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8:51:33 PM: *** Topic for #c64friends: We Adore Our C64 = = and Q-Link!!
8:51:33 PM: #c64friends: Snogpitch madcrow +antares51 dr_video @al MikeAZ1 mech2 jbevren Pelleas mech @Moloch lo @DLH tone007 @golan jackleg +_Commodore_ Wildstar PhotoJim _Fungus_ Blacky_Stardust +groepaz gsteemso redrumloa mechLT @ShadowM +Lord_Nightmare @IanC scrchr techknight questor Info-Seeker masterhit lowlevel @Dragos Steve[cug] FireflyST pAth0s _brain_ @Eddie 
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8:51:41 PM:  redrumloa: Well no PPC support for WinUAE
8:51:44 PM:  redrumloa: Snog
8:51:54 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy folks
8:51:54 PM:   Wildstar: The SNES, I'd have the real thing but I want a nice mass storage for it.
8:52:11 PM:  redrumloa: Snog: http://redsretro.com/128t/current1.JPG
8:52:32 PM:    madcrow: wildstar, you're 100% right
8:52:32 PM:    madcrow: my pc is far from stout, however
8:52:32 PM:    madcrow: Athlon Xp 3000+, 1 GB RAM
8:53:12 PM:    madcrow: i think a cool project would be to make a hadware/software combo for the snes that makes it into a "real" computer
8:53:13 PM:  redrumloa: I dropped some $$$ this time and built a stout PC
8:53:30 PM:  redrumloa: Intel Core2 Quad Q67000 @2.66Ghz
8:53:42 PM:  redrumloa: 4GB of DDR3
8:53:50 PM:   Wildstar: One might say a PPC Amiga isn't a true Amiga unless it is a real Amiga like A1200 with PPC card
8:55:02 PM:   Wildstar: If anyone has an Alienware or Commodore XX system or similar equipped system... yeah Stout
8:55:20 PM: Info-Seeke: I wouldn't mind having a ppc 1200
8:55:21 PM:  antares51: Good evening Mr. Witmer, sir.
8:55:31 PM: Info-Seeke: but it is cheaper to do a mac mini
8:56:12 PM:   Wildstar: I'd love to have either a PPC, a G card are an x86 card (using say a Transmeta Crusoe)
8:56:29 PM:    madcrow: cruesoe performed like garbage
8:56:50 PM:   Wildstar: 1 sec
8:57:36 PM:  antares51: Inmos transputer running Helios.
8:57:46 PM:    madcrow: at the moment, i'd love a real hardware c64 if i could find room in the house
8:58:01 PM:    madcrow: the more i do the less emulation cuts it for me
8:58:36 PM:   Wildstar:  The reason I say crusoe, is that I don't recall it requiring a heatsink
8:58:54 PM:  antares51: Correct.
8:58:55 PM:   Wildstar: or is a power hog.
9:00:36 PM:   Wildstar: That way, I could use it in the CPU slot while keeping my Amiga 1200 in it's existing case. That is all. I don't know how one would go about engineering sucha card but if someone has the skills, they might have a chance.
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9:01:15 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy Schema 
9:01:25 PM:  antares51: Hello Leif.
9:01:42 PM:    madcrow: hey
9:02:06 PM:   Wildstar: If there is any faster cpus that doesn't require a heatsink or draws any more power then a Transmeta cpu then I'd go with it in a heart beat if one can engineer such a card.
9:02:12 PM:  redrumloa: No one here has an answer on parallel connection between 2 C= disk drives?
9:02:35 PM: Info-Seeke: what's the question?
9:03:01 PM:   Wildstar: uh?
9:03:10 PM:  redrumloa: What are the advantages to having a parallel connection between 2 drives? Just a couple copy programs?
9:03:48 PM:   Wildstar: parallel vs. digital... 8x data transfer rate... maybe.
9:03:58 PM:   Wildstar: grr...
9:04:05 PM:   Wildstar: serial not digital
9:05:09 PM: Info-Seeke: I do not know bud
9:05:48 PM:   Wildstar: I can see a fast drive to drive transfer if it doesn't interrupt the serial bus
9:06:04 PM: Info-Seeke: I am not even sure how you would hook up 2 drives in parallel
9:06:36 PM:   Wildstar: It wouldn't be a far stretch off the dual drive systems of the PET.
