[20:51] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 = = and Q-Link!!' [20:51] Howdy folks [20:52] Evening Mr. Witmer, sir. [20:53] greetings, antares51 [20:54] it would appear everyone else is asleep? [20:55] * JavaUser2 (~Javauser@NewNet-495DD340.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [20:55] Hello Beeman. [20:55] antares51: the race of beings of your origin. heheh [20:55] * JavaUser2 is now known as BeeMan [20:55] Hungarian. [20:55] anatares51: ah ok [20:55] Hello All [20:55] Howdy BeeMan [20:56] The season is almost over. [20:57] I thought fall just started? [20:58] With the fall coming, interest will be transferred to indoors. [21:00] I started my season with the installation of a new shortwave antenna. [21:01] In less than two weeks the garden will be razed and the yard prepared for the winter. [21:01] and we still want to make it the Year of Q-Link [21:02] The 64 hasn't been transferred to it's permanent location. Neither has the Amiga 4000 been operated since spring. [21:03] I want to modify the back porch to install both systems. I have a table I can use for one of them. [21:05] I found my standard five-pin video cord that can connect the 64 to my 20 inch television. [21:06] I keep one of those in my SX64 bag just in case... [21:06] video cord, not tv :) [21:06] I have high hopes of setting up a test bench to do work on my 128. [21:07] * Caricon (~Caricon@6258843C.64D822F7.31DE32BF.IP) has joined #c64friends [21:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Caricon [21:07] Hellooooo snogpitch, antares51 [21:07] Howdy Caricon [21:07] Hello Caricon. [21:07] and whoever else is around [21:07] hello [21:07] Evening Harlock. [21:08] methinks everyone north of 49 gettin ready for thanksgiving [21:08] except me [21:08] I also started transferring SACD's to quad open reel with my new quad dolby noise reduction unit. [21:10] * a7guy (~a7@NewNet-65A4E73A.vif.net) has joined #c64friends [21:10] Hello A7. [21:10] Howdy a7guy [21:10] * BeeMan (~Javauser@NewNet-495DD340.tampabay.res.rr.com) has left #c64friends [21:10] hello all [21:10] * Harlock sends subliminal C= messages through antares shortwave antenna [21:10] First transfer was Moody Blues Question of Balance. [21:12] * antares51 needs to buy some isopropyl alcohol. [21:14] antares, can you use tequila instead? [21:14] At least you can drink that. [21:15] Used to clean tape heads. [21:15] A clean head is a quiet head. [21:15] * DemongerX (~jason@53824D08.496E1FBE.C22D85B.IP) Quit (Ping timeout) [21:15] *waves to all* [21:15] reel to reel? [21:15] Hello dracosilv. [21:15] Quad open reel. [21:16] any new news on (i believe it was pelleas)'s house? [21:16] how often you clean that head? [21:16] the one that got crushed [21:16] Oh, a four channel unit? [21:16] Once a week clean-up. [21:16] glass heads? [21:16] You run tapes thru it that much? [21:16] Permalloy :-(. [21:17] I don't use the open reel very often. [21:17] like my RT-909. I adjust the tension down to make the heads last longer. [21:17] I expect I'll get more use since I "borrowed" my brother's SACD player. [21:18] for some reason people put it too high. 80grams is sufficient. [21:18] what kind of tape you use? [21:18] Try diskcopying an SACD disk. Can't be done. [21:19] * antares51 prefers Maxell. [21:19] it can't? why is it? [21:19] * Hellion_1 (~JBouncer@NewNet-F8A06CF1.digitalscream.com) has joined #c64friends [21:19] Howdy Hellion_1 [21:19] Screwball format. [21:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Hellion_1 [21:19] Hello Hellion. [21:19] Hey Snog. [21:19] Hey Anteres. [21:19] I have a reel of Maxell UD. Still works great after all this time. [21:20] * Harlock liked maxell disks [21:21] * Caricon (~Caricon@6258843C.64D822F7.31DE32BF.IP) has left #c64friends [21:21] I haven't been using tape nearly as much as I used to... [21:21] Ever saved a program to reel to reel? [21:21] I can see why. [21:21] I've got a cassette collection dating back to the 70s [21:22] Wouldn't it be like pretty awesome? [21:22] I saved a TRS-80 program to open