Session Start: Sat Jan 17 22:15:14 2009 Session Ident: #c64friends [22:15] * Now talking in #c64friends [22:15] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 = = and Q-Link!!' [22:15] howdy [22:15] You might not want to say "kicking" on IRC all that often ;-) [22:15] Howdy folks [22:15] :) I guess enough with my highs and his [22:15] manky, would be the answer [22:16] Hoi Snogpitch, yuppers got the issue and extras three days ago [22:16] Schema - this is true! [22:16] ya, lordronin, read about it in your blog on the ACUG yahoo list [22:17] that should help get your bbs up and running with full libraries in no time... [22:18] Hey Fuzz [22:18] Saved me scanning my own manuals for the 64 and the 1541 [22:18] hey ws [22:18] Be some work in allt he ID of testing the files. But for me that is fun. Yeah I know I'm insane [22:18] Gotta bug Six about some of the large stickers for the group this year at our 31st party [22:19] Hey Snogpitch [22:19] 31st? is that the date this year it's held? [22:20] So Fuzz, what's happenin'? [22:21] not toooo much. watching tv [22:21] got the PM? [22:21] * `80sFreak (~chatzilla@NewNet-E9E9D08C.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:21] yup [22:21] Howdy `80sFreak [22:22] <`80sFreak> Hello Snogpitch ! :) [22:23] <`80sFreak> Nothing much happening tonight? [22:23] Snogpitch, no, tis the 31st anniversary of the founding of the ACUG [22:23] Just slowed down a bit 80'sfreak [22:23] not sure, I just got home from work. [22:23] hey 80's freak [22:24] PET group to many years of a copy party group to the incarnation it has of today. The theocracy of the C= headed goddess {G} [22:24] The traffic has just been flowing and ebbing [22:25] <`80sFreak> Arkaxow: Cheers! :) [22:25] * Harlock gettin diet peepsi, anyone else want one? [22:25] Read a bit of ACUG's history in our 4C'er :) [22:27] 80s: i finally drank that jagermeister tonight. it was pretty good. tastes like calula (sp?) or a white russian. [22:27] Gang, I'm off. Have a great one. :) [22:27] <`80sFreak> Arkaxow: You think it tastes like that?! [22:27] hey guys [22:28] * jbevren wanders up to the keyboard :0 [22:28] * fotograf (~fotograf@NewNet-20DDD8E.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: fotograf) [22:28] jbevren: when did you get to bed last night? [22:28] <`80sFreak> Arkaxow: for me the taste is all its own.. [22:28] That's weird...when I try to connect to Q tonight, it's resetting the computer :( [22:28] Upcoming retro concert: http://www.pcmuseum.ca/emergence.asp [22:28] uh 5ish [22:29] Ahh, so not much later than I did last night. [22:29] Thanks for the discussion on Rapidlock [22:29] Snogpitch a little bit, even with the fact that Isent Six the work copy and not the spell checked one for some reason. [22:29] np [22:29] lol [22:29] ther eare actually sites online [22:30] the stuff I gather from rapidlock I just gathered by looking at the analyzer as the disk data flew by [22:30] anyone know a good place to find documentation for using Big Blue Reader ? [22:30] Arkaxow: Dunno [22:30] I have the original BBR disk and book somewhere buried [22:30] what kind of docs? [22:30] lol [22:30] I think its pretty straight-forward [22:30] Arkaxow: do you have a 1581? [22:31] jbevren: I just never saw someone go to that length for copy protection. [22:31] how to use. i bought it years ago, but i can't find the docs at the moment [22:31] heh [22:31] basically need a 1581 or 1571 for it to work [22:31] wierd: that wasnt my goal in that setup [22:31] jbreven: i have a 1541 and a fd 4000 [22:31] What was your goal? [22:31] Arkaxow: aha [22:31] FD won't work with it [22:31] the fd can read a 1581 disk, [22:31] Arkaxow: get ummm [22:31] * jasmaz (~jasmaz@NewNet-593E80D.