9:00:40 PM: Antares51: I want to change out this unit's SECC Slot I 400 MHz for a PIII-800. 9:00:48 PM: madcrow: bah. iphone is vendor lockin at it's worst 9:00:56 PM: madcrow: doesn't even have Java... 9:00:57 PM: _Fungus_: that thing rules 9:01:07 PM: _Fungus_: java is windows bloatware 9:01:07 PM: _Fungus_: hehe 9:01:28 PM: Antares51: Java isn't windoze. 9:01:49 PM: madcrow: Java is GPLed free softwate that pwns .NET (which IS m$ bloat) 9:02:20 PM: Antares51: .NET is crippleware. 9:02:57 PM: Antares51: Bloated crippleware. 9:03:07 PM: madcrow: how? it's crap, but how is it cri[ppleware? 9:03:09 PM: *** IanC (~ian@spoof-DF99601B.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined channel #c64friends 9:03:13 PM: golan: Ian! 9:03:19 PM: IanC: Evening. 9:03:45 PM: IanC: golan: Good day for Georgetown! We came first of 10! 9:03:53 PM: _Fungus_: KP: your dcc is broken again, email 9:04:10 PM: golan: Nice one. You guys are cruising. 9:04:17 PM: Antares51: A programmer attempted to write a debugger/analyzer. M$ gave him an award then told him to cripple it! 9:04:40 PM: IanC: golan: for sure! Tis good! 9:04:54 PM: _Fungus_: umm 9:04:58 PM: _Fungus_: NetReflector :) 9:05:10 PM: Antares51: The programmer used the publicly available SDK. 9:05:16 PM: _Fungus_: yes I read that 9:05:23 PM: _Fungus_: they gave him an award at first 9:05:25 PM: KilrPilr: ok on the way 9:05:47 PM: madcrow: oh... they told him to make it not run on the freeware version... 9:06:13 PM: Antares51: M$: One hand doesn't know what the other is doing! 9:07:04 PM: madcrow: Interesting... The 1551 had a 6510... 9:07:19 PM: Antares51: Indeed? 9:07:45 PM: madcrow: yeah... shame it only worked on the c16/+4... 9:08:05 PM: _Fungus_: they told him not to make it compile with the freeware version 9:08:06 PM: Antares51: Required an interface cart. 9:08:18 PM: _Fungus_: doesnt matter 9:08:36 PM: Antares51: He told them to kiss his a$$. 9:08:45 PM: _Fungus_: yep 9:09:00 PM: _Fungus_: they keep threatening oleh yushuk too 9:09:05 PM: _Fungus_: he tells them to bite his *** 9:09:10 PM: madcrow: to be fair, the license for the freeware m$ devtools do ban plugins 9:09:26 PM: Antares51: Another M$ innovation (not). 9:09:39 PM: madcrow: it's a crappy license 9:09:41 PM: _Fungus_: that's why we must petition DRM 9:09:53 PM: _Fungus_: and the copyrighting of code 9:09:56 PM: _Fungus_: it's plain wrong 9:09:57 PM: ShadowM: http://www.theregister.com/2007/06/05/microsoft_mvp_threats/ 9:10:07 PM: madcrow: meh. i don't see why to even bother with .net, when Java is so much better 9:10:34 PM: Antares51: Software patents opens a "Pandora's Box" of major problems. 9:11:08 PM: Antares51: I prefer Java or Ajax anyway. 9:11:24 PM: madcrow: exactly 9:11:29 PM: ShadowM: Java rulez OK 9:11:40 PM: Antares51: Right on! 9:11:43 PM: madcrow: Java is more useful as you can make standalone stuff ith it 9:12:03 PM: _Fungus_: asm+c rulez ;D 9:12:06 PM: madcrow: someday i plan on doing cellphone remakes of c64 classics in java 9:12:13 PM: Antares51: Java is platform independent. 9:12:19 PM: _Fungus_: so is C 9:12:30 PM: ShadowM: only after you recompile it 9:12:39 PM: madcrow: and there's endian issues 9:12:42 PM: _Fungus_: and doesn't require any 3rd party API 9:12:43 PM: ShadowM: and if you have the same libraries 9:12:51 PM: Antares51: Just as it should be. No "embrace and extend" from M$. 9:12:58 PM: _Fungus_: C is not M$ 9:13:01 PM: _Fungus_: CPP is 9:14:41 PM: madcrow: CPP is hardly M$ either 9:14:48 PM: Antares51: The only thing M$ did half-right was AmigaBASIC. 9:15:10 PM: madcrow: M$ did BASIC pretty well in general 9:15:19 PM: *** LordRonin (~lordronin@spoof-1F3A03B7.dial1.seattle1.level3.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:15:19 PM: *** Mode change "+o LordRonin" on #c64friends by ChanServ 9:15:28 PM: Antares51: LR! 9:15:44 PM: madcrow: only people that did BASIC better than M$ were a british outfit called locomotive 9:15:47 PM: golan: Hi, LR. 9:15:48 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Antares: didn't get the ride to town this last week to post your PS units. 9:15:55 PM: LordRonin: Hoi golan 9:15:59 PM: _Fungus_: but basic is crap :) 9:16:13 PM: _Fungus_: hey LR 9:16:18 PM: Antares51: Take your time LR. It's kept this long. 9:16:21 PM: madcrow: sadly, no better HLLs exist for C64 9:16:23 PM: Stephan: Hey LR 9:16:27 PM: KilrPilr: Hi LordRonin 9:16:34 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Fungus, se that youare still not happy with Basic ;-? 9:16:39 PM: madcrow: hey ronin-sama 9:16:44 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Stephan 9:16:49 PM: Antares51: BASIC is a start, not an end. 9:16:51 PM: LordRonin: Hoi KilrPilr 9:17:07 PM: LordRonin: Hoi madcrow 9:17:09 PM: _Fungus_: madcrow: fourth 9:17:13 PM: _Fungus_: C too 9:17:15 PM: _Fungus_: ;) 9:17:22 PM: Stephan: Man if the night is going to be like this then I need some beer 9:17:38 PM: madcrow: forth is no better than basic, it's just a different syntax 9:17:49 PM: Antares51: I got Jim Lawless nearby. I need to really get into forth. 9:17:51 PM: madcrow: c and the 65xx don't mix 9:17:55 PM: KilrPilr: LR did you get eh pics of the florida twister? 9:18:33 PM: LordRonin: No not yet, didn't have time to go over the mail today. Just made it in from the shop. 9:18:59 PM: Antares51: Forth is more easily extendable than BASIC. Faster and smaller binaries too. 9:19:09 PM: LordRonin: Basic is OK for the dum orks, like me. As I was turned off to computers. Simply because of starting with fortran in college. 