[20:40] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:40] * Topic is 'World of Commodore 2006 December 2, 2006 - 10AM to 10PM Toronto, Ontario, Canada' [20:40] Howdy folks [20:40] hiya Snog [20:41] * WizardAFK is now known as WizardNJ [20:41] * TMR{C0S} snores in the corner... [20:42] * WizardNJ is now known as WizardZzz [20:43] I sent you the address WizardNj [20:45] * CDKaiser (elvis@floodgap.com) has joined #c64friends [20:46] Howdy CDKaiser [20:46] hello. [20:46] * TMR{C0S} waves sleepily from the corner. [20:47] aha, a Jasonus Cosinus [20:47] a fascinating species [20:47] Easily recognised by the pink PVC French maid's uniform and the 4" heels. [20:47] quite [20:47] we shan't discuss the mating ritual in public [20:48] Never stopped me before...? =-) [20:48] :-D [20:49] Of course, at nearly 2am the conversation at this end is never going to be particularly serious... or stable for that matter. [20:49] naturally [20:49] Hi Dr. Kaiser [20:49] * destined (~flush@dialup-4.242.192.229.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [20:50] Howdy destined [20:50] oooh, and a Stephenus SDF alpha! [20:50] hi, destined [20:50] Hey Cameron, Snogpitch [20:50] * TMR{C0S} makes an odd burbling noise and nods off again. [20:50] Hey jason [20:51] * destined just sits back and waits for channel traffic to pick up [20:51] ya, expo goers might pop in tonight [20:51] aha [20:51] Yes, they could [20:51] I take it present company are not at said expo, yes? [20:51] Well who are going to be there are.. [20:52] are [20:52] I'm not at the expo [20:52] who is / was @ WoC? [20:52] But I am wondering around the comp.bin*.cbm newsgroup [20:52] I couldn't get the weekend off, so it ain't me, smj ^^ [20:53] * TMR{C0S} isn't exactly in the right country to be there... =-) [20:53] piffle [20:53] TMR{C0S}: well your in the country that teaming with C= programmers? [20:53] hop on a jet, isn't that what Branson does? ;) [20:53] i am? [20:53] TMR{C0S}: yes. [20:53] Like who?!! [20:54] the Virgin due [20:54] dude [20:54] "Richard Branson.." [20:54] Nah, i'm sure he's not a virgin by now... [20:54] Virgin Galactic Billionaire [20:55] well, with the drugs, he may well have forgotton [20:55] forgotten [20:55] perhaps I could spell better also [20:55] * the_woz (The_WOZ@190.49.216.58) has joined #c64friends [20:55] :-) yes, it could have heppened [20:55] Hi! [20:55] hey woz [20:55] hello, woz. [20:55] i still want to know where the C= programmers are over here... [20:55] * smj is now known as John_Drap [20:55] HEY GUYZ. [20:55] Howdy the_woz [20:55] Hey john [20:55] hi snog [20:55] * CDKaiser peers at smj. [20:56] TMR{C0S}: Google UK.. There are a # of programmers [20:56] ARE U GUYS iNTERESTED iN D0iNG SUM P0WER Y0GA WiTH ME THiS EVENiNG??!! H0W AB0UT UR W0Z!! PE0PEL SAME i"M GETTiNG REELLY G00D. [20:56] * John_Drap is now known as smj [20:56] you mean a £ of programmers [20:57] cmj: no, we're talkling about commodore stuff, not stretching body parts [20:57] i'm buggered if i know who is out there... [20:57] obviously the pink PVC isn't working then [20:58] Hey The_Woz, since you invented the personal computer you probably have a lot of stories for CBM fan, huh? [20:58] lol [20:58] * destined is now known as swozniak [20:58] maybe if my nick was stevewoz, but no, I'm a fake lol [20:59] * CDKaiser is now known as weareallw [20:59] drat [20:59] * weareallw is now known as weRallWoz [20:59] * swozniak is now known as destined [20:59] there [20:59] we are all woz. [20:59] Not any more Cameron [20:59] now I have a personallity conflict [20:59] brb [21:00] * weRallWoz is now known as CDKaiser [21:00] computer needs reboot [21:00] * CDKaiser looks so sad [21:00] * destined (~flush@dialup-4.242.192.229.