Log file opened at: Aug 18, 2007 8:57:50 PM 8:57:55 PM: *** Topic for #c64friends: We Adore Our C64 == and Q-Link!! 8:57:55 PM: *** Topic for #c64friends set by Snogpitch on July 29, 2007 6:58:33 PM 8:57:55 PM: #c64friends: Snogpitch @dragos Dragos-kubuntu Commodore +Antares51 IanC the-green-newt @_Six_ @Stephan Cubey @dracosilv yock +groepaz @Pelleas +Eddiie @Eddie +lo +Rohno +Talus 8:57:55 PM: *** End of /NAMES list. 8:57:55 PM: -*ChanServ (services@newnet.net)*- [#c64friends] Visit our webpage at: http://www.c64friends.com/ 8:57:55 PM: *** Channel Mode is +sntrc 8:57:55 PM: *** Channel created at May 6, 2007 5:35:35 PM 8:58:03 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy folks 8:59:13 PM: *** ShadowM (~shadow@NewNet-69524A37.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined channel #c64friends 8:59:18 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy ShadowM 8:59:25 PM: ShadowM: hiya 8:59:31 PM: *** Moloch (~moloch@arkanixlabs.com) has joined channel #c64friends 8:59:32 PM: *** Mode change "+o Moloch" on #c64friends by ChanServ 8:59:39 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Moloch 8:59:46 PM: ShadowM: Couldn't get Q to work tonight. 8:59:47 PM: Moloch: Evening Snogpitch 9:00:05 PM: Snogpitch: I haven't been on Q for a while myself 9:00:07 PM: *** bogax (vircuser@NewNet-F2C6ADA1.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:00:12 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy bogax 9:00:25 PM: ShadowM: So it's quality German-engineered SUSE for me tonight! 9:01:13 PM: Snogpitch: I tried putting SUSE on another laptop, wound up taking it back off 9:01:44 PM: bogax: hello 9:02:06 PM: Snogpitch: it seems the Control M didn't operate as a return key 9:03:13 PM: ShadowM: that was a show-stopper? 9:03:35 PM: *** Signoff: Stephan (Quit: ) 9:03:41 PM: Snogpitch: ya, the return key on the laptop didn't work, no way to log into the user acct 9:04:02 PM: ShadowM: oh, neither worked 9:04:31 PM: ShadowM: heh... problematic at best, I guess :) 9:05:14 PM: Snogpitch: Then I tried Fedora Core 4, same issue... 9:05:45 PM: ShadowM: That's damn peculiar! 9:06:18 PM: Snogpitch: Tried one other, forget what it's name was.... 9:06:46 PM: Snogpitch: It wasn't recognizing alot of the hardware of the laptop, it was too old of a release I guess 9:07:06 PM: Snogpitch: Core 2 Duo 9:08:03 PM: ShadowM: stick to C= 9:08:32 PM: Snogpitch: ya, wound up putting Media Center back on the laptop 9:09:44 PM: ShadowM: put JiffyDOS chips in the laptop, everything will be fine 9:11:18 PM: *** beeman (~Javauser@NewNet-5A69352D.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined channel #c64friends 9:11:25 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy beeman 9:11:36 PM: beeman: Hello All 9:12:01 PM: ShadowM: hi bee 9:14:03 PM: Snogpitch: I had fun checking out some steam powered farm macinery today :) 9:15:53 PM: *** Antares51 has left channel #c64friends 9:16:14 PM: *** Signoff: Dragos-kubuntu (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 9:17:10 PM: Snogpitch: I'm in wonderful Tuscarawas County of Ohio 9:19:16 PM: beeman: Did you ever drive a steam car and train 9:19:37 PM: Snogpitch: I've been a passenger on a steam train 9:20:11 PM: Snogpitch: I took a scenic tour in Maryland one fall. 9:20:34 PM: beeman: Steam car fun to drive 9:22:01 PM: *** Dragos-kubuntu (~Dragos@NewNet-89A4D3B6.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:22:42 PM: Snogpitch: My Dad and I were standing next to a tractor that was steam powered, just sitting there waiting for it's turn to the rodeo area...it was really quiet 9:24:21 PM: beeman: I have a N. J. steam license 9:24:45 PM: *** James_M (~james@NewNet-D2DC6E4.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:24:49 PM: Snogpitch: but don't you live in Florida? 9:24:53 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy James_M 9:24:53 PM: James_M: Hello 9:26:20 PM: beeman: Bron in N. J. till I was 54 9:26:53 PM: Snogpitch: what does it take to be licensed? 9:31:06 PM: beeman: go to school and a boilers and take a test for N. J. 9:32:03 PM: beeman: ran boilers 9:32:37 PM: Snogpitch: Does it need renewing? 9:33:24 PM: *** weirdwolf (destined@NewNet-8D73EF79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:33:35 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy weirdwolf 9:33:42 PM: beeman: one a year I stop after moving to Fl. 9:33:44 PM: weirdwolf: Good evening Snog 9:35:38 PM: weirdwolf: No qlink and friends tonight>? 9:36:02 PM: beeman: 20 years ago 9:36:02 PM: Snogpitch: Ya, ShadowM said he couldn't get on 9:36:17 PM: Snogpitch: I haven't tried myself 9:36:47 PM: Commodore: 19:56 < Q-Link> Entered QRoom: ShadowM 9:36:49 PM: Commodore: 19:58 < Q-Link> Left QRoom: ShadowM 9:37:05 PM: weirdwolf: hm 9:37:08 PM: Commodore: 19:58 -!- Q-Link [~qlink@NewNet-F9F35691.ltshosting.net] has left #c64friends [Try QuantumLink RELOADED!] 9:37:28 PM: weirdwolf: Some one doing an upgrade on the qlink server? or the connection down? 9:37:51 PM: ShadowM: I got into the room, but it immediately froze up 9:38:27 PM: ShadowM: Now I'm a refugee :( 9:39:31 PM: weirdwolf: Well your here with us in the irc part. 9:39:46 PM: Snogpitch: ya, I managed to log into Q just now... 9:39:49 PM: weirdwolf: There is a lot more comment here than in qlink I believe. 