8:58 PM: *** Snogpitch (snogpitch@dialup-4.225.157.163.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) has joined channel #c64friends
8:59 PM:      AlanR: Snog!
8:59 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy folks
8:59 PM:   PhotoJim: hey Snog
8:59 PM:      RaBiT: Good evening Snogpitch!
8:59 PM:  antares51: Welcome back, Snog!
8:59 PM:  Lime-Mack: It's usually possible to have a sid playing while a basic program runs.
9:00 PM:   TMR{C0S}: Not without an interrupt of some kind.
9:00 PM:   LeonardP: an interrupt?
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9:00 PM:   LeonardP: wouldn't it be easier to do it without interruptions?
9:00 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy Pnacolada
9:00 PM:   PhotoJim: LeonardP: only if you don't have ADHD.  ;)
9:00 PM:  Pnacolada: heya snog
9:01 PM:  antares51: WB Pna.
9:01 PM:  Lime-Mack: I'm not sure it's possible without an interrupt.
9:01 PM:   TMR{C0S}: It is, but only if you don't mind BASIC having to devote all it's time to the music. =-)
9:01 PM:  Lime-Mack: Unless you want to hand convert the sid into pokes, and then it wouldn't be the same.
9:01 PM:   LeonardP: i'm not sure i understand
9:02 PM:  Pnacolada: eya
9:02 PM:  antares51: Leonard: Interrupts are similar to multitasking.
9:02 PM:             Pnacolada quietly sits
9:02 PM:   LeonardP: i thought you meant being interrupted
9:02 PM:   LeonardP: ?
9:02 PM:    CurtisP: there is a machine language routine somewhere that you can load that will play a SID tune in the background
9:03 PM:    CurtisP: you just  do a SYS and teh music plays
9:03 PM:    CurtisP: and it is interrupt driven
9:03 PM:  antares51: The cpu is fast enough to put aside a program and run another then switch back and forth.
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9:03 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy JLawless
9:03 PM:  antares51: Good evening Jim.
9:03 PM:   JLawless: Greetings, Snog ... everyone.
9:04 PM:             TMR{C0S} snogs JLawless before realising he got the wrong end of the stick.
9:04 PM:    JohnnyL: there a way to have a basic program loads parts of another basic program? the only means i see , is if it's disguised as an asm program.
9:04 PM:   TMR{C0S}: So to speak...
9:04 PM:      RaBiT: Does Jim Brain still frequent these chats?
9:04 PM:  Snogpitch: Compute! has examples of multiload basic programs
9:04 PM:  Pnacolada: infrequently
9:04 PM:  antares51: Not lately.
9:04 PM:  Pnacolada: nowadays anyhow
9:04 PM:      RaBiT: darn
9:05 PM:  Pnacolada: probably sick of us :)
9:05 PM:   JLawless: JohnnyL: I had a technique for doing that on a C128 by BLOADing a section and then SYSing a BASC routine to re-link lines.
9:05 PM:   LeonardP: compute! ? i had the entire collection
9:05 PM:   LeonardP: had to burn it all when i moved though
9:05 PM:      RaBiT: Sent him an e-mail but was hoping I could catch him here for a quicker response.
9:05 PM:  Snogpitch: I remember one for the Vic20 that ran a special character loader, then loaded the rest of the program
9:05 PM:             TMR{C0S} mutters obscenities under his breath about BASIC...!
9:05 PM:    CurtisP: the best way to multiload is through the keyboard buffer
9:05 PM:  antares51: Johnny: some BASIC use what is called an overlay.
9:05 PM:  Snogpitch: Ya, that's how it was done
9:06 PM:      AlanR: Snog, Compute! used those type of loaders for lots of VIC stuff.
9:06 PM:      Garth: Pina It has done it again the screen length thing
9:06 PM:   LeonardP: this is in the channel topic on #c64retards - http://gp2brew.com/retards.jpg
9:06 PM:   LeonardP: who is that?
9:06 PM:    CurtisP: doing a straight LOAD from BASIC only works if the program being loaded is shorter than the one doing the loading
9:06 PM:             JLawless assumed that JohnnyL wanted to keep a portion of the existing program and load overlays from others...
9:06 PM:  antares51: No Comment.
9:07 PM:      golan: LeonardP: That's Jeri.
9:07 PM:   LeonardP: Jeri?
9:07 PM:      golan: Yes.
9:07 PM:    CurtisP: mmm, Jeri
9:07 PM:   LeonardP: she's behind this #c64retards thing?
9:07 PM:       Trek: hey Can I keep that pic
9:07 PM:      golan: No.
9:07 PM:      AlanR: No
9:07 PM:   LeonardP: she seems to be promoting it
9:08 PM:      golan: No. That picture is photoshopped.
9:08 PM:   LeonardP: oh
9:08 PM:       Trek: she's baiting us
9:08 PM:             antares51 isn't hungry.
9:08 PM:  Pnacolada: bait and snitch?
9:08 PM:    CurtisP: you eman you can modify a computer picture so its something other than what acutally happened?
9:09 PM:  antares51: Yup.
9:09 PM:     Dragos: heya alanr
9:09 PM:   TMR{C0S}: No Curtis, that picture of you and the giraffe wasn't doctored at all!
