[21:45] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:45] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64 and Q-Link!!' [21:45] Well, nobody said we were talking about violent stuff yet. [21:45] Basic 8. [21:45] Howdy folks [21:45] cbmnut: of what? [21:45] hey sog [21:45] snog [21:45] <^Oldbit> Loved that game on the PC.. spent hour flying to hard rock.. :) [21:45] snog [21:45] Snoggy! (sir) [21:45] Chuck Yeagers AFT [21:45] ah [21:45] <^Oldbit> Snoggers [21:45] a7yvm109g: not many, to be honest. Some BBS's will, a few games, but for the most part, none really [21:46] M.U.L.E [21:46] reader: Kronis rift is about the same, since they issued the apple dox for the game. GFX may be better on the 64, but that is a biased opinion. Only saw the screen shots of the apple [21:46] music rocked [21:46] What about "Jet?" [21:46] mech: already mentioned that too [21:46] MULE's already been mentioned... [21:46] Hogan's Alley. [21:46] hey icame in late ;D [21:46] well mech, I just got here... :/ [21:46] Pool of Radiance? [21:46] <^Oldbit> Paradroid [21:46] Nah, Paradroid has big guns an' stuff. [21:46] maniac mansion tournament any ome? [21:47] ;-) [21:47] the last ninja [21:47] reader: good, good. I can concentrate on getting a genlock working with the power-up values. [21:47] yie ar kingfu [21:47] destined: glad I hve a cheat file and walk through for that one. [21:47] For the latecomers, we're listing non-violent games. [21:47] I think the most vilent, and stipud game I ever saw was "klan cookout" on the apple... infact, you had zero control, it was more like a really short and stupid demo that didn't do much of anything amazing [21:47] Oh yeah, going around and kicking the crap out of people is non-violent. =-) [21:47] Although Johnny, who asked the question, seems to have left. [21:47] <^Oldbit> Little Computer People [21:47] Jumpman wasn't too violent, unless you fell [21:47] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:47] LCP already got listed... [21:47] Mentioned. [21:47] non violent? how boring ;) [21:48] Hoi MikeC [21:48] <^Oldbit> duh [21:48] evolution [21:48] Hi guys [21:48] Ferris's Christmas Caper. [21:48] zorro [21:48] TMR{C0S}: dont remember that [21:48] bruce lee [21:48] no wait, you killed people [21:48] Oh come off it, Bruce Lee is violent as hell! [21:48] Hi MikeC. [21:48] http://www.gb64.com/game.php?id=9024&d=18&h=0 <-- Ferris's Christmas Caper. [21:48] non violent? How about phto safari on an old load star disk? [21:48] Ninja Turtles [21:49] when reader said zorro,i remembered that brucelee was on the back of my disk [21:49] heh [21:49] I love deathsword [21:49] Hey Golan, what's new? [21:49] <^Oldbit> Does anything that has the word "Ninja" count as non-violent? [21:49] * TMR{C0S} writes "non violent" and staples it to destined's forehead! [21:49] funny i remeber that but cant remember what i ate for lunch..hmm [21:49] the blood squirt form the neck is awesome [21:49] supercycle [21:49] <^Oldbit> wow.. that was violent... [21:49] TMR{C0S}: Can we talk about D and D or RpG? [21:49] * Dan (~Dan@c-69-243-241-94.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:50] Howdy Dan [21:50] Hoi Dan [21:50] hi there [21:50] Doubt it, how many RPGs don't involve fighting in some form? [21:50] <^Oldbit> Qix [21:50] rpg..zzz [21:50] golan, i'm here in spirit. [21:50] Asl Ronin [21:50] ;-) [21:50] MikeC: Not much. Trying to keep my eyes open actually. I don't know why I'm so tired. I slept late and did zilch today. [21:50] *ask [21:51] ASL?!! [21:51] Dino Eggs wasen't violent. :) [21:51] Arkanoid I and II [21:51] BC's quest for tires [21:51] see typos [21:51] ya, Qix wasn't violent [21:51] no that was sorta violent i guess [21:51] Arkanoid is violent, you can use the ball