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) Quit (Quit: Client exiting) [21:00] anyone put a 1581 in an SX? [21:00] I just landed a brand new one, Stephen [21:01] and when I say new, I mean new -- it's in its original packing materials in the original box with all accessories [21:01] a 1581? [21:01] * the_woz wants a SX [21:01] it's beautiful [21:01] no, no, an SX [21:01] not that one off of ebay? [21:01] well, this one came from eBay, but there's a fair number that go through there [21:01] * the_woz need some grammar lessons [21:01] there was one for $199 new in box. [21:02] * Bryan (~bryan.pop@c-69-242-40-175.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:02] this one was $99 initially [21:02] what did it sell for? [21:02] I eventually got it for (cough) $300 something [21:02] but it's beautiful [21:02] hello all! Cheers! [21:02] hi [21:02] OK :) [21:02] ah, it's the Pope [21:02] I confess I have not written as much code as I should have this year. [21:02] Howdy Bryan [21:02] :) You may kiss my ring.. [21:02] I will make penitence by having a nice demo for Las Vegas, hopefully. [21:02] * TMR{C0S} gets the camera out... [21:03] after I took apart robert's and cleaned the case with warm soapy water and removed the dust bunnies, my $45 sx64 cleaned up nicely :) [21:03] did you fix the sprite thing yet? [21:03] yep, it was the VIC. [21:03] Hello CDKaiser, Snogpitch.. [21:03] thought so [21:03] Ray helped you out then? [21:03] actually he told me to replace the memory [21:04] I didn't do that, I just swapped the vic out of my old C64 and that worked. [21:04] it was a good thought but really it just seemed so suspicious that only the sprites were bung [21:04] and Lode Runner, btw, does not use sprites -- I confirmed that [21:04] * RobertB (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:04] * ChanServ sets mode: +o RobertB [21:04] * dunric_64 (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [21:04] hey all [21:04] RobertB -> Cheers! [21:04] ah, Robert. [21:04] yes, so its all working.. I'm installing sid2sid in it as soon as I get it. [21:04] hey cameron [21:04] Howdy RobertB and dunric_64 [21:05] hey snog [21:05] I haven't gotten a chance to get that 128DCR on my workbench but I will. [21:05] Hi, Paul and Snog and Cameron. [21:05] hey robert [21:05] I'm trying to work on an upgrade for KIMplement (Phil Lange is offering suggestions). [21:05] small crowd today [21:06] Hmm, KIMplement. Will it be ready for CommVEx next year? :-) [21:06] Hello dunric_64! [21:06] hey bryan [21:06] Hi, Bryan. [21:06] no, it's going to be ready in a month or two, I hope [21:06] this new core is 15% faster, has better RIOT support, and can even run TinyBASIC [21:06] Phil was putting in test programs into it, and while it's glacially slow, it works great [21:06] * TMR{C0S} nods off again... [21:06] cameron: palo alto variant of TB? [21:07] the one from 1976/77? [21:07] hey robert, you put a 1581 in your sx, right? [21:07] And so, it will be ready for CommVEx! ;-) [21:07] * RobertB nudges TMR. [21:07] * Bryan found his Indus GT last night! :D [21:07] i didn't do it! [jumps] [21:07] oh, and I squeezed out another 8K of RAM for the emulated KIM to use, added a disk wedge, better ASR33 support, and cross-crunched it to half the size [21:07] robert: I did some research over the weekend on using electrodes to read brain waves and move items on screen [21:08] NO, Stephen, it's a CMD FD-4000 in the SX-64. [21:08] Bryan: I like the Indus GT. [21:08] a terribly underappreciated disk drive [21:08] I jealously guard mine. [21:08] the CMD FD-4000 ? [21:08] some fellows in the netherlands have built a device that reads brain waves and allows one to move items on screen using only brain activity [21:08] hopefully the electrodes are not shoved *into* the brain.. [21:08] no they are on the top [21:08] like EEG [21:09] That's what you saw at VCF, Stephen. [21:09] yes, I saw it. [21:09] CDKaiser> and it is soo cool looking too... [21:09] yeah, the black smoked hood and the track display [21:09] * destined (~flush@dialup-4.242.207.120.