[21:00] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:00] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 and Q-Link!!' [21:00] heya snog [21:00] hiya Snog [21:00] Howdy folks [21:00] hey Snog [21:00] Hello Snog [21:01] brb [21:01] * CJ is now known as CJ-AFK [21:02] hey snog, you hvae 128 diag cart or just several 64 [21:02] I've got a 128 [21:03] * JavaUser (~Javauser@166.214.3.26) has joined #c64friends [21:03] does it use the same harness? [21:03] yes [21:03] cool, can you bring to meeting? [21:03] * JavaUser is now known as village16 [21:03] remember I showed the 128D modded one? [21:03] Howdy village16 [21:03] no [21:03] :) [21:03] howdy [21:03] it had the longer cassette cable on it [21:04] do you have the kb loopback [21:04] yep [21:05] its a 25pin loopback [21:05] cool! can you see the conncetions? [21:05] don't remember, let me look [21:06] any tips on opening c= carts? [21:06] slowly hehe\ [21:06] gotta unscrew them usually [21:07] hehe [21:07] i know that [21:07] ;) [21:07] then why ask? [21:07] Ha Ha [21:08] because, i keep braking carts ! [21:08] er breaking [21:08] btw, yes you can see the connections on the 128 kb loopback [21:08] there is more than unscrewing them [21:08] cool, can you bring the whold kit so i can make some notes [21:08] right, but not unscrewing it will break a cart [21:08] * the_woz (The_WOZ@190.49.215.241) has joined #c64friends [21:08] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) has joined #c64friends [21:08] hehe [21:09] * Trek (~peter_gre@MTL-ppp-153332.qc.sympatico.ca) has joined #c64friends [21:09] Hoi gang [21:09] usually after unscrewing the cart, I pull it apart from the card edge [21:09] Howdy the_woz LordRonin and Trek [21:09] yes, but even unscrewing it, sometimes the platic shatters [21:09] Hello LordRonin [21:09] howdy Snog [21:09] hi gang [21:09] hi [21:09] well, if Roger brings a C= cart, we'll disect one [21:09] Hoi Snogpitch, Charles enjoying his new toy? Received a disk letter frrm him. [21:10] beeman, Hoi just scanned your email to me. Shall reply soon. [21:10] O K [21:10] i wnat to look at the accessories you have and dump the 128 rom [21:11] my 64 cart and harness cam and works great [21:11] ya, Charles asked me all kinds of questions the other evening...he was having a blast working with it [21:12] me and dave are gonna reverse engineer my harness [21:12] shouldn't need to dump the rom, Dragos, it's on Bo's server [21:12] Suspect from his letter, that he will b e asking me tonnes of questions as well. I did say I would help as best as possible. Now I can send him a letter on the post print machine. Rather than the faded ribbon one. [21:12] hehehe [21:13] the 128? [21:13] ya [21:13] Need to find a cheap vid camera for myself. [21:13] Then back to creating scenes in miniature for computer eyes. [21:14] Exepcting Robert to show up at my place anyday now. [21:14] ya, Charles was asking me how it works in Geos...I told him if it didn't work as a geopaint, it probably works as a paintscrap [21:15] LR: you still interested in selling your spre jdos for 128d ?? [21:15] robert is always on the road... when does he find time to teach english [21:15] He doesn't teach during the summer [21:15] OK I'll send him a copy of the BSW made input for Geos. Makes the image into a full GeoPaint. [21:15] hoi LR [21:16] Trek, he is due at my placce on his trip any day now. Bringing me the repaird jiffy dos 128D and an animation station. [21:16] Dragos, have to refresh me. No beer tonight, sadly I am sober. [21:16] my ex mother inlaw was a teacher... she certainly couldn't afford to travel so much. [21:16] they must pay good in the states [21:16] Hoi #16, how did it go today? [21:17] Besides little sleep [21:17] I only need minor counseling [21:17] last week you indicated you would part with 128d jdos [21:17] Frell I must wrk harder on you then {LOL} [21:17] brb, wife calls [21:17] I need a copy of that JDOS [21:18] Dragos: Ah I remember, that one is on the desk of the shop at the moment. Waiting for my other to return. Still aave to send off KB for repairs. [21:18] Int he FWIW department, the shop has reopened as of yesterday. [21:19] LordRonin i try to call you tonight I got from Scene World #14 got no anwer [21:19] #16, have the AFMBE book set aside for you. [21:19] * BryanP (~bryan.pop@c-68-39-30-26.