Log file opened at: Mar 17, 2007 9:04:30 PM 9:04:30 PM: *** Topic for #c64friends: We Adore Our C64 - and Q-Link!! 9:04:30 PM: *** Topic for #c64friends set by ChanServ on March 1, 2007 10:50:44 PM 9:04:30 PM: #c64friends: Snogpitch @RobertB Q-Link Bryan Rayzor WShatner beeman @Dopple @Rohno +kthorn +PJimAFK +blakespot +questor +groepaz_ @Squatdog @dracosilv +Pelleas @Talus dragosWRK Eddie2 @Dragos3 @_Six_ Wildstar bogax antares51 @Stephan smj Maurice yock @golan MikeAZ1 @Moloch @al @DragonFlu 9:04:30 PM: *** End of /NAMES list. 9:04:32 PM: RobertB: And Golan. 9:04:35 PM: Bryan: Hey RobertB! 9:04:37 PM: smj: and its snoggy 9:04:39 PM: al: hey Snogpitch 9:04:40 PM: RobertB: Hi, Snog. 9:04:43 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy folks 9:04:46 PM: smj: snoggers 9:04:49 PM: golan: And Snogs. Everyone is quite punctual tonight. 9:05:01 PM: smj: That post on csc must have done it 9:05:10 PM: Snogpitch: there was a post? 9:05:26 PM: smj: yes 9:05:29 PM: WShatner: nope, it's from Japan and only has Japanese writing on it 9:05:31 PM: *** BryanP (~bryan.pop@c-69-242-40-175.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:05:34 PM: WShatner: mentions 62% 9:05:39 PM: beeman: Hello Robert B. where are you at tonight? 9:05:50 PM: RobertB: Hi, Bryan. 9:05:56 PM: smj: ahh .. that seems powerful fun bill 9:05:57 PM: WShatner: yo robert what's up 9:05:59 PM: BryanP: yay.. back.. 9:06:02 PM: RobertB: I'm back at home in Visalia, the other Robert. 9:06:07 PM: WShatner: it does it does 9:06:44 PM: *** Signoff: kthorn (Quit: Lost terminal) 9:06:52 PM: smj: brb 9:07:22 PM: WShatner: Where is Visalia? 9:08:06 PM: WShatner: California? 9:08:11 PM: beeman: Robert are you on the 128d tonight? 9:08:24 PM: RobertB: Not right now. 9:08:40 PM: Stephan: Hey Snog, Robert, and everyone else :) 9:08:46 PM: *** Signoff: Bryan (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 9:08:50 PM: RobertB: Hi, Stephan. 9:09:47 PM: WShatner: Hi Stephan 9:10:24 PM: al: RobertB did you get my email? 9:10:36 PM: RobertB: No, Al. 9:10:59 PM: RobertB: I will give you my other e-mail in private. 9:11:07 PM: *** Oldbit (Oldbit@dialup-4.252.229.236.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:11:20 PM: RobertB: Hi, Jeff. 9:11:20 PM: WShatner: welcome oldbit 9:11:24 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Oldbit 9:11:39 PM: Oldbit: Hi gents 9:11:44 PM: Dopple: I better keep this window in the foreground more often. 9:11:50 PM: al: Oldbit howdy 9:11:52 PM: beeman: hi Jeff 9:11:52 PM: *** Signoff: smj (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 9:12:00 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} Hi Jeff 9:12:06 PM: Oldbit: Hi al, beeman, shadow 9:12:14 PM: *** JavaUser (~Javauser@207.134.83.61) has joined channel #c64friends 9:12:18 PM: Stephan: Hey Oldbit 9:12:23 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy JavaUser 9:12:49 PM: Oldbit: Anything interesting going on tonight? 9:12:58 PM: RobertB: Not yet. 9:13:04 PM: Snogpitch: Just got here a few minutes ago myself :) 9:13:20 PM: WShatner: getting quite busy, I thought I would visit since it's been some time 9:13:26 PM: *** JavaUser is now known as a7guy 9:13:37 PM: a7guy: 'ello all 9:13:42 PM: WShatner: is this normal time or early? 9:13:47 PM: Oldbit: Shatner huh.. just finished watching STIV 9:13:52 PM: RobertB: Hi, a7. 9:14:06 PM: WShatner: did you like? 9:14:15 PM: Oldbit: OF course.. 9:14:17 PM: Oldbit: :) 9:14:19 PM: WShatner: :-) 9:14:29 PM: WShatner: good work 9:14:52 PM: golan: Evening, Jeff. 9:14:56 PM: BryanP: mmm colorful metaphors.. 9:15:00 PM: WShatner: we have daylight saving so my times are a bit out of whack 9:15:03 PM: Oldbit: Hiya golan 9:15:16 PM: Oldbit: double dumb 000 on you... :) 9:15:47 PM: WShatner: Hi Golan 9:15:49 PM: Dopple got his copy of On The Edge :) 9:15:51 PM: Oldbit: Working on something interesting over here 9:16:02 PM: WShatner: wha is it? 9:16:33 PM: WShatner: i'm still waiting for an AU distributor for On the Edge 9:16:49 PM: Oldbit: Been playing with Propeller, it has things like vga and sound output. I'm creating a userport address bus for it so I can slave it to the 64. 9:16:53 PM: Dopple: Amazon has it. 9:17:00 PM: WShatner: excellent 9:17:09 PM: WShatner: yeah, but the price... 9:17:18 PM: Oldbit: Cheap 9:17:22 PM: WShatner: postage! 9:17:24 PM: Dopple: My dad was ordering something else from there, and needed to get something else to get free shipping :) 9:17:53 PM: WShatner: even overseas? 9:18:44 PM: Oldbit: When I'm finished you should only need a propeller chip, a opto isolator and a few resistors.. 9:18:48 PM: Dopple: shrug... 9:19:10 PM: WShatner: I'll check it out 9:20:11 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} What does it mean, Propeller? 9:20:33 PM: WShatner: flying c64? 9:20:36 PM: Oldbit: The way I see it, the propeller chip is the ulimate C64 upgrade, just need give it some "glue" so to speak. 9:20:39 PM: Snogpitch: I'm visualizing a Beanie :) 9:20:47 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} I was too :) 9:21:07 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} with a chip in it? hmmm... 9:21:13 PM: Oldbit: http://jledger.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=microhacking&action=display&thread=1172962323 9:21:47 PM: Oldbit: http://www.parallax.com/propeller/index.asp 9:21:55 PM: al: http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/mkt/NewT063/parallax/prop.html 9:22:32 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} See, it is a beanie! 9:22:35 PM: Oldbit: heh 9:24:11 PM: al: good fun, OldBit 9:24:15 PM: Oldbit cleans out an irc room.. 9:24:51 PM: WShatner: awesome 9:25:08 PM: RobertB: Will you demo it at the C=4 Expo? 9:25:12 PM: al: look at the proto board; http://www.parallax.com/images/prod_jpg/32212.jpg 9:25:21 PM: Oldbit: Like I said, the ultimate C64 upgrade.. That is once I finish the userport connection to the 64. 9:26:06 PM: *** James_M (~james@ppp-68-251-68-72.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:26:11 PM: James_M: Hello 9:26:16 PM: Oldbit: Robert: I'm aiming to have at least the VGA plot control working from the 64 by expo time. 9:26:30 PM: al: howdy James 9:26:50 PM: RobertB: Hi, James. 9:27:29 PM: Oldbit waits for more electronics parts to arrive.. 9:27:33 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} I still don't quite understand what it's supposed to do... :( 9:27:56 PM: al: take up massive amounts of one's time ;) 9:28:11 PM: Oldbit: It's a single processor microcontroller, programmable, with VGA output, sound, ps2, and 32 I/O pins 9:28:36 PM: WShatner: so basically you can program it to control lots of stuff 9:28:50 PM: Oldbit: yes with very few other required parts. 9:29:18 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} and what kind of unholy alliance will it form with a C=? 9:29:19 PM: WShatner: what sort of load can the IO pins handle? 9:29:38 PM: al: The Propeller is a multi-processing chip with eight 32-bit processors (cogs) and a shared memory which includes 32KB of RAM and 32KB of ROM with a font, math tables, and Spin interpreter. 9:30:06 PM: WShatner: is the SPIN interpreter anything like BASIC? 9:30:13 PM: Oldbit: Shat: not much, light loads, (LED,etc) 9:30:25 PM: Oldbit: Shat: like basic,C, and pascal 9:31:13 PM: Oldbit: Shadow: first VGA output, then additional sound 9:31:27 PM: WShatner: Do you need to buffer the pins to the user port? 9:31:51 PM: al: http://www.parallax.com/detail.asp?product_id=P8X32A-D40 9:31:52 PM: Oldbit: Shat: shouldn't.. still working on that.. It is much faster than the 64 9:32:24 PM: WShatner: i looked at the PICAXE one, did you look at that? Prop sounds much better 9:32:53 PM: Oldbit: I demo'd the use of PICAXE with the 64 last year, neat chip, but a baby compared. 9:33:11 PM: Oldbit: brb 9:33:28 PM: Maurice: MR here. 9:33:37 PM: WShatner: yeah, Propellor looks like a much more serious development tool 9:33:40 PM: al: Assembly Code Examples for the Beginner 9:33:42 PM: al: http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&m=141093 9:33:53 PM: *** smj (~smj@ol.freeshell.ORG) has joined channel #c64friends 9:33:59 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy smj 9:34:00 PM: al: Hey MR 9:34:06 PM: smj: hi eggsnog 9:34:25 PM: Maurice: hey al, wanna buy something? 9:34:45 PM: WShatner: oic, i would prefer to use higher level languages though 9:34:46 PM: smj: WOW! its maurice! 9:34:54 PM: al: MR what'ja got? 9:34:56 PM: WShatner: BASIC or PASCAL 9:34:56 PM: RobertB: Hi, Steve. 9:35:03 PM: smj: Hi Bobert. 9:35:13 PM: WShatner: Delivery sometime in the next decade 9:35:16 PM: Maurice: swiftlinks and superCPUs 9:35:27 PM: Dopple feels a tug on his leg. 9:35:28 PM: smj: Maurice, I'll send you $1550 for a scpu 9:35:33 PM: al wants a SCPU 9:35:35 PM: Maurice: done. 9:35:43 PM: Maurice: ships next decade. 