9:40:11 PM: *** Q-Link (~qlink@NewNet-F9F35691.ltshosting.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:40:11 PM: Q-Link: Entered QRoom: Snogpitch 9:40:26 PM: Snogpitch: I got in 9:40:41 PM: ShadowM: Snogpitch, are you there now? 9:40:53 PM: Q-Link: {Snogpitch} Ya, I'm here 9:41:15 PM: ShadowM: Hmmph! Then I'm goin' too. 9:41:18 PM: *** ShadowM has left channel #c64friends 9:41:19 PM: Snogpitch: lol 9:41:34 PM: Snogpitch: [`````````````````[ ] Q-Link Rulez ] [`````````````````[ 9:42:18 PM: *** madcrow (~madcrow_m@NewNet-486CCC89.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:42:24 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy madcrow 9:42:28 PM: Moloch: Hello Wee Lil Lad 9:42:45 PM: madcrow: wow 9:42:51 PM: Snogpitch: I have to admit, I'm not on my usual connection tonight 9:42:55 PM: madcrow: i'm officially impressed by Opera 9:43:07 PM: madcrow: it totally pwns firefox on my old p3 9:43:35 PM: Snogpitch: Opera lets you chat on irc? 9:43:50 PM: Q-Link: Entered QRoom: ShadowM 9:44:01 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy ShadowM 9:44:06 PM: madcrow: yup 9:44:19 PM: madcrow: web, main, nntp and irc 9:44:27 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} yay! Q! 9:44:42 PM: *** Stephan (Administra@NewNet-E669D442.rmo.bellsouth.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:44:42 PM: *** Mode change "+o Stephan" on #c64friends by ChanServ 9:44:42 PM: madcrow: how's qlink doing these days? 9:44:46 PM: Stephan: Hey 9:44:49 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Stephan 9:44:52 PM: Stephan: On a freak winbox for a bit 9:45:11 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} qlink rulez OK 9:45:20 PM: Dragos-kub: ok 9:45:20 PM: Stephan: Crap I ought too hook up my A500 to my PC and xfer some adfs.... 9:45:23 PM: weirdwolf: Yes, madcrow does email, nntp, irc and many other things. 9:45:36 PM: weirdwolf: :_) I meant Opera, not madcrow 9:46:07 PM: *** Mode change "+v IanC" on #c64friends by Stephan 9:46:16 PM: *** Mode change "+v bogax" on #c64friends by Stephan 9:46:41 PM: madcrow: i don't nntp 9:46:57 PM: madcrow: Google gorups is as close as I come to that :P 9:47:32 PM: Moloch: "A man named Jack Lewis is trying to start a campaign urging website owners to ban the Firefox browser. Why? Because some Firefox users utilize AdBlock Plus to avoid viewing advertisements, and Jack believes this is stealing." 9:47:37 PM: Moloch: What a clown 9:48:02 PM: *** LordRonin (~lordronin@NewNet-BC573B8B.dial1.seattle1.level3.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:48:02 PM: *** Mode change "+o LordRonin" on #c64friends by ChanServ 9:48:09 PM: Stephan: Yeah that guy slipped through the idiot line 9:48:10 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} sounds like Bill Gates 9:48:13 PM: Stephan: Hey LR 9:48:14 PM: madcrow: he's an idiot 9:48:22 PM: madcrow: but opera IS better 9:48:24 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Stephan 9:48:38 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy LordRonin 9:48:50 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Snogpitch 9:49:07 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} hi LR 9:49:08 PM: madcrow: konbanwa ronin-sama :P 9:49:09 PM: Snogpitch: who is Jack Lewis? 9:49:23 PM: LordRonin: Hoi ShadowM 9:49:51 PM: LordRonin: madcrow, you know I actually remember about 2/3 of that, HOI! 9:50:16 PM: madcrow: heh 9:50:44 PM: madcrow: it's literally just "Good evening Lord Ronin" but in Japanese... 9:50:55 PM: LordRonin: Well it has been a while since I actively taught Jiujitsu 9:51:38 PM: LordRonin: Caught all for certain save for the konbanwa. Couldn't remember whaic part of the day that represented. 9:52:21 PM: madcrow: heh 9:53:08 PM: LordRonin: And don't expect good typing, sober again tonight 9:53:26 PM: weirdwolf: :-) Is that not the best type LR? 9:54:18 PM: LordRonin: Not for me, I seem to type better with less reverse or missing letters, sloshed. 9:54:25 PM: madcrow: heh 9:54:39 PM: weirdwolf: Well I need you here with some verbal acuity. 9:55:28 PM: *** Zapman (Zapman@NewNet-D4403032.nas26.newark2.nj.us.da.qwest.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:55:37 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Zapman 9:55:47 PM: LordRonin: But me um jist da dum ork. No verbosity at all 9:55:51 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Zapman 9:55:53 PM: Zapman: Howdy Snog 9:56:04 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} did you see the guy offering to clean your SX-64 for you on eBay? 9:56:04 PM: Zapman: And everyone 9:56:08 PM: weirdwolf: Hey zapman 9:56:21 PM: madcrow: bah... i wish i had an sx-64 9:56:37 PM: Zapman: I have a question about the newsgroups? 9:56:46 PM: madcrow: i mean the screen wouldn't be any smaller than a VICE windows... 9:56:51 PM: Snogpitch: what does cleaning include? 9:57:26 PM: LordRonin: Got one coming in sometime from the UPCHUG group. Could part with that as it is my 3rd SX 9:57:35 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} "Are you sick and tired of you{sic} crusty old sx-64 computer... 