9:19:10 PM: _Fungus_: madcrow: sure they do 9:19:17 PM: _Fungus_: they made C in like 184 for it 9:19:21 PM: _Fungus_: er 1984 9:19:36 PM: madcrow: but the implemtation of C stinks 9:20:26 PM: Antares51: C doesn't lend itself out well to eight-bit systems. 9:20:27 PM: LordRonin: Haven't tried C yet. Do have the "bertterowrking" box thing with C. Sitting above my head. 9:20:34 PM: madcrow: and C isn't really a high level language, it's a slightly abstracted take on/set of macros for PDP-11/VAX ML 9:21:03 PM: ShadowM: http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/powerc.html 9:21:21 PM: Antares51: I believe the best way to program on eight-bit systems is still assembly. 9:21:24 PM: _Fungus_: yeah, C is a mid level language 9:21:32 PM: _Fungus_: somewhere in between 9:21:39 PM: madcrow: c only "fits" modern cpus because they all cribbed off the basic design principles of the DEC stuff 9:21:46 PM: *** rrCurtisP (CurtisP@spoof-F12BC7B2.neo.res.rr.com) has joined channel #c64friends 9:21:50 PM: _Fungus_: everything is ripped off from VAX :D 9:21:56 PM: LordRonin: Hoi rrCurtisP 9:21:58 PM: _Fungus_: even the filesystem 9:21:58 PM: Antares51: Hello Curtis. 9:22:00 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:22:06 PM: rrCurtisP: hello then 9:22:13 PM: madcrow: FS existed long before the VAX 9:22:19 PM: madcrow: Multics has one 9:22:32 PM: madcrow: UNIX (even on the PDP-7) had one 9:23:21 PM: Antares51: I wonder where Snog went? 9:24:04 PM: Antares51: ...pregnant pause... 9:24:11 PM: _Fungus_: yeah, macro asm in the only way to go on an 8 bit system 9:24:12 PM: LordRonin: Didn't he say something about either being late or mising the caht, last Saturday? 9:24:19 PM: _Fungus_: everything is just too slow 9:24:23 PM: _Fungus_: otherwise 9:25:05 PM: Antares51: I strongly agree. I learned this from discussions here. 9:25:33 PM: madcrow: actually, fairly substantial c systems were coded for z80-based systems 9:26:01 PM: LordRonin: Basic si where we are at in the U.G. at the moment. But thanks to some words of encouragement from fungus, and KP, we have looked a bit at ml/asm 9:26:11 PM: Antares51: C can be big and cumbersome. 9:26:51 PM: rrCurtisP: c depends on the stack a bit 9:27:06 PM: Antares51: Jim Butterfield made assembly much easier to understand. 9:27:12 PM: madcrow: Yeah, which is why Z80 can handle it 9:27:29 PM: madcrow: z80 is a miniature PDP clone 9:27:45 PM: madcrow: 65xx was the start of something completely different 9:27:52 PM: rrCurtisP: z80 is nothing like the PDP 9:28:07 PM: madcrow: not technically, but philisophically 9:28:07 PM: Antares51: The 68000 is a better representation of a VAX. 9:28:26 PM: rrCurtisP: z80 is actually an improved 8080 9:28:36 PM: madcrow: i know 9:28:55 PM: rrCurtisP: 68000 is more like PDP, it seems like it was designed for C 9:29:11 PM: madcrow: but the 8080/z80 were firmly rooted in design assumptuions that were held over from the minicomputer era 9:29:24 PM: madcrow: the 6502 wasn't 9:29:42 PM: Antares51: I ran XENIX on a 7 MHz 68K system. Cool! 9:30:27 PM: Antares51: Multiuser on 512k ram. 9:30:38 PM: madcrow: heh 9:31:23 PM: madcrow: 7th Edition Unix was designed for PDP-11s with 256KB of RAM 9:31:35 PM: rrCurtisP: the 6502 design was based roughly on the 6800 9:32:12 PM: madcrow: the 6502 was cut down fairly substatially though, almost to the point of proto-RISCishness 9:32:45 PM: *** beeman (~Javauser@spoof-5A69352D.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined channel #c64friends 9:32:48 PM: rrCurtisP: oh it's RISC alright 9:33:01 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Beeman 9:33:03 PM: madcrow: 6800 wasn't though 9:33:15 PM: Antares51: 6502: Fast, efficient, and CHEAP. 9:33:16 PM: beeman: Hello ALL 9:33:35 PM: Antares51: Evening Beeman. 9:33:48 PM: rrCurtisP: it had that patented thing where the designer shaved a cycle off of certain instructions 9:34:11 PM: _Fungus_: z80 is an obnoxious processor 9:34:57 PM: madcrow: not really any more obnoxious than any other minicomputer-inspired cpu 9:35:05 PM: Antares51: The Z80 wasn't all that bad. It just showed it's Intel heritage. 9:35:13 PM: beeman: hey LR , I got the better load and save monual Monday 9:35:22 PM: LordRonin: Fungus, lamer question here. This is the same z80 that is in the 128? 9:35:36 PM: _Fungus_: 8080a is superior, but alas even more expensive at the time 9:35:42 PM: _Fungus_: LR: yep 9:35:45 PM: LordRonin: beeman great! Hope that it is a help to your work. 9:36:02 PM: *** Hershey (~Javauser@spoof-8D3D2801.inetlink.ca) has joined channel #c64friends 9:36:06 PM: _Fungus_: you can make programs for the z80 on the 128 that will cause a buss conflict and lock up the machine, and possibly destory the vic chip 9:36:08 PM: beeman: yesit done 9:36:12 PM: madcrow: 8080a didn't have the depth of adressing modes and instructions that the z80 did 9:36:13 PM: Hershey: hello all 9:36:16 PM: LordRonin: Fungus, thought that was maybe the case. Been actually reading a copy of the 128D manual 9:36:22 PM: Antares51: Intel made their chips perform by brute force rather than finess. 