9:35:43 PM: WShatner: nooooooo 9:35:43 PM: smj: wait.. I'll pay you $25k for CMD. 9:35:53 PM: smj: thats too soon. 9:35:54 PM: WShatner: ha ha 9:35:56 PM: Dopple feels a large yank on his leg. 9:36:01 PM: Maurice: same deal. money up front. 9:36:04 PM: smj: I need it after I die. 9:36:04 PM: a7guy: Next decade is only three years away. Scary huh? 9:36:22 PM: Maurice: oops. talk to my lawyer a7 9:36:23 PM: *** MikeC (~MikeC@d38-164-106.home1.cgocable.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:36:29 PM: WShatner: decade from now is 2017 9:36:31 PM: RobertB: Hi, MikeC. 9:36:36 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy MikeC 9:36:43 PM: MikeC: Hi everyone 9:36:46 PM: a7guy: Happy St Patricks Day!!!! 9:36:48 PM: WShatner: hey mikec 9:36:51 PM: a7guy: YAY!!! 9:36:53 PM: Oldbit: . 9:37:03 PM: WShatner: ok you too 9:37:24 PM: RobertB: Happy St. Patty's Day! 9:37:24 PM: smj: Bobert .. do you drink alcohol? 9:37:31 PM: Maurice: smj, it'll be there. 9:37:36 PM: Maurice: I assure you. 9:37:37 PM: smj: cool maurice. 9:37:37 PM: WShatner: yes he drinks wine 9:37:38 PM: RobertB: Only sweet wine, Steve. 9:37:45 PM: smj: sweet .. sweet wine 9:37:51 PM: Oldbit: iyya.. shouda painted the 64 green for the occasion! 9:37:52 PM: WShatner: moscato 9:37:57 PM: al: SPIN CODE EXAMPLES FOR THE BEGINNER 9:37:59 PM: al: http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&m=113109 9:37:59 PM: smj: how do you arrange so much holiday time? 9:38:08 PM: smj: you're a school teacher right? 9:38:13 PM: RobertB: Yes. 9:38:16 PM: MikeC: RobertB: ever had ice wine? 9:38:24 PM: RobertB: No, MikeC. 9:38:36 PM: smj: this shoju is nice 9:38:41 PM: WShatner: that is easy code 9:38:42 PM: smj: I feel obliterated. 9:38:52 PM: Stephan: Man I wish there was a go-to-sleep pill for kids! lol 9:38:55 PM: smj: I feel like the end boss and I just got my arsed kciked 9:38:57 PM: MikeC: RobertB: wow...you're missing out. Nice, sweet. 9:39:01 PM: Oldbit: Stephan: chewable too! 9:39:17 PM: Maurice: Stephen, there is. 9:39:18 PM: beeman: Hey Robert I see a winer die in your town 97 9:39:29 PM: Maurice: Same ones as for the adults. 9:39:31 PM: smj: bobert, you know that asteria has had a hwy slide away due to rain? 9:39:48 PM: RobertB: Moscato, madera, port, sherry, asti spumante. Those are sweet. 9:39:54 PM: WShatner: isn't that where rick lives? 9:39:56 PM: golan: Hey Mike. 9:40:03 PM: MikeC: Golan! 9:40:06 PM: WShatner: spewmanti? 9:40:08 PM: golan: I'm still behind on correspondence (sorry). 9:40:10 PM: smj: any port is nice.. except a rancid vinegary port. 9:40:18 PM: RobertB: Oh, a highway mudslide. 9:40:26 PM: smj: If the rain keep sup I won't drive the delorean there. 9:40:26 PM: MikeC: Golan: Hey, no prob. 9:40:37 PM: al: any port in a storm... 9:40:38 PM: RobertB: Aw, too bad. 9:40:42 PM: smj: yeah. 9:40:54 PM: smj: plus I owe you money 9:41:01 PM: smj: and I have to haul back stuff I owe you money for 9:41:07 PM: RobertB: It would have been cool to take a photo of your car with C= stuff in it. 9:41:11 PM: Maurice: smj, i happen to own the rights to the CMD delorean. 9:41:14 PM: RobertB: Money? 9:41:24 PM: smj: I will try .. 9:41:29 PM: smj: yes... gas money 9:41:37 PM: WShatner: lol 9:41:39 PM: WShatner: :-) 9:41:40 PM: smj: and red punch+pie money 9:41:41 PM: RobertB: Oh, that. 9:41:52 PM: Maurice: wanna buy one? 9:41:57 PM: WShatner: maurice where is my jiffydos? 9:41:59 PM: RobertB: Nah, those desserts were on the house. 9:42:03 PM: smj: Maurice, where is my SuperCPU? 9:42:11 PM: Maurice: stop bothering me. 9:42:18 PM: Maurice: it's in the mail. 9:42:19 PM: a7guy: How do we know this is the real Maurice? 9:42:20 PM: smj: thanks 9:42:29 PM: smj: can't you tell from his responses? 9:42:33 PM: smj: he's authentic. 9:42:34 PM: WShatner: I payed extra for fast shipping 9:42:39 PM: Maurice: a7 - you've never recieved anything from me. 9:42:39 PM: smj: I heard Commodore was going to hire him. 9:42:43 PM: WShatner: 6 years ago! 9:42:53 PM: al: a7 look at his IP 9:43:01 PM: smj: basically his job would be to afix the C= label on the repackaged xbox and dell computers they'll be selling. 9:43:04 PM: Maurice: i moved. 9:43:07 PM: MikeC: Golan: Have you ever tried Bootcamp on the Mac? I decided to load up XP on the wife's iMac just for kicks. Works great. 9:43:35 PM: Snogpitch: MikeC, it'll work ok until you try to use the iMac camera 9:43:44 PM: WShatner: you'll never go back now 9:43:46 PM: smj: running XP on a mac is like .... maurice putting a C= label on a Dell computer repackaged for sale by Commodore Computers, Inc. 9:43:48 PM: golan: I tried it but I had no use for it so I went back to Parallels. 9:44:19 PM: *** masterhit (~andreas@much-magic.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de) has joined channel #c64friends 9:44:19 PM: *** Mode change "+v masterhit" on #c64friends by ChanServ 9:44:22 PM: Maurice: smj - those are patented procedures. 9:44:23 PM: MikeC: Snog: Hmm...no big deal. I suspect the iMac will spend 99.9% of its life in OS X. 9:44:27 PM: smj: tonight's secret ingredient = JAPANESE CURRY 9:44:29 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy masterhit 9:44:29 PM: RobertB: Hi, Andreas. 9:44:29 PM: al: howdy MH 9:44:33 PM: smj: oh boy oh boy.. its almost ready 9:44:43 PM: MikeC: Golan: Hmmm...I'd like to try Parallels one day. 9:44:46 PM: RobertB: Too hot for me, Steve. 9:44:52 PM: smj: too hot? 9:44:58 PM: WShatner: i mastered eating with chopsticks last night 9:44:59 PM: smj: I thought you'd be the spicemeister 9:45:14 PM: Dopple: WShatner, congrats. You'll get better with time, too :) 9:45:16 PM: WShatner: did someone say meister? 9:45:24 PM: Dopple: WShatner, and i *almost* misread that, too 9:45:31 PM: WShatner: thanks, it was the first time 9:45:32 PM: Maurice: i patented that! 9:45:37 PM: BryanP: Meister Skitz 9:45:43 PM: WShatner: :-) 9:45:48 PM: smj: k-rad king of spice! 9:45:57 PM: golan: There seems to be an unusually high amount of idiocy floating about the community lately. 9:46:00 PM: Dopple: I just had chineefoo tonite, too 9:46:01 PM: Maurice: master skid 9:46:03 PM: WShatner: Maurice owns the patent for chopsticks? 9:46:17 PM: WShatner: where? 9:46:19 PM: Maurice: no - for meister 9:46:22 PM: a7guy: Maurice, do you want to distribute my purple RGBI to VGA box? 9:46:26 PM: WShatner: oic 9:46:40 PM: Maurice: sure. sign over the patent. 9:46:41 PM: WShatner: i think I might actually... ducks 9:47:02 PM: Oldbit grabs his soldering iron... 9:47:07 PM: WShatner: distribute ha 9:47:14 PM: *** PJimAFK is now known as PhotoJim 9:47:15 PM: PhotoJim: Hi all. 9:47:21 PM: Oldbit: Hi Jim 9:47:25 PM: WShatner: black hole distribution Inc. 9:47:32 PM: bogax: a7guy what was the deal with the clock? 9:47:33 PM: smj: don't drink and usenet! 9:47:41 PM: smj: xtian will get you .. a lott! 9:48:01 PM: WShatner: money gets sucked in and nothing comes out 9:48:07 PM: smj: you know .. I'm just super lucky. 9:48:12 PM: WShatner: clock? 9:48:15 PM: Maurice: why? 9:48:22 PM: MikeC: Black Hole distribution? Didn't they use to sell original NeXT hardware? 9:48:22 PM: smj: my experience with Maurice was so smooth .. it was like we were buddies or something 9:48:25 PM: RobertB: Hi, PhotoJim. 9:48:37 PM: smj: I gave him money, he gave me a two rom set of jiffy dos for an SX64. 9:48:39 PM: Maurice: we are. 9:48:45 PM: WShatner: ha ha good humour 9:48:48 PM: smj: super fast service, communication.. Maurice Randall is great. 9:48:53 PM: Maurice: we're all friends. 9:49:00 PM: smj: But then I hear all off these bad stories about him. 9:49:04 PM: WShatner: is this a parallel universe? 9:49:10 PM: smj: I'm sorry for you, but he never ripped me off. 9:49:18 PM: smj: I wonder sometimes. 9:49:23 PM: Maurice: I never ripped me off either. 9:49:40 PM: Maurice: really - maurice never ripped me off. 9:49:40 PM: WShatner: no, you profit from your actions 9:49:44 PM: smj: I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and roll over to turn on my SX64 just to see it say JiffyDOS 9:49:46 PM: golan: One thing that sucks about the CMD situation is that Maurice Randall is a nice guy. It really complicates the whole being pissed off thing. His actions, or lack of them, suck but he isn't evil. 9:49:49 PM: smj: then I can go back to sleep. 9:49:52 PM: Oldbit: I got body slammed in csc for just having some information about CMDRKEY in my TelBBS Guide.. Geesh.. 9:50:02 PM: smj: thats right golan 9:50:23 PM: smj: hopefully someome will buy him out of his misery 9:50:28 PM: smj: and resolve the backlog 9:50:28 PM: Pelleas: he won't sell 9:50:31 PM: Maurice: smj - you saw me smiling back at you, right? 