to twonk the nasties. [21:51] What about hard hat mack? [21:51] archon? [21:51] yahtzee any one [21:51] hehe [21:51] * ^Oldbit opens a box of pink, fuzzy bunnies for TMR.... [21:51] mech: grogs revenge [21:51] Pong, that's not violent. [21:52] <^Oldbit> depends if you are the ball or not... [21:52] * TMR{C0S} looks dubiously at the bunnies... can i eat 'em? [21:52] Golan: ...and the weather was pretty crappy today. [21:52] unless the ball explodes [21:52] pink fuzzy bunnies? are those peeps? [21:52] Hard Hat Mack was a bit disappointing. It's really easy and only used 4 colours. [21:52] * destined hands tmr some stockings [21:52] Burger Time. [21:52] <^Oldbit> Hey the Easter sales were good! [21:52] Impossible mission 1 and 2? [21:52] Synchro or Synchro 2 and Made In France... [21:52] * a7yvm109g (Javauser@207.134.86.42) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:53] golan: it still roqs, and it was ported from the apple (which is harder than the 64 version) [21:53] <^Oldbit> IM1 and 2 were violent... [21:53] <^Oldbit> Leader Board [21:53] reader: It looks like an Apple ][ game. [21:53] it should, it's a port [21:53] :-) [21:53] Bruce Lee was ported from the A8, but nobody notices... =-) [21:53] Leaderboard is great. I don't know why I love it so much becuase I'm not a golfer. [21:54] Pro Golf [21:54] Carmen San diego series? [21:54] A8? [21:54] Atari 8-bit series. [21:54] oh heh [21:54] * pacman (Javauser@1Cust1202.an1.det15.da.uu.net) has joined #c64friends [21:54] Hoi pacman [21:54] Howdy pacman [21:54] the games were fun,wasnt time to notice the crappy gfx :D [21:54] golan: back in the day we'd get drunk and high and play leaderboard for $1/hole [21:54] hi everyone [21:54] Y'can tell by the res of the backgrounds, the colours of the sprites, the number of sprites and their widths. All within Atari hardware specs. [21:55] What is the name of that truck game by moloch? [21:55] I wasn't really old enough to drink back in the day. [21:55] International truck racing? [21:55] golan: winner had to go buy more beer/weed, so, no big deal with the winning [21:55] <^Oldbit> Master of the Lamps [21:55] ah ya [21:55] or shoudl I say released under him [21:55] simon [21:56] Bugger... it's 3am, i'm going to bed... =-) [21:56] * TMR{C0S} stumbles off... [21:56] scott adams adventures [21:56] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@cpc2-leed5-0-0-cust629.leed.cable.ntl.com) Quit (Quit: www.cosine.org.uk \\ www.oldschool-gaming.com) [21:56] blueprint [21:56] <^Oldbit> Curious how many play emulated or real... (be honest) [21:57] reader: good one if that ever game to the 64 [21:57] real [21:57] both [21:57] I play both emulated and real. [21:57] both played here [21:57] Never emulated. [21:57] {Garth 64} real [21:57] * mech pats ShadowM on the back [21:57] :) [21:57] <^Oldbit> both [21:58] * LordRonin gets ShadowM a beer for that one [21:58] Tapper. [21:58] break dance [21:58] Tapper is violent if you miss a mug [21:58] (mawahaha) [21:59] {Garth 64} aussie games [21:59] Tapper is fun :) [21:59] california raisins [21:59] I do everything with emulation. [21:59] goonies [21:59] <^Oldbit> I run emulation when I have to have the space for work, (small shop) [21:59] naw,thats violent [22:00] Burger time was fun aslo. [22:00] how about tapper with witht the mountain dew switcheroo par tof the game [22:01] ARGH. I just grabbed Hard Hat Mack from c64.com to try it again and it didn't work. [22:01] night driver [22:01] Emulation allows saving the game state. [22:01] * ^Oldbit built a very cool PC joystick adapter this week.. [22:01] lol,bad bad bad atari 2600 game [22:02] pacman, so does a SuperSnapshot :) [22:02] There we go. Gamebase came through. [22:02] Phantom Karate Devils = bad, bad C64 game. [22:02] * Rose_Redu (wanderer@229.orlando-02rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net) has joined #c64friends [22:02] Hoi Rose [22:02] Howdy Rose_Redu [22:02] http://www.gamespot.com/c64/driving/burninrubber/index.html [22:03] ShadowM, True, but emulator loading the state back is much faster. [22:03] Hi Ronin, Snog [22:03] Hey rose [22:03] hey destined [22:03] radar rat race [22:03] Hey wanderer [22:03] * Moloch (~moloch@c-67-183-23-210.