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5:12:58 PM: #c64friends: Snogpitch dmackey-828 DragonFlu @C4_Expo @IanC user +Lord_Nightmare +LordNLptp Pell_1530 mechlt1 @ShadowM @{Moloch} Wildstar geneb +groepaz dmackey828 mech Steve[cug] masterhit @golan Demonger_-X- PhotoJim jackleg questor @_Six_ lowlevel @Dragos @Pelleas _brain_ lhz Info-Seeker 
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5:12:58 PM: *** Channel Mode is +sntrc 
5:12:58 PM: *** Channel created at May 6, 2007 5:35:35 PM
5:17:14 PM: *** Signoff: {Moloch} (Quit: Wildstarism: <Wildstar> So, I'm wrong. | <Everyone Else> We know!)
5:38:47 PM: Info-Seeke: man, someone got the mmc replay + rrnet in a nice custom case for 90 bux
5:38:50 PM: Info-Seeke: sweet deal
5:38:52 PM: Info-Seeke: wish I had the csh
5:38:54 PM: Info-Seeke: cash
5:44:08 PM: dmackey-82: BASTARDS!!!
5:44:15 PM: dmackey-82: I forgot all about that auction.
5:44:20 PM: dmackey-82: Ahhhhhh Wel...
5:47:07 PM:       user: more fun to mod your own case anyway.
5:47:26 PM: dmackey-82: Yeah true.
5:47:55 PM: dmackey-82: Gotta sell some of my RC Racing gear to buy me one of those Restro-Replay w/RR-net adapter..
5:49:03 PM:       user: yeah, they fit real nice in a cartridge case.
5:49:23 PM:       user: in fact, the most fun i had with mine was putting it together.
5:49:25 PM: *** user is now known as tone007
5:51:26 PM: dmackey-82: I really want to run a webserver from a C= JUST to say I did it once..
5:52:44 PM: Info-Seeke: its funny you say that
5:52:51 PM: Info-Seeke: that is  my tag on the lemon forum
5:53:00 PM: Info-Seeke: "gimme a nic for the 64 and I'll host it there..."
5:53:04 PM: dmackey-82: Hehe, Have not seen your tag.
5:53:33 PM: dmackey-82: There is one site that is doing that, forget which one..
5:53:49 PM: Info-Seeke: c64web I think
5:54:03 PM: Info-Seeke: my woman just beat ratcjet and clank on the ps3
5:54:51 PM: dmackey-82: Played that on my PSP BEFORE I got my laptop..
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6:06:44 PM: Info-Seeke: hey wiz
6:06:50 PM:   WizardNJ: HI
6:07:08 PM: Info-Seeke: was that u that won the retro replay + rr net?
6:07:14 PM: Info-Seeke: 90 bux... nice deal
6:07:15 PM:   WizardNJ: no
6:07:22 PM:   WizardNJ: i dont need a secon done
6:07:28 PM:   WizardNJ: err second 
6:13:49 PM: *** dunric (Javauser@NewNet-2ABF3713.tc.ph.cox.net) has joined channel #c64friends
6:13:51 PM:     dunric: hey all
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6:18:08 PM:     dunric: hey dragonflu
6:18:46 PM:  DragonFlu: 'lo
6:18:54 PM:     dunric: how goes C4 expo?
6:24:20 PM:    C4_Expo: folks are still setting up
6:24:50 PM:    C4_Expo: check the cam?
6:25:18 PM:  DragonFlu: lemmie know if I need to add a clone allow
6:25:31 PM:    C4_Expo: ya, it will probably be needed...
6:27:33 PM:    C4_Expo: moreso tommorrow than today
6:28:04 PM:  DragonFlu: I'
6:28:06 PM:  DragonFlu: I
6:28:08 PM:  DragonFlu: bah
6:28:21 PM:  DragonFlu: ill be at work tomorrow, so contact reznic if im not here
6:28:49 PM:    C4_Expo: well, if you want to set it up that will be ok for today... 
6:29:00 PM:  DragonFlu: just need to know what ip
6:29:02 PM:    C4_Expo: show goes thru Sunday afternoon 
6:29:29 PM:  DragonFlu: crap rez is working all day tomorrow too
6:29:30 PM:  DragonFlu: hehe
6:29:48 PM:  DragonFlu: is it the ip you are on now?
6:30:06 PM:    C4_Expo: ya, I am at the hotel now
6:30:22 PM:    C4_Expo: Snogpitch is the same, my laptop in the room
6:30:30 PM:  DragonFlu: k
6:30:40 PM:  DragonFlu: ill just add that ip to the clone allow till after sunday night
6:30:58 PM:    C4_Expo: <--- this is in the expo room
6:31:03 PM:     dunric: how's the expo? any good deals on C= equipment?
6:31:42 PM:    C4_Expo: for now it is just CCCC stuff, software
6:31:52 PM:     dunric: ah ok
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6:35:24 PM: Romppainen: *poof*
6:35:26 PM:     dunric: hey romp
6:35:34 PM: Romppainen: ola dunric
6:35:39 PM:     dunric: finland?
6:35:43 PM: Romppainen: ya :)
6:35:45 PM:     dunric: nice
6:35:46 PM:  DragonFlu: Snog, you're all set
6:36:20 PM: Romppainen: just finished watching a movie but didn't felt sleepy so i decided to peep for a while
6:36:29 PM:     dunric: ah ok
6:36:45 PM:    C4_Expo: oh great!  thanks :)
6:37:21 PM:     dunric: so what do they have at the expo? any SX-64 or Plus/4 machines?
6:37:30 PM: Romppainen: does anyone around know any place from where i could find some assorted info about parallel kernals
6:37:51 PM:    C4_Expo: I think there is one SX
6:37:57 PM:     dunric: sweet
6:38:02 PM:     dunric: those are great little machines
6:38:08 PM: Romppainen: agreed
6:38:09 PM:    tone007: sounds like dunric is in the market for an SX64.
6:38:24 PM:     dunric: not really...I have all the C= equipment I'll ever need
6:38:41 PM:    tone007: without an SX64, that's just a lie.
6:38:46 PM: Romppainen: lol
6:38:48 PM:     dunric: my disk collection was accumulated between 1985 and 2008
6:39:18 PM:     dunric: and I tested some of those games on an in-store SX-64...they worked fine
6:39:39 PM:    tone007: i'm up to 3 SX-64s, at least one has to go.
6:39:57 PM:     dunric: can you attach an external monitor to an SX-64?
6:40:00 PM: Romppainen: i have one and thats enough for now
6:40:05 PM: Romppainen: yes you can dunric
6:40:09 PM:     dunric: nice
6:40:33 PM: Romppainen: all ports are there except datassette one
6:40:55 PM:     dunric: The C128 always had that neat two monitors trick...using 40 columns for one monitor and 80 columns for the other...Cleve Blakemore coded Dark Fortress in January 1987 (Ahoy! magazine) that uses such a feat
6:40:58 PM: dmackey-82: Next year I am getting an SX-64 no matter what I have to do to get it. Want one in great shape though...
6:42:58 PM: Romppainen: those beasts seem to be lotta cheaper at us than in europe
6:43:30 PM:     dunric: I always envisioned the SX-64 as a "field" computer, capable of going anywhere...even in the army in Iraq
6:44:01 PM: Romppainen: i was thinking about importing one from states first but decided to buy one from local seller although it cost me lotta more
6:44:03 PM:     dunric: same with a Kaypro II
6:44:18 PM: Romppainen: do i smell some sarcasm here? ;D
6:44:47 PM:     dunric: Commodoring while in a humvee...the only way to soldier!
6:44:54 PM: Romppainen: ****...
6:45:08 PM:     dunric: yes, I'm joking
6:45:35 PM: Romppainen: i know man, the thread about the matter just came back to haunt me
6:46:01 PM:     dunric: Iraq is a wasteland right now...just awful conditions
6:46:40 PM:     dunric: hardly any electricity...like in Chihuahua, Mexico
6:46:48 PM: Romppainen: they should just bomb it flat and make it a huge parking area
6:46:58 PM:     dunric: the colonials of juarez
6:47:11 PM:     dunric: I think I spelled that right
6:47:20 PM:     dunric: 10 miles south of El Paso, TX
6:47:57 PM:     dunric: nah, Iraq really needs to be rebuilt...there are tons of archeological sites there that need to be preserved for future generations
6:49:05 PM: dmackey-82: Make it a nice big AIRPORT or a place to break land speed records... BOMB IT FLAT!!!
6:49:23 PM:     dunric: I don't agree...Iraq is worth saving
6:49:42 PM:     dunric: Iraq was once the cradle of civilization
6:49:56 PM: Romppainen: it is indeed worth of saving but i doubt there will ever be peace around there
6:50:14 PM:     dunric: same with the on going conflicts between Palestine and Israel
6:50:30 PM:     dunric: a no win situation on either side
6:50:41 PM: Romppainen: there is always some rughead lurking in the corners planning to blow himself and few dozen innocent civilians to smithereens
6:50:54 PM: Romppainen: they just can't get it cleaned
6:51:11 PM:     dunric: that's sad...
6:51:23 PM:     dunric: why would anyone ever consider such a thing?
6:51:31 PM: Romppainen: ...
6:51:56 PM:     dunric: brb
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6:52:21 PM: Romppainen: its just that they can't force peace nor try to control the area forever
6:52:42 PM: Romppainen: those problems are too deep inside people
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6:52:55 PM:     dunric: back
6:53:03 PM: Romppainen: wb
6:53:16 PM:     dunric: sometimes I have to reset my browser due to java script going slow
6:54:03 PM: Romppainen: "your HD is almost full", crap
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6:54:29 PM: Romppainen: gotta move some stuff into external
6:54:37 PM:    C4_Expo: delete windows directory, that should help
6:54:48 PM: Romppainen: very nice, any other good ideas?
6:55:00 PM:     dunric: wow
6:55:01 PM:     dunric: really?
6:55:30 PM: Romppainen: what if i happen to be linux user :)
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6:56:43 PM: Romppainen: hello al
6:56:54 PM:     dunric: hey al
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6:58:40 PM:     dunric: wb tone
6:58:43 PM:    tone007: rotten macintosh
6:58:55 PM:    tone007: that's it, it's outta here!
6:58:57 PM:     dunric: what'd it do?
6:59:02 PM:    tone007: froze
6:59:04 PM:     dunric: hmm
6:59:14 PM:         al: Howdy ppl. :)
6:59:21 PM:     dunric: al, are you at the expo?
6:59:29 PM:         al: I wish
7:00:25 PM:         al: Is there a live feed at the expo this year?
7:00:37 PM:     dunric: dunno
7:00:41 PM:    tone007: via yahoo mesenger
7:00:43 PM:    tone007: cbmusers
7:01:48 PM:         al: uggg
7:01:48 PM:     dunric: hmmm...my yahoo messenger doesn't work...is there another way?
7:01:57 PM:         al: prolly have to join something
7:02:44 PM:    tone007: im sure someone could capture and relay the video via a more anonymous service
7:03:02 PM:    tone007: i doubt anyone cares enough to do tht.
7:04:09 PM: Romppainen: too bad all those happenings are always so damn far away
7:04:24 PM:   Wildstar: hello tone
7:04:44 PM:   Wildstar: hello jackleg...
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7:04:51 PM:    tone007: i thought europe had a big C= scene.
7:05:35 PM:   Wildstar: mostly Germany / NL area and I think UK
7:05:44 PM:     dunric: hey curtis
7:05:51 PM: Romppainen: well, imo there's not much of meetings here, just assembly and some semi-private parties by oetoekaet and other goof groups
7:06:04 PM:   Wildstar: Romp's from Suomi
7:06:11 PM: Romppainen: and i'm not literally into the scene so i don't probably even know about those
7:06:34 PM:     dunric: hmmm...no C= user groups in Finland or Norway?
7:07:08 PM: Romppainen: groups = yes, meetings and such = not much
7:07:10 PM:   Wildstar: There is gome demo groups up there not sure about "user's groups"
7:07:33 PM: Romppainen: users aren't such organized around here
7:08:25 PM: Romppainen: i don't know personally a single commodorian in the city i live
7:08:28 PM:   Wildstar: Most of the finnish and swedish and norwegian C= users just likes to make demos and stuff
7:08:39 PM:   Wildstar: At least from those I know of
7:08:50 PM: Romppainen: you forgot to mention getting drunk :)
7:09:15 PM:   Wildstar: yes, that is the axiom of demo coding
7:09:22 PM: Romppainen: lmao
7:09:22 PM:   Wildstar: :D
7:09:33 PM:     dunric: hehe
7:10:00 PM:   Wildstar: In other words, it goes without saying.
7:10:05 PM:     dunric: My syrup of choice was coca-cola when I was coding...also, microwaveable french fries with ketchup
7:10:27 PM: Romppainen: lamer :)
7:10:43 PM:     dunric: french fries are good
7:10:59 PM:   Wildstar: Mountain Dew or Highly Caffeinated (sp?) non-cola or coffee drinks
7:11:03 PM:     dunric: McDonalds used to have the best french fries on the fast food market...no so anymore
7:11:13 PM: Romppainen: but in microwave!?!
7:11:20 PM:     dunric: yeah, I drank a lot of mountain dew in my youth
7:11:26 PM:    tone007: mcdonalds hasn't changed.
7:11:36 PM:    tone007: burger king got an interesting recipe though
7:11:37 PM:     dunric: yeah, they cooked in individual slots in a cardboard holder, 20 or so per pack
7:11:41 PM:   Wildstar: Your youth? You're not old dunric
7:11:48 PM:     dunric: right, I know
7:11:58 PM: Romppainen: excuse me, i have to go to throw up
7:12:20 PM:   Wildstar: lol
7:13:36 PM:     dunric: hehe
7:13:55 PM:     dunric: well, I feel old...people in college today don't know what a Commodore 64 is...some have heard of NES, some others not
7:14:16 PM: Info-Seeke: yea
7:14:23 PM:     dunric: more were into the SNES when it first came out, or the original Playstation in 1995
7:14:33 PM: Info-Seeke: it is funny when I show people my commie 128 setup I am all proud of and they are like, whats that?
7:14:45 PM:     dunric: yup
7:15:19 PM:    tone007: i'm still spreading the word about the C64.
7:15:32 PM:    tone007: hundreds of people see my license plate every day.
7:15:41 PM: Info-Seeke: I heard you spread for anyone...\
7:15:44 PM:     dunric: what does it say
7:15:48 PM: Info-Seeke: whats yer plate say?
7:15:48 PM:    tone007: C64
7:15:58 PM:     dunric: C64? really?
7:16:04 PM:    tone007: yup.
7:16:05 PM: Info-Seeke: thats better than commie
7:16:09 PM:     dunric: yeah hehe
7:16:14 PM: Romppainen: hehe, most of my friends and relatives doesn't understand my commodore fondness either
7:16:15 PM: Info-Seeke: peope prolly try to picka  fight with ya over commie
7:16:43 PM:    tone007: http://68.165.120.234/temp/c64car.jpg
7:16:49 PM:     dunric: well, it did sell 20 or so million units...the C64 is well known
7:17:11 PM: Info-Seeke: I always liked the 128 better
7:17:16 PM:     dunric: very nice tone...