reel. [21:22] Haven't tried it myself but maybe one day. [21:23] i've had nothing but trouble recently with audio tape data recording. [21:23] how so? [21:23] * antares51 prefers the Commodore cassette recorder. [21:23] the one or two decks i had for my TRS-80 stuff were crap [21:23] me too antares, when I use it [21:23] so i started hooking them up to my laptop via the audio jacks and saving that way. [21:24] nice big WAVs. [21:24] yeah. [21:24] c ca ca catch the wav [21:24] that's what i (eventually) want to do with MY TRS-80 [21:24] have you tried mp3'ing them? [21:24] the only one i really got attached to is the model 100 [21:24] it can't be that bad for the audio quality... [21:24] havent tried that [21:24] it's only one/two tones.. [21:25] thought about it, but i didnt have enough stuff to worry about the extra space [21:25] maybe 4 if you throw in the 1500 mode vs the 500 mode (slow vs fast load/save speed) [21:25] tone007, i guess you could do that.. [21:25] Making two copies of a program on open reel is overkill! [21:25] try burning them to cd. [21:25] audio cd. [21:25] :D [21:25] oughta work [21:25] load from a discman. ha [21:26] minidisc! [21:26] on the tape topic, any decent way to dump tap back to real tape? [21:26] I love listening to my music whilst I compute. [21:26] im sure one was mentioned on lemon [21:26] never paid any attention though [21:27] like tap2wav or something [21:27] maybe. [21:27] I don't spend to much time on lemon, or many other forums these days [21:27] It can be done. [21:27] saw a tap2wav file on a site earlier today but apparently it was for oric programs [21:29] * Caricon (~Caricon@6258843C.64D822F7.31DE32BF.IP) has joined #c64friends [21:29] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Caricon [21:29] wb Caricon [21:29] WB Caricon. [21:29] Thanks. [21:29] Helloooooooo Caricon [21:30] * ShadowM (~ShadowM@NewNet-2B9FEF84.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) Quit (Broken pipe) [21:30] Has anyone seen written reviews of ECCC? [21:30] * ShadowM (~ShadowM@NewNet-2B9FEF84.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #c64friends [21:30] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ShadowM [21:30] all I've seen is photos [21:30] Harlock, i think the best way, (for simple programs/programs you can verify the listing of) is to load teh original tape, then resave the audio to a computer... [21:31] yoyo [21:32] well I don't have original tapes for the ones I thinkin of [21:32] Hi Dragos. [21:32] just some downloaded tap files with not much to use them on [21:32] yoyo [21:33] I always liked the idea of archivally transferring programs to tape. 8 bit Commodores made it easy! [21:33] well then Harlock, do the reverse.. [21:33] use teh computer to play the audio files.. [21:34] then save them to an actual cassette. [21:34] can't, they're not playable on any of the audio software I have this flaming tap files [21:34] software I've seen to turn them into tap files only goes one way [21:35] are you trying to convert them on the C= side or PC side? [21:35] take them from tap files on pc back to C= loadable tapes [21:36] http://markus.brenner.de/binary/ptap36.zip [21:36] taking a look now [21:37] BTW When I installed Mandriva 2009 the included Vice worked perfectly. [21:37] http://commodore-gg.hobby.nl/CIP/Pagina/INFO-TapeTransfer-GB.htm [21:38] That shows you how to wire up the gizmo [21:39] hmm that cable is the one I have methings [21:40] are these tap images just basic prgs or commercial stuff? [21:40] * Pell_Pro (~Pell@NewNet-614EFC57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #c64friends [21:40] Howdy Pell_Pro [21:40] * Pell_Pro is now known as Pelleas [21:40] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Pelleas [21:40] Hey Snog how you doing? [21:40] heya pell [21:41] Hello Pelleas. [21:41] commercial I think, trying to replace stuff I once had but now gone [21:41] Helloooooooo Pell [21:41] Hey Dragos, Ant, Har [21:41] brb 1 sec [21:42] I was going to say, if it was stuff you created and it wasn't copy protected, might be easier