9:36:24 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Hershey 9:36:30 PM: _Fungus_: but the z80 is running at 1mhz, which 1/4 of the speed of the 6502 9:36:38 PM: madcrow: 2 mhz 9:36:42 PM: _Fungus_: nope 9:36:44 PM: _Fungus_: 1mhz 9:36:49 PM: _Fungus_: vic doesn't work at 2mhz 9:36:51 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:36:53 PM: Antares51: Hello Hershey. 9:36:54 PM: madcrow: i though they both ran at 2... 9:37:09 PM: madcrow: and vic was disabled when z80 was on 9:37:33 PM: Antares51: On the 128 both the Z80 and the 8502 ran at 2 MHz. 9:37:34 PM: LordRonin: beeman lay odds that you like the use of $ for the directory? 9:38:09 PM: LordRonin: Fungus, not touched cp/m yet on the 128. Bit aways in my level of understanding 9:38:15 PM: madcrow: i've always wondered about that actually 9:38:16 PM: KilrPilr: fungus: u get the email? 9:38:46 PM: madcrow: was $ a special file or just a signal to send to the dos 9:39:00 PM: LordRonin: Thought I read someplace that the z80 was also at 2Mcps 9:39:32 PM: madcrow: cp/m isn't all that bad... it's basically like RT-11 or OS-8 9:39:35 PM: LordRonin: madcow in the turbo load and save cart, IIRC it was to get a directory listing from the disk on the 64 9:39:39 PM: Antares51: That's on the 128. 9:39:53 PM: _Fungus_: LR: don't bother, use a kaypro or other decent cp/m machine :) 9:40:07 PM: rrCurtisP: $ was a message to the DOS 9:40:09 PM: madcrow: lr: i know. it was also the normal dir code load "$",8 9:40:30 PM: rrCurtisP: 8502 ran at 2mhz only if the VIC was turned off 9:40:36 PM: rrCurtisP: er VIC-II 9:40:45 PM: LordRonin: Fungus, well may after ml/assm I'll tackle amos or learn to prg on the linux system 9:40:46 PM: Antares51: They had to underclock the Z80 to run the system correctly. 9:40:57 PM: madcrow: i know 9:41:08 PM: madcrow: 2 mhz is the slowest z80 i've ever seen 9:41:18 PM: _Fungus_: get a cp/m c64 cart :) 9:41:31 PM: Antares51: A Z80 running at 2 MHz is very slow compared to the 8502. 9:41:36 PM: LordRonin: Fungus did those actually work, and has anyoone seen one? 9:41:58 PM: _Fungus_: LR: better get on it, your getting old :) 9:42:07 PM: Antares51: The TRS-80 Model I ran slow than 2 MHz. 9:42:07 PM: _Fungus_: I had one yes, it works 9:42:26 PM: beeman: Hey L R I going to send you the MP3/ V4.1 upgrade to GEOS, I like it better then Wheels for PRINTING thanks 9:42:33 PM: _Fungus_: I even had cp/m 2.0 for it 9:42:37 PM: LordRonin: Ah I only turned 57 last week. Not that old. You young whipper snapper 9:42:39 PM: madcrow: i'm just amazed at how FAST a 3.5 mhz Z80 can be... 9:42:53 PM: madcrow: http://www.symbos.de/ 9:43:14 PM: Antares51: Try running a 64180 at 8 MHz. 9:43:30 PM: LordRonin: beeman thanks, I'm just now resetting my enitre Gos partition on the Hd. Have to find my original disks to please Wheels. 9:44:05 PM: madcrow: why's the 64180 any better than a genuine Zilog part? 9:44:07 PM: LordRonin: and yes the typos are because I am sober tonight 9:44:19 PM: beeman: LR I be &^ in Dec. 9:44:23 PM: Antares51: 64180 is the Hitachi Z80 clone. 9:44:27 PM: _Fungus_: that's becuase z80 has pseudo 16 bit mode 9:44:52 PM: _Fungus_: some things can be done faster, especially math 9:44:55 PM: beeman: 76 in Dec. 9:44:55 PM: _Fungus_: but most not 9:45:13 PM: madcrow: fungus: what's because it has a pseudo 16-bit mode 9:45:14 PM: Antares51: 64180 is 10% faster at the same clock rate. 9:45:22 PM: madcrow: i'm 22 next month 9:45:31 PM: LordRonin: beeman Hoping that that translates to 76 on this keyboard. Early happy birthday to you. 9:45:51 PM: Antares51: Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. 9:46:08 PM: _Fungus_: and, in 1978 the 68000 was availble 9:46:15 PM: _Fungus_: horrendously expensive tho 9:46:16 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:46:39 PM: madcrow: the 68000 was aimed at the same market as a low-end VAX configuration... 9:46:43 PM: _Fungus_: which mops the floor with the 8080, z80 and 6502 9:46:58 PM: Antares51: At least it wasn't hobbled like the 8086. 9:47:26 PM: _Fungus_: the 6809E is a superior 8 bit processor 9:47:42 PM: madcrow: Hitachi 6309, actually 9:47:44 PM: Antares51: Nope. 6309 is. 9:48:03 PM: madcrow: beatcha 9:48:07 PM: Antares51: Pin compatible too. 9:48:24 PM: _Fungus_: 6809E has a very nice instruction set 9:48:26 PM: madcrow: 6309 filled out some of the 16 bit modes from the 09 9:48:32 PM: Antares51: You got me crow. 9:48:41 PM: rrCurtisP: 6809 was a wacky processor 9:48:57 PM: Antares51: Used in a lot of cars. 9:49:03 PM: _Fungus_: an extended 6800/6502 9:49:08 PM: _Fungus_: also used in the vectrex :) 9:49:13 PM: madcrow: 6309 was a 6809e plus some extra instructions to make pseudo-16 life a bit easier 9:49:43 PM: _Fungus_: I have no exp with hitachi processor 9:49:49 PM: _Fungus_: so no opinion 9:49:50 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:50:18 PM: madcrow: and not, the 6800/6809/6309 line were all much CISCier than the 6502 9:50:20 PM: Antares51: Still prefer the XX02 line. 9:50:33 PM: _Fungus_: I would have to say, the 8 bit processors in the turbo duo/tg16 are prolly the best 9:50:34 PM: rrCurtisP: the 4004 was truly wacky... 9:50:50 PM: _Fungus_: 6502 is risc 9:51:11 PM: madcrow: fungus: they were rebabdge 65c02 clones running at 8 mhz 9:51:14 PM: _Fungus_: it even have basic pipelining 9:51:20 PM: madcrow: i know 9:52:01 PM: madcrow: but 6800 and it's "official" decendants were CISC 9:52:26 PM: Antares51: ...and overpriced. 