7:17:26 PM: Romppainen: yes they are dunric, but most people seem to just be blinded by new tech bling bling
7:17:45 PM:    tone007: 128 was technically a better machine
7:17:52 PM:    tone007: but most of the advances weren't used.
7:17:56 PM:     dunric: info: me too...I prefer my C128D to anything else..if not for the somewhat suspect C64 compatibility, I would never need a spare c64 unit
7:18:03 PM: Info-Seeke: I like the keyboard better on the 128
7:18:04 PM:     dunric: true
7:18:11 PM: Info-Seeke: the 64c was ok, but felt like a step back
7:18:14 PM: Info-Seeke: so I stuck with the 128
7:18:19 PM: Info-Seeke: never had a 128d till recently
7:18:24 PM: Info-Seeke: didn't even really know about them
7:18:32 PM: Romppainen: i wish i would have enough room to set up all my systems
7:18:40 PM: Info-Seeke: I got busted in 89 and wasn't allowed to have a computer for a few years :)
7:18:55 PM:     dunric: Commodore sold all manner of C128s and C128Ds between 1985 and 1989. The C128 and 128D totaled 4.5 million in sales
7:19:02 PM:     dunric: 4.5 million units, that is
7:19:18 PM:     dunric: info: what'd you do?
7:19:24 PM: Info-Seeke: like 9 of them went to me :)
7:19:25 PM:   Wildstar: Remember dunric, it is the people who were born and alive to make use of it. Basically, 99% of folks under age 25 knows little to nothing about C64.
7:19:30 PM: Info-Seeke: 4.5 million - 9
7:19:38 PM: Info-Seeke: hacking / phreaking / carding
7:19:41 PM:     dunric: wild: yeah
7:20:02 PM:     dunric: so the judge ruled you had to stay away from computers for 2 years?
7:20:36 PM: Info-Seeke: till I got off probation
7:20:40 PM:    tone007: FREE KEVIN
7:21:04 PM: Romppainen: i believe most young retro lovers have been introduced with c64 by their parents
7:21:06 PM: Info-Seeke: also had to see a shrink cuz they said I had a vendetta against the newcastle county police department
7:21:10 PM: Info-Seeke: stupid ****ing cops
7:21:21 PM: Romppainen: sheez :)
7:21:26 PM:   Wildstar: Basically, 25 and up are the folks to talk to on the subject. Remember, it is those folks who would have appreciation of the hw as it was their first computer - usually. Those younger like most everyone does not hold much respect to things before they are born.
7:21:40 PM: Info-Seeke: turns out 2 cops and a judge were dumb enough to give me their at&t calling card pin and got a 10k phone bill each
7:21:44 PM: Info-Seeke: then they said I targeted them
7:21:48 PM:    tone007: did you leave a gift wrapped cow heart pierced wth large nails on their doorstep?
7:22:01 PM: Info-Seeke: no, a 10k phone bill
7:22:11 PM: Info-Seeke: which looking back is pretty funny
7:22:17 PM: Info-Seeke: I hacked all local calling card $s
7:22:19 PM: Info-Seeke: #s
7:22:28 PM: Info-Seeke: so all the calls were initiated from over seas
7:22:35 PM: Info-Seeke: and the only local number on eery bill was mine
7:22:35 PM:     dunric: weird
7:22:47 PM: Info-Seeke: now a days that would take 5 mins to detect
7:22:54 PM: Info-Seeke: in the 80s they never put it together
7:23:07 PM: Romppainen: priceless XD
7:23:15 PM: Info-Seeke: I would get a call a few times a month from at&t asking if I knew who called me at such and such time on whatever daite
7:23:16 PM: Info-Seeke: date
7:23:19 PM: Info-Seeke: nope
7:23:23 PM: Info-Seeke: ok, thanks... :)
7:23:31 PM: Info-Seeke: funny *** ****
7:23:34 PM:   Wildstar: Could they still sue you, I-S?
7:23:44 PM: Info-Seeke: nah
7:23:52 PM: Info-Seeke: this was 20 years ago
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7:23:55 PM: Info-Seeke: in the 80s
7:24:14 PM: Info-Seeke: I do feel bad about the people who's credit rating I ****ed up though
7:24:15 PM:   Wildstar: Statutes of Limitations can be rewritten and be effective so be cautious
7:24:27 PM: Info-Seeke: I never understood how much that hurt them until the past couple of years
7:24:49 PM: Info-Seeke: yea, I'll start worryign bout that right now, thanks wildstar
7:24:55 PM: Info-Seeke: get the **** out of here
7:25:22 PM:   Wildstar: Not from me, you shouldn't worry. 
7:26:10 PM: Info-Seeke: when I destroy the existing power structing in the world, I am going to apologize to those people in my speech
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7:26:33 PM:    tone007: time is running out for that.
7:26:49 PM: *** Signoff: al (Ping timeout)
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7:28:29 PM: Info-Seeke: y u think time is running out?
7:28:32 PM:   Wildstar: Existing grids in US can't be shutdown without being at the sites. Especially a grid as archaic and adhoc as it is. Since certain movies, they're keeping it that way.
7:28:54 PM:   Wildstar: At least not from a single point.
7:28:56 PM: Info-Seeke: not the power companies / electrical system
7:29:06 PM: Info-Seeke: the scumbags in the shadow government that rule the world
7:29:11 PM: Info-Seeke: and keep mankind enslaved
7:29:28 PM:   Wildstar: Ok. 
7:29:45 PM:   Wildstar: Oh, that means U.S.A.
7:29:49 PM:             Info-Seeker straps a 128 to his *** and runs in to a crowded building!
7:29:57 PM: Info-Seeke: the usa doesn't control the world
7:29:58 PM: Romppainen: i remember those times when those anti piracy wars were like witchhunt, dunno how much people got busted in finland but the acting was quite brutal and there was huge rewards for revealing pirates
7:30:08 PM: Info-Seeke: our government is just the strong arm
7:30:09 PM:   Wildstar: It bought every country
7:30:27 PM:   Wildstar: USA is CIA / Interpol
7:30:29 PM: Info-Seeke: yer talking out yer *** again
7:30:52 PM: Info-Seeke: the usa is the hammer of the invisible arm
7:31:00 PM: Romppainen: some fellas behing one of the largest software stores in finland kept the loudest noise, they made false contact to trade ads at local computer magazines and such
7:31:06 PM: Info-Seeke: it crushes freedom with each broad stroke
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7:31:14 PM:     dunric: back
7:31:29 PM: Romppainen: wb
7:31:41 PM:     dunric: quick question: were the 1541s the only Commodore drives that suffered from alignment issues?
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7:31:59 PM:     dunric: hey curtis
7:32:21 PM:   Wildstar: We have the power of God um - enough nukes to kill Earth 12 times over, Bioweapons and Chemical weapons that the world has never seen that can kill millions to 100s of Millions  in one single hour in a optimal deployment. 
7:32:23 PM:     dunric: I've owned my Commodore 128D since Oct. 1993 and have never had to align the drive
7:32:24 PM: Romppainen: why wouldn't other do, imo all of them can get misalign
7:32:55 PM:     dunric: wildstar: this is not a pleasant topic
7:32:56 PM: Romppainen: haven't had ever any problems with any of my drives tho
7:33:01 PM:     dunric: yeah
7:33:02 PM:   Wildstar: That was 20-30 years ago.
7:33:03 PM:    CurtisP: hey
7:33:49 PM:   Wildstar: Ok, we can proceed with a more pleasant topic
7:33:52 PM:     dunric: let's stick to Commodore, plz...I can't stand politics :)
7:34:07 PM:    tone007: but i want to play global thermonuclear war!
7:34:21 PM:     dunric: war games from 1984 was a weird sci-fi movie
7:34:35 PM: Romppainen: boot infocom's bureaucracy
7:34:36 PM:   Wildstar: global thermo-nuclear, bio and Chemical War.
7:34:46 PM:     dunric: wildstar: plz top
7:34:50 PM:     dunric: stop*
7:35:06 PM:   Wildstar: A new C= game to be made.... maybe
7:35:08 PM:    tone007: i've got wargames on RCA selectavision disk.
7:35:14 PM:     dunric: argh...
7:35:27 PM:    tone007: or whatever they called their short-lived video disks.
7:35:38 PM:   Wildstar: laserdisc?
7:35:40 PM:     dunric: laser discs
7:35:43 PM:    tone007: nope
7:35:51 PM:    tone007: not optical.
7:36:00 PM:    tone007: im pretty sure it was called selectavision.
7:36:06 PM: Romppainen: vhd
7:36:14 PM:   Wildstar: Oh. ok.... Hmmmm
7:36:46 PM:     dunric: how many different color schemes were used in the C64? from model to model? some function keys were brown, some gray.
7:36:58 PM: Romppainen: or chd
7:36:59 PM: Romppainen: http://www.lddb.com/ced/01902/CS11E--V105610/WarGames-%5BRCA%5D-(1983)
7:37:05 PM:    tone007: http://cgi.ebay.com/RCA-Selectavision-Video-Disc-Player-with-movies_W0QQitemZ150346555239
7:37:16 PM:   Wildstar: CEDs (Selectavision)
7:37:29 PM:   Wildstar: Capacitance Electronic Disc
7:37:40 PM:    tone007: yup.
7:37:44 PM:    tone007: that's the one i've got.
7:38:08 PM: Romppainen: nice one, i collect laserdiscs but don't have any of those nor player for them
7:38:23 PM:    tone007: no player here either. ha
7:38:31 PM:    tone007: couldnt leave it at the thrift store though.
7:38:35 PM:   Wildstar: Also "videodisc" not laserdisc
7:39:11 PM:    tone007: figured it was worth $1.
7:39:43 PM: Romppainen: i know nothing about ced markets but some LD titles can fetch pretty high prices
7:39:56 PM: Romppainen: there's plenty of collectable releases around
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7:43:20 PM: Romppainen: one of my friends had few dozen ced's for sale few months ago but i couldn't find the player so had to ditch the offer
7:43:40 PM:    tone007: local guy was selling a whole setup for $200 or so
7:43:46 PM:    tone007: probably shouldve grabbed it.
7:44:07 PM: Romppainen: dunno, only if you would have really some use for it
7:44:31 PM: Romppainen: amount of releases in that format is still so marginal compared to laserdiscs
7:44:37 PM:    tone007: sure, if it worked i'd watch them.
7:44:43 PM:    tone007: oh, he had like 100 disks, too.
7:44:53 PM: Romppainen: then that would've been a bargain
7:44:55 PM:    tone007: i really shouldve grabbed it. ha
7:45:37 PM: Romppainen: i should find some decent and reliable betamax vcr, only one of my 5 units is working anymore
7:46:07 PM:    tone007: betamax is the only one i never cared to get.
7:46:16 PM:    tone007: laserdisc and selectavision seem cool
7:46:34 PM:    tone007: and VHS is ubiquitous
7:46:46 PM: Romppainen: LDs are cool and you can get most of usual titles for pennies
7:47:06 PM:    tone007: and they don't wear out the more you watch them
7:47:19 PM: Romppainen: what comes to VHS and betamax... well, i have ~2500 original tapes...
7:48:49 PM: Romppainen: i'm a relic in all aspects i suppose
7:49:25 PM:    tone007: i've been piling up LPs.
7:49:34 PM:    tone007: hard to find stuff i want though.
7:49:48 PM: Romppainen: same here
7:50:20 PM: Romppainen: and somehow i don't enjoy about the hunting so much anymore, just get frustrated
7:50:57 PM:    tone007: not having anything in particular to look for helps, i think.
7:51:14 PM:    tone007: i generally go into a pile of old records expecting nothing but crap
7:51:25 PM:    tone007: so if i come out with one or two decent ones it's a nice surprise.
7:52:05 PM: Romppainen: local flea markets have been constant disappointments for few years, all you can find from there is old rugs and pirate porn dvds
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7:52:33 PM: Romppainen: haven't made any notable findings from second hand shops for along time, got all my recent stuff straight from other collectors
7:52:37 PM:    tone007: i found like 10 human league albums at the flea market just over the state line in west virginia. that was a good day.
7:53:08 PM: Romppainen: i hunt mostly for movies and old computer stuff but thats hopeless
7:53:08 PM:     dunric: are they like Pink Floyd?
7:53:15 PM:    tone007: human league? nah.
7:53:18 PM: Romppainen: huh? XD
7:53:20 PM:    tone007: synthpop
7:53:42 PM:     dunric: New Order was a synthpop group from the 80s
7:53:50 PM:    tone007: "don't you want me, baby" and all
7:54:36 PM:     dunric: that was a good one
7:55:03 PM:     dunric: Tears for Fears was another 80s group that did well
7:55:16 PM:     dunric: White Lion, too
7:55:23 PM:     dunric: Depeche Mode
7:55:26 PM:     dunric: Enigma
7:55:27 PM: Romppainen: luckily, what comes to hardware stuff, computers and home entertainment, i have managed to find most of the stuff i've wanted to
7:55:28 PM:     dunric: etc
7:55:54 PM: Romppainen: just some missing bits and pieces here and there
7:55:56 PM:    tone007: there wasnt much i actively wanted, but i fell into a ton of cool items. ha
7:56:27 PM:     dunric: voltron on DVD, or the smurfs on DVD, is the holy grail of this person
7:57:38 PM: Romppainen: my holy handgrenade at the moment is 1551
7:58:46 PM: Romppainen: (and high end LD player but thats already work in progress)
7:58:51 PM:    tone007: dragos has been trying to unloada 1551 for weeks.,
7:59:11 PM: Romppainen: where?
7:59:16 PM:    tone007: here
7:59:38 PM: Romppainen: hm, does he happen to be same person as sidvicious
7:59:41 PM:    tone007: though currently he's partying away in kentucky
8:00:32 PM:     dunric: working 1551s are a rare jewel
8:00:56 PM:     dunric: don't know how they compare in transfer speed to a 1571 in burst mode
8:01:21 PM: Romppainen: they aren't such rarities, there's several of them always found in european ebay sites but i've always got my *** kicked in bidding wars
8:02:19 PM:     dunric: I've always thought that the plus/4 screen looked a bit crisper than a C64 or C128
8:03:22 PM:     dunric: I wrote a few Plus/4 games as well as 64 and 128
8:03:32 PM:     dunric: even wrote something for the VIC-20
8:03:56 PM:     dunric: but that 22 column screen was hard on the eyes
8:04:36 PM:     dunric: last VIC-20 game I saw in print was The Enchanted Journey (May 1985 Compute!'s Gazette)
8:04:49 PM:    tone007: i bet i have that issue.
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8:05:11 PM:     dunric: Enchanted Journey was a screen-by-screen adventure game using custom character graphics
8:06:49 PM:     dunric: using a BASIC VIC-20 emulator from September 1985 Compute!'s Gazette allowed C64 users to play VIC-20 BASIC games and other programs
8:08:10 PM:    tone007: the only VIC-20 stuff i use is on the behr-bonz cartridge.
8:08:27 PM: Romppainen: i'm trying to gather money for megacart
8:09:08 PM: Romppainen: i planned to feed my vic with 1541U but i don't have enough table space to place dedicated controller computer for it
8:09:14 PM:     dunric: the VIC-20 cart that plays 200 or so games? nice
8:09:45 PM:    tone007: looks nice, but it's over my limit for that machine.