9:50:31 PM: WShatner: just a crook 9:50:32 PM: smj: I know I know.. 9:50:37 PM: smj: pelleas I got my chips 9:50:40 PM: RobertB: Yeah, you didn't deserve that, Jeff. 9:50:42 PM: golan: I think that was because it was seen as directing people to a business that would, in all likelihood, resultin their disappointment and ulimately, they wouldn't be able to get online. :( 9:50:43 PM: Pelleas: good deal man 9:50:43 PM: Maurice: I was there. 9:50:46 PM: smj: Yea murice, ur an angel 9:50:48 PM: Maurice: in your sx 9:50:49 PM: smj: an angle 9:50:52 PM: smj: yeah 9:50:54 PM: smj: it was u 9:50:54 PM: Maurice: looking back at you. 9:51:01 PM: smj: like CATS from ZEROWING 9:51:02 PM: Maurice: watching 9:51:03 PM: Oldbit likes his Jiffydos on his sx 9:51:09 PM: smj: HA HA HA HA. How are you gentlemen? 9:51:13 PM: Pelleas: What's up Jeff? 9:51:16 PM: Maurice: watching u too obc. 9:51:16 PM: smj: All your CMD belong to us. 9:51:31 PM: smj: Thanks fake MR 9:51:33 PM: WShatner: Maybe someone should set up a business selling burnt Jiffies 9:51:40 PM: smj: sure.. 9:51:44 PM: smj: pelleas doe sit 9:51:46 PM: *** LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) has joined channel #c64friends 9:51:50 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy LordRonin 9:51:50 PM: Oldbit: LR! 9:51:52 PM: MikeC: Hi LR 9:51:52 PM: RobertB: Hi, 9:51:53 PM: a7guy: bogax: I need to regenerate the 16MHz clock the 128's VDC uses. 9:51:55 PM: smj: seriously I don't think maurice will sue. 9:51:56 PM: RobertB: Hi, 9:51:57 PM: WShatner: how does that sit legally 9:52:00 PM: RobertB: Dave M. 9:52:04 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Oldbit 9:52:09 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Snogpitch 9:52:11 PM: WShatner: he has no time or money I guess 9:52:16 PM: LordRonin: Hoi Robert 9:52:17 PM: Pelleas: Hey LR, how you been? 9:52:18 PM: smj: yeah.. 9:52:23 PM: bogax: [16:38] It's a real funny little project, no one seems to know exactly what to do about the clock, and I work with people who have PhDs in EE 9:52:23 PM: bogax: [16:38] It's a real funny little project, no one seems to know exactly what to do about the clock, and I work with people who have PhDs in EE 9:52:23 PM: bogax: [16:38] It's a real funny little project, no one seems to know exactly what to do about the clock, and I work with people who have PhDs in EE 9:52:23 PM: bogax: [16:38] It's a real funny little project, no one seems to know exactly what to do about the clock, and I work with people who have PhDs in EE 9:52:23 PM: bogax: [16:38] It's a real funny little project, no one seems to know exactly what to do about the clock, and I work with people who have PhDs in EE 9:52:24 PM: bogax: what's wrong with a PLL? 9:52:26 PM: a7guy: The chip I chose seems to have too much jitter. My scope blew a diode during a measurement. 9:52:26 PM: smj: oh well.. GOHAN time.. 9:52:28 PM: Oldbit: OK Lord Ronion's about.. no more talk about CMD.. 9:52:30 PM: bogax: ack 9:52:36 PM: al: all your CMD _are_ belong to us 9:52:37 PM: smj: I'll be BACH after dinner 9:52:42 PM: LordRonin: hoi Pelleas: Trying to get the BBS back up again. 9:52:47 PM: smj: yeah.. sorry.. 9:52:52 PM: bogax: sorry 'bout that .. 9:52:57 PM: smj: I didn't have enough sake to scpell it right 9:53:08 PM: golan: For the record, I've been able to use VICE running on OS X to 1) connect to telnet boards with native 64 terminal software, 2) connect to telnet boards with GuruTerm (that was fun) and 3) connect to dialup bulletin boards by connecting VICE to a hardware modem. It all worked without any hacking. 9:53:09 PM: smj: all your CMDRKEY.COM are belong to us 9:53:10 PM: a7guy: Ah, that's the problem with calculating the divider on the fly. I work with people who work with high speed CRUs, not video stuff. 9:53:11 PM: Pelleas: LR What's wrong with it? 9:53:12 PM: WShatner: I want to clone CMD products and sell them' 9:53:13 PM: smj: you are on your way to destruction 9:53:17 PM: smj: ha ha ha ha 9:53:19 PM: smj: what you say? 9:53:21 PM: LordRonin: snj: don't worry I'm so late tonight didn't have time to socre up a beer. 9:53:32 PM: smj: you have no change to survive make your time 9:53:36 PM: smj: something like that 9:53:39 PM: Oldbit: golan: nice.. using linux version? 9:53:54 PM: smj: New from Commodore Computers, Inc. Its the Apple iPOD 9:54:00 PM: smj: bbl 9:54:04 PM: Oldbit barfs 9:54:12 PM: golan: Lets call it the X11 version as it doesn't matter if you're using Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Darwin etc. etc. -- short answer: yes. 9:54:19 PM: a7guy: There seems to be a fundamental problem with getting a genlock to work when the hsync can change on the fly. 9:54:21 PM: Oldbit: :) 9:54:34 PM: WShatner: yes fundamental indeed 9:54:36 PM: LordRonin: Pellas: Oh right forgot that you weren't getting the newlsetter any more and it has a bbe a while. HD locked up, Maurice has had it for over a year to grab the data. New mech and starting fromscratch as tired of waiting for all of the data to be returned. 9:54:39 PM: a7guy: I'm not giving up though. So to sum up: 3 problems with my project. 9:54:39 PM: golan: I am working on a mini-tutorial of my own with screenshots which I'll post to the forums for others. Should be done tomorrow. 9:54:46 PM: Oldbit: Stupid Commodore.. At least the internet isn't working for them. Every search just brings up "our" stuff.. :) 9:54:49 PM: Maurice: clock, it's already happening. jim brain will be sued presently. 9:54:57 PM: a7guy: 1) AL250 LUTs not working, colors always purple! 9:55:53 PM: LordRonin: OK the dum ork question for the night. Who knows anything about using the lexmark SC1275 on the Post Print 3.8 system? I won that one on ebay. 9:55:54 PM: Snogpitch: lately I've had problems with vice and connecting to Qlink :/ 9:56:06 PM: Maurice: lr, it'll be there soon. 9:56:16 PM: Oldbit: 9:56:17 PM: *** WShatner1 (~Javauser@ppp148-189.lns1.per1.internode.on.net) has joined channel #c64friends 9:56:40 PM: Maurice: golan, make sure you reference my name in your tutorial. 9:56:48 PM: WShatner1: what happened 9:56:51 PM: *** JavaUser (~Javauser@207.134.83.61) has joined channel #c64friends 9:56:53 PM: Oldbit: golan: cool.. looking forward to it! 9:57:07 PM: bogax: a7guy hsync comes from the c128? 9:57:20 PM: Oldbit swats Maurice with a large trout 9:57:27 PM: LordRonin: Maurice: twill be nice to se it as I can't get past some error I am doing with the setup. Besides there is the complete M2K BBS, Pink Panther BBS and the MHI crew cracks on that HD data. 9:57:29 PM: JavaUser: *a7guy is here*... something just reset...... 9:57:30 PM: Maurice: :> 9:57:38 PM: *** JavaUser is now known as a7guyVER2 9:57:40 PM: bogax: a7guy what does it change, just it's position? 9:57:43 PM: WShatner1: yep 9:57:50 PM: a7guyVER2: good grief this is flaky tonight 9:58:10 PM: Oldbit: must be the green ale... 9:58:10 PM: WShatner1: what progs are people using? 9:58:12 PM: Maurice: lr, when do you need it? 9:58:29 PM: a7guyVER2: bogax: Well if the clock I make is not "clean", the AL250 samples the incoming RGBI at the wrong time. 9:58:52 PM: a7guyVER2: It could be a dirty power supply on the AL250 too. Like I was saying, my scope blew a diode. 9:58:59 PM: *** Signoff: WShatner (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 9:59:10 PM: a7guyVER2: Fixing it is a big deal. I've been working too much lately too. 9:59:16 PM: WShatner1: i've just signed off lol 9:59:23 PM: Stephan: Darn, found a site with season 1 & 2 of robot chicken... 9:59:27 PM: LordRonin: Maurice: any time that the data has been successfully saved and transfered to the new one. Be a breeze for me to insttall it in the controller. Now to figure out why the zip drive thing doesn't work with a passive terminated cable. 9:59:30 PM: *** WShatner1 is now known as WShatner 9:59:31 PM: *** Signoff: a7guy (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 9:59:38 PM: *** a7guyVER2 is now known as a7guy 9:59:45 PM: WShatner: that was odd 9:59:52 PM: *** Oldbit is now known as oldbit 9:59:53 PM: BryanP: Hello LordRonin! 10:00:00 PM: Maurice: lr, it'll be there tomorrow. 10:00:07 PM: LordRonin: a7guy: What you work to much? Trade you, haven't had a day off in over 2 years. 10:00:22 PM: bogax: a7guy the clocks not locked to the hsync? 10:00:23 PM: LordRonin: Hoi BryanP. Newsletters went out on Tuesday, both of them. 10:00:36 PM: Dopple: ok, what'd i miss? 10:00:37 PM: WShatner: shouldn't maurice be busy shipping stuff 10:00:44 PM: al: yep 10:00:52 PM: a7guy: bogax: Oh sure but the VCO is free running for 1016 cycles right? Any noise on the supply is modulated onto the clock. 10:01:09 PM: LordRonin: Maurice: Sounds good to me. As I am also geting a linux box. As son as ?jim finishes the prg. Then I'll be able to do telnet and direct dial with the BBS. 10:01:19 PM: a7guy: Look at it this way. The VCO can output 10MHz to 75MHz with a 0-5V signal. 