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:09] plus, I like the built-in ROM drive [21:09] very handy [21:09] Paul, how can those brainwave impulses be communicated to the Commodore? [21:09] wb, destined [21:09] Thanks Cameron [21:09] Hi, Jeremy. [21:10] RobertB> the VIC-REL! ;) ;) [21:10] robert: using electrodes and a switcher [21:10] Hey Robert, Bryan [21:10] The VIC-REL! [21:10] Hey destined! [21:10] CDKaiser> ROM drive? [21:11] Electrodes connected where? [21:11] you didn't know about the ROM drive? [21:11] LOAD"$1",8 [21:11] I know about the built-in ROM drive. [21:11] no... I haven't used it yet.. [21:11] robert: connected to either the joystick port or more likely the expansion port [21:11] the electrodes would be worn on a hat around the head [21:11] it has a fastloader, DOS wedge and a few other useful tools [21:11] So what is the story on the CMD FD-4000? [21:11] I'm going out to eat tonight, so I can't chat long [21:11] forget it, Stephen, people guard those like diamonds ;) [21:11] * destined load "blink",08,01 [21:12] Oh! that is too cool.. [21:12] but that was the basis of the post to lemon [21:12] Bryan: neat, isn't it? [21:12] Uh, so how are these brainwaves converted to pulses that the Commodre can understand? [21:12] fricken germans. [21:12] easy. in software. [21:12] smj: what FD 4k? [21:12] Stephen, that is the way I bought it. [21:12] they have no integrity :) [21:12] they make cool stuff, then they abandon them. [21:12] ach, was meinst du mit das? ;) [21:13] Ja, das ist toll. [21:13] smj: I think you got the wrong company [21:13] CDKaiser> A lot of thought went into their design! :) [21:13] Its a VECTREX reference. [21:13] * destined walks over to Moloch [21:13] Bryan: hai, soo desu ne [21:13] * C64Reload (~c64@ppp-71-139-16-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #c64friends [21:13] you have to use software to interpret the signals, if you used a plugin cartridge, you'd need at least 32KB of RAM [21:13] Hi, Marco. Is that you? [21:13] Howdy C64Reload [21:14] hello, c64reload. [21:14] Yes, Hello Robert. I just came in to check how World of Commodore was. [21:14] most carts won't come with an extra 32KB of RAM; they'd need another 48KB of ROM just for the software [21:14] O.K., and where is this software to come from? [21:14] you need a RAM buffer [21:14] ML standard [21:14] about 150 blocks [21:14] or so [21:14] you need outgoing and incoming signals, processed twice each, and then converted to Commodore [21:15] And who is going to develop this software? [21:15] probably the guys over in Germany [21:15] Which guys? [21:15] the same group that did the PC version [21:15] They know the C64?! [21:15] How do you wedge that much RAM into a cartridge? [21:15] *yawns and starts working on Makefiles* [21:15] http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8826&print=true [21:15] TMR: you can't really [21:16] Yes, but do they know the C64? [21:16] not unless you do the GEOS 512KB method [21:16] which is mammoth [21:16] It was sort of a rhetorical question. [21:16] robert: I assume some do [21:16] Berlin Brain-Computer [21:16] Interface [21:16] Berlin Brain-Computer [21:16] Interface [21:16] is the name [21:16] Ah, assumptions are not always correct. [21:16] whoops [21:16] BBCI [21:16] * TMR{C0S} decides that he's a little too tired to do subtle tonight... [21:17] anyway, gotta go eat [21:17] :-) [21:17] have fun people :) [21:17] Jason, we were past subtle with the PVC and heels [21:17] * dunric_64 (~IceChat7@ip68-231-37-18.