* Now talking in #c64friends [20:58] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64's and Q-Link!' [20:58] ok, came here from comp.sys.cbm [20:58] Howdy folks [20:58] hi all. [20:58] good texas greeting. [20:59] where do ya live, walter? [20:59] northeast texas [20:59] Welcome. [20:59] cool [20:59] southeast Saskatchewan here. [20:59] birthplace and final resting place of dan blocker [21:00] Wasn't that the guy from Bonanza? [21:00] Hoss [21:00] ha [21:01] Didn't know he was born in Saskatchewan [21:01] check previous i'm from northeast texas [21:02] you're thinking of Art Linkletter. [21:02] :) [21:02] :D [21:02] Art Linkletter played on Bonanza? [21:02] the probable new punter for the Packers, Jon Ryan, is from Regina, Saskatchewan. he averaged 51.6 a punt in Winnipeg last year, and Green Bay snapped him up. [21:02] Well, Snog, i think I'm done with the newsletter. [21:03] lol Snog, no, he was from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, about 40 miles west of here. [21:03] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:03] Entered QRoom: Toydoc [21:03] done as in it is mailed? [21:03] Left QRoom: Toydoc [21:03] Howdy Toydoc [21:03] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has left #c64friends [21:03] * golan (~golan@CPE00306526eb4a-CM00e06f15c828.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:03] Evening. [21:04] Howdy golan [21:04] Hi golan [21:04] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:04] Entered QRoom: Toydoc [21:04] * watson sighs [21:04] What's shaking tonight? [21:04] can anyone get to http://www.swrap.org [21:04] ? [21:04] wb Toydoc [21:04] Left QRoom: Toydoc [21:04] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has left #c64friends [21:05] no, watson [21:05] Seems to take a while...it says connecting, but times out [21:05] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:05] * watson bangs his head on the desk [21:05] My sites have been up & down all week [21:05] server problems at my webhost [21:06] 69.73.159.95? [21:06] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) Quit (Client Quit) [21:06] hmmm, is Q-Link having issues tonight? [21:06] yep [21:08] maybe I'll pop on Q and see what is happening there [21:08] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:08] Entered QRoom: Nelse23 [21:08] {Nelse23} hello? [21:08] My connectivity is horrible tonight too. I can't tell how long I'll last. [21:08] Howdy Nelse23 [21:08] Hello Nelse23. [21:09] {Nelse23} It's been a while [21:09] {Nelse23} I'm using Vice tonight [21:09] Aw, you should use the real 64 :) [21:09] * Moloch (moloch@c-67-183-23-210.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:09] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Moloch [21:10] Howdy Moloch [21:10] Hiya [21:10] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.254.213.59.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:10] Howdy JLawless [21:10] Hi Snog, everyone. [21:10] Entered QRoom: Snogpitch [21:10] {Snogpitch} Looks like I made it here too :) [21:10] {Nelse23} Anyone know anything about the VGA-Commodore graphics adapter? [21:10] hallo there. [21:11] I know a little about it. I was one of the original pre-orderers [21:11] it's considered by many to be vaporware, Nelse. [21:11] personally, i hope is isn't. [21:11] {Nelse23} it would help me out a lot [21:12] some believe it to actually be a hoax, which sucks :( [21:12] * watson shrugs [21:12] Well, it has been a while since it was first announced [21:13] {Nelse23} I did see a website, but it appears to be down [21:13] hey... didn't see you there watson. [21:13] howzit going? [21:13] the website moved. [21:13] {Nelse23} oh [21:13] http://www.commodorescene.servebbs.org/ [21:13] Evening all. [21:14] Hi, antares. [21:14] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) has joined #c64friends [21:14] LR! [21:14] welcome back, LR [21:14] {Snogpitch} Howdy LordRonin [21:14] Hoi gang, the crazy one is still around {G} [21:15] LR: and thank G-D for that. [21:15] Who. Me? [21:15] I don't know what to say about it, really. I can understand it not being a priority. People have jobs & stuff...I know that all too well [21:15] I bought a composite to VGA adaptor. Contrary to the experiences some have had, mine works great. Then I found a 15" LCD TV with composite input. [21:15] {Snogpitch} Which crazy one? [21:15] Hoi Vanessa and Snogpitch. [21:15] {Nelse23} What;s up Lord Ronin? [21:15] But it's been what...two years? [21:15] Oh this