[20:52] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:52] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 - and Q-Link!!' [20:52] hmmm, I had a disconnect too :/ [20:52] hmm none of these "light and fresh" teas sounds like the imperial gun powder I knew [20:53] Hello, Snogpitch [20:53] more like you needed a stomach like a leather bucket to drink it and it only took a couple cups to achieve that [20:53] * EggSnog (snogpitch@dialup-4.225.153.51.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [20:54] bogax: http://www.teatalk.com/china/basics.htm [20:54] * Snogpitch is now known as EggSnog [20:55] Just give me plain tea none of that fancy stuff [20:55] coffee for me [20:55] EggSnog: plain tea can be good, but the fancy stuff is better. you just have to learn what about plain tea you like and find fancy teas that maximize those qualities. [20:56] dunric: Am I confused or is the latest post to your forums from mid-2004? [20:56] Only two types of tea in my cupboard [20:56] Salada [20:56] Earl Grey [20:56] ok, it should work now [20:56] EggSnog: so you have a black broken-leaf or fannings orange pekoe, and you have an orange pekoe with bergamot oil added. [20:57] the links are golden [20:57] * mech (4k@dialup-4.227.106.134.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [20:57] Howdy mech [20:58] heh there was nothing subtle about the stuff I used to drink [20:58] Wow. Stale website. [20:58] kinda like you'd disolved a penny in tannic acid [20:58] bogax: they mentioned what imperial gunpowder tea is. [20:59] howdy [20:59] hey mech [20:59] * Bryan (~bryan.pop@c-69-242-40-175.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [20:59] Hi Mech [21:00] Howdy Bryan [21:00] for any amiga guys,ibrowse 2.4 was released [21:00] PhotoJim yes and the physical description fits but the description of the resulting beverage doesn't (and not just that page) [21:00] hmm [21:00] hey Bryan [21:00] mech: COOL!!! Got a URL handy? [21:01] http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/ [21:01] hello Paul! [21:02] but maybe I'm just too much of a pussy as a tea drinker [21:03] Salada is an Orange Pekoe tea [21:03] bogax: some people don't like it... others just have to find out how to make it to their taste. I know precisely how to make it for mine, and that's why tea made at home kicks butt and tea made elsewhere is generally just okay. [21:03] Earl Grey is a Blended tea with Bergamot flavouring [21:04] sounds good [21:04] EggSnog: precisely. [21:05] may be the nasty, dark-golden-almost-black, oily, acrid, decoction that I used to drink is what tea drinkers call light and fresh and subtle [21:05] I love Earl Grey [21:05] I also like the Lemon variety [21:05] I like it a lot too [21:05] * smj (smj@ukato.freeshell.ORG) has joined #c64friends [21:05] bogax: sounds like it's just oversteeped for your tastes. [21:05] Howdy smj [21:05] hmm, no Robert Bernardo tonight [21:06] only time I overbrew it is when I'm making iced tea...don't want it to get too weak with the added ice [21:06] must be on vacation [21:06] well, I liked it just fine, but I wouldn't describe it as light, fresh or subtle [21:07] bogax: some teas are. I like Darjeelings a lot. they can be very subtle, but it takes a bit of tinkering to find the right time and amount of tea to get that subtlety. [21:07] And occasionally I'll go to a chinese restaurant and ask for hot tea there with my meal... [21:08] * James_M (~james@adsl-75-3-146-195.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #c64friends [21:08] Hello [21:08] Howdy James_M [21:08] hey James [21:09] * Balza (balza@66-81-20-224.socal.dialup.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [21:09] Hola. :) [21:09] Howdy Balza [21:10] whoah... what happened to the rest of my name? hahahahaha [21:10] did the server truncate it? [21:10] can't remember... what's the IRC command to change your name? [21:10] * ShadowM (~shadow@adsl-69-210-81-215.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #c64friends [21:10] Balza: /nick newnick [21:10] dunric, looks like it... [21:11] nick ... that's it! thanks! (was trying /name) [21:11] hey Shadow [21:11] Howdy ShadowM [21:11] BRB [21:11] * Balza (balza@66-81-20-224.socal.dialup.o1.com) Quit (Client Quit) [21:11] Hiya folks [21:12] * dunric_64 is away to grab some snacks [21:12] * Balzabaar (~balza@66-81-20-224.socal.dialup.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [21:12] There's the rest of my name! hahahahaha [21:12] (it ran away, so I had to run after it) [21:12] ;) [21:13] Anyone else alive in here? [21:13] Usually Chinese restaurants use the Oolong tea [21:14] * Balzabaar listens to the sound of tumbleweeds wooshing by... [21:14] lol, just us tea drinkers [21:14] EggSnog? Is that Snogpitch? [21:14] listening to the sound of code compiling... [21:15] Where LR, bussenss open late tonight? [21:16] LR is always late. ;) [21:16] "fashionably late", you might say... [21:16] ya, that's me..brb, getting laundry out of the washer [21:16] OK... when you get back, you'll have to explain the "Egg" part to me... :) [21:16] thats probably the first time fashion and lr have been in the same sentence [21:17] me too [21:17] Hello Dragos... just got your e-mail! (ref: SFD-1001) [21:17] excellent ! [21:18] I've been in here a few times... normally pretty busy on Saturday nights, but I try to make it when I can. :) [21:18] bal: dankee for bugtesting the BBS :) .. bbslister is fixed now [21:18] speaking of the SFD-1001, is there a troubleshoot manual for it online? [21:18] I see a "Tiamat" on the userlist here... That wouldn't bee, by any chance, "Tiamat Kam'en'ehar" ???? [21:19] IceB... no problem! it was a pleasure! I got a kick of the 1993 posts! hehehehe [21:20] Sorry I dropped carrier, but my dial-up connection crapped out on me. [21:20] * Hellion_1 (~Hellion_1@h69-130-178-180.69-130.unk.tds.net) has joined #c64friends [21:20] not a problem, I was curious if Cbase would exit gracefully [21:20] (it did) [21:20] heya hellion! [21:21] Hey everybody!! [21:21] Hi Hellion_1. [21:21] dragos [21:21] I think that was my first time on a Cbase BBS... Always a challenge getting used to a new command set at first... ;) [21:22] sup mech [21:22] sosdd [21:22] you? [21:22] heh.. yeah, I'm so used to it from years of using it .. once a friend of mine gets me a JiffyDOS ROM it'll be a bit faster loading the MODs [21:22] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [21:22] I think I said the magic word [21:22] tired, been fixong other poeples lame cimputers all day [21:23] I've got mine running on a 64c with JiffyDOS... definately an improvement! [21:23] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [21:23] JiffyDOS [21:23] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [21:23] hahaha [21:24] jiffy DOS [21:24] :) [21:24] if there were a reliable place to pick it up, I'd put in an order right now.. both of the 81s I've picked up from Ebay oddly already had it built in (though it wasn't advertised) [21:24] gotta be one word, apparently. ;) [21:24] strange... maybe the owners didn't even know? [21:25] I'd think a 1581 with JiffyDOS would pick up a premium on eBay. [21:25] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [21:25] one of em did cauz they sent me the old ROM in a static bag [21:25] oh no.. JiffyDos R900lEZ [21:25] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [21:25] not this again. [21:25] but yeah, both ran me under $60 [21:25] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) has joined #c64friends [21:25] OK, back from the laundry room [21:25] Howdy LordRonin [21:26] * Balzabaar bows gracefully to LordRonin. [21:26] Howdy Hellion_1 [21:26] Hoi Egg Snog {G} [21:26] Man just scared myself. Running Vice in Linux, hit Shft, ctl, F2. That I dumped X for a moment [21:26] HelloThere L. R. [21:26] Hoi Blazabarr: Saw your email to me in the list. Haven't read it yet. Chopped out a lot of the TML stuff first. [21:27] hey LordRonin! just got the latest Village Green a fews days ago... :) almost all read. [21:27] I'm so far behind on email right now [21:27] LR: My e-mail to you wan't in the list. [21:27] Hoi BeeMan, thanks for the files. Just haven't been online till recently. Power outage for me and my ISP. Then a frelled acount. [21:27] Bryan: Got to the Geos stuff yet? Wondering if after next issue should continue that vein. Already at page #9 today on the