10:01:25 PM: LordRonin: frell to sober tonight to type clearly. 10:01:40 PM: Maurice: lr, shipping next march. 10:01:54 PM: BryanP: LordRonin> Hopefully they won't come in a USPS envelope.. ;) 10:02:00 PM: oldbit blinks 10:02:13 PM: *** Rayzor has left channel #c64friends 10:02:14 PM: Maurice: yeah, not this march... 10:02:19 PM: Maurice: NEXT march. 10:02:22 PM: LordRonin: Maurice: sah tis been but only 16 months already. 10:02:25 PM: WShatner: doubt that too 10:02:37 PM: Maurice: lr, that's okay. 10:02:50 PM: LordRonin: BryanP: In a big manilla envelope with a couple of stamps and my poor handwriting. 10:03:08 PM: a7guy: So 65MHz/5V (roughly). 1V = 13MHz change. So 1mV of noise (*very* clean for the average digital power supply) still means residual FM of 13KHz. 10:03:32 PM: a7guy: I don't know the shape of the enveloppe of this jitter but I can assume it's Gaussian. 10:04:01 PM: Maurice: i need you guys to take down that free jiffy dos binary on emule. 10:04:01 PM: a7guy: That's the problem I think. Before my scope blew I saw quite a lot of jitter. 10:04:02 PM: bogax: a7guy filter the noise and don't let the vco run free? 10:04:06 PM: WShatner: wasn't the tick signal from PSU used to sync signals on Amiga 10:04:13 PM: WShatner: can't you do that? 10:04:20 PM: bogax: sounds like you need a seperate supply 10:04:30 PM: a7guy: bogax: But that's the design of the chip. I don't have access to any of the inner workings. 10:04:52 PM: bogax: how fast does the capture have to be? 10:04:55 PM: Maurice: a7, i'll sell you achip. 10:04:57 PM: bogax: oh 10:05:29 PM: bogax: al250 is the chip 10:05:32 PM: bogax: ? 10:05:40 PM: a7guy: I've already got a gigantic RLC filter just for the genlock chip. Last time I measured I had 2mV p-p on its DC supply. 10:05:45 PM: oldbit: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3641127/JiffyDos_64rom 10:05:56 PM: oldbit: ;) 10:06:01 PM: a7guy: AL250 is the scan converter, AV9173 is the genlock chip. 10:06:12 PM: WShatner: cool thanks oldbit 10:06:19 PM: Maurice: oldbit, you and brain are on my To SUE list presently. 10:06:26 PM: a7guy: Capture can be quite slow. I can keep the system in reset as long as I like. 10:06:27 PM: WShatner: yeah right 10:06:40 PM: WShatner: better add me too 10:07:42 PM: oldbit wondering how many attempted to click... heh.. 10:07:55 PM: WShatner: :-) 10:07:58 PM: LordRonin: Next weird dum ork question. What can I do with this upcoiming linux box and the sacred C=? 10:08:03 PM: beeman: Good night ALL 10:08:10 PM: *** Signoff: beeman (Quit: Leaving) 10:08:12 PM: Maurice: Panel BUilder ? 10:08:12 PM: LordRonin: BCNU Beeman 10:08:29 PM: *** JavaUser (~Javauser@207.134.83.61) has joined channel #c64friends 10:08:34 PM: WShatner: which ROM chip does Jiffydos use? 10:08:50 PM: *** JavaUser is now known as a7guy_UPS 10:08:52 PM: oldbit: LR, has Jim sent out the box yet? 10:08:52 PM: Maurice: all of them 10:09:02 PM: Dopple: Ok, who did I get this RGBI to VGA converter from?!?!? 10:09:04 PM: a7guy_UPS: Hey what is the deal tonight with the resets???? 10:09:27 PM: Dopple: Damn, I should get this thing made, too... 10:09:30 PM: LordRonin: oldbit: nope not a word from him in months. Destined is scoring me up the linux bax ewith KB and monitor. Be here at MossyCon3 10:09:30 PM: Maurice: except basic 10:09:33 PM: *** a7guy has been kicked off channel #c64friends by al (a7guy) 10:09:45 PM: Dopple: How many people would really want one of these so they can use their 128 on a VGA monitor in 80 column mode :) 10:09:50 PM: oldbit: LR, he's been active on the forums.. He was MIA for a while... 10:09:52 PM: *** Signoff: RobertB (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 10:09:58 PM: WShatner: which ROM is suitable for burning JiffyDOS? 10:10:07 PM: a7guy_UPS: Maybe it's only me? 10:10:13 PM: a7guy_UPS: oh boy. 10:10:16 PM: WShatner: no, me too 10:10:27 PM: LordRonin: Oldbit: time is not in great quantiy for me right now. Not on any forums anymore like c.s.c. 10:10:28 PM: Maurice: i do. 10:10:32 PM: a7guy_UPS: bogax: So I made a few design decisions that I qualify as mistakes... 10:10:41 PM: BryanP: LordRonin> yay!.. I just went out to check my mail and it was there! :) 10:10:52 PM: Snogpitch: Might be just the server the javachat is connecting to... 10:11:08 PM: WShatner: newnet 10:11:11 PM: a7guy_UPS: The project kind of works, that's the worst. Nothing blindingly obviously wrong. 10:11:12 PM: LordRonin: Bummer, I had thought the annocement that it was posted had scared you away. I really must work harder on that ;-? 10:11:24 PM: LordRonin: OK is it torn to shreds this time around? 10:11:40 PM: a7guy_UPS: Anyway, I'm buying a AL250 eval board when the rep calls me. 10:11:58 PM: WShatner: are they expensive? 10:12:03 PM: LordRonin: BryanP: Remember that reding the demented ones writings can be hazzsardess to your mental health. 10:12:05 PM: a7guy_UPS: bogax: Oh and another thing, the AL250 is gonna be obs-nla soon too. 10:12:15 PM: Maurice: try the MR250. coming soon. 10:12:40 PM: a7guy_UPS: Replaced by AL260. It's an unfriendly package for the hobbyist if I release it as a kit. 10:12:46 PM: BryanP: LordRonin> no.. just two newsletters in there :) 10:12:56 PM: *** RobertB (~Javauser@66-81-137-87.nocal.dialup.o1.com) has joined channel #c64friends 10:12:57 PM: *** Mode change "+o RobertB" on #c64friends by ChanServ 10:12:59 PM: a7guy_UPS: The MR250. Will it do the dishes too? 10:13:01 PM: oldbit: re Robert 10:13:03 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy RobertB 10:13:05 PM: WShatner: ok, been fun cya guys 10:13:11 PM: RobertB: Hi, again. 10:13:16 PM: al: wb 10:13:23 PM: golan: PET fantatics go here: http://www.commodorepet.org/ 10:13:28 PM: RobertB: Thanks, Al. 10:13:32 PM: BryanP: dementia is good for the soul.. ;) 10:13:38 PM: *** Signoff: WShatner (Quit: Leaving) 10:13:44 PM: Pelleas: mmmm Catweasel MK4 arrived today :) 10:13:54 PM: LordRonin: BryanP: well the P.O. failed to stop that one getting through. Who knows what they think of C= information going through the mail theses days. Has to be subversive. 10:13:54 PM: BryanP is trying to get one of his 2031's working.. 10:13:56 PM: oldbit turns green 10:14:15 PM: a7guy_UPS: 2031? I'm jealous! 10:15:38 PM: Snogpitch: easily jealous? 10:18:54 PM: Snogpitch: I don't own a 2031.... 10:25:35 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy again folks 10:25:40 PM: al: wb 10:25:55 PM: RobertB: Hi, Snog. 10:26:58 PM: Snogpitch: hmmm 10:27:07 PM: RobertB: Hi, Snog. 10:27:36 PM: Olderbit: re: snog 10:27:48 PM: Snogpitch: well, I stayed on longer this time :) 10:27:56 PM: al: keep it up 10:28:00 PM: al: ;) 10:28:24 PM: al: Snog did you get this addy? http://gallery.gwizcomputers.com/comm/index.html 10:28:36 PM: Snogpitch: no didn't see it 10:28:40 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} Hmmm, I'm on a 64C and my connection's been rock solid :) 10:28:53 PM: smj: I wonder if I'll ever find a 1510 10:28:55 PM: Snogpitch: last comment I saw was being jealous about a 2031.... 10:29:24 PM: al: halfway down the page, 128D w/ 1563 3.5 drive 10:30:07 PM: Snogpitch: we were talking about that last week, I seem to remember 10:30:23 PM: al: pics are up, mostly 10:31:36 PM: smj: WHOO HOOO!!!!!! 10:32:58 PM: RobertB: So, it's not the fabled 1591 but a 1563. 10:33:07 PM: golan: http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22750&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= 10:33:11 PM: golan: Thoughts? 10:33:18 PM: smj: I can't think of anything 10:33:46 PM: al: be glad it not you ;) 10:33:58 PM: smj: the pizza thread? 10:34:23 PM: smj: huh? 10:34:36 PM: smj: only feeemales play Super Mario galaxy? its not even released yet 10:34:43 PM: al: my thoughts are: be glad you have all your marbles 10:34:46 PM: smj: oh .. I get it. 10:34:51 PM: smj: PS vs wii 10:35:08 PM: BryanP: errgh.. why is was it posted on Homestead *and* acug0447?! :( 10:35:21 PM: smj: dood, I know gurls who can program assembly circles around your scrot. 10:35:24 PM: Snogpitch: lots of spaghetti on that 128 board.... 10:35:29 PM: golan: I think he's on the verge of a psychotic break. (I'm not joking around.) 10:36:09 PM: smj: I'd spill stuff on everything 10:36:35 PM: golan: He was turned down in his attempt to become cannon fodder and now he's unravelling. The level of detail and the mixed in bits about army are strong indicators. 10:37:05 PM: smj: Did you see one of this weeks 'brave boys' who got killed in Iraq this week? 10:37:15 PM: golan: He needs help and soon. (Again, no joke.) 10:37:21 PM: smj: a report on CNN was talking about how much he liked playing bass in his punk band. 10:37:22 PM: golan: No. 10:37:23 PM: Maurice: meets... hooters. 