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:31] copy1581 or something like that [22:31] it can write 1581 disks with a pc drive [22:31] much easier to work with [22:31] jbreven: i did discover that BBR 4.1 doesn't work with native HD disks [22:31] Arkaxow: ow [22:32] How about Dos and 1581 copy? [22:32] so yeah, find the 1581 program for pc [22:32] weirdwolf: thats it yeah [22:32] How about Dos and 1581copy? [22:32] 1581disk [22:32] I just use linux and cbmconvert [22:32] it writes native 1581 format to a 3.5" disk [22:32] You could use WCOPY+ on the FD [22:32] I'm still trying to get opencbm to work [22:32] 1581disk [22:32] opencbm's too much headache if you have an 81 [22:32] :D [22:32] or you can use geoDOS on the FD within Geos [22:33] snogpitch: FD 4000 will work i have the upgrade features sheet which specifically say fd 2000/4000 will work [22:33] On BBR? must be a later version then [22:33] * BeeMan (~Javauser@NewNet-495DD340.tampabay.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:33] It doesn't work on the version I have [22:33] i do have DD disks, but I am on the screen where you select the files to copy and don't know how to tell it to "go" [22:33] * jasmaz (~jasmaz@19037D2E.A79378AE.D1CFE97A.IP) has joined #c64friends [22:34] snog: yes with version 4.1 of BBR [22:34] Let me dig out my disk...it's within arm's reach [22:35] try f3 [22:35] jbevren: have you used Star commander or 1581copy with dosbox or dosemu in linux? [22:35] wierd: for 1581 in linux, I use cbmconvert [22:36] the linux floppy driver can natively write the 1581 layout [22:36] even to the degree of formatting [22:36] I think its something like fdparm -f cbm1581 /dev/fd0 [22:36] snog: f3 deselects all files [22:36] from then on the fd driver acts as a 1581 drive (but doesnt do filesystems) [22:36] then you can use dd to write a 1581 image [22:36] ooops try thr up arrow key next to the restore [22:36] and use cbmconvert to import/export files directly [22:36] * Harlock buzzes lordronins PM thinger [22:37] fdparm? [22:37] ShadowM: sets floppy parms [22:37] like sectors/tracks/sides [22:37] Then after the up arrow key is pressed, hit the space bar [22:37] jbevren: I know that command. :) [22:37] fdparm [22:38] snog: arrow key takes me back to main screen [22:38] snog: space bar does nothing [22:38] OK, lets get back to copying menu [22:38] no such command on my Ubuntu 8.10 box [22:39] from the main menu, F3 should get you into the copying [22:39] Thanks for the heads up Jbevren. Forgot about that command [22:39] weirdwolf: no prob :) [22:40] cbmconvert is kinda tricky to get used to [22:40] snog: yep, same as cursor right and then enter when "copy" is highlighted [22:40] but it rocks when you get the hang of it [22:40] cli command? [22:40] F1 should select all files [22:40] what distro you using? what package it's in? [22:40] I used cbmconvert to import the cp/m (for c128) build tools [22:40] yeah [22:40] snog: so in the copy menu, I select all the files by f1 or enter over individual [22:40] weirdwolf: fyi, it takes about 45 mins for the c128 to build cp/m lol [22:40] cbmconvert is in the debian and ubuntu archives I think [22:40] it is [22:40] fdparm...? [22:40] I'm a CLI guy, so its a favorite [22:41] Then hit your up arrow key to start [22:41] lol, jbevren I don't think I want to play with zilog 80 [22:41] jbevren: yes, I know... I love cli too. [22:41] the up arrow key is next to the restore key [22:41] ShadowM: yeah [22:41] snog: ok, up arrow, i was hitting left arrow [22:41] wierd: mainly cause you cant easily script a gui :P [22:42] does it ask for source disk at that point? [22:42] jb: nah, if I scripted an gui, I would make it DD someone's HD? [22:42] snog: thanks. so if it is a binary file will i choose commodore ascii to standard asc [22:42] *ascii [22:43] ya, binary should not be translated [22:43] snog: so say "N" [22:44] ShadowM: I'm wrong [22:44] # setfdprm /dev/fd0 cbm1581 [22:44] from http://landover.no-ip.com/forums/index.php?topic=2029.0 [22:44] when it asked