8:09:48 PM:    tone007: $30 was just right.
8:10:51 PM: Romppainen: its indeed pricies but its probably only gadget i need ever to buy for vic
8:10:54 PM:     dunric: I bought most of my C64 games collection at a local store called Games Plus
8:11:22 PM:     dunric: and inherited the other half from my uncle's C64 collection
8:11:25 PM:    tone007: mine mostly came from child world and waldenbooks.
8:11:38 PM:     dunric: waldenbooks sold software?
8:11:57 PM:     dunric: I knew about a Software ETC in a B Daltons that sold C64/128 stuff
8:12:00 PM: Romppainen: mine are mostly copies...
8:12:28 PM:     dunric: I was upset that I had to wait so long for Phantasy Star III to come out for the Genesis
8:12:51 PM:     dunric: And I only played Phantasy Star IV when my brother rented it from Blockbuster video
8:13:00 PM:    tone007: waldenbooks had a small section.
8:13:02 PM:     dunric: Phantasy Star 2 is the real classic
8:13:11 PM:     dunric: I found Phantasy Star 1 lacking
8:13:20 PM:     dunric: tone: nice
8:13:37 PM: Romppainen: that reminded me I should re-setup my genesis emulator
8:13:38 PM:     dunric: Game Stop came about after they merged with Software ETC and Funcoland
8:14:25 PM:     dunric: I was mystified when Lionel Play World went belly up
8:14:40 PM:     dunric: now it was just Toys R Us, Best Buy and Game Stop
8:23:30 PM: Romppainen: *achoo*
8:23:38 PM: Romppainen: damn allergy
8:23:47 PM:     dunric: pet dander?
8:24:58 PM: Romppainen: pollen
8:26:46 PM:     dunric: ah ok
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8:27:20 PM:     dunric: hey snog, how goes the expo?
8:28:16 PM:     dunric: brb
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8:30:58 PM: Romppainen: phh, gotta give up for tonite, i was gonna still watch combat shock tonight but i think i couldn't survive it without falling asleep anymore
8:31:12 PM: dunric_awa: yup
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8:31:25 PM:   WizardNJ: hiya all
8:31:29 PM:     dunric: hey wizard
8:31:41 PM: Romppainen: ola wiz
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8:32:49 PM: Romppainen: well, g'nite, morning, evening or whatever to everyone
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8:38:14 PM: Romppainen: any lemon64 admins awake?
8:38:32 PM:     dunric: hey dlh
8:39:30 PM:    tone007: i doubt there are any lemon admins in this channel, ever. ha
8:39:40 PM:     dunric: tone: probably right
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8:39:45 PM:     dunric: hey jas
8:39:56 PM:     jasmaz: Hi
8:40:04 PM: Romppainen: i thought some of em lurk here, apparently not
8:41:02 PM:     dunric: haven't seen any. sorry
8:41:40 PM: Romppainen: no prob
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8:42:58 PM:    tone007: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/sys/1184475072.html
8:43:29 PM:     dunric: hmm...
8:43:44 PM:      golan: You can get a book with all the issues now.
8:44:18 PM:    tone007: all i need is my 40 column text file of the anarchist's cookbook!
8:44:26 PM:     dunric: After RUN stopped publishing, I still read Commodore magazines, including Commodore World
8:45:04 PM:     dunric: Commodore World was probably the best "post Commodore era" magazines for the 8-bitters
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8:45:30 PM:     dunric: I don't include Loadstar because that was simply disk based
8:46:44 PM:     dunric: Loadstar had some quality issues, no doubt, for I own a couple LS disks...but I preferred the magazines to the disk magazines
8:47:04 PM: SMD_Tech_E: Is Brain around C4 yet? I needs me sum sodder
8:47:26 PM:     dunric: what are you fixing?
8:48:04 PM: SMD_Tech_E: I am assembling uIEC boards for him
8:48:42 PM:     dunric: nice
8:49:30 PM: SMD_Tech_E: I love the smell of rosin in the morning
8:52:27 PM:    C4_Expo: Brain is around, but I havent seen him yet 
8:53:59 PM: SMD_Tech_E: ok, thanks
8:56:25 PM:    C4_Expo: looks like one person is looking at the cam
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9:04:16 PM:     dunric: hey dopple
9:04:20 PM:     Dopple: heya
9:04:23 PM:     Dopple: _brain_, WAKE UP!
9:04:36 PM:     Dopple: _brain_, pel wants to get food. :)
9:04:50 PM:    C4_Expo: ya think he is asleep?
9:05:46 PM:     dunric: 9:05 EDT is a bit early for sleep
9:05:52 PM:     dunric: EST rather
9:06:37 PM:     dunric: unless he already ate and is full with pasta or some such
9:11:33 PM:     Dopple: heh, mebbe
9:12:23 PM:     dunric: what time is it over there?
9:12:30 PM:     Dopple: EDT.
9:12:31 PM:     Dopple: 905
9:12:36 PM:     Dopple: we're in Kentucky, at C4.
9:13:39 PM:    C4_Expo: The rest of ya need to get on a bus and get here soon!
9:15:02 PM:     dunric: can't. having dinner at a friends how for Memorial Day
9:15:08 PM:     dunric: house*
9:16:32 PM:             dunric is frustrated...John D. Baker went AWOL
9:16:55 PM:    C4_Expo: Isnt he a truck driver?
9:16:58 PM:     dunric: no
9:17:11 PM:     dunric: programmer/engineer for CP/M and other systems
9:17:21 PM:     dunric: especially Apple CP/M
9:18:04 PM:     dunric: He was last heard from on May 8th on Usenet
9:18:09 PM:     dunric: but no one can seem to reach him since then
9:23:17 PM:     Dopple: well, fooding...
9:23:36 PM:     dunric: pizza is always good to chomp on
9:23:54 PM:     Dopple: bl
9:23:55 PM:     Dopple: bbl
9:24:01 PM:     dunric: ok dopple. take care
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9:46:41 PM:     dunric: so how goes the Commodoring?
9:46:48 PM:     dunric: any demos being shown?
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9:55:45 PM:     dunric: hey lo
9:55:54 PM:         lo: hey dunric
9:55:57 PM:         lo: how goes?
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9:59:31 PM:     dunric: hey commodore
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10:14:32 PM:     dunric: hey moloch
10:14:52 PM:     Moloch: Good Evening
10:19:20 PM:     dunric: how goes the commodoring?
10:30:42 PM:     dunric: or rather, how goes the expo
10:30:43 PM:     dunric: ?
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10:57:37 PM:      _xiS_: Anyone at C4 yet?
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11:02:20 PM:      _xiS_: natas liah
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11:08:05 PM:    ShadowM: C=4 in session!
11:08:28 PM:    ShadowM: The expo will come to order!
11:19:07 PM:    C4_Expo: _xiS_ bring empty 128D case tommorrow
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11:21:57 PM:      _xiS_: Wot?
11:22:00 PM:      _xiS_: Ok.
11:22:09 PM:      _xiS_: Trying to remember where I stashed that...
11:22:20 PM:      _xiS_: I'll figure it out when i get home tonight.
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11:23:56 PM:    C4_Expo: Check the garage?
11:24:16 PM:      _xiS_: Yeah, it's out there on one of the racks.
11:25:09 PM:      _xiS_: Is the expo room hoppin' yet?
11:25:23 PM:      _xiS_: I get off around 3 tonight, could always stop by if it's a rager.
11:25:51 PM:    ShadowM: hoppin n boppin
11:28:32 PM:    C4_Expo: Brain and several folks went across the hall to Chauncys
11:28:56 PM:     Dopple: yea
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11:30:43 PM:    ShadowM: Chaucer's
11:30:58 PM:      geneb: Cantebury Tales!  :)
11:31:24 PM:    ShadowM: no bawdy stories allowed!
11:31:33 PM:      geneb: pfft. :)
11:32:24 PM:     Dopple: heh... there are... gasp... GIRLS here...!!!!1111oneoneone
11:32:44 PM:      geneb: they must be lost
11:32:55 PM:     Dopple: one is sitting next tome
11:32:56 PM:     WD2STK: I AM!
11:32:58 PM:     Dopple: typing
11:32:58 PM:      geneb: ...or someone is doing well enough to hire Booth Babes.
11:33:17 PM:     WD2STK: very very lost. direct me in the right location please.
11:33:19 PM:     Dopple: oh yea, we need hot chicks in catsuits... like the F1 race teams
11:33:24 PM:      golan: Shadow: Have you tried the Palm emulator on your N810?
11:33:30 PM:     WD2STK: nah you couldn't pay us enuf.
11:33:39 PM:     WD2STK: no one could. :-P
11:34:31 PM:      golan: I see Ricky Rubies is having another freak out in c.s.c. I hope Dansolifish keeps at him. Could get ugly.
11:35:27 PM:      geneb: did that start today?
11:35:41 PM:     Dopple: heh
11:36:14 PM:  redrumloa: Girls? At a C= show?
11:36:27 PM:  redrumloa: Strippers? ;-)
11:36:39 PM:    C4_Expo: Not yet
11:36:46 PM:      geneb: did MR show up?
11:37:05 PM:    C4_Expo: Not yet
11:37:26 PM:     Dopple: well, depends on how much Sabrina (WD2STK) drinks 
11:37:38 PM:      geneb: heh
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11:38:22 PM:  redrumloa: sweet
11:39:42 PM:     Dopple: i got hit.  
11:39:58 PM:     WD2STK: if thats the case, it better be good stuff
11:40:05 PM:     WD2STK: so I forget comes the following day.
11:40:14 PM:     WD2STK: a few skittles and I'll be on my way.
11:40:24 PM:     WD2STK: or maybe just some blakhaus
11:40:29 PM:     Dopple: oh yea... mind eraser.
11:41:08 PM:     WD2STK: well I'll stick w something I've had b4
11:41:52 PM:      golan: geneb: Started a few days ago. Someone mentioned the C65 and off Ricky went (as usual).
11:42:18 PM:      geneb: oh yeah, the "it's useless" guy.
11:42:49 PM:     Dopple: ok, gonna go over to restaruant with the "cool" people.
11:42:54 PM:     Dopple: <G>
11:42:59 PM:             Dopple is ay eff kay.
11:43:00 PM:     WD2STK: guess I'm joining.
11:43:17 PM:             WD2STK I'm following the dork.
11:43:27 PM:      geneb: it must be the whole "join the dark side, we have cookies" thing...
11:43:43 PM:      golan: There appears to be a leak in my beer. Hrm.
11:43:53 PM:      _xiS_: rofl
11:44:03 PM:      _xiS_: You guys want to see girls, you should come up here to the club.
11:45:32 PM:      _xiS_: 'course they all have dicks.
11:47:07 PM:             geneb rolls his eyes
11:47:26 PM:   jonnosan: different strokes for different folks eh
11:49:30 PM:      golan: No stroking, thanks.
11:51:05 PM:      _xiS_: I suppose.  And yes, I work in a club that alternates drag shows and krunk rap.
11:52:43 PM:      geneb: I'd take that as a sign that you need a new job.
11:53:07 PM:      _xiS_: If you can beat $40/hour for a part-time night job that works around my day job schedule, let me know.
11:54:45 PM:      _xiS_: So what's going on over at C4, what time's it opening up in the morning?
11:55:22 PM:    C4_Expo: 7am for those who need to set up with demos/selling
11:55:35 PM:    C4_Expo: 9am for everyone else
11:55:56 PM:    C4_Expo: Webcam is up and running
11:56:24 PM:    C4_Expo: of course nobody is in the frame at the moment
11:56:55 PM:      _xiS_: guess I'll be there around 8ish.
11:57:09 PM:      _xiS_: Gotta get a few hours sleep or I'll be fer shite, got coding to do.
11:57:19 PM:    C4_Expo: is Cichlid going to show?
11:58:03 PM:      _xiS_: yes
11:58:44 PM:    C4_Expo: brb. dimming the lights
12:01:31 AM:    C4_Expo: now you cant see the room in the cam... 
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12:21:19 AM:     WD2STK: la di da
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12:34:06 AM:    ShadowM: DemongerX, you coming to C=4?
12:36:19 AM:      _xiS_: Woooooh
12:37:00 AM: Demonger_-: No, wish I was there tho.  Lack of funds right now.
12:38:11 AM: Demonger_-: watching you all on the web cam, definately not the same as being there.
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12:39:21 AM:             ShadowM waves
12:40:53 AM: Demonger_-: thanx shadowM, BTW, the last sid update the Peter Weghill did was alot of the stuff that I put out on that cd a couple of years ago.  He said it bumped up his collection by 26
12:40:58 AM: Demonger_-: %.
12:46:19 AM:        DLH: re
12:49:05 AM: Info-Seeke: basic wayne hooked me up on a drive alignment disk
12:49:10 AM: Info-Seeke: 7.50 shipped
12:49:54 AM: Info-Seeke: better than I expected
12:52:35 AM:      _xiS_: Oh, there's the webcam.
12:52:50 AM:      _xiS_: I see we're downstairs again this year?
12:53:01 AM:     WD2STK: yuppers. same as last yr.
12:53:10 AM:     WD2STK: same rooms even
12:53:23 AM:     WD2STK: we have some ankle biter show in the room next door
12:53:42 AM: Info-Seeke: strippers?
12:53:57 AM:     WD2STK: itd make it more interesting for me if that were the case :)
12:54:27 AM:     WD2STK: but nope small dog show.
12:55:11 AM: Info-Seeke: I like dogs
12:55:16 AM: Info-Seeke: but I am allergic to them
12:55:37 AM:     WD2STK: yeah Pell is loving it. he has the yappers in the same hall he is in 
12:55:56 AM:      _xiS_: Punt the buggers
12:56:27 AM:     WD2STK: we were thinking of trying to get them drunk or something
12:56:42 AM: Info-Seeke: don't do that
12:56:52 AM:     WD2STK: we wouldn't seriously. 
12:56:56 AM: Info-Seeke: dogs can get paralysed in tehir back legs rom alcohol
12:57:01 AM: Info-Seeke: good man
12:57:29 AM:             WD2STK looks down her shirt.
12:57:36 AM:      _xiS_: rofl, that'd be hilarious!
12:57:40 AM:     Dopple: haha...
12:57:43 AM:     WD2STK: definatly a woman.
12:57:48 AM:     Dopple: dogs dragging their *** on the ground
12:57:51 AM:     Dopple: hahah
12:58:08 AM:      _xiS_: Then we could chase them all the way down the hall, and people could follow the stripe to the expo
12:58:10 AM: Info-Seeke: not funny when they are paralysed
12:58:24 AM:      _xiS_: Yes it is.
12:59:04 AM: Info-Seeke: I would rather paralyse people
12:59:05 AM:      _xiS_: That would be the funny part.  Wonder if they'd twitch a bunch before they keeled over...
12:59:07 AM: Info-Seeke: least they deserve it
12:59:22 AM:      _xiS_: Yeah, them too.
12:59:51 AM:      _xiS_: You lamers going to do anything entertaining over there?  This is the most boring webcam I've ever seen!
1:00:04 AM: Info-Seeke: link?