9:57:52 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} ...Mail your sx-64 Computer to me and I will wash it for you..." 9:58:47 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} ...I will clean and detail it with windex window cleaner..." 9:58:58 PM: Snogpitch: Keyboard for the SX would make sense, but not the whole thing 9:59:07 PM: madcrow: wouldn't that be likely to cause damage? 10:00:01 PM: weirdwolf: Zapman: did you have a question about the newsgroups? 10:00:12 PM: Snogpitch: I just use a damp washcloth with a little bit of dish soap 10:00:16 PM: Zapman: Yes 10:00:44 PM: Zapman: I notice that lots of ISP are not going to have the newsgroups anymore. 10:00:54 PM: Zapman: So, does this mean that... 10:01:20 PM: weirdwolf: zapman; yes.. newsgroups are a thing of the past now 10:01:30 PM: weirdwolf: If you want newsgroup, you have to really look. 10:01:37 PM: weirdwolf: newsgroups I mean 10:01:38 PM: Zapman: ...newsgroups are going to disapear, or should I find an ISP that will have the newsgroups? 10:01:56 PM: madcrow: there's 3rd-party NNTP hosts 10:02:00 PM: weirdwolf: zapman: there are still free reead only nntp servers 10:02:09 PM: madcrow: and there's Google Groups 10:02:15 PM: LordRonin: Waht about going through vcs? 10:02:16 PM: weirdwolf: zapman: google groups correct 10:02:32 PM: weirdwolf: LR: vcs is third party 10:02:52 PM: weirdwolf: Zapman I believe is looking for a local ISP that offers it 10:02:53 PM: LordRonin: That is where I used to do the c.s.c, along with a few others and the fido ones. 10:03:13 PM: madcrow: GG doesn't carry alt.binaries.*, but there;s better ways to get pr0n 10:03:20 PM: LordRonin: Hmm got me on that part. Not up on how that works. 10:03:28 PM: Zapman: Yes, because ISP are not interested in them 10:03:53 PM: madcrow: and for Fido-groups any properly configured and "tied in" Synchronet board should be serving those up 10:04:03 PM: weirdwolf: madcrow: at several terabytes per day, most ISP's don't want that level of traffic for the bin groups. 10:04:31 PM: weirdwolf: madcros: vcs has fidonet access still I think 10:04:37 PM: madcrow: plus NNTP-binaries are fundamentaly broked 10:04:47 PM: weirdwolf: But I suspect that fidonet is broken. 10:05:12 PM: weirdwolf: madcrow: not many groups are decent any more in the bin cat. though I do have my favorites. 10:05:15 PM: LordRonin: Only a few for the c= at th is moment at vcs in fido. Rod told me if there is a rewquest they can add others. 10:05:18 PM: weirdwolf: and no they are not pr0n 10:05:25 PM: Zapman: Just like a lot of majordomo and listproc disapeared 10:05:46 PM: weirdwolf: zapman: majordomo and listproc are a thing of the past also 10:06:08 PM: weirdwolf: We now have blogs and php./ 10:06:12 PM: Zapman: They were fun 10:06:20 PM: madcrow: like i said: if fidonet is what you want, lots of synchronet boards offer NNTP feeds with fido support 10:06:50 PM: Zapman: I do not know much about fidonet 10:06:57 PM: LordRonin: Rod told me that with a bit of work. FIDO could be put also on Centipede BBS. 10:07:44 PM: madcrow: wouldn't be able to go out over NNTP though 10:07:52 PM: weirdwolf: Zapman: fido like nntp has gone the way of the commodore.. Very few people still use it. 10:08:13 PM: Zapman: I am look up fidonet 10:08:34 PM: LordRonin: madcrow, while I don't what nntp is, it would go out over the phoneline in a zipped package. 10:08:44 PM: madcrow: i know 10:09:28 PM: weirdwolf: zapman: boy fidonet does bring back memories. More for me than qlink 10:09:30 PM: Zapman: It is sad to see how the Internet is changing. 10:09:39 PM: weirdwolf: Read a lot of traffic from Fidonet 10:10:10 PM: weirdwolf: zapman: well it'sgoing the way that people want.. Lot of useless video/audio and blathering commericials. 10:10:22 PM: LordRonin: Yeah I was on the C= ones, the AD&D, D&D, Gamma World one and acouple on firearms. 10:10:23 PM: Zapman: well I am reading in -> http://www.fidonet.org/ 10:10:26 PM: madcrow: but Syncronet (a win32 neo-bbs package) has the ability to serve it's message bases as netnews/Usenet (NNTP). 10:10:36 PM: LordRonin: That is where IIRC I met WierWolf and others. 10:11:24 PM: weirdwolf: madcrow: there are several clients still available for many platforms that do that. 10:11:36 PM: weirdwolf: madcrow: we'll see what zapman wants to do. 10:11:48 PM: weirdwolf: zapman: did you look for a fidonet node? 10:12:15 PM: Zapman: I am still reading through fidonet 10:12:57 PM: madcrow: Google Groups + any randome "well-stocked" Synchronet board (or other net-aware fido node) would be the cheapest way to keep up his access level 10:13:09 PM: Zapman: Ok I found something about node 10:13:10 PM: *** Bryan (~chatzilla@NewNet-32ECD8AF.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:13:28 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Bryan 10:13:32 PM: weirdwolf: zapman: See if you can google and find a bbs you can download from for free 10:13:45 PM: Bryan: Hello there Snogpitch! 10:13:51 PM: weirdwolf: Highly doubt there is any still available forfree 10:13:52 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Bryan 10:13:53 PM: Bryan: Cheers everyone! 