old freaked out one on this end of the matrix. [21:16] Watson: the picture posted at the top of the C= VGA page is that of a device called the Cheesebox i think. also, notice there's no input for the 80 column RGBI port. [21:16] Where are you at Jim? [21:16] {Nelse23} I want to be able to use the 128 in 80 col, for Wheels [21:16] Hoi Nelse: Tahat is wht I primarily use on my 128, the 80c mode. [21:16] Home. The denver address is upstream. [21:16] Ya, alot of folks want it for the 128 mode :/ [21:16] {Nelse23} I use Wheels about all of time anymore [21:17] I thought maybe you'd moved from CB. [21:17] Nope. [21:17] Good. [21:17] Yeah. I got the impression that the original idea was to reprogram some uC or PLD inside the Cheesebox [21:18] LordRonin, you'll see a different newsletter editor for the CCCC newsletter this month. [21:18] watty: yeah, I had heard something about that [21:18] {Nelse23} Would have been a great thing [21:18] Sngpitch: What your resinging? Can't do that, Already ahead of you. [21:18] I know Vanessa and I talked about something like that a long time ago [21:19] lol, no it's not the president's job, that's still the same [21:19] sure wish I still had the plans for my scandoubler idea. [21:19] AlanR is doing the newsletter this month [21:19] I wonder if it might be a project worth picking up again [21:19] maybe now's a good time to re-invent it [21:19] Here the PRez, is or was the Editor, SySop, and the C= librarian [21:20] yeah [21:20] I wonder...might it be better just to make a drop-in VDC replacement? [21:20] Warning: total blue-sky thinking here :) [21:20] well [21:21] a replacement for the VDC chip should be possible, but it would be difficult to make, and some people might not go for it [21:21] {Nelse23} Are we talking the VDC inside the 128? [21:21] I didn't think people were that attached to the VDC :) [21:21] noting that the lines coming off the VDC only go through a buffer, I don't see any reason why the h/v synch would be limited by that [21:22] yes, Nelse [21:22] if a replacement was made, would backwards compatibility suffer from it? [21:22] * watson nods [21:22] I don't think so. The VDC is a pretty straightforward chip. [21:22] {Nelse23} Changing the chip would make it compatilbe with a VGA monitor? [21:23] vdc isn't hard to reverse engineer, but there are a few bugs that would have to be emulated to make sure it works with certain software [21:23] Maybe if you modified the C64 VGA chip upgrade Jeri was working on... [21:23] (like the right column h-shift bug, and the 8x1 color cell bug) [21:23] Nelse: if it were built right, possibly. [21:23] * ABC (~Javauser@4.235.99.209) has joined #c64friends [21:24] {Nelse23} hmmm [21:24] Howdy ABC [21:24] {Nelse23} Hi ABC [21:24] Hoi ABC [21:24] Hello All [21:24] The VIC-II is a little harder beast to replace. It just does so much inside the machine...moreso in the 128 even [21:24] But the VDC is just kinda hanging there on the 128 like a leech [21:25] Remember, the VDC was originally intended for a different computer. [21:25] Replace that, and you've taken care of 80-column mode. There are already tons of adapters for 40-column mode, so that's not as big an issue. [21:26] *nod* [21:26] that's what I was going for, watty [21:26] {Nelse23} I hear that there is a 40 col adapter at Radio Shack, true? [21:26] They probably have something there [21:26] just the 80 column side, there are already plenty of 40 column adaptors [21:26] Most computer stores have those adapter [21:26] ..for video games [21:27] {Nelse23} Hmmm, I'll have to look at CompUSA [21:27] The method of addressing the chip on the 128 is obtuse. [21:28] This reminds me somewhat of video addressing on the TRS-80 Model 4. [21:29] I never used a TRS-80...was it that bad? [21:29] BTW...I finished reading On the Edge tonight. I knew it wasn't going to have a happy ending, but it was still sad. :( [21:29] Not bad. Just different and, at times, difficult. [21:29] {Nelse23} I almost bought one, but I bought a 128 later on instead [21:30] watson: Still reading that one. Enjoying as I go along slowly [21:30] I prefer direct addressing on video. [21:30] {Nelse23} I got to get going [21:30] OK, niters Nelse23 [21:31] Bye Nelse. [21:31] BCNU Nelse [21:31] {Nelse23} It was nice to hear from everyone [21:31] Left QRoom: Nelse23 [21:32] {Snogpitch} Gee, that left me alone on Q :( [21:32] {Snogpitch} 2 others in a different room, tho [21:32] Doubt that I'll get to Q now. Disconnected the DSL. [21:32] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:32] Hoi MikeC [21:32] Howdy MikeC [21:32] Hi everyone [21:33] Hello Mike. [21:33] It can also be done via a dialup, but that would probably interfere with the bbs [21:33] * Wildstar (~Wildstar@66-190-246-153.dhcp.astr.or.