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:03] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Moloch [22:03] Howdy Moloch [22:03] Hiya [22:03] Elite? [22:04] Hey jon [22:04] Omega Race....or was that for the Vic 20? [22:04] Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. [22:04] * JohnnyL has the vic-20 cartride of omega race (gorf too). [22:04] Hoi Moloch [22:05] Hiya LR [22:05] Leather Goddes of Phoboes (sp?) [22:05] omega race was on the c64 [22:05] * m3ch (4000d@dialup-4.227.11.99.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:05] Hoi m3ch [22:05] hey LR [22:06] Gorf is on the 64 also [22:06] Curious... Has anybody here worked much with 64hdd? [22:06] CMD-HD [22:06] Played Omega Race for hours....still very playable. [22:06] Hello LR. [22:06] asteroids [22:06] Hoi antares51 [22:06] ah track and field,a joystick killer [22:07] Pitfall II [22:07] @Moloch, are you the same Moloch on Lemon64? [22:07] toy bizarre [22:07] * mech (4000d@dialup-4.227.11.188.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [22:07] yes [22:07] transformers [22:07] spindizzy [22:07] * m3ch is now known as Mech [22:07] Dan: probably [22:07] ;-) [22:07] What a beautiful day it was here. Just a perfect day to do lawn work. [22:07] @Moloch, oh hi I'm Wasteland on there [22:08] ya, didn't see sprinkles here until after sunset [22:08] ah, ok [22:08] Fort Apocalypse [22:08] {WQAA541} ime o play burnin' rubber [22:08] Left QRoom: WQAA541 [22:08] wizard of wor [22:09] they stole a million [22:09] Left QRoom: Garth 64 [22:09] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has left #c64friends (Try QuantumLink RELOADED!) [22:09] Hello Rose. [22:09] transformers [22:09] hi Antares [22:09] anyone? bueller? bueller? [22:09] * Garth (garthelder@c220-239-153-56.eburwd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has left #c64friends [22:09] must be a quiet nite in QLink? [22:09] Agent Usa? [22:10] Head Over Heels had amazing graphics [22:10] I thought Qbert had very good graphics. [22:10] ya, joystick orientation was a bummer tho [22:11] I also liked Return to Atlantis. [22:12] * Oldbit (~oldbit@oh-65-41-206-130.sta.sprint-hsd.net) has joined #c64friends [22:13] its really incredible how many games the c64 had [22:13] Howdy Oldbit [22:13] Hoi Oldbit [22:13] stupid DSL dropping out today... [22:14] * ^Oldbit (~oldbit@oh-65-41-206-130.sta.sprint-hsd.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [22:14] I liked Scrolls of Abolon(sp?) [22:14] * Oldbit is now known as ^Oldbit [22:16] * ShadowM (~shadow@adsl-69-210-40-158.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:16] Just heard some thunder outside... [22:16] nuight all [22:16] Snogpitch: your turn for the storms? [22:16] * destined (~hmm@dialup-4.242.186.8.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) Quit (Quit: Client exiting) [22:16] It is a shame Commodore did not produce a better successor after the C64 for games. [22:16] funny, just heard thunder here too :) [22:17] Good night destined. [22:17] pacman: sure they did.. the amiga :D [22:17] but technically the 128 could be good for games,but its ignored [22:17] I did see some lighting on my home tonight [22:17] yeah the amiga is a good game machine [22:17] Well, the Amiga was impressive...but too costly for most people. [22:17] Snogpitch: we just had 2 days of rain and storms,some hail and lotsa lightning [22:17] * James_M (~james@adsl-75-3-120-127.