[20:52] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:52] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 - and Q-Link!!' [20:52] hello [20:53] Howdy folks [20:53] hey snog. [20:53] how are you doin? [20:53] Just woke up [20:54] Snogpicth, how is that c1 doing? [20:54] collecting dust :) [20:54] nah, it's in a bag... [20:55] I'm waiting for the next upgrade to the rom, last one kind of crippled it a bit [20:56] in my opinion it was a step backward [20:58] * Bryan (~bryan.pop@c-69-242-40-175.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [20:58] playstation 3 is the great great great grandson i the c64. [20:58] s/i/of [20:59] ! [20:59] cause it costs $600?! [21:01] * JavaUser (~Javauser@71.93.228.43) has joined #c64friends [21:01] that too [21:01] didn't even think of it. [21:01] Hello from the SWRAP holiday party! [21:01] Hey james. [21:01] * JavaUser is now known as village16 [21:02] does the PS3 cycle between the CPU and graphics processor? [21:02] Howdy village16 [21:03] How many folks are at the SWRAP party? [21:03] * Bryan isn't :( [21:04] ps3 ... yawn [21:04] * ShadowM (~shadow@adsl-69-210-51-193.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #c64friends [21:04] heya shadow [21:04] Howdy ShadowM [21:04] hi guys [21:05] * RobertB (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:05] * ChanServ sets mode: +o RobertB [21:05] hey Robert [21:05] Howdy RobertB [21:06] Hi, Glenn and Snog. [21:07] RobertB! Cheers! [21:07] I just reloaded the machine I run tcpser on... what's the latest version these days? [21:07] Hi, Bryan. [21:08] no idea on tcpser, I use BBS Server [21:08] We had six. Now there is five. [21:08] * Hellion_1 (~Hellion_1@h69-130-178-197.69-130.unk.tds.net) has joined #c64friends [21:08] five what? [21:08] yoyo helion [21:08] Howdy Hellion_1 [21:08] * village16 (~Javauser@71.93.228.43) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:08] Hi, Hellion. [21:08] Hey all!!! [21:08] * lessmony (lessmony@dialup-4.242.3.32.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:08] Hi, Wes. [21:09] Howdy lessmony [21:09] hello robert and snog [21:09] * village16 (~Javauser@71.93.228.43) has joined #c64friends [21:09] Hi, Scott. [21:10] awful quiet [21:10] Hi Robert [21:10] looks like Lord ronin is not on yet [21:10] Depends if you are next to a freeway or not, Wes. ;-) [21:10] Not yet, village16 [21:10] * JavaUser1 (~Javauser@225-8.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:11] wb village16 [21:11] near a train track [21:11] he usually does come on abot 7 or so [21:11] * JavaUser1 is now known as BeeMan [21:11] Hi, the other Robert. [21:11] BeeMan! [21:11] Hi ALL [21:11] Howdy BeeMan [21:11] Scott, did you visit Jim Scabery in Portland? [21:12] Ah, sometimes quiet and sometimes not, Wes. :-) [21:13] yes, for a bit with #30. Destined wants to buy all of Jim's stuff for 1500 [21:13] Hmmm, $1,500... is that good enough for Jim? [21:13] That's a chunk of cash [21:14] * Moloch (moloch@c-67-183-23-210.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:14] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Moloch [21:14] #30?? [21:14] Hi, Jon. [21:14] Howdy Moloch [21:14] Hiya Robert [21:14] Hiya Snog [21:15] destined? $1500 for for what? [21:15] * JohnnyL (jai@ool-18bf75ae.dyn.optonline.net) has left #c64friends [21:15] I don't know, Jim possibly will take 5000 to 10000 for all of his stuff, possibly all negotiable. [21:15] swrap holiday party? [21:15] Scott, was that for the software side or the hardware side of the business? [21:15] to buy all of Jim Scaberry's commodore equipment, software, and books [21:16] possibly for everything [21:16] that seems a lot for anything C= these days... [21:16] afk to try tcpser... [21:16] Jim Scabery has a lot. [21:16] * ShadowM (~shadow@adsl-69-210-51-193.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) Quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12) [21:17] how *much* stuff does he has? like how much space does it take up? [21:17] two rooms worth and his back porch full of commodore gazettes [21:17] Several rooms with unopened software and lots of diagnostic hardware. [21:18] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:18] Entered QRoom: ShadowM [21:18] whats his plan?? sell it as one lot?? thats a tall order [21:18] Hi, Glenn. [21:18] o.. hopefully the gazzetes haven't been exposed to the weather.. but sounds like he may have a lot of dupes... [21:18] Howdy ShadowM [21:18] {ShadowM} rehi -- recompiled tcpser for SUSE 10.2 and all is well :) back on 64C [21:18] that would be a ****load of dupes [21:18] possibly, he has not talked to Jim yet and I would like Lord Ronin to help with the price negotiation [21:19] Yup, a tall order, but those Astoria club members keep picking away at them. ;-) [21:19] Them = software + hardware. [21:19] just make a list and part it out [21:19] He did make a list. [21:19] where's the list? [21:20] unfortunitely, my money is going towards bills and a major purchase in a few months that is unrelated [21:20] Hmmm, when did I announce it... a year ago? I told everybody if they wanted the list, just send me an e-mail. [21:20] I think I still have the list somewhere, I don't know where I put it [21:20] i want the list [21:21] It's a year out-of-date now. [21:21] But I can dig in my e-mail and post it to your. [21:21] your address. [21:21] he might still have some of those items left [21:22] I've seen lists over the past year, could have been in the pile of lists :/ [21:22] Scott, how is Jim doing now that he is on oxygen? [21:23] * Bryan (~bryan.pop@c-69-242-40-175.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit [21:23] * Bryan (~bryan.pop@c-69-242-40-175.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:23] Re-hi, Bryan. [21:23] still good considering he has to be hooked up to an oxygen tank almost constantly what looks like. [21:23] He may have a couplke of more years to go [21:24] And he's finally given up smoking, right? [21:24] back at ya RobertB.. :) [21:24] hmm smoking and an oxygen tank *seem* like a bad combination... but that is just me.. [21:25] No, Bryan, not at the same time! ;-) [21:25] I don't know I did not spend too much time at his place since I was on my way home from a con [21:25] wonder if he has any jiffydos?? [21:25] Oh. Well, I will be your way again for MossyCon 3 in the spring. [21:26] oh so he goes off the oxygen to have a smoke then.... !!! [21:27] I can't recall if he has JiffyDOS, Mark. [21:27] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [21:27] I don't know, I did not see him smoke since hes was primalily inside the house and he smokes outside [21:28] There was that unidentified speed-up chip that Al Jackson had and gave the code over to Jeri Ellsworth. [21:28] Right. He smoked outside when I visited him. [21:29] that was a while ago, at least a year and a half [21:29] Yup. [21:30] That speed-up chip was fast, I've been told. And a chip in drive is not necessary. [21:31] Anyone have CMD Utils WCOPY + ?? [21:31] hi all btw [21:31] I have it. [21:31] Hi, Eddie. [21:31] please email it to me asap [21:31] :) [21:32] the + correct? [21:32] freeware version of WCOPY is available on Maurice's website [21:32] I have the whole CMD utilities disk [21:32] Yes, Eddie. [21:32] freeware not cuttin it [21:32] how so? [21:33] it only allows one way copy [21:33] for 1 [21:33] * lessmony (lessmony@dialup-4.242.3.32.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [21:33] * lessmony (lessmony@dialup-4.242.3.41.