1:00:08 AM:  PellMini9: start drinking it will be better
1:00:14 AM:     WD2STK: well if dopple brought me to the hotel I could get drunk sneak back in here in lingere
1:00:50 AM:     WD2STK: :-P
1:01:45 AM:  PellMini9: btw shouldn't you be here already oliver?
1:01:51 AM: Info-Seeke: or you can do that now and we can watch them watching your web cam
1:02:44 AM:    C4_Expo: Now you know why there wasnt a cam at previous shows  
1:03:11 AM:      _xiS_: Nah, I'm still at work.
1:03:23 AM:    C4_Expo: Only 4 folks looking at the cam at the moment anyway... 
1:03:25 AM:      _xiS_: I'll be over in the morning, have to run home, crash out for a few hours, get my gear together.
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1:03:41 AM: Info-Seeke: what kinda gear u bringing?
1:03:56 AM:     WD2STK: stuff. just tell them STUFF. Six.
1:04:08 AM: Info-Seeke: I remember when the world of commodore took up a huge convention center in philadelpha
1:04:14 AM:     Dopple: yea, stuff.
1:04:15 AM: Info-Seeke: now you are in a church basement
1:04:24 AM:     WD2STK: haha.
1:04:31 AM:     Dopple: we're in two conf rooms
1:05:46 AM:     WD2STK: we got someone playing w a vibrator hjere
1:06:12 AM:      _xiS_: I'm bringing some antifreeze for the dogs, some Commodore videos with pr0n spliced in, and a raw ham.
1:06:13 AM: Info-Seeke: where is here?
1:06:29 AM: Info-Seeke: commie pr0n
1:06:39 AM:     WD2STK: over against the other wall.
1:06:39 AM: Info-Seeke: 256 grey scale...
1:06:40 AM:  PellMini9: pixel pleasure :/
1:07:07 AM: Info-Seeke: six, u got any new demo coming out for the show?
1:07:24 AM:     Dopple: oh, uh
1:07:25 AM:     Dopple: yea here
1:07:36 AM:     Dopple: oh
1:07:40 AM:     Dopple: yea... the dremel
1:08:52 AM:      _xiS_: I've written a whole dtv demo, maybe this time we'll actually release it.
1:09:21 AM:    C4_Expo: which version of DTV?
1:09:35 AM:      _xiS_: 2
1:10:00 AM:    C4_Expo: drat, only brought my V1
1:10:04 AM: Info-Seeke: whats the difference between it and v1?
1:10:38 AM:    C4_Expo: V2 was mostly PAL
1:11:37 AM:     Dopple: i only have a v1
1:11:43 AM: Info-Seeke: I use pal 1200z cuz the video resolution is cleaner
1:12:07 AM:      _xiS_: No worries, I can make that V1 dance.
1:12:33 AM:      _xiS_: Got a ton of stock c64 stuff to put together, too.
1:12:46 AM:      _xiS_: Figuring on mostly writing music and working on the game, though.
1:12:54 AM:      _xiS_: This'll be my first 8 hour stretch on the 64 in months.
1:13:01 AM: Info-Seeke: u guys should build some of those amiga floppy emulators
1:14:39 AM:      _xiS_: Now that sounds promising.  All my fdd for Amiga are whacked
1:15:19 AM: Info-Seeke: did u see that thing?
1:15:50 AM: Info-Seeke: http://jeanfrancoisdelnero.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/index.html#projetssimilaires
1:15:58 AM: Info-Seeke: there is an english version
1:16:39 AM: Info-Seeke: http://jeanfrancoisdelnero.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/index.html#SDCARDFloppyemulator
1:17:01 AM:      _xiS_: w00t, looks like we're wrapping drag night up early.
1:17:19 AM: Info-Seeke: whats the web cam link?
1:18:26 AM:     WD2STK: lucky you six
1:18:37 AM:     WD2STK: its a yahoo user id 
1:19:08 AM:     WD2STK: cbmusers
1:19:49 AM:    _brain_: win 11
1:19:58 AM:     WD2STK: from there you view the webcam.
1:21:09 AM:      _xiS_: Looks like I'll be able to stop by after all.
1:23:02 AM:     WD2STK: nifty.
1:23:11 AM:     WD2STK: how long will it take ya to get here.
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1:26:01 AM: Info-Seeke: nobody has the link to the webcam?
1:26:34 AM: Info-Seeke: man you guys suck
1:26:45 AM:     Dopple: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lolcat-funny-picture-moderator1.jpg
1:26:50 AM: Info-Seeke: thank you
1:26:54 AM: Info-Seeke: lamer
1:27:06 AM:     Dopple: oh
1:27:07 AM:     Dopple: bahahah
1:27:12 AM:     Dopple: unintenational, but funneh
1:27:33 AM:     Dopple: she needs a tattoo
1:28:33 AM:        DLH: Do you want us to watch it for you also?
1:28:54 AM: Info-Seeke: I would like to check it out if someone can pass it over
1:29:22 AM:        DLH: is the topic not on your screen?
1:29:28 AM: Info-Seeke: no
1:29:47 AM: Info-Seeke: I do not use instant messenge
1:29:48 AM: Info-Seeke: r
1:29:58 AM:        DLH: * Topic is 'C=4 Expo this weekend!! webcam available using Yahoo Instant Messenger add cbmusers then view webcam'
1:30:02 AM:        DLH: * Set by Snogpitch on Fri May 22 14:16:50
1:31:13 AM:     WD2STK: yawnie yawnie yawnie.
1:36:19 AM:     Dopple: oofie.
1:39:28 AM: Info-Seeke: what stupid gay *** ****
1:39:40 AM:     WD2STK: talking about yourself?
1:39:44 AM:     WD2STK: :-P
1:39:51 AM: Info-Seeke: no, stupid yahoo
1:40:05 AM: Info-Seeke: I have this instant messenger **** p
1:40:09 AM:     Dopple: ha
1:40:14 AM: Info-Seeke: added cbmusers as a contact
1:40:17 AM: Info-Seeke: but there is no view webcam
1:40:44 AM:     WD2STK: open a message window in yahoo
1:41:16 AM: Info-Seeke: its open
1:41:20 AM:     WD2STK: then actions
1:41:25 AM:     WD2STK: and view webcam
1:41:26 AM: Info-Seeke: in the web based messenger
1:41:30 AM: Info-Seeke: where is the action?
1:41:36 AM: Info-Seeke: the smiley fac drop down?
1:41:39 AM:     WD2STK: not sure about web based messenger 
1:41:42 AM:     WD2STK: nopers 
1:41:53 AM:     WD2STK: the actually downloaded and running yahoo client
1:42:03 AM:     WD2STK: don't think the webclient has that functionality
1:42:50 AM: Info-Seeke: man, how ****ing gay
1:43:00 AM: Info-Seeke: I am not installing this stupid ****
1:43:03 AM: Info-Seeke: thanks though
1:43:45 AM:    ShadowM: too hard for you, Info?
1:43:48 AM: Info-Seeke: any moron can put up a webcam, and people here have to do it some *** backwards stupid ****ing way to force people to conform
1:44:03 AM: Info-Seeke: no, I am just not installing that stupid unnecessary **** for no reason
1:44:36 AM:     WD2STK: then get over it 
1:45:12 AM: Info-Seeke: I am over it
1:46:20 AM:     Dopple: I just use Trillian Pro
1:46:25 AM:     Dopple: waymoremuchbetter.
1:46:34 AM:    ShadowM: [shrug] I even got it running on Linux last year
1:46:58 AM: Info-Seeke: trillian?
1:47:42 AM:     Dopple: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Trillian
1:48:11 AM:     WD2STK: http://just****inggoogleit.com/
1:48:29 AM: Info-Seeke: I know what it is, I was asking if he meant he got trillain working under linux
1:48:52 AM:  PellMini9: bbl
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1:49:02 AM: Info-Seeke: take the snotty bitch with you
1:49:05 AM: Info-Seeke: oh well
1:53:37 AM:     WD2STK: yawn.
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1:54:01 AM:    ShadowM: Six here now...
1:54:17 AM: Info-Seeke: he left
1:55:18 AM:    ShadowM: huh?
1:55:52 AM:    ShadowM: he just walked in the door
1:57:20 AM:     Dopple: okee, sleepy time
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1:57:27 AM: Info-Seeke: man, that trillian pro install wants to install all kinds of gay **** 
1:57:38 AM: Info-Seeke: ask.com tool bar, the weather channel desktop
1:57:48 AM: Info-Seeke: then wants to make ask.com my default search page
1:58:00 AM: Info-Seeke: I get tired of all this gay ****
1:59:24 AM:        DLH: by the time you get that installed C4 will be over....
2:01:51 AM: Info-Seeke: I already got it up
2:01:57 AM: Info-Seeke: trying to find the webcam **** in it
2:01:59 AM: Info-Seeke: no joy
2:02:22 AM: Info-Seeke:  the user cbmusers is offline
2:02:27 AM: Info-Seeke: is that the case for yo guys?
2:04:41 AM:        DLH: I havent looked
2:07:33 AM: Info-Seeke: garbage
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2:14:53 AM:  Snogpitch: cbmusers is online, cam is still transmitting
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2:58:49 AM:    ShadowM: [shrug] cam works for me in Linux using gyachi
3:00:13 AM: Info-Seeke: man, I would do anything to get with Jessica Alba
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6:24:34 AM:  Snogpitch: Jessica is at the expo
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6:56:17 AM:    C4_Expo: Expo room is open for demo/sellers
7:01:05 AM:   jonnosan: any reason the c=4 expo homepage doesn't allow visitors from .au?
7:01:48 AM:   jonnosan: HTTP Error 403.6 - Forbidden: IP address of the client has been rejected
7:37:31 AM:    C4_Expo: I think most continents other than North America are blocked
7:38:12 AM:    C4_Expo: It is supposed to lessen the spam in the forums from drug companies, enhancers, etc...
7:39:14 AM:    C4_Expo: The opening page says mostly about signing up for the expo...that information has been listed on other sources anyway. 
7:40:01 AM:   jonnosan: i see
7:41:13 AM:    C4_Expo: http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?redirCnt=2&webtag=ws-vintagecomp
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8:22:20 AM:      _Six_: grumble
8:22:24 AM:      _Six_: already runnning late
8:22:47 AM:    C4_Expo: Id say
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8:38:34 AM:         al: Bacon's in the pan; coffee's in the pot.
8:38:34 AM:         al: Wake up folks, and get it while it's hot.
8:39:54 AM:    C4_Expo: cam is already up
8:40:13 AM:             DragonFlu chuckles
8:41:58 AM:     Dragos: yoyo
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8:43:20 AM:             ShadowM waves
8:43:31 AM:    ShadowM: Hi mom!
8:44:45 AM: _Commodore: jonnosan - http://tinyurl.com/o38brf
8:45:14 AM: Info-Seeke: the cam is useless to those of us who do not use yahoo or instant messenger
8:45:37 AM:    ShadowM: For Ubuntu users running Intrepid:
8:45:39 AM:    ShadowM: https://launchpad.net/%7Eloell/+archive/ppa/+files/gyachi_1.1.70-1%7Ejaunty_i386.deb
8:45:45 AM: *** Signoff: _Commodore_ (Spam)
8:45:56 AM:    ShadowM: so Info-Seeker, you're full of **** as usual
8:46:00 AM:   jonnosan: commodore: i actually use google translate - saves having to look at weird japanese porn cartoons
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8:47:27 AM:   jonnosan: commodore: i actually use google translate - saves having to look at weird japanese porn cartoons
8:47:45 AM: _Commodore: what weird porn cartoons?
8:47:56 AM:   jonnosan: but I was curious about the logic behind the block. i get it now though
8:48:39 AM:   jonnosan: cartoons == the adverts on the 'anonymouse' site
8:49:04 AM:   jonnosan: http://imgserve.adtoll.com/ads/76456181777-anim468x60.gif
8:49:43 AM: _Commodore: I don't see those
8:50:02 AM: _Commodore: firefox must be blocking them out
8:51:37 AM:     Dragos: free cam and you still complain?
8:52:10 AM: _Commodore: I'm not going to install spamware to view it.
8:53:17 AM:       mech: works in Ibrowse ;)
8:53:28 AM:    ShadowM: works in Gyachi under Linux :)
8:53:58 AM:         al: bushy iibrowse?
8:54:09 AM:         al: hey mech :)
8:54:14 AM:       mech: hey al,you on the road again?
8:54:44 AM:         al: Not quite ywt. Waiting for the lead driver to call. Sometime this morning.
8:55:44 AM:         al: Meanwhile I have every battery charger, cell phone charger, lappy charger, ... pluged in.
8:55:47 AM: _Commodore: maybe there is a plugin for FF
8:56:13 AM:  DragonFlu: I use adblock plus in firefox, I dont see them either. 
8:57:19 AM:    C4_Expo: The msg prg does have ads, but the cam window does not
8:57:32 AM:   jonnosan: what's on the cam anyway?
8:57:40 AM:   jonnosan: or whom, should i say?
8:57:54 AM:  DragonFlu: 5 or 6 people atm
8:58:05 AM:  DragonFlu: looks like people are just waking up
8:58:06 AM:  DragonFlu: hehe
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9:03:06 AM:    ShadowM: We stayed up past our bedtimes :)
9:03:07 AM: _Commodore: if ibrowse can show the cam, I'm sure FF can
9:03:45 AM:    C4_Expo: Most of the folks are at Brain table, at the right
9:04:02 AM: Info-Seeke: you got a link commodore?
9:05:07 AM:  DragonFlu: move brains table over! lol
9:05:08 AM:    C4_Expo: We have 4 viewers so far
9:05:17 AM:   WizardNJ: im one
9:05:19 AM: _Commodore: no, I haven't
9:05:31 AM:             WizardNJ waves to jppbm
9:05:59 AM:             DragonFlu thought he saw dragos walk by earlier?
9:06:32 AM:             ShadowM waves again
9:06:37 AM:    C4_Expo: ya, is in cam frame now in the white shirt... 
9:06:59 AM:    C4_Expo: opposite corner of the room to brain
9:07:15 AM:     Dragos: voyeurs
9:07:21 AM:  DragonFlu: lol
9:07:22 AM:   WizardNJ: :P
9:07:51 AM:   WizardNJ: heres dopple!!!!!!!!!!!
9:11:04 AM:   jonnosan: damn almost out of beer
9:11:14 AM:       mech: whats the url to the webcam?
9:11:29 AM:       mech: anyone?bueller? bueller?
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9:11:49 AM: Info-Seeke: I been asking that question since yesterday mech
9:11:58 AM: Info-Seeke: you won't get an answer
9:13:21 AM:       mech: topic info
9:13:23 AM:    C4_Expo: Did you look at the room topic?
9:13:31 AM: Info-Seeke: yes
9:13:38 AM: Info-Seeke: but not everyone uses yahoo messenger
9:13:46 AM:      _Six_: Anyone at c4, save me a table, no?
9:15:25 AM: Info-Seeke: I did, but you have to install a russian app called ****offa in order to use it
9:15:43 AM:    C4_Expo: OK, and what did it say when you installed that?