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!) [21:17] Bye, Paul. [21:17] :-) Cameron [21:17] Would anyone be particularly offended if i called him a wazzock? [21:18] no. [21:18] He's a wazzock. [21:18] yes. [21:18] * CDKaiser sighs. [21:18] 2.19am and i'm still doing polite, not so bad... =-) [21:18] RobertB> my programming teacher had a whole little tirade about the word "assume" ;) [21:19] lol, Jason. [21:19] I just remember the Benny Hill joke about the word, "assume". ;-) [21:19] I imagine it has to do with the first three letters? [21:19] That's what I would expect of Benny Hill ;) [21:19] And all the other letters, Cameron! [21:19] but mostly the first three, and female [21:20] that would be Benny Hill [21:20] er, not meaning that Benny Hill is female, mind you [21:20] Cameron, are you set to buy the Mission: Impossible DVD's on Dec. 5? [21:20] though it adds an extra dimension to the humour [21:20] I already have them on preorder, Robert :) [21:20] Amazon said they shipped them yesterday, along with Voltron Vol. 1 [21:20] Unless you are thinking of Benny Hill in drag. ;-) [21:20] I loved Voltron as a kid [21:21] Nah, I was an Ultraman person. [21:21] I can get behind that [21:21] but Voltron was my first "anime" even though I didn't know it as such [21:21] and Robotech, but of course for the same reason (and a tip of the hat to Mr SDF himself in attendance) [21:21] when one of the students said "well, I assumed" he was cut off by the teacher as he ran to the white board to show what happens when you assume.. he wrote assume with a flourish on the board and said . "when you assume you make an *** out of u am me!" while underlining and circling parts of the word.. :) [21:22] Some Macross fan here eh? [21:22] * TMR{C0S} reads the site about the brain interface... does dunric actually understand computers at all? [21:22] anyone need a set of robotech laserdiscs? [21:22] you might say that *elbows Stephen* [21:22] laserdiscs? [21:22] Correct, Bryan! [21:22] I've got the ADV DVD box set, but laserdiscs ... [21:22] and btw, the original, not this stupid Remastered crap where all the eyecatches and titles are changed [21:22] * Digit (~Byteme@cpe-069-134-173-092.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:22] part of the charm was the corny stuff [21:22] TMR{C0S}: no, he doesn'ty [21:23] you mean harmony gold? [21:23] I always remember that especially when anybody uses that word.. And never assume anything when programming! [21:23] thats what I'm getting rid of. [21:23] * RobertB tells Jason that computers can do everything! [21:23] *gasps* [21:23] Hi, Digit. [21:23] and replacing it with what? [21:23] maybe Paul has seen matrix one tooo many times... [21:23] hello, Digit. [21:23] well, I have the 15th anniversary memorial box set of macros [21:23] macross [21:23] Well, i'm trying to figure out how the hell that thing would interface with a C64... the bit about it needing "machine-learning algorithms" hints that doing things on a C64 ain't exactly going to fly, extra RAM or not. [21:24] so while I saw robotech when I was younger, I like the macross series better. [21:24] yeah, but Robotech has sentimental value for me that Macross, though a good series and better technically than Robotech once put back in its original format, doesn't have [21:24] TMR{C0S}: I think that thing is just an implant for dunric [21:24] although I have some of the AnimEigo remasters of Macross [21:24] hey "machine-learnign algorithms" could be self-modifying code.. ;) [21:24] * destined looks at TMR in seriousness [21:25] Cameron, did you order your Get Smart DVD's, too? [21:25] Robert: no, I'm weighing that [21:25] * TMR{C0S} can think of a few other things to implant... [21:25] after I swaw the macross movie