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:34] dont pirate, its wrong ;) [21:34] also, when I run it, it does not recognize my FD, only my 1571 [21:34] hahahahahahahha [21:34] :) [21:34] i hate dial up [21:34] freeware version recognized my FD [21:34] My version recognizes my FD. [21:34] Ed do you want back, too? [21:34] Beeman! Love that Honey!! [21:34] what do you mean back too? :) [21:35] Anybody have a CDTV keyboard they want to part with?? [21:35] There two sides [21:35] sure thing [21:35] Boing! That's a specialized request, Hellion. :-) [21:35] thank you all [21:35] I want the black floppy drive too. :) [21:35] yeah, its not like he needs a 1541 :) [21:36] Ah, just get some spray paint. ;-) [21:36] who needs a 1541 or 10? [21:36] I thought about that. [21:36] yeah, ghetto it up [21:36] Too many 1541's here. [21:36] add some bling to it.. [21:36] who wants to part with an a4000 [21:36] I have 7 [21:37] Left QRoom: ShadowM [21:37] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has left #c64friends (Try QuantumLink RELOADED!) [21:37] I'll see your 7 and raise you another 5. [21:37] I have some 4000 parts and three qusetionable motherboardss [21:37] what kind of 4000 parts? [21:38] I have a dead A4000 which has a short somewhere on the BUSS. [21:38] hmm don't u mean BUS? [21:38] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:38] Entered QRoom: ShadowM [21:38] * lessmony (lessmony@dialup-4.242.3.41.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [21:38] shortbus? [21:38] BUSS... shmuss. It's the same. ;-) [21:39] hmm isn't there a shortbus on the Retro-Replay? [21:39] * lessmony (lessmony@dialup-4.242.3.128.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:39] Re-hi, Wes. [21:39] hello robert [21:40] wish i knew what happen to men [21:40] I can't remember. I tried my RR a few times and put it away. Out of sight... out of my memory. [21:40] scratch [21:40] my RR + RR-net works great with WarpCopy... :) [21:41] Warpcopy rules [21:41] * golan returns [21:41] Hi, Golan. [21:41] Hey Robert. You ever install that drive? [21:41] * RobertB thinks it's really Batman Returns. [21:42] Not yet but Christmas vacation is after Friday. I will have a lot of time then. [21:42] Christmas vacation is starting on the 15th? [21:43] That's a long vacation... [21:43] I don't return to work until Jan. 8. [21:43] Nice! [21:43] That's like a 3 week vacation... [21:44] I thought I would spend some of my time at CES. I even signed up for the show. Then I found out the show was on the weekdays when I would be back at work! [21:44] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) has joined #c64friends [21:44] Needless to say, I won't be going to CES this year. [21:44] Howdy LordRonin [21:44] Hey LordRonin [21:44] Hoi Lord Ronin [21:44] Hi, Dave M. [21:44] Cheers LordRonin! [21:44] Hoi Bryan: Lost power here for about an hour [21:44] Hoi Snogpitch [21:45] Hoi Hellion [21:45] Hoi #16 [21:45] Hoi robert [21:45] LordRonin> losing power is very annoying! [21:45] Glad that I have Wave on a disk already set up. [21:45] hello LR [21:45] Losing power ruined my 27-in. t.v. set. [21:45] ?!? [21:46] how? [21:46] Which I still have to bring to the shop. [21:46] Hoi BeeMan: Accoridng to what i have gained so far for you, and it is incomplete at this time. Looking at increasing the loading/saving speed by 500% and the cart turns the 64 into a unit with Basic4. Still working out the key strokes on that for you. [21:46] Hey LR, Eddie I think needs your help [21:46] It was the spike that got it when the power tried to come back on. (Maybe it was a brown-out and then back to full power?) [21:46] bah, replace not repair [21:46] buy a bigger t.v. [21:47] Can't. The built-in entertainment center can't handle a bigger set. [21:47] Ya, repair might be more than the cost of a new one... [21:47] I was sacred as I forgot to turn off the monitor and 128d sysyem. too busy finding the battery radio and lighting the cnadles and kerosene lanterns. [21:47] not protecting your electronics with a realsurge suppressor is not wise [21:47] OK, LR [21:48] I did have a surge protector but it wasn't enough. [21:48] get a projector [21:48] Don't give up on me BeeMan. Just wearing way too many hats and trying to catch up on things that were held up for 7 months. [21:48] surge protector probably will cover the repair bill then [21:48] Nowhere to project the image, Wes. [21:48] Power company may cover the replacement. Did that for us here a few years ago. [21:49] Robert: Your walls sound like mine, covered with things {G} [21:49] get a screen to then [21:49] project it on the neighbor's house [21:49] Nah, I want direct-view. [21:49] #16: A printer and more disks are arriving tonight for the A500 [21:50] More for your cat?!!! ;-) [21:50] neighbors house sounds like voyerism [21:50] Shall print out the newsletter tomorrow night before the game. [21:51] * Kimmyland (Kimberland@CPE00159a9295c9-CM00159a662006.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:51] I just have to save some money for it since I am going to save for an M1A [21:51] Robert: Sort of the A500 with the triflecta thinggy is down in the shop for the A500 kitty to play with, think she does that when I am not there. [21:51] Howdy Kimmyland [21:51] Hi, Kimmyland. [21:51] Hoi Kimberland [21:51] #16: Remember that I am keeping the monitor and cable for use on the 1200 when we put in the HD or CF idea. [21:52] hi [21:52] C= question: Who has or is using Ed Star II from Load Star? [21:52] Heya LR [21:52] Not me. [21:53] never tried it, what issue was it in? [21:53] Hoi Eddie da ichiban!! Don't get the ride till monday to post the controller to you. BTW[ found some of the disks with those C= BBS screens on them. Shall copy them and send them later on. [21:53] nice! [21:54] Several issues actually. A freebie to use. Isue 105 is the one I recently copied it off of to create quizes with the quizmesiter prg from that issue. [21:54] LR which LS number is on I have thn all? [21:54] Eddie: Some of them are animated Ansi screens for your collection from Twisted Sky BBS out of Portland an Omni 128 board. [21:54] BRB. Must set the DVD recorder for Star Trek. [21:54] I know about the cables, my priority is the M1A [21:54] then all? [21:55] BeeMan: 105 is the issue I am using for the EdStarII. As that is the pass around issue that was put on the HD when I got it from CMD. [21:55] #16: Understood, I want to get some bread back and set you to work on fixing the 1200 for the groups use. [21:56] BeeMan on issue 105 I think it is in the Brainware section. Does come with a doc file that explains the commands. Personally I use it for all my non Geos writing including making the shop orders. [21:56] LR, sounds good! Looking forward to getting them! [21:56] OK I send to you in d64 Sun or Mon [21:57] Eddie: and that includes the "Morgue BBS" log out screen. Say do you have the screens from Q-Link? AWll I have is a file prg of them that was released a while back as a sort of slide show. [21:57] I do have some more days off now and I still have to prepare for the deployment [21:58] But first Edie Must send you that big box with the controller. [21:58] sure dont LR, wish I had though [21:58] aye! [21:58] * JavaUser (~Javauser@CPE000fb5652315-CM000f212fb25a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:58] just drop me an email when it is in the mail [21:58] Evening all. [21:58] BeeMan: No problem, I am using it regularly, in fact just lost 45 blocks today when the power when off on a Lost Cat story :-( [21:59] * JavaUser is now known as fotograf [21:59] #16: Well we can see what happens with the 1200 before you may or maynot depart. [21:59] Eddie: OK I'll include it. Think that with a screen capture you can sperate all the different screens in the menu. [21:59] Hoi JavaUser [21:59] nice [22:00] Hi LordRonin. How goes it? [22:00] LR, if you have anyt SCPU utilities, that'd be nice too [22:00] Eddie: Shall