9:16:05 AM:   WizardNJ: im using trillian astra but thats what i use anyways all the time working perfect for cam
9:16:41 AM: Info-Seeke: I installed trillian to try that but it said cbmusers was offline
9:16:46 AM: Info-Seeke: and couldn't connect to the cam
9:17:19 AM:   WizardNJ: mine was left on all night when i woke up i was suprised it was still running
9:17:43 AM:    C4_Expo: hmm you need to call tech support then, because 3 are looking at it now
9:19:24 AM:    C4_Expo: a few tables are left, you better hurry to get the prime spot
9:19:35 AM: Info-Seeke: I am just saying I went way out of my way, installed software, wasted all kinds of time, just so see a stupid web cam that could just as easily be put on a url like normal people
9:20:05 AM: Info-Seeke: I don't understand why people have to make **** complicated to force others to conform to their bull****
9:20:18 AM: _Commodore: agreed
9:20:20 AM: Info-Seeke: when it could have just as easily be put up on a regular url like the rest of the world 
9:20:50 AM:    C4_Expo: OK, Dont look at it then if it is that difficult for you, which it shouldnt be
9:21:54 AM: Info-Seeke: yea, its my fault, I've only been doing this **** for 25 years... what the **** do I know
9:22:20 AM:      _Six_: C4, can you post something on a table for me, I'm still hunting that freakin' 128 case!
9:22:23 AM:   jonnosan: now now, remember the name of this channel
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9:24:22 AM:   jonnosan: so who are the guys in the black shirts at the front of the frame?
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9:24:27 AM:  Hellion_1: Six:  What table did you want?
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9:24:42 AM:    C4_Expo: Joe has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40 with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for your.  Super Snapshot $65  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight.
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9:25:14 AM:  DoppleBBS: y0
9:25:29 AM:  DoppleBBS: On the irc thru a friends bbs on my 128d
9:25:40 AM: Info-Seeke: nice
9:25:42 AM:   jonnosan: welcome
9:26:55 AM:  DoppleBBS: Hey snog, aim the webcam down
9:28:23 AM:   jonnosan: should there be audio on this cam?
9:29:25 AM:    C4_Expo: no, dont have audio set up
9:29:41 AM:   jonnosan: k
9:30:08 AM:    C4_Expo: Most folks are out of the microfone range anyway
9:30:15 AM:  DragonFlu: I miss my camcorder, tis what I used to use for a webcam, talk about clear pics
9:30:34 AM:    C4_Expo: I am directly below the cam, so you would hear me mostly
9:31:06 AM:   jonnosan: are you visible?
9:31:36 AM:  DragonFlu: naw, he's invisible
9:31:50 AM:   jonnosan: who just waved?
9:31:58 AM:   jonnosan: this is oddly compelling
9:32:13 AM:  DragonFlu: hehe, snog's making sure he can be seen now 
9:32:20 AM:      _Six_: Ok, found that damn 128 case.
9:32:29 AM:      _Six_: ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
9:32:33 AM:  DoppleBBS: good, now get down to the room :)
9:32:35 AM:      _Six_: I'm on my way.  Any table will do.
9:33:21 AM:   jonnosan: this cam needs captions. or else you all need to walk around holding big cardboard signs with your names written on them
9:33:31 AM:     Moloch: ha
9:33:50 AM: _Commodore: no sound?
9:33:53 AM:  DragonFlu: nope
9:34:12 AM: Info-Seeke: no worries, most people won't see it anyways
9:34:14 AM:   jonnosan: who is this guy, and what is he saying?
9:34:21 AM:  DragonFlu: thats snogpitch
9:34:25 AM:   jonnosan: in white?
9:34:28 AM:  DoppleBBS: got 3 or 4 open tables
9:34:28 AM:  DragonFlu: yea
9:34:32 AM:   jonnosan: who just stood up?
9:34:39 AM:   jonnosan: in black?
9:34:45 AM:  DragonFlu: that I dunno
9:35:28 AM:    C4_Expo: I just  walked back to the computer to make a name tag.
9:36:06 AM:   jonnosan: who'se that in black monopolising the frame then?
9:38:05 AM:   jonnosan: now everybody's hiding
9:39:50 AM:    C4_Expo: That is Carl, a CCCC member
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9:40:32 AM:             DragonFlu has to admit snog, that c-1 you had in last years photos is awesome
9:41:04 AM:    C4_Expo: I didnt bring that this year, brought the Vic20 and MegaCart tho
9:42:01 AM:      _Six_: Any last minute requests?
9:42:14 AM:    C4_Expo: ya, get down here!
9:44:46 AM:       mech: just one, italian bmt with a little honey mustard..
9:45:59 AM:   jonnosan: play him off, keyboard cat
9:46:50 AM:    C4_Expo: OK, ShadowM was just on cam, JPPBM in frame with Carl now 
9:47:08 AM:    C4_Expo: Hellion jst walked up
9:47:36 AM:    C4_Expo: hmmm, 8 viewers on cam now...
9:47:50 AM:   jonnosan: whoops - i was checking the rugby score and missed that flurry of activity
9:48:39 AM: _Commodore: you missed three frames ;-)
9:53:43 AM: _Commodore: where does trillian save captures to?
9:55:21 AM:  DoppleBBS: program files\trillian\users\default..... something like that
9:58:44 AM:  DragonFlu: someones bringing their kids up right and teaching them commodore! :P lol
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10:06:37 AM: _Commodore: ok, I've put the cam up experimentally at another site, if you want to try it, pm me
10:09:10 AM:  DoppleBBS: six is still complaining about having to get that case :)
10:11:28 AM:    C4_Expo: Kids are sitting at the  C= at the far left of the cam :)
10:11:49 AM:    C4_Expo: 9 viewers watching the cam
10:11:53 AM:  DragonFlu: thats just awesome
10:11:54 AM:  DragonFlu: heh
10:12:33 AM:  DragonFlu: ill be getting my grandson into the c= when he gets here next week, lets hope he takes to it, since he's an xbox fanatic only.
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10:15:17 AM: Info-Seeke: I have a nice amiga emu and stuff for the xbox if you wan
10:15:17 AM: Info-Seeke: t
10:16:29 AM:  DragonFlu: thanks, but ills kip, he plays the dang thing enough as it is, if I can get him interested in being on the computer more ill be happier
10:21:37 AM:  DragonFlu: off to work, have fun at the expo :)
10:26:30 AM: Info-Seeke: wiz, is there a way to see the sream from this webcamnow?
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10:30:58 AM: _Commodore: do you see any names in the list?
10:31:04 AM: Info-Seeke: man, that webcam now **** is a bunch of guys holding their dicks on a webcam
10:31:26 AM: _Commodore: no, you went to the wrong section
10:31:29 AM:    C4_Expo: Jealous arent ya?
10:31:41 AM: _Commodore: lol, go to family and friends
10:36:07 AM: _Commodore: anyone still watching on webcamnow?
10:36:50 AM: Info-Seeke: I am
10:37:13 AM: Info-Seeke: there are 4 guys in friends and family, and like 300+ with their dick in their hand
10:37:15 AM: Info-Seeke: that is funny
10:38:04 AM: _Commodore: what is funny is when the overflow of dickholders spill over into familt and friends
10:38:26 AM: Info-Seeke: I see this channel in the top left and the **** I type
10:38:50 AM: _Commodore: yeah, coz that's me typing in my mirc box
10:39:38 AM: _Commodore: the relay is by screencap of desktop, so i have to do it this way or else you won't see anything
10:39:53 AM: _Commodore: it's better then nothing I hope
10:41:48 AM: _Commodore: who is the man to the right of screen, sitting down?
10:42:37 AM:   WizardNJ: Roger
10:43:17 AM: _Commodore: ah ok
10:44:03 AM: _Commodore: where are you?
10:46:25 AM: _Commodore: glare
10:50:29 AM: _Commodore: cam would have been much better with sound
10:52:44 AM:    ShadowM: What's really better is to come to the expo in person :P
10:53:34 AM: _Commodore: indeed :-)
10:54:08 AM: _Commodore: quite a few people now
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11:10:10 AM:     Moloch: [05/23/09|08:07:41] * eagleman (pirc@24-207-134-61.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) has joined #c-64
11:10:10 AM:     Moloch: [05/23/09|08:09:18] <eagleman> my bbs is up if anyone interested here... address dslman2.dyndns.org 6400
11:10:14 AM:     Moloch: haha
11:11:59 AM: _Commodore: what's in the box? Star NX-1000?
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11:12:57 AM:    C4_Expo: that guy with the 1581 kits is here....
11:13:17 AM: _Commodore: joe palumbo (sp?)
11:13:24 AM:    C4_Expo: ya
11:14:45 AM:    C4_Expo: Joe has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40 with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for your.  Super Snapshot $65  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight.
11:15:04 AM: _Commodore: who's that?
11:15:12 AM:     Moloch: Payment details would help.
11:15:44 AM:    C4_Expo: Joe
11:15:54 AM: _Commodore: hi Joe
11:16:24 AM:    C4_Expo: you guys should have that info, right?
11:20:12 AM:    C4_Expo: Joe here   Paypal is sae as Email Address...jppbm@rogers.com
11:20:30 AM: _Commodore: ok I'm going to bed. I'll leave the cam running overnight
11:21:09 AM: _Commodore: have fun at the expo
11:22:13 AM:    C4_Expo: fun has started!
11:22:38 AM: _Commodore: may it continue then!
11:27:13 AM: _Commodore: last word - not spam - for the benefit of those without yahoo this may work for you. www dot webcamnow dot com, free, choose FAMILY AND FRIENDS (very important) and click on pirate_pete to see a relay of the cam. It should be up for the next 8 hours or so. 
11:27:19 AM: _Commodore: not spam!
11:28:19 AM: _Commodore: goodnight
11:28:39 AM:    C4_Expo: The rule is....If you are not here, then you have to show-up to ECCC in September or WOC in December!   No Excuses!
11:29:28 AM: _Commodore: that man has to put that photo up online
11:29:52 AM: _Commodore: lol
11:30:22 AM: _Commodore: nice to see that brutus beefcake could make it ;-)
11:35:05 AM:    C4_Expo: I thought you were going to bed?
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11:50:52 AM:     Moloch: Goat Major Lieutenant Corporal Ryan Arthur of 1st Battalion The Royal Welsh leads William Windsor, their Regimental Goat through his retirement parade at Dale Barracks in Chester, northern England May 20, 2009. William Windsor will live out the rest of his days at Whipsnade Zoo.
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12:09:17 PM:     Moloch: The Air Force cargo aircraft pushed back from the gate, the loadmistress gave the passengers the usual information regarding seat belts, etc. Finally, she said, "Now sit back and enjoy your trip while your Aircraft Commander, Major Judith Campbell, and crew take you safely to your destination."
12:09:17 PM:     Moloch: Sgt. Looper, sitting in the eighth row thought to himself, "Did I hear her right? Is the Major a woman?" When the cargo crew came by, he said "Did I understand you right? Is the Major a woman?"
12:09:17 PM:     Moloch: "Yes," said the crew member, "In fact, this entire crew is female." "My God," said Sgt. Looper, "I'd better have a tranqulizer. I don't know what to think of all those women up
12:09:17 PM:     Moloch: there in the cockpit."
12:09:19 PM:     Moloch: "That's another thing Sarge," she said, "We no longer call it the cock pit." 
12:09:22 PM:     Moloch: The Air Force cargo aircraft pushed back from the gate, the loadmistress gave the passengers the usual information regarding seat belts, etc. Finally, she said, "Now sit back and enjoy your trip while your Aircraft Commander, Major Judith Campbell, and crew take you safely to your destination."
12:09:26 PM:     Moloch: Sgt. Looper, sitting in the eighth row thought to himself, "Did I hear her right? Is the Major a woman?" When the cargo crew came by, he said "Did I understand you right? Is the Major a woman?"
12:09:28 PM:     Moloch: "Yes," said the crew member, "In fact, this entire crew is female." "My God," said Sgt. Looper, "I'd better have a tranqulizer. I don't know what to think of all those women up
12:09:32 PM:     Moloch: there in the cockpit."
12:09:34 PM:     Moloch: "That's another thing Sarge," she said, "We no longer call it the cock pit." 
12:09:36 PM:     Moloch: wow, wtf
12:09:39 PM:     Moloch: wrong window, etc.
12:09:41 PM:     Moloch: omg
12:19:22 PM:    tone007: ...cockpit.
12:21:13 PM:     Moloch: "It's the Box Office now"
12:36:57 PM:    C4_Expo: Joe JPPBM has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40US with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for your.  NEW Super Snapshot V5.22 $65US  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight. E-Mail/PayPal is:jppbm@rogers.com
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12:45:58 PM:   Wildstar: hello
12:46:24 PM:   Wildstar: bbl
12:50:14 PM:     Moloch: brilliant
1:01:25 PM:     Dragos: anyone have the  plus4 jdos image handy??
1:08:58 PM:    ShadowM: Eric soldering uIECs: http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/c4-2009/IMG_1851-800x600.jpg
1:09:24 PM:    ShadowM: shot through the scope: http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/c4-2009/IMG_1853-800x600.jpg
1:10:22 PM:        DLH: www.bombjack.org/requests
1:12:15 PM:     Dragos: thnx!
1:12:24 PM:        DLH: no problem
1:12:40 PM:     Dragos: thats both jdos and reg kenral correct?
1:12:43 PM:     Dragos: ready to burn
1:12:49 PM:        DLH: yes
1:12:52 PM:     Dragos: sweet
1:14:40 PM:    ShadowM: sixosaurus: http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/c4-2009/IMG_1850-800x600.jpg
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1:38:41 PM:    C4_Expo: Joe JPPBM has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40US with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for your.  NEW Super Snapshot V5.22 $65US  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight. E-Mail/PayPal is:jppbm@rogers.com
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2:35:30 PM:    ShadowM: where's CMD HD util disk image at?
2:38:14 PM:        DLH: www.bombjack.org/requests
2:46:56 PM:        DLH: will that work?  Not sure if its the latesty
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2:58:58 PM:    ShadowM: tx DLH, yer a rock
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3:32:15 PM:  DoppleBBS: oops
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3:49:15 PM: Demonger_-: hey guys.... any good freebies at c4?
3:49:48 PM: Demonger_-: I'm always the king of the ECCC freebie tables...
3:49:53 PM:    ShadowM: heh, the RAMLink I bought wasn't free :)
3:52:07 PM: Demonger_-: what did you give for it, shadowM?
3:52:58 PM:    ShadowM: I'm sorry, that information is currently unavailable.
3:53:56 PM: Demonger_-: Ahhh, I see. any other hardware or book goodies to be had?
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4:04:04 PM:    C4_Expo: ShadowM can thank me for finding it, btw
4:11:14 PM:    C4_Expo: Do you have any Uptime issues?
4:11:45 PM: Demonger_-: Me?
4:11:54 PM:    C4_Expo: sure
4:12:20 PM:    C4_Expo: Im looking over one now, vol1 issue6
4:12:21 PM: Demonger_-: The only one I had DLH already scanned.  I had the binder art as well.  That's the one he has on his site.
4:13:04 PM:    C4_Expo: I guess I should look at that then.
4:14:21 PM: Demonger_-: he's got 2 complete volumes it looks like, with cover sheets scanned in as well.
4:15:04 PM: Demonger_-: nope, just the images, and the one original disk I had.  He has all the disk images tho.
