[20:54] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:54] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 == and Q-Link!!' [20:54] * Set by Snogpitch on Mon Oct 01 10:31:36 [20:54] Howdy folks [20:54] * Snogpitch is now known as EggSnog [20:54] Much better. :) [20:54] Hi Snogpitch. [20:54] That still amuses. [20:54] how much snow or ice you get today? [20:55] Left QRoom: Zip Ct [20:55] So far, 4 inches of snow, but most of it turned to slush when the rain started at 1 this afternoon [20:56] {ShadowM} I had to move my car so it wouldn't get towed for the plows [20:56] wonder what Dayton got, we were supposed to go there today, but didn't. [20:57] I was listening to Dayton radio this afternoon, but their forecast of weather sounded like what I got today [20:57] it is minethe other is broken [20:57] ops [20:58] Our user group had it's Christmas party, didn't get to go :( [20:59] I drove down to Loveland this afternoon to pick up a donation, roads weren't bad then, I was doing 65 on the freeway, it was just wet and at 4pm temp was 35 [20:59] * RobertB (~robertber@NewNet-944BD69D.nocal.dialup.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [20:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao RobertB RobertB [20:59] Howdy RobertB [21:00] Hi, Snog. [21:01] * fotograf (~fotograf@NewNet-20DDD8E.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:02] Hi, fotograf. [21:02] RobertB!!! How's it going??? [21:02] I'm on vacation for 3 weeks. :-) [21:04] Do you plan to rest during those 3 weeks? [21:04] Well, a bit of travelling around in N. California. :-) [21:05] I tried to get Christmas cards out in the mail today, didn't quite finish that task, had to go out and buy more cards. [21:05] SWEET! Got the holidays off for a change myelf! :) [21:06] I don't get the holidays off. Proably have to work Christmas night. [21:06] * Darren0_1a (~Darren@NewNet-6D2EF931.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:06] I'm off until Tuesday, hopefully all will be done by then [21:06] Howdy Darren0_1a [21:06] Hello [21:07] * Hellion_1 (~Hellion_1@NewNet-CE5D8AC1.unk.tds.net) has joined #c64friends [21:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Hellion_1 [21:07] Howdy Hellion_1 [21:07] Hey everyone... [21:07] now that was a quick trip to the liqupr store [21:07] * Wildstar (~Wildstar@B9F685EE.AEFAE7B8.6C75C244.IP) has joined #c64friends [21:08] Howdy Wildstar [21:08] Roads are crap! Bourbon can wait. [21:08] Oy! Working on Christmas night... Hope you get paid overtime. [21:08] hello Snog [21:08] Caricorn: agreed! You definitely should be comped! [21:08] They pay double time up till midnight. [21:09] Hi, Hellion. [21:09] Hey RobertB. [21:10] Hi, Darren. [21:10] Where do you work dude? [21:10] RobertB, how did you enjoy seeing Jack [21:10] ugh [21:11] In front of famous people, I'm always for a loss of words. [21:11] I would have loved to have been there [21:12] Ya, same here [21:12] Entered QRoom: Snogpitch [21:13] Can't wait to see some video [21:13] {Snogpitch} Howdy folks [21:13] Well, Valerie of CHM says that if this event went well, then perhaps Jack can be coaxed to come out again. [21:13] {Snogpitch} looks like Q is working tonight... [21:13] Alan, you haven't seen Cameron's or the CHM videos yet? [21:13] Not yet [21:14] Do you have any urls handy for that? [21:14] *plop* [21:14] only video I looked at so far is the small snip from CNet I think it was only 3 minutes or so [21:14] * Moloch (moloch@arkanixlabs.com) Quit (Quit: There was in their city a bronze statue of Moloch extending its hands, palms up and sloping toward the ground, so that each of the children when placed thereon rolled down and fell into a sort of gaping pit filled with fire.) [21:14] Robert: Is there some reason that you refuse to adhere to netiquette and cross-post properly? [21:15] Not right here, but you can go to http://cbm.videocam.net.au and there are the listings I have, right on the news page. [21:15] The CHM video just came out last night. [21:17] So how long was the whole event as far as actual discussion? [21:17] * mech (~a4000@NewNet-BD0195F.area5.spcsdns.net) has joined #c64friends [21:17] I think I need to start issuing cancels. [21:17] Howdy mech [21:17] howdy [21:17] wb mech [21:17] You mean, the panel discussion and the q-and-a session? [21:17] no, the 3000t is still in the garage... [21:17] Hi, mech. [21:18] yes, the formal part of it all [21:18] Dragos: that 3000t comment for me? lol [21:18] About 90 minutes. [21:18] yes [21:19] Dragos: i know your just another damned collector hoarding stuff till it goes up in price,i won't ask anymore ;)) [21:19] bah [21:19] hehe [21:21] so anything exciting happening with anyone? [21:21] It's all downhill from here, Mech. ;-) [21:21] hehe [21:22] Mech: just about to start coding some more in a bit. :) [21:23] what ya working on fotograf? [21:23] * LordRonin (~lordronin@NewNet-33879EA0.dial1.seattle1.level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +o LordRonin [21:23] Hoi Gang [21:23] Does anyone know what the Catholic church's position is on homosexuality? Robert? [21:23] Howdy LordRonin [21:24] Hoi EggSnog [21:24] Finished my Lorenz attractor anim; buddy of mine is putting the raw footage together and mixing music. Now I'm abot to start coding the Roche Limit. :) [21:24] I think that Robert