for the source disk, hit the space bar [22:44] jbevren: were there not some specific cylinder #'s you had to enter some where? [22:45] in /etc/fdparm [22:45] but theyre included in debian [22:45] lets see [22:45] snog: it asked convert commodore ascii to standard ascii (y/n)" [22:45] oh I dont have fdparm installed on this server [22:45] j: I think that is correct. [22:45] since it doesnt have a floppy lol [22:46] Arkaxow: if its not a text file, say n [22:46] snog: ok thanks [22:46] snog: version 4.1 says it can use ram expander, i wonder if that will be faster in copying all to ram expander then to disk. [22:47] I tell it to not convert, unless if you are going with text from the C= side to the PC side [22:48] * jasmaz (~jasmaz@19037D2E.A79378AE.D1CFE97A.IP) Quit (Quit: Leaving.) [22:48] Now if it's coming from the PC to C= depending on when your word processor is, it should be able to convert it. [22:49] oops, should have used what instead of when [22:49] may I ask what you are transferring? [22:49] pr0n! [22:49] <`80sFreak> HA. [22:50] <`80sFreak> C= pr0n [22:50] pr0n doesn't need converted [22:50] <`80sFreak> Samantha Fox strip poker? ;) [22:50] snog: for now I am just testing it to see if it will transfter programs and text files etc. [22:50] snog: the idea will be to archive all my programs/games/documents etc. to pc [22:51] <`80sFreak> Arkaxow: r u making d64's? [22:52] Get a uIEC, that will make it easy for you [22:53] <`80sFreak> or RR-Net + WarpCopy.. [22:53] dump the stuff to the uIEC, pop the card out, and put it in the PC's card reader [22:54] XM-XA-X? cable? [22:54] Yes, uiec would be nice [22:54] uIEC is what I have been using lately [22:55] 80s: I'm not sure if I will be making d64s, if it makes sense or makes it easier I will do that. i do have a program that will do that with standard disks (35 tracks). i guess i will experiment with it. [22:55] if it's your own stuff, you don't really need to put it in a d64 [22:55] <`80sFreak> Arkaxow: for game and programs that would be the best.. later they can be made into real disks again. [22:56] snog: I have been considering uIEC for months. there are two versions i believe and he keeps coming out with new updated versions. so I'm cautious until I understand which one is best for me. [22:56] 80s: the problem is with disks that are 40 tracks. i don't have a program on the c64 side to make d64s. [22:57] puzip work? [22:57] for .d64 making? [22:57] heh [22:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-omFP_G57U&feature=channel [22:57] now THAT is home-brew computing [23:00] Now that person has too much free time on their hands [23:00] :) [23:00] I got one of the first batch of uIEC devices with Compact Flash. I've got several devices already that use those. So, that's what I went with. [23:00] weirdwolf: where can i get puzip ? [23:00] 30hz processor' [23:01] http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Dev/puzip/ [23:01] snog: there are two versions of uIEC ? one that you can pop into the cartridge port and another you can mount ? [23:02] I think we are talking about something else, Arkaxow [23:02] I'm talking about Brain's creation [23:03] 30hz? lol [23:03] you're lucky to pull 7IPS on a relay unit [23:03] snog: The uIEC/IDE contains both IDE and Compactflash interfaces and supports 2 IDE drives or 1 IDE drive and one CF card. This unit is designed to be placed in an enclosure. [23:03] snog: i.e. put inside the c64 [23:04] yes you can put it in an enclosure, but mine isn't. [23:04] snog: 2nd version: The uIEC/CF supports 1 CF card, and is designed to be embedded in a device. [23:05] Mine sits on top of my 64C [23:05] snog: 3rd version: The uIEC/SD supports 1 SD card, and is designed to be embedded in a device. [23:06] http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Dev/puzip/ [23:06] ya, mine is one of the early ones [23:06] To arkaxow [23:07] I beat you to the punch by 5 minutes, weirdwolf :) [23:07] :) I noticed [23:07] Sorry, I got my head buried in the google search [23:10] snog: so I can transfer punzip.c64 to ibm formatted disk then copy to cbm disk and then run ? [23:11] I will probably get one of the SD variants but I swap various machines around depending on what I'm doing, so embedding it to a single machine ties it to that system. [23:11] yes Arkaxow, that's how you'd do it, transfer without convertion [23:12] conversion... sheesh! [23:12] * golan (~golan@NewNet-A7585CD1.