9:52:34 PM: _Fungus_: and now we have x86 which is even more rediculous 9:52:47 PM: _Fungus_: I have never seen so many redundant opcodes 9:52:48 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:52:49 PM: madcrow: x86 is a mess 9:53:07 PM: _Fungus_: and little endian on 32 bit is like... meh 9:53:09 PM: rrCurtisP: the x86 has a horrible architecture 9:53:20 PM: madcrow: why couldn't we have gone with a NICE arch like ARM or POWER or SPARC 9:53:25 PM: _Fungus_: arm rox 9:53:32 PM: Antares51: X86 is just plain nuts! 9:53:47 PM: madcrow: arm == 32-bit 6502 descendant 9:53:52 PM: _Fungus_: yeps 9:54:06 PM: madcrow: ar:6502::x86:8080 9:54:27 PM: _Fungus_: x86 is so not like 8080 9:54:29 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:54:36 PM: Antares51: or SPARC? 9:54:43 PM: _Fungus_: 8080 is much closer to 6502 9:55:00 PM: madcrow: arm was designed so acorn could easily port their 6502 stuff to a 32-bit arch 9:55:03 PM: _Fungus_: it's this backwards compat crap 9:55:13 PM: _Fungus_: (who's idea was this?) 9:55:13 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:55:33 PM: *** Signoff: Hellion_1 (Quit: ) 9:55:37 PM: _Fungus_: sometimes it is just time to toss out the old, bring in the new 9:55:47 PM: Antares51: Agreed. 9:55:49 PM: madcrow: ARM9!!!! 9:56:17 PM: Antares51 uses the KISS principle. 9:56:24 PM: _Fungus_: intel has attempted to do so with itanium 9:56:28 PM: _Fungus_: no one buys it 9:56:35 PM: rrCurtisP: Kings in Satans Service? 9:56:42 PM: Antares51: Itanic's a bigger joke! 9:56:46 PM: _Fungus_: Keep it simple stupid!!! 9:56:48 PM: _Fungus_: :D 9:56:53 PM: madcrow: I'd love to build an ARM-based "neo-micro" that uses Python or Lua as it's ROM language 9:57:20 PM: _Fungus_: that is what KISS really means.. 9:57:35 PM: Antares51: You got it! 9:57:39 PM: bogax: why Python of Lua? 9:57:57 PM: LordRonin: short night for me this week. Catrch you gain next session 9:58:08 PM: *** Signoff: LordRonin (Client exited) 9:58:08 PM: _Fungus_: python can import and use libs from any language (learned this from pell) 9:58:11 PM: madcrow: they're sort of like the BASIC of today 9:58:22 PM: madcrow: easy to learn and interactive 9:58:29 PM: rrCurtisP: I like Basic 9:58:35 PM: bogax: how about Javascript 9:58:38 PM: Antares51 needs to retire also. 9:58:44 PM: _Fungus_: javascript is horrid 9:58:53 PM: _Fungus_: I hat eit 9:58:55 PM: rrCurtisP: Javascript is too specific 9:58:56 PM: bogax: how so? 9:58:56 PM: madcrow: JS is crap as a design compared to Python, Ruby or Lua 9:58:59 PM: Antares51: Niters! 9:59:19 PM: rrCurtisP: I also like Perl and PHP 9:59:24 PM: bogax: specific yeah, it would need extensions 9:59:32 PM: _Fungus_: anything that requires runtime libs, is stupid imo 9:59:44 PM: *** Signoff: Antares51 (Quit: Commodore's rule.) 9:59:49 PM: bogax: but it's so loose 10:00:01 PM: _Fungus_: and full of holes :) 10:00:13 PM: madcrow: Perl stinks... It's not freindly enough to encourage exploration 10:00:58 PM: _Fungus_: I dont like basic becuase everythin gis in abstracts 10:01:02 PM: madcrow: and can JS be used interactively? 10:01:07 PM: _Fungus_: abstracts ar enot logical 10:01:42 PM: _Fungus_: it also has severse memory limitiations and is slow as heck 10:01:46 PM: madcrow: what, your ideal computer would need to have binary machine code toggled in from a front panel? 10:02:06 PM: bogax: no, it could be a hex pad 10:02:06 PM: _Fungus_: severse = severe 10:02:15 PM: _Fungus_ busts out with the altair 10:02:17 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:02:32 PM: madcrow busts out the PDP8 10:03:01 PM: madcrow decides to change to the ENIAC for comedy purposes 10:03:07 PM: rrCurtisP busts out the KIM-1 10:03:12 PM: bogax: my first computer was an elf 10:03:21 PM: rrCurtisP: mine was a ZX81 10:03:30 PM: _Fungus_ throws all madcrow's program cards on the floor, after erasing the line numbers 10:03:33 PM: _Fungus_: hehehe 10:03:34 PM: madcrow: northgate 386 10:04:09 PM: madcrow shreds Fugus's paper tapes 10:04:31 PM: _Fungus_: YEAH! 10:04:36 PM: _Fungus_ starts a fire 10:04:37 PM: madcrow: *fungus 10:05:01 PM: _Fungus_ drops an IBM270 on madcrow *SPLAT* 10:05:05 PM: madcrow puts out the fire and bootstarps VMS on the VAX in the corner 10:05:08 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:05:21 PM: madcrow is now unhackable 10:06:19 PM: madcrow takes out an sx-64 to have some fun 10:07:43 PM: madcrow fires up elite 10:08:00 PM: rrCurtisP: I've been coding in a compiled Integer Basic for the Atari 2600 10:08:15 PM: _Fungus_: amazing waste of time 10:08:34 PM: rrCurtisP: says someone in a C64 channel 10:08:34 PM: madcrow: what use is basic on an atari 10:08:38 PM: _Fungus_: you only have 128 bytes of tam 10:08:40 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:08:43 PM: Stephan: Booo 10:08:47 PM: rrCurtisP: it's compiled 10:08:47 PM: _Fungus_: tam = ram 10:08:49 PM: _Fungus_: so? 10:08:56 PM: _Fungus_: compiled is always bigger than asm 10:09:03 PM: rrCurtisP: so the code resides in ROM 10:09:09 PM: madcrow: oh, meaning a PC-based devkit with a basic-like language 10:09:11 PM: _Fungus_: and to properly code the stella, you just have to go asm 10:09:15 PM: _Fungus_: no way around it 10:09:47 PM: rrCurtisP: the kernel needs to be in ASM 10:10:07 PM: rrCurtisP: but the overscan routines can be compiled 10:10:07 PM: madcrow: to properly