[20:56] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:56] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 == and Q-Link!!' [20:56] * Set by Snogpitch on Fri Apr 04 23:47:09 [20:56] Huh? [20:56] hey snog [20:57] <_Six_> There he is. [20:57] Hey Snog! [20:57] Howdy folsk [20:57] http://personalpages.tds.net/~dfisher/pic/ [20:57] Evening Mr. Witmer, sir. [20:57] Dragos: thanks for the free adverts. [20:57] snog, you should not have left indy in such a hurry... [20:57] <_Commodore_> hi Dragos [20:57] speaking of indy, there's a new Indiana Jones movie coming out this May [20:57] <_Commodore_> Hello Snogpitch [20:57] just got home about 10 minutes ago, stopped in Greenfield for dinner [20:57] <_Commodore_> really dunric? [20:57] yup [20:58] with harrison ford [20:58] <_Commodore_> with Harrison Ford as Indy? [20:58] yup [20:58] **** dave, can i put my collection in that room too?? [20:58] <_Commodore_> cool [20:58] it takes place in the 1950s [20:58] It will fit. :) [20:58] <_Six_> Sorry I couldn't make it to Indy, pretty mangled still [20:58] to explain his aging [20:58] Why is there a TRS in with that Commodore stuff? :) [20:58] There are 3. One model 4 and two coco's. [20:58] <_Six_> There's 3, actually [20:59] <_Six_> hehe [20:59] dunric: Are you awake or are you dreaming this? [20:59] The stuff on the trailer needs cleaned before entering the Commodore sanctuary. [20:59] golan: I' [20:59] I'm awake [20:59] Don't laugh. I have a rare green screen non-gate array unit. [20:59] Will I need to be cleaned before entering the Commodore sanctuary? [20:59] of course [20:59] my dreams are usually short [20:59] i bet [20:59] dunric: How do you know? This might be an elaborate dream. [21:00] cleaned and blessed [21:00] dunric - and contain disks, right? [21:00] true, matrix-like zen [21:00] Golan: Only your mind. :P [21:00] Most of my C= dreams contain disks [21:00] * golan is never getting in [21:00] LOL [21:00] <_Commodore_> wow that is a lot of gear [21:00] Dragos, why shouldn't I have left? [21:00] Guaranteed to make you smile broadly. [21:00] What happens if you have to pee in your dream? [21:00] * weirdwolf hands Disc Doctor to Dunric. [21:00] hey snog: how'd the trip go? [21:00] you should have come by, went to dinner out here [21:01] got it, weirdwolf [21:01] v4.0 [21:01] Hey Six, I need chuck to make me a 32" commodore vinyl for the door. [21:01] * Moloch hands golan a coke can [21:01] hjahah [21:01] <_Commodore_> hey Golan [21:01] If it's a dream, I hope I never wake up. [21:01] I was in Greenfield for dinner [21:01] * dunric wonders if Cameron Kaiser chats here [21:01] You should get some C= filing cabinets for the loose manuals! [21:01] Seldom. [21:01] I will work on that. [21:02] Now Moloch. 'bout the frozen trout.... [21:02] * Snogpitch knows where a C= filing cabinet can be found [21:02] Moloch: I'll need more than a can because I have had a six pack already! [21:02] I want the Commodore entry mat that TPUG has. [21:02] <_Commodore_> Dragos you're going to CommVex? [21:02] <_Commodore_> just read that [21:02] looks like it [21:02] was gonna take my wife to vegas this summer anyway [21:02] Snog: yeah, in my basement. :) And a C= Desk! :) [21:02] Snog: I've got one and there are a few for sale in Toronto right now. [21:02] * Moloch smacks Antares51 with 52 long frozen trout!! [21:02] <_Commodore_> cool [21:02] gotta check my work schedule... [21:02] beats lugging around an SX-64 [21:03] <_Commodore_> ah [21:03] kaypros are even heavier [21:03] Yippee. I hit the jackpot! [21:03] dunric - yeah, lugging around an SX-64 in Iraq must have been a pain. [21:03] hehehe [21:03] they need to add armor to them [21:03] bullet proof 64 [21:03] zing! [21:03] I'm happy. [21:03] <_Commodore_> you could hide behind it [21:03] use it as a shield [21:04] I'm worried that if I go to CommVex that Robert's bodyguard will beat me up. [21:04] haha [21:04] What? [21:04] http://www.vintage.org/pictures/LARGE/VCF%207.0%20Exhibitor%20-%20Stephen%20Jones.JPG [21:04] <_Commodore_> who is SDFposter anyway? [21:04] http://www.vintage.org/pictures/VCF%206.0%20-%20Stephen%20Jones%20Exhibit.jpg [21:04] That dude looks tough. [21:04] Golan: Are you referring to the evil bunny? [21:04] sjones ... ;) [21:04] * dunric (~Javauser@NewNet-C74B9633.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:04] <_Commodore_> I thought that was a chick OOPS [21:05] * dunric (~Javauser@NewNet-C74B9633.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [21:05] hahahahaaha [21:05] argh [21:05] Maybe he's so defensive because they're, you know, 'special friends'? [21:05] haha [21:05] WB dunric. [21:05] <_Commodore_> you mean Lovers? [21:05] thanks [21:05] btw, I did toy with the idea of staying in Indy overnight [21:05] <_Commodore_> ewwww [21:05] * Moloch snickers [21:05] hit a bump in the road to Iraq [21:05] * golan thinks of the benefits and vomits [21:05] hmmm... are canadians trustworthy? :) [21:05] * weirdwolf growls [21:05] didn't pass the psych [21:06] <_Commodore_> I'm shocked Dunric [21:06] I love this one: http://www.dickestel.com/images/expo179.jpg [21:06] yeah, well, that's life in the army [21:06] Snog: I have your pocket knife here on my desk. [21:06] He looks animatronic. [21:06] MREs and grenades [21:06] Canadians are fabulous people. [21:06] which is more tasty...dunno [21:06] the robot is soooo old.... [21:06] "In the future everyone will have their own Robert bodyguard, the sjones9000." [21:06] <_Commodore_> haha roflol [21:06] Dragos: Thats what I was going to say. [21:06] hah [21:07] "Whip it, Whip it good! [21:07] the guy in those pics looks kinda like Leif :( [21:07] Who is sjones? [21:07] anyone see those alltel commercials...the "wiiizzzzaaaarrrdddd!" ones? Robert can summon a wizard :) [21:07] hmmm, I guess you can keep the knife until the next meeting [21:07] Fuzz: Low blow! [21:07] <_Commodore_> Yeah, but it isn't Leif [21:07] http://cottonwood.servebbs.com/acug0447/mc4/881883-R1-039-18_017.jpg [21:07] good stuff ;) [21:08] anyone have a spare C-16 case? [21:08] <_Commodore_> where have all the RobertB fanbois gone? [21:08] not a low blow! Leif doesn't look as confused ;) [21:08] * bogax (vircuser@NewNet-E908F932.