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:19] Good, I'll try to stop by tomorrow [21:20] beeman, if that was the 503-325-2905 number. The BBS isn't back up yet. If it was the 503-325-1896 number. That is my son Mark Reed, who is not dealing with me anymore. [21:20] Hoi BryanP [21:20] Hello Lord Ronin... Another Sat night... :) [21:20] Left it on top of the 2002 in the shop. Been cleaning and arranging as you saw last night with my twisted back. [21:21] Howdy BryanP [21:21] i saw [21:21] Hey Snog! [21:21] beeman: current ph# for the answering machine is 503-325-2616. But I don't have L.D. service. [21:21] The 2905 number [21:21] I know how you feel LR [21:22] as of feb 21 I've suffering from arthrose in my hips and spine [21:22] beeman: that is the BBS number, same line that I am using for this connection. Hope to have it back up in 60 days for the BBS. [21:22] O K [21:23] the meds I take for something else don't help any, as they cause muscle and joint pain too [21:23] Trek: Old injuries from the war. Been inactive for 7 months. Now trying to do it all in just a few days. Body complains a lot these days. Too much arthritis in the joints. As well as plastic parts. [21:23] ew that must really smart lr [21:23] Trek: was on 250mg percs for a time. Don't really remember much about those days. [21:24] bomb blast in Nam. [21:24] LR> Well, at least you are still with us! [21:24] I'm taking pms acet codine for the pain [21:25] well good you made it out safely lr [21:25] Snogpitch: If Charles has GoDot. The HiBitMap will convert the C.E. scans and he can save as GeoPaint. I did that for a few of the samples I sent him. [21:25] I believe he still has GoDot from the demo I did a couple years ago [21:26] I have one of those scetch pads for the 64 [21:26] Trek: Off pain pills now. Just Beer! Ah Robert just arrived here at the kibbutz. [21:26] the software doesn't allow for a save though [21:26] howdy RB [21:26] /nick RobertB [21:26] say hi to robert for me and see if he is interested in a 1581 with jiffydos and a 1541-ii without in its box [21:26] * LordRonin is now known as RobertB [21:27] Tell Robert I said Hi [21:27] Howdy RobertB [21:27] RobertB> Hello! [21:27] Hi, everybody. I just got into Dave's place right now. [21:27] we saw! :) [21:28] Hi, Beeman and Snog. [21:28] I'll have to stop by tomorrow robert [21:28] I can't have any beer or nsaids for the pain [21:28] * MikeC_BRB (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:28] it is dangerous with the treatment I'm on [21:29] I won't be around, Scott. I'll be back in Portland. [21:29] Howdy MikeC_BRB [21:29] * MikeC_BRB is now known as MikeC [21:29] Hi guys [21:29] Bye for now. Got to unload things out of the car for LR. [21:29] howdy MC [21:29] * RobertB is now known as LordRonin [21:29] later robert [21:30] Hoi gang Going to help Robert be AFK for a time. [21:30] cya LR [21:30] later [21:30] l8r LR [21:32] I thought that cart was on Bo's site, but I don't see it... [21:32] let me check the other computer and see if it's downloaded... [21:34] Hey Mike. [21:35] what about on Mayhem's page [21:35] it's supposed to have lots of cartridge scans [21:36] so what cartridge are you looking for Snogpitch? [21:37] * Beeman (~Javauser@225-8.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:40] Hi Golan...what's new? [21:41] the 128 diag cart [21:41] jas [21:41] I've got the one for the c64 downloaded, thought I had the 128 version too. [21:41] Hey WizardNJ.. How's life? [21:41] * village16 (~Javauser@166.214.3.26) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:42] ok i guess how u doin? [21:42] If I have it, can't find it at the moment [21:42] not bad... just here hanging out on a Sat nite... [21:43] does it have a proper name? [21:43] * JavaUser (~Javauser@166.214.3.26) has joined #c64friends [21:43] * JavaUser is now known as village16 [21:44] you mean the diag cart? [21:46] hmmm... here's an interesting page http://www.commodore.ca/manuals/default.htm [21:46] ya, lots of manuals there :) [21:49] http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/demodisks/c128/index.html [21:49] bottom of page [21:49] That's the diskette not the cartridge I think... [21:50] * BryanP (~bryan.pop@c-68-39-30-26.