try, lots of mail to sort in my stack right now. Hunting for an addy will be another task {G} [22:00] fotograf: Besides losing a day of writing when the power went out tonight. Fairly good [22:00] I have to try to get my disks out of storage to get your system up and running [22:01] LordRonin: I know the feeling. Spent 2:45AM to 8:30AM dealing with cooling unit failure. [22:01] Eddie: I found a disk that #16 brought me from CMD dated 1990 that has HD tools. Reviewed it for this issue of the newsletter. Which I will send you a copy. Not certain about SCPU utilities at the moment. [22:02] #16: Need to get a HD for it or the CF and attachment. Destined has been frelled with FG on getting any of the HDs for us. [22:03] LR: thanks [22:03] Reminds me the factory WB 3.1 disk should arrive tonight. Ah radio just said that power is also back in the main part of twon. [22:03] fotograf: I'll have to write all of that chapter again tomorrow. Hate rewriting. [22:03] LordRonin: what's the book about? [22:03] I will have to see if Victor has one for you [22:04] But it is all done on a C= using EdStar II [22:04] And congrats on getting power back. [22:05] * Bryan finally finished reading "On The Edge"... [22:05] fotograf: Operation Lost Cat is the name sequel to the first one I wrote for L.S. that has yet to be printed. Pretty adult stuff, currently working on installment #89 of generally 100 block units. Sci-Fi/Espionage/occult sort of thing like a mans action adventure style from the 70s. [22:05] #16: 2 1/2" 44 pin IDE IIRC for the 1200 [22:06] LordRonin: Sounds really cool! [22:06] fotograph: Well it is a something that goes on the club disk, created by locals for the group. Several local and L.D. members keep bugging me to write the stories. I think they are drivel myself. [22:07] I might have the second HD with that size and I don't know where it is [22:07] Based on some of the events in differnt R.P. games I have played in over the last three decades. [22:07] #16: We were also talking about the WB 3.5/3.9 and the rom As i remember in previous discussion. [22:08] fotograph: If you can stomach it. I can send some .D64s of the Red Cat stories. Zipped .D64, but once my UL problem to vcsweb is fixed first. [22:08] I still have the stuff but I do not have access to the stuff nor the info on hos to do it [22:09] #16: sort of the entire story of the amiga part of the U.G. {G} Perhaps some Amiga users here can help you in places to look? [22:09] LordRonin: I'm definitely interested. Stupid question time though: can I open a .D64 file within VICE by treating the file as a drive? [22:10] It should not be too hard, but I just have to know what I need to do to get your 1200 up to OS 3.9 [22:10] fotograph: Ah, well, like ah... Haven't a clue. I'm strictly C= only. I have sent .D64s that were zipped to others that used emulators. They could open them. But didn't tell me how. [22:10] You treat the d64 file as a disk for the drive to use [22:10] #16: a backpack ADM? [22:11] Thanks Songpitch. I *just* started with VICE so I'm stuck with a learning curve that's near vertical. [22:11] Snogpitch: Thanks for the tip. But in what part is it unzipped? [22:12] Not sure if VICE handles Zipped disks [22:12] probably would need to unzip it first [22:12] I'm back. [22:12] Hoi Robert: Say can you help #16 with things about setting up my 1200 with WB 2.9 and the 3.5 Rom? [22:13] I believe VICE can handle zipped files, but you need something else installed somewhere to handle the unzipping.. [22:13] I know some emulators can handle a d64 that has been zipped without unzipping it [22:13] When I DL a zipped .D64. I run it through Pasi's system to revert it back to normal. [22:13] An A1200 only went up to a 3.1 ROM, LR. [22:13] Domewone told me that the Star Commander would unzip. [22:14] LordRonin: send it to me if you don't mind. I'll try to see if I can read it in VICE (thanks for all the comments everyone. :) and I'll try to post something about how I did it (assuming I was successful). [22:14] However, Workbench for the A1200 went up to 3.9. [22:14] Robert: not sure if it is a 3.1 or a 3.0 that is in it at this time. [22:14] You have to open it up and look at the ROM. [22:14] Didn't one need the higher Rom for WB 3.9? [22:14] No. [22:15] Right that is our Amiga reps job, right #16? {VBG} [22:15] There were no higher ROMs for the A1200 than 3.1. [22:16] OS 3.9 was a software upgrade and all you need is the 3.1 ROM chips [22:16] fotograph: Be some time before I can send you the files. Gotta sort them up. Then get this UL problem fixed. Think it is a need to upgrate the Wave and Wheels toolbox. After that Rod can help me more at vcs web. [22:16] LordRonin: no worries. Whenever. :) [22:17] Then If I understand what the show-vah told us. I have 3.0 Roms. He installed WB 3.5 and several features failed. [22:17] Ah, no wonder. [22:18] You need the 3.1 ROMs. [22:19] OK we will need the 3.1 Roms from some place. The 1200 is to be used in the shop for the AMiga people in the group. As #16 and the rest of us build up the libray that was stolen. [22:19] I bought the 3.1 ROMs for you at the AmiWest Show. Now where did I put them? :-) [22:20] Bryan: Get ready if all works right the next Village Green issue will be out thisupcoming week. [22:20] * Digit (~Byteme@cpe-069-134-173-092.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [22:20] Hoi Digit [22:20] LordRonin> I look forward to it! [22:20] Hey [22:20] Hi Digit. [22:20] Big crowd :) [22:20] Howdy Digit [22:21] Hi, Digit. [22:21] Robert: In the mailer with the newsletters? {VBG} [22:21] And as usuall _Six_ is "away" lol [22:21] Bryan: Thou art sicker than I. I just write it, but you actually read the 20 page newsletter. [22:21] Digit : How can you tell? [22:21] With all your other stuff, LR. Just in time for the holidays! [22:22] Robert: Which reminds me. found and will send with the disk. That MSD manual!!!! [22:22] Digit : Oh, his /whois... D'oh [22:22] Channukha starts friday night Robert. [22:22] Ah, yes. I had forgotten about that. [22:22] Well in my client, when a persons handle is grey'd out it mean they are put in away status :) [22:22] But I could be on crack [22:23] nah, it's yer client :) [22:23] LordRonin> I guess i am a masochist.. ;) [22:23] Fast not C= question: What does "DF0:NDOS" means? #30 is checking some Amiga disks. [22:23] DF0 is your first disk drive. [22:24] Not a DOS disk? [22:24] Bryan: Or you just need to move here and gain a new life. In fact get in the games and get a mess of lives. {BG} [22:24] could be a propriety format.. or a bad disk.. [22:24] * smj (~smj@ol.freeshell.ORG) has joined #c64friends [22:25] Howdy smj [22:25] Hi there [22:25] Hi, Stephen. [22:25] Gratin's [22:25] Hi smj. [22:25] Robert: Got that part for the disk drive. #30 doesn't know what the "NDOS" part means. These are all old factory and copied disks that came to us the other day. Want to test and sort for the library. [22:25] Hoi smj [22:25] herro! [22:25] + [22:27] lots of lurkers, multitaskers and afk-ers here it seems....hmmmm [22:27] And the worlds most fanatic C= user! [22:27] ya, 39 of us [22:27] Me... multi-tasking? [22:27] anyone put a 1581 in an SX? [22:27] as a second drive. [22:28] Snogpitch: Waht is the C= keystroke to get the back slash in the Murder Motel game? I have to kill six. [22:28] * dunric_64 (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [22:28] hey all [22:28] Hi, Paul. [22:28] Hoi Pau [22:28] hey robert [22:28] hey lord [22:28] Hi dunric_64. [22:28] rob: heard from sellam? [22:28] LordRonin> NDOS probably means Not a DOS disk, as not in AmigaDOS format.. so could be game of some type.. Have you just tried to boot with that disk? [22:28] No, Paul. [22:28] hmmm [22:28] bummer [22:29] I haven't either [22:29] Not sure only slash on my C64 keyboard is next to the shift key [22:29] (make sure the disk is write protected first) [22:29] It would depend on your term program what key is mapped... [22:29] Robert: No #30 hasn't at the moment. He will try that later. All the disks are supposed to be Amiga from a 2000HD which is what they are being tested on at the moment. [22:30] I think I'll send him a reminder email on Monday... [22:30] Why not now, Paul? [22:30] I usually just send him emails either on Mondays or Fridays [22:30] speaking of Sellam, VCF east 4.0 will June 9th (and possible 10th) of 2007 [22:30] Snogpitch: Generally it is the brit cit pound sterling symbol. But that isn't the case in the game. I'm using Wave and on the BBS set for I've Been Mislead gfx [22:31] He's sort of slow to respond, so I don't know how to best reach him [22:31] Sellam is a *very* busy guy... [22:31] yeah, I noticed :) [22:31] Sort of?! It's taking a long time. [22:31] this disk thing has been going on since August [22:31] LordRonin, it's possible that the \ isn't in your keys :( [22:31] Paul, you said September. [22:32] August 31 [22:32] was when I sent it, I think [22:32] he got it in early september [22:32] Maybe I'll just communicate via carrier pigeon :) [22:32] Snogpitch: Possibility in the key set. May have to try from vcs as a telnet in and see if that key mapping works. [22:32] LordRonin, here's what I'd do, go into mail, then start hitting every key and see [22:33] Sounds like a plan to me [22:33] The pigeon has to know where to go. [22:33] * AlanR (Diplo@dialup-4.224.243.50.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:33] Howdy AlanR [22:33] Hi, Alan. [22:33] is roger here? [22:33] Hoi AlanR [22:33] true [22:33] Hi AlanR [22:33] Hi [22:33] Then if the keycap doesn't match the output, be sure to write it down [22:33] hoyer? [22:33] I know he'll probably not find much to recover, but at the very least, I'd like the disk back [22:34] Bryan: Permission granted to take the adventure parts and run them yourself from the newsletter {VBESG} [22:34] Later all.. [22:34] * Hellion_1 (~Hellion_1@h69-130-178-197.69-130.unk.tds.net) Quit [22:34] BCNU Hellion [22:34] I've chronicled the frustration in a journal, thought it might be theraputic that way [22:34] Bloody sober slow fingers tonight [22:35] Shall give that a try out Snogpitch [22:35] Probably a C= key and some other combination my guess? :/ [22:35] * BeeMan (~Javauser@225-8.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:36] LordRonin> ok... [22:36] Has anyone had experience with sending stuff to Sellam? [22:36] was the turnaround like 6 months or so? [22:36] 1st Ed AD&D must add to that Bryan ;-? [22:37] you are actually sober tonight? [22:37] Paul> no.. I just talk with him (using email) once in a blue moon... [22:37] yeah, he helped me on VCF once or twice [22:37] #16: Been that way for several days now. [22:37] seems knowledgeable [22:38] *seem*!? [22:38] I've just been pulling my hair out with this disk thing [22:38] I know it is copletely against policy for me I know [22:38] is knowledeable, rather [22:38] Looking at my Novaterm manual \ is using the brit pound key [22:39] Paul, you've been at this "disk thing" for a couple of years. [22:39] Same in Desterm AIR [22:39] true...I recoded some of it, but it just wasn't the same [22:39] Not sure if Maurice coded Wave the same way tho [22:39] That is why I tried it in the game. But it failed to preform the function of expenaded information in the room. Have yet to find weapon or armour items. [22:39] so I sent the disk to california first, they said it would cost $1,000+, and then they sent it back [22:39] then I sent it to Sellam this fall [22:39] They? [22:39] ActionFront [22:40] Well I am not at this time going to ask him. Still waiting for the HD data these past 12 months. [22:40] lord: you sent a HD to sellam? [22:40] see, that's different...this is a 170KB disk [22:41] a HD would take forever [22:41] using electron microscopes, ferrofluid, etc [22:41] If cichlid was here, maybe he could help with the BBS [22:41] Dunric: no I sent it to Maurice :-( [22:41] a floppy disk would that maybe a month [22:41] oh maurice [22:41] yeah, that would take a while with him [22:42] anyone got an opinion of Mouldy floppy disks? :) [22:42] Snogpitch: I think that I did send him an email on the board about that problem. [22:42] are they tasty? [22:42] I think I'll just send Sellam an email on Monday asking for the disk back [22:42] screw the recovery [22:42] Keep your floppies with your ancestors. [22:42] in a cool dry place. [22:42] Off to bed all. G'night. Kimmyland: as long as they don't put out noxious gases, I'd keep them. ;) [22:42] :) [22:42] Bye, fotograf. [22:42] Even my mag tape had to be baked before it could be transfered digitally [22:43] Rob: If you see him anytime soon, please just tell him to send the disk back [22:43] * fotograf (~Javauser@CPE000fb5652315-CM000f212fb25a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit [22:43] Uh, I only see him at VCF once a year. [22:43] I doubt he'll respond to my email [22:43] er, you should you would see him in a couple of weeks at his house? [22:43] said* [22:43] humidity allows for moisture to collect between the wound reel. [22:43] I said I could. [22:43] oh ok [22:44] between the wound tape, sorry. [22:44] That doesn't mean that I would take the 4-hour drive to find him. [22:44] well, I'll email him on Monday [22:44] you have to bake it in a low heat oven for a couple of hours. [22:44] Hopefully, hopefully, he'll get back to me [22:44] I would think you could low temp bake floppies too. [22:45] * AlanR (Diplo@dialup-4.224.243.50.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) Quit (Quit: Screw You Guys, I'm Going Home) [22:45] what makes the matter time dependent is that I'm moving in less than three weeks [22:45] hmmmm, toasty :9 [22:45] smj: I've used a space heater to format HD disks [22:45] it works [22:45] So, give him your new address (and explain it to him in your e-mail). [22:46] Make sure the post office knows your forwarding address [22:46] rob: I've sent him my address at least twice, he said he'd have a "final report" by last monday [22:46] The new address? [22:46] Yeah [22:46] speaking of final, what is your opinions on the Final Cartridge? :) [22:46] It doesn't bother me that he's busy...it bothers me that this is dragging on for so long [22:47] smj: good cart [22:47] smj: mine broke :( [22:47] worth $20? [22:47] smj: FC III? [22:48] FC III is worth $20 [22:48] got a freezer, adds memory to BASIC, window driven, icon driven, etc [22:48] FC III? Not very compatible with game programs. [22:48] No, its an FC II [22:48] I wore my FC III out [22:48] oh [22:48] don't know anything about the FC II, but if it's like Epyx Fastload with perks, take it and run [22:48] * lessmony (lessmony@dialup-4.242.3.128.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:49] cool, I did. :) [22:49] * lessmony (lessmony@dialup-4.242.3.164.