to convert the tap to disk on the pc side [21:43] that may work [21:43] but apparently some have tape loaders with graphics etc during loading or fastloaders [21:43] ya, multiloaders would be a problem [21:44] you'd have to change each prg to go to disk instead [21:44] for the times I'd use them using them on tape wouldn't be a huge burden [21:45] after spending spending hour upon hours installing & repairing XP waiting 20 minutes for a tape to load doesn't seem so bad [21:46] Always try to use a tape speed-up program. [21:47] anyone going to ccag in cleveland tomorrow?? [21:47] I got turbo tape for such occasions [21:48] * Harlock dunno bout ccag [21:48] I wish.... [21:48] I was thinking about going, but decided against it [21:48] Dragos, you going? [21:48] yes [21:49] I'm going to have a picnic at the lake instead... [21:53] up here thanksgiving is monday so no outta town events for me this weekend [21:54] Monday is Columbus Day for the USA folks [21:54] Celebrating Columbus, Ohio. [21:54] * iViper (~petergree@NewNet-60DB8808.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #c64friends [21:54] * ChanServ sets mode: +v iViper [21:55] Howdy iViper [21:55] Helloooo iviper [21:55] Evening Viper. [21:55] hi snoggers, any action tonight? [21:55] harlock, antares51... good to see ya'll [21:56] some tape related conversation ccag and such [21:56] one good thing bout canadian thanksgiving is it gives more time to recover from turkey overload before christmas [21:57] hmmm, I've got a couple of tape decks here but no tapes [21:57] I've never seen a C= tape [21:57] I'm a turkey. [21:58] Depending on when you joined the C= fold, if it was very early in the 80s tapes were pretty common [21:58] turkey lurky [21:59] my first was a 128 flat system then 128d then c64c [21:59] in britain tapes lasted longer [22:00] when I got 64 here in 84 tapes were already on the way out though [22:00] finally my local sysop that I got the 'D' from cleaned out his closet, and gave me everything C= related that he owned [22:00] by then everyone but me had disk [22:00] that sounds like a good find iViper [22:00] Time to crawl back into my cage. Niters all. [22:01] I was 34-35 years old when I got my first C= but I had learned on a C= Super Pet when I was 22 [22:01] nit antares51 [22:01] g'night antares51 [22:01] nite [22:01] * antares51 (~antares51@NewNet-7BF0E445.om.om.cox.net) has left #c64friends [22:01] you must be in a later time zone [22:01] missed 'im [22:01] For tape archiving this sounds pretty cool... http://www.luigidifraia.com/c64/dc2n/index.html [22:01] Superpet is cool, never had much time on one myself [22:02] or he's got the grip like so many others [22:02] some guy at the college had loaded the 21 card game for the pet [22:03] I had it once but that disk died [22:03] it was pretty good graphics for the day [22:04] <[Fungus]> dc2n is nice [22:05] I keep my eyes peeled for any tapes I might find at flees markets and such, but even after all these years, I've not seen a one. [22:05] <[Fungus]> and tapes were common in europe much more than disks, and went throughout the c64's lifespan, and even new software is still released on tape. [22:05] hmmm [22:06] I have JD in the D machine, so is the tape disabled in that? [22:06] <[Fungus]> yes it is [22:06] my tape collection is mostly for the VIC20, tho I do have a few for the C64 [22:06] or just when jd is enabled? [22:06] <[Fungus]> just when jd is enabled [22:07] I remember seeing a C= magazine from britain round about 90 or so with a tape stuck in the front instead of a disk and it surprised me [22:07] <[Fungus]> commodore format =] [22:07] though admittedly I don't dislike tape as much as some do [22:07] <[Fungus]> I can't remember is zzap came with cover tapes or not [22:07] <[Fungus]> I think so [22:07] yeah that might've been it fungus [22:08] <[Fungus]> input 64 came with a tape too [22:08] <[Fungus]> 64er came with a disk [22:09] <[Fungus]> still do this day mags in europe come with a dvd, while only a couple of american mags come with a cd [22:10] I'm really