10:13:54 PM: weirdwolf: Hey bryan 10:14:23 PM: Bryan: LordRonin! Good to see you here... 10:14:43 PM: LordRonin: Her for a bit before the game. So did the Village Green make it to you ? 10:14:54 PM: Bryan: hello weirdwolf! 10:14:58 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:15:08 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy KilrPilr 10:15:10 PM: KilrPilr: hello peeps 10:15:11 PM: LordRonin: Hoi KilrPilr 10:15:27 PM: madcrow: weirdwolf: ALL BBSes that are left are free theese days 10:16:17 PM: weirdwolf: madcrow: ahh.. I looked about a couple years back for fidonet service and most of them were pay and running off cable/dsl 10:16:31 PM: weirdwolf: Kinf of like a C= BBS 10:16:58 PM: Bryan: LordRonin> Yes! :) and it looks like I will have to send my dues for the next year! 10:17:07 PM: madcrow: http://vert.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=FidoNet 10:17:27 PM: Bryan: Put your helmets one.. We will be reaching speeds of *three*.. ;) 10:18:05 PM: Bryan: one=on! :( 10:18:11 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 10:18:35 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:18:45 PM: Bryan: Everybody having fun tonight? 10:18:46 PM: madcrow: see: a free fido node 10:19:02 PM: LordRonin: Bryan well I won't swear to anything. But before you send in dues again. I should tell you that Ron Bain sent the Lexmark Optra 40. Arrived today. If it works, well then there are those 20 page newsletters again. 10:19:24 PM: Bryan: YAY! :D 10:19:57 PM: LordRonin: Remember it has to be tested. Then I can drive all bonkers with those things on C= and RPGs {SEG} 10:21:03 PM: Bryan: Does the Optra 40 do postscript? 10:21:08 PM: LordRonin: Assuming it works, and my disks haven't corrupted. 10:21:10 PM: Zapman: night all 10:21:14 PM: *** Signoff: Zapman (Quit: This is the digital revolution! If I must be marked with the ' Mark of the Beast', then let it be C64.) 10:21:17 PM: Bryan: cya Zapman 10:21:21 PM: Bryan: too lat.. 10:21:22 PM: Bryan: e 10:21:29 PM: LordRonin: Bryan oh yeah that is what I was using before. In fact I have three dead ones under the desk right now. 10:21:45 PM: madcrow: it's an inkjet, though... 10:21:51 PM: Snogpitch: 3 dead one? all the same problems? 10:22:00 PM: Bryan: then I do look forward to the postscript goodness.. 10:22:00 PM: LordRonin: ven if it doesn't have the 16MB RAM board in it. I have two to use. 10:22:09 PM: madcrow: how will you dash out multiple 30 page newletters on an inkjet? 10:22:24 PM: Bryan: photocopies? 10:22:39 PM: Bryan: I believe the Lexmark makes the master.. 10:22:49 PM: LordRonin: madcrow yeah an inkjet. IF I can get the parts for the SC1275 I can have a laser working. Same type that Dale used for his C= post print work. 10:23:36 PM: LordRonin: madcrow yeah still have to photocopy the issues. Post Print people in the MTTM group for the Commodore MaiLink use the same model of optra 40. 10:23:44 PM: Bryan: with the Lexmark the newsletters will be of a much higher quality printing.. 10:23:48 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 10:23:52 PM: *** iViper (peter_gree@NewNet-3F885695.dsl.bell.ca) has joined channel #c64friends 10:23:59 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy iViper 10:24:13 PM: madcrow: true: that lexmark looks like a fairly high end beast 10:24:15 PM: iViper: Hi ya Snog, gang 10:24:24 PM: LordRonin: Bryan if you are lucky it won't work, like the last one I got. You will be safe from the long AD&D creations parts in Geos, as written in the Village. 10:24:30 PM: LordRonin: Hoi iViper 10:24:46 PM: iViper: back at cha LR 10:24:47 PM: madcrow: the brains of a laser printer grafted onto the body of an inkjet 10:24:48 PM: Bryan: I don't want to be lucky then.. ;) 10:25:08 PM: LordRonin: weirdwolf has another printer on its way to me for testing as well. If it doesn't work with the C=, it should work with this linux system. 10:25:13 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:25:14 PM: Bryan: I do have a t-shirt that says "Pain is Good".. 10:25:24 PM: madcrow: speaking of GEOS output, i just had an idea: 10:25:33 PM: Bryan: it is referring to *extremely* hot sauce.. 10:25:42 PM: LordRonin: Ah Bryan you can't mean that you enjoy the drivel of the newsletter? Why that would mean I should look for paying writing gigs {LOL} 10:25:52 PM: iViper: hi KilrPilr 10:26:03 PM: madcrow: Postscript driver + vice + ghostscrip == PDF production 10:26:04 PM: LordRonin: wb kp 10:26:32 PM: Q-Link: Left QRoom: ShadowM 10:26:35 PM: LordRonin: Hmm that is one for the cops@videocam.net.au list 10:26:38 PM: *** James_M has left channel #c64friends 10:26:50 PM: madcrow: what? 10:27:31 PM: LordRonin: madcrow you thought on the pdf production. That is the COPS list where such things are discussed by Geos postprint users. 10:28:12 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 10:28:20 PM: Snogpitch: I haven't seen much discussion on the COPS list in a long while 10:28:27 PM: madcrow: i guess if you ran GS on amiga, it COULD be commodore only 10:28:33 PM: *** Signoff: beeman (Quit: Leaving) 10:29:02 PM: Bryan: There should be more cross-pollination between the C= newsletters (Village Green, MaiLink, CommodoreFree, etc..) 10:29:08 PM: madcrow: you could pipe the PS data out over the seria line, then do a raw capture of that data which could then be piped into to ps2pdf 10:29:53 PM: LordRonin: Bryan well nigel wants me to send articles. I am the managing editor of the MaiLink, just not able to send anything at this time. 10:30:16 PM: Bryan: LordRonin> why not? 10:30:41 PM: madcrow: personally, i'm looking at amiga-native DTP packages... 