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:49] or Action Replay [22:49] Re-hi, Wes. [22:49] that's awesome [22:49] V5 especially [22:49] Yes, I was looking for that too, but the FC II came around for $20, so I got that. [22:49] re-hello robertb [22:49] if you can find one, grab a Mach 128 cart [22:50] those are faster than even Epyx Fastload [22:50] Was looking at that too, but haven't come accross it :) [22:50] don't know whats going on with my connection tonight [22:50] We have Mach 128 carts. [22:50] Gotta go now for the game. Se you nexxt week [22:50] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:50] rob: I saw one at Games Plus/Flashback in Phoenix years ago...it was amazing [22:50] AHH why didn't you tell me? is it in the newsletter :) [22:50] lessmony, maybe your phonecable needs replaced? [22:50] Renny didn't have one for sale, but he had Elite for $5 [22:50] No, Stephen. :-) [22:50] in box [22:51] That Flashback store on Thomas Road was great...I went there twice a week for five years [22:51] maybe or replce computer [22:51] You know, I used to have a Sequential Circuits Model 64 interface, and I just came across one last week (in Oregon) [22:51] Came with a Six-Trak too. [22:51] Renny Mitchell and Games Plus...the memories [22:51] then he sold most of his older games inventory to Ryan Merlancia [22:51] Hmm, what are you going to do with it, Stephen. [22:51] ? [22:51] I'm waiting for my silly SID2SID to arrive before I put the SX back together, but looking forward to playing with the SCI sequencer again. [22:51] Merlancia.. pfffftt [22:51] Ryan Czerwinksi. [22:52] Its a midi sequecner. [22:52] yeah [22:52] Ryan alphabet soup [22:52] Czerwinski. [22:52] the sixtrak is an analogue/digital hybrid synth. [22:52] incidentally, that's another thing...I sold some floppies to Renny and then I think that was part of the inventory Ryan acquired...I wrote Crystina about it, and she said they had to keep moving [22:52] A later model which should work fine with the model 64 is the multi track [22:53] http://synthwood.com/multi-trak/ [22:53] something about she had to look for it once they unpacked "from the move" [22:53] I actually combined two multi-tracks in one chassis :) [22:53] * village16 (~Javauser@71.93.228.43) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:53] Hey, Stephen, did you see that MOOG synthesizer that was on eBay (coming from Australia)? [22:53] Was it a modular? [22:53] crystina sounded like his secretary [22:53] It was a big box! [22:53] someone said it was his mom, though [22:54] There has been a lot of high dollar stuff on ebay recently. There was a Velvet Underground acetate test press record that just went for $155,000 !! [22:54] dunno what happened with Merlancia, but I heard bad stuff about his business [22:54] it was a mom/son scam.. ! [22:54] like he ripped off people [22:54] Yup. [22:54] something about insurance fraud [22:54] Don't know about that one. [22:54] I'm actually into the Roland modular (System 100M) .. the Moog takes too much space (and $$$) [22:54] rob: that was the rumor going around circa 03 [22:55] I just know what he did to the Amiga scene. [22:55] one time Renny, after his stroke, gave me Ryan's business card...and I was like,"He's a doctor?" [22:55] there are pics on the web somewhere about their whole scam.. [22:55] no way he's a doctor [22:55] my cat's a doctor then :) [22:56] * Dopple (~Dopple@cpe-72-225-53-131.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [22:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Dopple [22:56] PHd. [22:56] Howdy Dopple [22:56] Hi, Dopple. [22:56] Snog: how was Mossy? [22:56] y0 [22:56] BRB. Must turn off the DVD recorder. [22:56] are they having another one? [22:56] bryan, do you have a link? [22:56] I've never been to Mossy [22:56] Mossy Conference [22:57] held in Oregon, I think [22:57] last year with Jeri and co. [22:57] which reminds me...I will be at Commvex 3! [22:57] even if I have to bus there [22:57] and so will Paper Paul ;) [22:57] paper paul? [22:58] oh yeah [22:58] :D [22:58] but this time...I'm bringing my whole self [22:58] in the flesh [22:58] the Real Paul [22:58] ok, back to Star Trek: Legacy [22:58] ack!! put on some clothes!!! [22:58] Left QRoom: ShadowM [22:58] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has left #c64friends (Try QuantumLink RELOADED!) [22:59] rob: well, I've got to jet...but I'll send an email to Sellam and hopefully he'll send the disk back [23:00] so anyhoo [23:00] Does anyone know of a database libraries use for inter-library loans? [23:00] database library? [23:01] probably to see if you're checking out bad books [23:01] nah, I'm looking for an item that the local library doesn't have [23:01] oh ok [23:02] I'm using an eraser on the cart contacts ;-) [23:02] C= book? [23:02] smj: that works [23:02] just curious if someplace close by has it or if it's even available elsewhere [23:02] its mandatory! :) [23:02] check amazon or ebay [23:02] some librarys are hooked up to other librarys.. but that is ususally pretty local.. [23:02] smj: abso-smurflyu [23:02] y* [23:02] I'm back. [23:03] wb RB [23:03] They used to have a cart cleaning kit that they sold at most video game trade places [23:03] not sure what it used, but it worked [23:03] probably 97% alcohol [23:03] Ah, I hear rain outside. And my neighbor just got their new roof yesterday! [23:03] is it leaking? [23:04] Uh, I never went into their house to find out. [23:04] no, I mean, in your house :) [23:04] No. Why do you ask? [23:04] ok,if noone has aan a4000 to part with, how about a1200?? [23:04] I used to leak at my parent's house...the roof repairs were expensive [23:04] er [23:04] it used to leak [23:04] You used to leak? [23:05] it [23:05] typo [23:05] jeez that was a funny typo [23:05] no, I didn't urinate on the roof :) [23:05] right, alcohol works great as well. [23:05] ProGold works good for contacts - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=210474 6&cp [23:05] $7,200 do my roof here a few years ago. [23:05] if the contacts are really worn you can lay in new traces with solder I suppose :) [23:05] that's a lot of money [23:05] Of course. [23:05] is that an apartment? if so you can probably get a discount on the renter's insurance [23:06] House. [23:06] #roof_repairs [23:06] does your company cover repairs? [23:06] Why would a school district repair the roof on my house? [23:06] RobertB> plus if it only cost say like $720 I would be kinda worried... ! [23:06] well, you could say it was vital to your teaching [23:06] ! [23:07] Yeah... right. [23:07] that would go over well.. [23:07] like..."I need my papers dry so when I score the student's work, it doesn't blot the pages" :) [23:08] or you could say you're starting home schooling services and the structure needs to be certified [23:08] RBT, you don't need a japanese version of ST the Motion Picture, right? [23:08] Ack! No home schooling here. [23:08] what do you teach, by the way? [23:08] I have it already, Stephen. [23:08] English. [23:08] rock on...my mom was an English Major [23:08] YOu n eed #4 right? [23:08] Yes. [23:09] They should totally up the pay for teachers [23:09] I thought I had it, but I confirmed I did sell it some time ago. Sorry [23:09] I don't know how they pay teachers in California, but here in Arizona it is low [23:09] No problem, Stephen. [23:09] I just checked Half Price yesterday.. usually its there for $2.98 [23:09] Yes, Arizona is low. At least our district negotiated for cost-of-living increases. [23:10] * destined (~chatzilla@dialup-4.242.195.213.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [23:10] Hi, Jeremy. [23:10] I scored a copy of Generations for $1 there and it was NM. [23:10] We used Apple's at my high school, which sucked, because back then they were PowerPC based [23:10] thats AC3 too. [23:10] Good evening Moloch, Robert [23:10] too many scorpions in AZ.. ;) plus they don't like daylight-savings time.. [23:10] Oh, don't tell me about ST7. [23:10] yeah, AZ voted down MLK holiday [23:10] hello fellow seattlite [23:10] you didn't like it? [23:11] Of course not. [23:11] haha. [23:11] bryan: if you ever make it out to Arizona, Renny Mitchell and James Mitchell have a pseudo-classic store on 44th and Thomas [23:11] OK.. ST V vs Generations [23:11] which one? [23:11] at the Arcadia Crossing [23:11] wonder where the austrailian guy is [23:11] in Phoenix [23:11] V, of course! [23:11] one day maybe.. [23:11] (: [23:12] I have one cousin who lives in the Phoenix area. [23:12] rob: well, I've got to jet...I'll send an email to Sellam tomorrow and see if he responds [23:12] Bye, Paul. [23:12] night robert [23:12] Robert: I am wondering if there is a way to copy partitions from two seprately connected CMD formatted drives on the same CMD host adaptor [23:12] * dunric_64 (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: REALITY.