behind the times here as I've no dvd in my puters, though I can burn a cd or two [22:10] I've seen some linux mags that have dvd, at least with subscription [22:10] <[Fungus]> still american mags are full of ads instead of articles too [22:10] brb [22:10] byte was an adfest even back in the 80's [22:11] <[Fungus]> the only us mag I really like is CPU [22:11] <[Fungus]> max pc just kind of sucks anymore [22:11] I've not that read CPU [22:11] * tone007 (~Sysop@E532A999.52F5244F.923186B0.IP) Quit (Quit: Leaving... ) [22:12] any of you have done ARM work? [22:12] <[Fungus]> CPU is a good mag [22:12] <[Fungus]> I recommend it =] [22:14] I'm a bit behind in the electronics & computer mags these days [22:14] <[Fungus]> anyways if you want to xfer tapes, you just need an XE cable and mtap and ptap for small batches [22:14] I haven't bought a pc or electronics mag in years [22:14] <[Fungus]> I only recommend dc2n if you have say more than 100 tapes [22:15] <[Fungus]> the tape preservation guys have several thousand tapes =] [22:16] I used to have a schematic on how to turn a c2n into a digitizer on the 64 [22:16] well I got the xe cable, had a 1541-II hooked up with it for a few months now [22:16] I suppose if I really wan't a C=tape I could d/l a .tap file and load it to a real C= machine, then save it to a real datasette [22:16] <[Fungus]> .tap files are huge [22:16] <[Fungus]> that's what ptap is for [22:17] <[Fungus]> also, transfering tapes via .wav and stuff doesn't work very well at all. [22:18] <[Fungus]> audio decks can't read or write the data very well [22:18] can't tape files be sneaker netted over on a disk, loaded and then save to tape? [22:19] <[Fungus]> iViper: no [22:19] well had to asks [22:19] :) [22:19] <[Fungus]> they aren't like program files =] [22:19] .tap are just images? [22:19] depends on how the file is formated. [22:19] <[Fungus]> .tap are pure images [22:20] if it is converted back to a prg file first, then yes it can be sneaker netted [22:20] <[Fungus]> they are hex representations of the delay between pulses [22:20] <[Fungus]> and most commercial tapes use custom loaders [22:20] or null modem? [22:21] <[Fungus]> they have to be streamed [22:21] <[Fungus]> and generally they are 500k or larger [22:22] <[Fungus]> multiload tapes are several megs [22:23] is there a method/interface for connecting a C= datasette to the pc line out? [22:23] audio line out [22:23] <[Fungus]> XE cables is simplest way, you plug the XE cable into the c64, and use ptap to write the tape image back to tape with a c2n. [22:24] ah ok [22:24] got a link for ptap? [22:25] <[Fungus]> .tap is a like a .raw disk copy [22:25] <[Fungus]> =] [22:25] <[Fungus]> yeah sure, wait [22:25] k [22:25] <[Fungus]> http://markus.brenner.de/ [22:25] brb [22:26] <[Fungus]> you need to copy tapserv to disk, and then copy it to tape with copy190 or something [22:27] <[Fungus]> so you can load the server from tape [22:27] * a7guy (~a7@NewNet-65A4E73A.vif.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:29] * Phoenix (~mobile@5D51F2F6.5CB0181D.95C5E521.IP) has joined #c64friends [22:30] Howdy Phoenix [22:31] copy190 was a boon in my predisk days [22:31] * ^Fungus^ (w2kue@NewNet-4065B4EB.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:31] * [Fungus] (w2kue@NewNet-4065B4EB.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:32] * LordNLpt2 (~jonathan@NewNet-9D06D8FB.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:32] * AtomicToad (~nobody@4EBB6692.52FC0FD1.B664FAD2.IP) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:32] Howdy Lord_Nightmare [22:32] oops, LordNLptp, that is [22:32] * ShadowM (~ShadowM@NewNet-2B9FEF84.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.) [22:33] * a7guy (~a7@NewNet-65A4E73A.vif.net) has joined #c64friends [22:33] * Pelleas (~Pell@NewNet-614EFC57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:33] * LordNLptp (~jonathan@NewNet-9D06D8FB.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:34] * iViper (~petergree@NewNet-60DB8808.