Log file opened at: Nov 21, 2009 
9:00:14 PM:  Snogpitch: OK, finally got the groceries unpacked...
9:00:42 PM:     Beeman: Ok, I hope
9:02:17 PM: *** CurtisP1 (~Curtis_F_@NewNet-FD8A23C.neo.res.rr.com) has joined channel #c64friends
9:02:49 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy CurtisP1 
9:03:48 PM:     iViper: howdy Snog
9:03:54 PM:     iViper: what's for supper?
9:05:08 PM:         al: golan hasn't been around much lately
9:05:23 PM:         al: busy with his new company
9:05:26 PM:         al: http://home.comcast.net/~xtempore/golan.jpg
9:07:19 PM:  Snogpitch: Spinach tortelini :9
9:08:09 PM:  Snogpitch: filled with cheeze
9:08:16 PM: *** gsteemso (~gsteemso@NewNet-7ADCE06C.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends
9:08:22 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy gsteemso 
9:08:36 PM:   gsteemso: yo :εΒ)
9:09:38 PM:  Snogpitch: I think it's been close to 20 years since I had spinach tortelini last
9:11:09 PM:   gsteemso: as a lifelong pasta fanatic (not to say pastafarian), I humbly suggest that be rectified ASAP
9:11:12 PM:       Mech: hehe nice al
9:11:13 PM:  Snogpitch: I had that at the Spaghetti Warehouse down at the riverfront of Cincy.... Paul Brown Stadium is now siting on that spot
9:11:59 PM:             Snogpitch is eatting the above mentioned tortelini now
9:13:03 PM:         al: making me hungry
9:13:08 PM:  Snogpitch: kind of a late dinner, but I went to the store after getting off work
9:13:39 PM:       Mech: making me hungry too
9:14:01 PM:  Snogpitch: OK, won't tell you about what's in plan for thanksgiving, then
9:14:17 PM:             Mech 's stomache grumbles
9:15:16 PM:     iViper: new company?  His site says he's been at it since 1990
9:15:54 PM:     iViper: that sounds yummy Snog
9:15:57 PM:         al: that was a joke, not the same golan
9:16:05 PM:       Mech: hehe
9:16:07 PM:     iViper: oh ok
9:16:12 PM:     iViper: got me
9:16:33 PM:     iViper:  :p   good one
9:16:38 PM:         al: sorry  :)
9:18:20 PM:     iViper: yeah I'm getting hungry too... just waiting for a pork roast shoulder to come out of the slow cooker
9:18:30 PM:             gsteemso is eating pizza
9:18:37 PM:   gsteemso: stuffed crust, no less
9:18:38 PM:       Mech: aww im so hungry ;/
9:19:11 PM:     iViper: Canadian style... Maple syrup, Dijon mustard and brown sugar glaze.
9:19:23 PM:         al: bowl of frosted flakes
9:19:31 PM:  Snogpitch: I was looking at the pork tenderloin tonight, it's only $1.79 a pound tonight
9:19:45 PM:     iViper: they're GreAT!!!
9:19:50 PM:         al: they'er grrrrrrrate
9:20:37 PM:  Snogpitch: that almost talked me out of what I went there for....
9:23:20 PM:     iViper: porc tenderloin is always a good buy, if you get those humongus ones, as they can be cut up into 4 sections yeilding a couple of roasts, some boneless pork chops, juicy pork kaboobs and maybe a stir fry or two.
9:24:13 PM:   gsteemso: "kaboobs"?
9:24:16 PM:     iViper: not to mention a  soup
9:24:32 PM:         al: gee iViper you eat good. can I come live with you?
9:24:42 PM:             gsteemso has heard of long pork but that is truly disturbing :εΒ)
9:24:43 PM:  Snogpitch: I like grilling pork tenderloin chops
9:24:45 PM:       Mech: hey i wqas gonna ask that!