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q)) [23:13] Uh, I've never thought about that, Jeremy. [23:13] deja vu?! [23:13] Robert: oh, I am thinking of ways to have fun backing up large CMD hard drives [23:14] Bruce has a few ways on how to do it [23:14] That is not my idea of fun. :-) [23:14] hook the HDD up to a PC with a SCSI interface, use ghost to make an image [23:14] But not this exactly [23:14] can you not use linux "dd"? [23:14] dopple: hehe [23:14] destined, that's my plan. [23:14] dopple: my ideas is to copy a 500 meg hard drive and use dd to copy the backup [23:15] * dunric_64 (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [23:15] wow, sellam just wrote me [23:15] that was ESP [23:15] Re-hi, Paul. [23:15] Ooo, what did he say? [23:15] those are some magic carrier pigeons [23:15] lol [23:15] Problem is the CMD HD OS does not allow this type of partition transfer [23:15] between two separately formatted hard drives [23:15] was he very Sellam-ish? [23:15] I'll send a copy to you, Robert [23:15] O.K.. [23:15] dest, i guess that'll do to... i dont have any linux boxen around tho [23:16] bryan: no, he said he was trying an experiment with the disk, but that he lost the actual disk, but not to worry, he knows where to find it [23:16] LOL [23:16] And the CD-rom burner would limit the CMD DOS DD copy to about 600+ megs [23:16] or something like that [23:16] Huh???? [23:16] split the image [23:16] have u seen his warehouse?!?! 8-O [23:16] I'll send a copy of the email to you robert, what's your email? [23:16] bryan: no...is it bid? [23:16] big? [23:16] whorehouse? [23:16] no dopple [23:16] Paul, just look at my postings on Homestead, at comp.sys.cbm, anywhere! [23:17] ok [23:17] dopple: you cannot split that type of image up [23:17] robert@iglou.com? [23:17] big?! just a little bit.... [23:17] rbernardo [23:17] ryan: how'd he get such a large wharehouse? [23:17] dopple: and have the image work [23:17] ok [23:17] destined, oh, using Ghost, you can have it split the image into any size you want. [23:17] where is ryan? [23:17] with the -split=xxxx command [23:18] well, swithc [23:18] dopple: you can configure dd to do the same type of ghosting split archive [23:18] rob: ok, sent it [23:18] swtich [23:18] destined, so what's the problem? [23:18] most likely near where he lives... [23:18] Ryan? Long gone (unless the authorities have caught up with him). [23:18] What I am trying to make is a CMD SCSI cd, so one could pull files off the CD [23:18] bryan: but warehouses that big...would be school associated or gov't associated [23:18] research institutions, etc [23:19] dopple: your thinking of a different type of imaging idea than I [23:19] * Squatdog (pepito@124-168-111-226.dyn.iinet.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [23:19] rob: Ryan Czerski should pay back the Amigians with Amiga products [23:19] on interest [23:20] I saw a picture of him once...it was scary [23:20] Uh, first he should pay back the workers of his company with cash. [23:20] that too [23:21] didn't he owe the IRS like $5 mill? [23:21] Don't know. [23:21] I beleive the warehouse is somewhere in Livermore, CA [23:21] Dopple: your talking of making cereating a split up whole hard drive image. I am speaking of a CMD CD available to run off the HD basically [23:21] yeah, livermore [23:21] it's near some large school-affiliated research place [23:21] oh [23:21] llnl, dunric? [23:21] i got it [23:21] llnl? [23:22] i guess i didnt see the begingging of the idea. [23:22] :) [23:22] What is llnl? [23:22] lawrence livermore [23:22] ah ok [23:23] well, if it's near that, then it is probably a big place [23:23] they probably still have a couple of Cray-2s humming somewhere [23:24] I don't have the link to the pics handy.. [23:24] which makes me wonder...what can technically be recovered from a disk? They have all that equipment, but can they really recover data? Or is it Star Trek fiction? [23:24] and I am sure an EMERAC is hidden somewhere.. [23:25] EMERAC...wow! [23:25] That's...what...1953? [23:25] It's gotta be pre-PDP-1 [23:25] Pre-T/0 [23:26] dunric: is there a way to get a Pet to copy a C64 datadisk? [23:26] I think so...depends on the drive [23:26] 4040s should be able to [23:26] but it cannot be DOS 1.0 I don't believe [23:26] 1957 - http://imdb.com/title/tt0050307/ [23:26] it has to be CBM DOS 2.6 [23:26] 2.x [23:27] dunricL: How would one copy a C64 tape analogly? [23:27] I've never used a tapedrive [23:27] no? [23:27] only 1541s, 71s and one 1551 [23:27] They can store great amounts of files you know [23:27] nope, don't have any tapes [23:27] tapes? [23:28] Should get your self one [23:28] It's too slow [23:28] I'd never use a tapedrive [23:28] oh [23:28] TAPE DRIVE [23:28] not the commodore Tape Drive? [23:28] Than you don't have the right tape reading software [23:28] Yes, I am speaking of C= tape drive [23:28] Are we talking about the Commodore Datasette? [23:28] ok [23:28] No way...I'd never use it [23:28] yes, datasette [23:28] that thing is still way ahead of its time. [23:28] ok, haha, thats enough [23:29] Ick, datasettes. [23:29] there was some pretty fast tape loaders out there... [23:29] datasettes...belong in the box with 8 track tapes and vinyl [23:29] Unreliable loads. [23:29] if it wasn't for that thing, we would never have Press Play on Tape. [23:29] Pres Play on Tape? Press Play on Beer [23:29] dopple: Add compression and crc, you'd have a great way to store commodore files [23:29] for future generations [23:29] It would be Press Play on Disk. ;-) [23:29] Yeah, but I'm never sober when I Commodore [23:29] speaking of 8-tracks .. I just found a box of unopened blank 8-tracks recently! [23:29] I need to put a "play" button on one of my 41's :) [23:30] Press play on disl? [23:30] disk? [23:30] * PJimAFK is now known as PhotoJim [23:30] Hey all. [23:30] I pound a few beers when I Commodore [23:30] only way to go [23:30] hey pjim! [23:30] Hi, PhotoJim. [23:30] how the flip to u press play on your floppy? [23:30] hey Robert and destined [23:30] It's worse than that, he's dead Jim! [23:30] How's the weather in Saskatchewan? [23:30] jim: we're talking about Datasettes and how they are great for data storage [23:30] Datasettes...burn them all [23:30] destined: sarcastically or genuinely? [23:30] No, they are not great for data storage. [23:30] I even have a couple Plus/4 Datasettes :) [23:31] * Squatdog (~pepito@210-84-22-83.