code the stella you need to cross your fingers then drag a magnet randomly over a stack of old core memory, dump the thing and hope you goyt something useful 10:10:19 PM: _Fungus_: hehehe 10:10:26 PM: madcrow: that's how they wrote ET 10:10:27 PM: rrCurtisP: and the compiler is reasonably efficient 10:10:27 PM: _Fungus_: 2600 is most torturous machine there is to code 10:10:45 PM: rrCurtisP: I ported one of my C64 games over to the 2600 10:11:31 PM: _Fungus_: hey, I liked ET 10:11:52 PM: _Fungus_: people just couldn't figure out how to play it.. 10:12:11 PM: madcrow: a game so bad it caused the great video game crash, yet you say you LIKED it 10:12:31 PM: rrCurtisP: every game, no matter how bad, has at least one person who liked it 10:12:40 PM: _Fungus_: nah the great video game crash happened becuase the market was flooded 10:13:13 PM: madcrow: hmm 10:13:22 PM: madcrow: oh wellz. i == tired 10:13:25 PM: madcrow: gnight 10:13:26 PM: _Fungus_: arcade technology had surpassed system like the 2600 by far 10:13:32 PM: *** madcrow has left channel #c64friends 10:14:01 PM: _Fungus_: 5200 was a joke 10:14:18 PM: rrCurtisP: 5200 was pointless, when the 800xl was out 10:14:23 PM: _Fungus_: yep 10:14:36 PM: _Fungus_: and analog joysticks were just crap for arcade games 10:15:02 PM: bogax: adventure was about the best game ever 10:15:08 PM: _Fungus_: adventure rules :) 10:15:11 PM: *** Signoff: ShadowM (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12) 10:15:32 PM: _Fungus_: too bad the new mini atari doesn't execute it right... 10:15:42 PM: _Fungus_: it's impossible to kill the dragons 10:17:47 PM: rrCurtisP: I never tried the Mini Atari 10:17:59 PM: _Fungus_: I have one, it's neat 10:18:12 PM: rrCurtisP: I have several heavy six switchers 10:18:17 PM: _Fungus_: I considered modding it to play carts, but some of the games don't work 10:18:18 PM: rrCurtisP: that's good enough for me 10:18:33 PM: rrCurtisP: and a Starpath Supercharger 10:18:39 PM: _Fungus_: nice 10:18:40 PM: rrCurtisP: so I can play the games I make 10:18:59 PM: *** Signoff: beeman (Quit: Leaving) 10:20:49 PM: Masher: back in the day, it was either get a 2600 or a VIC-20. I chose the VIC. 10:21:08 PM: Masher: which eventually led to the 64 :) 10:21:17 PM: *** James_M (~guest@spoof-BA7B34E.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:21:18 PM: _Fungus_: good choice :) 10:21:23 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy James_M 10:21:23 PM: James_M: Hello 10:21:27 PM: _Fungus_: I got an NES instead :/ 10:21:29 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:21:47 PM: _Fungus_: but, I had Zelda, so that made it all better 10:21:54 PM: *** You are no longer marked as being away 10:22:05 PM: Masher: I eventually got the 2600, about three years ago. 10:22:28 PM: Masher: But I prefer the VIC's games over the Atari games. 10:23:20 PM: _Fungus_: demon attack \o/ 10:23:31 PM: Masher: I modifed the basic code in Zorgons Kingdom to have infinite lives on the VIC. 10:23:42 PM: Masher: try that with an Atari cartridge :) 10:23:57 PM: _Fungus_: easy enough if you ahve a supercharger :) 10:24:31 PM: golan: Anyone need any Amiga-compatible monitors? I've got a 15 and a 21, both with BNC inputs (I have the cables too.) 10:24:58 PM: Masher: Oh really? Up until now I wasn't aware you could do that. Interesting ... 10:25:47 PM: _Fungus_: yep change the dec $xx to bit $xx 10:25:47 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:25:53 PM: _Fungus_: or lda 10:25:56 PM: _Fungus_: wheeeee 10:26:37 PM: golan: Careful you don't use too much LDA or W* will get you! 10:26:45 PM: _Fungus_: BUHAUHA 10:27:59 PM: *** weirdwolf (~weirdwolf@spoof-91404483.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:28:09 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy weirdwolf 10:28:21 PM: weirdwolf: snog 10:28:33 PM: _Fungus_: ww 10:28:40 PM: weirdwolf: fungus 10:28:47 PM: Masher: well, you still can't hook a disk drive up to a 2600 and save your game level. 10:29:02 PM: _Fungus_: this is true :) 10:29:29 PM: rrCurtisP: Back in the day, I was definitely computer over video game 10:29:39 PM: weirdwolf: Can you still hook up a 2600 to a 212 power Euroline and wonder if the American Fourth of July is better? 10:30:40 PM: _Fungus_: there are pal 2600 10:30:44 PM: Masher: 220 volts on the 2600? Kaboom! 10:30:56 PM: weirdwolf: f: ;-) you didn't get my joke 10:31:01 PM: weirdwolf: Masher did 10:32:05 PM: KilrPilr: hey jeremy 10:32:55 PM: _Fungus_: nope 10:32:58 PM: _Fungus_: I never get your weirdo humor :) 10:33:11 PM: KilrPilr: ouchie 10:33:24 PM: Snogpitch: But what IF you are playing Kaboom, what then? 10:33:26 PM: _Fungus_: brb 10:33:38 PM: *** Signoff: _Fungus_ (Quit: ) 10:33:59 PM: *** _Fungus_ (w2kue@spoof-4AEAEC61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends 10:34:21 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy _Fungus_ 10:34:54 PM: _Fungus_: re 10:35:07 PM: _Fungus_: hey, I found a computer store today, with some OLD commodore hw 10:35:11 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:35:25 PM: _Fungus_: how much do you think vic-20 and c64 MADE IN USA will get? 10:35:29 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:35:51 PM: rrCurtisP: just the computers? 