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [21:33] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Wildstar [21:34] Howdy Wildstar [21:34] Wildstar! [21:34] Howdy [21:34] Glad you're here. [21:34] BBS is on the HD that Maurice is working upon. $40+ amonth with no Linux box for the telnet thing. Well it was a waste of the bread [21:34] Hoi Wildstar [21:35] Hello Lord Ronin [21:35] Hi Rick [21:35] Where's Moloch? [21:35] * VanessaD has a couple of tower updates if anyone wishes to look [21:35] . [21:35] What is a waste of money, LordRonin? [21:35] http://starbase.globalpc.net/~vanessa/c128tower/index.html [21:35] I need a fix Moloch. [21:35] just small stuff today [21:35] Power finally turned back on two hours ago... weeeeeeeee [21:35] * walter (~Javauser@72.16.125.177) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:36] ****, this storm was a pussy in Astoria [21:36] The previous one actually knocked power out. [21:36] what rolled through here over the last couple of days caused some damage and a few lives lost too [21:36] I dare somebody to slap me with a frozen trout. [21:36] Oh well, got a big 600 ft. hillside on the south side. [21:36] The DSL I got for the telnet BBS idea Wildstar. [21:37] (collapsed store roofs, US19 was flooded out in places, etc) [21:37] * Hellion_1 (Hellion_1@h69-128-205-152.69-128.unk.tds.net) has joined #c64friends [21:37] {Snogpitch} Hody Hellion-1 [21:37] DSL is pretty good - but that Linux box has to get made. [21:37] Hoi Hellion [21:37] Hello Hellion. [21:37] Hey everyone!!! [21:37] Blew over $120 so far and nothing to show for it:-( [21:38] Any idea as to what is up with that Linux box, Lord Ronin? [21:38] It shouldn [21:38] No trout? [21:38] shouldn't take so long to set it up. [21:38] Hey snog, who was needing a cable at the last meeting. It wasn't Roger was it?? [21:38] cable for what? [21:38] Nope, Jim was working on it and then haven't heard a thing in months. Even the connection to irc through him closed. [21:39] Don't remember. He was wanting the club to spring for parts for a cable. [21:39] * Moloch stabs anatares51 with sp0rk of d00m v6.42 silver edition [21:39] the X1541 cable? [21:39] Well, don't know what is up with Jim Brain. [21:39] I think Ed was wanting an XE cable or something [21:39] Maybe. [21:39] Speaking of a cable. I'm looking for a 50 pin terminated SCSI cable for my zip drive project. [21:39] That was Ed [21:39] I'll take it. Thanx! [21:40] * Schema (~zzz@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:40] I will be bringing some XM1541 cables to the meeting if anyone needs them. 2 or 3. [21:40] Hoi Schema [21:40] is it an external zip drive, LordRonin? [21:40] Hello Schema. [21:40] Howdy Schema [21:40] Hi all. [21:40] Hi Schema [21:40] Snogpitch: no internal one being put in a CMD controller. [21:40] I am pretty sure that if he got the Linux box set up and sent to you, it would be handy but spending money on DSL without that box is spending money on a service that you are not taking advantage of. [21:40] heya snog [21:40] MikeC!!! Any news?? [21:40] jiffydos review is done! [21:40] Rogers on that one Wildstar [21:40] Internal drive should have a terminator jumper [21:41] Dragos - for the VIC? [21:41] Yep...wife and I had a baby girl Monday morning. Named her Alexandra Faith. [21:41] yep [21:41] Yeah that is what we thought, but it doesn't. Borrowed a terminated cable and had no problems. [21:41] Congrats!! [21:41] MAzeltov MikeC [21:41] Thanks! [21:41] I was very pleased with it [21:42] Still waiting for my JDOS for the VIC [21:42] Schema: How your kid doing? [21:42] I probably wouldn't spend money on DSL or Cable Internet until you have the box back or some way to benefit from it, Lord Ronin. [21:42] "Linux box" where I said box [21:43] No idea on the DSL eve coming back to this place at this time. [21:43] MikeC: Andreas is doing great. Pics on my website. [21:43] URL? [21:43] Was under the impresion that it was going to be just a few weks for the code for the direct dial to be finished. That is why we scored up the DSL [21:44] DSL isn't the problem. It is the lack of having that Linux box to benefit from it. [21:44] If you had a lantronix device, it probably