4:15:11 PM:    C4_Expo: I see
4:16:04 PM: Demonger_-: eric, don't tie the hair back, itll never stay, hehe.
4:16:32 PM: Demonger_-: sorry, on the webcam.
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4:22:24 PM:        DLH: hello
4:22:32 PM:   WizardNJ: hiya DLH
4:23:18 PM: Demonger_-: hey
4:24:24 PM:        DLH: Just hanging out in Spokane...   Going to go see Star Trek in a little while
4:26:01 PM: Demonger_-: its good. if you need it let me know, hehe.
4:26:19 PM: Demonger_-: saw it at the theatre a couple of weeks ago.
4:28:36 PM:  redrumloa: eeek!
4:28:43 PM:  redrumloa: Star Trek 90210??
4:29:01 PM: Demonger_-: its either that or reruns, take you pick.
4:29:15 PM:  redrumloa: What about Terminator? I have not seen that yet
4:29:27 PM: Demonger_-: right now its the only boat afloat.
4:29:39 PM: Demonger_-: Yeah I wanna see that one.  Hope to this afternoon.
4:30:39 PM:  redrumloa: I hope it is good, I have been wanting to see this forever
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4:56:01 PM:  redrumloa: Al in the house?
4:58:42 PM:    C4_Expo: Joe JPPBM has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40US with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for your.  NEW Super Snapshot V5.22 $65US  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight. E-Mail/PayPal is:jppbm@rogers.com
5:07:42 PM:     Dragos: i hear there is a special on 1581 kits, this weekend only.....
5:08:02 PM:  redrumloa: That is a hell of a price
5:09:05 PM:  redrumloa: Going back under the knife today!!
5:09:06 PM:  redrumloa: http://redsretro.com/128t-may09/
5:09:12 PM:  redrumloa: More pics soon
5:23:04 PM:  DoppleBBS: Yep... $40 for 1581 kits...
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6:01:52 PM:  redrumloa: Any JiffyDOS experts in the house?
6:10:54 PM:    ShadowM: What's your question, red?
6:12:25 PM:  redrumloa: I am trying to add a JiffyDOS 1571D to my project. It is based on a 128D and I have a SuperCPU 128 hooked up, which should cover kernel jiffydos. If I install the JiffyDOS 1571D, the drive light just stays on and the drive just spins
6:12:47 PM:  redrumloa: I wonder if the 1571D rom is bad?
6:13:37 PM:  DoppleBBS: The D rom should be a switchless type, i think it wasn't much different than a regular 71
6:13:54 PM:  redrumloa: Dopple: the one I have just just a chip
6:14:09 PM:  redrumloa: This MB was a 128DCR
6:14:50 PM:  redrumloa: I am also wonderinf if the SuperCPU built in JiffyDOS is incompatible with the 1571D chip?
6:14:54 PM:  DoppleBBS: yea, the dcr is a total of 2 chips, 1 for the 64/128 kernal and one for the 71 kernal... only the 64/128 rom is switched.
6:15:00 PM:  DoppleBBS: nah, it works
6:15:06 PM:  DoppleBBS: i had mine hooked up to this 128d before
6:15:10 PM:  DoppleBBS: works fine
6:15:22 PM:  DoppleBBS: I'd think you got a bad rom/eprom
6:16:03 PM:             redrumloa nods
6:16:41 PM:    ShadowM: You didn't get the load address bytes burnt to the chip, did you?
6:16:52 PM:  DoppleBBS: good point
6:17:00 PM:  DoppleBBS: make sure it's not 2 bytes too big
6:18:24 PM:  redrumloa: Shadow: I didn;t burn this chip
6:18:44 PM:  DoppleBBS: do u have an eprom programmer?
6:18:45 PM:  redrumloa: It appears to be a cmd original, but no way to know
6:18:49 PM:  redrumloa: No :-/
6:23:47 PM:  DoppleBBS: yea, still could be bad...
6:24:06 PM:  redrumloa: Who is burning them in here nowadays?
6:24:32 PM:  redrumloa: Rather someone from the channel
6:34:58 PM:    ShadowM: http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/c4-2009/IMG_1885-800x600.jpg
6:36:29 PM:  redrumloa: sweet!
6:40:07 PM: Demonger_-: shadowm, so does this mean that brain has worked around the MR issue?
6:49:32 PM:  redrumloa: I always wondered if he simply bought stock and not copyrights
6:50:17 PM:  redrumloa: Hmm.. forgot about that box
6:50:30 PM:  redrumloa: Just found what appears to be a NOS 64C and 128
6:50:43 PM:  redrumloa: Bad ***
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6:56:27 PM:    tone007: badder ***: http://jungle.net/tone/siblingrivalry.jpg
6:56:29 PM:    tone007: ha
6:59:42 PM:  redrumloa: tone: pretty sweet, your pad?
7:00:02 PM:    tone007: a very small section. the only one photo-worthy. ha
7:00:19 PM:  redrumloa: Pretty impressive
7:00:50 PM:      golan: What's shaking, rummy?
7:00:57 PM:    tone007: gotta find a way to get the CDTV, 600, and a 2000 in there. ha
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7:03:37 PM:  redrumloa: Hey Golan:-)
7:03:48 PM:  redrumloa: I'm playing with the project for a change :-D
7:04:07 PM:  redrumloa: Also thinking of getting a 6pack. Something I have done in a long time, have a few brews
7:04:40 PM:    tone007: i bought one of those yesterday. gone already.
7:05:20 PM:    tone007: on to the cooking sherry!
7:20:26 PM:  Hellion_1: There is some Knob Creek Bourbon at C4!!
7:26:33 PM:  redrumloa: MMU128 is installed and working
7:26:34 PM:  redrumloa: http://redsretro.com/128t-may09/128Tmay09c.JPG
7:26:43 PM:  redrumloa: http://redsretro.com/128t-may09/128Tmay09d.JPG
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8:03:30 PM:  redrumloa: sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
8:03:51 PM:  redrumloa: I just found a buttload of jiffydos roms I forgot I had
8:04:03 PM:  redrumloa: Amazing what I find when I look
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8:05:43 PM: Dreamglide: Good evening
8:07:25 PM:  redrumloa: Hi Dreamglider
8:07:36 PM: Dreamglide: does anyone here use 64hdd and xe 1541 cable ?
8:07:39 PM:  redrumloa: We have JiffyDOS!! :banana:
8:08:01 PM:  redrumloa: Dreamglider: I played with it briefly years ago, that was about it
8:08:27 PM: Dreamglide: Oh then you would not know how i can load a file do you ?
8:08:38 PM: Dreamglide: i want to see edge of disgrace on the real thing
8:09:20 PM:  redrumloa: Should be load"blahblah",8,1
8:09:32 PM:  redrumloa: As long as you are in the directory
8:09:39 PM:  redrumloa: Unless you mean mounting a D64
8:09:56 PM:  redrumloa: Or rather, switching to a D64
8:10:08 PM:  redrumloa: That I do not remember on a 64HDD
8:10:35 PM: Dreamglide: 64hdd -xyz -xe -noreset +p 500 +8 c:/64/demofiles
8:10:47 PM: Dreamglide: that's the 64hdd setup
8:10:53 PM: Dreamglide: i have the d64 files in that dir
8:11:13 PM:  redrumloa: Are you registered?
8:11:37 PM: Dreamglide: i have the 64hdd registered yes
8:11:46 PM:  DoppleBBS: i'm freakin' full.
8:13:32 PM:  redrumloa: Dream: I don't remember. You don't have the manual? IIRC there is a PDF of the manual on the website
8:14:06 PM: Dreamglide: how do i list the files in a directroy on a disk ?
8:14:26 PM: Dreamglide: or just list files on a disk
8:15:05 PM:  DoppleBBS: load the .d64 to "mount" it
8:15:38 PM: Dreamglide: i only had a c64gs back in the days, so i never played around with disks.
8:16:08 PM: Dreamglide: DoppleBBS, as in load "edge1.d64",8
8:20:01 PM:  redrumloa: Dream: that should be right
8:20:12 PM:  redrumloa: Then do this
8:20:24 PM:  redrumloa: LOAD "*",8,1
8:22:45 PM:  redrumloa: and possibly after that
8:22:47 PM:  redrumloa: RUN
8:27:03 PM: Dreamglide: load"$eoda.d64",8 (The pc sets drive 8 to c:/64/demodisk/eoda.d64)
8:27:20 PM: Dreamglide: load"*",8 (Loads the d64)
8:28:03 PM: Dreamglide: load"*",8,1 (Commi seems to freeze and 64hdd gives three beeps)
8:28:49 PM: Dreamglide: i tried a "Ducks" demo that came with 64hdd  it worked 
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8:32:21 PM: Dreamglide: does anyone have the pro version, i'd like to give it a try, it has a gui thing that might help me a bit
8:35:47 PM: Dreamglide: reboot
8:37:04 PM:  redrumloa: I suggest getting a uIEC
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8:39:24 PM: Dreamglide: somthing i can download ?
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8:47:23 PM:  redrumloa: No, it is a hardware compact flash reader
8:47:47 PM:  redrumloa: http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/uIEC
8:48:12 PM:  redrumloa: Best on the market IMO and no need for a PC
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9:07:13 PM:     Beeman: hello All
9:08:59 PM:  redrumloa: Hi Beeman
9:09:01 PM:  DoppleBBS: y0
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9:09:31 PM:  lordronin: Hoi gang:
9:09:36 PM:  DoppleBBS: heya lr
9:09:39 PM:  redrumloa: Hey LR!
9:09:43 PM:  lordronin: Hoi Dopple
9:09:49 PM:  lordronin: Hoi redrumloa
9:09:50 PM:     Beeman: Hello LR
9:09:55 PM:  lordronin: Hoi BeeMan
9:10:03 PM:  redrumloa: Good to see people talking :-)
9:10:09 PM:  DoppleBBS: ok, gonna be afk a bit, walking around C4...
9:10:09 PM:  lordronin: just up from doing more GeoWrite stuff
9:10:11 PM:  DoppleBBS: yea :)
9:10:30 PM:  redrumloa: LR: Cool!
9:10:51 PM:  redrumloa: LR: Check this out
9:10:52 PM:  redrumloa: http://redsretro.com/128t-may09/
9:11:04 PM:  redrumloa: That will make a sweet Wheels 128 box
9:11:27 PM:     Beeman: Redrumloa are you getting a lots of rain over there?
9:12:00 PM:  redrumloa: Beeman: Not today, it has been just drizzly. About all of last week was very wet though
9:12:15 PM:  redrumloa: You geeting a lot of rain there, Beeman?
9:12:33 PM:     Beeman: Yes. yes
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9:16:08 PM:  redrumloa: That was fast :-/
9:16:09 PM:  lordronin: Looks great and that monitor is one that I have never seen before.
9:16:54 PM:  redrumloa: LR: It is a Viewsonic 21" CRT, standard SVGA
9:17:23 PM:  lordronin: ah you have a thing that lets the C= use the sVGA?
9:17:46 PM:  LordNLptp: ooh on that viewsonic, turn it off, hold the [1] button and turn it on
9:17:50 PM:  redrumloa: 2 things actially
9:17:52 PM:  LordNLptp: it should display a cool 'debug' screen
9:18:09 PM:  LordNLptp: all viewsonic lcds have a similar debug menu with the [2] button instead
9:18:11 PM:  redrumloa: http://redsretro.com/128t/103_0492.JPG
9:18:23 PM:  redrumloa: http://redsretro.com/128t/103_0491.JPG
9:18:25 PM:  LordNLptp: crts seem to use the [1[ button
9:18:30 PM:  LordNLptp: er [1]
9:18:59 PM:  LordNLptp: sweet, a scan converter
9:19:34 PM:  redrumloa: I have a toggle switch on the front to switch between modes
9:19:44 PM:  LordNLptp: hmm. what brand of converter is that?
9:19:55 PM:  redrumloa: The composite?
9:20:11 PM:  redrumloa: Sadly I don't think it had a name brand
9:20:36 PM:  redrumloa: Just a chinese cheapo selling for CCTV market
9:21:01 PM:  redrumloa: It works well with CRT monitors, but looks not so hot on LCD
9:22:10 PM:  redrumloa: The RGBi one was more expensive
9:22:16 PM:  redrumloa: and had to be modified
9:23:23 PM: Lord_Night: huh, couldn't you have just wired the rgbi one to a circuit to convert rgbi to analog, then wire to a 1 of 2 selector for vga, which the selected one goes to a monitor?
9:23:35 PM: Lord_Night: rgbi-to-analog is not a hard conversion i don't think
9:24:02 PM: Lord_Night: just need to latch values at a fast clock rate, run to a diode and resistor dac
9:24:19 PM:  redrumloa: Lord_N: It would not be 31Khz
9:24:21 PM: Lord_Night: the fun part is if you want to support color 0x06 properly
9:24:36 PM: Lord_Night: in which case you need a prom in there as well
9:25:00 PM: Lord_Night: some multisync monitors i think support that refresh rate?
9:25:24 PM:  redrumloa: Old expensive or new extremely expensive
9:25:48 PM:  redrumloa: I can use any monitor now, though LCD isn't great
9:26:10 PM:  redrumloa: The picture on that Viewsonic is fantastic
9:26:36 PM:  redrumloa: The only thing I regret is no flicker fixer for RGBi interlace modes
9:26:53 PM:  redrumloa: As a matter of fact, they won't even display :-(
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9:28:59 PM:  redrumloa: I may eventually convert an Amiga flicker fixer for the RGBi, but software support for interlace 80 column is almost non-existant
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9:35:35 PM:      golan: BRB.
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9:35:36 PM: Dreamglide: is that a c128 mobo in the case ?
9:36:01 PM:  redrumloa: Dreamglider: It is a C128D
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9:36:29 PM: Dreamglide: redrumloa, allright, i have one too :9
9:36:30 PM: Dreamglide: :)
9:36:38 PM: Dreamglide: in metal case
9:36:55 PM:  redrumloa: Yes, this came from a 128DCR (metal case)
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9:37:13 PM:  redrumloa: re golan
9:37:19 PM:      golan: Hihi.
9:37:58 PM:  redrumloa: Passer-by pushes suicide jumper in south China
9:38:00 PM:  redrumloa: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090523/ap_on_re_as/as_china_suicide_help;_ylt=Aqo8DYAgrBa3Y3Mt02qicGHCw5R4;_ylu=X3oDMTM1anZmb2U4BGFzc2V0Ay9hcC8yMDA5MDUyMy9hcF9vbl9yZV9hcy9hc19jaGluYV9zdWljaWRlX2hlbHAEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwM1BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDcGFzc2VyLWJ5cHVz
9:38:39 PM:  redrumloa: Damn that was a long link, oops
9:40:03 PM:      golan: And the dude he pushed off lived. Fail.
9:40:40 PM:      golan: The problem with pushing a Chinaman off a bridge is that half an hour later you want want to push another one off.
9:40:41 PM:  Hellion_1: Kinda like Golan not coming to C4. FAIL
9:40:55 PM:     Dragos: burn.
9:41:06 PM:      golan: Too soon? Probably. Racist? No doubt. Oh well.
9:41:42 PM:  redrumloa: I got nothing against the chinese masses.