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:08] <_Commodore_> yep, those two are intimate [21:08] Hello bogax. [21:08] Leif isn't as confused. [21:08] <_Commodore_> ewwww [21:08] Not that there's anything wrong with that. [21:08] * Hellion_1 sets mode: +v bogax [21:08] SnUfFlEs!! [21:08] hello [21:08] Somewhere you folks lost me. [21:08] * Hellion_1 sets mode: +v dunric [21:09] <_Commodore_> no there isn't, excep when it onvolves RobertB [21:09] <_Commodore_> ;) [21:09] what's +v mean? [21:09] Voice [21:09] PaperPaul - voice [21:09] <_Commodore_> excuse spelling please [21:09] * Antares51 is terribly confused. [21:09] ok, cool [21:09] depending on how the early summer goes, I might make it to vegas, too [21:09] omg, you're not still talking about robert? [21:10] I don't understand this conversation and pictures. [21:10] <_brain_> Do what others do in that situation, Ant, start a new topic. [21:10] jim brain? [21:11] Ain't Wendell Wilkie. [21:11] paper paul? [21:11] <_Commodore_> no, were talking about his bodyguard [21:11] thought brain = jim brain [21:11] We're talking about sjones, the fembot ginger [21:11] whoops [21:11] paper paul was comvex 05 I think [21:11] You are correct sir. [21:11] <_Commodore_> minger ? [21:11] oh you JUST had tooo Moloch didn't you? [21:11] * weirdwolf thinks Moloch is a picture hound. [21:11] what happened to the Lemon 64 woman? [21:12] <_Commodore_> looks like a group of "special" people [21:12] * golan likes Moloch's pictures [21:12] she reminds me of the Obama chick [21:12] * weirdwolf bites his tongue. [21:12] My fav: http://www.vex.net/~falco/petscii/roboto1.jpg [21:12] I'm getting too old for this. [21:12] <_Commodore_> I need my windows licked clean, maybe I can hire them [21:12] golan: don't ask to see his Dirty C= pics! [21:12] <_Commodore_> lemme see lemme see [21:12] I like the guy with the hat. He has a Klingon crest pinned to it. [21:13] Kim Lemon's old girlfriend was easy on the eyes. Unfortuately she wasn't easy on the pocketbook. [21:13] was that his gf in the pictures? [21:13] <_Commodore_> that's such a classic photo [21:13] * WizardNJ (~Wizardnj@NewNet-AA16D5C9.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #c64friends [21:13] * ChanServ sets mode: +o WizardNJ [21:13] Arghh! [21:13] I always liked Jeri [21:13] Howdy WizardNJ [21:14] * MikeAZ1 (~chatzilla@NewNet-1D907063.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:14] * ChanServ sets mode: +v MikeAZ1 [21:14] WB Wizard. [21:14] WB Mike. [21:14] <_Commodore_> Jeri is fine, it's the loons that are the problem [21:14] sort of a mini-crush [21:14] Howdy MikeAZ1 [21:14] <_Commodore_> Put it away Paul [21:14] ok [21:14] dunric - yes, that's Robert's gf with the redhair -> http://cottonwood.servebbs.com/acug0 447/mc4/881883-R1-039-18_017.jpg [21:15] Lets talk about C=64's? [21:15] * WIzardNJ2 (~Wizardnj@NewNet-AA16D5C9.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [21:15] What's a C=64? :) [21:15] ant: I was thinking of switching out my breadbox 64 case with a C-16 one [21:15] haha [21:15] dunric: Ports won't match up. [21:15] golan [21:15] Moloch: who's that with the funky black hat? [21:15] really? [21:15] PRINT C=64 [21:15] darn [21:15] You might have a problem dunric. [21:16] <_Commodore_> THAT'S NOT JERI [21:16] Fuzz: That's Lord Ronin. [21:16] <_Commodore_> does she know he's cheating on her? [21:16] Golan: ahah ok thanks! thought so but wasn't sure [21:16] love the hat [21:16] dunric: Unfortunately. A black 64 would look nice. It can be done but it requires some tinkering. [21:16] Classic hat. [21:16] <_Commodore_> I can smell him from here [21:16] <_Six_> yay [21:16] <_brain_> Interesting group [21:16] http://cottonwood.servebbs.com/acug0447/mc4/881883-R1-035-16_015.jpg [21:16] golan: yup [21:16] <_Six_> finally found another dsl to run my website on :) [21:16] <_Six_> http://thedarkside.ath.cx/labpix/ [21:17] Please, not the kitty litter cake. I beg you. [21:17] <_Commodore_> OMG please NO [21:17] six, why not put the website on one of my servers? [21:17] heh [21:17] http://cottonwood.servebbs.com/acug0447/mc4/ [21:17] whats funny is the kitty litter cake is the cleanest thing in the pic [21:17] Six: You are sick man. Your lab rocks! [21:17] <_Six_> because then any cockroaches that wanted to nibble at my toes would be pestering you instead of an otherwise unused DSL [21:17] <_Commodore_> ha ha Dragos, and so true [21:17] <_Six_> And I'm not one to draw fire to my friends. [21:18] curious: does anyone use Fast Load? [21:18] nah, noone wants to **** with a place that takes abuses seriously [21:18] my irc proxy has had 0 hits... [21:18] <_Commodore_> brb [21:18] * _Commodore_ is AWAY (brb). [21:19] PaperPaul - nope, generally we use far superior carts [21:20] * Antares51 uses Super Snapshot 3. [21:20] I've got to get around to modding my Fast Load. I want to put a reset and a disable on it. [21:20] <_Six_> I wish I could say the same about this bounce box. [21:20] All cartridges should have that. [21:20] * PinaBarista pokes his head in for a minute [21:21] * Moloch smacks Pina [21:21] BTW _Six_. Are you the famous Six/Style? [21:21] haha [21:21] No, he's the infamous Six/Style. :) [21:21] well, Fast Load isn't bad...I also have Final Cartridge III [21:22] Oh, oh. [21:22] <_Six_> didn't think I was famous OR infamous [21:22] <_Six_> DLoC might be infamous [21:22] dunric - almost any cart is better than Epyx Fast Load [21:22] <_Six_> But yeah, I'm Six/Style [21:22] true...but Fast Load is cheap [21:22] * Antares51 wraps Moloch in a compression feild. [21:22] * PinaBarista ows [21:22] <_Six_> or Six/CCCC or Six/NSR or Six/DLoC depending on who you ask. [21:22] brb [21:22] * dunric (~Javauser@NewNet-C74B9633.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: ) [21:22] Six is modest. [21:23] Six is before Seven [21:23] Indeed. [21:23] * Antares51 places Moloch in stasis. [21:23] Six/EIEIO? [21:24] no... VI [21:24] Six: you've written some really neat software. [21:24] my 3000t/040 is possibly for sale.... if anyone is interested... [21:26] I couldn't afford it. [21:26] <_Six_> Ant: Well, I've been lucky enough to be on some good teams. [21:26] <_Six_> And thanks [21:26] brb, dinner.... [21:26] Bye Dragos. [21:26] I gotta build up some ham gear before I get more C= stuff :) [21:27] w00t [21:27] I got plenty of C= gear. Soon I'll have the space for it. [21:29] * Antares51 removes Moloch from stasis. [21:30] yea, I think i'm good for 8-bit stuff. I do need to actually look into the A3000, see if it actually works [21:31] * Q-Link (~qlink@NewNet-F9F35691.ltshosting.net) has joined #c64friends [21:31] Entered QRoom: Snowcat [21:31] Left QRoom: Snowcat [21:31] * Q-Link (~qlink@NewNet-F9F35691.ltshosting.net) has left #c64friends (Try QuantumLink RELOADED!) [21:31] that was a quick visit? [21:32] what's wrong with epyx fast load? [21:32] it's not all that fast [21:32] It doesn't work with the MSD [21:32] kinda limited in usefulness, imho. I thought Warpspeed was better. [21:33] WarpSpeed is far superior, yes [21:33] IMHO it's not very fast, doesn't have many features and it isn't compatible with some software. [21:34] mach 5 and mach 128 were pretty good, before we had jiffydos we had the mach 128... worked with most software [21:34] <_brain_> FL is the Timex Sinclair of speeders [21:34] <_brain_> :-) [21:34] hahaha [21:34] lol [21:34] Good one Jim [21:35] * _brain_ has one (maybe two). It was his first, and he'll keep it, but he never uses it. [21:35] I have both Mach 5 and 128. I like them both. [21:35] http://www.import64.com/Average_Timex_User.jpg [21:35] <_brain_> Nothing like a good metaphor. And, anytime you can work in a Sinclair dig, more power to ya. [21:36] * _brain_ has been reverse engineering the CMD HD DOS as of