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [21:51] ya, that's the disk [21:55] * BryanP (~bryan.pop@c-68-39-30-26.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:56] errgh.. well that was annoying.. I got disconnected and wasn't told till I tried to talk.. :( [21:56] ya, that happens sometimes :/ [21:57] I have defaults to not close the page, and losing the connection keeps the page open [21:57] If I chose to have it close the page, I'd know right away :/ [22:01] * JavaUser (Javauser@207.134.80.119) has joined #c64friends [22:02] hellooooooooooooooo everybody! [22:02] * JavaUser is now known as a7guy [22:03] Howdy a7guy [22:03] i dont see the 128 diag cart snog [22:03] It's hot and humid in Montreal tonight! [22:03] http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/schematics/cartridges/c64/diag/ here's the 64 version [22:04] i have one of those already [22:04] six is bringing his eprom programmer [22:04] Back guys. But gotta spilt and do some Geos work with Robert. See you all next week. [22:04] ya, I thought I had the 128 version but can't find it [22:04] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:04] see ya tomorrow [22:05] * village16 (~Javauser@166.214.3.26) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:06] Who wants to see the greatest used video game store on Earth? [22:07] in person? [22:08] Well, no. [22:08] http://jamie-sam.livejournal.com/3432.html [22:09] So what's the interest level in here for my RGBI to VGA scan converter? [22:10] high [22:10] I'd be willing to look at it [22:10] Sounds cool to me. [22:10] golan> there looks like growth from the walls... [22:11] The growth are games. Games, games, games. [22:11] that's good. I'm wondering if I should get off my *** and put up a page for it? [22:11] is it close to being done? [22:12] The PCB is being made this week, there's already a list of things to do for the next version, I'm starting microcontroller code tomorrow... [22:12] Dragos: Not even close yet. When I get the PCBs, I'll have to start slowly. [22:12] And... no FPGAs! [22:13] it's hot and humid in Saint Jerome too a7guy [22:13] golan> there was a bunch of pic kinda like this posted in this other board i am on.. but it was showing a *lot* of arcade boards... [22:13] Trek: St Jerome you say? Sometimes I go there for the linear parc! [22:13] * JoeCommod (~joec@64.174.30.242) has joined #c64friends [22:14] Howdy JoeCommod [22:14] ... being sold in a store somewhere in Japan.. [22:14] Hi everybody! [22:14] it's a nice place and not too far from Montreal, which is perfect for me :) [22:14] * Moloch (moloch@c-67-183-23-210.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:14] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Moloch [22:15] Hi Moloch [22:15] Hiya [22:15] Howdy Moloch [22:15] What's going on? [22:15] not much [22:15] Hiya Snog [22:16] Robert finally made it to LordRonin's place... [22:16] How many people use the 128's VDC? [22:17] that guy sure gets around. [22:17] Most of us 128 users do :) [22:18] Basic 8, Wheels, Geos128, Desterm, mostly [22:18] * groepaz (~groepaz@ip217.2.1411J-CUD12K-03.ish.de) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:19] I terminal with it now and again, in Merlin 128 I use it. or do you mean the graphics mode? [22:19] So, no software that changes the VDC's parameters around like the HSYNC frequency and stuff like that? [22:20] Desterm changes the freq if you go higher than a 26 line display [22:20] makes my Magnavox80 squeel [22:20] Well, it'll proably not play good with VGA monitors either. [22:21] other than that, I haven't noticed any weird effects in vdc [22:21] * Schema (~zzz@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [22:21] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Schema [22:22] Evening, Schema. [22:22] Howdy Schema [22:22] We'll see. I'll be testing with a 1950 and a LCD panel. That's a very small sample size, lots of monitors might not like the weird frequencies [22:22] Hi Schema [22:22] hi all [22:22] * Jason (~123@pool-71-255-218-163.