10:35:57 PM: _Fungus_: yeah 10:36:04 PM: rrCurtisP: $200 each? 10:36:06 PM: _Fungus_: I've never seen ones made in usa before 10:36:08 PM: _Fungus_: sweet 10:44:20 PM: golan: Here's an odd thing: http://cgi.ebay.com/Modded-Commodore-Vic-20-64C-case-w-2-games-manuals-box_W0QQitemZ130123512028QQihZ003QQcategoryZ74945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 10:44:30 PM: golan: Guy even made a custom label. How strange. 10:46:17 PM: weirdwolf: snogpitch: I was speaking of playing kaboom with hardware 10:46:25 PM: weirdwolf: 200 each for a vic 20? 10:47:02 PM: _Fungus_: WW: I found some MADE IN USA commodore's 10:47:04 PM: weirdwolf asks Fungus? 10:47:08 PM: _Fungus_: must be really rare 10:47:15 PM: _Fungus_: never seen one before in my life 10:47:15 PM: weirdwolf: ahh ok 10:47:23 PM: _Fungus_: the vic20 has the box too 10:47:29 PM: _Fungus_: the c64 is mint with a 1702 10:47:30 PM: weirdwolf: Pick them up if you don't own them 10:47:40 PM: _Fungus_: I'm waiting for them to email me the prices 10:47:44 PM: _Fungus_: the owner wasnt in 10:47:53 PM: weirdwolf: f: where was this at? 10:47:55 PM: golan: It is so hard to NOT buy things. 10:47:56 PM: _Fungus_: they are in thier "musuem" display 10:48:07 PM: _Fungus_: WW: in sedro wolley 10:48:20 PM: weirdwolf: hehe I think I know the place 10:48:21 PM: weirdwolf: ;-p 10:48:26 PM: _Fungus_: don;t you dare! 10:48:28 PM: weirdwolf: sedro wolley 10:48:30 PM: _Fungus_: I'll kick yer butt 10:48:32 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:48:37 PM: Stephan: So enlighten me as to why the vic-20 is cool. 10:48:43 PM: weirdwolf: I give you my promise, I'll not touch it 10:48:53 PM: _Fungus_: dont tell moloch either! 10:48:53 PM: weirdwolf: I got my own problems gettting rid of hardwarew 10:48:53 PM: _Fungus_: :D 10:49:02 PM: weirdwolf: f: agreed 10:49:37 PM: weirdwolf: hehe too bad I am not going to bellingham any time soon 10:49:52 PM: weirdwolf: problem for me is I have no room for any more stuff 10:50:42 PM: weirdwolf: f: there is a place in Portland that might be like the place you described. But commodore hardware is well hidden from what i have been told 10:51:12 PM: weirdwolf: f: Now remember, leo knows SW too 10:51:13 PM: weirdwolf: ;-p 10:52:01 PM: golan pokes at Draogs 10:52:04 PM: golan: Wake up! 10:52:23 PM: weirdwolf fires Light Ops up Dragos internet connection 10:52:35 PM: weirdwolf: Hey Slow poke? 10:52:46 PM: weirdwolf: hey Dragos, where did you run? 10:53:41 PM: KilrPilr: ive got vics coming out my unmentionables 10:53:45 PM: KilrPilr: dont worry about me 10:53:50 PM: golan: Don't mention them. 10:57:17 PM: weirdwolf: KP: What season is it up there now, snow plow or C= treachery? 10:57:49 PM: KilrPilr: summer 10:58:09 PM: weirdwolf: Are you going to be running to your piles to check them out? 10:58:33 PM: KilrPilr: what? for made in usa puters? 10:58:48 PM: KilrPilr: um sure ive seen some labeled that way 10:59:36 PM: _Fungus_ can see KP driving MrPlow truck 10:59:43 PM: KilrPilr: i had a made in canada lable on top of a made in germany lael 10:59:47 PM: weirdwolf: KP: What made int eh usa C=? 11:00:35 PM: weirdwolf: f: wrong season for KP.. He's now in Rain season.. Handing out umbrellas to the local scavengers at the dump. 11:01:15 PM: _Fungus_: hehehe 11:01:31 PM: weirdwolf: f: too bad we cannot do that here in Washington and Oregon 11:01:41 PM: weirdwolf: Ply through electronic piles 11:01:59 PM: _Fungus_: you can, at pcrecycle 11:02:09 PM: _Fungus_: :D 11:02:22 PM: _Fungus_: I'd be more interested in that this time... 11:02:24 PM: _Fungus_: lol 11:02:31 PM: _Fungus_ now a PC nazi 11:02:59 PM: weirdwolf: f: that used to be my haunt when I had 90 minutes between amtrak trains 11:03:03 PM: weirdwolf: too bad I can't do that now 11:03:13 PM: weirdwolf: Plus I have my own haunts down here now 11:03:48 PM: weirdwolf: snogpitch: is there a way to get a bot in here for !seen type things? 11:03:55 PM: weirdwolf: Wish we had that in here 11:04:56 PM: weirdwolf: golan or anyone else: has any one played with Uae? 11:05:24 PM: weirdwolf: brb 11:05:39 PM: golan: I use E-UAE, yeah. 11:05:52 PM: weirdwolf: f: do you know if pcrecycle in Seattle has problems with metal theivery? 11:06:00 PM: weirdwolf: golan: link? 11:06:04 PM: weirdwolf: I have heard of that 11:06:17 PM: Snogpitch: There used to be a bot, but the person that provided it no longer visits us, so the bot went as well 11:06:20 PM: golan: http://www.rcdrummond.net/uae/ 11:06:26 PM: golan: GIYF. :) 11:07:01 PM: Stephan: E-UAE is pretty niffty 11:07:41 PM: Stephan: I'm chilling and watching "The THing" 11:07:52 PM: golan: Great movie. 11:08:00 PM: golan: One of my favorite horror movies of all time. 11:08:02 PM: Stephan: Just d/l of a torrent sight 11:08:08 PM: Stephan: site 11:08:12 PM: Stephan: Man I missed this movie 11:08:20 PM: rrCurtisP: I should try WinUAE 11:08:39 PM: Stephan: There is a problem with that...requires windows lol 11:08:48 PM: golan: It works remarkably well given that people once said the Amiga was unemulatable (silly gits.) 11:09:04 PM: Stephan: Well it is with a crap os :) 11:09:12 PM: golan: So you E-UAE and if you have a Mac, use Hi-Toro to keep things simple. 11:09:24 PM: Stephan: Anywho, that Itaian company did a great thing with Amiga Forever. 11:09:41 PM: *** Schema (~Leif@810C7EC6.7EB95B52.84E6236E.IP) has joined channel #c64friends 11:09:41 PM: *** Mode change "+o Schema" on #c64friends by ChanServ 11:09:48 PM: Stephan: Hey Schema 11:09:58 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Schema 11:10:02 PM: Caricon: we have run Amiga Forever.. it works just great. 