late, so he's in JDOS land all the time. [21:37] :-) Moloch [21:37] _brain_, sweeeeet. [21:37] which version of HD DOS? [21:37] Jim: you fighting my same 5 year fight with CMD HD dos? [21:37] and I gave up! [21:38] <_brain_> Hmm, I'll check, SNog. [21:38] <_brain_> I'm mainly seeing what all the commands do and how they act... [21:38] <_brain_> The internals are less important. [21:38] <_brain_> Trying to make sd2iec/uIEC as CMD-HD comptaible as possible. [21:39] <_brain_> Almost got FCOPY to think uIEC is a CMD HD drive. [21:39] <_brain_> I need to implement long form directory listings, blech. [21:39] * Dopple is all wide eyed now. [21:39] <_brain_> It's pretty sweet now. [21:39] Does it allow file timestamping? [21:39] very cool. [21:39] You have my undivided attention Jim. [21:40] all of our undivided attention [21:40] * Dopple shows Jim where the podium is. [21:40] <_brain_> JDOS works like a champ, Unseen had to tweak JDOS emulation timings for NTSC (he tested on PAL) [21:40] RobotB v6.55-SpockAlpha-RC3 reporting for duty. [21:40] SD? I2C? [21:40] <_Commodore_> RobotB say someting [21:40] * _Commodore_ is BACK from being AWAY (brb). [21:40] * JoeCommodore (~joec@NewNet-A8F08E23.goldrush.com) has joined #c64friends [21:41] <_Commodore_> hello guys, I'm back [21:41] Hey Joe [21:41] Howdy JoeCommodore [21:41] <_brain_> bogax, uIEC is a CF drive. sd2iec is a SD/MMC drive [21:41] <_brain_> They both use the same codebase. [21:41] Hey everybody [21:41] Hello Mr. Anderson, sir. [21:41] Jim: They haven't seen the rest of your projects have they? [21:41] <_Commodore_> uIEC, I like that [21:41] I have pleanty of CF and SD all ready for seomthing to stick it in. [21:41] <_brain_> I'm very impressed by the little critter at present. [21:42] but are you using I2C? (must be if it does MMC?) [21:42] <_Commodore_> Could you do a uIEC-USB [21:42] <_brain_> It's very cool when a project gets to this phase [21:42] * rrCurtisP (~Curtis@NewNet-5EE519AC.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:42] <_Commodore_> for USB drives [21:42] HD-DOS-V1.86 is the last one I have [21:42] <_brain_> bogix, SD cards use SPI, not I2C [21:42] Howdy rrCurtisP [21:42] Hello Curtis. [21:42] _Commodore_, why bother? SD and CF are way popular and cheap. [21:42] <_brain_> _Commodore_, actually, that is possible. [21:42] <_Commodore_> CF are not that cheap really [21:43] $67 for 16GB? That's pretty cheap [21:43] <_brain_> The goal is that one drive will do both. [21:43] they do? hmm, I thought they were I2C [21:43] <_brain_> nope, SPI. [21:43] in either case, SD is cheap. 2GB SD cards are about $10-12, more than enough room on them [21:43] <_Commodore_> Not as cheap as a USB stick [21:43] <_Commodore_> true SD is cheap [21:44] <_Commodore_> CF is on the way out [21:44] any way, you don't have the secret insider SDIO knowledge? [21:44] There are CF to SD adapters... [21:44] CF is cheap when you get up in huge sizes. [21:44] yea, those too [21:44] <_Commodore_> not around here [21:44] Hiya, JoeCommodore [21:44] <_brain_> bogax, dunno. Unseen did the SD routines. I did simpler ATA/IDE routines for the CF cards. I'd ask him. [21:44] I have a thing for CF, it's a really durable package. [21:45] <_brain_> He does seem to have a bunch of SD-specific code in there, as he support SDHD cards as well. [21:45] <_Commodore_> I have a CF card in my A1200 as it's main drive [21:45] <_Commodore_> works well [21:45] I was thinking about doing a CF > IDE > SCSI for my CMD HD. [21:45] <_brain_> I liked CF, because then someone can attach an IDE drive if they wish. [21:45] does uIEC do 16bit or 8bit? [21:45] <_brain_> 16 [21:45] _brain_, that's another reason to like CF. [21:45] <_brain_> And, it supports drives > 137GB :-) [21:45] cool [21:46] Too bad CF seems to be being phased out for all but high-end digital SLR's... [21:46] I though about using a CF as the main drive in my 4000 toaster. [21:46] <_brain_> Not that anyone will care [21:46] did punch ever get his thing going? [21:46] <_Commodore_> I like the concept of CF, but it's expensive and getting harder to get hold of here [21:46] err thought. [21:46] <_brain_> Well, the same code will run SD. [21:46] he was on about the timing but didn't look to me like it was all the critical [21:46] Geeks has 5GB Seagate CF HDD's real cheap [21:46] <_brain_> But, I don't think it will do USB sticks. I thought you were referring to USB to a PC. [21:47] http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-CF-Dual-Slot-2-5-IDE-Bride-adapter-card-for-NOTE_W0QQitemZ3002 13636254QQihZ020QQcategoryZ41994QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [21:47] <_Commodore_> well that too [21:47] I came in late, hows uIEC coming along? [21:47] <_brain_> Working fine. [21:47] Hellion_1, i got one kinda like that, but smaller. [21:47] <_brain_> Right now, I am trying to make it run with apps like FCOPY and such [21:47] <_Commodore_> I think uIEC is a fantastic project [21:47] punch said if you didn't folow the timing fairly closely you'd run into things that didn't work [21:47] <_brain_> I think the code is ready for a run by CCCC EXPO [21:48] Dopple: THe guy that makes those also make a CF to 2.5" SCSI adapter. [21:48] brain have many problems that way? [21:48] Cool~ any eta on packaging for sale? [21:48] Hellion_1, hm... [21:48] I am looking to get one of those for my CDTV project. [21:48] <_brain_> On what, bogax? [21:48] doin an IDE interface [21:49] <_brain_> No, IDE was pretty easy. IEC was tough, and JDOS was impossible (for me, anyway), I eventually caved on my JD routines and borrowed Unseen's. [21:49] <_brain_> bbia few minutes [21:49] <_Commodore_> My A1200 IDE-CF is here http://tinyurl.com/2hsdmt [21:49] <_Commodore_> scroll down [21:50] <_Commodore_> IDE is simple, but yeah I wouldn't even attempt IEC [21:51] Hellion: http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=015215&cid=990 .545 [21:51] Why bother with an IDE-CF adaptor and then CF cards when SSD are so cheap? [21:51] hmm, IEC didn't look that complicated, but I can't say I ever delved very deeply [21:52] Golan: I loked at those, but my new Amitrix SCSI-TV's use 2.5" SCSI drives. [21:52] golan, that's expensive [21:52] <_Commodore_> Because it works [21:52] 8GB of CF is like $35, plus about $10 for the CF to IDE adapter. [21:52] Hellion: Then you'll need a SCSI to IDE adaptor. [21:52] I like the fact that CF to IDE adapters are cheap and the cards are cheap here in the states. [21:52] Then $30 for the IDE to SCSI [21:52] there are a lot of CF -> IDE adapters out there, not any CF->IDE i know of... [21:53] Golan: I am waiting for a guy on ebay to finish constructing his CF to 2.5" SCSI adapters. [21:53] * dunric (~Javauser@NewNet-C74B9633.