is on, isn't he? [21:24] anyone here have a catweasel mk4? [21:24] Hi, Dave M. [21:24] LordNLpt2: Sure. [21:24] i do [21:24] Hoi RobertB [21:25] golan: what are the settings of the 3 filter select jumpers for the sid sockets? [21:25] i misplaced the box and manual/cd for mine [21:25] and the cd images which explain the filter jumpers are not available online [21:25] LordNLpt2: I don't know and I can't get to my manual right now. Sorry. [21:26] drat [21:26] the sid output oin that card is terible [21:27] Dragos: its better than nothing. my c64c is dead and i have a spare 6581r3 [21:27] * JoeCommodore (~joec@NewNet-A8F08E23.goldrush.com) has joined #c64friends [21:27] it was unusable for me [21:27] c64's are still a dime a dozen arent they? [21:27] way too much noise [21:27] they are mech [21:27] Howdy JoeCommodore [21:28] Hi there! [21:28] * redrumloa (~kvirc@NewNet-1917C326.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) Quit (Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/) [21:28] the filter cap select jumpers are 3x2 (the single jumper is seperate and controls 9 vs 12 volts for the sid sockets) [21:28] Hey Robert! [21:28] golan: The Catholic Church opposes gay marriage and the social acceptance of homosexuality and same-sex relationships, but teaches that homosexual persons deserve respect, justice and pastoral care. [21:28] Merry almost Christmas, Larry! :-) [21:28] Hoi JoeCommodore [21:28] brb [21:29] but at the end of the day they are still homosexuals..... [21:29] lol @ EggSnog's nick [21:29] Hi LR, Snog, W*, everybody [21:29] lo: Thanks, lo. I was hoping to hear more about how it effects Robert. [21:29] golan: well, he probably shouldn't attend mass [21:29] So did Jack say Business is War? [21:29] Dragos: do you have your manual/cd handy? the printed manual is available online, i'm more interested in the one on the cd [21:30] lemme look [21:30] http://siliconsonic.de/t/CWMK4_english.pdf <- the little manual which was included in the box along with the cd [21:30] In the FWIW section of the day. Group here was working with the DEF FN statement and recovering SEQ files from disk for our char. gen. project [21:31] * JavaUser (~Javauser@NewNet-6CB99D9D.ip.mcleodusa.net) has joined #c64friends [21:31] [Sat:09:14:pm] Robert: Is there some reason that you refuse to adhere to netiquette and cross-post properly? [21:31] hehe [21:31] Was the data from another prog LR? [21:31] LordRonin: dear god thats a lot of acronyms and abbreviations in one sentence [21:31] Howdy JavaUser [21:31] I know Robert does a lot of his posting on a 128, he may not be able to cross post. [21:32] JoeC* the basic idea came from another prg. But the data came from the programme we are working upon. Loads of input# statements. Plus mega amount of tab uses to plawce the numbers in the correct format on screen. [21:32] JoeCommodore: He uses his 128 as a terminal. Regardless, if you can post, you can cross-post properly. It's okay, I'll just issue the cancels. [21:32] jeez, wildstar, rb and golan, i am out of here.... [21:32] * JavaUser (~Javauser@NewNet-6CB99D9D.ip.mcleodusa.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:33] LordNLpt2: Practing what I am learning at the moment. Someday I'll be able to programme. Now to figure out how to add the different skills for selections. At least I am keeping the RPG jargon down this time around {G} [21:34] Data files are kind of tricky starting out. Input# on the Commodore is not always your friend. [21:35] it's icing outside, and they are still saying 6-8" with winds up to 40mph tomorrow. [21:35] brr [21:35] Yow, that is terrible! [21:35] Great... [21:35] yeah, and they said 4 inches today and we got one [21:36] But not as bad as the hurricane-force storm that went through LR's part of the world. [21:36] we just got about that too, but it's been windy, and it's raining ice now. [21:36] Nah, 100-150+ MPH winds in Astoria (Dec. 2-4) was terrible. [21:36] At the moment it is just the name string, gender string. Then around 6 integers for the stats. These are sent to the disk in a s,w format. Then recovered with a command from the menu. Spacing is the big bummer as well as colour changes. Blew the gosub return part for the menu just before chat tonight. [21:36] * LordNLpt2 wonders: has anyone ever written a replacement kernal/basic rom for the c64 which adds new/more useful commands for the vic and sid, and fixes some of the microsoft basic bugs? [21:37] Hey we gamed eeach night. Had chile coked on the gas heater. Had a mess of beer. But I went through C= withdrawls. Gust upt to 85 tomorrow they say. [21:37] you mean like Basic V4? [21:37] There have been patches for the ROM but everyone has to have them for it to be useful. [21:38] You mean 65 MPH? [21:38] There is a trick for positioning on the string without prints, either through a couple POKEs, or you can have a few bytes on ML. [21:38] 85... I hope not. [21:39] KMUN has said earlier today, ok about a couple hours ago 85. But those are the gusts near the beaches. [21:39] sounds like good kite flying weather [21:39] I hope you are nice and warm now, LR. [21:40] Well JoeCommodore. So far we were using tab for the print to the screen. Not yet on print to paper part. But that is coming. Want the numbers to line up on the screen as they d o in generation when recalled. On