Session Start: Sat Feb 03 20:45:43 2007 Session Ident: #c64friends [20:45] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:45] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 - and Q-Link!!' [20:45] Hi Snog [20:46] Howdy folks [20:47] hello snog. [20:48] * Antares51 (~Dave@ip68-96-142-137.om.om.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [20:48] Howdy Antares51 [20:48] Evening Mr. Witmer, sir. [20:48] It's cold in Ohio tonight! [20:48] Ate supper and did dishes. I'm happy. [20:49] I bet it is...cold here too [20:49] Wind chill is -10 F now here. [20:49] brrr [20:49] ouch [20:49] they say it might get to -20 windchill here tonight. [20:49] gamemaster! [20:49] high tomorrow is 5 [20:49] it won't be above freezing temps for the next week :/ [20:49] Hi Antares [20:49] It's been too long. [20:50] yep agreed [20:50] We may get more snow. I can transfer a QBasic program to Basic 7. [20:51] Hi guys [20:51] Oldbit! [20:51] Hi bit [20:51] No to take anyone away from here, but you'd all be welcome to join in a "dual" chat with us over at Temporal Vortex [20:52] I read some of info in regards to a RS-232 converter for my 64 or 128. [20:52] what kind of info you looking for, Antares51? [20:52] Your incite is phenomenal. [20:53] Just looking for an interface that supports 1200. [20:53] you want to buy one or build one? [20:53] Antares51: who is? [20:53] It's for my TenTec RX-320D. [20:53] building one is cake [20:53] Prefer building one. It's cheaper. [20:53] Snog: what's up with www.c64friends.com? [20:54] Antares51: that got rs232 already or u looking for a uart? [20:54] Looking for. [20:54] no idea, need to ask Dragos [20:54] Yes I was noticing that earlier today [20:55] Server might have crashed again? [20:55] Also good for getting on QLink natively. [20:55] somthing is not working right that is for sure [20:55] Antares51: *THE* best one you can get, is the TL16C550C, it can do up to 1mbps, but the real kicker is it has automatic flow control on-chip... no need to do it in software, totally kick*** [20:56] BTW, qlink has a new domain again.. ql.quantumlink.tk [20:56] oh? hmm sounds like I might have to update my info, have not logged in for a couple of weeks [20:57] Any of the following works, IP#, ql.quantumlink.tk, go.quantumlink.tk, qlink.petscii.com [20:57] is that supposed to be the webpage for information? [20:57] ah ok [20:57] * _brain_ (~brain@12-217-182-28.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends [20:58] Howdy _brain_ [20:58] B-Q_~ [20:58] speaking of.... [20:58] Mr. Brain, SIR. [20:58] Hi Brain [20:58] <_brain_> howdy [20:58] * punch wanders off to smoke in the demiblizzard [20:58] lol punch [20:58] You still alive Jim? [20:58] having trouble with www.quantumlink.tk -- Should also be working next week.. Got a tech scratching his head on the DNS for it. [20:59] wow jim! [20:59] how are ya? [20:59] KP!!! [20:59] antares! [20:59] <_brain_> reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated [20:59] always glad to hear that [20:59] wondered if u fell off the edge of the earth [20:59] It pleases me greatly to see you here again. [20:59] :D [20:59] Inded [21:00] indeed rather [21:00] <_brain_> Well, I'm always "around", but IRC gets to be a huge timesuck. [21:00] lol [21:00] lol [21:00] <_brain_> It can be rather addictive. [21:00] havent seen u anywhere tho [21:00] email reading counts as #2 [21:00] lol yes [21:00] <_brain_> Especially during late night coding [21:00] coding anything fun? [21:00] well there are worse things to be addicted to ;) [21:01] no jim in csc, no jim in qlink, no jim all the time [21:01] :( [21:01] <_brain_> Slowly trying to get the projects I have open finished. [21:01] cool [21:01] I started converting an RX-320D QBasic control program to Basic 7. [21:01] that sounds cool [21:01] any progress on the iec card thingy [21:02] sorry its been so long i cant remember jsut what it was [21:02] :D [21:02] I want to create a useful interface to run the receiver from my 128. [21:02] <_brain_> A bit of progress on all of them, but I was preoccupied a bit during 2006. [21:02] <_brain_> Hobby time ebbs and flows [21:02] I take it the kids and wife took a bit of your time. [21:02] amen [21:03] telnet://innercirclebbs.com ;) [21:03] As it should be. [21:03] <_brain_> Yep, I got a chance to telecommute, and travel. [21:03] * RobertB (IceChat7@69-19-139-177.nocal.dialup.