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #c64friends [23:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Squatdog [23:31] destined: it's reasonably warm for here for December. not far below freezing. [23:31] Hi, Squatdog. [23:31] balmy 40F here [23:31] hello [23:31] Didn't the Atari use a Datasette-like device? Or the 2600? [23:31] it's not that warm here... [23:31] via the Supercharger [23:31] the Ataris did, definitely... several versions [23:31] atari computers did [23:31] the 410 was the first [23:31] The 2600 used carts. [23:31] Robert: never heard of Tape drives for the PC that store gigs of bytes [23:32] Robert; they would be great for storing C= software [23:32] supercharger used cassettes on the 2600 [23:32] right, but the 2600 also, later in life, used a Supercharger from Arcadia that hooked up to a cassette player and played games from tapes [23:32] Atari tape sucked though... Commodore tape sucked speedwise but it was very reliable [23:32] Jeremy, you were talking about C= tape drives. [23:32] I had Dragonstomper, an RPG, on the Atari 2600 [23:32] good game [23:32] multi-load, explore the countryside, fight...beetles [23:32] Robert: I was using the PC tape drives as an example [23:33] Oy! [23:33] Yes, I was speaking of the datasettes [23:33] the PC tape drives are good for long-term data storage, just don't erase and re-record 1,000,000 times [23:34] floppy disks have a life-solvency of 25+ years...but tapes...stored well...about 40 [23:34] I think with some compression and crc, they would be a great way to store archives of Dunrics software. [23:34] who plays my games? [23:34] I have not collected all of them yet. [23:34] dunric: run those disks near a magnetic source like a tv and watch them go right away [23:34] destined: but that would erase them [23:35] in theory, any way [23:35] esp. near speakers [23:35] damn qlink disk died... gotta make nuther one [23:35] I have a theory that the physical orientation of a disk drive can increase or decrease the likelihood of disk errors. [23:35] golan, which is best? [23:35] dunric: correct [23:36] I just store my floppy drive in the upright position [23:36] Tapes are best [23:36] one time I spilled Coca-Cola on a drive, and it seeped into the innards [23:36] that was pee [23:36] well, no, it was actually Root Beer [23:36] I haven't had the chance to do extensive testing but I believe a north-south orientation is better than an east-west orientation. Something to do with the Earth's magenetic field, I'm sure. [23:36] horizontal, like a PS2? [23:37] a liquid tends to do that.. [23:37] You need to stand in your room with a compass and figure out which direction is north and then align the drive up along the access. It's odd but it really seems to make a difference. [23:37] And the drive seems to run faster too! [23:37] I've got all sorts of crazy, half-baked theories on disk data storage and archival, but until I test it out, like burying a disk in the ground or setting it on fire, it isn't fact [23:37] so i assume you should point it towards magnetic north, not true north? :) [23:37] What is it like to have a beer or pop spilled on a magnetic medium? [23:37] golan: but that only works in the northern hemisphere. and God forbid if you're between the two tropics! [23:38] destined: I froze a disk in vinegar overnight...it didn't load [23:38] do you paint red stripes down the side of your 1541 too? [23:38] Dopple: Magnetic north, duh. [23:38] magnetic north is moving 25 miles a year you know... [23:38] a disk buried for 554 days, like I did, won't load, either, sadly [23:38] Magnetic south for our Aussie friends. [23:38] Bryan: Is it true that stripes on the disk drive make it go faster? I didn't think that had been proven authoritatively. [23:38] yes, we all bury the disks [23:38] you can stick prayer beads in there...it doesn't help [23:39] great plan [23:39] no vodoo magic is going to get that disk back to tip-top shape [23:39] maybe not authoritatively ... but it makes it look so cool, so it must be going faster! [23:39] well, in my Diskette Experiments, which I conducted over a 2.5 year period, I learned that a) disks are fragile and b) disks are fragile [23:39] dunric: what is a good GCR editor for damaged disks? [23:39] Maverick [23:40] somone said i needed flams on their drive so i set it on fire [23:40] v5 [23:40] stone tablets are fragile, too, if you drop them [23:40] that or Di-Sector [23:40] and painful if your foot is in the way.. [23:40] Di-Sector, Maverick and use Disk Doctor v4.0 to Search for text in the disks [23:40] dunric: you might want to ask around.. There are good and fast tape loaders for the Commodore [23:41] Rabbit? [23:41] I've found, after much thinking and beer, that the only way to recover data on a damaged disk is to have a backup copy...God can't make house calls every day. [23:41] There was an add in a CCU Magazine in the early 80's for some goo you could apply to your disk drive (the heads, I think) that made it faster. [23:41] golan: that certainly wouldn't work. [23:41] goo wouldn't change the electromechanical properties of a disk drive, I don't think [23:41] * golan misses CCU magazine [23:42] I've done a lot of weird **** to my disk drive, but I've never put goo in it [23:42] i bet you have [23:42] the only thing I regret is using Save-With-Replace for over a decade [23:42] golan: what about those elecromagnetic coils you can put on the serial cable? [23:43] jiffydos makes using scratch then save real easy [23:43] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [23:43] SAVE"@0:program name",8 [23:43] bah [23:43] PhotoJim: I never had the money to order those. :( [23:43] I had a friend who swore by them though. [23:43] sometimes i regret installing mirc [23:43] dunric: that command will not replace a file [23:43] yeah, I switched to SCRATCH" program name ": DSAVE " program name" [23:43] golan: neither did I... shipping to Saskatchewan was always too much [23:43] F1, then crsr up, F8, return, crsr back up, F6, Return [23:43] I used save@ for years with no loss... I got lucky. have no idea why it worked for me. [23:43] I like Warpspeed v2. [23:44] Photo: probably just good luck [23:44] dunric: you need to oepn, send the scratch command: close, then save the file [23:44] I never use C64 mode to program in...I use 128 mode [23:44] so much easier with AUTO, RENUM, BLOAD, etc [23:44] jiffydos is made for the 128, too [23:44] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [23:44] You couldn't use the coils on a 128. Wouldn't work. [23:44] destined: I read that scratch-save exposed you to the save@ bug too... [23:44] oi [23:44] Something about 2MHz mode. I don't know much about it. [23:44] jiffy [23:44] dos [23:44] jiffydos [23:44] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [23:44] ha [23:44] photo: I doubt it...only if you never used ")" [23:44] "0" [23:44] lol [23:44] I like Warpspeed v2 (repeating self like Mark). [23:45] If you use "0", I think the Save-At bug doesn't happen [23:45] something tells me that Dragos has an autoscript when someone says jiffyd0s [23:45] Ah. [23:45] pjim: not if you 10 open 15,8,15,"so:name" close15: save "name",08,01 [23:45] dunric: I seem to recall it from the several articles in Transactor about save@. they proved that scratch-save could cause damage. I don't know if it was a perfect correlation, but it was not immune. [23:45] jiffy dos? [23:45] no jiffydos [23:45] JiffyDOS RULES! its true. the best. we know. [23:45] o [23:46] PiffyDOS? [23:46] photo: yeah, I read that, too...apparently you have to use "0" *every* time or it can happen [23:46] destined: I know if you used save"0:blah",8 ... using 0: helped to protect you to some degree [23:46] dunric: yup, that's what I remember, although I'm not sure it was infallible... just improved the odds [23:46] it was the phantom drive of the old PETs that screwed C64/128 users over [23:46] I never used a save with replace, I just added the version # next to my save [23:46] phantom? [23:46] dunric: that was part of it, although the save@ bug existed on the dual drives too [23:46] dragos: yeah, the old PETs had two drives, 0 and 1 [23:46] drive 1? [23:46] on an error, the C= jumps to the non-existant drive 1 [23:47] theres nothing "phantom" about that [23:47] * AlanR (Diplo@dialup-4.224.189.19.