9:24:47 PM:     iViper: well if you take two porc roasts and place them on a stick, they kinda resemble kaboobs
9:25:08 PM:  Snogpitch: cut a thick one, and butterfly it
9:25:21 PM:         al: kaboobs  i like anhythong with boobs in it
9:25:36 PM:     iViper: yes, always a good way to make it look bigger than life
9:26:25 PM:             gsteemso is laughing too hard to type. "anythong?"
9:26:27 PM:     iViper: indoor grilling is good too, but not as good as on a real grill
9:27:37 PM:     iViper: isn't thong chineese for pork?
9:27:55 PM:       Mech: no thats dog ;)
9:27:58 PM:       Mech: lol
9:28:05 PM:     iViper:  '< 
9:29:24 PM:  Snogpitch: you're thinking Korean
9:31:11 PM:  Snogpitch: did babelfish get bought by Yahoo?
9:32:00 PM:     iViper: hmmm... I've tried all the oriental languages on bablfish's site and they all say thong is thong
9:32:47 PM:     iViper: now if I try the french translation, it comes back as somethong one wears between two cheeks
9:33:16 PM:         al: that's rich
9:33:31 PM:         al: mis-spelling somethong
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9:36:12 PM:       Fade: happy groundhog day.
9:36:56 PM:         al: happy groundthong day
9:39:23 PM:     iViper: ok some thong is better?
9:39:27 PM:  Snogpitch: The altavista site keeps redirecting me to yahoo
9:40:31 PM:     iViper: I've been getting bablefish on Yahoo for some time
9:40:54 PM:       Fade: google's language tools are superior to bablefish for years.
9:41:03 PM:  Snogpitch: when did that happen?
9:41:09 PM:       Fade: a million
9:41:19 PM:     iViper: never notice
9:42:31 PM:       Fade: I noticed yesterday reading a blog post on lisp in russian that google appears to be augmenting it's machine xlations now by allowing the human readers to annotate them with improvements.
9:42:59 PM:       Fade: which is an excellent idea stolen from the spam industry.
9:43:00 PM:       Fade: :)
9:53:57 PM:     iViper: oh man that pork was good.  now I have the hicups,  I pigged out too fast.
9:55:35 PM:     iViper: it seems everything these days has some kind of augmentation to it.
9:55:51 PM:     iViper: hard to tell what's real
9:57:08 PM:     iViper: be nice if the language translators would implement a grammer too
9:57:22 PM:     iViper: grammer checking
10:08:53 PM: *** lordronin (~lordronin@7A1E55C2.68A28F0F.E153056D.IP) has joined channel #c64friends
10:08:58 PM:  lordronin: Hoi Gang
10:09:24 PM:  lordronin: Lamer question for thenight, anyone have an idea on how to make a .D64 like thing from Geos?
10:12:17 PM:  Snogpitch: geobeap
10:12:30 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy lordronin 
10:13:04 PM:  Snogpitch: http://www.zimmers.net/geos/geobeap.html
10:13:39 PM:  Snogpitch: Some folks have flakey issues with it...I've used it a few times
10:13:51 PM:  Snogpitch: I use it mostly for d81s
10:13:57 PM:  lordronin: Hoi Snogpitch
10:14:38 PM:  lordronin: TY, I'll be grabbing it in a moment
10:14:57 PM:  lordronin: v1 I know is a problem. v2 I had in the past, we  know where it is now.
10:15:11 PM:  Snogpitch: Not sure if there are any others for geos
10:15:34 PM:  lordronin: Tried the .D64it, puzip and even the 64-pc exchange from loadstar. On an uninstalled Geos64 disk. Reverted copy fails toboot.
10:15:42 PM:  Snogpitch: Bruce Thomas might be one of the persons to ask about it
10:16:07 PM:  lordronin: Thinking about a 4 pack or wraptor v3 the entire disk side. Want to preserve a copy for thelibrary
10:16:27 PM:  Snogpitch: I've done zipcode, it works with the geos disks
10:16:28 PM:  lordronin: Thanks, hadn't thought of him and I was using his GeoPub tutorial today.