9:07:03 PM: Info-Seeke: check this out
9:07:04 PM: Info-Seeke: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110359148095
9:07:12 PM:  redrumloa: Got this from google:
9:07:13 PM:  redrumloa: http://sta.c64.org/cbmpar.html
9:07:32 PM: Info-Seeke: I scored 2 of these, but 6 button with the rapid fire and other controls for each button
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9:07:46 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy dslman2009 
9:07:50 PM:       mech: i used to use the datel parallel cable
9:08:03 PM:       mech: for nibbling games etc
9:08:14 PM: dslman2009: hey snogpitch been awhile
9:08:33 PM: *dslman2009 (pirc@NewNet-F5252A60.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com)* got a c64 system again
9:09:03 PM: *dslman2009 (pirc@NewNet-F5252A60.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com)* trying to run abbs again
9:09:05 PM:  Snogpitch: I'm here most weekends....
9:09:12 PM: dslman2009: cool
9:09:16 PM:   Wildstar: The obvious is if you can send data from the I/O controller from the get go in parallel to another drive in parallel, my understanding is that you would get at least 8x (8-bit parallel) faster trafer rate.
9:09:55 PM:     Schema: Well, since each C= drive is a computer in and of itself, I don't see why you couldn't do an inter-drive parallel cable for fast copying.  I hadn't thought of that before.
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9:11:23 PM:   Wildstar: In theory, you can make a C-One into a disk drive controller on steroids.
9:14:14 PM:   Wildstar: Could someone fudge a parallel port onto a 1541 controller board without loosing the serial pass-thru?
9:14:19 PM:  Snogpitch: Kind of expensive disk drive for that purpose, Nick Coplin talked briefly about doing a 64hdd for C-One, that hasn't seen the light of day, yet that I am aware of
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9:14:48 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy CurtisP 
9:15:01 PM:  redrumloa: Snog: I am wondering if uIEC is probably better for the C-One than 64HDD
9:15:08 PM:   Wildstar: I'd love to work with such a software with Nick Coplin for my C-One.
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9:15:31 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy Fuzz-PSW 
9:15:35 PM:   Wildstar: hey Fuzz.
9:15:37 PM:  redrumloa: Fuzz
9:15:37 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: hey guys
9:15:55 PM:  redrumloa: Al: What do you want a pic of?
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9:16:23 PM:  redrumloa: Hi beenman
9:16:30 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy BeeMan 
9:16:32 PM:     BeeMan: Hello ALL
9:18:40 PM: dslman2009: hi beeman
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9:28:19 PM:    madcrow: hey all again
9:31:16 PM:    madcrow: just been monkeying around with the amiga install
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9:38:47 PM:    madcrow: oh well. i have to go. i hate daylight saving time...
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9:40:52 PM:  lordronin: Hoi Gang
9:40:59 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy lordronin 
9:41:24 PM:  lordronin: Hoi Snogpitch
9:43:11 PM:  lordronin: Miss anything here tonight so far?
9:43:39 PM:  Snogpitch: Not much...
9:43:55 PM:  Snogpitch: It's offical, I have a fever.... :(
9:44:03 PM:  Snogpitch: 100.2
9:44:46 PM:  lordronin: Not good, drink plenty of juices and water. Oh yeah and use the C= more. That is always a help. At least that is wht the 128 told me {G}
9:45:14 PM:  lordronin: Trafe you though for what I had this last week. Not a fever as such, just a lot lower in the guts
9:45:15 PM:  Snogpitch: Ya, I wasn't feeling good at work yesterday, so I left early...
9:45:46 PM:  Snogpitch: On the way home I started to get chills, so I cranked up the heat in the car
9:45:57 PM:  lordronin: Best thing to do, do not want work to suffer from illnes.
9:46:14 PM:  Snogpitch: It was in the upper 60s yesterday, so it wasn't really that cold outside
9:46:19 PM:  lordronin: Chills and the the baking?