paper it will be full character sheet layout. [21:41] poke 214,X:poke 211,Y:sys 58732:Print "Your Message" -- Prints Your Message at X=ROW Number, Y=Column Number [21:41] RobertB heater on, going for energy assistance, beef cooking for a simple din din. Cats playing and making a bigger mess here than we usually are wat th is time of the week. Oh yeah in case I forget, Happy Channukha and Merry Xmas to you. [21:41] Maybe you don't want the POKEs then [21:42] Our Christmas will be celebrated next Sunday, when everyone can gather. [21:42] Probably 65 in town. [21:43] http://cgi.ebay.com/GVP-G-Force-040-Accelerator-for-Amiga-2000-2500-Toaster_W0QQitemZ22018421 4198QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [21:43] JoeCommodore right I remember the point formula for the screen memory map. Went over that the other day for reference. Though I am not sure if it would work for the plans we have wawt this moment. Need to use the colour map as well. Learning though and that is the fun part. Now we have a project more to our interests. [21:43] someone is smoking crask [21:43] or crack [21:43] whichever [21:43] I would avoid TABs as they don't seem to line up well maybe use STR to make your numbers into strings, then use LEN to figure out length and use SPC to pad the output. [21:44] If your folks are gathering on Sunday, how long do they plan to stay? Being that Christmas is actually two days later... [21:44] Just one day, Snog. [21:45] Hmm, I had thought on spc for the spacing. Tabs are what we have discovered. Don't know about STR and LEN yet. But that is something to look up in the manuals. Now that they are making sense to me. Scary is I did a brief look at ML and it wasn't as bad as before. [21:45] I'm going to be visiting a co-worker on Christmas eve and day, him and his wife invited me over [21:46] RobertB then that is the only day all the family can be together? [21:46] Yes, LR. [21:46] Taking my sleeping bag with me for the sleep over [21:46] Then may it be a pleasent time for all. [21:46] We had the menorah going in the kitchen. Helped light up the plwace as well as the ceremony. [21:47] Likewise, LR. Snog, I hope you will be comfy in your sleeping bag. [21:47] For me it was friends and the nightly games till 3am [21:47] Not sure how much actual sleep I'll get tho, their kid is pretty active [21:47] LR, are there such things as battery-operated menorahs (to cut down on the likelihood of setting fires). [21:47] ? [21:48] example: PRINT SPC(15-LEN(STR$(s1$)))+str$(s1$) would put the stat on the right of a 15 space block [21:48] Jokes where that it would have been better if we were playing a sword and sorcery game, rqther than an espionage one. With the lanterns and candles [21:50] wow, it's still 36 outside? the snow will be almost gone before the next wave hits [21:50] Is it snowing in Cinci, Snog? [21:50] not at the moment, it's raining [21:51] We're going down to 29 degrees F. tonight. HIgh will be about 52. [21:51] Next wave of snow is supposed to start at 8am Sunday [21:52] JoeC* just copied that down. Not sure how it would work with what we have for a format. There are about 6 stats at this time. Not counting name string and sex string. Each stat has a 2 character abbreviation in one colour and the number for the stat in white. Numbers can be single or double digit. We have a IF THEN statement with wa new placement variwable if the number is double digits so it will line up right. [21:52] Hey the tramiel talk video is up at chm: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/index.ph p?view=previous§ion=calendar [21:52] 46 here and I wonder if we will snow, or just get ice this year [21:52] ok, back... what I miss? [21:52] Next wave they say 2am here. 6-8 with high winds. And I have to work tomorrow. [21:52] Our next wave of rain will be on Tuesday. Hopefully, we can get a 1/4 inch out of it. [21:52] Have you had any snow yet, Snog? We haven't had any yet [21:53] AlanR, it snowed this morning, got about 4 inches, then at noon it turned to sleet, and at 1pm it turned to rain. [21:53] Robert you mean you don't wwant our 6+" we had in IIRC 18 hours? [21:54] The parking lot this afternoon looked like someone dumped an oversized slushy [21:54] Not at all, LR! [21:54] Well using that satement you can set a block up and whatever the length (up to the size) will fit. Put the color as a seperate string as it would throw off the length. [21:54] Dragos: so, any luck? [21:55] Rain is needed in California right now. [21:55] cant find it atm [21:55] Right. [21:55] u can have some of our rain [21:55] Keep the statement around LR if ytou don't use it for the screen it will be handy for the printing. [21:55] Larry, is that CHM video the same one on YouTube? [21:56] We still haven't made up from our drought this summer [21:56] Dragos: u after the 040? [21:56] no [21:56] Duno, I have no clue there was one on YouTube, it's 200 MB, from CHM [21:56] that price is way outta whack [21:56] Robert & Joe, well we have some coming our way. You can have few inches of it {LOL} [21:56] Dragos: ok, thanks for looking [21:57] dragos: thats a 040,they are getting more scarce for the 2k [21:57] Thanks, LR. [21:57] hold on a sec [21:57] JoeC* have it on the memo pd to be copied to the computer notes disk Thanks for the tip. [21:57] Dragos: seen the price on