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) has joined #c64friends [22:17] Hello [22:17] Hoi James M [22:17] Howdy James_M [22:18] Hi James [22:18] pacman: see what the c64 cost when it came out? [22:18] i don't believe the amiga 500 was any more expensive when introduced than the 64 was? [22:18] Played with the amiga, have to use one now for Inet. Nice, better than the heretic. But I still prefere my 128D [22:18] iirc,the A500 wasnt much more.. 1000 was expensive tho initially [22:18] I got mine for about $350 [22:18] LordRonin: what machine u on? [22:19] 1200 using miami and amtelnet. WB 3.5 but 3.0 rom [22:19] 4000 mediator here im on [22:19] not many people could afford $1000+ for a game machine back then. [22:19] $500 maybe [22:19] pacman: it could do alot more than games back then [22:19] Bunch of memory in it with a cobra thing. SXtill don't know how to use it and lord alberonn didn't copy all the reader tools. Can't play my games, as I can't read the dox. [22:20] LordRonin: dkb cobra board? [22:20] Mech what is a mediator? Seen a 4000 desk top and the power tower conversion. I'm the fanatic C= guy in the goup. [22:21] mediator is a PCI expansion,can use pci cards [22:21] Mech, I agree....but the C64 was primarly a cheap game machine. [22:21] I remember the box said cobra, thinkit was an accelerator or the SCSI connection. [22:21] pacman: if u go by horsepower,the amiga really jumped ahead tho,which should cost more i guess [22:21] LordRonin: both i think [22:22] A500 shipped for $599 MSRP [22:22] and the price increase is justified [22:22] was [22:22] hah [22:22] and you got a disk drive in that price... [22:22] Hello LordRonin [22:23] more ram,floppy drive,68000,yea [22:23] Wildstar! [22:23] Hello antares51 [22:23] Mech, yes, but it was not taken seriously as a business computer and too expensive for games. [22:23] Hoi Wildstar [22:23] I've missed you 'round here. [22:24] I been busy lately antares51\ [22:24] Hey I like Wings, Char, Knights of the Sky, Dungeon Master and the Valhalla series on the Amiga. [22:24] Funny, the Amiga dominated the games market for years... clearly not too expensive [22:24] pacman: depends what circle u traveleed. [22:24] It's good to see you. [22:24] LordRonin, how is things going? [22:24] amiga's were also used alot for BBS's [22:24] i don't really think too expensive... everyone i knew had one. probably more commodore and their failure to market anything after the C64. [22:24] I paid $1500 for an Amiga 500 system with monitor....and didnt work at first coz of lose chips. [22:24] BTW I got my CompTIA A+ certification. [22:24] I was a student in high school and bought an A500 [22:24] C= always did a horrible marketing job [22:25] i got a A2000 in my highschool year [22:25] A+ Certification, ah! [22:25] 88 [22:25] remeber grapevine? :D [22:25] Wildstar no improvement on things [22:25] * Roadnoise (Roadnoise@da001d1558.nyc-ny.osd.concentric.net) has joined #c64friends [22:25] Ah.... no progress I see. [22:25] Hello Roadnoise. [22:25] Hoi Roadnoise [22:26] Mech only as a spitfire BBS in this area by that name. [22:26] rain just showed up... [22:26] I have nothing againt the Amiga...just wish that commdore had make a better C64 also. [22:26] pacman: well, they tried with the 128 [22:26] I feel the need for relief. I double-dare someone to bash me with a frozen trout! [22:26] it just was too little too late [22:26] Commodore did try to make a better C64... the C65 - too late [22:26] Hello antares51. Hello LordRonin. [22:27] yes,c65 also. [22:27] The 128 is not bad either...but did not offer much for