could have taken advantage of the dsl [21:45] I'd say, until the Linux box arrives back, it would be a waste of money to spend on DSL or have a lantronix or RR-NET+RetroReplay or one of the other devices. [21:45] True Snogpitch, but the concept was to have the BBS telnet and direct dial. That was what I scored the DSL for, [21:45] Schema: Very cute! [21:45] ;-) [21:45] Jim was doing the direct dial code additive [21:45] Congrats MikeC. [21:46] Thanks! [21:46] Schema: which hospital did you have him? [21:46] North York General [21:46] Yeah, understood LordRonin, until Jim gets it done, - you should disable the DSL service until you have the Linux box back. [21:46] Box of the component parts is all ready to be picked up. [21:46] Schema: we were at Mount Sinai. [21:47] ...since we're close to downtown. [21:47] I like the name you picked out MikeC. [21:48] Hey Schema. [21:48] Guys, any idea as to what Jim Brain is upto. [21:48] Antares51: Funny thing we had a tough time coming up with a middle name. [21:48] gotta split [21:48] ??? [21:48] * LordRonin (~lordronin@vcsweb.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:48] * golan adds his late congratulations to the list [21:48] hi golan. [21:48] * AlanR (Alan@dialup-4.224.96.49.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) Quit (Quit: ?DIVISION BY ZERO) [21:48] ^^haha [21:50] **** calm tonight [21:51] dead across all the networks [21:51] * AlanR (AlanR@dialup-4.224.96.217.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:52] My birthday's next Friday. Buying a lemon meringue pie. [21:52] {Snogpitch} wb AlanR [21:52] Hello [21:52] cool [21:52] HBD antares51. How old? [21:52] 54. [21:52] I think you deserve two pies. [21:53] 2pi? [21:53] * watson groans [21:53] 3.14 pi's [21:53] Nah. I believe JLawless deserves one. [21:53] The farting of dust begins [21:54] been eating dirt again? [21:55] I just had a juicy delicious orange. [21:55] mmmm...citrus [21:56] I just had a fry-up. Full English. So good and potentially lethal. [21:56] BAM! Oh... Sorry, I thought this was the cooking channel. [21:56] haha [21:57] #cookingwith64friends [21:57] Could use a recipe program for my plus/4. [21:57] I'm only $28 ... it sounds better in Roman numerals, though ... XL ! [21:57] I alway cook my plus/4s in a lemon/butter sauce [21:57] You cad! [21:57] plus/4? sledgehammer! [21:58] Heresy! [21:58] Next you'll slam my VIC. [21:58] vic-20? sledgehammer! [21:58] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.254.213.59.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) Quit [21:58] Have to use hammer to make it fit in pan with lemon sauce. [21:59] Next time try the trout. [21:59] dont mind if you do [21:59] * Dragos slaps antares51 around a bit with a large trout [21:59] THANKYOU!!! [21:59] * WizardNJ (~rlejuez@ool-45738279.dyn.optonline.net) Quit [22:00] Please sir, may I have another? [22:00] ? [22:01] * AlanR (AlanR@dialup-4.224.96.217.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [22:01] If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? [22:02] * antares51 contemplates. [22:02] Let the logs show that we *tried* to talk about C64 stuff tonight...we REALLY tried :) [22:02] look mummy, there's an airplane up in the sky [22:02] Curtis knows what I'm talking about. [22:03] Some of the PinkFloyd channel spilled over... [22:03] VanessaD has a nice 128 tower. [22:03] thanks. [22:04] ya, I was looking at it as well... [22:04] * VanessaD tosses Snogpitch a tower..would you mind drying that up? that pink stuff gets slippery after a while [22:04] er, a toweL [22:04] * ABC (~Javauser@4.235.99.209) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [22:05] oooooh...I need a geeky woman...ooooooh....I need a nerdy girl.... [22:05] * jmkurtz (~jerrykurt@cpe-204-210-224-192.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [22:05] Howdy jmkurtz [22:05] Not going there. Not at all. [22:05] Hello all [22:07] watson's s.o. is very geeky, and very nice [22:07] she's also very ex, isn't she? [22:07] * Schema is out of the drama loop [22:07] nope [22:08] * antares51 is out of every loop. [22:08] oh [22:08] guess I got mixed up then [22:08] sorry [22:08] think I got mixed up with bhz.... [22:08] * VanessaD is stupid, and tired. [22:08] http://www.jammingsignal.com/sa/drama.gif [22:09] The fact that you have that graphic on hand is a little weird. [22:09] Vanessa: Tired? Maybe. Stupid? Nope. [22:10] I have an odd collection of images on hand, mostly because of the