10:37:30 PM: smj: and apparently he was into Dead kennedys 10:37:43 PM: smj: a bit funny .. a DK fan in the volunteer army 10:38:00 PM: smj: I suppose there are loads of them "I don't listen to the words, I just like the sound of them" 10:38:07 PM: Maurice: smj - whats her #? 10:38:17 PM: smj: 1-800-castrate-maurice 10:38:23 PM: al: lol 10:38:29 PM: smj: err.. 1900 10:38:33 PM: smj: sorry. 10:38:37 PM: smj: it really is not toll free 10:38:40 PM: al: 976 10:38:53 PM: smj: its like that 1-800 sex line you call that tells you to hang up and call 1-900 10:38:59 PM: golan: Is there much traffic on the ACUG list? (Not counting Paul's post.) 10:39:13 PM: MikeC: Golan: Let me guess...you like Paul's idea and what to do the same thing in Toronto. ;) 10:39:40 PM: MikeC: ops...want...not what... 10:39:41 PM: smj: jus topen a chain 10:39:55 PM: golan: Yeah. I'm going to call him on my coconut phone and secure the Canadian rights. 10:39:55 PM: smj: call it We Willy Wisner's Retro Cafe 10:40:07 PM: smj: Or like in BTTF = Cafe 80s 10:40:36 PM: Snogpitch: Ya, that was what I was thinking, too :) 10:40:37 PM: Maurice: is that a cmd coconut? 10:40:43 PM: Olderbit would go to a Cafe 80s 10:40:59 PM: smj: and I'll personally deliver all of Maurice's orders in the delorean. 10:41:12 PM: smj: with him pushing 10:41:15 PM: Pelleas: Hey does anyone have any 128D keyboards they want to part with 10:41:17 PM: *** Signoff: Stephan (Quit: I just going.) 10:41:22 PM: Maurice: u havent bout the cmd delorean i was gonna sell you yet. 10:41:22 PM: Snogpitch: I'd love to give my order to a talking MaxHeadroom :) 10:41:23 PM: smj: oh no.. not this again. 10:41:27 PM: Pelleas: you'll need a delorean to go back in time and fix that situation :/ 10:41:39 PM: smj: I don't need another delorean 10:41:49 PM: smj: the one I've got is good enough to run you down with. 10:42:10 PM: Maurice: back in time to get beack my **** from maurice 10:42:12 PM: smj: see, I tell you to push .. but its fuel injected.. so why push? when I can start it up and put it in reverse and run you over. 10:42:17 PM: *** WShatner has left channel #c64friends 10:42:38 PM: *** IanC (~ian@CPE001217ba2585-CM000f9f7c3930.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined channel #c64friends 10:43:04 PM: RobertB: Hi, Ian. 10:43:04 PM: Maurice: maurice j randall fox in .... 10:43:06 PM: IanC: evening everybody 10:43:12 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy IanC 10:43:18 PM: smj: haha 10:43:48 PM: Maurice: back in time to get all my **** that you stole back... again. 10:43:57 PM: Maurice: from time. 10:44:04 PM: *** al is now known as al_away 10:44:07 PM: smj: hey maurice, are you going to C4? 10:44:12 PM: al_away: phone 10:44:13 PM: Maurice: yup 10:44:17 PM: smj: cool. 10:44:30 PM: smj: You're gonna make it all right too, right? 10:44:46 PM: Maurice: i'm going to be prosecuting brain and dopple for passing off phoney swiftlinks. 10:45:10 PM: smj: oh yah? 10:45:14 PM: Maurice: yah! 10:45:20 PM: smj: dats bhaaad. 10:45:35 PM: smj: did he really have orders from bogus accounts? 10:45:51 PM: Snogpitch: al, I noticed that 128D mlb just says 128 on it... 10:45:54 PM: Q-Link: {ShadowM} gotta go, nitey night lil linkerz 10:46:01 PM: Snogpitch: niters ShadowM 10:46:06 PM: RobertB: Bye, Glenn. 10:46:08 PM: Q-Link: Left QRoom: ShadowM 10:46:08 PM: *** Q-Link has left channel #c64friends (Try QuantumLink RELOADED!) 10:46:10 PM: Maurice: thanks for the help glenn! 10:46:37 PM: Snogpitch: guess he was the only one on Q tonight... 10:46:57 PM: *** mrandall (mrandall@sevcom.com) has joined channel #c64friends 10:47:05 PM: mrandall: Good Evening 10:47:06 PM: Maurice: uh oh 10:47:10 PM: smj: whoa 10:47:16 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy mrandall 10:47:20 PM: mrandall: Its time that I set the record straight. 10:47:23 PM: Moloch: This is getting out of hand 10:47:38 PM: smj: you've got to be kidding 10:47:53 PM: smj: we need an op. 10:47:53 PM: Maurice: what'd i do this time? 10:48:22 PM: mrandall: Impersonating me won't get orders out quicker 10:48:45 PM: smj: does it make them even slower? 10:48:51 PM: Maurice: yup 10:49:00 PM: smj: so which is which 10:49:09 PM: Moloch: funny how sevcom traces back to freeshell, huh smj? 10:49:31 PM: smj: funny how MR never chats with us moloch. 10:49:58 PM: LordRonin: OK so I have been monitoring this channel from the acug one. Will the real M.R. please stand up and post my HD Data? And now back to the other channel for Geos talk 10:50:07 PM: MikeC: I think both maurice's are fakes. 10:50:09 PM: Moloch: Administrative Contact: 10:50:09 PM: Moloch: Jones, Stephen smj@cirr.com 10:50:15 PM: Moloch: both are clearly fakes 10:50:20 PM: Moloch: mrandall is smj 10:50:21 PM: smj: clearly both are. 10:50:30 PM: smj: so who is the other one? 10:50:43 PM: mrandall: Sorry, I need to step out to fill some more orders. 10:50:44 PM: *** Signoff: mrandall (Client Quit) 10:50:49 PM: Snogpitch: ya, I'd expect Maurice's handle to be arca93 10:50:53 PM: smj: See, he's working hard. 10:51:13 PM: Olderbit: funny his whois is in the wrong part of the country 10:51:22 PM: Maurice: finally my name is clear 10:51:33 PM: Maurice: and i moved. 10:51:43 PM: smj: To Austin? 10:51:48 PM: smj: How do you like it there? 10:52:07 PM: Pelleas: It's a great city 10:52:12 PM: Olderbit: heh 10:52:25 PM: *** Olderbit is now known as Oldbit 10:52:25 PM: Maurice: allows me to work diligentlyer 10:52:28 PM: Pelleas: I got there a lot 10:52:30 PM: LordRonin: now where did I put the pitchfork and torches? Ah, right next to the back pack ADM with Maurices name on it. 10:52:31 PM: Pelleas: go too 10:52:31 PM: Dopple: ha 10:52:56 PM: Dopple: Well, the good news is y'all won't have to wait for swiftlink carts. 10:52:59 PM: smj: Ouch.. my brain just bleeded. 10:53:15 PM: Dopple: owch. 10:53:17 PM: Maurice: mines bleediner than yours 10:53:19 PM: Pelleas: Dopple nice! 10:53:27 PM: Pelleas: brb smoke 10:53:42 PM: Maurice: dopple, so you have decided to purchase from me? 10:53:44 PM: smj: so when pelleas goes to smoke does Maurice go too? 10:53:46 PM: Dopple: I'm typing up documentation right now. 10:54:06 PM: Maurice: i have docs on my site. 10:54:07 PM: Dopple: Maurice, yea, gimme 1 Vic-20 Jiffydos, NTSC, and 1 SuperMMU board. 10:54:25 PM: Maurice: send via paypal 10:54:35 PM: smj: Maurice, does your VIC-20 JiffyDOS work on the original 1540? 10:54:37 PM: MikeC: Golan: still around? What are gas prices around the GTA? 10:54:43 PM: Maurice: yes 10:55:17 PM: Maurice: but you will need the upgrade. 10:55:47 PM: Snogpitch: closest gas station to me is selling regular at $2.29.9 10:55:54 PM: smj: is Maurice = Moloch? 10:55:56 PM: Maurice: send ten more smakers to my pay pal account. 10:56:03 PM: Dopple: Snogpitch, damn. We're up to $2.67-2.73 here. 10:56:31 PM: Maurice: and consider it sent. 10:56:46 PM: Snogpitch: Didn't notice other gas stations around town today, as I was not driving but a passenger... 10:56:48 PM: PhotoJim: it was $2.495 in Minot, ND last weekend. 10:57:09 PM: RobertB: It's $3+ here. 10:57:17 PM: PhotoJim: we're having shortages in Canada so the prices are a lot higher here. there was a big refinery fire in Ontario in February. 10:57:22 PM: Snogpitch: The highest it's been in the last 3 weeks is $2.59.9 10:57:30 PM: smj: any reason why its up? 10:57:51 PM: Dopple: supply/demand ratio. 10:57:57 PM: RobertB: Oil company greed. 10:58:01 PM: Maurice: i sell gas too. 10:58:01 PM: smj: price fixing? 10:58:04 PM: Dopple: nope 10:58:05 PM: Dopple: nope 10:58:14 PM: IanC: MikeC: I just got back into Toronto today.. it's about 100.7/L 10:58:35 PM: PhotoJim: IanC: $1.039 here. it's affected us too. it was under 90 cents just three weeks ago or so. 10:58:43 PM: MikeC: IanC: Really? It's about 96 around Ottawa. 10:58:44 PM: Dopple: It's mainly because the amount of refineries that are out there can barely keep up with production, and that opec keeps changing output. 10:59:10 PM: smj: good thing I only fill up every 6 weeks. 10:59:26 PM: IanC: Photo: ridiculous isn't it? about a month ago it had gone down as far as 79 cents here. 10:59:29 PM: RobertB: And the oil companies won't build any more refineries in order to keep the supply tight. Oil company greed. 10:59:31 PM: Dopple: oil companies don't make any more profit margin than other businesses. They make more money overall because of the size of their industry, though. 10:59:39 PM: IanC: MikeC: 96 still seems like way too much. 10:59:47 PM: Dopple: no, they'd build more refineries, but red tape is preventing it 11:00:08 PM: golan: MikeC: http://www.torontogasprices.com/ 11:00:09 PM: Dopple: the refineries make a static amount of money per gallon. 