game developers. [22:27] @Moloch, that C64 i won arrived [22:27] more ram,fast 2mhz mode,vdc(although limited) huh? [22:27] Wasteland - Great. ;) [22:27] :D [22:27] I this discussion clearly shows why Commodore went bust...and people blame the marketing? [22:28] the 128 was basically three computer designes bunled into one... not actually much more powerful than the c64. [22:28] *bundled [22:28] All Commodore had to do was take the C64, add more memory and CPU speed and a few new graphics modes. [22:28] Come on. Someone hit me with the trout! [22:28] and release it a year or two after the original C64 [22:28] like the C65? [22:28] pacman: didnt u just describe the c128? lol [22:28] * Trinary slaps antares51 around a bit with a frozen cod. [22:28] I think C= was too scared of breaking compatability when they came out with the C128 [22:29] Thank you! [22:29] if the C128 offed more sprites maybe. [22:29] MikeC: explain? [22:29] Conditioned response to the plus/4. [22:29] cbmnut: actually they had had too many incompatible things before the 128 is why [22:29] Someone is talking as if chip creation, especially graphics, is done overnight. [22:30] true. They did learn some things with the plus/4 [22:30] Mech: pretty obvious...people's perceptions of the C64/Amiga has gaming machines, etc. [22:30] the Vic-20 and C64 were created in very short time. [22:30] Commodore engineers bent over backwards to make the 128. They had their hands full. [22:30] yea,ironically i can remember local people doing taxes on c64's long ago [22:30] Well I have seen some good desk top publishing work on the Amiga. As well as eric Schwarts animation work from the amiga. [22:31] * rebotardo (~Javauser@ppp170-233.lns1.per1.internode.on.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:31] i had a friend that was printing color usergroup mag on his A1000 back in 87.. looked **** impressive to me ;D [22:31] Besides, the A500 was the perfect replacement for the C-64. I'm surprised people don't see it that way. [22:32] MikeC: it really was a good little machine [22:32] ok, what's the most complicated game for the c64? [22:32] The Amiga 500 was a completly different machine. [22:32] Commodore did a number on the Amiga. Products and programs promised but not delivered. Advertising poorly focused. [22:32] pacman: it was a logical upgrade really [22:32] pacman: different technology but not a different role. [22:32] JohnnyL for me anything that requirs jumping on platforms {G} [22:32] hehe [22:33] Lack of programs and kinks to work out in the OS. [22:33] MikeC: i think alot of ppl got a A500,and assumed thats what all amiga's ended up being [22:33] Did CBM ever really advert the Amiga to any length, outside of C= based magazines? [22:33] http://www.commodore.ca/products/128/Commodore_128.htm [22:33] Mech, I owned all the Commdore machines but ened up back to the C64. [22:33] a great read on the 128 [22:34] * CincyJim (~sock@68.171.80.162) has joined #c64friends [22:34] Mech: It was great, low-cost home computer. Personally, I bought a A2000 instead and went from there. [22:34] Simple to program, a huge base of games. [22:34] Howdy CincyJim [22:34] Hoi CincyJim [22:34] Hello all [22:34] ...but if people wanted to play games, they were better off buying a NES. [22:34] MikeC: same place i started [22:34] They told me in the local UG tht if I tried out an Amiga for a week I'd never go back to the 64/128. Gave t two weeks and sold the 500 with WB 1.3. [22:35] ...if people wanted an all-rounded home computer, you couldn't beat the Amiga. [22:35] The Next Step was also a machine ahead of its time....but never took hold. [22:35] And the suits never let the engineers focus on new systems without canceling and rescheduling. (A3000+, AAA and