somethingawful forums [22:11] Entered QRoom: Schema64 [22:11] Split personality time. [22:11] {Schema64} My 64 is right here, might as well use it [22:11] {Snogpitch} Ya, welcome to the club :) [22:12] {Schema64} Actually, it's quoite handy to watch the main chat on the 64 screen, and devote the PC to msgs [22:12] * Garth (icechat5@c220-239-144-6.eburwd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #c64friends [22:12] Hello Garth. [22:12] 12Hello,4 antares5112. [22:12] {Snogpitch} Howdy Garth [22:12] {Schema64} I'm also test driving bbs server 1.3 [22:13] Hi all looks like a busy place tonite :-) [22:13] is 1.3 beta, or was it just released? [22:14] {Schema64} very beta [22:14] * AlanR (AlanR@dialup-4.224.225.17.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:14] WB Alan. [22:15] Ive got to find another nova 9.6 disk to attempt uploads again ccgms leaves a lot to be desired and 9.5 wont work with madworld [22:15] my c64 dept is out of action at the moment [22:16] laptop i use to create disks died [22:16] whats the minimum pc that will run star commander? [22:17] {Schema64} wha? Not cbm4win? [22:17] I use a P100 [22:17] I think it's more a question of maximum OPC [22:17] er, PC [22:17] got a fast? 133mhz 486 here [22:17] Alan: WB [22:17] I hate star commander [22:18] 486s go that fast? [22:18] xp wont run cbmwin [22:18] yes it will [22:18] i am doing it right now [22:18] and ia m using schemas gui [22:18] In fact, cbm4win *only* runs on 2K and XP [22:18] it wont do anyting on my pc [22:18] star commander is a nice program. it does other things than only xfer disk, you know [22:18] pebkac [22:18] that's what 64copy is for ;-) [22:19] 64copy hasn't all the features of sc, and the other way [22:19] i dont have any pcs that are slower than a p3 [22:19] i found star commander good to use as i,ve used laplink in the past its very similar to use [22:19] only old os i boot is geos or workbench [22:20] no old pc os [22:20] still, both are better that that crap of d64editor [22:20] than that [22:20] try this on your dos machine: deltree /y c:\ [22:20] dont blame me if you do that [22:21] I gotta run...catching a movie [22:21] later all! [22:21] * watson (~watson@70.131.55.21) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:21] dragos: cool! a nude pic appeared!!1 [22:21] of who? [22:21] .oO(try better) [22:22] Bill Gates! [22:22] Sorry. Wrong Number! [22:23] theres a particular x cable needed to work with an xp box? [22:23] xm [22:23] just swap pins 5+6 from an xe [22:23] or make an adaptor [22:23] mine is a dos one but cant tell nick coplin built it for me [22:24] {Schema64} I made a short adaptor, so I can switch between xe and xm [22:25] still loking for another drive for my old latop as it was a good little d64 machine [22:25] * antares51 prepares to terminate session. [22:25] i use an xa [22:25] had plans of running 64hdd on it but the thing died b4 I had the chance to try [22:26] * Moloch stabs antares51 on the way out [22:26] ...You always hurt -- the one you love... [22:26] {Schema64} I use cbm4win on my notebook. It's kind of funny,this teeny notebook hooked up to this huge 1541 [22:28] the cable would be why cbm4win doesnt see the 1541/71 [22:28] {Schema64} Most likely. [22:29] now my next silly question how do I locate pins 6+7? [22:29] Good night folks. [22:29] looking at plug end or inside the fitting? [22:29] 5+6 [22:29] {Snogpitch} niters antares51 [22:30] * antares51 (~Antares51@ip68-99-23-185.om.om.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Built) [22:30] Night Antares [22:30] http://sta.c64.org/xem1541a.html should have the info [22:30] * jmkurtz (~jerrykurt@cpe-204-210-224-192.columbus.res.rr.com) Quit [22:31] * Rubbertoe (rbatina@cpe-65-24-184-238.columbus.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [22:31] {Snogpitch} Howdy Rubbertoe [22:32] hola [22:32] * Rubbertoe tips his hat [22:32] anyone heard from the guy at jppbm? [22:33] {Schema64} About two weeks ago [22:33] {Snogpitch} Last time I saw him, was at the LUCKI expo [22:33] {Schema64} He's very slow at responding to email [22:33] heh [22:33] slow is not the word [22:34] yes, took him six months to respond to my three emails [22:34] his email is on his jppbm.com website [22:34] yea, screw that [22:34] i guess i wont buy anything from him [22:34] * destined (~chatzilla@c-24-17-156-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:34] * ChanServ sets mode: +v destined [22:34] best to buy directing at a show :) [22:34]