10:31:06 PM: Bryan: mmmm PageStream.. 10:31:18 PM: madcrow: yeah... that's the big one 10:31:21 PM: Stephan: Scribus for Linux is great! 10:31:36 PM: LordRonin: Lack of a working printer Lack of the HD makes the upgrades to the Wheels and Wave fairly impossible. Making the next part seem even weirdr. Can't UL to vcsweb from the 128Dcr, evern since the HD went out and they moved it to FLA. Can DL but not UL 10:32:12 PM: Bryan: I used to use that on my A500 back in the day.. even went to a print house to get negatives once for a project I was working on.. 10:32:20 PM: LordRonin: OK Bryan, I'll have to list in The Village some of the Amiga prgs that we have for sale. Proceeds go to the Lord Ronin Beer and tobacco fund. {EG} 10:32:33 PM: Bryan: LOL! :) 10:32:35 PM: madcrow: lol 10:33:05 PM: madcrow: I'm actually pulling a whole 1.2 gig torrent just to get a copy of PageStream 10:33:16 PM: Stephan: Which version? 10:33:56 PM: Snogpitch: I remember seeing PageStream for download not long ago 10:34:03 PM: madcrow: it has 1 through 3 10:34:05 PM: LordRonin: Think that I sold the copy of that one a year abo to a member. Just have some Final* and a couple of others I can't remember. Have to go look. 10:34:07 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:34:18 PM: LordRonin: wb 84 KP 10:34:36 PM: LordRonin: err bad fingers that should read wb*4 KP 10:34:48 PM: weirdwolf: back 10:35:01 PM: madcrow: still, a 16/32-bit package isn't as cool as doing a publication in GEOS 10:36:00 PM: LordRonin: madcrow Would you believe that with Wheels and PP3.8 I do everything for the users group, the shop and my game group? In fact I don't know yet how to operate the open office here in this linux system. 10:36:13 PM: madcrow: and i'd actually need to learn to write better before i put out any kind of a 'zine anyway... 10:37:07 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 10:37:19 PM: Bryan: I have all the PageStream versions here.. (2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 3.0h) and a bunch of other disks.. 10:37:27 PM: Moloch plays pinball with KilrPilr 10:37:29 PM: Moloch: ping ping! 10:38:15 PM: Moloch: My A2000 still has v3.3 of PageStream installed ... found the box and media the other day during a search for things to auction 10:38:22 PM: LordRonin: Bryan that ACUG needs AMiga disks. Since ours where stolen. We are willing to take copies of course {SEG} 10:38:44 PM: madcrow: heh 10:38:56 PM: Bryan: These disks are all virtual.... 10:39:21 PM: madcrow: lol 10:39:40 PM: madcrow: can you blast 'em to disks? 10:39:48 PM: madcrow: or do you lack the equipment 10:39:49 PM: Bryan: a la TOSEC.. 10:39:53 PM: LordRonin: Better than Vapour, 10:40:01 PM: LordRonin: Gotta split now for the game 10:40:08 PM: Bryan: I am sure I could.. 10:40:08 PM: *** Signoff: LordRonin (Connection reset by peer) 10:40:08 PM: _Six_: NOBODY EXPECTS THE SIXISH INQUISITION!!! 10:40:12 PM: Moloch: Katie Holmes as Wonder Woman and Rose McGowen as Barbarella 10:40:12 PM: Bryan: c ya LordRonin.. 10:40:44 PM: weirdwolf: hehe he six 10:40:50 PM: Bryan: i would just need to make the right cable to connect my PC to an Amiga... 10:40:51 PM: weirdwolf: *hey 10:40:54 PM: Stephan: Hey Six. 10:41:16 PM: Stephan: Well....Time for me to boot back in to Linux and get some Beer :) 10:41:16 PM: madcrow: meh. i should be going too... it's 10:30 and I'm tired and inarticualte ;) 10:41:20 PM: Stephan: Anyone want one? 10:41:28 PM: Moloch: With Amiga Explorer I just hook my Amiga and PC through serial ... 10:41:30 PM: madcrow: fed ex me one :P 10:41:38 PM: *** Signoff: Stephan (Connection reset by peer) 10:41:46 PM: madcrow: cyall 10:41:50 PM: *** madcrow has left channel #c64friends 10:42:11 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:42:26 PM: Bryan: KilrPilr.. hello! 10:42:56 PM: weirdwolf: bryan: kilrs suffe from dialup shock 10:42:57 PM: weirdwolf: hehe 10:43:07 PM: Bryan: ahh 10:43:18 PM: *** JoeCommodore (~joec@NewNet-A8F08E23.goldrush.com) has joined channel #c64friends 10:43:38 PM: Snogpitch: dialup shock? looks like he's on shawcable from what I can see 10:43:42 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy JoeCommodore 10:43:50 PM: _Six_: kcolc'o reeb s'ti 10:44:06 PM: JoeCommodo: Evening everybody! Sitting here listing to an 8-bit weapon CD 10:44:20 PM: weirdwolf: Snog: he get the come and going when he starts downloading C= DVD's off p2p 10:44:26 PM: weirdwolf: *gets 10:44:45 PM: *** Stephan (~digit@NewNet-E669D442.rmo.bellsouth.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:44:45 PM: *** Mode change "+o Stephan" on #c64friends by ChanServ 10:44:54 PM: Bryan is listening to old SlayRadio.. BBB :) 10:45:11 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 10:45:19 PM: Snogpitch: I'm on the hotel wireless tonight 10:45:22 PM: Moloch plays pinball with KilrPilr 10:45:24 PM: Moloch: ping ping! 10:45:35 PM: weirdwolf: Snog: traveling? 