11:10:11 PM: Masher: hey Schema 11:10:18 PM: KilrPilr: leif 11:10:20 PM: Schema: hi all 11:10:24 PM: weirdwolf: golan: I have linux 11:10:36 PM: weirdwolf: But I think there is a E-uae version for linux 11:10:48 PM: weirdwolf: Have heard of AF 11:10:49 PM: Caricon: My wife took out the HD from the Amiga, put it up to the PC, saved off the full thing. Then ran Amiga Forever and put in the CD, and it was an exact copy of the A4000 system. 11:11:08 PM: weirdwolf: caricon: imaging system? 11:11:10 PM: weirdwolf: ;-) 11:11:25 PM: weirdwolf: you must have the wife who is the engineer/ 11:11:27 PM: golan: Yep. A lot of people use emulators to setup their Amiga hard drives and then move them to actual Amigas. 11:11:30 PM: golan: Hi, Schema. 11:11:53 PM: Caricon: just put up the CD to the PC and it saw it. 11:12:15 PM: golan: You can do it with E-UAE too. 11:12:30 PM: weirdwolf: Wish I could get LR in here.. one of his guys is an amiga nut 11:12:43 PM: weirdwolf: They are bothering me to help them set up Amiga emulators 11:12:48 PM: weirdwolf: Not really into that stuff 11:12:50 PM: golan: I know of a guy with a 1200 with a CF card as the HD and he can move it to the PC and use it with an emulator. Very handy. 11:13:11 PM: golan: He runs the emulator on a notebook so he has his Amiga when he's on the road and when goes home, he pops it into the real Amiga and keeps going. 11:13:33 PM: Stephan: Man who ever encoded this movie was dumb! lol 11:13:34 PM: Schema: that's cool. 11:13:43 PM: golan: Why don't they just downlaod it themselves and read the docs? 11:14:03 PM: weirdwolf: golan: That would be a great idea. 11:14:17 PM: golan: It's a fair question. 11:14:30 PM: KilrPilr: i wish they would put in cmd hd support in cbm4win 11:14:36 PM: KilrPilr: and of course gui4cbm 11:15:12 PM: Schema: kp, does it work at all ? even in 1541 emu mode? 11:15:33 PM: KilrPilr: some works 11:16:16 PM: KilrPilr: i did do some testing awhile back 11:16:40 PM: KilrPilr: but im not the guy for figuring out dos commands 11:17:09 PM: weirdwolf: Kp: Like n0:test,1a 11:17:11 PM: weirdwolf: ? 11:17:20 PM: Schema: I do have a cmd hd finally, I can try it out 11:17:34 PM: KilrPilr: no like thats a god send schema! 11:17:42 PM: KilrPilr: oops 11:17:47 PM: KilrPilr: -no like 11:18:00 PM: Schema: weirdwolf, no he means dos as in a dos box on xp - using cbm4win 11:18:00 PM: KilrPilr: im glad u have one now 11:18:05 PM: KilrPilr: would u look into it? 11:18:38 PM: weirdwolf: KP: Should I pull out my two? 11:18:39 PM: weirdwolf: ;-p 11:18:42 PM: Schema: sure. Never really thought of doing that, but it makes sense 11:18:49 PM: KilrPilr: please do! 11:18:56 PM: weirdwolf: lol 11:19:08 PM: KilrPilr: oh man would it make life easier 11:19:14 PM: Schema: the drive wasn't non-working when I got it. had to swap mech and power supply. 11:19:30 PM: Schema: sorry, "was non-working" 11:19:31 PM: KilrPilr: i read u had some probs with it 11:19:36 PM: KilrPilr: glad u got it sorted 11:20:01 PM: Schema: it's using a micro-atx power supply now which looks horrible, but it seems stable. 11:20:11 PM: KilrPilr: ahh 11:20:14 PM: KilrPilr: bummer 11:20:20 PM: Schema: as for transferring files between my PC and cmd hd, I used my ide64 as an intermediate 11:20:40 PM: Schema: put ide64 into CMD emulation mode. 11:20:43 PM: KilrPilr: oh right but u have the transfer cable for the ide64? 11:20:50 PM: Schema: then use PCLink to access files on the pc. 11:20:52 PM: Schema: yes. 11:21:02 PM: KilrPilr: i dont 11:21:11 PM: Schema: It's super easy to make, or protovision sells it. 11:21:28 PM: KilrPilr: direct access via xm or xa cable would be perfect 11:21:59 PM: Schema: ide64 does support x cables, but they're sooo slow compared to the pclink cable 11:22:19 PM: KilrPilr: its unreal that spiro didnt consider this in the original write of the software 11:22:25 PM: KilrPilr: or michael kline or whoever 11:22:38 PM: KilrPilr: oh is that right? 11:22:43 PM: KilrPilr: i didnt know that 11:22:59 PM: Schema: yeah, you have to customize your idedos, but it does it 11:23:18 PM: KilrPilr: where do u plug it in? 11:23:41 PM: weirdwolf: KP: id64 is in the cart. port 11:23:54 PM: weirdwolf: there is supposed to be some LOVELY huge new ideas coming up in v. 4 11:23:56 PM: KilrPilr: yeah i know, i mean the x cable? 11:23:56 PM: weirdwolf: I want one 11:24:04 PM: KilrPilr: me too 11:24:19 PM: Schema: between your 64's serial (iec) port and parallel port on the pc, just like 64hdd, I think 11:24:21 PM: Schema: http://singularcrew.hu/idedos/compile.php 11:24:28 PM: KilrPilr: ahh sweet 11:24:35 PM: KilrPilr: really! 11:24:39 PM: *** Dopple (~Dopple@spoof-DC69D595.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined channel #c64friends 11:24:40 PM: *** Mode change "+v Dopple" on #c64friends by ChanServ 11:24:51 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Dopple 11:24:54 PM: KilrPilr: I didnt know that, i wonder if you could hook up the xap parallel with it 11:25:12 PM: KilrPilr: schema: that page is gone 11:25:21 PM: Schema: ah, look here: http://news.ide64.org/2007/05/acces-to-singularcrewhu-site.html 11:25:25 PM: KilrPilr: heya dopple 11:25:42 PM: Dopple: heya 11:25:43 PM: Schema: you need to manually edit your hosts file while singularcrew.hu moves servers 11:25:49 PM: golan: What's shaking, Dopple? 