10:17:09 PM:  lordronin: OK I have the 4 and 6 pack versions laying about. Hsave thattried on Tuesday for that master disk. As that is the lesson day for a member.
10:18:57 PM:  Snogpitch: back when I was a sub-op of the local BBS, we had several geos programs on the board, they were all zipcode files.  They worked fine
10:20:48 PM:  Snogpitch: They were the 4, not the 6
10:21:28 PM:  Snogpitch: back in the day, took 20 minutes to download a single side :/
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10:21:37 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy PinaBarista 
10:21:43 PM:             PinaBarista peers in, waves :)
10:21:49 PM:   CurtisP1: zipcode is a disk image so it would work well
10:23:19 PM:  lordronin: Hoi Pina
10:23:43 PM:  lordronin: For single files or a bucnh of them together. Been using GeoZip.
10:23:59 PM: PinaBarist: !ninordrol
10:24:26 PM:             PinaBarista frowns, adjusts the controls on his monitor
10:24:27 PM:  lordronin: Thought that it wiuld be a snap to copy with D64it the front side of disk 1 un installed from the Geos Box. So far no attempt has worked. Oh Snogpitch thanks again, just grabbed that file
10:24:30 PM: PinaBarist: lordronin!
10:24:33 PM: PinaBarist: there, that's better.
10:25:14 PM:             Hellion_1 yawns and grabs a drink.
10:25:16 PM:  lordronin: I remember on my bosard int he 90s. One guy would lzh his filed and then make them into a 4 pack Zip
10:25:25 PM:             lordronin sadly sober
10:25:46 PM:  Hellion_1: Nothing wrong with sober..
10:26:52 PM: PinaBarist: no, there's not
10:26:56 PM:  lordronin: But it isn't mynormal state. Why I can actually see the world now. What a scasry sight
10:27:08 PM: PinaBarist: i hate hangovers, so I just avoid the problem entirely :)
10:27:12 PM:  Hellion_1: Heh
10:27:24 PM:  lordronin: me too, I never get sober enought o have one {G}
10:27:34 PM:             PinaBarista chuckles at LR
10:29:58 PM:     pAth0s: so what exactly are you wanting to do with the geos boot disk? 
10:30:14 PM: PinaBarist: pAth0s!
10:30:17 PM:     pAth0s: sup
10:30:19 PM:             PinaBarista pokes
10:30:35 PM: PinaBarist: oh...
10:30:36 PM: PinaBarist: this 'n that
10:30:42 PM: PinaBarist: tinkering with bbs's
10:31:07 PM:  lordronin: pAth0s wanting to preserve the uninstalled copy for the groups library. Busted  open one of my still sealed Geos 64 boxes to try this oneout.
10:31:36 PM:             PinaBarista puts in in concrete and buries it in the Atlantic ocean
10:32:00 PM: PinaBarist: there, presoived
10:32:04 PM:   gsteemso: sounds like it would achieve suboptimal results, that
10:32:10 PM:     pAth0s: oh.. well, you can now dl the full blown geos 2.0 in .d64 or .d81 directly from cmd/click here software..
10:32:14 PM:     pAth0s: www.cmdrkey.com
10:32:21 PM: PinaBarist: yeah pretty much
10:32:22 PM:  lordronin: ok tis in the atlantic. Not in the pacific. I have a spot reserved for mr there.
10:32:57 PM: PinaBarist: sleep with the fishes, eh?