9:41:50 PM:  redrumloa: Their gov, another story
9:42:30 PM:    ShadowM: seen on the wall at C=4: http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/c4-2009/IMG_1888-800x600.jpg
9:44:28 PM:      golan: I live a few doors down from the Chinese consulate. There has been an unmarked RCMP (the Canadian equivalent of the FBI) SUV with dudes armed with submachine guns sat out from for month and months. The last few weeks they had a marked Toronto police car too.
9:45:39 PM:      golan: Last week I brought them coffee and doughnuts and they seemed genuinely pleased.
9:45:52 PM:    tone007: "Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature.
9:46:19 PM:      golan: Yes!
9:47:12 PM:      golan: tone: That guy didn't build the railroads.
9:47:27 PM:      golan: Shadow: That JiffyDOS news is good and bad.
9:48:36 PM:  redrumloa: Golan: I will be happy to legally buy JiffyDOS
9:49:06 PM:    tone007: i'd trade all my amiga stuff for this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130307551282
9:49:54 PM:     Dragos: what is the bad news
9:50:09 PM:      golan: I'm sure many will be. The catch is that if JB is involved it will make the pirating of JD somewhat distasteful.
9:50:32 PM:      golan: It ain't going to stop it though.
9:51:02 PM:    tone007: jim will drive his truck over the violating ROM burners.
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9:51:35 PM:     jasmaz: Hi
9:51:45 PM:    ShadowM: I'll let Jim give the details, I just posted a link to the picture shining on the wall :)
9:51:52 PM:     Dragos: inoone can complain if their pirate version has issues though
9:52:02 PM:     Dragos: jim will be supporting it 
9:52:21 PM:    tone007: that's the trick with these new ethernet boards he put together.
9:52:39 PM:    tone007: they check your jiffydos, and if it's pirated he gets an email.
9:53:05 PM:  redrumloa: Distasteful? It will make it wrong
9:53:28 PM:  redrumloa: The prices I see are fair
9:53:42 PM:  lordronin: put that in our next newsletter, Thanks ShadowM
9:53:48 PM:      golan: Don't misunderstand me. I think it's great that people who can't make their own will have a place to buy it but many won't bother.
9:54:41 PM:  redrumloa: Golan: That is kind of like music piracy. If you really like the band, buy the CD
9:54:51 PM:      golan: I'm not discussing ethics because that's stupid. I'm making a predicition.
9:54:58 PM:  redrumloa: Gotcha
9:55:23 PM:  redrumloa: Well, Brain could go after them if he wanted
9:55:25 PM:      golan: Personally, I couldn't give a rat's *** but power to him. 
9:55:57 PM:      golan: redrum: Yeah, good luck with that.
9:56:16 PM:  redrumloa: I know
9:56:39 PM:  redrumloa: There will always be people who will pirate, because they can
9:56:45 PM:  redrumloa: But that gets into ethics
9:56:56 PM:  redrumloa: I'm not trying to act high and mighty
9:57:21 PM:  redrumloa: I just happen to believe in supporting the 8bit market where I can
9:57:45 PM:      golan: You have a bias.
9:58:17 PM:      golan: (You can take the boy out of law school...)
9:58:48 PM:  redrumloa: Maybe I do, but I don't have a stake in software to often
9:59:17 PM:  redrumloa: Then again, I wouldn't mind reselling software so I probably have bias
10:00:03 PM:  redrumloa: I see availability (legally) as a sign of a healthy market
10:01:13 PM:  redrumloa: Again though, i am not without sin there. I pirated any software I could as a kid in the 80's
10:01:16 PM:      golan: I'll admit that I'll be glad to have somewhere to point folks who want JD rather than having to explain how to make their own. :)
10:01:30 PM:      golan: And if JB makes a nickel, so much the better.
10:01:40 PM:             redrumloa nods
10:04:16 PM:             _brain_ will focus on delivering solutions first, worrying about issue later.
10:06:32 PM:      golan: Yeah, well, you're long on delivering.
10:07:16 PM:    _brain_: OK, so who has questions?  I'll try to answer what I can.
10:07:36 PM:      golan: Does Maurice know?
10:08:36 PM:  redrumloa: Yeah, buring question is the MR issue
10:08:44 PM:    _brain_: Mark Fellows has alerted Maurice via registered mail.
10:08:51 PM:  redrumloa: Did MR not have copyright? Just a license?
10:08:57 PM:    _brain_: correct.
10:09:09 PM:  redrumloa: Brain: Fantastic news
10:09:21 PM:      golan: Next question: Is this a first step towards a larger licensing agreement?
10:09:27 PM:    _brain_: :-)
10:09:35 PM:    _brain_: give that man a prize.
10:09:51 PM:             redrumloa falls to the floor
10:10:10 PM:  redrumloa: Blockbuster news
10:10:11 PM:    _brain_: Rome was not built in a day, though
10:10:16 PM:             golan puts the trophy with the others and requests to treat the witness as hostile
10:10:55 PM:  redrumloa: In Brain I trust
10:11:51 PM:      golan: That's good general advice.
10:11:56 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: any new features and stuff expcted? :)
10:12:17 PM:    _brain_: Well, ROM overlay images will be for sale, which is new.
10:12:18 PM:             lordronin even puts down his pipe at that great new
10:13:15 PM:  redrumloa: Brain: You know this question will come from me. Will you be handling distribution by yourself, or will you need resellers?
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10:14:20 PM:  redrumloa: Hi WW
10:14:45 PM:    _brain_: Redrumloa, that is a very good question.  Let me see if the license covers that.
10:14:58 PM:    _brain_: I honestly didn;t think that through (we're still navigating the options)
10:15:41 PM:    _brain_: I think something can be arranged.
10:16:57 PM:  redrumloa: Sweet, hopefully we'll be talking
10:17:14 PM:    _brain_: My first priority is to manufacture and deliver something first.
10:18:09 PM:    _brain_: I will be using a different technology for the units, though:  www.jbrain.com
10:18:21 PM:    _brain_: ROM-el will be used to deliver the product.
10:18:54 PM:    _brain_: The original EPROMs are too manual labor intensive.
10:19:35 PM:  lordronin: Like to get a set for my SX-64
10:19:46 PM:  lordronin: Not smart enough to burn the eprom myself
10:19:55 PM:  DragonFlu: cheaper than maurice? :P
10:21:19 PM:  lordronin: cheaper probably but one smeg of a hell lot faster to see product in hand
10:21:57 PM:  redrumloa: Brain: I like where all this is going and we know your capability. If SuperCPU is in your future, just keep in mind Cameleon will be out one day (soon?). SuperCPU can still be a superior product in many aspects.
10:22:36 PM:  weirdwolf: Brain: Do you have authorization to make all the CMD line?
10:23:03 PM:  redrumloa: I shouldn't dogpile on Brain, I am just thinking at the possibilities here
10:23:13 PM:  LordNLptp: what is rom-el? sounds like something out of a dc comic
10:24:12 PM:             _brain_ is looking at MR's prices.
10:24:45 PM:    _brain_: www.jbrain.com -> ROM-el
10:25:21 PM:  DragonFlu: I think it was 40 if I remember right brainb
10:25:23 PM:  DragonFlu: -b
10:25:27 PM:             lordronin interested in being able to tell user group members they can get Geos & Wheels again. Even if he has to be the one to legally ncopy the disks for them
10:26:49 PM:      golan: ROM-el is one of the more interesting things JB has done lately.
10:26:58 PM:      golan: Much fun can be had.
10:27:26 PM:  weirdwolf: golan: Just looked at his design. I can agree with your sentiments.
10:28:30 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: what does it do?  I looked at it but I'm not exactly a hardware guy....
10:29:00 PM:  weirdwolf: Flashed based rom Fuzz.
10:29:10 PM:  weirdwolf: You can flash your code to it.
10:29:18 PM:  weirdwolf: Am I wrong Brain?
10:29:55 PM:    _brain_: Looks like my price estimates are the same.
10:30:10 PM:    _brain_: You can flash your own code to ROM-el, if you want.
10:30:19 PM:    _brain_: It's just a FLASH/EEPROM unit at the core.
10:30:34 PM:    _brain_: I'm just licensing specific content for it.
10:30:44 PM:    _brain_: But, I'll sell it empty if people want to buy
10:31:58 PM:      golan: That's the fun I was thinking about. Use JD most of the time and you can easily play with Dolphin DOS or whatever you like and then go back to JD. Is nice!
10:32:07 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: i see
10:39:56 PM:  weirdwolf: golan: do you mean flip by a switch between rom images? Or just continue to reburn code on to the flash?
10:44:25 PM:    C4_Expo: Joe JPPBM has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40US with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for you.  NEW Super Snapshot V5.22 $65US  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight. E-Mail/PayPal is:jppbm@rogers.com
10:44:28 PM:    C4_Expo: Joe JPPBM has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40US with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for you.  NEW Super Snapshot V5.22 $65US  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight. E-Mail/PayPal is:jppbm@rogers.com
10:44:34 PM:    C4_Expo: Joe JPPBM has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40US with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for you.  NEW Super Snapshot V5.22 $65US  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight. E-Mail/PayPal is:jppbm@rogers.com
10:45:00 PM:    C4_Expo: sorry
10:49:04 PM:  DragonFlu: lol
10:49:10 PM:  DragonFlu: I so almost killed u :P
10:49:15 PM:             DragonFlu smirks
10:49:21 PM:  weirdwolf: Its ok C4_expo.. :)
10:49:29 PM:  DragonFlu: took me a second to realize that was snog
10:49:29 PM:  DragonFlu: hehe
10:49:45 PM:  weirdwolf: Yeah, I knew it was Snogpitch.
10:49:47 PM:      golan: Someone has been into the Gentlemen Jack.
10:50:00 PM:  weirdwolf: Guess I knew it from last year.
10:50:14 PM:  weirdwolf: How is the internet access over there Snogpitch or any one else?
10:50:23 PM:  DragonFlu: naw I knew it was him, just saw the urls, etc, took me a second to see his nick among it
10:52:52 PM:  weirdwolf: Ahh. Blink Factor.
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11:13:18 PM:    C4_Expo: Do you mean the wireless access?  Nobody seems to have issue with it this year, compared to a couple years ago
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11:22:08 PM:   _Hershey: Hi all
11:22:42 PM:    C4_Expo: Howdy _Hershey
11:23:08 PM:  weirdwolf: Hey hershy. Nice to see you again. LTNS
11:24:03 PM:             golan watches Minority Report
11:24:47 PM:  weirdwolf: That's a good movie. Have not seen in it in a year though.
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11:26:41 PM:   Wildstar: hello
11:27:58 PM:   Wildstar: Hello redrumloa
11:28:05 PM:  weirdwolf: Wildstar
11:28:18 PM:   Wildstar: How's it going?
11:28:48 PM:  weirdwolf: Oh, the usual.
11:28:57 PM:  weirdwolf: Travel, travel, travel and more traveling.
11:29:01 PM:   Wildstar: Ah, ok.
11:29:11 PM:   Wildstar: Must enjoy the traveling
11:29:34 PM:  weirdwolf: No, just have to. Family mostly now.
11:30:02 PM:   Wildstar: Hehehe... yeo
11:30:05 PM:   Wildstar: yep
11:31:17 PM:   Wildstar: I just been a little busy.
11:31:23 PM:  weirdwolf: I see.
11:31:41 PM:  weirdwolf: Well I have to get going guys. Have to go to the store, then get to bed. 
11:31:43 PM:  weirdwolf: ttyl
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12:01:00 AM:    _brain_: Reword the posting, Glenn...
12:01:02 AM:    _brain_: :-)
12:01:11 AM:    _brain_: All caps is frowned upon in postings.
12:01:46 AM:    _brain_: It depends on the terms
12:03:24 AM:    ShadowM: No, it's a historical document and must appear exactly as it did on the wall at Belshazzar's feast!
12:04:13 AM:    C4_Expo: or the 15 commandments...
12:05:52 AM:    ShadowM: Besides, it looks like a telegram.
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12:11:06 AM:             geneb waves
12:18:01 AM:    C4_Expo: /me JPPBM can be seen on cam getting another Gentlemens 
12:18:52 AM:    C4_Expo: Jack and coke...
12:19:51 AM:      geneb: hehe
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12:50:26 AM:    C4_Expo: Howdy jonnosan
12:52:52 AM:    C4_Expo: Joe JPPBM has a weekend special.  1581 kits are $40US with psu.  Just get a C4 attendee to pick it up for you.  NEW Super Snapshot V5.22 $65US  Must paypal JPPBM by tonight. E-Mail/PayPal is:jppbm@rogers.com
12:54:30 AM: _Commodore: hello
12:54:48 AM: _Commodore: is jim brain going to be selling jiffydos roms?
1:04:42 AM:    C4_Expo: looks like it
1:05:57 AM:    _brain_: :-)
1:06:09 AM: _Commodore: well, it looks like I will have to update my website then ;-)
1:07:23 AM: _Commodore: Maurice opens the letter... the look on his face would be priceless :-)
1:13:28 AM:   Wildstar: Interesting.
1:13:53 AM:   Wildstar: Let me get this straight.... what's the news here
1:17:34 AM: _Commodore: Ok, I've quickly updated my webpage and linked to jbrain.com for JiffyDOS "enquiries"
1:19:57 AM:    C4_Expo: News is: I have a couple of 81kits left! ....$40US  (reg.$49.95ea) You want, then PayPal me tonight!
1:25:10 AM: _Commodore: JB getting the CMD rights is the best news ever for our community.
1:25:29 AM: _Commodore: (ok maybe not ever but it helps)
1:29:47 AM:  DoppleBBS: ok, time to sleep... g'nite everyone...
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1:45:22 AM:   Wildstar: Jim Brain got the rights from CMD?
1:47:57 AM:      golan: In essence.
1:49:04 AM:   Wildstar: Ok, in essense. I believe it either is or isn't. Maybe, Jim Brain can clarify me.
1:49:48 AM:      golan: I don't think anyone can clarify you.
1:50:42 AM:   Wildstar: golan, how about yes or no or an explanation. Don't give me a bunch of lip. Just the facts.
1:52:05 AM:             Fuzz-PSW casts clarify level 3 on Wildstar
1:52:06 AM:      golan: What can I say that has not already been said and you failed to comprehend?
1:53:16 AM:   Fuzz-PSW: good night all
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1:58:51 AM:   Wildstar: Ok, golan.... I haven't been reading the IRC Channel for most of the day.
2:01:06 AM:      golan: Use the logs, Luke.
2:01:24 AM:   Wildstar: You could have just pointed me to: http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/c4-2009/IMG_1888-800x600.jpg W
2:02:07 AM:   Wildstar: Which would have saved a little bit of headache.
2:03:28 AM:   Wildstar: I don't want or care to (as with most folks) weed through a bunch of other conversations. My log file is several megs large.
2:03:50 AM:      golan: Why do you keep a log then?
2:04:32 AM:      golan: As for pointing you places, I felt that you would find it more personally rewarding and enriching to figure things out for yourself. You know, to help you grow as a person.
2:05:01 AM:   Wildstar: Unless, I absolutely have to and for record keeping of conversations but at 11.6 MBytes - it is a daunting task to read through.
2:05:49 AM:   Wildstar: If Fuzz or anyone asked you - would you have simply given the link to?