a 2060 or wildfire lately ;) [21:58] Firefly: You Here? [21:58] why accel up a 200 that much anyway [21:58] Yeah, Larry. I posted the news of the YouTube video. Just find the comp.sys.cbm thread or go to http://cbm.videocam.net.au and look on the news page. [21:58] * Caricon (~Caricoin@6258843C.64D822F7.31DE32BF.IP) Quit (Quit: Caricon) [21:58] Dragos: well back i nthe toaster days they were nice i guess,these days not much makes snese [21:58] sense [21:59] I'm DLing the CHM one (38MB so far) after that I'll Compare. [22:00] whats in the video [22:00] ? [22:00] LR you have seen some of the other character creators? Though they are almost all AD&D not anything new. [22:00] are you guys talking about posting to usenet from the commodore? [22:00] Jack Tramiel Talk and C64 25th Anniversary at the Computer History Museum [22:01] oh cool [22:01] I saw in the cNet (or one of those) that Cameron had a few seconds of fame. [22:01] JoeC* oh yeah a mega mess of them from Q-Link for AD&D as wellas Basic. I have some gamma world, heroes, champions, traveller and top secret ones. Bugger liked to blitz them though. But some of them are in basic and I am using the monster maker one for the basis of our project. [22:02] btw one interesting thing: i'm sure everyone knows the sid is relatively 'noisy' but after consulting the dieshots it becomes quite obvious why: the data bus runs RIGHT UNDER the main volume control, the filter mode selects, channel filter selects, etc on the 6581 and 8580 dies. [22:03] wow that site is slow [22:03] this means that unless you latch the bus for sid specific accesses, all c64 bus access noise will come right out through the sid [22:03] latching the bus means that only sid-specific accesses will produce noise [22:03] Big problem is in skills. They are related to one of the scores. In not only the points to spend, but the level of the skill listings one can reach. Not at that point yet. But wanting to figure out how to keep track of the skills purchased, as well as the points spent, and keep the user out of skill areas past his level. [22:03] Lord: interesting. But what that a design comprimise? [22:03] Which site, Himie? [22:04] I know some people are interested in getting the emulated SID to have that noise, they complain the digital vcersion is too clean. [22:04] fotograf: not sure. [22:04] JoeCommodore: you're kidding, right? [22:04] Joe is that the SOAC= thing I reada bout in CommodoreFree? [22:05] No, I've heard it from some people, it's like the blur on a tube monitor sometimes those flaws enhance the game's look. [22:05] Have to agree with those points [22:06] blur on a tube monitor caused by composite video artifacting is one of the 'new things' to emulate, but just plain old blur? [22:06] At last Saturday's CAN meeting, one member complained that his SX-64 was just not outputting a clear enough picture to his HDTV. [22:06] * RamaOEM (~anon@BB2E090C.798B7716.6C75C244.IP) has joined #c64friends [22:06] plain old blur can be done relatively simply using bilinear filtering [22:06] Howdy RamaOEM [22:07] Hello =) [22:07] RobertB if it is the site that Joe put up on the list a while back. It is slow, very slow in dial up. I cancelled out of it [22:07] * Darren0_1a (~Darren@NewNet-6D2EF931.hsd1.md.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.) [22:07] Hoi Clone attempt of mine {VBG} [22:07] RobertB: tell him to use s-video. if he's not, of course the picture will be a blurry mess [22:07] That's what he was using. [22:07] Hello =p [22:07] if he is, he may have to mod the sx-64 output somehow to reduce interference [22:08] Rama, hqave you seen the acug0447.com web site yet? [22:08] RB: You sure, I did Svideo on the TV at CommVEX [22:08] Smeg gotta get that left pinky finger fixed someday [22:08] if the vicII is socketed it may be possible to install it on a passthru daughterboard on the socket with some filtering built in to reduce interference [22:09] the commodore 1702 monitor happens to be one of the best ntsc displays i've ever used for anything [22:09] I'm wondering if the use of subscripted variables and dim arrays would help with that skill prog on the char. gen. [22:09] Maybe the person has a 5-pin video cable and not an 8, that would reduce quality. [22:09] Hmm. Well, he's complaining that the pic out of the SX is just not sharp enough. [22:09] RobertB: could be lousy s-video input on his hdtv [22:09] Arrays make rolling a lot easier. [22:09] LordNLpt2 that is what we use around here for game monitors and for TV watching, several 1702s [22:09] crappy adcs or something [22:10] Yeah, that's what I thought LordN. [22:10] No not yet [22:10] Joe, problem with the rolls is that they are three D6. But if they come up triple, then there is a sub set for a roll. Tht was fun to write out. Before Ifound the DEF FN thing in the prg ref manual today. [22:10] The fonts on being output from the SX to the HDTV are ghosting. [22:12] Larry, on the Olevia HDTV that we were using at CommVEx, did you notice any ghosting? [22:12] If that was a regular TV I would say the focus needs adjusting. [22:13] LR you make an aray for stats s(1) to s(6), you use a for next loop to count the element (for stat = 1 to 6) in the loop you 'roll your three/four dice and put result in s(stat), finish loop. [22:14] Oh, BTW, Larry, Micro Center has a video