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [21:53] hello again :) [21:53] WB dunric. [21:53] Dopple: Hellion just showed a dual CD adaptor that costs $38 and requires two CF cards. You're also introducing another point of failure. Also, we're talking about pathetically tiny amounts of money here. [21:53] I can do a 16GB SCSI interfaced CF card thru IDE for under $100, it'll look like a Timex user, though. [21:53] Hey dunric [21:53] hey joe [21:53] <_brain_> back [21:54] timex sinclairs? [21:54] More adaptors == PITA. [21:54] <_brain_> bogax, IEC is more complex than one thinks. [21:54] golan, Right, I only need 2GB for the CMD HD, even 1GB is fine. The adapters will be about $40-50. Then I just add whatever size CF I want. [21:54] The clock on the wall says "that's all". Niters all. [21:54] Lots of guys are using SCSI to IDE converters with CF to IDE adaptors. [21:54] later anr [21:54] er ant [21:54] <_Commodore_> goodnight antares [21:54] * Antares51 (~Richard_E@NewNet-641EFC4C.om.om.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.) [21:55] <_brain_> The issue wasn;t getting the IEC protocol to work, it's ensuring that it works under all conditions. [21:55] <_brain_> Like when someone hits run/stop in the middle of a dir listing or file load. [21:55] <_brain_> When other devices are on the line. [21:55] Golan: What do the SCSI to IDE converters look like? I am limited on room [21:56] http://cgi.ebay.com/Acard-AEC-7720U-SCSI-To-IDE-Bridge-Card-Adapter-3-75_W0QQitemZ1802301 12739QQihZ008QQcategoryZ31494QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [21:56] <_brain_> The 7720 is a good card. [21:58] does anyone know if the SX-64 can be hooked up to a larger monitor? [21:58] <_Commodore_> yes it can [21:58] cool [21:58] <_Commodore_> it has the same video port as the C64 [21:58] I might pony up some cash for one then [21:58] Dopple: That is to big for my application. My drive has to fit into one of these: [21:58] http://www.amitrix.com/scsi-tv-faq.html [21:59] <_Commodore_> I would consider adding a switch to disable the built in monitor [21:59] The 2.5 inch drive bolts right to the card and fits in the expansion port of a CDTV. [21:59] yeah, that would be distracting :) [21:59] two screens at once [21:59] <_brain_> dunno, I use an SX for demos all the time, and the screen is a help. [21:59] * lordronin (~lordronin@7A1E55C2.68A28F0F.E153056D.IP) has joined #c64friends [21:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +o lordronin [21:59] <_brain_> I can see what I am doing without having to always look at the projector. [21:59] and he made it finally [21:59] hey lord [21:59] ah [21:59] <_Commodore_> and also that would save the little screen from wearing out [21:59] Hoi dunric [21:59] Howdy lordronin [22:00] <_Commodore_> Hello LR [22:00] I really need to mod my sx with a 5" LCD. [22:00] Hoi Snogpitch, got the newsletter just the other day [22:00] Hoi _Commodore_ [22:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_SX-64 [22:00] <_Commodore_> Mine is pristine so I want to keep it original [22:01] <_Commodore_> I have a spare monitor for my SX anyway [22:01] bak [22:01] <_Commodore_> hey W* [22:01] Hello L R [22:01] Yea, one of mine is damn near perfect, the other is close... they both have jiffydos and system reset buttons now [22:01] Hoi BeeMan [22:01] <_Commodore_> Hey W* I had a look at that file you sent me and I can see what you mean now [22:02] * _brain_ feels a bit guilty for owning 4. [22:02] <_Commodore_> they are extremely rare here and I have owned two local ones [22:02] _brain_, nothing to feel guilty about unless you beat up some kid to get them :) [22:02] <_Commodore_> sold the not-so-good one [22:02] <_Commodore_> even then... [22:02] <_Commodore_> >:) [22:03] <_brain_> I remember drooling over them at K-Mart when they were new [22:03] http://www.erikschubach.com/vintage/sx-64-paper-model.php [22:03] my first one came from the rochester hamfest, missing a handle bad kernel rom [22:03] I still want an SX64 [22:03] paper sx-64 for paper paul :) [22:03] you're right, SD is SPI (I know, you already knew that) [22:03] <_brain_> yep. [22:03] <_Commodore_> yes, my first one was missing the handle too [22:04] <_brain_> The newest codebase support dual SD cards... [22:04] <_Commodore_> ha ha Dunric [22:04] <_brain_> And, it support multiple partitions per card. [22:04] <_brain_> Way cool. [22:04] dopple, when did you get one at the hamfest? [22:04] Plus/4 is a good machine to program on [22:04] I wrote a few adventure games on that beast [22:04] yes dunric it is, I like them too [22:04] sort of a darth vader look to it [22:05] <_brain_> Years after the SX went away, in 1994 or so, someone sent me 2 for free... [22:05] I don't know why the Plus/4 doesn't get any respect. I always liked it. [22:05] no sprites, no SID [22:05] <_Commodore_> my defacto father in law threw out a working Plus4 [22:05] me either golan [22:05] Harlock, about uh... 6 years ago, iirc. [22:05] <_Commodore_> and he knows I'm into Commodores! [22:05] mebbe 5 years [22:05] oh ok dopple, [22:06] only commodore I got at at a hamfest was amiga500 with a busticated key [22:06] I brought it to C4 last year. [22:06] Wiz was nice enough to get me another latch for it... :) [22:06] Though, I dare not use my original KB cable, only have 1 of those. [22:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Plus/4 [22:07] I need to get one of the blue covers that go over the handle screw for my SX. [22:07] I do have preferance for C16, same basic as plus/4 and looks more like a 64 [22:07] yea, i'm missing those on this sx... my other one has them [22:08] <_brain_> One of mine is bone stock and complete, except for the manual. [22:08] harlock The C-16 was an interesting machine...though the 16K was a roadblock [22:08] yes it was a roadblock, thats why I did all 3 of mine up to 64k, not terribly hard either [22:08] Hello _Commodore_ [22:09] now this is my favorite C= 8-bitter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_128 [22:09] the accessory bag is highly coveted, too [22:09] 128's definately cool, but I never had one of them though [22:09] * Q-Link (~qlink@NewNet-F9F35691.ltshosting.net) has joined #c64friends [22:09] Entered QRoom: Snogpitch [22:09] <_brain_> I have one bag, though I'm always on the lookout for more [22:10] * stiggity (stiggity@NewNet-A173EB33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:10] harlock: awesome machine...I got mine in 1985 and upgraded to a C-128D not too long after that [22:10] {Snogpitch} Howdy stiggity [22:10] hey snog.. [22:10] 128D's are cool beans [22:11] Hoi stiggity [22:11] har: they are, but mine has trouble loading a lot of C64 commercial software...especially games [22:11] Was on my 128D today for the last 7 hours [22:11] unlike my flat C-128, which doesn't have a problem [22:11] lord: cool [22:11] lord: what'd you do? [22:11] dunric - user error [22:11] well if I had a 128d I wouldnt worry myself, I still have couple 64's to run 64 stuff [22:11] LR!! WHUZZUP!??!? ehhehe [22:12] * bogax (vircuser@NewNet-E908F932.