10:33:24 PM:  lordronin: You can, though it is crippled a bit. However if youuse maverick the suppliment things, like GeoPub will work with that copy. Have members doing that at the moment. Have a member that got a "copy" of wheel and had to use GeoBuster v4 but he can now work in wheels
10:33:35 PM:  lordronin: a dish for happy fish
10:34:46 PM:     pAth0s: yeah.. the geos parameters in maverick even work on disk images in vice too
10:37:28 PM:     pAth0s: I think the geopub disk as well as a few other of the berkley geos apps get keyed to the geos OS when they're ran for the first time.. so if geopub has been run previously, that's why they dont work on other geos installs, including the one from cmdrkey, since it's expecting a certain serial number and it doesn't match
10:38:28 PM:    ShadowM: It's magic. Black magic.
10:38:40 PM:     pAth0s: so it's not exactly the geos os's fault, more like the apps' fault
10:38:55 PM:  lordronin: Yuppers, that is what I guessed with fighting with them. GeoWrite and Geomerge are  keyed on the installation.
10:39:01 PM:     pAth0s: yep
10:39:26 PM:  lordronin: Gives my member something to battle with. Now if the internal 71 was working on my128D. Be an easier task. 
10:39:44 PM:     pAth0s: you can make d64's of them and run maverick inside of vice and use the geos parameters on the d64 to wipe the key data
10:42:30 PM:     pAth0s: I think I have revirgin'd geopub and a few other apps in a zip somewhere.. you want em?
10:43:25 PM:  lordronin: Haven't made D64s of the apps yet. Well I did redo the GeoPub one that came to me. A working demo of Todd's new sytem.
10:43:37 PM:  lordronin: Sure I can use them for my members. 
10:44:35 PM:     pAth0s: font pack plus, geocalc128, geochart, geofile128, geoprogrammer, geopublish (3 sides), geospell 64 and 128 and writeutil 128 and 64
10:45:02 PM: PinaBarist: geoDeath
10:45:02 PM:     pAth0s: k.. sec
10:45:44 PM:     pAth0s: your dcc work?
10:46:22 PM:  lordronin: it may, I've never usded it before. Got it set for both and it says waiting on "GEOS.zip from you
10:46:42 PM:     pAth0s: sec
10:47:45 PM:     pAth0s: lemme know if you have any probs with em
10:49:35 PM:  lordronin: well a mess of screens popped up. Then it reads for me on the Xchat uploads and downloads "Failed" have a msg on the caht screen here that "(err=Connection refused)."
10:49:48 PM:     pAth0s: oh, see privmsg
10:50:16 PM:     pAth0s: cancel the dcc stuff
10:52:42 PM:  lordronin: did and thank you
10:52:58 PM:     pAth0s: yup yup
10:53:45 PM:     pAth0s: wheels 128 is nice.. it'd be nicer if I had a cmd HD, but it's still nice even just with a few 1581's
10:54:37 PM:     pAth0s: I can't give that one away yet, since it's my own legit bought copy :)
10:55:17 PM:     pAth0s: not that maurice would ever get off his lazy *** to sue anyone but ehh
10:56:10 PM:     iViper: mr sue someone?  wouldn't that be ironic?
10:56:19 PM:     pAth0s: very
10:57:04 PM: *** Signoff: CurtisP1 (Quit: Leaving.)
10:57:09 PM:  lordronin: Use Wheels 128 daily, with the HD, Fd and the SCPU
10:57:17 PM:     pAth0s: nice
10:57:55 PM:  lordronin: will not confirm or deny knowing where there are wheels 64 & 128 to be had andnot pay maurice a farthing
10:58:22 PM:     pAth0s: yeah, I'm sure it's been warezed by now
10:59:23 PM:  lordronin: nowwould anyone be that disturbed at maurice and do sucha thing to him?
11:00:08 PM:     pAth0s: I almost did a year or 2 ago :) I was this close > < to saying **** it and spreading my copy
11:01:03 PM:  lordronin: Well as January marks year #4 for   my HD data that was going to take just a few days. If I knew how, I would have already
11:04:33 PM: PinaBarist: geez
11:05:45 PM:  lordronin: So I have ahrd feelings about maurice. At least I am honest that I have them, and a dull knife.