10:45:40 PM: Stephan: Ahhh back 10:45:46 PM: Stephan: feels better too 10:45:50 PM: Snogpitch: ya, I'm in New Philadelphia Ohio 10:46:24 PM: Moloch: "Every single X-FILES show and the movie, X-FILES: FIGHT THE FUTURE, all in one box set? It's happening according to Fox Home Video. The DVD box set will be called X-FILES: THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION. The SRP is going to be $329.98" 10:46:28 PM: Moloch: um, yeah, haha 10:46:48 PM: weirdwolf: M: p2p any one? 10:47:48 PM: Moloch: TRANSFORMERS will be hitting the Imax theaters around the globe on September 21, 2007 - nifty 10:48:00 PM: Bryan: but will it be in 3D? 10:48:46 PM: Moloch: Don't need 3D with Imax ... ;) 10:49:11 PM: JoeCommodo: I just read the Dec release of the Blade Runner set WILL have the theactrical version(finally!) 10:49:32 PM: Moloch: yeah, I believe it will have four versions? 10:49:45 PM: Stephan: Great! Considering I never had the chance to watch it yet 10:50:03 PM: Stephan: xfomers that is 10:50:21 PM: Moloch: yeah, haven't seen it myself 10:50:32 PM: Stephan: I refuse to watch a TS of it 10:51:10 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:51:27 PM: JoeCommodo: Hi kilr 10:52:15 PM: Stephan: WB KP 10:52:18 PM: Bryan: mmm Rob Hubbard.... 10:52:25 PM: Moloch: Blade Runner (Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition) (2007) includes five versions of the movie ... nifty 10:53:19 PM: *** Signoff: weirdwolf (Quit: Leaving) 10:53:45 PM: Snogpitch: 5 versions?? 10:53:50 PM: Moloch: yes 10:54:36 PM: Moloch: 1982 US, 1982 international, 1992 directors cut, 2007 "final cut", and the "workprint" version 10:54:53 PM: Q-Link: Left QRoom: Snogpitch 10:54:53 PM: *** Q-Link has left channel #c64friends (Try QuantumLink RELOADED!) 10:55:36 PM: Moloch: "WORKPRINT VERSION - This rare version of the film is considered by some to be the most radically different of all the Blade Runner cuts. It includes an altered opening scene, no Deckard narration until the final scenes, no "unicorn" sequence, no Deckard/Rachel "happy ending," altered lines between Batty (Rutger Hauer) and his creator Tyrell (Joe Turkell), alternate music and much more." 10:56:26 PM: Snogpitch: I guess the diehard Harrison Ford fans will love it 10:56:49 PM: Stephan: I think Blade Runner is just a damn good movie 10:57:17 PM: Moloch: one of my faves ... 10:57:23 PM: Moloch: need to get Videodrome on DVD also 10:58:28 PM: JoeCommodo: Now that is a wierd movie 10:58:32 PM: Snogpitch: I've got Videodrome on VHS, director's cut 10:58:53 PM: Stephan: I just got excalibur on divx 10:59:05 PM: *** weirdwolf (destined@NewNet-8D73EF79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:59:17 PM: Stephan: Hey ww 10:59:21 PM: JoeCommodo: Hi WW 10:59:33 PM: Moloch: Brazil, Barton Fink, eXistenZ, Naked Lunch 10:59:36 PM: Moloch: more 11:00:02 PM: _Six_: Good collection. 11:00:02 PM: Snogpitch: ya, got Naked Lunch a couple month's ago 11:00:24 PM: *** iViper has left channel #c64friends 11:01:09 PM: JoeCommodo: Dr. Caligari, Forbidden Zone... 11:01:36 PM: *** iViper (ircOpera92@NewNet-3F885695.dsl.bell.ca) has joined channel #c64friends 11:01:40 PM: Snogpitch: I've got a coworker that out of the blue yells out Benway! 11:02:03 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 11:02:53 PM: _Six_: Ben wah? 11:03:11 PM: Snogpitch: no... 11:03:20 PM: Snogpitch: Benway! 11:03:57 PM: Snogpitch: Have you seen Naked Lunch, _Six_? 11:04:28 PM: dragos: haha 11:04:39 PM: Stephan: Never seen that, who directed it 11:04:49 PM: dragos: superbad is possibly the funniest movie I have ever seen 11:04:56 PM: Snogpitch: Cronenberg 11:05:22 PM: Snogpitch: ...I think? 11:07:36 PM: Snogpitch: Same guy that directed The Fly 11:07:51 PM: Stephan: Ahhh 11:08:06 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:08:15 PM: Stephan: Kp everyone, a round of hands 11:09:25 PM: weirdwolf readies the KP bot. 11:09:31 PM: Bryan: Give him a shot of Crown Royal! :) 11:09:48 PM: Stephan: I don't need it 11:09:58 PM: Snogpitch: Intravenious? 11:10:12 PM: weirdwolf: hehe 11:10:14 PM: Stephan: Si 11:10:24 PM: weirdwolf: :-) He needs a round of shrimp. 11:10:52 PM: Stephan: Nah 11:11:06 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 11:11:13 PM: Stephan: I do need some new music though. All the stuff coming out these days is about garbage 11:11:38 PM: Bryan: Slayradio! :) 11:11:43 PM: Stephan: lol 11:11:57 PM: Bryan: or kohina! :) 11:11:58 PM: Stephan: Maybe later...right now I'm listening to garbage 11:12:14 PM: Bryan: I like Garbage too.. ;) 11:12:30 PM: Bryan: depressing in a good way.. 11:13:18 PM: Stephan: Not so much I think' 11:14:14 PM: Bryan: why not? 11:14:48 PM: *** LordNLptp (~jonathan@NewNet-CA102AEE.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:14:56 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy LordNLptp 11:15:11 PM: dragos: get some avenged sevenfold 11:16:10 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:16:20 PM: Snogpitch: I guess I'm old school liking Joan Jett and the Blackhearts 11:16:48 PM: dragos: shes ok 11:17:05 PM: dragos: but how do you decide the date past which you wont accept any new music? 