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net) has left #c64friends [22:12] har: me too...I have a breadbox 64 [22:12] * RobotB (tristar@NewNet-5BE0EEC5.silenceisdefeat.org) Quit (Quit: RobotB v6.55-SpockAlpha-RC2 Shutting Down.) [22:12] y0 st!gg!ty [22:12] whuddup young buck? [22:12] both mine are like that dunric, ones rev.a other is rev.c I think [22:13] yup [22:13] just tweaking a bit with tada code [22:13] brb later [22:13] dunric was doing proof reading and some editing on the operation lost cat stories. Now that they have been converted from PET to Geos [22:13] * dunric (~Javauser@NewNet-C74B9633.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: ) [22:13] stippigty well sky prices and if we are lucky, hemlines are "up {EG} [22:13] Pina:whatsya working on? [22:14] lordronin: ehhehe.. yeah gas prices are up where i live.. :( [22:14] lordronin, was that some rpg adventure? [22:15] stiggity ther are times that I am glad I can't drive anymore. Like when gas is up to over 10 times what I paid for it as a teenager [22:16] torchwood time [22:16] Harlock, sort of it is a long erotic story that I wrote at the request of the local members. Actually a part 2 in a series. But based on RPG adventures [22:16] if i couldnt drive id go nuts.. [22:16] oh ok LR [22:16] rrcurtisP midnight for me to see tourchwood. [22:16] but I am nuts and a complet nutter. [22:17] * bogax (vircuser@NewNet-CC1AE99A.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:17] eheh.. suhweet!! is your bbs back up? [22:17] Hoi bogax [22:17] 'lo [22:17] * Harlock missed torchwood earlier [22:17] Snuffles! [22:17] Harlock only 670 pages of a story mind you. Based on different events in the old Top Secret game [22:18] * Dopple likes the Feder Tucker spelling of "compleat". [22:18] any coding wizards here? [22:18] stiggity not yet, have to redo the entire new mech with a LLFORMAT. PArtition register is buggered up. Then need to have the house fixed so I can bring the HD and 128D back [22:18] Dopple, old english style saw it in the OED [22:18] * wildstar looks around for Roland [22:19] lordronin, ah, ok. [22:19] what you looking for bogax? [22:19] lr:itz been a while since i called, but it was sad to hear you had hardware issues... [22:19] <_Commodore_> you like writing LR? [22:19] hahaha... Family Guy's Lois: "Peter, I'm holding hooters." [22:21] <_Commodore_> ha ha Dopple [22:21] _Commodore_ can't say, don't think of myself as a writer. Just the only one that is willing to do it in the area. Reminds me I have to start on the Geos series for commodorefree soon [22:21] Good evening all. [22:21] Hoi Hellion_1 [22:21] * Hellion_1 (~Hellion_1@NewNet-49FD4784.unk.tds.net) Quit (Quit: ) [22:21] LR, used to be a time I could go through 200 to 300 page books in a day, just not recently [22:22] stiggity sanity check, one of the routines on codebase looks a little funky to me, wondering if I'm missing something [22:22] Hear ya, love to read but recently not in the right mind set. Still have one of the prequel Dune books to finish. [22:22] http://codebase64.org/doku.php?id=base:rather_small_and_rather_fast_screen_offset_componen t_splitter [22:22] bogax: huh? i dont understand you.. [22:23] I been going through one of robert jordans conan books for quite a while, one of those 3 novels in one trade paperback things [22:23] <_Commodore_> will it have eroticism in it LR? [22:23] <_Commodore_> could spice it up a bit [22:23] <_Commodore_> ;) [22:24] bogax:lookin' good!!! [22:24] im going to change my forground to neon green.. [22:24] <_Commodore_> Robert not here? [22:25] there's a couple of things that I would think should (obviously)be done to improve that, but I'm not sure that not I'm missing something [22:26] bogax i still need to thank you on the lessons on bcd to decimal conversions.. [22:26] been smooth sailing since our last chat!! [22:27] welps, im beat.. l8r all.. cya pina!! [22:27] * stiggity (stiggity@NewNet-A173EB33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: ) [22:27] Harlock still collecting the REH Conans as they pop into used books stores. Got Kull and Red Sonja from REH [22:27] * c64geezer (~mike@87176A09.C7D36B6D.AB80CE00.IP) has joined #c64friends [22:27] _Commodore_ oh it has eroticism, fetish and is more so than John Normans Gor books [22:28] <_Commodore_> 'ello geezer [22:28] hi all :) [22:28] I only got really into conan after I picked up the rpg last year [22:28] the mongoose conan rpg that is [22:28] <_Commodore_> what sort of fetish LR? [22:28] hi c64geezer [22:28] * Moloch (moloch@arkanixlabs.com) Quit (Quit: ... it's always Satan, the fallen god, and there is always those in their search for god seem to find Satan instead ...) [22:29] _Commodore_ though I saw Robert jack out a while ago. Didn't think he was going to be here this week from what I caught last time around [22:29] * lordronin sets mode: +v c64geezer [22:30] _Commodore_ B&D S&M institutionalised female slavery. Set in 1971ce [22:31] <_Commodore_> ok, sounds a bit full-on [22:32] lordronin, in that bunch of floppies I got, I found an original Quantum Link floppy. First one I ever saw. [22:32] _Commodore_ Based on the mens action adventure books of the late 60s into the mid 70s in theme and style. [22:33] Really 'geezer? I have a few including my original that was corrupted. Even some of the bookletrs that came out and the catalogue of files [22:33] <_Commodore_> Like a sexually perverse James Bond? [22:33] I sat it aside to see if it would still boot. Haven't yet. [22:34] commodore, isn't that the norm for james bond? [22:34] <_Commodore_> B&D /S&M James Bond? [22:34] _Commodore_ You got the bond part right. Google up John Norman and his 25 volume Gor sereis to catch the rest [22:34] hmm, wonder if I've got an of those GOR books around still, havn't read any of them in years [22:34] oops...meant I haven't tried booting it yet. [22:35] C64geezer. You want on the new Q-Link, and I think that disk may be of help. Have to ask others here on that trick [22:35] <_Commodore_> Are those novels designed to arouse the reader? [22:35] <_Commodore_> like a mills and boon for men? [22:36] not unless you're into that would be my guess, they're relatively tame [22:37] (but then, I only read the first five or six) [22:37] <_Commodore_> oh, ok. What about LR's writings? [22:37] <_Commodore_> are they tame? [22:38] what writings are those? [22:39] <_Commodore_> his stories [22:39] _Commodore_ google up on John Norman, whos is Professor John Fredrich Leigh IIRC at an eastern US university in sociology IIRC. [22:39] <_Commodore_> ok LR brb [22:39] not familiar with them [22:39] Oh my stories, tame to what I have lived in the past. But perhaps arousal for some. Can't be the judge of others standards and viewpoints. [22:39] * Fuzz-PSW (~IceChat7@NewNet-269E8AD1.algonquincollege.com) Quit (Ping timeout) [22:40] * PinaBarista returns from helping rid his friend's computer of spyware [22:40] * Fuzz-PSW (~IceChat7@NewNet-269E8AD1.algonquincollege.com) has joined #c64friends [22:40] * CheechMonger (Supposium@NewNet-E1F64A82.rlando-03rh16rt-04rh15rt.fl.dial-access.att.net) has joined #c64friends [22:40] lordronin...sorry, but