projector (with built-in speaker) for $400 (after rebate). [22:14] I am most tempted to buy it (of course, I'd have to check it out first). [22:14] On the HDTV it was pretty sharp, but one aspect was that I had to barely connect one of the leads else the picture was bad (?), have him play with the RCA couplings. [22:15] LR don't use stat as a verable, the 64 will think it is ST and give you a bed result. [22:15] Joe so in the array, we are dealing with three separate rolls taht are totaled for say the STR attribute. How is it checked to see if those three rolls are triples, and then go to the section where another pair of D6 are rolled? [22:15] He was using a custom DIN-to-S-video cable that he bought from eBay. [22:15] a while back I snaged a svideo video out cable for the commie that even has a 9 pin connector for the 128 80 colum mod [22:16] mode [22:16] it looks great on my 73" Mitsubishi [22:16] In your loop you call your dice generator three times and add together thje results, put hten in your stat element and then finish the loop. [22:16] Joe, that is a question for you. What is the variable ST? There is a line in the prg that we are using for the basis that runs like if st<>0 then return [22:16] Ooo, that's nice, Himie. [22:16] was only like 10 buxes so I snagged it [22:16] BRB. [22:17] I have a 36" VGA monitor, the big tubes for presentations [22:17] It is the Drive status variable it reports a number representing end of file, etc. [22:17] it only has a vga input and is max 800x600 [22:17] OK I can see the loop for three rounds. But not how to compare the results. This sounds as if it is t least a 2 dim array? [22:17] Left QRoom: ShadowM [22:17] * |redrumloa| (~kvirc@NewNet-1917C326.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #c64friends [22:18] so I got an upconverting switch box and a s/video to vga adaptor to run the commodores [22:18] Thqanks Joe for the ST information. That actually is close to what we had thought from tearing aprts the lines in the print out of the prg. Nice to know we were on the right track. [22:18] Hoi redrumloa [22:18] and the amigas do 800x600 native in 16 bit I think with the cybergraphix and picassos [22:18] Ok, let me coe it up rreal quick you want best three out of four, or jus sum of three, or best 6 out of seven rolls? [22:18] <|redrumloa|> Hey lord! [22:18] er code it up, I am typing real bad right now. [22:18] redrumloa [22:18] are you in florida? [22:18] <|redrumloa|> Himie [22:19] <|redrumloa|> Yup, Boca Raton [22:19] you got a bunch of books on ebay right now? [22:19] <|redrumloa|> bidding [22:19] I thought I saw you listed as the seller [22:19] <|redrumloa|> I'm a buyer, not a seller atm [22:19] <|redrumloa|> nope [22:19] it said you were fro palm bay, right? [22:19] <|redrumloa|> nope, that's the seller [22:20] well, we should coordinate our attack so we don't run up the bid on each other [22:20] I'm back. Relatives just came through the door. [22:20] quick, close that door! [22:20] RobertB send a Mazeltov to them from the hippy freak [22:20] * DemongerX (~jasonwhit@NewNet-7B2F9E30.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) has joined #c64friends [22:20] <|redrumloa|> Well, I want thi stuff :-) [22:20] Howdy DemongerX [22:20] Hello, snogster. [22:20] I was bidding on machine langage books [22:21] <|redrumloa|> Hehe, I am done with the Jim Butterfield one though. Too high :-( [22:21] but if you tell me which ones I won't bid on them [22:21] * smj (~smj@NewNet-F48CD4CB.freeshell.org) has joined #c64friends [22:21] Howdy smj [22:21] Hi, Steve. [22:21] * smj fills up a glass of cold eggsnog [22:21] cheers. [22:21] yo [22:21] rbt, thanks for all those updates and links re: C64 25yrs [22:21] Joe no not exactly. There has to be a check in the roll. To see if the three simulated numbers for 3D6, are triples. If they are, that is a special case, and the player will get a 2D6 roll to add to his stat. [22:21] Hoi DemongerX [22:22] that is easy [22:22] Hello, Lord Ronin. [22:22] especially thanks for putting them on every forum multiple times and quoting your post, that way we cant miss it [22:22] No prob, Steve. Hey, Larry says there's another link at the CHM website now. [22:22] http://www.asciilifeform.com/parallelsid/mp3/ussr.mp3 <- example of EXTREME BUS NOISE on a parallel port connected sid. [22:22] neato. I liked the google comment jack made :) [22:23] or more likely, the sid in question needs a reset [22:23] I haven't seen that comment yet, Steve. [22:23] Lord: OMG! Thats just cool!!! I like that noise!!! :) [22:23] I'll give you extreme bus noise... [22:24] vroom.. vroom... [22:24] quick n dirty [22:24] * RobertB can't have eggnog. [22:24] 1000 dim s(6) [22:24] 1010 for x = 1 to 6 [22:24] 1040 t = int(rind(1)*6+1) + int(rind(1)*6+1) +int(rind(1)*6+1) [22:24] 1070 if t = 18 then t = t + int(rind(1)*6+1) + int(rind(1)*6+1) [22:24] 1060 s(x) =t [22:24] 1070 next x [22:24] well you were in the lecture ;-) [22:24] or sorry. [22:24] interview. [22:24] you were there I saw you :) [22:24] holding a video camera to your eye [22:25] Yeah, that's me, Steve. Just call me the Video Cyclops. ;-) [22:25] were you one of the 'volunteer' camera operators? [22:25] or was that your own camera? [22:25] My own camera. [22:26] OK. it seems that it was a good event. [22:26] The pros had the big pro