11:00:11 PM: smj: I feel old because I remember when I could fill up my car for .76 cents a gallon. 11:00:11 PM: MikeC: IanC: I'm going to be in Toronto on Thursday. Yeah...I remember a month ago, I did fill up in TO for about 75! 11:00:19 PM: smj: the 80s ruled. 11:00:23 PM: golan: Hey, Ian! When did you slip in? 11:00:26 PM: Dopple: smj, cheapest I paid was $.89 in NJ in 1992 11:00:53 PM: RobertB: Hmm, the last refinery was built how many dozens of years ago? That much red tape for that many years? 11:00:53 PM: smj: but you didn't pour your own gas in NJ right? 11:01:02 PM: Dopple: RobertB, yes. 11:01:03 PM: IanC: golan: I'm very sneaky.. haha 11:01:14 PM: *** al_away is now known as al 11:01:18 PM: al: back 11:01:23 PM: RobertB: Hi, Al. 11:01:27 PM: smj: I used to pay .76 or so around 1987 11:01:33 PM: Snogpitch: al, I noticed that 128D mlb just says 128 on it... 11:01:34 PM: Dopple: smj, yea, not allowed to pump yer own gas in NJ. ghey law. Too many idiots immigrating from NYC, i suppose. 11:01:36 PM: golan: Ian: It's good that you've been away. It has been a rough week idjit-wise. 11:01:39 PM: RobertB: Back to more pleasant matters like C=. 11:01:42 PM: smj: thats when I started driving. So I'm pretty well hung. I mean .. young. 11:01:53 PM: MikeC: Dopple: We're talking about gas prices in litres. 11:02:05 PM: IanC: golan: haha.. I've been watching from a distance. 11:02:11 PM: antares51: Hello al. 11:02:14 PM: al: Snog, it's a Euro 128D modified to work NTSC 11:02:15 PM: Snogpitch: Early 80s average for gas seemed to be around $1.33.9 a gallon 11:02:17 PM: smj: my mini hasn't been filled up since November though 11:02:21 PM: al: hey Ant 11:02:28 PM: Dopple: MikeC, oh, then it would be about $.23/litre in NJ in 1992 :) 11:02:31 PM: smj: its the commuter car that I fill up every 6 weeks 11:02:37 PM: antares51: Got my XE/XM 1541 cable. 11:02:59 PM: Dopple: I usually drop about $50-70 a week on gas for my Jeep. 11:03:09 PM: Dopple: depends on how much driving/warming up I do. 11:03:10 PM: smj: wow.. how far is your commute? 11:03:14 PM: smj: ahh. 11:03:17 PM: Dopple: 14 miles. 11:03:19 PM: Dopple: each way. 11:03:20 PM: antares51: Moloch! 11:03:48 PM: smj: I commute in an insight.. but also last year I telecommuted about 60% of my work time, so that helped a lot. 11:04:50 PM: antares51: Soon to have 64HDD running. 11:05:11 PM: Dopple: Adding some leadfoot into it, figure a gallon to work, a gallon from work, maybe 1/4-1/2 gallon if i go out to lunch. If i let it warm up to melt ice/snow, then that may use up another 1/4 gallon a day. 11:06:41 PM: smj: jeep man 11:06:41 PM: Dopple: so, fudging the numbers a bit, say $6/day * 5 days is $30. Winter time, driving on snow uses more fuel. Fun-time in parking lots. Trips to the store. Parents house once in a while. Taking the "long way" home sometimes. I usually rack up about 28K miles a year. 11:06:49 PM: smj: wow.. 11:07:06 PM: smj: what kind of mpg does your jeep get? 11:07:10 PM: Dopple: Plus, I don't live too close to many friends, as they're generally 15-20 miles away. 11:07:21 PM: antares51: Cars get worse mileage in winter. Winter blend has less power. 11:07:40 PM: PhotoJim: and we warm up our cars more. 11:07:52 PM: PhotoJim: especially in those parts of the continent where it gets severely cold. 11:07:52 PM: Maurice: well, i need to get some work done.... 11:07:53 PM: Dopple: I have the 4.7L V8 in it, and I generally average about 15-16mpg in the winter, and 17-18 in the summer. Yea, winter time is LOTS of warming up. 11:08:09 PM: smj: so fuel prices will never go below $1 ever again. 11:08:09 PM: Maurice: busy busy.. 11:08:10 PM: Dopple: If i'm good, and drive with a light foot in the summer, I've gotten as much as 21mpg. :) 11:08:24 PM: Maurice: nite all. 11:08:26 PM: smj: are you always in 4x4 mode? 11:08:28 PM: PhotoJim: I only put about 15,000 km a year on my car. used to put about 20K but my wife has her own car now. 11:08:31 PM: antares51: Lots of warm up not recommended. 11:08:54 PM: Dopple: smj, only when the roads are wet or snowy, otherwise i can't accellerate, too much torque for an open differential, just spins 1 tire too easy. 11:08:54 PM: al: my 15 passenger stretch van gets gallons per mile :( 11:09:02 PM: *** Maurice is now known as Christian 11:09:18 PM: PhotoJim: antares51: no, but when it's really cold, you need to warm up the car a little or else you get frost on the windows and you can't see, which is dangerous. 11:09:22 PM: Dopple: smj, but, even in 2WD, the front axle and driveshaft still turns, there's no hubs that disengage, like there is on my bronco. 11:09:38 PM: golan: I bought a Hummer which I leave idling in the driveway 24/7 so I don't have the hassle of starting it when I want to drive over enviromentalists. Also, I enjoy wasting food. 11:09:43 PM: smj: you should fix that dopple :) 11:09:48 PM: smj: implement a hardware solution 11:09:50 PM: antares51: A little warm up is ok. Lots isn't. 11:09:56 PM: smj: so you can't even 'freewheel' it down hills? 11:10:03 PM: PhotoJim: golan: do you discard it every month so that it doesn't wear out too much? 11:10:19 PM: Snogpitch: I saw a Hummer the other day with spinners....talk about ghastly 11:10:31 PM: PhotoJim: antares: I agree. I have a remote control starter for my car. I start the car in the morning when I'm ready to get my coat and boots on. that gives it about 2-3 minutes or so, plus however long I need to clear the windows. 11:10:33 PM: golan: PJ: Of course not. I just buy more Hummers. I'm going to build a Beowulf cluster. 11:10:35 PM: IanC: lol golan 11:10:53 PM: antares51 maybe getting a 96 Regal with 3.8 litre motor. 11:10:59 PM: Christian: beowulf cluster of hummers? 11:11:07 PM: PhotoJim: golan: that only makes sense. and separate sports cars for when you feel like it, of course. 11:11:54 PM: MikeC: I want one of these: http://www.teslamotors.com 1 cent/mile! 11:11:59 PM: antares51: I'd rather run my 128VR with my 233 Pentium server. 11:12:04 PM: golan: I understand that with a dynawheel underneath the Hummer I can run it full out while it sits on my driveway. I should look into that. I could use way more gas. 11:12:24 PM: *** Signoff: Christian (Quit: Oops. My brain just hit a bad sector) 11:12:36 PM: smj: mikec, I like the concept of the 'grid car' 11:12:48 PM: golan: I wanted a stretch Hummer but my girlfriend said it would appear "ostentatious". 11:13:08 PM: Snogpitch: I've seen a stretch Hummer limo in town 11:13:12 PM: PhotoJim: golan: you should use gas to clean the dirt off the outside of your house too. really, it's your right as a Canadian. we Canadians sit on a fifth of the world's oil. we should really use a fifth of the world's oil too, no? 11:13:17 PM: antares51: Same here. 11:13:29 PM: golan: I think she's crazy. I regularly get compliments on my solid gold toilet. 11:13:36 PM: BryanP: Hummers = evil 11:13:55 PM: golan: PJ: I'm doing everything I can. 11:13:58 PM: PhotoJim: golan: mine's made of selenium. more expensive, and more environmentally damaging when I discard it. 11:14:03 PM: smj: hummers aren't evil.. they just look evil. 11:14:21 PM: antares51: One of our Chevy dealers got caught sending Hummers to China and Venezuela. 11:14:23 PM: smj: 1 soccer mom driving an h3 to get groceries is evil. 11:14:23 PM: BryanP: destruction of the environment? 11:14:24 PM: golan: I have the heat cranked up and all the windows open. 11:14:32 PM: PhotoJim: Hummers are serious overkill. it's rather stupid that they're even on the market. stupider that people buy them. 11:14:49 PM: PhotoJim: golan: stick your arms out the windows. diverts air into the interior for comfort. 11:14:52 PM: smj: dood, the edges of the icebergs fall off into the ocean all the time. 11:15:13 PM: al: common sence isn't as common as it used to be 11:15:17 PM: smj: hmm the base is $92k on the telsa? 11:15:20 PM: smj: tesla? 11:15:25 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: I recall reading something about 1/5 of all new cars sold in America are either SUV or minivans. 11:15:37 PM: MikeC: smj: yep 92k... 11:15:41 PM: golan: PJ: This selenium you speak of, do they make cutlery? 11:15:41 PM: smj: there is a local DYI's club that will convert any car for $5k and show you how to do it. 11:15:45 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: that's entirely possible. it's a big reason why the US consumes so much oil. 11:16:07 PM: antares51 prefers biofuel. 11:16:10 PM: smj: MikeC if you buy an SUV you can get a tax break. 11:16:10 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: hence the troops on Iraq. 11:16:21 PM: PhotoJim: golan: no, but that's a great idea. it is a little poisonous though so you should only let your guests use it. 11:16:21 PM: MikeC: ops...in not on... 11:16:22 PM: smj: semper fi 11:16:35 PM: al: later ppl 11:16:35 PM: antares51: !!! 