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:34] <^Fungus^> luigi also had D1541 planned , for converting disks [22:34] * geneb (~geneb@NewNet-12B03B7E.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (client.routing.hub irc.redwolfs.net) [22:34] * iViper (~petergree@NewNet-60DB8808.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #c64friends [22:34] * ChanServ sets mode: +v iViper [22:34] okay... all that in the bookmarks now. ty [22:34] <^Fungus^> http://www.luigidifraia.com/ [22:34] <^Fungus^> there too =] [22:35] * Phoenix (~mobile@5D51F2F6.5CB0181D.95C5E521.IP) has left #c64friends [22:35] * AtomicToad (~nobody@4EBB6692.52FC0FD1.B664FAD2.IP) has joined #c64friends [22:36] * geneb_ (~geneb@NewNet-12B03B7E.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:36] * geneb_ is now known as geneb [22:37] This might be of help also [22:37] http://www.portcommodore.com/petxplat.php [22:39] * a7guy (~a7@NewNet-65A4E73A.vif.net) Quit (Quit: ) [22:42] this is wierd... [22:43] the display has cleared itself up somewhat on the borked VIC-20 [22:43] would it help if i told you guys what chips were warm and which were not? [22:43] cause it's gotta be a heat issue that's making it work. [22:43] let's see.. [22:43] these ic's are warm... [22:44] UAB1 [22:44] UAB3 [22:44] (BOTH 6522'S) [22:45] <^Fungus^> hrm [22:45] <^Fungus^> sounds like the capacitor might needs replacing [22:45] UE12 UD8 [22:45] <^Fungus^> on the power, the big one. [22:45] THAT COULD CAUSE IT? [22:45] <^Fungus^> Yep [22:45] <^Fungus^> They get old and dry out. [22:46] sometimes those electrolytics get crapped out, sometimes you'll see leaks at the top or bottom [22:46] * ChanServ sets mode: +v PhotoJim [22:46] <^Fungus^> I've had to replace them in vic's 64's and 1541's. [22:46] OKAY.. [22:46] I FIGURED IT OUT. [22:46] THE VIDEO CHIP IS THE ISSUE [22:46] i blasted it with an inverted compressed air... [22:46] <^Fungus^> caps man, caps [22:46] and cooled the chip off.. [22:47] and the video went wonkier. [22:47] it started to mess up MORE [22:47] <^Fungus^> it might not be getting good enough volts. [22:47] <^Fungus^> is it socketed ? [22:47] (it wasn't messing up as bad until i blasted it) [22:47] ^Fungus^ nope [22:47] i guess the cap is an easy fix.. [22:48] heck i could cut it out... and alligator clip a new one in (temp-like) [22:48] worth doing the cap anyways dracosilv, keep the vic going longer anyways [22:48] true. [22:48] <^Fungus^> got a dmm? [22:48] <^Fungus^> measure the volts [22:49] that canned chiller spray can be used in checking overheating IC's too but care should be taken with that [22:50] measure the voltage across what part? [22:50] <^Fungus^> ground and the cap [22:50] honestly, i'm using a BRICK 64 psu.. [22:50] *shrugs [22:50] and it's not necessarily the chip, check the solder joints? [22:51] haven't checked that yet... [22:51] VIC20 only uses the 9vac doesn't it? [22:52] this one uses a C64 style PSU [22:52] e.g. teh round din... [22:52] not the 2 prong 9vac [22:52] <^Fungus^> yeah I think so, it uses one side for the 5v, and voltage doubler on the other side to get 18 which it regs down to 12 [22:52] yeah but I thought it still only used the 9vac [22:52] it's a later model VIC... [22:53] a shortboard vic. [22:53] <^Fungus^> something like that [22:57] going back to tape to disk transfers try this prg... http://cbmfiles.com/genie/geniefiles/C64Toolkit/SUPERSAVER-T2D64 [22:58] Allows you to transfer files (program or text) from a cassette tape to disk. Completes the Supersaver package. Look for the other file which allows you to transfer from disk to tape (Supersaver-d/t64). These two programs make it so you can back up important data onto cassette for bulk storage. [23:00] I take it uses regular files on C64 instead of tap files on pc? [23:00] * CJ (~Cyberjank@8FE800F9.5F8DB0CA.D5CDA8EA.IP) has joined #c64friends [23:00] I used that program to transfer my personal prgs back to disk [23:00] Howdy CJ [23:00] Hi CJ. [23:01] * ^Fungus^ passes CJ a bottle of bourbon [23:01] hmm.. [23:01] curiouser and curiouser... [23:01] i now notice that the