9:50:01 PM:  Snogpitch: I managed to get out to the store today and get some fruit juice and cough drops, hopefully that will do me for the weekend
9:51:42 PM:  lordronin: Sounds good. Have some juice here and a touch of rum for the weekend myself. May not get rid of this intestinal bug. But will make me feel better about having it. Especially since the bottle of rum was free.
9:51:53 PM: Info-Seeke: u need a chick that will do you for the weekend
9:53:17 PM:  lordronin: Info-Seeker, now on that one I most whole heartedly agree. 
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10:25:31 PM: dslman2009: what,s the newest bootrom in those cmd harddrives
10:26:03 PM: dslman2009: no i,m not getting one or need one
10:26:10 PM: dslman2009: i like my uiec
10:26:19 PM: dslman2009: was just wondering
10:26:22 PM:   Wildstar: hello lordronin
10:26:26 PM: dslman2009: i have here
10:26:44 PM:  lordronin: Hoi Wildstar
10:27:15 PM: dslman2009: a cmd hd bootrom chip still in new packageing i never used it,cuz i never got another cmd harddrive
10:27:16 PM:  lordronin: dslman2009, I forgot if it is 2.8 or higher. Have to look at one in my store.
10:27:50 PM: dslman2009: v2.80 this says
10:28:01 PM: dslman2009: don,t need it
10:28:14 PM: dslman2009: wonder if i can put it on ebay
10:29:06 PM:  lordronin: Probably, there are also bootlegged ones out there as well. 
10:29:32 PM: dslman2009: what,s the website to your store
10:30:23 PM:  lordronin: Sorry don't have a website, no idea how to make one either. Closest you will get is http://www.acug0447.com for the users group
10:30:46 PM: dslman2009: ok
10:30:59 PM: dslman2009: sell any 5.25 floppies by chance
10:33:44 PM:    jackleg: i got a few hundred pre recorded disks
10:34:59 PM:  lordronin: what doyou want for them jackleg?
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10:39:00 PM:        DLH: Im looking at moving up, my Athlon X2 4800 is 3+ years old now.  Whats the latest and greatest these days?
10:41:34 PM:   PhotoJim: 4 cores if desktop, 2 cores if laptop.
10:41:52 PM:   PhotoJim: or single-core if netbook is your thing.
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10:53:51 PM:   Wildstar: hello jackleg
10:54:03 PM:    jackleg: hay Wildstar
10:54:12 PM:    jackleg: i got me a 4wd car today
10:54:22 PM:    jackleg: was in the ig sita all darn day
10:54:26 PM:    jackleg: big
10:56:27 PM:     Dopple: 4wd or awd?
10:56:46 PM:   PhotoJim: is there such a thing as a true 4wd car?
10:56:58 PM:   PhotoJim: even many SUVs are AWD.  4WD is pretty uncommon.
10:57:02 PM:     Dopple: sure, AMC Eagle.
10:57:14 PM:    jackleg: dodge colt vista
10:57:17 PM:   PhotoJim: that might be the one exception :)
10:57:25 PM:     Dopple: my WJ is 4wd, my wife's ZJ is 4wd.  
10:57:33 PM:     Dopple: they  both have NV-242 transfer cases
10:57:35 PM:    jackleg: 2wd/4wd bitton on the stick
10:58:08 PM:   PhotoJim: 4WD H & 4WD L?
10:58:50 PM:    jackleg: front wheel drive normal and press the button and it is 4wd
10:59:01 PM:    jackleg: ingages the rear wheels
10:59:21 PM:   PhotoJim: I don't know if it's mechanically true, but what is a true 4WD to me has dual settings in 4WD.  the low setting is for off-road.  high torque, low speed.
10:59:30 PM:     Dopple: ah... i've seen stuff like that.
10:59:45 PM:     Dopple: the ford escape is one of those front wheel drive, with the rear-drive addon kinda thing
10:59:58 PM:     Dopple: it's pretty much 4wd, sorta
10:59:58 PM:     Dopple: :)
11:00:33 PM:     Dopple: But, generally, I consider REAL 4wd when you have a transfer case that has provisions for a low range.