11:16:36 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: exactly. and if Canada were an unfriendly regime, no doubt they'd be here too. :) 11:16:38 PM: *** Signoff: al (Quit: don't read this) 11:16:59 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: Like in the movie Canadian Bacon. ;) 11:17:27 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: yup. :) we don't even call it Canadian bacon for the record. We call it back bacon, because it comes from the back of the hog. 11:17:39 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: and in Turkey, the turkey is the "American bird". 11:18:02 PM: smj: grid cars are a nice idea.. the idea of charging your car on off peak hours on the grid, then using it for your commute with your excess being discharged back into the grid 'on peak' is cool. 11:18:03 PM: antares51: We have lots of turkeys in the neighborhood. 11:18:25 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: French fries in France are ??? ;) 11:18:44 PM: antares51: Hamburgers? 11:18:54 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: "frites" (literally, "fries") 11:18:57 PM: antares51: Swiss steak? 11:18:59 PM: smj: grid cars could be easy to implement, especially in parts of california where 1) they need it 2) they can already sell their power 11:19:30 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: yeah...I know. ;) Actually, I spent two weeks in Paris many, many years ago. 11:19:30 PM: antares51: Bologna? 11:19:49 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: I speak French but alas, I've never been to France. 11:20:08 PM: PhotoJim: antares51: they call it "balogna sausage" (well, the equivalent in Italian) 11:20:16 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: My wife's family is French Canadian and she barely speaks French. 11:20:22 PM: antares51: I listen to RFI from RCI inDRM. 11:20:38 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: I'm not at all francophone. I just speak it. I'm as anglophone as they come. :) 11:20:58 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: yep...me too. Born and raise in TO. 11:21:19 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: Now living near Ottawa. 11:21:20 PM: Snogpitch: Is it Quebec that's primarily French speaking? 11:21:24 PM: RobertB: I've been to France. 11:21:32 PM: MikeC: Snog: yep. 11:21:57 PM: smj: France is weird. Its like .. another country .. or something. 11:22:09 PM: antares51: Frenched headlamps? 11:22:22 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: Regina here. 11:22:32 PM: MikeC: Snog: Technically, anyone 30 years and older will have had formal french lessons in school. 11:22:38 PM: smj: http://home.comcast.net/~axisair/images/SyntarInCase.jpg 11:22:40 PM: PhotoJim: Snog: Yup. and a large minority in New Brunswick, and a smaller minority in Manitoba, plus scattered other communities. 11:22:43 PM: RobertB: Seattle is weird. It's like... another city... or something, ;-) 11:23:02 PM: smj: Yeah.. Fresno is weird... its like .. got a pizza pit or something 11:23:13 PM: antares51: Sackville NB is where Radio Canada transmits. 11:23:14 PM: PhotoJim: smj: you should go to the USA. it's like it's another country too. they have border guards and everything. :) 11:23:15 PM: smj: Hey, I zoomed in on the pizza pit.. 11:23:18 PM: smj: google maps. 11:23:21 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: I spent a few days in Regina back in 1997...I did a cross-Canada drive from Toronto to Vancouver. 11:23:29 PM: RobertB: I agree. That's why I don't live there. 11:23:31 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: that's a long drive. 11:23:50 PM: Oldbit just read homestead.. omg.. 11:23:54 PM: smj: The pizza pit... has a strange roof.. its like .. another roof, or something. 11:24:01 PM: MikeC: PhotoJim: Yeah...it was...in fact, I then drove from Vancouver down to Los Angeles. 11:24:09 PM: RobertB: Boing! What happened, Jeff? 11:24:14 PM: antares51: I once drove from one side of LA to another. It was a long drive too. 11:24:15 PM: golan: Oldbit: You see, that's what I'm talking about. 11:24:24 PM: PhotoJim: MikeC: you are a glutton for punishment. :) 11:24:27 PM: Oldbit: I missed it till now.. wow.. 11:24:34 PM: smj: Not the Cafe 80's thing? 11:24:41 PM: MikeC: I was in the mid-20s and bored. ;) 11:24:47 PM: IanC: Oldbit: good isn't it? haha 11:24:51 PM: MikeC: ops...my mid-20s... 11:24:54 PM: golan: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I know I'm abrasive but c'mon, how can I let stuff like that slide? 11:24:56 PM: RobertB: Oh, you mean that Paul Pank's rant. 11:24:58 PM: Oldbit: "Captain Paul's Tavern" (Arrrrgggghhhhh, Matey!!!) 11:25:08 PM: antares51: ??? 11:25:21 PM: golan: I'm that ***hole that says what most of y'all think. :) 11:25:21 PM: antares51: Hello Oldbit. 11:25:27 PM: smj: Wow.. your prepositions are preposterous today mikec 11:25:36 PM: smj: Pirates are in 11:25:46 PM: MikeC: smj: very sleepy. ;) 11:26:00 PM: antares51: Bolt upright. 11:26:01 PM: smj: I swear I spilled my bear all over he C64 at Cap't Pauls Tavern 11:26:01 PM: Oldbit: There's been some dumbing down of petscii forums lately too, but I figure that comes with the increase of traffic lately. 11:26:11 PM: smj: I think I was looking for Seth Able too 11:26:17 PM: smj: something like that. 11:26:28 PM: Oldbit: Hi antarres 11:26:54 PM: antares51: And evening Mr. Bernardo, sir. 11:27:01 PM: smj: I wish dilbert wasn't cancelled 11:27:17 PM: LordRonin: smj: Last time I dealt with Seth was on his BBS around Ontario Oregon, and that was a decade ago. 11:27:32 PM: smj: I heard he's coming to MossyCon 11:27:33 PM: smj: LR. 11:28:10 PM: RobertB: Hi, Antares. 11:28:22 PM: Oldbit: "The Pirates that don't do anything" -- /me continues to read Homestead 11:28:29 PM: antares51: Like I said, I got my cable. 11:28:48 PM: smj: Oldbit, is that what 'the pirate bay' is? 11:28:53 PM: smj: because they don't really do anything 11:29:05 PM: Oldbit: hehe 11:29:15 PM: LordRonin: Seth coming to MossyCon3? that would be interesting. But now I must split for the game. BCNU next week. 11:29:18 PM: *** Signoff: LordRonin (Quit: Leaving) 11:29:27 PM: smj: awww. 11:29:37 PM: smj: I too should slit. 11:29:38 PM: smj: split 11:29:48 PM: antares51: Silt? 11:29:48 PM: RobertB: Bye, Steve. 11:29:49 PM: Oldbit: "Once I obtain the necessary bank loan(s) to open this 11:29:50 PM: Oldbit: fledgling business, you shall see me on the cover of 11:29:50 PM: Oldbit: Newsweek or Time. 11:29:51 PM: smj: seriously.. no razors here. 11:30:01 PM: smj: yeah yeah.. 11:30:03 PM: Oldbit smacks his head.. 11:30:05 PM: smj: that guy is full o fit. 11:30:21 PM: antares51: Bye smj. 11:30:22 PM: smj: he and maurice should get together and take "business planning and management 101" 11:30:24 PM: *** Signoff: smj (Quit: Real programmers code it into the client) 11:31:11 PM: antares51: Now if only Moloch were here... 11:31:25 PM: Snogpitch: he is in the list 11:31:45 PM: antares51: He hasn't commented lately. 11:32:03 PM: Oldbit: Everyone yell his name at once, perhaps he will wake up.. 11:32:12 PM: PING delay for Moloch: 1 second 11:32:19 PM: Snogpitch: or ping him :) 11:32:26 PM: Oldbit: :) 11:32:26 PM: golan: Oldbit: You should thank your lucky stars that Paul doesn't post at PETSCII. 11:32:34 PM: antares51: Neither has Wildstar. 11:32:40 PM: Oldbit KNOCKS ON WOOD 11:32:40 PM: RobertB: Too tired to yell. Came from Long Beach, CA. 11:33:04 PM: Oldbit then KNOCKS ON GOLAN {for even suggesting that} 11:33:06 PM: Snogpitch: I rarely post on PETSCII 11:33:21 PM: antares51: Haven't been there. 11:33:29 PM: Oldbit: http://forums.petscii.com 11:33:42 PM: BryanP: LOL Wildstar and Paul together.. scary 11:33:51 PM: Snogpitch: I glance over a few topics maybe once or twice a week 11:34:07 PM: Oldbit facepalms again.. W* and Paul.. End of the World.. 11:34:45 PM: RobertB: I scan PETSCII every day. 11:34:45 PM: antares51: Nope. More like Moloch amd me together. 11:35:01 PM: Oldbit: Petscii is intended to be like csc, only with a moderator who carries a stick. 11:35:18 PM: antares51 appreciates the stick. 11:35:19 PM: BryanP: "It's the end of the world as we know it.. " ;) 11:35:40 PM: RobertB: Ouch, a stick. :-) 11:36:10 PM: antares51 is condidering volunteering for a one-way mission to Mars. 11:36:14 PM: Snogpitch: speaking of sticks, my dad is looking for a 7-inch ruler...not sure why, but he is 11:36:20 PM: BryanP: REM This is a comment... 11:36:31 PM: RobertB: Why would you do that, Antares? 11:36:42 PM: Oldbit: goodbye cruel world.. 11:36:43 PM: antares51: Just to get away. 11:37:02 PM: RobertB: I go to sleep. That gets me away. 11:37:32 PM: Oldbit crawls into his C=/electronics hobbies.. world scared to follow. 