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [23:47] My PET 2001 has a tape drive (Jeremy likes that!). [23:47] hey Alan [23:47] Howdy AlanR [23:47] PETs...ugh [23:47] Does Pet's eat tape drives? [23:47] Hi, Alan. [23:47] smash them all :) [23:47] quite a few PET 2001's have tape drives... ;) [23:47] Howdy [23:47] I mean they have problems eating tapes? [23:47] WAIT 6502,x [23:47] What's up, Alan? [23:47] MICROSOFT! [23:48] goats have no problem eating tapes [23:48] MICROSOFT! [23:48] Mine doesn't eat tapes. [23:48] PETs rock! especially the happy sound they make when u turn them on... [23:48] Alan: I've been meaning to tell you how much I enjoyed browsing your VIC-20 site. Top drawer. [23:48] gee.. that sounded wierd.. [23:48] * Snogpitch has a PET ROCK [23:48] Thanks golan [23:48] ok now it works [23:48] Was it the Apple Lisa or the early PETs that you had to drop from 1-2 feet to ensure that the ROM chips were soldered in [23:48] ? [23:48] dunric: Microsoft stopped eating tapes a long time ago.. m$ eats electronic bits now [23:48] wtf? [23:48] had to format the disk in the drive on the 64, then write the image on the drive attached to the PC, now qlink boots. [23:49] I heard that Bill Gates has Ausperger's [23:49] Anyone know of a modern BASIC with line numbers? [23:49] I believe intentionally dropping PETs is a federal offense.. [23:49] *** burgers? [23:49] Ausperger's...spectrum austism [23:49] dragos: huh? [23:49] Like, the spectrum computer? [23:49] no :) [23:49] Dragos: I just had McDonald's. Please don't talk about *** burgers. [23:50] hehe [23:50] dunric: he loves playing with Commodore BASIC, not aspergers [23:50] you just had them [23:50] multi-spectrum autism...it means that ausperger's is one level of many autism levels...like Rain Man [23:50] So Bill Gates can look at a program and instantly knows how many lines of code there are? [23:50] no [23:51] I think he just drinks [23:51] Then I don't get it. [23:51] I drink. Do I have it? [23:51] it is spelled "asperger" [23:51] he scored Melinda, so he's doing something right [23:51] right, asperger [23:51] my bad [23:51] Asparagus? Tasty! [23:51] The dude has fifty billion dollars and the best he could do was Melinda? [23:51] yeah, she married his "personality" [23:51] she's hot [23:51] dunric: not milti-spectrum autism.. he runs on multitudinal fluctuation [23:51] Uh, not so much. [23:52] if she is in arizona,she might be [23:52] http://www.nndb.com/people/533/000044401/melinda-gates.jpg [23:52] well, if *I* had 50 billion dollars, I'd find a wife. A real one. [23:52] Yeah, I can hardly keep my eyes off her. [23:52] hmm, i didnt need 50 billion [23:52] golan: Melinda may not be the most beautiful woman on Earth, but she may have other virtues that aren't so obvious. [23:53] dunric: melinda was on charlie rose in June and your correct. [23:53] but, i live in my own hiuse too [23:53] All dragos needed was $299 and a mailing address [23:53] Pjim: Like having Bill for a husband? [23:53] If I had fifty billion I would have someone build me a time machine and go back and get Gina Lollobrigida when she was hot. [23:53] I had 0 one night stands in college, but I scored a fiancee, so it worked out [23:53] THere are wonderful quotes from Office Space [23:54] i had several, didnt go to college, been married for 13 years [23:54] golan: did you forget Warren Buffets 30+ billion Bill now has? [23:54] college is great [23:54] only place where one can go from room to room and have a party every single night [23:54] Hey I've been married 13 years too [23:54] yep, lets you be a high schooler for 4 more years [23:54] dunric: that only happens at a C= Euroscene party! [23:55] heh [23:55] and prepares you fro mooching :) [23:55] golan: give me an average-looking woman with a huge intellect and who is sensuously adventurous and I'm there :) [23:55] Go room to room and party each night [23:55] PhotoJim: Jeri. [23:55] * JavaUser (~Javauser@CPE0004e2d57a07-CM0012c99f05da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [23:55] * AlanR snickers [23:55] hahahahahahhaha [23:55] hahaha [23:55] haha [23:55] Alan: Sure, but have you ever really looked at Gina Lollobrigida? [23:55] Ojim: Same HERe [23:55] whew [23:55] Smart woman, here I come! [23:55] dunric_64: don't know about the adventurous part, but she qualifies on the mind and more than qualifies on the appearance. [23:55] destined: Literally? [23:55] Hi, Javauser. [23:55] Jeri...I was like,"Wow!" [23:55] golan: what litterally? [23:56] Uhmmmm [23:56] hi there everyone [23:56] She's like my future wife or something...the Fates have foretold it :) [23:56] destined: "Smart woman, here I come!" -- nevermind. [23:56] dunric: I try not to think about it too much... the line of men interested in her is very long indeed [23:56] yeah, probably so [23:56] Please tell me you guys aren't talking about Jeri [23:56] golan: OF COURSE! [23:56] although redheads aren't my gig [23:57] Alan: We are talking about Jeri Seinfeld :) [23:57] * destined doesn't care for Jeri that way [23:57] Redhead? [23:57] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [23:57] Entered QRoom: Dopple [23:57] * martinkb (martin@martin.kb.does.not.like.to.be.called.mary.kb) has joined #c64friends [23:57] golan: there are good, hot, smart woman out there.. hehe [23:57] Hi, Martin. [23:57] destined: she seems nice... she's certainly intellectual. on those two counts I'd love to meet her. just not going to go out of my way for it to happen. [23:57] what do the "+"'s mean? [23:57] Hi. I'm helping another user get here. [23:57] {Dopple} tada [23:57] If Gina Lollobrigida invented a user port device that had ethernet, a faster CPU, RAM slots and an IDE & Flash interface and wasn't like a million we would all be hot for her. [23:57] Met Jeri a few times. [23:57] e.g. "+ Squatdog" [23:57] Pjim: your correct [23:57] voice [23:57] :P [23:57] Wanted to make sure he/she wasn't mispelling the channel name. [23:58] dunric_64, a bunch of us regulars have that [23:58] * destined doesn't care for more Jeri chat [23:58] but what does it mean? [23:58] dunric_64, voice [23:58] that's soooooo old [23:58] ok, have fun weirdos [23:58] voice? [23:58] +m is needed at times in this channel [23:58] All I know is that Jeri and I had lunch together and she ate her Big Mac as fast as I ate mine so as far as I'm concerned, she's cool. Nothing else matters. [23:58] oh, voice chat [23:58] yea, it's a relic of the irc [23:58] anyone that can wolf down a big mac is future paul material in my book [23:59] golan: she's cool. [23:59] but she can't be fat [23:59] well, more like "louder voice" on the channel [23:59] She's skinny but don't let that fool you. When the food hits the plate, she's all business. [23:59] * JavaUser is now known as DVS-64 [23:59] dopple: what do you expect from a room of all male testerone? [23:59] like my cousin...he's wolfs down food like it is air [23:59] golan: hehe [23:59] golan: she has the metabolism I had when I was 20. I could eat what I wanted (and did) and I still was underweight. [23:59] destined, sausage party. [23:59] golan: let's not talk about here ok? [23:59] +her [00:00] I'm just saying. [00:00] so what goes on at the euro C= parties? [00:00] dopple: agreed [00:00] dunric: Robert might be able to shed some light on that/. [00:00] lots of PAL demos, right? [00:00] Robert? [00:00] no.. NTSC.. [00:01] It's Magic was a great game...I loved it, so if it's anything like that [00:01] Protovision [00:01] Drinking, chatting, comradery, game-playing, listening to music, programming. [00:01] sounds like a Star Trek convention [00:01] Well folks time for me to call it a nite [00:01] night snog [00:01] Catch y'all next weekend [00:01] Me, too. [00:01] night snog [00:01] Bye, Snog. [00:01] niters folks [00:01] Bye, everybody. [00:01] part #c64friends [00:01] * Disconnected End of #c64friends buffer Sun Dec 10 00:02:42 2006