January issue. [21:28] LR: BTW, ... referring to your "ramblings" in the Village Green... the "better word" for "that line drop thing" in GEOS, I believe, is "carriage return". [21:28] Balzabaar: Sorry by list I mean the list that I see in pine of all my e-mail in one sequencial/chronological order. [21:28] anyone here use REUs? [21:28] I use REUs [21:29] I have an REU... [21:29] LR: Oh THAT list... hehehehe... got it! ;) [21:29] hey lord [21:29] * smj is now known as smjulmust [21:29] which models? [21:29] I've got a 1750 clone [21:29] Balzabaar: I thought of that term, but it just didn't seem to hit the mark in my mind. Heard a name for the problem once long ago and can't remember it. [21:30] smj: Got the REU part of the SCPU right here for me. Super Clone in the 128 and the 64c in the shop. [21:30] Hoi Dunric! [21:30] I've got a 1750 and I forget the other model number, it's only got 256 tho [21:30] mmmmm...smoked barbeque flavor cheese ruffles [21:30] LordRonin> no, haven't read the GEOS part yet.. [21:30] 1764 [21:30] have you used it with CP/M yet? [21:30] ya, that's it [21:30] Eggsnog: Think that is the 1764. Got one in the box in the shop. [21:30] cp/m? nah, never used it for that [21:31] Bryan: Chciken, it relates to the map on the cover. Starts out the adventure for the game. [21:31] as a side note, I did load a CP/M partition in my RamLink :/ [21:31] I never used CP/M except with a bare bones system [21:31] anyone hacked one to 1mb or more? [21:31] Haven't yet graduated to CP/M. :-( [21:31] 128D, 1571 and a 41 [21:32] vanessd did last i knew [21:32] ^1M [21:32] Got the 2meg Geos file for that task. Along with the parts of someone elses attempt at the hack. [21:32] I have a few CP/M games like Rogue and Pac-man [21:32] now the big question.. when hacking them, what chips have you used? [21:33] old Kaypro games [21:33] Bryan: How is the readbility of the newsletter? Got a problem with fade in and out. Even though the cart was cleaned and reinked for the issue. [21:34] Balzabaar: Can your critque the issue of The Village Green for me? [21:34] use a laser printer,i had tested my old HP 5l on the c128 with geocable,worked perfect ;) [21:34] Hmm spelling errors prove that I am sober again this wek. [21:34] hehe [21:34] LordRonin> I can see that, but it doesn't hurt the readibility.. [21:35] mech: Looking for a laser that will work with Post Print 3.8. Love the GeoCable. Although I am so used to the serial cable that I get paranoid that it isn't working. Since from laod time to print time is different {BG} [21:36] Bryan: Glad to hear that, #16 worked with the photocopy people to improve the readbility of the issue. Have to save for more refill kits and a new cart. [21:36] LR: Critique? How so? [21:36] I can say I like it. :) [21:36] Hellion_1 requested OP for Hellion_1. [21:36] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Hellion_1 [21:37] so has anyone gotten an IDE 64? [21:37] Gut impression of the layout and content of the newsletter. Understanding that it dies come from a heavy RPG group {G} [21:37] Hoi Hellion [21:37] LordRonin: not familiar with post print,but used hp's can be had on ebay for a few $$ working [21:37] Hey LR!! [21:37] Does anyone here use Demonoid or Underground Gamer or any of those type sites? [21:37] mech: I'll have to ask then on the COPS list for models tested and proven for Post Print. [21:38] mech: sweet device, huh? :) [21:38] LR, MP3-128 V3.0 is up and runing better then 128 wheels program [21:38] LR: Layout was good... I wouldn't go any smaller on the font size though.. "outlined" charachters were a bit hard to read... [21:39] BeeMan: Haven't any knowledge on that one. Could you email me some info? [21:39] O.K. [21:40] dunric_64: i prefer the cmd hd [21:40] but the ide64 is neet [21:40] Hi all [21:40] * Bryan has an IDE64 -> V3.4 (not +!) [21:40] yeah iti s. Hey eddie [21:40] Balzabaar: Point size is 14 in Times Roman bold. Changed to VillagePlain.pfa as an imported font. Yeah that comes from the TV show "The Prisoner" {G} Text for the adventure part is 12 point. What Rev Dave wanted for the adventure for Load Star. Streaks make the outline characters very hard to read this time around. [21:40] HEllo, Ed [21:40] * Balzabaar would love to have a CMD HD one day... [21:40] ide64 are, atm, vapor [21:40] beeman :) [21:41] no old ones being made [21:41] Hoi Edie the One, got to read and answer your mail. Chopped out 400 pieces before log on tonight. [21:41] no release dat on the new ones [21:41] heya LR [21:41] bummer [21:41] I considered getting one of those Lt. Kernals back in the day [21:41] Balzabaar has to talk very nice to score my one spare CMD HD. [21:42] You have a spare now, LordRonin? [21:42] * Balzabaar kneels before LordRonin, looks into his eyes with a puppy dog face, and says, "Pretty please?" ;) [21:42] that's...what...10 MB...so...54 floppies [21:43] I'm just happy that I got BBS software to work with 64HDD... for now, that'll do, although my end goal is to have everything on "real" Commodore equipment. [21:43] wtf are you taling about? [21:43] EggSnog: Eddie has one for the BBS at the moment. At least I hope it has arrived by now. Got one for a Zip Drive project and one extra with no PS. [21:43] you'd probably piss on the driv ein the middle of the night anyway [21:43] * LordRonin says to Balzabaar "Smeag Off". Gotta be much pretier and worship the C= headed goddes daily. {VBG} [21:44] which bbs balz [21:44] lt kernel was the holy grail back i nthe day [21:44] one bbs here local was using one [21:44] paul would have it buried [21:45] Most of the BBS's in Cincinnati were LTK's [21:45] * James_M still owns an LtK [21:45] Balzabaar: You missed a CMD HD on eBay last night. [21:45] LR: Not sure if you've seen my posts on various forums about the BBS... but I got to talk to Nick Smith on the phone a few days ago. [21:45] Hope to have mine a bit above bare bones by Feb for direct dial. [21:45] (author of All American BBS) [21:45] * dunric_ (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [21:45] Went cheap too. [21:45] Golan: I usually miss the good stuff. ;) [21:45] well the host adapter anyway... [21:45] Was it "buy it now" ??? [21:45] the lt. kernal I think came in 10MB configurations [21:45] Balzabaar: Had to be off for a few days. Saw that you posted and saved those msg for later reading. [21:46] anyone used a 1750 with an SX? [21:46] not i [21:46] iirc,they draw too much power [21:46] Not really, most of the ones I have sen or the two I own are flaky in the cart socket. [21:46] unless u had the 1750 clones? [21:46] i use the 1750 clone from cld [21:46] I got Dragos's SFD-1001 as a "buy it now" auction a few days ago... should be here next week. [21:46] Balzabaar> oh.. u r Wiskow? [21:47] snog, how do I kick my old nick? [21:47] * Wildstar was kicked by dragos (Wildstar) [21:47] * Wildstar (~Wildstar@71.84.161.54) has joined #c64friends [21:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Wildstar [21:47] Bryan. Yup... that's my name... ;) [21:47] * dunric_64 (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [21:47] oops [21:47] http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-128-CMD-100-MB-Hard-Drive_W0QQitemZ280061422018QQihZ018QQcate goryZ74945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [21:47] dunric_, I think it happened without ya [21:47] oh ok [21:47] * dunric_ is now known as dunric_64 [21:47] thanks [21:48] mech: Well the 1750 by itself is a power hog and IIRC I was told in the past it should only be used on the 128. I tried the clone and it was flaky in my two and a thrid from a member. Works fine in the 64c and the 128D. I sold a boxed 1764 that came with a new PS. If that makes any meanings. [21:48] So, dunric_64, any chance on anyone answering your quest for that disk you send out in 1996? [21:48] I have no idea [21:48] Hoi Wild*, your newsletter and the disks are at the shop. [21:48] It's almost a lost cause at this point [21:48] I've got the one you did in I think 1999? [21:49] C-128 40 column [21:49] egg: which one? [21:49] Dunric: Don't have that one. You did send me a 128 game disk around 2001 [21:49] well, it was the old version of the re-created one, if that makes any sense [21:49] http://www.geocities.com/dunric/apse.html [21:49] should be helpful [21:49] 1750 is fine on a '64 but needs neavy duty power supply [21:49] I'd have to double check of when I emailed you, but it was probably 99, since I didn't do much internet stuff in 96 [21:49] nice seeing you balzabaar [21:50] i must run til flake time is over :) [21:50] Golan: Thanks for the link... Not sure how I missed that one! I've been checking eBay quite frequently lately. 