11:37:40 PM: antares51: I heard they found a large underground ice field. 11:38:36 PM: RobertB: Oh, yeah, I was describing how I wrote articles for our newsletter. The listener thought that was a poor thing. :-) 11:38:51 PM: antares51: ? 11:39:17 PM: Oldbit: Robert: what was with C=free's copyright issues? Who got ticked? 11:39:34 PM: *** Garth (Garth@c220-239-141-149.eburwd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined channel #c64friends 11:39:39 PM: Oldbit: Hi Garth 11:39:45 PM: Snogpitch: ya, you'd think the d64 issues could still be up 11:39:53 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy Garth 11:39:53 PM: RobertB: I don't know, Jeff, but I have a feeling it had to do with the C64 DTV. 11:39:57 PM: RobertB: Hi, Garth. 11:39:59 PM: Garth: Hi jeff 11:40:07 PM: Oldbit: You've got to be kidding.. 11:40:08 PM: Garth: and others :-0 11:40:44 PM: RobertB: No, Jeff. C= Free is a British publication. 11:40:48 PM: Snogpitch: still the d64 issues wouldn't be affected.... 11:40:59 PM: Oldbit: ah.. different rules? 11:41:16 PM: PhotoJim: bbl all 11:41:17 PM: RobertB: The companies with the C64 DTV interests are from Britain, Canada, and the Netherlands. 11:41:18 PM: *** PhotoJim is now known as PJimAFK 11:41:26 PM: RobertB: Bye, PhotoJim. 11:41:41 PM: Oldbit too used to freedom of speech.. uses it to say dumb things daily. 11:42:18 PM: Oldbit: yeah, I can see where there might have been some issue. 11:42:33 PM: RobertB: I can ask Nigel directly for a comment, but I'm sure that he wouldn't want it posted anywhere. 11:42:50 PM: Snogpitch: I commented about it at the last CCCC meeting 11:43:03 PM: Oldbit: understood.. C= is exceptional btw, if you guys haven't seeb it. 11:43:07 PM: Snogpitch: mentioned if anyone wanted a copy of it, I'll send it to them. 11:43:27 PM: Oldbit: C= = C=free 11:43:34 PM: Oldbit smacks his right hand against the desk 11:44:03 PM: RobertB: I remember that there was a posting on PETSCII, and it only lasted a day before it was removed. Was it because a company complained? 11:44:26 PM: Oldbit: No, I didn't remove any postings over it. 11:44:38 PM: Oldbit: Perhaps it moved down on it's own accord 11:44:59 PM: RobertB: It had to do with legal matters on the DTV. 11:45:26 PM: RobertB: I thought, "Oh, Jeff didn't want problems." 11:45:39 PM: Oldbit: I only remove topics that become potental fist fights 11:46:05 PM: Snogpitch: how many of those you see? 11:46:16 PM: Oldbit: Very few.. 11:46:33 PM: Oldbit: Although a couple threads have gotten very close to the delete key lately. 11:46:37 PM: IanC: the religion one is getting pretty close. 11:46:38 PM: RobertB: Well, this was not going to be a fist fight. It was more of an inquiry into legality. 11:46:39 PM: Garth: is your bbs operational jeff been a while since i was there but many appear to be down of late 11:46:56 PM: Oldbit checks 11:47:34 PM: Oldbit: It's up.. 11:47:55 PM: Garth: been al little pre occupied with my new hardware lately spent many weeks so far archiving my software 11:48:47 PM: Snogpitch: new hardware is always fun :) 11:48:55 PM: Oldbit nods 11:49:29 PM: Snogpitch: is archiving, just copying, or do you mean something else? 11:49:39 PM: Oldbit: backups? 11:49:55 PM: Garth: lynxing and storing on hard drive 11:50:05 PM: Garth: backups if you like 11:50:39 PM: Garth: though some things like term apps run direct from drive 11:51:37 PM: Snogpitch: I've thought about someday having to do that task...so far I haven't started yet :) 11:52:42 PM: Snogpitch: It seems like if it is archived somewhere else on the internet, no need for me to archive it yet again 11:52:46 PM: Garth: its very time consuming sorting etc but after destroying the d64 images i'd made previously its likely safer for the files 11:52:46 PM: RobertB: I don't even want to think of such an immense task in my situation. 11:53:20 PM: Garth: there are 5000 or so floppies here a very daunting prospect 11:53:33 PM: RobertB: Ick. 11:53:49 PM: Snogpitch: I might have that many, haven't counted them in years.... 11:54:23 PM: Garth: the ones i use are lynxed and stored then i can re-construct the disks should the unthikable occur 11:54:30 PM: Snogpitch: when you absorb collections folks give you, you tend to lose track 11:54:57 PM: Garth: ive just collected still unaware of all thats here 11:55:07 PM: RobertB: Agreed, Snog. 11:55:11 PM: *** JoeCommod (~joec@64-174-30-242.goldrush.com) has joined channel #c64friends 11:55:13 PM: Garth: many dupes i,m sure 11:55:20 PM: Snogpitch: Howdy JoeCommod 11:55:20 PM: antares51: With my new cable I hope to manage my software collection better. 11:55:20 PM: RobertB: Hi, Larry! 11:55:31 PM: antares51: Evening JC. 11:55:36 PM: Garth: and an incredible collection of geos fonts :-0 11:55:39 PM: RobertB: Long time, no virtual see! 11:55:55 PM: JoeCommod: Hey Thoought I'd drop in for a few minutes before bedtime, justr got back from a day out (very nice today) 11:56:04 PM: Snogpitch: Usually, if I find a "backup" of something I have a commercial package for, I put it in the box with the original disks. 11:56:34 PM: RobertB: Larry, can you post a CommVEx ad for me on Craigslist.org? 11:57:32 PM: JoeCommod: Sure, Robert, email me the details. Also Are you going to be picking up that PCJr in the next week or so (IIRC) 11:57:56 PM: RobertB: Yes, I'll pick up on the Palm Sunday weekend. 11:58:26 PM: Garth: thats my lotfor the day back to my house moving process 11:58:45 PM: *** Garth has left channel #c64friends 11:58:46 PM: Snogpitch: Most of the stuff I downloaded from BBS's back in the day are still in archive form 11:58:47 PM: RobertB: Thanks for the help, Larry. Our San Jose member won't post the ad. Our treasurer won't post the ad. (I don't know why.) 11:59:17 PM: JoeCommod: April 1st (had to look it up), sounds fine. 11:59:35 PM: Snogpitch: April Fools day? 11:59:57 PM: RobertB: Well, I said the weekend... so it's either a Saturday or Sunday. 12:00:42 AM: antares51: Yup. 12:01:16 AM: RobertB: That would be bad... I drive all the way to Larry's house to find that he has nothing for me to pick up. April Fools! ;-) 12:01:17 AM: JoeCommod: Saturday is a little tricky, I've said OK to being at our work's Baby Fair/Children's Day event so I may have to leave it with Diane. 12:01:19 AM: antares51: I'm going to an Eric Clapton concert on the 31. 12:01:52 AM: RobertB: Hmm, well, I'll know more as the weekend gets closer. 12:02:08 AM: JoeCommod: We'll get it worked out either way. :-) 12:02:17 AM: RobertB: There's a Joyce Cooling concert on the 31st in Long Beach, CA. 12:02:18 AM: Snogpitch: Is Eric with a band, or is he doing accoustical? 12:02:41 AM: antares51: With J.J. Cale. 12:02:56 AM: antares51: ...and band. 12:03:20 AM: JoeCommod: Comments on the new thing from Commodore (the PC, or the "gravel in pocket") I think Commodore still has problems in the Marketing Dept. 12:03:31 AM: RobertB: Too bad her concert is on that weekend over there (I came back from that city today... quite a drive through traffic). 12:03:38 AM: Snogpitch: I'm going to Xavier University next Sunday afternoon to catch a dixieland band performance 12:04:01 AM: JoeCommod: (to keep it on-topic, the PC comes with a 64 emulator with, IIRC, 20 games) 12:04:25 AM: antares51: The new Commodore doesn't match the philosophy of Mr. tramiel. 12:04:31 AM: RobertB: I saw John Green in concert at the Auld Dubliner Pub in Long Beach on last Wednesday. 12:04:45 AM: RobertB: 50 games, Larry. 12:05:00 AM: Snogpitch: Not sure when the next "rock" concert I will attend 12:05:06 AM: IanC: night all. 12:05:09 AM: *** IanC has left channel #c64friends 12:05:31 AM: antares51: JC: Are you perchance Larry Anderson? 12:05:48 AM: JoeCommod: Yes, I seem to be. ;-) 12:05:54 AM: Snogpitch: hehehe 12:05:56 AM: antares51: OH NO! 12:05:59 AM: RobertB: Commodore is aiming for the niche market of the extreme gamer. Such a gamer will spend as much money as he wants to get the most performance. (My brother is one such extreme gamer.) 12:06:17 AM: RobertB: What's wrong?!!! :-) 12:06:40 AM: antares51: It's like chatting with Jim Butterfield. 12:07:13 AM: Snogpitch: well folks, time for me to call it a nite 12:07:17 AM: RobertB: Larry is honored to be ranked with Jim Butterfield. 12:07:21 AM: RobertB: Bye, Snog. 12:07:24 AM: Snogpitch: catch y'all next weekend. 12:07:26 AM: JoeCommod: Wow, I'm humbled. 12:07:29 AM: Snogpitch: niters 12:07:37 AM: MikeC: RobertB: I don't think Commodore has a chance...they're using components that any mom & pop computer shop could assemble themselves. At least Dell, Alienware use their own motherboard designs, custom cases, etc. Log file closed at: Mar 18, 2007 12:07:45 AM