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [21:03] * ChanServ sets mode: +o RobertB [21:03] Cool [21:03] <_brain_> SO, I took it. [21:03] Hi Robert [21:03] Evening Mr. Bernardo, sir. [21:03] hey robert [21:03] <_brain_> But, it's a bit tough to drag the 64 and 1541 in our RV [21:03] Hi, Dan and Antares. [21:03] Howdy RobertB [21:03] Yes i know how that is [21:03] Hi, Snog. [21:03] Jim, my mother passed away last November. [21:04] <_brain_> my condolences [21:04] Just leave the C64 and 1541 in the RV all the time. :-) [21:04] what am i ? fish maneur? [21:04] hehe [21:04] I currently reside in her house near Mr. Lawless. [21:04] Hi, Leo (Mr. Fish). ;-) [21:04] * KilrPilr goes back to mundane job of scanning manual [21:04] lol KP [21:04] At least you have a job. ;-) [21:05] why did u get fired? [21:05] <_brain_> RB, the RV is cramped... I'm working on it. [21:05] <_brain_> Ant, you're not too far away from me, then. [21:05] Nah, of course not. [21:05] Makes life interesting. [21:06] had to have that turbo master eh robertb? [21:06] Tiny monitor and C64 DTV. Problem solved in RV. ;-) [21:06] too bad the master adapter wasnt with it [21:06] I'd help you with your RV but... you know. [21:07] My father is refurbishing a RV, a 1988 Winnebago Brave 22-footer. [21:07] Made not far from here. [21:07] Had to replace the TM that was stolen just after MossyCon 1. [21:09] fish manure.... bass turds [21:09] Now 'bout that uart punch? [21:09] lol punch [21:09] Unless you have catfish... or perch... or... ;-) [21:10] it's the best one you can get, has AFE, and the usual FIFOs [21:10] * Antares51 earnestly desires being bashed with a frozen trout. [21:10] what am i? bass turds!? [21:10] you can get them with larger FIFO if you want, I think the E revision has 512 bytes [21:10] i like it! [21:10] * RobertB hits Antares with a frozen catfish. [21:10] * Moloch smacks Antares51 with a dozen frozen trout! [21:10] Schematic? [21:10] <_brain_> OT: Stuffing a 64 in RV is a bit tough: http://www.jbrain.com/brain/117DBL/IMG_3971.JPG [21:11] Love them trouts! [21:11] go to ti's website for the spec sheet, it's same hookup as 16550/8250 (totally pin compatable, just new features) [21:11] brain, you bet it is, space goes quick in them [21:11] watch out for rattlers [21:12] Is there a schematic made up for interfacing a 64? [21:12] just use any current schematioc for 8250/16550 [21:12] Sounds reasonable. [21:12] * dracosilv slaps Antares51 with his tail [21:12] BRB. Must move my car into the driveway. [21:12] bonus is it will work with all the old **** [21:12] brain: what a shot... [21:12] ;) [21:13] OH! [21:13] yoyo [21:13] hey brain! [21:13] how are you doin? [21:13] What tail? [21:13] long time no see! [21:13] <_brain_> Still alive, FWIW [21:13] dracosilv... [21:13] wow [21:13] brainn???? [21:13] here?? [21:13] dracosilv/dragon (rp-ing a bit) [21:13] YES!!! [21:13] yeah dragos. [21:13] wb brain [21:15] <_brain_> thx [21:17] _brain_, you thinking about coming to C=4 this year...happens in May? [21:18] <_brain_> Trying to fit it in. Why did it get moved up so far? [21:18] Hey Snogpitch [21:19] Only a month earlier than last year.... [21:19] before mom's day [21:20] trying to space the expos out [21:20] I'm back. [21:20] wb [21:21] <_brain_> True, but June is a great time to do King's Island. [21:21] TPUG had one in December, CommVex is happening in July [21:21] <_brain_> THey only open on weekends in May :-( [21:21] so is may [21:21] bringing family to C4.. Jim, matt's hoping your youth are also coming.. [21:21] KI is open during the weekends [21:21] Oh, Snog, I was pricing out the flight to C=4. So far, the cheapest I've found is about $550. (Ouch!) [21:21] <_brain_> Yeah, like I'm going to let my kids go without me. [21:22] why so much? [21:22] <_brain_> OB, I'll tell Brent. He was darn sad when you both left. If my plans firm up a bit, we'll have to plan a bit