11:01:17 PM:    jackleg: well the colt vista is known to have a shotty transfer case hat shoots the gears out of the housing
11:01:23 PM:     Dopple: sweet
11:01:45 PM:    jackleg: or having the viscus coupeling lock up solid and blowing the axles out of the case
11:01:46 PM:     Dopple: I've beat the hell out of my bronco, hasn't shot anything out of it's Borg Warner 13-56 t-case
11:02:17 PM:    jackleg: well its a mitsubitshi
11:02:36 PM:     Dopple: jackleg, my wife's nv-249 had that issue, the VC was all bound up and didn't allow slippage... nothing broke, but we swapped in a NV-242, which has 2WD, 4WD-part time, 4WD-full time, and 4WD Low range.
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11:03:21 PM:    jackleg: yep the vc was done away with with a limited slip in the next gen trans
11:04:00 PM:     Dopple: VC's suck.
11:04:03 PM:    jackleg: they used a electronic on off lockup
11:04:07 PM:    jackleg: and it works good
11:04:27 PM:     Dopple: do a google search for an Auburn Ected.  THAT is what I'd wanna put in the axles of my WJ.
11:05:09 PM:    jackleg: rite now im running a expo 2wd
11:05:20 PM:    jackleg: went thrugh 2 engins and 3 trans in 1 year
11:05:34 PM:    jackleg: and this trans is jerking on me now
11:06:08 PM:     Dopple: sheesh
11:06:16 PM:    jackleg: guess whimpy 4cyl`s and my led foot dont mix
11:06:18 PM:     Dopple: I usually get 250K out of my trannies.
11:06:45 PM:     Dopple: Heh, my 4-banger is the fastest thing in the driveway :)
11:06:51 PM:    jackleg: well im gunna drop the auto and convert it to standard
11:07:15 PM:     Dopple: The 545RFE trans in my WJ is pretty stout.  
11:07:16 PM:   PhotoJim: my 4-banger ain't terrible.  2.4L I4, 162 hp, with a stick.  The way 4-cylinder engines should be.
11:07:19 PM:    jackleg: i was going thrugh huston at xmas and passed a beamer doing 120
11:07:29 PM:     Dopple: PhotoJim, mopar 2.4?
11:07:35 PM:   PhotoJim: Dopple:  No.  Honda.
11:07:38 PM:     Dopple: ah
11:07:56 PM:     Dopple: My 2.4L 4-banger has at least 230HP, probably more
11:08:19 PM:   PhotoJim: Dopple: it's hard to get a well-equipped domestic-market sedan with a stick.  e.g. you can't even get a Malibu with a stick in any level of trim.
11:08:32 PM:     Dopple: PhotoJim, yea, i know, sucks.  
11:08:36 PM:    jackleg: i got the same 2.4 thats in the pt looser
11:08:40 PM:     Dopple: I'd rather have a manual in my WJ.
11:08:45 PM:   PhotoJim: Dopple: most of the Japanese cars can be had in a stick.  and my 
11:08:47 PM:     Dopple: jackleg, yea, me too, in the SRT-4 :)
11:08:52 PM:   PhotoJim: Accord is loaded with a stick, jsut the way I want it. :)
11:09:01 PM:   PhotoJim: I haven't bought a car with an automatic yet.
11:09:22 PM:     Dopple: Tough to get a bronco wth a manual, the WJ's never had the option.  
11:09:54 PM:   PhotoJim: my father-in-law had a Cherokee with a stick.
11:09:55 PM:     Dopple: But,  the 545RFE trans in the WJ is very efficient, and does a good job of not wasting too much HP.
11:10:04 PM:     Dopple: PhotoJim, XJ's yes, WJ's nope.
11:10:35 PM:     Dopple: XJ's with manuals are rare, everyone likes them... lightweight, nice, torquey engine.
11:10:45 PM:     Dopple: Espeically in a 2-door :)
11:10:52 PM:    jackleg: now the nissan maxima i had was a screamer
11:10:53 PM:   PhotoJim: Dopple: his was 4-door.  but it was an '89.  long gone now.