no phone line here. [22:41] 'Geezer don't need one as the Inet is where the new Q is created. Ask Snogpitch about it, as he goes there regularly. [22:42] LR, I did get yer email from last week, I just haven't gotten to reply to it yet [22:42] oh, ok..didn't know...too much to learn for this oldfatboy. [22:42] I'm not into BDSM or fantasy, but I do like SF [22:42] <_Commodore_> OK LR, so your stories are based on your own real life experiences? [22:43] Harlock NP, I have 372 in my stack that need replies. Never enough time for things {G} [22:43] <_Commodore_> Whatever floats your boat I guess [22:43] c64geezer yeah I know that feeling very well [22:43] well lot to reply to write in that one so in next day or 2 [22:43] GOR isn't very good SF imo but they are entertaining but there not very pornographic not even soft porn (they [22:44] 'd be more fun if they were) [22:44] bogax I did some fantasy for LoadStar in the past. Have some that are not as erotic. Well the girls do dress in uniforms akin to original star trek. I am antifeminist in nature. Finish off those and can pas them around for a laugh [22:44] <_Commodore_> what is an antifeminist exactly? [22:44] _Commodore_ ah how do I say this polietly? Ah yeah man, drawn from real life experiences and exaggerated for story lines [22:45] <_Commodore_> OK LR that sounds like a fair enough basis for a story line [22:45] <_Commodore_> ;) [22:46] bogax I have all 25 in my collection and a letter from John Norma. I wouldn't call them even soft core porn. You can cut out about 15 pages in each book as it is repetitive. But some girls I new declaimed tham as porn and worse terms. [22:46] _Commodore_ I do not agree that a girl needs to dress or look or act like a man to receive equal pay. [22:47] * IanC returns [22:47] Evening All. [22:47] Hi, IanC [22:47] * CheechMonger (Supposium@NewNet-E1F64A82.rlando-03rh16rt-04rh15rt.fl.dial-access.att.net) Quit (Quit: ) [22:48] * worldlam (worldlam@NewNet-F9F2188E.lapine.crestviewcable.com) has left #c64friends [22:48] <_Commodore_> I think they can act how they want, wear what they like and do what they like as long as they don't enforce it on others [22:49] <_Commodore_> If they do the same job they should get the same pay [22:49] well, of course there are nut jobs in the world that will label any thing that doesn't follow thier cannons as pornographic [22:50] heh my older sister (who introduced me to the Gor books) did set me down and explain that they were just fantasy .. [22:50] <_Commodore_> in my experience the most erotic moments are not in what is said, but what is *not* said [22:51] _Commodore_ I prefer my girls to be mini skirted and fem. Yet be educated and capale. Brains and beauty. But it appears that is not the current flap of the fad. [22:51] <_Commodore_> what is understood need not be discussed [22:51] <_Commodore_> ;) [22:52] bogax, yeah I love my Gor books. But they are fantasy in the traditions of the earlyy 20th century writers. Like Conan Doyle. First three books have the same premis in the outline [22:52] <_Commodore_> Fads come and go. [22:53] * PinaBarista likes Sherlock Holmes [22:53] * lordronin has the illustrated Holmes Omnibus with original sTrand illustrations [22:54] <_Commodore_> I don't read much beyond technical manuals [22:54] <_Commodore_> unfortunately [22:56] _Commodore_ I didn't discover SCi-Fi till 30 years ago when afreind turned me onto Heinlien and Asimov. REad only tech manuals and history stuff in College, OK with a dose of philosophy as well. [22:56] * PinaBarista checked something like that from the library, with original illustrations, but hasn't gotten the next volume where Holmes gets resurrected after his "death" in _The Final Problem_... [22:56] Now to just understand what the 64 prg ref book is saying [22:56] <_Commodore_> you should, it's pure fantasy [22:56] <_Commodore_> :) [22:57] One I have is complete for every issue from the Strand. Meaing that ther are a couple early ones and a few of the later ones missing. [22:57] I think one thing to keep in mind is that many girls these days don't feel comfortable at work dressed in mini-skirts because many of the youngs guys would be trying to hump her leg and all and not do their job. [22:57] or old guys for that matter [22:57] <_Commodore_> yep, there is that [22:57] Didn't happen in the past wildstar. That to me is just a wannabe man excuse [22:57] * iViper (~petergree@NewNet-637E62A.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Broken pipe) [22:57] <_Commodore_> times have changed [22:58] I always thought of the Gor books as sort of modernized Edgar Rice Burroughs, and straight out of a pulp tradition [22:58] * BeeMan (~Javauser@ED2F6B99.DF3D9821.E5CFCB82.IP) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:58] * Hershey (~Javauser@NewNet-488A1E16.dynamic.mts.net) has joined #c64friends [22:58] This is social-generation cultural matters. [22:59] _Commodore_ agrred but freedom says that I don't have to, like my stand for the C= as well. [22:59] Hi all [22:59] bogax yeah that is what I am saying. Stock basic pulp fiction of the old school. [22:59] <_Commodore_> true LR I'm not judging you [22:59] Hoi Hershey [22:59] <_Commodore_> opinions will differ [23:00] There had been issues in the past. Not everywhere but isolated issues but now with ever spreading and growing number of rape cases and issues of that matter. It is a issue of the difference in times. [23:00] Granted opinions will differ. Be horrible if all were the same charcoal gray suit wearer {EG} [23:00] right, I'm saying I agree except I don't think of Conan Doyle [23:00] and comfort zone and beliefs. [23:01] <_Commodore_> Rape is also being reported much more often then in the past [23:01] brb guys [23:01] wow i sure came back at the wrong time... [23:01] wildstar I read a report on that and heard a few years ago a comment on that on NPR. Bottom line is yes the rape. But notice how it has happend as girls becvome more like men? That was the premise of the article [23:01] Hence eveb driving even more as it gets media attention [23:01] * PinaBarista hunches over VICE, tapping away maniacally [23:01] <_Commodore_> so the numbers may not be increasing as much as you think, they are being reported more often [23:02] flippity flappity floop [23:02] <_Commodore_> yeah, this is getting way OT [23:02] <_Commodore_> waddup Dopple [23:02] bogax, well the premise is the same for the Tarzan series, MArs series, moon maid series, and his other works. First book, man goes to new place, meets girl, end of first book man loses girl. [23:02] * weirdwolf (~weirdwolf@NewNet-AD4C7C05.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:02] * Steve[cug] (steve@NewNet-E448BBAA.net) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:02] * rrCurtisP (~Curtis@NewNet-5EE519AC.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:02] * Dragos (Dragos@victwenty.org) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:02] Perhaps. Woman didn't have equal rights until the 60s [23:02] next book man returns to claim girl [23:03] So woman didn't report it or they reported it but it was never officially filed. 