26 bids! wow! [21:50] egg: I didn't do much C= game coding in 1999...what was the name of the game? [21:50] Westfront [21:50] how many blocks? [21:50] It was for the 128 in 40 columns [21:51] how many blocks was the main file? [21:51] Don't know, I'd have to do a directory list on it... [21:51] ok, I'd be interested to hear [21:52] if it's near 197-206 or so, then let me know [21:52] * IceB-[B] scrolls up, sees the CMD sold for $200, cries [21:52] awe. [21:52] it's 229 [21:52] oh ok [21:52] $207.50, to be precise. ;) [21:52] does it run in 40 or 80 columns? [21:52] 40 [21:52] hmmm, weird [21:52] yeah, good deal actually. I've been kicking myself for 10 years for selling mine :) [21:53] I might be the re-created version [21:53] Did you score it Balzabaar? [21:53] it* [21:53] can you upload it somehow? [21:53] I've got a CMD [21:53] Nope... I didn't even see it until now... [21:53] I believe it is the recreated version [21:53] but it now or it goes in the trash [21:53] $207.50 is cheap (I think). I know KilrPilr was bidding on it. It's a shame he didn't get it. [21:53] it's on a 1571 disk [21:53] it only shipped to Canada which is why I didn't see it [21:53] kilr got it [21:53] hmmm...what does the directory display? that would tell me [21:54] The SFD-1001 that's on its way to me will be the "biggest" drive I'll have ever owned for my C64. [21:54] just ask him for a d64 and be done with it for christ sake [21:54] 229 WESTFRONT [21:54] 229 BACKUP [21:54] if i never hear westfornt again it will be too soo [21:54] Good for KP. He was interested in my spare one at MossyCon couple years back. [21:54] n [21:54] 5 WESTDATA [21:54] Actually, the seller would ship to anywhere in North America. [21:54] SPRITE [21:54] 3 WEST-TITLE [21:54] what did kp get? [21:54] 3 DEDICATION [21:54] 3 README.ST [21:54] yeah, that's the recreated version, unfortunately [21:54] As I understand a CMD HD [21:55] I'm sure he would, it just says ships to "CA" in the original entry so I think it won't show up in a standard US search .. dammit :) [21:55] wow [21:55] IceB: good catch! THAT's why I didn't see it! I knew I couldn't have missed that, with all my eBay checking lately! [21:55] the old version would have: [21:55] 206 WESTFRONT [21:55] 3 SPRITE [21:55] 3 WEST-TITLE [21:55] off ebay? [21:55] 74 WESTDATA [21:55] no matter...the version I uploaded on UCUG yahoo group is close to it [21:55] http://www.geocities.com/dunric/apse1.txt [21:56] BRB, getting laundry out of the dryer [21:56] * Eddie sets mode: +v LordRonin [21:56] Oh duhhh [21:56] Balzabaar: When I have some pocket money. I just type in Commodore and look at the entire listing. Found a phone that way tat even Robert had never seen. [21:56] Golan: He listed it for shipping to Canada only, so even if he * would * have shipped anywhere in N.America, it wouldn't show up on a search by a U.S. eBay'er. [21:56] * CJ just scrolls up [21:56] Thanks Eddie [21:56] anyone have a link for the cmd auction? [21:56] er, ACUG [21:56] :) [21:56] * golan gets it now [21:56] Astoria User's Group yahoo groups [21:57] Oh well. I guess that slip-up helped Leo. I'm just glad it went to someone in the community (as it were). [21:57] well I got my 64link cable today [21:57] I'll keep looking for one (just added it to my favorite search) ... too bad the going price has been about what I paid for mine new 10+ years ago [21:57] Golan: Interestingly enough, if the seller had listed it for shipping to U.S., or even Worldwide, he probably would have caught a MUCH higher selling price! [21:57] lordronin: it was probably the re-created version, too [21:58] dunric: Ah hasn't been caalled Astoria for over 10 years. Name changed this year to Anything Commodore Users Group. Previously it was Amiga & Commodore Users Group from about 94/95 [21:58] ah ok [21:58] NP [21:58] If only the IDE64 v4.0 would come out. That might tempt me back into real hardware. [21:59] Did that HD have the book and the disks as well? [21:59] here's the re-created version, if anyone wants it: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/acug 0447/files/CBM/C128/ [21:59] i cant believe maurice is still dragging [21:59] golan: I'd be more interested in IDE when they make it for the 128 than just the 64. [21:59] man,so many ppl would want cmd hd's and stuff ;/ [21:59] LordRonin: good point [22:00] LR: I like the new name... The previous one didn't "flow well", in my opinion. ;) [22:00] * LordRonin fanatically waving and jumping up and down. [22:00] the original had Smurf Village in it [22:00] 128? Feh! [22:00] yeah, C128/ 40 columns [22:00] there's also a C64 version [22:00] 80 too! [22:00] yeah, 80, too [22:00] but it's a different game [22:00] just same gaming universe [22:01] http://baf.wurb.com/if/person/544 [22:01] Balzabaar: There are reasons that are hinted at in the newsletter about the betrayal and theft of items. Which caused me to consider an all emcompassing name. I was the one that changed the name from Astoria to Amiga. Suggested it as a joke to the group. Before I was an officer. They were scared of the Escom closure at the time. [22:02] Think that it will also help to draw emulator users to the group to learn about the C= as well. [22:02] 50% of those games are C= based [22:02] a few Vic offerings [22:02] and Plus/4 [22:02] LR: Yeah, I remember you telling me that story... And after some reviewing of old posts on the ACUG group, I got a pretty good idea of what happened... [22:03] Still waiting and trying to have the situation rectified. [22:03] Be nice to have the Amiga software hardware and hard copy library back. Along with other things. [22:04] Golan: Guess I'll have to start doing more searching on ebay.ca for stuff... ;) [22:05] LR: The auction description for that CMD HD says "The drive is in working order, and includes serial and parallel cables, manual (not shown in photograph), and utility disc." [22:05] Weird question for the night! anyone ever se or work with a disk called "The Visable Computer 6502"? Copy I have won't load or give a directory. [22:06] If you snag a situation where someone won't ship outside Canada, let me know. I can always have them ship here and then reship. It's a hassle but if it's the only way, it's the only way. [22:06] Balzabaar: There are two disks in the manual. One the HD tools disk and I can7t remember the other one at the moment. My manuals are at the shop. :-( [22:06] golan: I'll keep you in mind along with KP on that one. [22:06] * niedobry (~bbrindle@ip24-254-142-122.rn.hr.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [22:07] Hoi niedobry [22:07] Golan: Thanks for the offer! [22:07] Evening all [22:07] The Visable Computer 6502? is it by Commodore? [22:07] Reverse shipping thing is fine with my group as well. For those that can't get the product from the states into Cananda [22:08] dunric: I don't think so. Its down in the shop at the moment. [22:08] * Dopple (~Dopple@cpe-72-225-53-131.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [22:08] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Dopple [22:08] Hoi Dopple [22:08] * MikeC (~MikeC@host-208-65-244-44.dyn.295.ca) has joined #c64friends [22:08] heya [22:08] Hoi MickeC [22:08] hey dopple, mike [22:08] 'lo all! [22:08] it's like, busy and stuff. Oh yea, sat nite. [22:08] Hi guys [22:08] I think people are scared off by the border but in reality, it isn't much of a hurdle. Cashing US cheques in Canada or vice versa, that's a drag. Luckily we have PayPal et al now. [22:08] Golan: I'd do the same... :-) [22:08] Good Nigiht, Seasons Greetings the beeman [22:09] Hey and hey, sorry I'm addicted to Wesnoth right now [22:09] BCNU BeeMan and Happy holidays [22:09] Lots of my Christmas shopping was from the U.S. Stuff arrived in a couple of days just as if I had ordered it from down the street. [22:09] * BeeMan (~Javauser@225-8.