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [23:12] * ChanServ sets mode: +o golan [23:12] Re. [23:12] Hey golan. Nice to see you again [23:12] my typing is getting horrible...I guess I'm getting sleepier now that I am relaxing from work [23:12] Howdy golan [23:13] Snog: wasn't there other D64 utils for the C64/ [23:14] * Arkaxow needs more beer to relax to forget about work [23:14] yes, there are quite a few...geoBeap comes to mind for the geos user [23:14] d64it is another [23:15] yes. d64it was one I was thinking of. [23:16] I like puzip because it c64s it and zips it for compression, makes the transfer a bit quicker [23:17] snog: BBR made puzip.c64 a SEQ file instead of PRG [23:17] weiredwolf: d64it will create d64 images, but not with more than 35 tracks. [23:18] * gsteemso (~gsteemso@NewNet-C3ABF3CB.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #c64friends [23:18] will mnib with g64? [23:19] I think mnib is a pc program though. [23:20] weirdwolf: yes mnib will work [23:20] have to go look. [23:20] weird: I did have an XE/XA cable but it damages all the drive I connected to PC so I will NEVER use that again. [23:20] I like Snogpitchs idea of a uiec. Connects right to the C64 and transfer loks like the fastest. [23:21] Make a new XM cable? [23:21] I got a neat little xe/xm adapter and it works great [23:21] weird: yes, I know I was just looking for a inexpensive way until I could afford to spend on a "luxury" item such as the uIEC [23:21] never connected a drive to the pc though [23:21] only computer [23:21] but [23:22] disk master rox on a touch screen tablet [23:22] weirdwolf: i don't know how to create my own cables. [23:22] its all drag and drop [23:22] Arkaxow, you can use any disk tools that can change seq to prg [23:23] Ark: Google or use ebay. They're on there. [23:24] btw, my version of BBR is V2, so it's an old copy [23:24] weirdwolf: that is where I got the XE cable, I will never get another. [23:25] arkaxow: understood. [23:26] ark: so how are you going to transfer it? [23:27] snog: any particular place I can find disk tools on cbm disks ? i have 1581 tools disk, might it be on there ? IIRC compute did some of these [23:28] If you have a BBS program like Novaterm, I believe it has a utility [23:28] If you have OmegaQII it has one [23:29] Omega q 2 or 3 is the best Utility IMO [23:30] snog: ok. I think I have novaterm somewhere in one of my disk holders. maybe I will look on BBR disk first then three other disks: 1581 toolkit, commodore 1581 demos/utilities, fd utilities. [23:31] I was looking thru my FD disk manual, didn't see anything like that in there [23:31] snog: one disk has prg to usr [23:32] worse comes to worse, try to run the program anyway see what happens [23:33] ok. let me try to find novaterm [23:36] looking on my old version of Novaterm at the moment... [23:36] Snog: does maverick do what Arkaxow is asking. Change the file type from one version to another? [23:37] maybe, don't remember. [23:37] hmmm, don't see the utility on Novaterm... [23:38] still looking tho [23:39] I use aceterm [23:39] I don't see it on there...looking at version 9.5 novaterm :( [23:39] snog: found my novaterm disk. has a disk error, so i'm running validate [23:40] snog: i might have something on one of my speedscript disks. don't know why, but