11:06:28 PM:  lordronin: Ah time to alter reality for the next four  hours. Gamers just walked in. BCNU
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11:07:03 PM:     pAth0s: what really chapped my *** about maurice a couple years back when it just started to become clear than he was screwing everyone is that he claimed he didn't have time to do ****, but yet he was at all the C= expo's and stuff getting his picture taken all giggly like a little bitch
11:07:35 PM: *** Mode change "+b pAth0s!*@*" on #c64friends by Snogpitch
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11:08:03 PM:   [pAth0s]: how about you **** off with the launguage ****?
11:08:12 PM:   [pAth0s]: we're all adults here.. grow up
11:08:59 PM:   [pAth0s]: I used to be an op here too ya know..
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11:14:50 PM:  DragonFlu: lol
11:16:27 PM: *** CurtisP (~Curtis_Wo@NewNet-FD8A23C.neo.res.rr.com) has joined channel #c64friends
11:16:40 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy CurtisP 
11:17:00 PM:  Hellion_1: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!  :)
11:18:06 PM:    CurtisP: is he touching himself again?
11:18:16 PM:   Wildstar: M.R. is a complete ___________ thieving ____hole. Enough said. We get it.
11:18:34 PM:  Snogpitch: Finishing my glass of milk
11:18:50 PM:  Hellion_1: The man behind the curtain will kick you!
11:18:55 PM:             ShadowM yawns
11:19:03 PM:  Snogpitch: banana break and milk are such wonderful combinations
11:19:08 PM:  Hellion_1: :)
11:19:15 PM:  Snogpitch: lol, bread, not break...
11:19:37 PM:   Wildstar: Hellion, I know
11:22:35 PM:  Snogpitch: What's everyone planning for thanksgiving dinner?  anything besides turkey?
11:23:02 PM:  DragonFlu: the wife and I plan on sitting here watching movies and no doing a dang thing, lol
11:23:35 PM:  Snogpitch: that's an idea, my dvr is 85% full, I should start watching some of it
11:24:06 PM:   Wildstar: Snog, don't know.
11:24:39 PM:  Snogpitch: wow, a helicopter just flew over...
11:24:59 PM:  Hellion_1: Are helicopters rare in Ohio?
11:25:22 PM:  Snogpitch: I'm not in the general airspace of the airport
11:25:41 PM:  Snogpitch: That's farther south
11:25:43 PM:  Hellion_1: I have military choppers fly over about once every 3 months.
11:26:15 PM:  Hellion_1: Snog: The military wants your c-1.
11:26:17 PM:  Hellion_1: :)
11:26:30 PM:  Snogpitch: I know the hospital in town has a landing pad for helicopters, doubt they would fly over my neighborhood to get there tho
11:27:43 PM:  Snogpitch: Not sure if the National Guard Armory has helicopters going there
11:27:58 PM:  Snogpitch: They are south of the airport
11:28:40 PM:  Snogpitch: If it's a medical helicopter, I'll probably hear it again in about 15 minutes or so
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11:31:23 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy Antares51 
11:32:37 PM:  Snogpitch: I went to see 2012 yesterday, talk about a commercial for SONY
11:32:40 PM:  Antares51: Gobble, gobble!
11:33:04 PM:  Antares51: Howdy Egg Snog, sir.
11:33:20 PM:  Snogpitch: a couple more weeks for that nick change
11:34:27 PM:  Antares51: My Thanksgiving meal maybe hamburgers. We got 30 wild turkeys nearby!
11:34:54 PM:             Hellion_1 loves Wild Turkey. (In a bottle)
11:35:07 PM:  Antares51: Bravo!
11:35:12 PM: PinaBarist: turkeyburgers
11:35:16 PM: PinaBarist: hi Ant :)
11:35:24 PM:  Antares51: Pna!