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:09] PayPal'eh [22:09] Hey Mike! Enjoying your iMac? [22:09] I've been buying and selling on eBay since March '99... I've always listed items I sell as "worldwide"... I really can't fathom why people are scared of the rest of the world. [22:09] Yeah looks like I will have to use that to pay for the mags I am getting from Athaens Greece. Since it has to be in Euros. [22:10] that's a bummer, lord [22:10] we have a helluva time shipping stuff to our canadian wineries. Gonna be an issue now since we bought Vincor. [22:10] Especially bugged me when I was stationed in Japan... I had a U.S. address (FPO military address) that anyone in the U.S. could ship to via USPS for the same price as anywhere else in the U.S.... [22:10] Not reaaly Dunric. Just saving up the bread is the problem. But it will be a large collection of paper and disk mags. [22:10] shipping outside us is a pain [22:10] cant track it well [22:11] rock on [22:11] depends how you ship [22:11] that's a good catch [22:11] yet there were people that would not ship to FPO... bugged the hell out of me... Sometimes I'd write to them and ask them to explain their "anti-military shipping policy" [22:11] canada's online tracking is a joke [22:11] it's better than it used to be [22:11] Hi Golan, actually, more the wife enjoying the iMac than myself. [22:11] Canada Post's is a joke, Canada the country doesn't have its own tracking system yet :) [22:11] PhotoJim: thats like saying a car with 3 wheels is better than 2.. lol [22:11] Mike: Always the way. [22:11] UPS tracking to/from Canada is good, and so is FedEx's, but they are pricey [22:11] mech: lol, well, tracking is a luxury. as long as the package arrives I'm happy. [22:12] mech: what's a pain? the customs form? Otherwise, the cost is just higher. And if buyers are willing to pay the higher shipping price, I don't have a problem shipping. [22:12] PhotoJim: ups is expesnive to canada [22:12] tracking is pretty good overall, although I've had a few problems getting C= stuff from Quebec [22:12] mech: yup, and they charge brokerage fees unless you ship express. [22:12] Balzabaar: tracking and the customs forms [22:12] i've been ripped off 4x getting stuff from canada [22:12] just disappeared into thin air [22:12] could be customs [22:12] and never EVER take a canadian postal money order [22:13] lost $50 that way [22:13] Australia and France are fairly reliable [22:13] Never had any problems in my buys from Canada from Bruce Thomas. Just slow to arrive. [22:13] i've sent all over the world,australia,NZ,germany,even turkey,and have not had the problems i ran into with canada [22:14] Another thing that bugs me is people that list items to ship to "lower 48 only"... what the hell is "lower 48"? Every state except Alaska and Maine? Cause those two are the "highest"... ;) [22:14] sounds about right...most UK stuff took 2 weeks [22:14] mech: US postal money orders are a problem too, unless you have a $US bank account [22:14] UK is smooth for the things I have sent and received. Same for Germany. [22:14] Balzabaar: alaska and hawaii [22:14] lower 48 would be the mainland US [22:14] Balzabaar: lower 48 = US less HI and AK [22:14] Took forever to get my package from Sweden... Machinae Supremacy CD and tshirt. [22:14] Dopple did you have it shipped surface? If so that can take 6-8 weeks. [22:14] Balzabaar, sometimes people forget about alaska and hawaii [22:14] Is there software out there that allows me to use the SCPU RAM as a RAMDrive? [22:14] I'm thinking about getting a subscription to Retro Gamer. It's 80 UK pounds which is close to $200 Canadian. [22:14] my wife got me a Christmas present from London... one week. and I'm in nowhere, Canada. [22:15] eeek [22:15] LordRonin, i dont remember how they shipped it... [22:15] PhotoJim and Mech: Yeah, I know what they MEAN... But the proper term is "contiguous states"... "Lower 48" just doesn't make sense. [22:15] Balza: "continental US" is the phrase I use. :) I agree with you. [22:15] golan: it's running me ~100 a year US for a subscription ... I think it's possible to get it cheaper [22:15] Balza; although technically, AK is continental. [22:15] * Mech_ (4k@dialup-4.227.11.20.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:15] i suspect there are thieves in the canada postal system,but have no proof ;) [22:16] IceB: Where did you get a subscription for $100 US? That would be a heck of a savings for me. [22:16] PhotoJim: Yeah, that's why "contiguous" is the correct term. [22:16] * CJ (~Cyberjank@c-69-253-103-69.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:16] golan: I get Black and White Photography from England. I only get it a week slower than the British subscribers. [22:16] I think there's a US distributor .. lemme look [22:16] I would kill her if she paid $200/yr :D [22:16] In fact, it's $16.50 per issue so there isn't much savings if I subsciber. Just the peace of mind of knowing I won't miss any issues. [22:16] * M3ch (4k@dialup-4.227.11.20.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:16] * M3ch (4k@dialup-4.227.11.20.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) Quit (Client Quit) [22:16] golan: and the convenience. [22:17] The magazines I subscribe to are 4x4 and off-road magazines... generally about $10-15/yr :) [22:17] On the other hand, if it gets lost in shipping I'm screwed whereas if I buy it in person... [22:17] golan: I save a few bucks on my magazine, but I like not having to go fetch it. [22:17] Eddie: I'm not sure but a fst llok atthe start of my SCPU manualk and I have the idea that it may be posible. [22:17] Maybe "lower 48" is a term that came about during that one year between when Alaska became a state and Hawaii still wasn't. [22:17] golan: if it gets lost in shipping, it'll be in the stores around when you give up, so... [22:17] Balza: they became states the same day though. [22:18] Jim: But then I'm paying twice! [22:18] ah okay.. it's 80 pounds for 13 issues.. I think they're only 6 times a year currently [22:18] I thought there was a 1 year gap... but who knows... I wasn't around yet... ;) [22:18] Balza: nope, it was simultaneous. [22:18] it used to be once a month until they were bought [22:18] Balza: I think legally there was a two-hour difference, because of the time zone difference. [22:18] OK... I'll take your word for it... Well, there goes THAT explanation... ;) [22:18] "The term "the lower 48 (states)" arose before Hawaii became a state, and is no longer accurate since Hawaii is the southernmost state of the Union." [22:18] 80 pounds is pretty expensive for 13 issues [22:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_United_States [22:19] yeah it is [22:19] Moloch: My point exactly. [22:19] MERRY XMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [22:19] * mech (4k@dialup-4.227.106.134.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [22:19] I still bought it :) [22:19] GUD JUL! [22:19] IceB: Yeah, 80GBP for 13 issues (thought it was 12). Hrm. [22:19] bye bye [22:19] * smjulmust (smj@ukato.freeshell.ORG) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:19] I subscribed to the last issues of Loadstar :) [22:19] * Balzabaar steps away to change out loads of laundry... BRB! [22:19] dopple: did LS fold? [22:20] Retro Gamer is an awesome magazine. This 64-oriented issue is the first I've seen and it's awesome. I would love to get this every month or two. [22:20] golan: is it a current issue? [22:20] dunric_64, yea, Dave is only pubslishing through 256 I think [22:20] hmmm that's a definite bummer [22:20] yea [22:21] what's the current issue? [22:21] I've been getting loadstar since the 80's [22:21] but Retro Gamer is a good mag... I currently pick it up at Barnes & Noble or Borders and it is about $13.00 each issue.. [22:21] I think 246 is the current one [22:21] 238? [22:21] PhotoJim: I think it is two issues behind. Th 64 issue is #30 and they're showing #32 on their website. [22:21] oh [22:21] cool [22:21] golan: can you buy #30 in Canada now? or did I miss it? [22:21] There was only a short time that I didn't subscribe to loadstar... [22:21] My girlfriend bought me #30 yesterday so I'm sure you can get it. We're obviously behind. [22:21] well, LS content has always been pretty solid [22:21] It even has an article about Lode Runner. I swear, I'm in love. [22:22] golan: cool. I'll pop by Chapters after Christmas then. no intention of going tomorrow. :) [22:22] When I was between jobs in the 90's... but other than that, either my dad or I have been getting loadstar for a long time [22:22] And I bought the Compleat