cameras. [22:26] It was an excellent event. I wish I could have enjoyed it more, instead of always videotaping. [22:27] leave the cameras home next time :) [22:27] :-) [22:27] where was the event? [22:27] yeah.. and some cameras you don't have to put up to your eye. [22:27] Joe, I follow most of that. But if I am reading it correctly. It only covers triple 6s rolled. Not say triple 3-5 inclusive. Or am I missing a part there? [22:27] And when everything started happening, it just went by too fast. [22:27] The event was in Mountain View, California. [22:29] if you roll 18, it then add a second two rolls to the total. [22:29] thats too far for me [22:29] so whats next rbt? [22:29] mossycon IV? [22:29] Where are you, Himie? [22:29] The youtube video is the same as the one on the website (but you can download the one at CHM) [22:30] florida [22:30] Next is Commodore Gaming at CES in January. [22:30] there is an app on usenet called youtubeget [22:30] Hey, Himie, Bil Herd came all the way from New Jersey for the event. [22:30] I think it is version 4, works great for snagging youtube vids and converting them to divx or whatever youw ant [22:30] Joe, at the first we did s1=;s2=:s3= Does it run on Linux? :-) [22:30] well, if I was invited personally I might have attended [22:31] no, but vmware does, and so does wine... so yea, it can... :) [22:31] Thanks, Larry, for clearing up what's on YouTube and what's on the CHM website. [22:31] Joe no Idea how to prg in linux. But someday that is a good idea for me to learn. Char. Gen on linux. [22:31] No the linux thing was about the youtube video capture thingie [22:32] However, Larry, which one has the better video quality? [22:32] * golan (~golan@NewNet-80735462.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: Dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.) [22:32] character generator? [22:32] character generation is easy! [22:32] well... in its simplest form [22:32] The CHM seems to have better audio and seem better video as youtube is usually compressed for bandwidth [22:33] Ah-ha, the CHM one is the one to get! [22:34] LR : So all three rolls are equal not just triple sixes? [22:36] DEfintely much nicer video on the CHM version [22:37] w00p [22:37] Sorry Joe, was looking at a picture of my daughter in law. Hadn't seen her yet. As for linux and youtube. Haven't tried that yet on kubuntu 7.04. [22:37] so did someone say they were posting to usenet from the commodore? [22:37] Right the prg must hunt to see if the rolls are all triples fromm 1 through 6. Then for house rules we have a check line to see if it is less than 9. [22:37] I do so, at times, Hime. [22:37] Himie. [22:37] what app do you use? [22:38] you can call me ***hole if you want... I'll answer... [22:38] ***hole. [22:38] Desterm 2.01. [22:38] in fact, I thought that was my name till I was 6! [22:38] Ok LR give ma a minute or two... [22:38] brb [22:39] does it all do the same, add the extra roll for tripples, or only trip 6s? [22:39] its been a long time since I was a part of a programming conversation I cared about... [22:40] Himie has to see if the three separate D6 rolls are triples. Regardless of the de face number [22:40] all my guys use visual studio, or some c crap, or php, or crappy dot net [22:40] BRB. [22:40] We did it with a mess of lines for three separate variables such as s1, s2, s3 for the strength roll. There are 5 other stats that have to be rolled. [22:41] right, I got that, I was asking if you added the value of the extra roll to the trip 1-5s, or just the trip 6s [22:41] Oops fellow member reminded me that there are 7 stats total for the character that have to be rolled. [22:41] ./timer111 1 30 /msg lordronin 7 stats [22:41] Himie that is any triple that is rolled. Then the prg goes to the next section where it adds the 2D6 roll to make the grand total for that stat. [22:42] Himie got a strange thing on the screen from you. No idea what it means [22:43] ok, here's my adjustment [22:43] 1000 dim s(6), d(3) [22:43] 1010 for x = 1 to 6 [22:43] I'm back. [22:43] 1020 t=0 [22:43] 1030 for y = 1 t to 3 [22:43] 1040 d(y) = int(rnd(1)*6+1) [22:43] 1050 t = t + d(y) [22:43] 1060 next y [22:43] 1070 if d(1) = d(2) and d(1) = d(3) then t = t + int(rind(1)*6+1) + int(rind(1)*6+1) [22:43] 1080 s(x) =t [22:43] 1090 next x [22:43] rnd not rind (god my fingers are going everywhere) [22:44] I was just going to ask what rind was from b4 [22:44] thought I forgot a command [22:44] you know, there are perfectly good char gens out there in basic already [22:44] 1030 should be 1 to 3 not 1 t [22:44] try dragon circa 1985 [22:45] Writing that down Joe for an experiment. [22:45] I miss basic [22:45] yep I'm typing in a text editor, not able to run it - didn't catch the bugs. [22:45] m$ came up with the Basic Professional Development System [22:45] its a compiled basic, works really well [22:45] Dragos, yeah but there aren't any for M.S.P.E. from flying buffalo. Even though it was out and is still out, from 1983. Have w signed first printing. [22:45] Python and PHP are VERY similar. [22:46] very easy to write dos stuff [22:46] I don't code in anyh of that Joe [22:46] I use to write basic, and then moved to C [22:46] and then got some sence and got out [22:46] Himie we are just learning basic now. Especially since we found things to tear