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) has joined #c64friends [22:22] Howdy Jason [22:22] Hi Jason [22:22] 1950should work,it syncs to15khz [22:22] a7guy, try Desterm and see for yourself...I think it was V3 that had that [22:23] hi guys [22:23] mech: Yeah, I know, that's the problem, it's a good multisync monitor so it won't tell me much about how fixed-frequency VGA monitors will behave. [22:23] a7guy: vga will need 31.5khz iirc [22:23] to even show a useable pic [22:24] snog: I wrote a small proggy to twiddle the VDC registers. The claim that you can get 30KHz HSYNC just by changing a VDC register is bunk. [22:24] or did i miss some hardware hack earlier you guys are talking about? [22:24] wierd tpcser issue - my bbs hanging up on some callers no rhyme or reason [22:24] mech: Oh, I'm talking about my super top-secret RGBI to VGA scan converter project [22:24] lol [22:24] any idears? [22:24] mech: My PCBs are on their way [22:24] could be net lag... [22:25] yes, it never happens when I connect from internal network [22:25] a7guy: iirc,vanessaD had a schematic worked out to do it [22:26] with net lag, you have multiple finger pointing which may not help anything at your end [22:26] mech: Well, it is my opinion that her approach is non optimal. I am using a dedicated scan converter chip. [22:27] a7guy: you're probabaly right [22:27] mech: I don't believe in re-inventing the wheel, it's a 9.70$ chip... [22:27] you might want to ask the disconnector's when they come back if they used emulated or real equipment [22:27] VanessaD is on my mailing list and has contributed a nice little look-up table for the 128's colors. [22:27] a7guy: its a project thats long overdue in any case [22:27] over time you may see a pattern [22:28] mech: My opinion, that might not be shared by others, is that some hobbyists set their sights too high for their time/abilities and end up doing nothing... [22:28] * tristar (tristar@silenceisdefeat.org) has joined #c64friends [22:29] If I slow down the BPS, would it make tcpser less sensitive to timing? [22:29] Howdy tristar [22:29] I see too many references to FPGAs for example. Those things are expensive, need good decoupling, and require a good number of external parts to become scan converters. [22:29] jaja [22:29] das ist gute [22:29] i wouldnt think a fpga used as a scan doubler would be harder than adedicated chip..lol [22:29] bps could be a start if it is a problem on your end [22:29] I means, just look at the genlock PLL to recover the dot clock from the HSYNC. To get a nice PLL to handle that you're already looking at a 40$ chip, and it isn't doing anything yet. [22:30] You still need fast dual-port memory (or tricky multiplexing) and a RAMDAC. [22:30] yes,its amazing how complex scan doubling can be [22:31] I watched Jeri code up a scan doubler on her FPGA package in about 45 minutes at C4 [22:31] yes, she was working on that, wonder how it turned out [22:32] and?> [22:32] mech: Precisely. So just get the ASIC for 9.70$ !! You also need a FPGA programmer chip, and now you're looking at an expensive 4 layer PCB FULL of high-speed parts, which are going to get you into all SORTS of trouble with DDJ, power supply decoupling, timing issues, etc.. [22:32] I aim low, target a simple goal, and stick to it. No extra features, no kitchen sink, no frills. [22:32] I'm already upset at the number of parts on my design. [22:32] She's been super busy since C4 and didn't get to do any more with it, unfortunately. [22:33] looking forware to WoC [22:33] schema: Yeah, on a board that already has two FPGAs and months of work already on it... [22:33] er, forward [22:33] * Rhapsody (Rhapsody@CPE000c41c15402-CM013459903130.