characters aren't flipped on the top.. [23:01] they're copied... [23:02] Hello folks. [23:02] Helloooooooo CJ [23:02] * Harlock sneeks more rootbeer [23:02] so if the it should be showing lines 0-7 (01234567), sometimes it shows 4-7, twice (45674567) [23:03] i'm believing that it's the video chip or a supply to the video chip. [23:03] Fung, lol TY! [23:03] this vic was one of the freebie vics from a couple years back, when the freebie table was in an adjacent room at ECCC. [23:03] I think it was ECCC 2006... [23:03] * Harlock wonders if thats why it was freeby? [23:03] that sounds like an address line [23:04] Damnit fungus, I have yet to see a cracked mars saga from you! [23:04] WTF? [23:05] yeah... it could.. [23:05] except that the program memory seems to work. [23:05] e.g. i can type programs in... [23:06] and run them. [23:06] and they work. [23:06] <^Fungus^> CJ: uhm, I sold everything =] [23:06] <^Fungus^> I'm a PC fanboi now [23:07] Well it is what it is. [23:07] lol [23:09] Harlock, yeah they didnt' work... [23:09] but they DID yield some good keyboards... [23:09] for my current VIC-20 [23:10] I can't help too much with your vic trouble though :( [23:10] but now i am attempting to try to fix another vic... [23:10] don't have much vic stuff now, golan has the 1 vic I owned [23:10] so that i could forseeably install/try out my EMBEDDED RS232 port idea. [23:10] just 64, C16 plus/4 now mainly [23:11] just solder in a max233 [23:11] easy as pie [23:11] that would be cool, though I kept mine external, to switch it between machines [23:11] embed an rs232 port into my VIC-20 (so that eventually i could use my VIC-20 as a way to interface to my EEPROM programmer cart idea. [23:12] * Harlock used max232 & 740LS00 (though 7404 could also be used) [23:12] well i think that might be the way i would do it.. [23:12] except i'd use a MAX233 (no caps) [23:12] and maybe a cmos (HCT possibly) 7400/7404 [23:13] 7404 would be fewer connections as 7400 is 2 input nand gates with inputes tied together [23:14] true. [23:14] NTE7412 could be used in place of the max ic as well [23:15] I happened to have couple of them in my parts supply [23:15] * WizardNJ (~WizardNJ@NewNet-AA16D5C9.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Broken pipe) [23:16] what would you use the 7404 for? [23:16] some of the rs232 lines are inverted compared to the C= user port [23:16] how hard would it be to unsolder one of those 40 pin IC's? [23:17] w/o damaging the board... [23:17] and without damaging the chip? [23:17] * lessmony (~gwpclp@NewNet-3077A422.eugn.qwest.net) has joined #c64friends [23:17] how good are you at sloldering? [23:17] howdy lessmony [23:17] soldering... good. [23:17] unsoldering.. not so much. [23:17] at work we say if you ask how hard it is, perhaps someone should do it for you [23:17] hello snogpitch [23:18] A better way is to attach extensions with you soldering work on the other side of the project. [23:18] what kind of desoldering equipment do you have? [23:18] unsoldering can be more of a pain than soldering definately [23:19] really need at least a solder sucker [23:19] http://ftp.giga.or.at/pub/c64/library/rs232FAQ <----- user port to rs232 there [23:20] vacuum desoldering station works well but not for everyone as its more expensive [23:20] bogax, nothing aside from a heat-gun [23:20] can be done with one of those rat shack suck bulbs (do they even sell them any more?) but wouldn't be my first choise [23:21] I wouldn't use a heat gun [23:21] <^Fungus^> I'd rather use some solder wick [23:21] well i do have some solder wick.... [23:21] but the thing is.. [23:21] solder whick is usually not enough [23:21] dracosilv get at least solder sucker, desoldering wick if you prefer, try on a dead or spare board to practice before doing your vic [23:21] how hard would it be to do so... [23:21] ugh.. more barriers to my fixing of my vic. [23:22] plenty. [23:22] Should have given it to the solder jockey at ECCC this year [23:22] ok, i've not been paying attention, whats wrong with the vic?? [23:22] <^Fungus^> need fresh