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2:10:50 AM:   Wildstar: I apologize if I came off grumpy or such, it is sometimes just plain decent & friendly to just provide the info. Isn't that what this community suppose to be?
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2:12:28 AM:   Wildstar: As for the news, I am happy to hear.
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2:17:41 AM:   jonnosan: looks like still a few ppl hanging round the expo - what time would it be there?
2:20:15 AM:        DLH: 1:19am I think
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2:22:24 AM:    C4_Expo: show is closing doors for the night...I have 2 ssv5.22 lefrt and 3 1581 kits...payPal tonight.....L8R!
2:24:01 AM:   Wildstar: Ok, I re-subscribed to Homestead.
2:26:09 AM: Info-Seeke: I would love a super snapshot, but 65 is still high
2:26:24 AM: Info-Seeke: why is it so high when most other carts are so much cheaper now?
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2:29:49 AM:        DLH: I got one for $24.50 on ebay recently
2:29:56 AM:        DLH: been a rash of them
2:30:00 AM:   Wildstar: I-S, are you basing new produced cartridges from Ebay'd cartridges produced 20 years ago?
2:30:19 AM:   Wildstar: Or others even 5 or 10 years ago
2:31:27 AM: Info-Seeke: I am basing it on being expensive
2:31:43 AM: Info-Seeke: why do you always have to be argumentative
2:31:49 AM: Info-Seeke: its expensive for a cart
2:31:51 AM: Info-Seeke: period
2:31:55 AM: Info-Seeke: now or 50 years ago
2:32:12 AM:   Wildstar: PCB production and plastic case molding is expensive in low quantity production. period
2:32:31 AM: Info-Seeke: **** off dude, and quit talking out your ***
2:32:51 AM: Info-Seeke: I just had 1000 of my own pcbs made for an xbox360 part and they cost me like $2 each
2:33:20 AM: Info-Seeke: boxes were another 2 bux each, and they were milled to fit my board with cutouts
2:33:29 AM: Info-Seeke: so don't tell me about your imaginary ****
2:33:41 AM:   Wildstar: The point is, these things are usually produced at 100 unit batches plus paying part of the persons time to design the unit
2:35:14 AM: Info-Seeke: you remind me of kyle's dog on soutpark... now... DON'T Be GAY!
2:35:23 AM: Info-Seeke: SouthPark
2:35:34 AM:        DLH: http://www.jrok.com/hardware/wsf/
2:35:51 AM:        DLH: guess how much that board cost in batches of 100 assembled?
2:36:20 AM:   jonnosan: $250?
2:36:38 AM:        DLH: less than $25 each
2:37:18 AM:        DLH: sells for $150
2:37:56 AM:   Wildstar: Most of the vendors that these people get the PCB produced aren't cheap. It cost me $20-30 per board to have my two USB/SD boards 'blank" in a production run of around 100. The board was designed by Thierry Nouspikel for TI-99/4A - That was back about 5 years
2:38:26 AM: Info-Seeke: neat
2:39:07 AM:   jonnosan: so 500% margin
2:39:36 AM:   Wildstar: Not all PCB makers are equal in price. I know. Do figure that these people put a markup for the board. Don't forget the chips also.
2:40:47 AM:   jonnosan: my 3 yr old is insisting on watching " play him off keyboard cat" again
2:40:55 AM:        DLH: $25 icludes the pcb and all parts assembled professionally
2:41:31 AM:   Wildstar: Some of the folks designing the cartridges put the chips on themselves and has to order the chips from separate vendors
2:41:51 AM:   Wildstar: Look at Jens
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3:09:30 AM: dmackey828: Great News, Guess I'll be buying my JD Roms from Mr BRAIN sometime soon.
3:09:47 AM: Info-Seeke: congrads
3:12:57 AM: dmackey828: Now I can "GIVE UP" trying to make my own... PISSED me off big time.
3:13:15 AM: dmackey828: Tossed the Promenade C1 into the juck box for now..
3:14:05 AM: Info-Seeke: see if you can make me some amiga kickstart roms
3:14:11 AM: Info-Seeke: thats what I would like to make
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3:46:40 AM:     Moloch: http://www.zitzot.com/3-year-old-toddler-buys-12k-digger-online/
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6:25:30 AM: _Commodore: From what I can gather, the Promenade is an overpriced POS.
6:41:38 AM:   jonnosan: what is the promenade
6:41:40 AM:   jonnosan: ?
6:56:34 AM:    mechlt1: promenade is a good eprom burner
7:01:26 AM: _Commodore: Compared to what?
7:01:45 AM:    mechlt1: datel
7:02:02 AM:    mechlt1: i've used a promenade for many years.burned many a eproms
7:02:35 AM:    mechlt1: the datel one was a problem child
7:03:07 AM:    mechlt1: i've burned everything from jiffydos to 2091 roms on the promendae
7:03:17 AM: _Commodore: I'm sure in it's day it was a good burner but now there are cheaper and better options
7:03:43 AM:    mechlt1: well,i paid $25 for my promenade way back when
7:03:56 AM:    mechlt1: for c64,its the best one
7:04:20 AM:    mechlt1: i use a bpmicrosystems bp-1600 to do big roms tho
7:04:54 AM: _Commodore: Sure, I agree there, but I wouldn't trade my AUD$20 Willem programmer for a Promenade.
7:05:03 AM:    mechlt1: i have a willem,its a pos
7:05:34 AM: _Commodore: Mine has been flawless, and so easy to use.
7:06:06 AM:    mechlt1: my bp doesnt need adapters for most ,handles up to 48 pins
7:06:14 AM:    mechlt1: no switches to set etc
7:06:31 AM: _Commodore: yeah, but it didn't cost $20 either ;-)
7:06:44 AM:    mechlt1: $100
7:06:52 AM:    mechlt1: i bought it used of course
7:08:09 AM: _Commodore: $100US vs $20AUD is quite a difference
7:08:41 AM:    mechlt1: dunno why u say the promenade is junk,it does everything it was designed to do,and the fast that mine still works after 20+ years i think is amazing
7:09:08 AM:    mechlt1: yea,it is,but have u done any pals/gals or 42 pin eproms on the willem?
7:09:24 AM:    groepaz: how does it compare to the quickbyte-ii ?
7:09:25 AM:    mechlt1: fast=fact
7:09:28 AM: _Commodore: never needed to
7:09:45 AM:    mechlt1: groepaz:never used a quickbyte
7:10:20 AM:    groepaz: i've never even seen a promenade... sounds like an US only thing :)
7:10:25 AM: _Commodore: how many pals/gals and 42 pin eproms have you done on a Promenade?
7:10:56 AM:    mechlt1: groepaz:they were popular in the us. but i've seen them for sale on german ebay
7:11:25 AM:    mechlt1: clocky,wasnt saying the promenade will do pals/gals,my bp does tho
7:12:13 AM: _Commodore: my point is that the new Promenade is significantly more expensive then my Willem, yet supports fewer roms
7:13:05 AM:    mechlt1: new
7:13:07 AM:    mechlt1: ?
7:13:17 AM: _Commodore: If i had wanted pal/gal programming features I would not have bought a willem but paid significantly more for a programmer that supported those
7:13:24 AM:    mechlt1: it hasnt been made in 20 yrs,unless were talking about something else?
7:13:54 AM: _Commodore: yes, the new Promenade clone like the one Charles Gutman has bought recently
7:14:03 AM:    mechlt1: ah havent seen it
7:14:45 AM: _Commodore: I think it was being sold for something like $90 US
7:15:10 AM:    mechlt1: ah
7:15:29 AM:    mechlt1: i guess its for diehards that wanna do epros on c64
7:16:00 AM:    mechlt1: groepaz: u have any links to the quickbyte? 
7:16:25 AM:    groepaz: not really
7:17:24 AM: _Commodore: not sure if dmackey bought a new one, but as a noob the Promenade is not as user friendly as say a Willem. I burnt my first JD ROM minutes after receiving it in the post and I didn't have a clue really.
7:17:49 AM:    mechlt1: it is if you use prom-aid prog with it
7:18:11 AM: _Commodore: dmackey couldn't figure it out ;-)
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7:18:41 AM:    mechlt1: the original software was alot harder
7:20:08 AM: Info-Seeke: I mostly want 1 for making kickstart roms for the amigas
7:23:09 AM:   jonnosan: any recommendation for a usb programmer that will work on vista?
7:23:39 AM:   jonnosan: i used a willem for a while but don't have anything with a parallell port anymore
7:24:02 AM: _Commodore: ah, well for kickstart roms you need a rather pricey adapter for the willem so I wouldn't recommend it for that
7:25:18 AM:   jonnosan: i bought two cheap chinese things from ebay - 1 wouldn't work on vista (didn't have the right drivers), the other one worked really well but i appear to have lost it in recent move and can't remember what the brand was. 
7:25:27 AM: _Commodore: ah, I use an old laptop in my shed for epromming/star commander etc. It has USB/serial/Parallel/IR and a network card so it's pretty useful for an old P233
7:26:57 AM:   jonnosan: i've tried to cut down on the number of old boxes in my life to the 'bare minimum' (3 apple clones, 2 c64s, 2 cpm 'luggables' and an IBM 5155)
7:27:51 AM:   jonnosan: which leaves me with no eprom burning options anymore
7:27:53 AM: _Commodore: my neat trick is to do the editing using winhex on my XP box in my home office, then using networking transfer the file, and using remote desktop I program the chip. By the time I get to the shed to plug it in, it's ready to go.
7:28:05 AM:   jonnosan: heh cute
7:28:48 AM:   jonnosan: all you need is a pully system so you don't need to get to the shed at all
7:29:01 AM: _Commodore: remote control robot arm
7:29:09 AM: _Commodore: :-)
7:29:33 AM:       mech: hehe
7:30:08 AM: _Commodore: Well, with #2 on the way I'll probably be converting the shed into a hobby/games room.
7:30:21 AM: _Commodore: I can move in permanently :-)
7:31:02 AM:   jonnosan: let me know how that works out for you :-)
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7:31:27 AM: _Commodore: he he
7:32:19 AM: _Commodore: I've taken to using eeproms instead of eproms. Saves so much time.
7:32:34 AM:   jonnosan: btw does this seem like overkill to you? http://www.jbrain.com/?p=21
7:32:59 AM:   jonnosan: are 27xxxx really getting more expensive than flash?
7:33:16 AM:       mech: used eproms are still dirt cheap
7:33:18 AM: _Commodore: not really, and how much is this adapter?
7:35:30 AM: _Commodore: I paid $10AUD for 25 27cxxx used EPROMS
7:35:43 AM: _Commodore: sorry, $10US
7:36:10 AM:       mech: the benifiet of flash is u can program it in system probabaly
7:37:28 AM:   jonnosan: yes
7:37:51 AM: _Commodore: should be no differnt to a eeprom with only a slight mod  to the existing adapters and the right software
7:38:07 AM:   jonnosan: not disputing the field updatability, just surprised that it is viewed as cost equivalent to a 27xxxx
7:38:31 AM: _Commodore: how many times would you want to flash JD? It seems like overkill.
7:39:28 AM:       mech: jonnosan: also an adapter,since 2764 isnt pin compatible to old c64 rom
7:39:36 AM:   jonnosan: hmm... looking on futurlec, $AUD 7.00 for a 2732 (i.e. 32Kb ==  4KB) - maybe he does have a point
7:40:11 AM: _Commodore: how much is the flash ROM?
7:40:32 AM:   jonnosan: only a few wires different though - be 10 minutes work to mod 
7:40:38 AM: _Commodore: anyway, look for 27c256
7:40:51 AM: _Commodore: www.users.on.net/~clockmeister
7:40:55 AM: _Commodore: my JD's
7:41:06 AM:       mech: 2764 in jameco is about $4.95 ea new
7:41:09 AM:   jonnosan: 2M for $9.3 AUD
7:41:17 AM:       mech: $3.21 if u buy 100 tho
7:41:54 AM:       mech: ironically,27c256 is $2.25 for one..
7:42:06 AM:       mech: $1.99 in 100
7:42:08 AM: _Commodore: if you source an asian supplier, you can get them much cheaper again in bulk
7:42:12 AM:       mech: seems cheap enough
7:42:23 AM: _Commodore: 27c256 is perfect for JiffyDOS
7:42:31 AM:       mech: yea,these are new and in the us
7:42:36 AM:   jonnosan: on futurelec the price for 1 2764 ranges from $4.05 to $6.03 depending on speed
7:42:42 AM:       mech: even at $1.99 thats not bad
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7:43:19 AM:   jonnosan: and 27c256 goes for $2.43 to $6.62
7:43:20 AM:    tone007: the FIOS is down!
7:43:29 AM:    tone007: i consider this an affront to my dignity.
7:43:35 AM:   jonnosan: FIOS?
7:43:57 AM:    tone007: fiber optic internet service
7:44:17 AM: _Commodore: oh
7:44:19 AM:    tone007: i think this is the first outage in 2 years.
7:44:24 AM:   jonnosan: shouldn't that be FOIS?
7:44:38 AM:    tone007: i'm not sure what fios stands for
7:44:40 AM:    tone007: but it's internet.
7:44:46 AM:    tone007: and it's fiber optic.
7:44:56 AM: _Commodore: Fibre Internet Optic service?
7:45:23 AM: _Commodore: Sounds like an online bowel and eye specialist
7:45:45 AM:   jonnosan: and it's down
7:46:11 AM:    tone007: luckily my cellphone gives me a T1.
7:46:11 AM: _Commodore: traffic constipation
7:46:50 AM: _Commodore: wow, you must be reading IRC faster then we are typing it ;-)
7:47:59 AM:    tone007: i always try to be a step ahead.
8:01:18 AM:   jonnosan: looks like everyone's connection is down now. 
8:01:26 AM:   jonnosan: or maybe, nobody has anything to say
8:07:37 AM:    tone007: ha, commodore 64 system on freecycle.
8:12:42 AM:   PhotoJim: it's early still in some places.  if I were at home it would be 6:12 am.
8:18:41 AM:    ShadowM: It's not as early here at C=4 as it is on the machine at home I'm SSH'd into for irssi, I'm all confused...
8:19:21 AM:   PhotoJim: yes, I'm in EDT but my irssi machine is at home in CST
8:19:31 AM:   PhotoJim: and this afternoon I'll be in NDT, to make it even more confusing
8:19:48 AM:   PhotoJim: so it's 4:19 at home and 6:19 here but 7:49 where I'm going :)
8:20:10 AM:    ShadowM: Stop, I'm going to get dizzy and throw up.
8:20:17 AM:   PhotoJim: Heh.
8:21:47 AM:   PhotoJim: what time zone is Cincinnati in?  EDT?
8:22:00 AM:   PhotoJim: (C4 is in Cincinnati right?)
8:22:35 AM:    ShadowM: US Eastern, right.
8:22:56 AM:    ShadowM: 08:22 here.
8:23:07 AM:   PhotoJim: 8:22 here too.  Canadian EDT :)
8:23:29 AM:   PhotoJim: but we don't go on daylight time in Saskatchewan, hence the two-hour difference when it's only one to Chicago, in the same time zone.
8:23:52 AM:             ShadowM throws up
8:24:43 AM:   PhotoJim: oh well, just be glad ConUS only has four time zones.  We have six.