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(Snogpitch)' [23:03] <_Commodore_> yes W* that's what I said [23:04] <_Commodore_> now there is more help and support for victims [23:04] * rrCurtisP (~Curtis@NewNet-5EE519AC.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [23:04] * weirdwolf (~weirdwolf@NewNet-AD4C7C05.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [23:04] * Dragos (Dragos@victwenty.org) has joined #c64friends [23:04] * Steve[cug] (steve@NewNet-E448BBAA.net) has joined #c64friends [23:04] * hidden.routing.hub sets mode: +vaov weirdwolf Dragos Dragos Steve[cug] [23:04] * hidden.routing.hub changes topic to 'We Adore Our C64 == and Q-Link!! (Snogpitch)' [23:04] * weirdwolf (~weirdwolf@NewNet-AD4C7C05.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:04] * Steve[cug] (steve@NewNet-E448BBAA.net) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:04] * rrCurtisP (~Curtis@NewNet-5EE519AC.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:04] * Dragos (Dragos@victwenty.org) Quit (stealth.routing.hub hidden.routing.hub) [23:04] <_Commodore_> so they aremore likely to report rape [23:04] <_Commodore_> what is happening, I'm getting dizzy [23:04] If consider it hasn't grown but stayed the same, you can figure there is almost twice per capita. [23:05] * rrCurtisP (~Curtis@NewNet-5EE519AC.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [23:05] * Dragos (Dragos@victwenty.org) has joined #c64friends [23:05] * Steve[cug] (steve@NewNet-E448BBAA.net) has joined #c64friends [23:05] * hidden.routing.hub sets mode: +aov Dragos Dragos Steve[cug] [23:05] * hidden.routing.hub changes topic to 'We Adore Our C64 == and Q-Link!! (Snogpitch)' [23:05] * weirdwolf (~weirdwolf@NewNet-8735D888.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [23:05] * PinaBarista peers [23:05] <_Commodore_> wouldn't want to speculate without facts, but that is possibly the case [23:07] <_Commodore_> anyway back to C= discussion [23:07] I have no problems with what a woman wishes to wear for work. It is her right and perogative. If she has issues of sexual harrassment by co-workers wearing certain types of clothes, she wouldn't be comfortable. Lets not forget that sexual harassment occurs throughout high-school and that often has an impact. [23:08] But the toipic went astray on thye point that these writings are being done on a C=. Geos/Wheels to be precise. PRoving that it can be done for us in the C= world [23:08] * fotograf (~fotograf@NewNet-20DDD8E.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: fotograf) [23:09] Yeah. [23:09] any luck with ideas for an rpg in basic, lordronin? [23:09] Now using the abilities of GeoPub. Would be possible to make an illustrated book. Using Postscript in booklet lay out. Then it is possible to make a local comic book [23:10] * MikeAZ1_ (~chatzilla@NewNet-1D907063.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [23:10] PinaBarista you meana Basic D&D game or a game written in basic? [23:10] Can be done but believe me, it will be slow when you involve gfx and intensely logic [23:10] Hoi MikeAZ1 [23:10] LR: A BASIC D&D game would be cool. [23:11] Basic would require a mess of loading different parts. While keeping certain stats or flags if that is the correct term in place. A feat that I don't know how to do [23:12] * MikeAZ1 (~chatzilla@NewNet-1D907063.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [23:12] Well Pina* if you mean like the pink box 1980 set. Got that and expert, companion, masters as well as immortals for game work. Ben running three off and on for a few years. [23:12] Seems like I started one a while back; before I worked with a BASIC module loader; it was going to be a clone of the TSR board game "Dungeon!" [23:12] * MikeAZ1_ is now known as MikeAZ1 [23:12] * MikeAZ1 (~chatzilla@NewNet-1D907063.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]) [23:12] LR: I have an ML module which will let you keep two programs in memory while preserving variables. :) [23:13] If you remember the Pool of Radiance games... Any other sophisticated RPG game with stats and other stuff plus many other variable and monsters with some "intellegence" would best be ML. [23:14] Dungeon is a simple game. But would need gfx to make it feel right. [23:14] ML is something I do not yet know anything about. [23:14] It is easy to preserve variables if you set variable in memory (Poke) and remember where it is and what sequence of variables (like pseudo registers). It is what you do in ML very fast all the time. [23:14] I had a thought similar to pinabarista, say on a 64 use the unused chunk of ram at 49152 for saving data in ram and some ml to keep it inorder [23:15] Sort of follow that with the little I recently gained in learning the memory map of the 64. [23:16] Yeah, I was going to do a redefined character set for the Dungeon! clone; at one point I had my Hearsay 1000 speech synth saying the instructions aloud. :) [23:17] LR: You really don't need to know anything about ML to use the module loader; just SYS 49152,"module name" as long as the modules are lines 20-1000 [23:17] brb [23:19] well I'm off to get some rest, backles sometimes tomorrow [23:19] * Harlock (~Harlock@NewNet-72CDE75C.home1.cgocable.net) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [23:19] In your case, I'm not a coder butI can tell you as a gfxian - you'll probably be working with multicolor bitmap for gfx. [23:20] actually, easier to just do a redefined charset in basic [23:20] Pian* that is something that I can follow but then what does this module loader exactly do for the basic prg? [23:20] This is what you would likely need for developing a game, lord ronin [23:20] wildstar well you know the type of gfx that I am interested in for any game work we do [23:20] <_Commodore_> poke 65495,1 = TRS-80 speedup poke [23:21] lordronin: It keeps lines 1000- in memory, and lets you load anything you want for lines 20-999 :) you can make modules for your game so you don't run out of memory :) [23:21] Pina* yeah been working with a tool off and on to make a char set. No idea how to load it at this time. [23:21] A) A storyline/creative person (option but in this would good) That role is best suited for you [23:21] lordronin: depends on the tool. which is it? [23:22] Some simple chargen creator that will load and save the font that you are making, as a 9 block file. Got it from Chameleon a while back [23:22] wildstar, yeah story line and developement is where my skills have lain for the last 30 years in the actuall games [23:23] B) A coder/programmer knowledgable with ML and understands Baisic (BASIC would be really too slow but potentially capable and might serve to prototype a logic) [23:24] C) Graphician (knowledgable in full-screen, logo, fonts, sprites) [23:24] well, there's only a few spots the VIC-II chip can