11:35:31 PM:             PinaBarista salutes
11:35:32 PM: PinaBarist: 'sup!
11:36:01 PM:  Antares51: looking at my beeyouteeful 1541 drive.
11:36:19 PM: PinaBarist: ooo? paint job?
11:36:35 PM:  Antares51: Nope. Au naturale.
11:37:16 PM:  Antares51: She sits atop the 64HDD server.
11:38:08 PM:             PinaBarista gasps at a naked 1541
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11:39:12 PM:  Antares51: Made by  Americans for Americans. 
11:39:18 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy Schema 
11:39:18 PM:  Hellion_1: Hey Schema!!
11:39:48 PM:  Antares51: Evening Leif.
11:39:52 PM: PinaBarist: :)
11:42:05 PM:     Schema: wow, hi
11:45:46 PM: PinaBarist: how goes?
11:46:28 PM:     Schema: Insane, but surviving.  You?
11:48:22 PM: PinaBarist: oh, getting by.
11:49:51 PM:             _brain_ has a new project working....!
11:50:02 PM:    _brain_: boring one, though
11:50:27 PM:  Snogpitch: is it a paperweight?
11:50:44 PM:    _brain_: hehe, not heavy enough to hold down papers.
11:50:46 PM:             Snogpitch asks the first of 20 questions
11:51:32 PM:    _brain_: So, anything interesting in here to report?
11:51:55 PM:     Schema: No, we're waiting for you/ ;-)
11:52:21 PM:     Schema: any news on vic-midi, mascerade, etc?
11:52:29 PM:    _brain_: You all have low expectations, then.
11:52:44 PM:    _brain_: I sent you my work on VIC-MIDI... DId you see it?
11:53:06 PM:     Schema: nope!
11:53:15 PM:             Schema checks spam filter
11:53:21 PM:    _brain_: Well, let me know if you did not get it, and I will send it again.
11:54:04 PM:    _brain_: I'm still debating on MasC=uerade... It's very small right now, but there's been some requests to add RAM to it.
11:54:27 PM:    _brain_: My concern is how much RAM is needed.  adding more than 8kB drives the parts count (and board size) up.
11:54:50 PM:  Antares51: Hello Jim.
11:55:07 PM:    CurtisP: masc-uerade?
11:55:19 PM:    _brain_: Allows you to use C64 IO carts in the VIC-20
11:55:57 PM:    CurtisP: that's cool
11:56:15 PM:    CurtisP: i once saw an ISA card interfaced to a VIC-20
11:56:56 PM:  Antares51: Cool.
11:57:20 PM:     Schema: I'd leave it out - ram carts for the vic are ubiquitous.
11:57:42 PM:    CurtisP: http://members.lycos.co.uk/leeedavison/6502/vic20/isa/index.html
11:57:43 PM:     Schema: Just had an idea though - what if you just added a pass-thru slot on the top of the board?
11:58:08 PM:     Schema: sort of like the old ide64s had, but for the vic.
11:58:34 PM:     Schema: oh, and I didn't get your latest verwsion of the schematic, resend pls.
11:58:41 PM:    _brain_: I will.
11:58:53 PM:             VanessaE wanders back in
11:59:21 PM:    _brain_: sent
11:59:25 PM:  Antares51: Hello Vanessa.
11:59:43 PM:   VanessaE: hi all
11:59:44 PM:    _brain_: The board would still need to be extended quite a bit to clear the back of the case.
11:59:45 PM:     Schema: http://www.ide64.org/devel.html
11:59:46 PM:             Antares51 is building another computer.
11:59:50 PM:    _brain_: But, I'll see what I can do.
11:59:55 PM:    CurtisP: how do you handle differences in addressing?
12:00:04 AM:    _brain_: There are switches/jumpers on the board.
12:00:04 AM:     Schema: see v1.1, v2.1 as examples
12:01:18 AM:     Schema: _brain_, still don't have it.  Which address did you send it to?
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