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:33] king of da typos! [22:33] thats mr king to you [22:34] oh about Mr. DIngle? [22:34] anyone out there wanna help me test my bbs connection? Just double click my name -> [22:34] what's the telnet terminal that runs through the RRNet cartridge? [22:34] hes in the other channel, moloch [22:34] :)\ [22:34] hehe [22:35] Joe: GuruTerm [22:35] depends on what kind of test you need to run, an emulated or actual C= hardware.. [22:35] Thanks [22:35] what i would like is a device # switch with 7 segment LED drive number indicator [22:36] sup [22:36] hey nez [22:36] either/or.. At this point, it would be good to see if either will lock up the tcpser [22:36] jaja [22:36] hallo! [22:36] Snog: I think he's testing his local end, so it doesn't matter what's calling him, really [22:36] Anyways, I hope it will be simpe enough for most people to build on their own. Maybe do a qty purchase of PCB and parts kit. [22:37] hehe [22:37] a7guy: we'll see when u get it done;) [22:37] a7, that would be excellent. [22:38] mech: Indeed... It might just turn out to be an attractive paperweight but I doubt it. [22:38] * Snogpitch eyes attractive paperweights [22:38] It's not an exotic or unusual project, it's just a tiny niche market ... [22:38] * Moloch eyes attractive females [22:38] Snog is weird! ;) [22:39] by who's standard? [22:39] haha [22:39] girls? [22:39] where? [22:39] oh, just wildstar... [22:39] actually I rather enjoyed watching beach volleyball on tv this afternoon :) [22:40] Oh yeah, nothing like a 6ft athletic woman in a swinsuit [22:40] jaja das ist gute! [22:40] sehr gut [22:40] or a swimsuit even! [22:40] and the closeup shots :) [22:41] jasom: soneome swapped the n and m keys om ny keyboard [22:42] a7guy you're lucky, could have been all the keys swapped [22:42] happened at work once... [22:42] Keys feel funny though, all the angles are wrong [22:43] does anyone have the link to the ad for the shadow copy board someone posted online? [22:44] nope [22:44] * Moloch hides the link [22:44] wow, its like an echo [22:45] don't recall seeing anyone announcing it [22:46] * CTalkobt (~chatzilla@adsl-221-104-137.rmo.bellsouth.net) has joined #c64friends [22:47] Is that part of the Utilities Unlimited collection? [22:47] Hi everyone [22:47] Howdy CTalkobt [22:47] hi CTalkobt [22:48] no, Shadow Copy was released by MegaSoft [22:48] MegaSoft was basically the beginning of a long line of fake corps - ending in UU [22:48] fake corps? [22:50] So I guess the answer to my question is "sort of" [22:53] * the_woz (The_WOZ@190.49.215.241) Quit [22:54] http://cbm.csbruce.com/~csbruce/cbm/transactor/v5/i3/p080.png [22:55] ohh picture, gotta click! [22:55] * tristar (tristar@silenceisdefeat.org) Quit (irc.frog-face.com *.split) [22:56] * Moloch (moloch@c-67-183-23-210.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: "There was in their city a bronze image of Moloch extending its hands, palms up and sloping toward the ground, so that each of the children when placed thereon rolled down and fell into a sort of gaping pit filled with fire.") [22:57] Kool - I like the japense as the standard language... Sprite definitions of 24 x 2 would definatly be interesting. [23:00] that wasn't exactly the magasoft ad ... :) [23:00] Here is a pet Sighting from Buck Rogers TV series... http://www.portcommodore.com/misc/brp et.png [23:00] Preaaing [23:01] oh uh Erin Gray?? [23:01] * randomact (~jgrannema@74.135.126.25) has joined #c64friends [23:01] Hello All [23:01] yep, (pressing Ply on tape to play a video recording) [23:01] bidi bidi bidi [23:02] Howdy randomact [23:02] brb [23:02] * CTalkobt (~chatzilla@adsl-221-104-137.rmo.bellsouth.net) Quit (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]) [23:02] Oh yeah, the multimedia PET [23:02] Did it show pictures of Erin Gray? [23:02] touche me erin, touch me like youdo ricky [23:03] mwhaha [23:03] Looks like a nice HP RF voltmeter in the background. [23:03] I'll bebuck rodgers [23:03] lol [23:03] Well Pamela Hensley was seriously hot too [23:03] * CTalkobt (~www.ctalk@adsl-221-104-137.rmo.bellsouth.net) has joined #c64friends [23:04] I got it from my DVD, lets see what I got... http://www.portcommodore.com/misc/brpet2.png this is the 'video' [23:06] * golan is watching Flight of the Navigator from 1986... [23:06] I'ts in aother scene with the power on http://www.portcommodore.com/misc/brpet3.png [23:09] How cool [23:09] I think there is one in the background of Kirk's condo in STII [23:09] http://evg2000.com/c64/1541shadowboard.jpg used to be the page Dragos was looking for... [23:10] yep [23:10] damnit [23:10] Heres on in T3, looks iike a fat-forty http://www.portcommodore.com/misc/t3pet.jpg (had to lighten very dark) [23:14] Heres the Star Trek one, no real good closeups http://portcommodore.com/misc/st2pet.jpg [23:15] Awesome. He was probably war-dialing... [23:15] Ran out of DVDs w/C=s, I kinow there are B series in Jewel of the Nile... [23:15] Anyone know of a tool to download embedded flash movies? [23:16] usually it's in your cache [23:16] I've pulled many that way [23:16] golan, would this work? http://www.bodytag.org/link/index.php [23:16] whats funny is that silver and glass furiniture is straight out of a Fancy rednecks trailer :) [23:17] just look at the page source to get the path to the .swf, and paste it there [23:17] C:\Documents and Settings\mainuser\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files [23:18] golan's on a Mac ;-) [23:18] mainuser being your login of course [23:18] ah... [23:18] * Schema guesses [23:18] usually you can grab the image and drag it to the desktop [23:18] Doesn't seem to do anything, Schema. :( [23:19] If you are using Firefox you might get it through Page Info in the Edit Menu. [23:19] youtube creates flv files in the temp directory. You can either convert them to mpg or grap a player. http://www.martijndevisser.com/blog/article/flv-player-updated [23:19] Schema: I usually go through the source, find the swf file and then use wget but this is trickier. [23:19] or you can archive the page.... [23:20] golan tell us what to look at, we'll all look :) [23:20] http://www.nfb.ca/animation/objanim/en/films/index.php [23:21] * Jason (~123@pool-71-255-218-163.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) Quit [23:21] The National Film Board of Canada has released a bunch of their animated movies on the web. I *highly* recommend watching "The Big Snit" and "The Cat Came Back". "The Sweater" is also a Canadian classic but not as enjoyable for those that didn't grow up here. [23:21] golan, have you been to the NFB movieplex downtown Toronto? [23:22] Of course! I love sitting in those comfy chairs. :) [23:22] not the *confy* chairs! [23:23] heh, the page isn't coming up, we overloaded it [23:24] I'm there I think? [23:25] I wonder how VCF midwest was (in Indiana) it was today. [23:26] what? [23:26] what the hell? [23:26] looks like you can change the format to quicktime... [23:26] i guess they didnt advertise [23:26] Vintage Computer Festival Midwest [23:27] ya, they advertised... [23:27] I only discovered it when I went on the VCF site to check for the West Coast Date. [23:27] I saw when they originally announced...no speakers listed [23:28] I even mentioned it at the CCCC meeting [23:28] The eas coast one looked cool had David Ahl (Creative Computing) there. [23:29] I've got a couple of his books [23:29] golan, did you try the quicktime option? [23:30] well, you mentioned it before we got there then :) [23:30] * Neztik (~neztik@dfhdns.com) has left #c64friends [23:31] maybe, don't be late next time :) [23:31] Snog: No, I didn't see one. Let me look. [23:32] I see tabs at the top of the movie box that say help preferences and large format [23:32] JoeCommod> he was pretty cool... Check out some pics I took here: http://home.comcast.net/~bryan.pope/index.html [23:32] If you have QTpro, probably can download it [23:33] I do. I'm looking into it now. [23:33] * antares51 (~rick@ip68-99-23-185.om.om.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [23:34] I don't recall if I have pro on this machine... [23:34] Howdy antares51 [23:34] Evening. [23:34] I would have liked his talk to be more about his magazine, but it was still very interesting! [23:35] was the mag Creative Computing? [23:35] trying to remember... [23:36] I've got almost 48 baby tomatoes on my vines. That's the only bright spot to this hot weather here. [23:36] So what did he talk about, DEC? [23:37] Snog> Yes.. he auctioned off the first 12 issues. [23:37] ...that and programmimg my plus/4. [23:37] What are you coding Antares? [23:37] Snog: I was able to grab The Big Snit as it was available in Quicktime. The Sweater isn't. :( Time to try The Cat Came Back. [23:37] plus his first two books [23:38]