11:11:18 PM:     Dopple: PhotoJim, ah, the pre-mopar fuel system.  Those had a real mess of a fuel injection system on them :)
11:11:20 PM:    jackleg: but the best car ive driven was the twin turbo toyota supra with the 7mgte
11:11:57 PM:   PhotoJim: Dopple: I'll have to take your word on it :)
11:12:09 PM:    jackleg: id do 90+between the mailboxes
11:12:40 PM:   PhotoJim: the best car I've ever driven was an '07 BMW 335xi (I think) with the 6-cylinder twin-turbo engine and the 6MT.  client of mine let me drive it.  wow.
11:13:22 PM:     Dopple: PhotoJim, 1991+ XJ's got the 190HP 4.0L, bigger throttle bodies... 1999+ had even beefier bottom ends, but the heads weren't as good as the older ones... but the intake manifolds were better
11:13:46 PM:   PhotoJim: 190 4.0 straight 6 sounds right.
11:14:11 PM:     Dopple: pre 91, they were 177HP, i think
11:14:47 PM:    jackleg: i traded hi power speed demonds for greyhound buses
11:15:04 PM:    jackleg: just sold my 70 dodge dard swinger
11:15:26 PM:   PhotoJim: could well have been.
11:15:45 PM:   PhotoJim: I'm super tempted to buy a 1999-2001 Miata.  seriously tempted.
11:16:00 PM:   PhotoJim: I'm lucky enough to live in the one part of North America that still has a growing economy.  perfect time to be opportunistic.
11:16:45 PM:    jackleg: now the miata is a fun car
11:17:14 PM:    jackleg: but so is the 3cyl geo convertible............lol
11:17:43 PM:   PhotoJim: the Miata is the best-performing car in its class.  it'd be way more fun than I need. :)
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11:19:00 PM:    jackleg: but does it have room in the trunk for a commodore system
11:19:03 PM:    jackleg: lol
11:21:24 PM:   PhotoJim: No.  but I won't care. :)
11:21:33 PM:   PhotoJim: If I need to schlep stuff, I'll take the Accord.  or my wife's Fit. ;)
11:21:44 PM:   PhotoJim: the Miata will be for when driving is the purpose for going :)
11:22:06 PM:    jackleg: my sis inlaws viper is a fun 1 to drive...aslong as you can keep it going straight
11:22:21 PM:   PhotoJim: that's the Miata's thing.
11:22:24 PM:   PhotoJim: it's not the fastest car.
11:22:30 PM:   PhotoJim: but you don't care.  especially if the road is twisty.
11:22:58 PM:    jackleg: the miata holds the ground like the 914
11:23:31 PM:   PhotoJim: seems like a crapload of fun for under $10K (in the year range I'm thinking about).
11:23:33 PM:    jackleg: you can allmost turn 90 degrees doing 100 with out skidding...........lol
11:24:16 PM:   PhotoJim: :)
11:25:00 PM:    jackleg: my nissan maxima was fun but the dam thing had a computer shutdown set at 120
11:25:19 PM:    jackleg: cruse droped out at 82
11:27:00 PM:    jackleg: use to go from orlando to san antonio in under 15 hrs
11:27:18 PM:    jackleg: now i get a motel half way their for the night
11:28:41 PM:   PhotoJim: the best I can claim is putting 5000 klicks on my car, Regina-Vancouver-Seattle-Missoula-Regina.
11:28:59 PM:        DLH: somehow I doubt you averages almost 80 miles an hour for 15 hours straight
11:29:03 PM:       mech: u need to give up on the scsi hd
11:29:08 PM:       mech: doh! wrong windows
11:29:30 PM:   PhotoJim: I didn't, no.
11:29:35 PM:   PhotoJim: but metric made it more fun.
11:29:39 PM:   PhotoJim: 125 on the way back, doncha know.
11:29:54 PM:    jackleg: drove from orlando fla to portland maine in 23 hrs non stop
11:30:15 PM:        DLH: people and there driving stories, more whoppers than fishing stories
11:30:25 PM:   PhotoJim: if I wanted to go that far that fast, I'd go to the nearest airport :)
11:30:35 PM:    jackleg: i do now
11:30:45 PM:    jackleg: the airplane gets u their in 6 hrs
11:31:10 PM:   PhotoJim: 25 hours, Edinburgh to Regina, Saskatchewan.  that was a long day.