more time for them. [21:22] Matt's happy.. [21:22] cool [21:22] Anyone here in NC that is going to C4? [21:23] robert, glad you are plannign to attend this year [21:23] I guess Cincinnati is off the beaten track. :-) [21:23] http://www.c64friends.com/ is back up! thanks Dragos [21:23] robert, try flyning i9nto a nearby city [21:23] Matt's wondering if stuff still falls all over when you travel.. heh.. ;) [21:23] IThe site was down? [21:23] What nearby city, Mark? [21:23] it was until a few minutes ago, RobertB [21:24] fly into indy and get a ride down [21:24] nearby cities include Indianapolis, Lexington, Louisville, Dayton, Columbus [21:24] what other major airports are in ohio [21:24] <_brain_> Well, if it falls over, we're not back there to hear it [21:24] indy is definitrely cheap [21:24] O.K., I'll check out the other airports. [21:24] Thanks for the advice! [21:24] what airport you coming out of robert? [21:25] i'm sure someone might be able to give you a ride down from Indy. [21:25] Lexington would probably be the next closest [21:25] i would but i am full already [21:25] Well, it was to be LAX but with a changeover in Chicago, I would have arrived 10:30 am on Saturday. Not good! [21:26] Then I found one out of San Francisco that would get me into Cincinnati around 6:30 a.m. [21:26] try indy [21:26] its 2 hrs form indy by car [21:26] probably 200 cheaper [21:26] Hmmm. [21:26] or maybe Dayton too [21:28] * Oldbit (Oldbit@0-1pool107-228.nas4.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [21:28] its worth at least checking out [21:28] Of course. [21:30] * Oldbit (Oldbit@0-1pool107-228.nas4.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) has joined #c64friends [21:30] I found a great website for flying out without preplanning. http://www.lastminutetravel.com [21:30] Hi, again, Jeff. [21:30] WB Oldbit. [21:30] cool robertb [21:31] got dumped.. [21:31] Qwest dialup. Yuck! [21:31] Nah, haven't gotten dumped by a girl in awhile. ;-) [21:32] me ewither, been married 13 years [21:33] Separated but on good terms. [21:35] hmmm, noone is visiting via Q tonight? [21:35] Guess I better fire up the 64C [21:35] I guess not. [21:36] I used to have one. I miss it. [21:37] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:37] Entered QRoom: Snogpitch [21:37] Get another. Then you won't miss it. :-) [21:37] Hi, Snog from Q-Link. [21:37] {Snogpitch} Yep, only one in the rooms [21:37] I just might. It'd go great with my 128s. [21:37] <_brain_> OldBit? [21:37] one what? [21:37] 64C. [21:38] oh, the white ones.. i had one before. [21:38] Hi Q-linked SNog [21:38] heh [21:38] Got two breadboxes. [21:38] * AlanR (AlanR@dialup-4.224.204.133.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:38] Howdy AlanR [21:39] Evening Alan. [21:39] hey speaking of 64C... I have a C64 Link II... one of the clips says attach to U14 pin 15... and there is NO U14 where did they put U14? [21:39] Hi everyone [21:39] Hello Alen [21:39] Hi, Alan. [21:39] * there is no U14 on my 64C... that's the relation heh [21:39] What's the Link II? [21:40] Hmm, the LInk II... I don't remember it. What does it do? [21:40] IEEE [21:40] ah [21:40] the Link is IEEE, the Link II is IEEE and some kind of printer port [21:41] Refers to a breadbox 64? [21:41] Are you going to connect a PET drive to the Link? [21:41] aye [21:41] no pet drive. nothing really, just want to know for future reference really [21:42] * Antares51 listens to America. [21:42] what is U14 on the breadbox? [21:42] Which album/CD? [21:42] Harvest. [21:42] i have the c64 link, it has no jumoper wires [21:42] :O [21:42] I dont have a breadbox 64 [21:43] c64 link2 has some other connector on it too [21:43] wonder where it goes on a 128 even [21:43] might be 64 only... [21:43] Dragos, that's a parallel port according to instructions [21:43] Oh the days when equipment actually came with a manual..... [21:43] cool [21:43] never seen a connector like that though [21:44] 7 pins, each side, edge board connector type thing [21:44] * JavaUser (~Javauser@225-8.