solder wich too, the stuff goes bad fast [23:22] <^Fungus^> er wick [23:22] * _brain_ thinks there should be a solder contest. [23:22] * _brain_ can solder 64 QFP packages.... Beat that! [23:22] dracosilv, when you do get the IC desoldered put a socket in before you replace the chip [23:23] * bogax thinks there should be a desolder contest [23:23] * CJ I used to make jewely out of it for my girlfriends when I was a young chap! [23:23] yeah, i need to socket up a breadbin [23:23] * ^Fungus^ can solder anything with the right equipment [23:23] * Harlock used to do that in night shifts at celestica is a challenge [23:23] depends on the lead spacing doesn't it? [23:23] Next Expo, there should be a contest (C) [23:24] Next expo is WOC [23:24] sockets save much work on further repairs [23:24] Im going to WOC, and there will be a soldering contest. [23:24] Well there should be. [23:24] * ^Fungus^ imagines CJ trying to solder after a 5th [23:24] theres not even beer at woc [23:25] There is. [23:25] the church basement its in has much to do with that [23:25] clandestine beer is the word of the day [23:25] <^Fungus^> hmm wine [23:26] It's a perfect environment [23:26] i changed my mind and am going to woc, but this will be my last woc if they continue to have it in the church.... [23:26] woc is essentially over at like 7 pm [23:27] oh, and dinner [23:27] they need to fix that tooo [23:27] <^Fungus^> yeah, patries require extracariculars [23:27] * ^Fungus^ kant spel [23:27] Sounds like Dragos is spoiled by the expos that extend beyond the 9-5 one day timeframe [23:28] Damnit Dragos. Yes! The deal you guys have is better. [23:28] Harlock, the unsoldering is the problem. [23:28] i probably would bork the board.. [23:28] ****, wait until the indyclassic gets going [23:28] the only other way to get a good chip would be this: [23:28] pull apart a good board... and unsolder the chip, [23:28] no beer at woc don't bother me much, [23:29] * Harlock can give up beer one day for C= goodification [23:29] and cut teh pins off of the old chip, unsolder them individually... [23:29] What IndyClassic? [23:29] and then solder in a new chip. [23:29] teh unsoldering process is the problem.. [23:29] the soldering process isn't. [23:29] caricon: you'll see [23:29] * _brain_ is considering going. [23:29] socket first dracosilv then plug chip in [23:30] * Arkaxow (~Arkaxow@NewNet-32059755.mad.east.verizon.net) has joined #c64friends [23:30] yes you should go brain and bring some uIEC's to sell [23:31] <_brain_> :-) [23:31] * weirdwolf (~kvirc@NewNet-C6F7C4AC.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [23:31] _brain_: dont make me pull out the scanned image of my repaired K6 motherboard [23:31] hidy ho boyes and gihrls ! [23:31] ok, only question then I have is this next year time, or this year? [23:31] I dropped it onto a toolbox and cut a 1/2" gash right near teh cpu [23:31] next [23:31] Howdy weirdwolf [23:31] Harlock, yeah i know [23:31] unsolder first. [23:31] the thing is.. [23:31] Hey Snog [23:31] Howdy Arkaxow [23:31] <^Fungus^> I need to replace the caps in my PIII motherboard [23:31] * weirdwolf drops back to watch the coversation [23:31] not only did I have to solder it back up, I had to solder wires to replace traces :D [23:31] i don't know how to desolder a dip chip... [23:31] w/o damaging the board. [23:31] that said [23:32] that's the issue right there. [23:32] in the uiec firmware [23:32] <^Fungus^> jbev: I've done that to lots of things =] [23:32] why can I @cd//dev/tmp/ then @cd tasm.d64, but I can't @cd//dev/tmp/tasm.d64 (file nto found) [23:32] f: lol [23:32] dracosilv it's not that hard [23:33] <_brain_> :-) [23:33] <_brain_> images are handled special. [23:33] butbut :D [23:33] what's the main web site for uIEC ? [23:33] note made [23:33] unless the board is trash to start with [23:33] bogax, i've never done it successfully myeslf. [23:33] *myself [23:33] <_brain_> c64-wiki.com/ [23:33] f: there were 30 lines in that half inch I swear [23:34] <^Fungus^> jbev: lucky no mid layer traces were broke [23:34]