Loadstar from Fender Tucker, too [22:22] next issue is about the Amiga CD32 .. which is perfect since I collect for it [22:22] nice [22:22] * Mech_ needs cd32 games [22:22] it seems like I haven't get an issue of LoadStar for awhile... [22:22] dunric perhaps, but I just wish that Rev Dave wold send out rejection slips or something like that. Rather than let people hang for a couple of years not knowing if the submissions made the grade or not. [22:23] Bryan, yea, 246 came out a month or more ago [22:23] yeah that would help [22:23] You know, now that I think about I remember a sign at the magazine shop saying they sell their own subscriptions. [22:23] * Balzabaar is BAK! [22:23] I think I'm up to 50 or so CD32 originals [22:23] I would think he woulnd't need to reject much, I mean, there can't be a flood of software coming in... [22:23] * LordRonin needs CD/TV disks [22:23] I should see what they want for Retro Gamer. It might be a good comprimise. [22:24] I sent Rev. Dave a check for 6 issues of LoadStar on 5.25" disks... AFAIK, he still hasn't cashed it... And I sent him the check over a month ago. [22:24] I have little for the CDTV [22:24] He did tell me he got the check, so I know it wasn't lost in the mail. [22:24] Balzabaar, why not get them in email? it's cheaper. [22:24] Dopple: Well I can't say on that. Sent him several files in zipped .D64, like about 6 disks worth at his request. Nothing back from him. [22:24] D64 [22:24] good way to use it [22:24] I get them in D81 format [22:24] way easier. [22:24] :) no disk flipping [22:25] cool [22:25] D81 format is good [22:25] Speaking of CDTV.... Anyone have a black keyboard for the CDTV??? [22:25] yea [22:25] I do with a broken "2" key [22:25] IceB: be interested. Think I have in the box a couple CD32 items. But my CD/TV {traded a hobbit jigsaw for it} is at WB 1.3 [22:25] can you use a PS/2 101 style? [22:25] Dopple: I know... I just love getting 5.25" disks in the mail, though... ;) [22:25] Yuppers along with the mouse for the CD/TV [22:25] i have the black kbd,mouse and floppy for my cdtv [22:25] I have just got one and am starting to play with it.. (CDTV) [22:26] Balzabaar, ha, I found some DS/DD 5.25's in the software cabinet at work... I bet i'm the only one in the company with any 5.25" floppy drives [22:26] cdtv is hard to expand tho [22:26] hehe [22:26] I used to send 5.25" disks back and forth with Will Corley back in the old days... I think I've got every utility program he ever wrote. [22:26] Dopple: Stick the important data in C= format on the disks. Call it great job security {LOL} [22:26] There is a Black CDTV floppy drive on EBAY, but it is too much to ship to the US... [22:26] For sure, every version of Lynx ever written, from Lynx I all the way to XVII. [22:26] it is... I occasionally hook a standard Amiga floppy drive to it and play some games on the TV. [22:26] lord :) [22:26] Does anyone know what happened to him??? [22:27] LordRonin, damn, good idea. I'm sure I have enough floppies to store a DVD worth of data... well, maybe... [22:27] I burned most of my C= collection on CD [22:27] Balzabaar: Reminds me to try to collect all the Lynx versions for the upcoming BBS [22:27] i wish i had the black cdtv wireless mouse [22:27] hard to find [22:27] I was using cbm4win and imaging some of mine... mainly got my utilities imaged. [22:27] I've been lucky.. I haven't found a bad C64 disk in my batches yet from 1988-1994 [22:27] Gotta go thru my games and image them, too [22:27] LordRonin: Get the BBS up, and I'll upload 'em! :) [22:27] Dopple: Well I have a couple hundred still in sealed boxes if you need more. [22:28] Mech: They say those wireless mice work terrible. [22:28] ice: nice...that's good longevity [22:28] I've got several versions of Akrive and Library, too... [22:28] LordRonin, I have about 800 blanks or so [22:28] yea,i'd just like to have one [22:28] :) [22:28] * niedobry (~bbrindle@ip24-254-142-122.rn.hr.cox.net) has left #c64friends [22:28] LordRonin, plus a few hundred 3.5DD floppies [22:28] So, i'm all set [22:28] speaking of BBSes ... if anyone has any Cbase mods/games... etc (and I've begged just about everywhere now).. please be so kind and upload em to the bbs :D [22:28] * MikeC (~MikeC@host-208-65-244-44.dyn.295.ca) Quit (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]) [22:28] * Dopple is a horder, which is why he has all this crap. [22:28] Balzabaar: Great idea Hope to have it ready for calls in a couple of months. File areas will be highly delineated. I subdivide like mad {G} [22:29] LordRonin, thanks for the offer tho :) [22:29] 800 5.25" blanks? [22:29] Dopple: You lookin' to get rid of any? 'cause Charles of 8-Bit Designs is looking to buy a few hundred... [22:29] dunric_64, yea, close to it. [22:29] wow [22:29] Balzabaar, Find Coleman's Surplus on Ebay, they're selling lots of 500 for a good price [22:29] Balzabaar, i think it's a military surplus store... they're in Pennsylvania [22:29] Disks? [22:29] Dopple: Thanks for the tip... I'll pass it on to him. [22:30] yes, disks.. [22:30] Speaking again on BBS's. I'm hunting for Color64 and V-128 games to convert to Centipede. Really hunting hard for Surf Cruisers Shadowruner game. [22:30] lemme find [22:30] I can definitely verify that the Save-With-Replace bug exists [22:30] http://cgi.ebay.com/DISK-FLOPPY-5-25-LOT-OF-500-DISKS_W0QQitemZ260066678152QQihZ016QQcategory Z11164QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [22:30] There ya go [22:30] even if you use 0@: it can still strike [22:30] Dopple: Wow, you're fast... hahahahaha [22:31] They were a bit cheaper when I bought them... [22:31] Balzabaar, yea, and I'm only on a 366mhz laptop too :) [22:31] I'll send some to you if I come across em if you do the same :/ ... back in the day I had 30+ mods.. I've only been able to find 6 currently. I can't believe they weren't archived :/ [22:31] Balzabaar: Have chales email me. He was #44 on the old BBS and doesn't know it died out. Maybe I can help him out with a few sealed boxes of Verbatium disks. [22:31] Why not just buy the disks new? [22:31] I'm stuck with a dial-up connection right now, temporarily... so it takes me a while... ;) [22:31] these things are new [22:32] that's a good deal, I got 100 last year from Ebay for $20 [22:32] LR: Okay, I'll let him know... I've met up with him a few times, he helped me restore a couple dead 1541's... Good guy... [22:32] nice [22:32] oh, roadrunner just upped their speed in our area to abotu 10mbps [22:32] Not to mention he's done 90% of the testing on my BBS. [22:32] Dopple: Ah can you email that url to me? Can't write it down and I'm on the 128 in Wave. [22:32] cable modem access is really fast here around the Rochester, NY area [22:32] LordRonin, email addy? [22:33] Balzabaar: We had some good talks on the BBS. Sadly all of the information so I could write him snail mail is on the HD in the hands of Maurice. [22:33] Dopple: lordronin@vcsweb.com [22:33] Dopple: Wow! $49.95 for 500! That's a great price. [22:33] vcsweb? atari 2600 vcs? [22:34] wow,a500's were $5 [22:34] lol [22:34] WOW!!! I paid from a company 9 yars ago $100 plus shipping in lots of 500 for loose ones. [22:34] Mech: 500 floppy disks, not an A500. ;) [22:34] dunric: Nope, got my email with Rod and Gaelyne at vcsweb. [22:35] it's actually somewhat high for an A500 :) [22:35] oh sorry :) [22:35] amazing that an A500 is worth less than floppy disks :) [22:35] heh [22:35] Mech: You interested in an A500 with a Trifecta HD plugin? [22:35] free? [22:35] They had A500's at Game Plus in the mid-90s for $125 [22:35] Running WB 3.1 [22:36] $$? [22:36] Mech: Ah dum ork no unnner stand dat word "free" {VBG} [22:37] I just paid around $50 for 40 DSDD 48TPI disks and 20 DSDD 96TPI ("quad density") disks... Wish I had seen this guy's lot of 500 disks a week ago! [22:37] Mech: To the best of my understanding. The unit is fully populated to the max with Ram as well. Looking for around $175 for the unit and including the trifecta with the HD mech. [22:37] that's still not a bad price...but $50 for 500 is hard to beat [22:37] lol [22:37] i'll have to pass [22:37] Of course, mine come in slick looking black Athana boxes... So *that* makes it worthwile... (not!) [22:38] my 500 has 3.1 and csa derringer 030/50 with 32M of 32bit ram already [22:38] my favorite disks are Maxell, Fuji Film and Memorex [22:38] have A590 and gvp hcII+8 [22:38] * IceB-[B] pats his 4000T [22:38] OOoo [22:38] :) [22:38] I scored it back from an old U.G. member. Still working on the tests and trying to learn what I can about it. As it is Amiga and not C=64/128 [22:38] * Hellion_1 pats the desk where a 4000T might sit someday... [22:39] Are they still making new Amigas? Commodore? [22:39] * LordRonin lovingly storkes this 128D [22:39] took me forever to get it :) 060/50Mhz, Cybervision64, Xsurf3, 20GB [22:39] * IceB-[B] strokes his... [22:39] ermm [22:39] * IceB-[B] realizes he's in the wrong channel for that [22:39] IceB-[B]: on my A4000 mediator now ;) [22:39] Dunric: Well #16 has the new AmigaOne. [22:39] cool [22:39] Mech: Ooooo.. I thought about getting a mediator [22:39] Sounds like a take off from the C= One [22:40] how is it? [22:40] excellent [22:40] Came before the C-1 [22:40] oh ok [22:40] 4kt there and yer on a mac? :D [22:40] Did Escom ever sell Amiga? [22:40] after they bought Commodore? [22:40] Mech: heh.. I haven't got the screenmode to work on this LCD properly yet :) [22:41] Yeah it went to Gateway2000 and now to a specific Amiga group. Past that I am not keeping up on the story. [22:41] hmmm [22:41] I think I used my Amiga 2000 once [22:41] I'm just the fanatical C= user. [22:41] the C-One will output to it just fine, the Cybervision is being a pain [22:41] I never got into the Amiga much...to un-Commodore-like [22:42] In fact spent the day working in the shop on the newsletter for next month. Game maps for the game group. All in GeoWrite and GeoPaint today. [22:42] too* [22:42] Commodore to me has always been 64/128/etc [22:42] never amiga [22:42] but that's just been my experience [22:42] yea,most c64 guys arent too open minded [22:42] hmm didn't Escom go bankrupt shortly after they bought C=? [22:42] althought i was diehard c64 [22:43] Bryan: yea [22:43] Amiga isn't Commodore to me, but it's still fun. it was my main machine for many years, the A500. [22:43] well, I had an Amiga, actually...just never used it much [22:43] Own a 1200 that needs a new HD. But I can7t figure out how to use the bugger. Was going to sell it but the club decided that once it is restored to use it as the groups Amiga platform. So i sort of donated it to the club. [22:43] Get frustrated with the Amiga. Have more enjoyment with the C=64/128 [22:44] yup [22:44] Think that it is because I feel more in control of things on the C=64/128 than the Amiga. [22:44] I enjoyed playing A500 games in the stores, but to me, it was really just a glorified Sega Genesis [22:44] haha [22:44] omg [22:44] I loved the Amiga. I ran a BBS on it and played games simultaneously. [22:44] not all games would multitask, but a surprising number would. [22:45] Sort of think the same way. Like Playing Wings and Knights of the Sky. But it is just a game machine to me. [22:45] SimCity did. :) [22:45] dunric_64: sadly most never got past the 500,so they never saw what could be done [22:45] PJ: What did you use for the BBS OS? [22:45] I saw the 2000, and that's what I used from time to time, but never seriously [22:45] LordRonin: I used TransAmiga BBS, and ran TrapDoor as my FidoNet front end. [22:45] graphically, the Amiga and the Sega Genesis seemed much the same [22:46] LordRonin: I was the Canadian support hub for TransAmiga for a couple of years. [22:46] Local members have 1000, 500, several 2000s some with HDs, at least one 3000, broken 4000 and the AmigaOne and my 1200. But all local members are more 128 users than Amiga. [22:46] hardware-wise, the amiga was superior of course, but the Genesis had better games in my opinion [22:46] Phantasy Star II-IV, Herzog Zwei, Sonic, etc. [22:47] dunric_64> the Amiga had better graphics! HAM! [22:47] LordRonin: broken 4k up for sale? [22:47] I have a large amount of Amiga stuff, but I have more fun with my C64 stuff [22:47] PJ: That is one I haven't heard before. The reason I ask is that there is talk here of also running an Amiga BBS along with the C= 128 one. [22:47] didn't use the machine, but knows so much ... [22:47] bak [22:47] bryan: true, but I didn't see much of a difference, really [22:47] well, our washing machine took a dive... won't drain. gotta pull it apart and see what's going on' [22:47] Mech: Not that I know. Battery leaked on the mother board. Owner is looking into saving up for a repair. [22:47] the Genesis, Turbo-Graphx and Super Nintendo all seemed very similar...same with the Amiga [22:47] LordRonin: ah ok [22:48] it was photo-realistic! errgh.. [22:48] LordRonin: I liked it because it was inexpensive, but it was also quite good. If I'd had the money, I probably would have run DLG. a friend ran one. the authors of DLG were from Saskatoon, just up the highway from me. [22:48] The Genesis probably had the best hardware. [22:48] I was impressed with a set up I saw in the dealers room at a sci-fi convention a few years ago. guy was using an Amiga to take photos and overlay them into scnes for the customers. [22:48] possibly...I liked the Phantasy Star series A LOT [22:49] I have a TG16, and a few Genesis's... and a 32x, and the sega cd... [22:49] DLG is now freeware (just released a few months ago) and the author is quite quick at answering any emails for help on it [22:49] The Genesis is my "newest" game console. [22:49] that was my favorite RPG for years [22:49] * Bryan like the Phantasie series :) [22:49] Shining in the Darkness was fun, too [22:49] I've got a Pong game from Sears (made by Atari), and an Intellivision (my favorite). :D [22:49] IceB-[B]: my friend (who now lives in Tampa) told me that. :) I've been tempted to download it. [22:49] PJ* If the idea bears fruit. I'll have to talk more with you on the different Amiga BBSs. I remember something about Amos for one of them and that with a touch of work Amiga infocom games could become doorgames. [22:49] I liked the original Phantasy Star on the Sega Master system... I still have it [22:50] dopple: yup, that was fun, too [22:50] Photo: I used to run it wayy back on an Amiga 600 in 1992.. I thought about running it again when I contacted him :) [22:50] I have a RCA Home TV PRogrammer hanging around somewhere, and an Odyssey I, and two Odyssey 2's [22:50] although my battery was somewhat flaky and it didn't always save progress [22:50] LordRonin: absolutely. TA and DLG are the only ones I really know much about. there was another (Hyperion?) that a local guy ran too, but I never really saw it from the sysop end. [22:50] IceB-[B]: well, you should do it :) [22:51] LR: There's a guy in Chicago that runs a BBS on an Amiga 4000T... It's called Omega BBS. [22:51] Photo: I went with a C64 BBS for now :) [22:51] I upgraded by Synchronet 3.x BBS to a C64 Cbase board :D [22:51] PJ* The oen that the "show-vah" was starting to run for the group, was on C/Net 11 IIRC. But he could never get the key file. All of that is now lost to us anyway. [22:51] did anyone ever use Silicon Realms BBS? [22:51] It is shockingly difficult to find a Fat Boys CD. [22:52] IceB-[B]: well, that's cool too :) although it would be fun to use VoIP lines (with good modems :) ) to have a multiline Amiga BBS. you could hook up one or more lines to some sort of telnet server reasonably easily, too, if you could get a multi-serial card. [22:52] Blazabaar: Thanks for the info. But at the moment since something happened to those 1010 numbers. I'm out LD service. [22:52] 'exit [22:52] Whoops. Sorry. L8er all. [22:52] There's a good TCP/IP->modem emulator for the Amiga, I tried out DLG on it and it worked fine [22:52] * fotograf (~Javauser@CPE000fb5652315-CM000f212fb25a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:52] LordRonin: that's too bad. I kept my TransAmiga and TrapDoor keys (if the disk is still good) so in theory I could run my BBS again. [22:52] it's a serial.device type clone [22:53] Good Night all! [22:53] photo: what BBS did you run? [22:53] night hellion [22:53] IceB-[B]: cool. you can run one on a Linux or Windows box and to the Amiga (or C64) it just seems like a modem. that's another option. [22:53] * Hellion_1 (~Hellion_1@h69-130-178-180.69-130.unk.tds.net) Quit [22:53] BCNU Hellion [22:53] LR: He runs one dial-up line, and several Telnet nodes... I could find out what the Telnet address is for you, if you like. Just thought you might want to talk with the SysOp about what software he's running. [22:53] dunric_64: my Amiga BBS was called MEBBS ][ (1:140/140 on FidoNet). I also ran one on the C64 in '85 on home-written software. [22:53] nice [22:53] LR: I'm Amiga-dumb, so it's all out of my area. ;) [22:53] PJ* We lost a lot to that one guy. To the point the group was frozen for 7 months. But we are back and rebuilding. Yeah even the Amiga stuff as well {G} [22:53] BBSs were fun [22:54] my dad used to have a tricked out A2000 [22:54] seems like all the C= hardware we had, we really added stuff to [22:54] Photo: that too.. I have an ethernet card in 2 of my miggies so I didn't need to do that. I might reconsider putting up an Amiga BBS. I've had my BBS running on Synchronet for 5+ years but no one really called so I figured I'd go back to my roots and use my original C64 board [22:54] LordRonin: P) [22:54] C= stuff is the last fun machine of the era [22:54] IceB-[B]: cool. you really are set up for it. [22:54] in 1995 or so, my IBM PC compatible only had a 2400 baud modem, so calling up BBSs was slow [22:55] * Balzabaar invites everyone to call his BBS: Cottonwood BBS: (951)242-3593 ... now running up to 2400 baud! [22:55] * dunric_64 agrees with mech [22:55] Had two 500MB HDD's in the amiga, bridgeboard, 25mhz 030 board, 386 in the bridgeboard was upgraded to a 486/50 [22:55] and I've already spammed everywhere, but while we're on the topic... particlesbbs.dyndns.org ... crash my Cbase bbs [22:55] ah.. Bal beat me to the spam :D [22:55] I had 300 bps in '84, 1200 in '86, 2400 in '89, 14.4k in '94, and 56k in '98 :) [22:55] Balzabaar: Know what you mean. I destroyed a mess of good Amiga disks becasue I didn't know that I had to boot them directly and not from the screen. Thought they were bad. Oh well they became 1581 disks so it isn't a loss. Cause if it don't start with an "El Shift OH" not that interesting to me. {SEG} [22:55] photo: nice. did you archive anything from it? [22:56] Balzabaar: oh, that's you! I didn't know that. I tried to call once, but couldn't connect. [22:56] I destroyed 30 or so Amiga disks when I first got my 500 cauz I didn't know about bootsector viruses :/ [22:56] * Balzabaar hides in the shadows after his shameful plugging... hehehehehehe [22:56] dunric_64: I kept a tape backup of the system as it was when I shut it down. [22:56] cool [22:56] photo: you should post it for others [22:56] the source, I mean [22:57] oh, I don't have the source. of the Amiga BBS, if that's what you mean. the C64 one, I'm not sure if I have the source for that either but if I do I will. [22:57] PhotoJim: You might try again... Running "new" software and hardware now. [22:57] IceB: Wrote that down and will try to give you a call with the Wave. [22:57] cool [22:57] USENET and BBS...the best days of the net, IMHO [22:57] Balzabaar: yep, I just need to dig up a modem again. I want to call using my VoIP line and my 1670 just won't do it, but my USR V.Everything will do it. [22:57] Lord: thank you sir... Bal was on there earlier finding bugs [22:57] Fidonet. [22:58] LR: Not sure if you've gotten around to sending you the e-mail I sent you today... but just so ya know... there's a "gift" for you in there. ;) [22:58] ICeB: null persiration Chummer. Will try from the telnet prompt at vcsweb as well. But "sir"? Resigned my commission back in 71 {G} [22:58] PhotoJim: Don't even get me started on VoIP and Commodore modems... errrggghh... [22:59] heh [22:59] still can't believe the people at AT&T told me that their "Modem & Fax Support" setting was only for Fax's and wouldn't support modems! [22:59] Balzabaar: lol... modern modems do it fine. I got a full 56k connection using VoIp once. that's not even possible on a real landline. calling my own landline I get 33.6kbps in both directions. [22:59] Balzabaar: Saw a private one to me in the stack. Didn7t look at it yet. Do that tomorrow. A gift? Hmm have to read what that might be. [22:59] night everyone [22:59] * dunric_64 (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Do fish get thirsty?) [23:00] LR: I won't spoil the surprise for you... ;) [23:00] PhotoJim, what voip service you have? [23:00] Balzabaar: I don't even tell Qworse what i am doing with my line. Just note in the memo of the cheque each month that it is for the BBS. [23:00] Dopple: I've got Primus Canada with 306 and 416 inbound numbers, and Vonage with a 780. [23:00] PhotoJim: Yeah, I was able to use the 56Kbps modem in my laptop just fine on the VoIP line... but older modems weren't hackin' it. [23:01] PhotoJim, vonage been good? I bought a motorola vonage voip box for $25 at walmart, was on clearance. [23:01] Balz: that matches my experiences alright. My guess is a 300 bps modem would work ok but I haven't tried it. [23:01] * MikeAZ1 (~MikeAZ1@c-69-139-187-86.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]) [23:01] So now I'm back to a "real" phone line... Much better for what I'm doing... [23:01] Dopple: I like Vonage. no local numbers though (for me). the quality is good. [23:01] I had trouble with people calling in using vonage. They would get dropped from the board. Messages in mail as well as live chats where full of garbage characters. [23:02] PhotoJim, I was thinking of running both my POTS and VOIP for a while, then switching my main landline number to voip if i like it [23:02] Balz: if you could get voip working reliably, you could have a local # from a large city to give more people the ability to call for free from a landline, but that's not a huge issue anymore. [23:02] Dopple: mail just arrived, thanks very much! [23:02] PhotoJim: Don't bother... I even tried hooking up my Commodore 1660 to try "true" 300 baud... but it was no better. [23:02] LordRonin, no prob... i sent it about 15 minutes ago :) [23:02] Dopple: that's not a bad idea. we still don't have number portability here so I still have a landline, but it will probably only be a few months before I can disconnect it. [23:03] PhotoJim, does vonage let you pick whatever number you want inside an area? [23:03] Dopple: Well it has to bounce around from your eventually to Todd in Florida and then back across the continent to me in Oregon. [23:03] Balz: oh, that's too bad. I'll probably still try because I'm curious, though. [23:03] PhotoJim: Yeah, I had big plans for the VoIP thing... but that's all been scrapped now... oh well, it was educational if nothing else. [23:03] LordRonin, with 90% of the email being spam, it's amazing that it makes it there at all. [23:03] Dopple: they assign you a number. you can pick the city so that you know it's a local call from where you live (or from where you want to be called from). but you can't pick the number itself. [23:04] Dopple: I got lucky with my 780 number though. it has a great mnemonic. :) [23:05] Dopple: Got the spamassassin levels just a touch above what Rod had originally set them for me. but I still get spam. Waht is worse, a mail list I am on for a game. Was down for almost a month. Rebuilt and there is a flood of information, almost 2oo pieces in just two days. [23:05] ...waiting to hear the mnemoni [23:06] Snog: I was thinking the same thing... ;) [23:07] LordRonin, sheesh. I hate spam. I'm actually not against charging $.01 per email message sent. [23:07] oh hell, I'll stop PMing [23:07] my 7-digit phone number is NOW COLD [23:07] How was that easy for you to remember? [23:07] PhotoJim: Hmm... that gives me an idea... I'll have to see if the BBS line spells something cute.. ;) [23:08] Balzabaar: http://www.phonespell.org [23:08] Dopple: Ah i love spam. {EG} None of it applies to my life style. So I just happen to select a few that make it past on adverts and aske them to send the information on 1541, 1571, 1581 or FD disks in GeoWrite or in standard Pet. Amazingly I don't get any repleis and that spammer doesn't contact me again {VBESG} [23:08] EggSnog: NOW COLD is very easy to remember, especially when you consider that Edmonton's at 54 North latitude and is a pretty nipply place :) [23:08] Balzabaar: I think that I may still have a C= prg that will do that for you. [23:10] OK second weird question for the night. Does anyone have a prg to catalogue and or index books? [23:10] * Balza (balza@66-81-21-232.socal.dialup.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [23:11] can someone boot "Balzabaar" for me? [23:11] We're using the Compute Gazette magazine one for the mag collection. But need something for books and manuals. [23:11] * Balzabaar was kicked by dragos (Balzabaar) [23:11] dial-up crapped out on me again. [23:11] * golan (~golan@CPE001310a1a973-CM000039a99662.