11:31:41 PM:    jackleg: now i hit 500 miles in a day and im done
11:31:59 PM:   PhotoJim: I'm good for about 700-800 km.  about the same.
11:34:08 PM:    jackleg: i rember several trips to mesa arizona from sanantonio tx ,,, taking off at 9am getting their at 3am
11:34:13 PM:    jackleg: wont ever do that now
11:34:40 PM:   PhotoJim: longest trip I ever did was San Francisco to Regina.  but we took two days to come home.
11:36:59 PM:    jackleg: now driving a greyhound i really slowed down
11:38:30 PM:   PhotoJim: Better to get there in one piece.
11:39:11 PM:        DLH: my office is 550 miles from where I live.  When I do go it takes 9 hours usually.  Turnpike for a ways is 75 so thats good.  Usually leave at 3am or 4am on Mondays if I go that week..  I try to never actually go :)
11:39:59 PM:    jackleg: Turnpike thats northern talk
11:40:00 PM:    jackleg: lol
11:40:17 PM:        DLH: Im in Illinois and office is in Oklahoma City
11:40:42 PM:    jackleg: i was in antioc il picking up a bus a year ago
11:40:51 PM:   PhotoJim: compared to me, you're all south anyway :)
11:41:25 PM:    CurtisP: where are you Jim?
11:41:36 PM:   PhotoJim: Saskatchewan.
11:41:42 PM:    CurtisP: Oklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma! 
11:41:42 PM:   PhotoJim: 50.5 N 104.5 W.
11:41:44 PM:    CurtisP: Oklahoma! Oklahoma! Oklahoma! 
11:42:04 PM:    CurtisP: thats pretty damn north
11:42:29 PM:   PhotoJim: There's a lot of north north of me. :)
11:42:42 PM:    CurtisP: nothing but polar bears and inuit
11:43:14 PM:        DLH: pretty bad when you go South to Minot for Entertainment :)
11:43:20 PM:   PhotoJim: You need to be a couple of thousand km north of here to see polar bears.
11:43:25 PM:   PhotoJim: probably more than that.
11:43:47 PM:   PhotoJim: actually, if you go straight north it'd probably be more like 4000.  but probably 2000 if you go northeast to Hudson Bay.
11:43:58 PM:   Wildstar: I remember dealing wit 16 hour trips from L.A. to Astoria and then back in basically a short turn around. Making a basically in a 38 hour window of time. Just about. 
11:44:16 PM:    jackleg: i use to live so far north i could drive south to canada
11:44:32 PM:   Wildstar: Alaska, eh?
11:44:34 PM:   PhotoJim: Alaska?  Detroit?  Northwest Angle, MN?
11:44:35 PM:    jackleg: maine
11:44:56 PM:   Wildstar: Well, SW
11:45:04 PM:    jackleg: si
11:45:05 PM:   PhotoJim: Canada is fairly far south out there though.
11:45:12 PM:   PhotoJim: Toronto is at the latitude of Redding, California almost.
11:45:21 PM:   PhotoJim: even Montreal is about 45 N.
11:45:34 PM:   PhotoJim: Regina is 50.5.  Edmonton is 53.5.
11:45:35 PM:   Wildstar: Astoria is around.....
11:45:39 PM:   PhotoJim: Yellowknife is about 61.
11:46:07 PM:   Wildstar: 46.188
11:46:21 PM:   Wildstar: Redding is South of us
11:46:41 PM:   PhotoJim: Yup.
11:46:54 PM:   PhotoJim: Astoria is at southern Washington's latitude.
11:48:44 PM:   PhotoJim: Toronto's a hair north I guess.  43 40.
11:49:02 PM:   PhotoJim: Windsor, ON is 42 16.
11:49:20 PM:   PhotoJim: California-Oregon border is the 42nd parallel.
11:51:23 PM:   Wildstar: Yeah, only a 4 mile river gap
12:01:00 AM:   Wildstar: What is it, I'm even more north then Montreal?
12:01:15 AM:   Wildstar: What's Toronto's latitude?
12:01:42 AM:  Snogpitch: well folks, time for me to call it a nite
12:01:47 AM:  Snogpitch: later
Log file closed at: Mar 8, 2009 12:01:54 AM