when I was 18 I didn't look back at robotech :) [21:25] * Bryan just bought Tron today.. :) [21:25] Hey :) Sorry a bit late on the greets [21:25] Oops... there goes polite. [21:25] I'm concentrating on M:I and Hogan's Heroes primarily (already have the Emma Peel box set) [21:25] It is quite a hefty price for all the seasons. [21:25] I've got the Tron box set :) Its got a ton of extras that didn't make it on the DVD. [21:26] the double disc one, Stephen? that's the one I have [21:26] lots of production stills and artwork. [21:26] definitely worth the money [21:26] Hey just so you all know, I'm a lazzy *** and have not changed my Global "nick" name. So I am also the guy called Stephan that is on here. [21:26] smj> Please tell me that is one with *two* discs?! [21:26] actually, I have the double DVD set, but the CAV laserdisc box set is the one I'm talking about.. it has like 200 production stills. [21:26] Digit: smj and you will have to fight for the name ^^ [21:26] TMR> I can think of a quote from LA Story.. ;) ;) [21:26] smj: rats! that sounds awesome [21:27] * JavaUser (~Javauser@225-8.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:27] yes, I can't get rid of it :) [21:27] if I ever get back to your corner of the Pacific, I'll have to come look at your laserdisc collection [21:27] Oh, Stephan, I must not mix up your name with Stephen (who is also here). [21:27] although I'm usually out in Spokane rather than the coast (friends out that way, US 395, etc.) [21:28] Hi, Javauser. [21:28] hello, JavaUser. [21:28] you must use Java. [21:28] * JavaUser is now known as BeeMan [21:28] its the 'exclusive archive collection' :) [21:28] Howdy BeeMan [21:28] Hello ALL [21:28] laserdisc had so much better packins than DVDs do [21:28] lots of Giraud stills, production and conceptual [21:29] and those smaller packages for SpewRay and AcheD-DVD are going to make that worse [21:29] Hi, the other Robert. How's the weather in Florida? [21:29] Cameron: Spokane Washington? [21:29] I got a friend of mine to finally watch Tron and they were like "is this a cartoon?" errrghh arrgghh [21:29] Jeremy: hai [21:29] yes, the SW definitive collection shows you that.. you get a hardbound book covering all of george lucas films (up to howard the duck) [21:29] Cameron: ahh you know me a bit [21:30] Cameron: You probably pass me on your way there [21:30] :-) I am near Portland oregon [21:30] Oh isn't today like ... C64 group/talk day? [21:30] no ... I'm quite a bit east of you -- I'm usually on US 395 [21:30] that's "my highway" [21:30] Oooo, Tron! That new Honda Civic commercial is so very Tron! [21:30] http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/395/ [21:30] Robert, Good but be in with a bad cold [21:31] Get well soon, the other Robert. [21:31] OK [21:32] cameron: hmm this road reminds me of old Highway 99 from California to Washington State [21:32] I have friend who has Tron on video vinyl... he says its even more strange than watching it on film. [21:32] in a way, yeah [21:32] it's a throwback really [21:32] Predesceor to I-5 [21:33] * TMR{C0S} sods off to get some sleep... [21:33] Bye, Jason. [21:33] but since US 395 is through such an isolated region of all three states, it's basically unchanged except for some upgrades in California and Nevada [21:33] night, Jason. [21:33] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@cpc1-leed5-0-0-cust439.leed.cable.ntl.com) Quit (Quit: www.cosine.org.uk \\ www.oldschool-gaming.com) [21:34] Cameron: thanks for the notes [21:34] on US 395 [21:35] I haven't tried driving old highways. But perhaps one day I'll take 101/1 up/down the coast. [21:35] Rt1 down the FL Keys is the only way to go [21:36] RobertB: 101 is a beautiful ride. From California all the way up to Washington's coast [21:36] yes, 101 is very nice [21:36] its a long winding drive, but fun.. [21:36] California sort of butchers it by turning it into a lot of freeway stretches [21:36] but it's nicer in Oregon and Washington [21:36] Beautiful, unless you get stuck behind a slow motorhome. ;-) [21:37] lol [21:37] or stuck in Santa Barbara [21:37] RobertB: you been on US 101 near Astoria [21:37] I hate that [21:37] Yes, Jeremy. [21:37] a few others things I found while going through what I had - a CMD HD and a tricked out 1541 with track display and a bunch of switches on the front... [21:38] Interesting! [21:39] Jeremy: I even have a US 395 shield on my wall [21:39] got that on eBay, apparently it used to hang up in Modoc county in extreme northern California [21:39] Hey, put that back! Don't let CalTrans find out. ;-) [21:39] CalTrans wouldn't like my apartment [21:39] Yeah, steal from the state of jefferson, not the state of california [21:40] there's a San Diego county S15, a CA 62, a CA 76, a CA 91, a US 95 (Arizona), a US 25 (South Carolina), an I-15 (California), an I-215 (California) and of course a California US 395 [21:40] plus a US 395 postmile and an I-215 postmile [21:40] a couple of weeks ago I brought a C= calculator back to life - it had the original Ni-Cads which were leaking.. :( [21:40] all, shall we say, collected or bought [21:40] oh, and a Maine I-95 sign [21:40] that one is wood [21:40] which is neat [21:41] Now if they were Star Trek signs/posters/paintings, that would be different. ;-) [21:41] CDKaier> and I-95 turns into Route 128 in Mass.. [21:41] oh, yes, and a Stop sign [21:41] but I don't steal those for ethical reasons ;) [21:42] Bryan: actually they are just co-routed together [21:42] I-95 continues both north and south of MA 128 [21:42] What happens when a guest visits your place, Cameron? [21:42] I spent three hours on 128 :( [21:42] true... [21:42] three?! sitting in traffic? [21:42] just trying to freaking get out of Boston -- I thought I was smart by avoiding the Big Dig and ended up stuck on I-95 [21:42] Nah, I've been longer on my C128. ;-D [21:42] yes [21:42] three hours [21:42] I was so torqued [21:42] I rolled into Kittery (Maine) at 3am [21:43] Yeech. [21:43] couldn't find a stinking gas station either [21:43] Well, look for a good-smelling one then. ;-) [21:43] fortunately the motel owners took pity and let me sleep in an hour after checkout so I wouldn't crash and burn on my way to Bangor from there [21:43] but u could find lobster.. ;) [21:44] actually my hosts in Maine don't care much for lobster! *laughs* [21:44] Yeah, asking for pity works at times. [21:44] Kittery has the outlet shops too.. [21:44] Mmmm, lobster. [21:44] yes, that's true [21:44] but I was mostly interested in BYPASS US 1 since I'm a roadgeek [21:44] the bridge is nice, and the signs are weird [21:45] what more can you ask for? [21:45] Plus there is a really good Mexican restaurant there called "Margeritas" :) [21:45] (forgive my spelling) [21:45] Californians are suspicious of Mexican restaurants in New England ;) [21:45] they used to have El Grande Margs.. [21:45] I'm suspicious of Mexican restaurants in Chelmsford, England. [21:46] :-) [21:46] CDKaiser > I understand.. [21:46] I do tapas in England, but not mexicorn. [21:46] Robert: Yes! or Australian mexican restaurants! [21:46] * CDKaiser is traumatized. [21:46] It was hard enough finding a good Mexican restaurant in S NJ! :( :( [21:46] Ooo, I've never visited a Mexican restaurant in Australia. [21:47] and you shouldn't [21:47] all they have here is diners [21:47] yay [21:47] O.K., I'll remember that, Cameron. [21:47] where in NJ are you, Bryan? [21:47] I did find one that is good.. run by real mexicans.. [21:47] Stratford, NJ [21:47] "real mexicans" [21:47] I [21:47]