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: I adore my 64, my Commodore 64.) [23:11] this happens. [23:12] wouldn't any database prg work? [23:12] I was having big trouble with my WiFi earlier, but I changed the channel and it seems to be okay again. I noticed some new APs in the neighbourhood and think someone else stole my channel and was interfering enough to cause me grief. [23:12] Thanks Dragos. [23:12] np [23:12] Don't know as that is a filed that we are weakin, understanding the use of a data base prg. Wanted something that could be put on a disk for members to see a listing of books in our library. [23:13] DCMR could do the job easy enough [23:13] * Stephan (~digit@adsl-77-225-240.rmo.bellsouth.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:13] However that can wait till next week. Got the word it is time to split for the night. See you all next saturday. [23:13] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:13] He probably didn't see that... [23:14] * Squatdog (~pepito@203-59-210-222.dyn.iinet.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 369 seconds) [23:16] Snog: I use DCMR for my database of software... Great, simple program. :) [23:16] Anyone make their hotel reservation for C=4 yet? [23:17] That sounded unanimous [23:17] Snog: Wish I could go! I'll have to wait for the next event closer to home... Probably in Las Vegas? [23:17] * Squatdog (~pepito@203-59-210-222.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #c64friends [23:17] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Squatdog [23:18] wb Squatdog [23:19] dcmr wouldn't necessarily be my first choice for indexing a list of books, but it's easy enough to work with, alot of people have used the prg [23:19] Depends on how long the book titles are [23:21] yeah, as long as they're 16 charachters or less, you're set! hehehehe [23:21] a sequential listing would probably be adequate also [23:22] g'nite everyone, gotta git to sleep [23:22] niters Dopple [23:22] CCCC's sale listing is put togther with Superbase [23:23] * Dopple (~Dopple@cpe-72-225-53-131.rochester.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Toodles.) [23:23] I'm off too. night. :) [23:23] I'm going to have to run, too... [23:24] * PhotoJim is now known as PJimAFK [23:24] Been nice chattin' with everyone tonight. [23:24] Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good night! ;) [23:24] * IceB-[B] heads to bed.. bbl [23:24] * IceB-[B] (~ice@adsl-65-67-67-81.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) [23:25] * Balza (balza@66-81-21-232.socal.dialup.o1.com) Quit (Quit: Buh-bye!) [23:25] I think we are all tuckered out from Christmas shopping :) [23:26] * destined (~chatzilla@dialup-4.242.195.186.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [23:26] Howdy destined [23:26] Good evening Snogpitch [23:26] Looks like I missed the chat again. oh well.. "despaired.." [23:27] well, it's the last 1/2 hour [23:27] Yeah, true [23:27] But most people are gone by 8:30 my time. [23:27] I know I'm falling asleep, been at work today from 11-8 [23:27] Most of the people I want to talk to. [23:27] ouch [23:27] ;-) Go get some sleep.. [23:28] I will in about 1/2 hour :) [23:28] Did I miss Robert and LR? [23:28] * Squatdog- (~pepito@203-59-194-118.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #c64friends [23:28] I bryan and wildstar are here [23:28] hey aquatdog [23:28] hey squatdog [23:28] yo [23:29] squatdog: nice to see you up and about.. [23:29] yep [23:29] just got out of hospital :P [23:29] I know [23:29] now i can sleep in til 2pm again :) [23:30] hehe [23:30] hey destined! cheers... [23:30] ;-) [23:30] Hey Bryan [23:30] destined> u missed LR, but Robert wasn't on.. [23:30] Thanks Bryan.. [23:31] Was hoping to catch him since he's not emailing me much [23:31] Been really busy with family stuff the past two weeks, so I really have not had much time to talk to him. [23:31] Plus we have been having up here power outages all over Western Washington [23:31] A friend of mine is without power again [23:32] hopefully it won't be down for too long.. [23:32] Let's hope so. [23:33] * Squatdog (~pepito@203-59-210-222.dyn.iinet.net.au) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out) [23:33] With all the infrequent wind storms that have put about 2 million people over here without power over the past two weeks, let's hope power stays on.. [23:33] * ShadowM (~shadow@adsl-69-210-81-215.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) Quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12) [23:38] Don't mind me, I'm looking thru the CCCC starter disk collection [23:39] What is a starter disk collection? [23:39] New members get a collection of diskettes with prgs on them... [23:40] * RobertB (IceChat7@69-19-139-47.nocal.dialup.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [23:40] * ChanServ sets mode: +o RobertB [23:40] talking about DCMR reminded me that I wanted to look at these disks again [23:40] Howdy RobertB [23:40] Merry Christmas, Snog! [23:41] Merry Christmas!! [23:41] I don't think I've heard of Easyspell before [23:41] Just got back from visiting friends, going to church service, and doing more shopping. [23:42] I could have sworn there was an Easyspell. [23:42] ya, I'm looking at that disk [23:42] Robert: are you giving DTV's for christmas? [23:42] (Hey, no swearing in here!) [23:42] it was part of the CCCC starter disks collection [23:42] Nah, I did that 2 years ago, Jeremy. [23:43] dcmr is the disk database for disks? [23:43] Robert: hehe [23:43] yes destined [23:43] Yes, Jeremy. [23:44] ahh ok.. [23:45] hmmm, can't get easyspell to load [23:45] That program might come in handy when I have to go through my 13 small boxes of disks.. [23:46] weird drive doesn't error out... [23:46] Snog, how is your father doing? [23:46] He got out of the hospital yesterday late afternoon [23:47] Won't know the test results until Tuesday [23:47] Oh, it will take that long. [23:47] How is he feeling now? [23:47] He felt well enough to drive his car home [23:47] Hmmm. [23:48] ya, I asked him about it before we got too far from the hospital [23:48] he said he felt fine [23:48] Well, I was sleepy on the highway today, but that doesn't mean I should have been driving. :-) [23:48] so I circled around and went back to the docs office where he picked up his car and drove it home, I followed him [23:48] Ah, that's good to follow him. [23:49] * Roadnoise (Roadnoise@da001d0446.nyc-ny.osd.concentric.net) has joined #c64friends [23:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Roadnoise [23:50] Howdy Roadnoise [23:50] Hi, Roadnoise. [23:50] hey Roadnoise [23:50] Merry Christmas, EggSnog, RobertB, and destined. [23:51] I wonder if Easyspell won't load because the 1581 is on? [23:51] Merry Christmas! [23:51] A possibility, Snog. [23:52] prg shows only 6 blocks but the disk has 0 blocks free [23:52] A hidden directory. [23:53] Sounds like some type of disk protection? [23:53] maybe... [23:53] can't do a prg list of the prg [23:54] tried 8 and 8,1 [23:54] program list? [23:54] ya [23:54] Like loading it to show you if it runs in basic or not? [23:54] right [23:54] Ahh [23:54] I type list and just get a ready prompt [23:55] Does it run only on ,8,1? [23:55] no idea, it won't run with either option [23:55] ,8,1 usually mean Machine Language [23:55] Do you have the instructions for it, Snog. [23:55] no [23:55] Smart idea Robert [23:55] Instructions [23:55] Snog: is there an etext version of the instructions for EasySpell? [23:57] looking for that now [23:58] I was looking on google for easyspell and there is a kracker jax parameter for copying Easyspell [23:58] That usually means there is a protection system on it. [23:58] looks like it's a part of the Easy Script family [23:59] yep [23:59] Same idea I am seeing [00:02] http://project64.c64.org/misc/index.html [00:02] well, I guess I'm gonna mosey along and call it a nite [00:02] On this list is an EasyScript quick reference card [00:02] Catch y'all next weekend [00:02] Bye, Snog. [00:02] Thanks for the links, destined [00:02] Goodnight, EggSnog. [00:02] niters folks [00:02] * Disconnected End of #c64friends buffer Sun Dec 24 00:06:06 2006