11:17:11 PM: Snogpitch: Her latest video features Carmen Electra 11:17:43 PM: Stephan: Well I'll listen to new music-but I haven't heard anything I like 11:19:10 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 11:19:48 PM: Snogpitch: It has been a while since I've bought a single from the "Hot 100" 11:19:49 PM: *** RobertB (~IceChat7@NewNet-C9CB0942.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) has joined channel #c64friends 11:19:50 PM: *** Mode change "+ao RobertB RobertB" on #c64friends by ChanServ 11:19:57 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy RobertB 11:20:02 PM: RobertB: Hi, Snog. 11:20:09 PM: Bryan: Chromeo had a good song.. 11:20:17 PM: Bryan: RobertB ! Cheers! 11:20:24 PM: Stephan: Hey RobertB 11:20:31 PM: RobertB: Hi, Bryan and Stephan. 11:20:51 PM: Bryan: there was also the band IIRC VHS or Beta... 11:21:23 PM: iViper: (co) slurp 11:21:55 PM: JoeCommodo: Hi Robert! 11:22:02 PM: Bryan: how is life Robert? 11:22:05 PM: *** Pell-Work (~WiFiPell@NewNet-8CE55786.sip.pns.bellsouth.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:22:16 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Pell-Work 11:22:16 PM: *** Signoff: iViper (Client exited) 11:22:16 PM: *** Signoff: LordNLptp (Ping timeout) 11:22:16 PM: JoeCommodo: He was partying like a madman today 11:22:19 PM: Pell-Work: Yoyo 11:22:24 PM: Pell-Work: Hey Snog how you doing? 11:22:38 PM: RobertB: Hi, Pell. 11:22:57 PM: Pell-Work: Hey Robert, how are you? 11:23:00 PM: Stephan: Hey Pell 11:23:02 PM: *** iViper (~ircOpera9@NewNet-3F885695.dsl.bell.ca) has joined channel #c64friends 11:23:05 PM: RobertB: Oh, just until Tuesday when the students come in. 11:23:15 PM: Pell-Work: Greetings from Pensecola Fl :/ 11:23:25 PM: weirdwolf: Hey Robert. 11:23:45 PM: weirdwolf: Just got off the phone with Balabazaar.. He picked up some stuff you sugggested to him. 11:23:47 PM: RobertB: Hi, Jeremy. 11:24:00 PM: Snogpitch: I'm in New Philadelphia Ohio 11:24:13 PM: Pell-Work: Tomorrow I will be in Tampa 11:24:20 PM: Pell-Work: then Miami on Monday 11:24:22 PM: Pell-Work: :( 11:24:26 PM: weirdwolf: Pell: hopeyou have a safe trip. 11:24:44 PM: Pell-Work: ww, thanks... started out rough. It rained all the way from Houston to Mobile 11:24:54 PM: RobertB: Why are you moving around, Pell? 11:25:08 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:25:10 PM: Pell-Work: Work trip 11:25:29 PM: RobertB: Hi, Leo. 11:25:48 PM: weirdwolf: Robert; leo has been coming and going from the channel.. Not sure why.. 11:26:20 PM: Snogpitch: And he hasn't said much either 11:26:29 PM: RobertB: Hmm. 11:27:34 PM: iViper: he was doing that earlier this evening too on cbm8 11:27:40 PM: weirdwolf: Robert: LR will have printer #2 tommorrow.. So we should finally get him a working printer for him to print off of.. Ron's printer came in this morning 11:27:57 PM: RobertB: We shall see. :-) 11:28:08 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 11:28:19 PM: weirdwolf: Trek: ahh.. Seem leo needs a phone call to tell him to fix his computer connection 11:28:19 PM: Snogpitch: lol 11:28:37 PM: iViper: oops... there he goes again! :-S 11:28:50 PM: weirdwolf: hehe he'll be back soon enough 11:29:06 PM: iViper: he thinks it's a router thing 11:29:29 PM: iViper: I suggested he check for some kind of keep alive feature 11:29:51 PM: Snogpitch: ya, an instant msg program can do that 11:30:27 PM: weirdwolf: My thinking is your correct peter. But he's probably running off some wiif router or bandwith hogging connection 11:30:33 PM: iViper: I'm using IceChat right now, and it drops mainly cause it eats memory with all the logging features 11:30:35 PM: weirdwolf: hoogping app 11:30:40 PM: weirdwolf: wifi is what my thinking is. 11:30:57 PM: iViper: Opera chat is stable for me when I used it, as it doesn't log much 11:31:07 PM: iViper: and it never drops 11:31:18 PM: weirdwolf: iviper: try xchat 11:31:32 PM: iViper: I also suggested it could be his client 11:31:38 PM: Bryan: Chatzilla here! :) 11:31:44 PM: weirdwolf: Does a lot of that, plus doesn't hog memory and available for many Os's 11:32:27 PM: iViper: I'm use a bare bones system for internet, cause I don't want to bloat this machine with junk 11:32:43 PM: iViper: that way it is almost always stable 11:33:07 PM: weirdwolf: Bryan: I like your idea.. Though Chatzilla doesn't fit my needs. 11:33:51 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:33:55 PM: Bryan: I used to use mirc, but this seems much better.. 11:34:05 PM: iViper: plus with Opera, it has all the inet features one needs in one package, so no need to have seperate proggies for everything I want to do. 11:34:33 PM: iViper: wb again KilrPilr 11:34:41 PM: RobertB: BRB. 11:36:51 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 11:37:10 PM: Snogpitch: tsk tsk 11:39:02 PM: RobertB: I'm back. 11:39:07 PM: *** iViper has left channel #c64friends 11:39:14 PM: Bryan: hey RobertB! 11:40:19 PM: *** iViper (~ircOpera9@NewNet-3F885695.dsl.bell.ca) has joined channel #c64friends 11:40:55 PM: RobertB: Just put my CommVEx tapes in order but haven't burned them to DVD yet. 11:41:36 PM: JoeCommodo: How did they turn out? 11:42:11 PM: Snogpitch: Was the official count 27 folks? 