A600) [22:35] @LordRonin, agreed... [22:35] management was always coming up with oddball distractions.. A600 etc [22:35] The Amiga had a higher learning curve for programming. [22:35] well of course [22:35] lol [22:36] its a multitasking OS [22:36] The cancellation of the 500 and introducing the A600 was utter stupidity! [22:36] When they said it was because I needed WB 2.0 or higher, and I saw the cost. Stayed with the 64/128. Like the compatibility thing. As most of the library disks at that time wouldn't run on my 500 [22:37] the 600 was supposed to be a low cost 500 replacement,but it ended up costing more and doing less,with no hope of expansion [22:37] A500, A500+, A300, A600 [22:37] Commodore didn't introduce Amiga harddrives until late then settled on 8 bit IDE. Sad! [22:37] lovely mess-up [22:37] amiga promoted scsi from the getgo [22:37] Who here agrees that the A600 was a mistake. [22:37] ME!!! [22:37] yes, the A300 was a mistake [22:38] The A4000 was a mistake. [22:38] I agree. [22:38] antares51 yeah, the president of the ug at that time was talking about the problems installing the HD in his 1200. That was the first meeting I atteneded in 92. FWIW got that 1200 and a new HD [22:38] Especially when the A1200 was serving the same market [22:38] 4000 was a good mistake,still worked.. 4000T was the flagship tho [22:38] and 3000T [22:38] A600 shipped before A1200 [22:39] But then I think Amiga should have been targeted to business and a successor to the C64 for the home game market. [22:39] I think the A3000/A4000's were fantastic! Sure, they could have been better. A3000 should have had AGA! [22:39] The A1200 almost made me buy an Amiga [22:39] The A3000 could've been a beautiful machine if the suits had kept out of the design. [22:39] pacman: A4000 was big in video toaster crowd [22:39] and running cable stations prevue channel [22:39] etc [22:39] A3000+, yes [22:39] Mech I thought the 3000 was heavy for toaster. One of the ug members picked up one a year aog with toaster. [22:40] i had a chance to buy a A3000+ and missed it ,the only aga 3000 [22:40] So many different Amigas.... [22:40] LordRonin: what u mean 'heavy'? [22:40] pacman: so many 8 bits too. [22:40] As in use [22:40] The A3000 was a "throw together" same with the A4000. The A2000 showed better innovation. [22:40] no,3000 and 4000 made toasters really work well [22:40] Local art people were using it back in the early 90s, 3000 with toaster [22:40] the 3000 was not a throw together [22:41] its was the first new machine haynie got to work out [22:41] it had mega improvements over the 2000 [22:41] Putting everything in a "pizza box"? [22:41] the 2000 was essentially a 500 [22:41] the case sucked.. [22:41] but the 3000T was ok :D [22:41] Probably the other way around, the A500 was a stripped down A2000. [22:41] Dragos: yes with zorro slots [22:41] * bogax (vircuser@dialup-4.240.168.39.Dial1.Phoenix1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [22:42] All the Amiga cases seemed a little flimsy. [22:42] The A3000 had little room to grow inside. It took a special cut-down toaster to work. It overheated like crazy stocked with cards and zip ram. [22:42] pacman: what>?>> [22:42] A2000 case isn't flimsey [22:43] 2000 is a tank [22:43] yep [22:43] A3000 used zips! Yike! [22:43] 3000T and 4000T are tanks.. need wheels and a engine to move em nearly [22:43] Yeah, Zips were expensive! [22:43] antares51: it was designed in 89.. what ya want ;) [22:43] zips did suck tho! [22:44] Tell me how many computers used zips. [22:44] zips = ? [22:44] lotsa PC video cards [22:44] I know only two. The A3000 was one. [22:44] Zigzag inline package. [22:44] zips were used on PC vid cards back then [22:45] Rare and extremely expensive. [22:45]