apsart and learn from that reflect our interests. Those type in things for car loans aren't really that interesting. [22:47] I am actually in Pensacola where my office is, but when I get back home this week I can send you a copy of that pds if you want [22:47] it really is good **** [22:49] it has native support for isam databases so you can do just about anthing for dos [22:49] I never got in to programming for windwos [22:49] I can write shell scrips and **** for freebsd [22:49] use to use some tcl for bots [22:49] but now I got programmers that make me look like a child, so I keep it to myself [22:50] Himie, that would be a pleasure. Ah I do have to ask if it works on the C=. not really up on a lot of this stuff. But what was that line of things that appeared on my screen from you. Firefox and Mozilla didn't recognise it as anything to open. [22:50] but I can hang with c64 programmers :) [22:50] I would like to learn machine language.. [22:50] Great, wait till I get to the part where I want aw moving sprite on the opening screen, music and a new font. [22:50] what do you mean? [22:50] I didn't give ou a link to anything [22:51] I was correctig a typo on like 1030 a ways back.. [22:51] Machine language isn't all that har its really really simple which makes programming for it difficult. :-) [22:51] as a kid I was more in to hacking than programming [22:51] bbl [22:51] * PhotoJim is now known as PJimAFK [22:51] I wrote my own war dialer though :) [22:51] m$ pds only works on an intel box, not commodore [22:52] its basically a compiled basic for dos [22:52] without line numbers [22:52] like quick basic, but very easy and most of the commands are the same [22:52] you name subroutines rather than use line numbers [22:52] ./timer111 1 30/msg lordronin 7 stats is what appeared on this side. [22:52] oh [22:52] you said remind you [22:53] without the . before the / that should have messaged you every 30 seconds if I got it right... [22:53] I was just screwing off [22:53] Ah all I have past the C= is a Linux system and an Amiga1200 [22:53] sorry for the confusion [22:53] Not prob, I'm the lamer here in this IRC thing and am learning slowly. [22:53] well, that makes it interesting... [22:54] * RobertB (~robertber@NewNet-944BD69D.nocal.dialup.o1.com) Quit (Client exited) [22:54] no worries, everyone had to start somewhere [22:54] ML isn't as hard as Ithought, or so I think at this moment. As I looked it over in the prg ref manual today. Looked a bit easier than I ever thought. [22:55] I tried as a kid bout couldn't get it [22:55] brb smoke time... [22:56] It's figuring out whay you want to do and how to do it with ML where it gets complex, it's like all peeking poking and sysing and you have to workout multiply and divide. [22:56] Well I am still a kid at 57 1/2. And they say old freaks can't learn. [22:56] * RobertB (~robertber@NewNet-944BD69D.nocal.dialup.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [22:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao RobertB RobertB [22:56] Yo go Lord!!! :) [22:56] nice, 34 here [22:56] I'm back. [22:56] ok, brb [22:56] 36 but holding at 18 here. :) [22:56] 42 [22:56] wb RobertB [22:57] Time to mutate the gamers, as they just arrived. See you next week and for ACUG members this monday. [22:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGoi1MSGu64 [22:57] * LordRonin (~lordronin@NewNet-33879EA0.dial1.seattle1.level3.net) Quit (Client exited) [22:57] Good luck LR [22:59] L8R folks... All this antique computer talk hurts my head *lol* =p [23:00] Bye, Rama. [23:00] * RamaOEM (~anon@BB2E090C.798B7716.6C75C244.IP) has left #c64friends [23:01] * Necro_CCS (moi_ici.la@NewNet-CA703D92.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [23:02] antique? [23:02] hey, what was the name of the network qlink originally connected to [23:03] udont mean the network used to connect to q-link? [23:03] lo - funny video, like the voice synthesiser imitation [23:03] tymenet,telenet etc?> [23:03] joe: yeah, its great [23:03] tymenet rings a bell [23:03] ;) [23:03] GTE Telenet? [23:03] i originally connected via tymenet [23:04] back inthe day :D [23:04] I thought there was one that started with an e [23:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU&mode=related&search= [23:04] thats how I did a lot of hacking as a kid mech [23:04] heres another [23:04] Himie: alternate q and all that :D [23:04] bbscallers? [23:04] both actually, They were packet networks, that also allowed for dropping out into a local trunk, if you had access. That's how I called many c64 bbs's back in the day. [23:04] istill have the q-link cert code hacker progs around somewhere [23:05] q-link came with my vicmodem and got me hooked on chat [23:05] so then we used the local tymenet port to x.25 to a dpac pad in canada, then pad out to qsd in france or lutzifer in germany [23:05] lutz was where LOD hung out... [23:05] yeah.. x.25 [23:06] datapac [23:06] thats it [23:06] damn, that was driving me nuts [23:06] i did a bit of phreaking before ess came [23:06] yea, I put up a board and had a bunch of intl callers and **** [23:06] didn't most of us at the time.... [23:06] with the max speed being 9600, but I think most nodes were 300-1200 [23:06] they taught me out to phreak [23:06] 0488s! [23:06] lotsa fun then [23:06] and the like... [23:06] hell