11:42:22 PM: RobertB: Oh, you know, Larry... my presentation got cut off when the camera ran out of tape. :-) 11:42:25 PM: RobertB: 35. 11:43:55 PM: Snogpitch: darn tape.... 11:44:12 PM: Bryan: Speaking of DVD... VCF East 4.0? 11:44:25 PM: JoeCommodo: Not bad, some of those were drop-ins from CGE, nice to see them stopping by. 11:44:52 PM: RobertB: Yes, Bryan, it's on DVD (but in 3 parts!). I'll have to reduce it to 2 DVDs. 11:45:30 PM: Bryan: reduce? But I want everything! 11:45:40 PM: RobertB: Yeah, the CGEer's who came were a benefit. 11:46:23 PM: RobertB: No, you misunderstand, Bryan. 55 minutes is on one DVD, 45 on another, and the remainder on another. 11:46:52 PM: Bryan: well, as long as nothing is cut.. 11:46:55 PM: RobertB: So I have to join all 3 parts onto one DVD. 11:47:00 PM: Bryan: or the quality reduced.. 11:47:41 PM: RobertB: Uh, can't improve the quality on the Chuck Peddle on-line video. :-) 11:48:11 PM: weirdwolf: Robert: Do we have permission to post said video on Youtube? 11:48:15 PM: RobertB: Bryan knows what I mean by that. :-) 11:48:19 PM: Snogpitch: Is the Chuck Peddle video been posted online ?? 11:48:46 PM: Bryan: I understand that.. I wish I had been able to archive the video as it was being done.. :( 11:49:01 PM: RobertB: No, when Chuck Peddle video-conferenced in, the image on the screen was fuzzy. 11:49:38 PM: Snogpitch: you would have thought the organizers would have dumped the stream to video somewhere.... 11:49:40 PM: weirdwolf: Was there any other video cameras? 11:49:45 PM: Bryan: That was as good as it was going to get... ie his webcam and Skype.. 11:49:55 PM: RobertB: Jeremy, I don't see why not. It's over 2 hours worth, and I can't do it. 11:50:04 PM: Bryan: he videoconferenced in from Sri Lanka 11:50:16 PM: RobertB: Just Dave Haynie's one other videocamera. 11:50:16 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:50:18 PM: *** rrCurtisP (~Curtis@NewNet-6B5C7A7A.neo.res.rr.com) has joined channel #c64friends 11:50:27 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy rrCurtisP 11:50:52 PM: RobertB: The organizer? Well, only Dave and myself were continually video-recording. 11:51:23 PM: *** Signoff: iViper (Broken pipe) 11:51:36 PM: Bryan: Snogpitch> I wanted to dump the video stream as it was happening.. 11:51:44 PM: rrCurtisP: heya snog 11:51:56 PM: RobertB: You wanted, but what happened? 11:51:58 PM: *** iViper (~peter_gre@NewNet-3F885695.dsl.bell.ca) has joined channel #c64friends 11:52:03 PM: Snogpitch: I wonder if Chuck Peddle will make himself available to other shows in the future? 11:52:28 PM: RobertB: You'd have to ask. 11:52:45 PM: RobertB: I will ask for next year's CommVEx. 11:52:47 PM: Snogpitch: Heck, I'd be happy with a transcript of the conference, since I didn't see it at all 11:53:17 PM: *** Signoff: KilrPilr (Ping timeout) 11:53:39 PM: RobertB: Ooo, writing out a transcript would be long and tedious. 11:53:47 PM: Bryan: I just didn't have time to get that part working.. I had tried, but was unable to at the time... my main focus was to have the internet and videoconference working... and I didn't have a lot of time when we found out Chuck was not going to be at the show.. 11:54:10 PM: RobertB: Yeah, Bryan... I saw how hard you were working. 11:54:25 PM: *** Signoff: iViper (Quit: iViper) 11:54:58 PM: Bryan: I had also gone multiple times before then back and forth (hour drive each way) to get everything setup... ! 11:55:44 PM: RobertB: Ick! Too much work. 11:56:12 PM: Snogpitch: How many minutes of transcript are we talking about? 11:56:37 PM: RobertB: Over 2 hours. 11:56:37 PM: Bryan: I think it was about two or three hours.. 11:57:02 PM: Snogpitch: piece of cake for a court room transcript writer :) 11:57:24 PM: weirdwolf: Snog: how much would that cost? 11:57:34 PM: weirdwolf: For someone to convert it? 11:57:38 PM: Snogpitch: no idea... 11:57:47 PM: RobertB: O.K., who's going to pay for one? :-) 11:58:13 PM: Snogpitch: gotta find one that is a C= geek 11:58:28 PM: Bryan: hmm.. maybe dragon naturally speaking could transcript it? 11:58:38 PM: weirdwolf: For the chuck peddle thing? How much is the question with such relative thoughts. 11:58:44 PM: Bryan: (or the newest iteration) 11:58:56 PM: *** KilrPilr (~commodore@NewNet-DFCE5C74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 11:59:04 PM: weirdwolf: Bryan: its possible.. But I'd never trust those speak to text things./ 11:59:14 PM: Snogpitch: Dragon needs training to do recognition.... 11:59:40 PM: Snogpitch: without training, it would need proofreading for accuracy 11:59:46 PM: Bryan: but maybe it could the basic stuff and a person would fix the transcirpt 11:59:50 PM: RobertB: And Chuck Peddle does not have a clearly-enunciated voice. 12:00:05 AM: JoeCommodo: Well i work tomorrow so will try to catch you all next sat. Nite all! 12:00:17 AM: Bryan: cya JoeCommodore! 12:00:23 AM: Snogpitch: Ya, same here, I gotta call it a nite 12:00:31 AM: Snogpitch: Catch y'all next weekend 12:00:35 AM: Snogpitch: niters 12:00:37 AM: Bryan: (sucks to work on a Sunday!) :( 12:00:41 AM: RobertB: Bye Larry and Snog. 12:00:47 AM: Bryan: c ya Snog! Log file closed at: Aug 19, 2007 12:00:52 AM