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:44] looking at one schematic, U14 i s74LS139 [21:44] HI Java [21:45] U14 is 74LS139 [21:45] * Eddie looks for 74LS139 on his c64c [21:46] * JavaUser is now known as Beeman [21:46] Hello Beeman. [21:46] Hi all [21:46] Hiya Beeman [21:47] HI, the other Robert. [21:47] Hello Robert B. [21:48] * yock (~myockey@cpe-71-79-17-102.cinci.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:48] one the breadbox, it's the second row from the front 3 chips away from the PLA [21:48] no 72LS139 on this mother board [21:48] PCB 252311 Rev 4 [21:49] 74LS139 [21:49] not 72. [21:49] it is half the size of a C64 breadbox motherboard [21:49] yeah 74 [21:49] there's a few 745LSxxx but no 139's [21:49] Lets see if I can find my 64C schematics [21:49] 64C was cost reduced with a half-sized mobo. [21:50] True although I liked the keyboard shape [21:50] actually only 2 :) [21:50] Some C64Cs had a full-sized motherboard. [21:50] * yock (~myockey@cpe-71-79-17-102.cinci.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:50] Confirmed. [21:50] 74ls14 and dm74ls08N [21:50] Hi, Yock. [21:51] true there was a A though E board on the 64C [21:51] evidently there's a 4 also [21:51] hey [21:51] ...and different SID. [21:52] yep [21:52] so some games sound differently on some boards vs others [21:52] Per Mr. Brain. [21:52] so no idea where U14 disappeared to on a 64C MB? hehe [21:53] is your board 252311 or 252312? [21:53] probably into commodores black hole that was commodore mangement in the later years [21:53] on this MB I see J3, says Open NTSC, closed PAL... think that's all there is to it? heehe [21:53] It is 252311 [21:53] Rev 4 [21:53] Ooo, the Black Hole. Bad movie! ;-) [21:54] Preferred the book. [21:54] hmmm, 11 isn't in my book, but 12 is... [21:54] LOL saw the movie, didn't read the book [21:55] Black hole was intersting in that one of the first sci fi movies of its type, it only survied becase it was the only game in town lol [21:55] Of its type? What is that? [21:55] thanks for the effort Snog [21:56] It tried to be a 2001 clone. Didn't work. [21:56] major production sci fi with decent special effects [21:56] morning eddie [21:56] eddie: how's ACIAfix? [21:56] Ah, I see. [21:56] morning punch :) [21:57] ACIAfix still waiting for T232 [21:57] a 2001 clone? hmm they were as different as night and ay [21:57] day [21:57] sigh :-) [21:57] * JavaUser (~Javauser@207.134.85.153) has joined #c64friends [21:57] punch, any idea what they did with U14 on the newer 64C motherboards?? It is a 74LS139 chip. [21:58] * JavaUser is now known as anusjones [21:58] it is a decoder/demux [21:58] I'll have to compare the two boards here, my guess is the different custom chips requres different logic glue [21:59] why? is it some kinda concern? [21:59] punch, ok. [22:00] not really. I just have a IEEE cartridge for C64 - it has two chip clip things, one says U14 pin15, but this MB doesnt have one [22:00] * MikeC (~MikeC@host-208-65-244-178.dyn.295.ca) has joined #c64friends [22:00] Hello Mike. [22:00] Hi mike [22:00] yea, that's gonna be alot different [22:00] DONE! [22:00] FINALLY! [22:00] Hi everyone [22:00] gimmie a sec, I'll tell you where to clip it [22:00] congrats KP [22:01] Any hot single girls here? [22:01] * Antares51 looks confused. [22:01] * Oldbit1 (Oldbit@0-2pool110-40.nas4.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) has joined #c64friends [22:02] re [22:02] Nope just a bunch of Commodore nuts [22:02] Two Oldbits for the price of one. [22:02] Nope, just hot Commodore computer talk! [22:02] (and happy to be a part of said group) [22:02] punch, ok [22:02] lol right on robert [22:04] * Antares51 proudly owns Commodore. [22:04] * JavaUser (~Javauser@68-186-19-79.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [22:04] ...computers. [22:04] * JavaUser is now known as village16 [22:04] * Oldbit1 invites IRC members to dual connect to bbs,petscii.com port 6401 with cgchat [22:04] Hello villiage. [22:04] * Oldbit (Oldbit@0-1pool107-228.nas4.