i might. anyways if worse comes to worse i can find out which compute gazette disk had something like this and find it that way. [23:40] what happens when you try to load puzip.c64? [23:41] it says read error 62 or something (still waiting for validate to finish) [23:41] I have a 10.0 sitting somewhere [23:41] I get this is not a valid win32 app [23:42] You might try using BBR to copy to another disk, see if it allows you to change the seq to a prg [23:43] can't you change it in diskmaster? [23:44] snog: I have the directory listing of novaterm. nothing seems obvious. it is version 9.5 by the way. [23:45] same version I was looking at [23:45] * weirdwolf (~oem@NewNet-A95A87D3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has left #c64friends (Ex-Chat) [23:45] * geneb_chair (~chatzilla@NewNet-6D9AF29E.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [23:45] Howdy geneb_chair [23:46] info: I can put the program into a .d64 using diskmaster then what do I do ? [23:46] Hi snogpitch. how goes? [23:46] BBR was set up to read text files from IBM systems, so it's not too surprising it would transfer as a seq since most word processors expect that [23:47] snog: my novaterm seems damaged. it locks up on loading. [23:47] * Schema (~spam@810C7EC6.7EB95B52.84E6236E.IP) has left #c64friends [23:48] According to BBR manual, if you transfer using no ASCII translation and no adding line feeds, it can transfer binary files. [23:59] snog: it didn't work. so i will have to hunt [00:01] OmegaQ is your best bet if you have that one [00:03] * Arkaxow googles OmegaQ [00:05] Do you have Maverick? [00:07] snog: yes [00:07] v5 [00:07] let me look at mine adn see what it has.. [00:11] * geneb_chair (~chatzilla@NewNet-6D9AF29E.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]) [00:16] Directory editor should do it [00:18] snog: so how do use this program ? [00:18] Don't have instructions for that either? [00:19] page 35 describes the process [00:19] i select the file then not sure what to do next. [00:19] maverick I have the docs somewhere, it's been a while. i actually bought it. [00:21] First of all you need to read the directory you need to change [00:21] i did that [00:22] and i have the input buffer and i selected the puzip.c64 [00:26] * `80sFreak (~chatzilla@NewNet-E9E9D08C.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]) [00:36] snog: I think I got it. "E" to edit the directory/file. "W" to write directory. "A" to select all. [00:37] yes, E will edit the file you have highlighted [00:37] Just hit return down to file type [00:37] * weirdwolf (~oem@NewNet-A95A87D3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [00:37] * al_ (~Dangerous@C3E8747F.E322C086.3C350923.IP) has joined #c64friends [00:37] then use your right/left cursour key to change type. [00:38] i did it and it worked. [00:38] i'm running puzip. [00:39] it's asking for input drive. [00:39] i keep saying 8 [00:39] and i try to select d for disk image compression [00:39] and it keeps looping back [00:40] i'm trying to copy the maverick parameters disk which has no files listed because it is 40 tracks. [00:40] * al (~Dangerous@C3E8747F.E322C086.3C350923.IP) Quit (Ping timeout) [00:40] does this program only work with 35 tracks ? [00:41] probably won't work with copy protected stuff :/ [00:41] ark: is that disk copy protected? [00:41] weirdwolf: not protected [00:41] just asking to make sure. [00:42] let me try a "regular disk" [00:43] it reads the regular disk directory, so if it is hidden from doing a LOAD"$",8 then it won't work [00:43] snog: ok then that is why. this program does things file by file ? [00:44] depending on how you make the archive [00:44] whole disk it shouldn't matter [00:45] well folks, I got to call it a nite. [00:45] Catch y'all next weekend. [00:45] Yes, I am going too. [00:45] niters. [00:45] Night arkaxow [00:45] * Disconnected