see redefined characters, so depending on the font load address, you just move the top of basic pointer up. it shrinks the memory free, but you can have a pretty font at the same time. [23:24] D) Someone knowledgable in Music and sound effects. [23:24] D) would be a Musician / SFX artist [23:24] e) someone knowledgeable in wisecracks -- I nominate myself! [23:24] \o [23:25] That can be ok. Other positions are optional but this is probably the most spartan group of people. [23:26] Pina* I read that in the book. But funny I just don't see how it is done. Think it was the prg ref manual I saw something like that in [23:26] Well Harlock has shown interest so has Nightlord [23:26] Sometimes you may need more then one person in different categories but this covers the basic area. The storyline deal should be one person or one group closely working together to form the story. [23:26] There's a few bits which control the address of the character generator (the "font") -- I forget the address, and the bits, but... [23:27] Something that I must get back to in the future Pina and try to learn. So much to do and learn and pulled in so many directions [23:28] If nightlord is interested, he would be suited in the coder category [23:28] Given his grasp knowledge of ML [23:28] * nightlord (~nightlord@NewNet-D2F8F3F5.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [23:29] Guess what nightlord appears. [23:29] Aand speaking of the entity [23:29] Hoi Nightlord [23:29] hey everyone [23:29] VIC-II, I usually store my custom SET under the Kernel ROM, and put my screen in the $c000-c400 range, keeps BASIC from moving si I can still compile. [23:29] Hey nightlord [23:29] How is Seattle/Tacoma? [23:29] Hey there nightlord [23:29] * PinaBarista writes down Joe's tip [23:29] hmm pretty good I guess :) [23:30] Joe I see ML in that statement. Someday I'll feel qualified to tackle that. Yet I see that it doesn't move Basic [23:30] nah, just hexadecimal addresses [23:30] I do not know whose handle weirdwolf is :) [23:30] Still leaves 3k for ML, though you sould have a basic line to reset video you can blind type to run if the program crashes while debugging [23:30] nightlord: Jeremy is weirdwolf [23:31] someone from ACUG? [23:31] ohhh ok [23:31] Acug and Upchug email lists [23:31] :-) [23:31] hi jeremy [23:31] Hey [23:32] Not really ML, you just gotta have the right POKES, theres a screen utility to calc the POKEs for you, I think I have it in my programmers disk. [23:33] nightlord: I read your posts on the Upchug list. [23:34] nightlord, how are things going for you? [23:35] weirdwolf: pretty good. just the usual busy work and trying to find c= time at home :) [23:36] thanks for asking. how about you [23:36] looks like the screen pokes utility is on my programmers disk 1 http://www.portcommodore.com/files/proguts1.zip [23:37] nightlord: just comparing notes with Dragos and Golan about the proper way to handle flame retardant. [23:37] weirdwolf: ??? heheh [23:38] is pelleas here? [23:38] * DragosMacAWAY was kicked by Dragos (Dragos) [23:38] weird [23:38] I have not been on as that for a few days [23:39] ok, sanity check here... [23:39] Nightlord: ;-) Just teasing some one directly. [23:39] if someone broke into your house at 3 am, and you beleived you or your families life was in danger, what would you do(assume the phones dont work) [23:40] Nightlord: I am doing quite well.. [23:40] Dragos: what are you speaking of? [23:40] JoeCommodore: I agree; I'd have that POKE line in a program line, GOTO1000 would do the trick... [23:40] i think i said it quite clearly [23:40] Dragos: Bludgeon them with my UPS! [23:40] * Hershey (~Javauser@NewNet-488A1E16.dynamic.mts.net) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [23:40] \o/ [23:41] anyone else? [23:42] weirdwolf: do you plan on coming to next upchug meeting [23:42] * rrCurtisP (~Curtis@NewNet-5EE519AC.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC) [23:42] nightlord: probably not.. In the middle of a move to New York soon. [23:42] Probably only going to fit in some time to Astoria before I go. [23:43] weirdwolf: wow good luck with the move. I had moved so mouch in the last years that even talking about it gives me the chills now :) [23:43] though I'd love to come, its just not in the cards right now. [23:43] Dragos why that is simple, play catch with you and that loaded cap and ball 45 at my bed. Then calm the kitties back down and return to sleep. After looting yur body of course. [23:44] * weirdwolf bites his tongue [23:44] nightlord: thanks.. Going to need all the patience moving. [23:46] At least nightlord seems to have settled at a location. [23:46] well, 100% of the people who responded (thnks both of you) seem to share my outlook... [23:46] heheh yeah hopefully at least for some time [23:46] break in = bad [23:47] sorry Dragos, was afk. [23:48] yup. and if the bastards TOUCH any of my C= equipment, they get castrated [23:49] We got so much junk in our apartment they'd probably kill htem selves before they got too far. :-/ Though being in an apartment we's make a lot of noise and wake the neighbors. [23:49] Nice. [23:49] BTW, Joe, any thoughts on getting Silicon Realms available via telnet? :D [23:50] Most of my time is a large PHP project for work, though I am getting back to 8-bits, don't think SLR will be up in the forseeable future, have a couple games I want to write first. [23:52] Dragos, I'd shoot their kneecaps out with that .308 and do what I can to defend my family and disarm the F***. [23:52] Then get the police in and explain the whole story. [23:52] Dragos: how about I just teleport them right to you? [23:53] Joe: Ooh. Games. :) [23:53] * PinaBarista still fiddles around with the translation of a game from Apple to C= [23:54] Yeah, I have a minigame I started a couple years back that I want to finish, and my brother passed away a couple weeks ago, and want to get Flash Attack re-written as a tribute to him. [23:55] Law does permit self-defense under the conditions in which your life is threaten or in reaso to fear that your life is in danger. [23:56] Aw, I'm sorry, Joe... :( [23:56] I figure with FA - I would get the 64 Flash cable version written and offer source to those who would like to internet it. [23:56] Yeah, his passing was real sudden, friday he was out and about, tuesday he was gone. [23:56] Flash Attack: Not really familiar with it.. what, it takes two computers cabled together? [23:56] Oh no! [23:57] Do they know the cause? [23:57] Not sure, it my be a genectic condition in the family, liver failure was the known cause. [23:58] you can learn about FA at my fanboy page on it: http://www.portcommodore.com/flashi ndex.php [23:59] * sentinel (sentinel@hunter.of.shadows) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:59] * lordronin (~lordronin@7A1E55C2.68A28F0F.E153056D.IP) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:59] It's a two-computer game written for the PET back in 1980, really ahead of its time.