yea it was [23:07] like the wild west [23:07] Good evening all! [23:07] yo [23:07] phone phreaks have more phun for phree.... [23:07] * Hellion_1 (~Hellion_1@NewNet-CE5D8AC1.unk.tds.net) Quit (Quit: ) [23:08] time for me to go too, nite all - nice chatting tonite. [23:09] ws nice meeting you Joe [23:09] I may be around more now tha I found this place [23:09] Bye, Larry. [23:09] not a bad place to visit on sat eves, sometimes really slo though [23:10] * JoeCommodore (~joec@NewNet-A8F08E23.goldrush.com) Quit (Connection reset by peer) [23:10] damn peer!!! [23:10] rbt, do you have a spare C64C pound sterling key? [23:10] a tan one [23:11] Uh, just the key... I don't think so. It's best to ask Ray Carlson, because he has parts. [23:11] Carlsen [23:11] I probably do, smj [23:11] the key cap. [23:11] you do alanr? [23:11] I have a wrecekd keyboard I can spare the key from [23:12] the stem is fine, the cap was just lost a long time ago in a move. [23:12] * CurtisAFK is now known as ocCurtisP [23:13] * ocCurtisP is now known as CurtisP [23:13] I just threw out an amiga 500 keyboard [23:13] cost me 7 bux for a replacement! [23:13] argh [23:14] alanr, would you accept a couple of bucks via paypal? [23:14] What was wrong with the A500? [23:14] I think 1 of the traces burned out... like the op, jkl, and nm, didn't work [23:15] right up the slant of the keys... like 3 keys wid [23:15] wide [23:15] Oh, I see. [23:15] so I just replaced the keyboard, good as new... [23:15] wow.. how did the traces burned out? [23:15] dunno,got it off ebay that way [23:15] lotsa 500's got coca-cola spilled in the kbds,and it eats the traces [23:15] seen a few in my time ;) [23:16] I never knew that. [23:16] also a real common problem on 500's was the kbd chip has bad soldering,it will act up [23:17] Hmmm. [23:18] I have one or two bad A500s in storage, but I never investigated what exactly was wrong with them. [23:18] they are so cheap,its hard to fix them instead of replacing them,but then again,they will become more scarce i guess [23:19] How many A500s were produced? [23:19] a ****load [23:19] But not as big as a load of C64s! ;-) [23:21] * MikeAZ1 (~chatzilla@NewNet-1D907063.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [23:21] didn't jack say gates asked for $3 per unit on basic? [23:21] but he settled on $25k upfront? [23:22] I forget, Steve. I'd have to review that per unit price, but I believe you are right on the upfront price. [23:24] BRB. Must get some roast chicken. [23:24] roast chickun [23:28] I'm back. [23:39] thanks alanr [23:41] np [23:43] Hey, Steve, at the Dec. 9 Jules Verne Film Festival, I saw the remastered, final director's cut of Blade Runner. [23:44] Ok gang, I'm off to bed. L8er gang. :) [23:44] Hey, Robert, is that any good? Heard about that [23:44] * fotograf (~fotograf@NewNet-20DDD8E.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: fotograf) [23:45] It was excellent. On the big screen, it didn't look like a 1982 film but a brand-new one. [23:45] Always loved that movie [23:46] The changes were so subtle that I had to have a friend explain them to me. [23:49] Were all of the fx redone? [23:49] very slowly i bert [23:50] Some were, but mostly they were cleaned up. [23:50] Like what was done with Star Wars, I guess? [23:50] * Dopple (~Dopple@NewNet-DC69D595.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [23:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Dopple [23:50] Howdy Dopple [23:50] hey alanr? [23:50] Hi Jay. [23:51] both of my emails to you were returned for some strange reason. [23:51] No, the FX were not reimagined. [23:51] yep ;-) but I just sent you the address. [23:51] The death scene with Joanna Cassidy was redone. [23:54] For those coming to the CCCC meeting tommorrow, I picked up a 128 donation today, and will bring it to Sunday's meeting [23:54] noone is coming i think [23:55] egg, can you get any hard drive for the commodore? [23:55] too much snow an ice [23:55] should only be another inch of snow for Cincy tommorrow before the meeting [23:55] For those coming to the FCUG meeting tomorrow, I'll show off the CHM poster that was given to all the attendees at the Jack Tramiel event. ;-) [23:55] so does anyone in CCCC have a truck that I can fill with C= stuff? [23:56] And the C64 signed by Jack. :-) [23:56] would a van work? [23:56] i do [23:56] i have an suv that fits a dman lot of commodore gear [23:56] if its big enough [23:57] The biggest I have is a Mercury Grand Marquis station wagon with 48 cubic feet of space. :-) [23:58] Any hard drive for the C=? Do you mean a mechanism, Himie? [23:58] no [23:58] he means a damn hard drive, complete and working [23:59] snog, anything good in the donation?? [23:59] Amiga or 8bit? [23:59] ya, there is some software worth noting in the donation... [23:59] I only went thru a couple boxes tho. didn't look at it all [00:00] 128, and 1571 in box [00:00] 80 column monitor, don't remember the brand off hand, but it isn't C= [00:01] Thompson maybe? [00:01] magnavox and thompson [00:01] well time for me to call it a nite [00:01] Left QRoom: Snogpitch [00:02] * Q-Link (~qlink@NewNet-F9F35691.ltshosting.net) has left #c64friends (Try QuantumLink RELOADED!) [00:02] I have a 1701 and 1902 that both need repaired [00:02] Catch yall next weekend [00:02] niters folks [00:02] * Disconnected