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:05] Hi, MikeC and Scott. [22:05] Hi Village [22:05] Hi RobertB [22:05] hey robert [22:06] hi everyone [22:06] Scott, Andrew Wiskow and I will be up in the Astoria area during Spring Break. I guess that will be the time for MossyCon 3. [22:07] eddie... simple to "fix" your little dillemma [22:07] holy smokes, its 47 MB's [22:07] On the 252278 64 board U14 is TTL 901521-03 [22:07] darn it [22:07] ouch [22:07] even jpgs can add up [22:07] yeah at 100 KB's a piece [22:07] ther's quite a few entry points you can substitute [22:07] No problem for me. 1.5 T of space. [22:07] 252278 board... [22:08] u wanta host it antares? [22:08] that is what LR had told me [22:08] hmm can you use lower quality and it still be readable? [22:08] No hosting yet. [22:08] eddie: get access to your VIC chip (6567) [22:08] :( [22:08] pin 16 [22:09] * Caricon_ (~Caricon@wrls-12-37-119-254.paulding.oh.speednet.net) has joined #c64friends [22:09] seems like you get away with lower quality (higher compression) as it is going to be text and should compress well [22:09] * Eddie looks for a 6567 chip [22:09] yeah im trying to rar the zip file here and see if it helps [22:10] I doubt compressing it with rar after zip is going to help. Compressing it with just rar perhaps [22:10] * punch smacks eddie [22:10] eddie: get access to your VIC chip (6567) [22:10] Agreed. [22:10] Hi, Caricon. [22:10] pin 16 on the VIC chip [22:10] * punch smacks eddie with a frozen penguin [22:10] lol [22:11] So what you're saying is I won't get laid here tonight? [22:11] * Eddie slaps punch around a bit with a large trout [22:11] that is one COLD suit [22:11] * Eddie sets mode: +v punch [22:11] * Caricon (~Caricon@wrls-12-37-119-254.paulding.oh.speednet.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:11] * Eddie sets mode: +v _brain_ [22:11] * Antares51 equips Eddie with Corbamite. [22:11] * Eddie sets mode: +v Q-Link [22:11] * Eddie sets mode: +v Antares51 [22:12] * Eddie slaps anusjones around a bit with a large trout [22:12] eddie: hint, VIC chip is under the shielding [22:12] * punch smacks eddie with a frozen penguin [22:12] Unless I dress up as a big plush 6581? [22:12] and it is hte battle of penguine vs trout....who will win..film at 11 [22:12] Didn't work. Eddie has Corbamite. [22:12] no luck [22:12] stil huge [22:12] game: penguins would eat trout [22:12] ah well, ill post it to usenet [22:12] no 6567 here [22:13] jpg dont' usually compress much under zip or rar [22:13] newer 64's don't got a VIC chip? [22:13] mine does [22:13] :-) [22:13] the sid chip is 8580R5 [22:13] yeah but had to trysomething [22:13] see that metal box about center of the board? [22:13] <_Six_> teehee [22:13] OPEN IT [22:13] any thoughts on how to reduce the size more? [22:13] punch yes I am sure the pengines would eat the trout... if they were big enough heh [22:13] <_Six_> switching a VIC, are we? [22:14] six: nahhh he needs the AEC line [22:14] other than redoing the jpg with higher compression,nope [22:14] * village16 (~Javauser@68-186-19-79.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:14] <_Six_> And hola _brain and Oldbit! [22:14] KP did you save them all as jpg directly? Or did you keep the originals? [22:14] eddie: don't make me open up my c64c [22:15] Hi six [22:15] <_Six_> You guys coming to C4? [22:15] Hi Six [22:15] is that a PAL or NTSC? [22:15] Hi, Six. [22:15] <_Six_> Hola Robert [22:15] lol theres no VIC chip lol [22:15] unless it got renumbered [22:15] * punch sighs [22:15] fam and I planning for C4 [22:15] I dont even see a 6510 on here [22:15] * punch smacks eddie with a frozen penguin [22:16] I see 8500 [22:16] :D [22:16] 64c had a lot of renamed chips [22:16] saved em all as jpg's [22:16] By hook or by crook, I'm coming to C4. [22:16] wheeeeee [22:16] 8500 == 6510 [22:16] ya 8500 is the 6510 [22:16] <_Six_> Should I pop one of my short-board 64's open and get the # off the chip? [22:16] me too robert. [22:16] hiya CJ [22:16] 8500 == hmos 6510 [22:16] six: please, I don't wanna brush the dust off mine [22:16] KP well try loading jpg, savig with lowerquality/higher compression save it and reopen the new file and see if it still looks ok [22:16] 6, you got a 252311 Rev 4 board? :) [22:17] HAHA [22:17] is 252311 PAL? [22:17] six: he needs the AEC line [22:17] <_Six_> hehe [22:17]