11:25:59 PM: Dopple: just got back from a bike ride with the wife 11:27:29 PM: Stephan: Hey Dopple 11:27:54 PM: KilrPilr: Schema: if you need any help or guidance with the cbm4win, wolfgang moser seems more than willing to help 11:27:58 PM: Dopple: y0 stephan 11:29:13 PM: *** James_M has left channel #c64friends 11:30:19 PM: Schema: KP: yeah, I talked to him a while back. were you able to get the the idedos page after making the hosts change? 11:30:28 PM: KilrPilr: yep 11:30:47 PM: KilrPilr: oh no sorry 11:30:50 PM: KilrPilr: i didnt try that 11:33:35 PM: KilrPilr: nope cant figure it out 11:34:15 PM: KilrPilr: i r to lame 11:35:58 PM: weirdwolf: Kp: Have you been reading Lr's book on Emulating Wildstar's Speech? 11:36:09 PM: _Fungus_: lda sta? 11:36:11 PM: golan: Schema: What's new with you anyway? 11:36:37 PM: KilrPilr: lol no wW 11:36:39 PM: Dopple: whuh? 11:36:39 PM: weirdwolf: KP: just teasing you.. 11:37:04 PM: weirdwolf: LR says in his e-mails " i r too lame.." 11:37:06 PM: KilrPilr: u were? 11:37:20 PM: _Fungus_: LR's book about emulating Wildstar's speech would be a book about emulating Wildstar's speech. 11:38:07 PM: weirdwolf: f: do you have that in Flash? 11:38:08 PM: weirdwolf: ;-p 11:38:10 PM: _Fungus_: ugh, it hurts my head to even try to attempt to think like W* 11:38:13 PM: _Fungus_: "D 11:38:24 PM: Dopple tries to not think. 11:39:02 PM: _Fungus_ loves to think 11:39:05 PM: Schema: golan: busy as always. tired from cooking for the church bbq which was today. 11:39:07 PM: weirdwolf: ok, enough of my joking 11:39:36 PM: _Fungus_: Schema: what denomination are you? 11:39:38 PM: Schema: as for commodore stuff, making good headway on artillery duel. got some code from Fungus to help make the ip address input better. 11:39:42 PM: _Fungus_: I had no idea you were religious 11:40:01 PM: _Fungus_: I have to say, your one of the nicest religious persons I have ever met. 11:40:09 PM: Schema: heh. 11:41:13 PM: Schema: anglican aka episcopalian or however it's spelled in the u.s. 11:42:22 PM: KilrPilr: are u happy with the monster cart ? 11:42:28 PM: KilrPilr: i like it 11:42:42 PM: KilrPilr: its off track but i like lotsa features 11:43:00 PM: _Fungus_: what, I thought eslapion threw a fit? 11:43:10 PM: KilrPilr: he still is 11:43:13 PM: KilrPilr: it hasnt stopped 11:43:16 PM: KilrPilr: :D 11:43:27 PM: KilrPilr: he feels wronged 11:43:42 PM: Schema: he's warming to the idea somewhat 11:46:25 PM: KilrPilr: eslapion is too narrow minded 11:46:45 PM: KilrPilr: he cant see the trees through the forest 11:47:02 PM: golan: I am having a hard time not exercising some moderator's privilge on Denial. There is no constructive discussion at this point. 11:47:19 PM: KilrPilr: let them work it out 11:47:19 PM: Dopple: I guess I missed that thread 11:47:37 PM: _Fungus_: eslpaion has serious social behavior issues 11:47:55 PM: golan: We need one thread, not multiple. 11:48:17 PM: KilrPilr: well hes french 11:48:38 PM: KilrPilr: has a hard time saying what he means gnetly 11:49:02 PM: Dopple: hm... need some kinda Eslap-filter. 11:50:12 PM: Schema: Originally, I wanted one hardware thread and one software thread for it. 11:50:23 PM: *** jppbm (~jppbm@spoof-69B596AE.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined channel #c64friends 11:50:31 PM: weirdwolf: hey joe 11:50:38 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy jppbm 11:50:48 PM: jppbm: good evening all 11:50:50 PM: Schema: jppbm!!!! 11:50:54 PM: _Fungus_: from what he told me, he spend to much time in his lab at the college and not enough time outside with real people 11:50:58 PM: KilrPilr: hey joe 11:50:59 PM: jppbm: schema!!! 11:51:04 PM: _Fungus_: hey joe 11:51:51 PM: jppbm: I reformatted my 300GB ...All by my self! :D 11:52:00 PM: Schema: congrats! 11:52:10 PM: Schema: lots of room for pr0n! 11:52:13 PM: KilrPilr: good job 11:52:22 PM: KilrPilr: ah hem 11:52:39 PM: jppbm: Now I gotta find a CD with the 'Leif" folder... 11:53:12 PM: KilrPilr: did u back up your file to your other hard drive? 11:53:32 PM: jppbm: yep...has 4gb of space... 11:54:02 PM: golan: Hi, Joe. 11:54:26 PM: Masher: hi Joe 11:54:33 PM: jppbm: already started putting old old OLD Backups back....porn with muff?!? 11:55:02 PM: jppbm: masher 11:55:03 PM: Schema: let's keep the Leif folder out of the porn, please. 11:55:26 PM: Masher: :D 11:55:39 PM: jppbm: that will pop up 2yr l8r if i can find the CD 11:55:42 PM: Dopple: heya joe... 11:55:49 PM: jppbm: hey dop 11:55:56 PM: _Fungus_: http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/2007/buriedcarunearthed/articles.aspx?articleID=070616_1_A1_hOnli25538 11:55:58 PM: _Fungus_: this is funny 11:56:01 PM: _Fungus_: what a rust bucket 11:56:03 PM: _Fungus_: lol 11:56:44 PM: Dopple: hey, they unwrapped it 11:56:49 PM: golan: If there's one thing the Internet needs more of it, it's porn. 11:57:08 PM: Caricon: at least good quality porn 11:57:22 PM: _Fungus_: no no, more blogs! 11:57:30 PM: _Fungus_: w/porn! 11:57:33 PM: Schema: blogs about porn! 11:57:40 PM: weirdwolf: F; no blogged pron? 11:57:41 PM: _Fungus_: LOL 11:57:55 PM: weirdwolf: schema: that was cute 11:58:58 PM: KilrPilr: there just isnt enough is there golan? 11:59:10 PM: KilrPilr: WW agrees with you@ Log file closed at: Jun 17, 2007 12:00 AM