9:09 PM:    CurtisP: no way!
9:09 PM:    CurtisP: that explains a lot though
9:09 PM:      AlanR: Heya Dragos
9:09 PM:  Pnacolada: kryten: sarcasm mode engaged, sir
9:09 PM:      golan: See, that's was one of those moments when a <sarcasm></sarcasm> tag set would have been useful.
9:09 PM:   TMR{C0S}: So did the seven pints you had beforehand... =-)
9:10 PM:   iAN_CooG: <CurtisP> the best way to multiload is through the keyboard buffer
9:10 PM:  Snogpitch: http://www.pikiki.com/wp-content/thumb-jeriellsworth.jpg for the original photo
9:10 PM:   iAN_CooG: what if i keep my return key pressed?
9:10 PM:   iAN_CooG: ahah
9:10 PM:    JohnnyL: Jawless, exactly.just inquisitive to see if it is possible.
9:11 PM:             JLawless has no jaw.
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9:11 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy MikeAZ1
9:11 PM:  Pnacolada: Mike :)
9:11 PM:   LeonardP: so who is this jeri?
9:11 PM:    MikeAZ1: Evenin All
9:11 PM:  Snogpitch: Jeri aka C=1
9:11 PM: *** AlanR is now known as AlAway
9:11 PM:   LeonardP: c=1?
9:11 PM:    CurtisP: snogger!
9:11 PM:    JohnnyL: the address would have to be hardcoded. but that doesn't matter because if it's temporary most likely all routines on disk could have the same address.
9:11 PM:   PhotoJim: LeonardP: Jeri designed the C64DTV.
9:12 PM:   LeonardP: oh, i've seen that
9:12 PM:    JohnnyL: lol
9:13 PM:  antares51: Jeri is IT.
9:13 PM:  Pnacolada: Information Technology?
9:13 PM:   JLawless: JohnnyL: The way that I did it was to set a dummy line ( 9999 for example ) and would load routines that all began later than that.  I would dynamically look up the address of line 9999 and adjust accordingly to BLOAD another segment in.
9:13 PM:   TMR{C0S}: IT?  She's a she rather than an it, surely?
9:14 PM:  antares51: You know what I mean.
9:14 PM:    CurtisP: Leaonard: heard of the C64DTV?
9:14 PM:    CurtisP: ok
9:14 PM:   LeonardP: hmmm... #cbm8 seems a bit rude
9:14 PM:  Snogpitch: Don't forget the Hummer as well
9:14 PM:   LeonardP: yeah, i've seen the c64dtv... was going to order one but then i read all of the posts on comp.sys.cbm about the colour problem
9:14 PM:    CurtisP: I'd rather not use Jeri amd Hummer in the same sentence
9:14 PM:   LeonardP: you just did
9:14 PM:    CurtisP: Jeri is the IT
9:14 PM:   LeonardP: so why would she be promoting this #c64retards thing?
9:14 PM:   PhotoJim: LeonardP: she's not.
9:15 PM:   LeonardP: er... so much chatting here i'm having trouble following
9:15 PM:      golan: Leonard: You were told that the photo had been altered. You were given a link to an unaltered photo. What more do you want?
9:15 PM:    JohnnyL: JLawless, i was really curious as to how to do it in c64 mode.
9:15 PM:   LeonardP: a certificate?
9:15 PM:  antares51: Trust us Leonard.
9:15 PM:   JLawless: JohnnyL: I'd probably have to write a custom load routine in ML to pull that off.
9:17 PM:    JohnnyL: JLawless, it's a matter of integrating with basic at a custom level. Using the points of entry into the interpreter.
9:17 PM:    JohnnyL: i am sure it's been done though.
9:17 PM:             TMR{C0S} has his fingers in his ears, going "laa-laa-laa" at all the mention of BASIC!
9:17 PM:   LeonardP: so, is this the meeting currently?
9:17 PM:  antares51: You gotta start somewhere.
9:18 PM:  antares51: Confirmed.
9:18 PM:   LeonardP: i see
9:18 PM:   TMR{C0S}: It must be the meeting, i'm nearly asleep. =-)
9:18 PM:  antares51: We're the happy wanderers. Or something like that.
9:18 PM:    JohnnyL: antares51, you see the multitasking abilities of a computer as superior to that of the human vehicle?
9:19 PM:      golan: LeonardP: I suspect you're expecting a level of formality that is unobtainable with this medium.
9:19 PM:  antares51: Indeed.
9:19 PM:   JLawless: JohnnyL: I have no idea what you're talking about.  "Integrating with BASIC at a custom level" ?  It doesn't require integration with BASIC, one just needs to observe the way BASIC uses the system and not be disruptive when loading overlays.
9:19 PM:    JohnnyL: JLawLess, what's the difference?
9:20 PM:   iAN_CooG: why bothering with basic... you're all wasting time
9:20 PM:   iAN_CooG: time wasters
9:20 PM:  antares51: We are three little lambs...
9:20 PM:   iAN_CooG: waste i say
9:20 PM:      golan: BASIC makes baby Jesus cry.
9:20 PM:   JLawless: JohnyL: "Integrating with BASIC" to me infers a wedge of CHRGET or the tokenization routines or moving the BASIC ROM into RAM and patching it.
9:20 PM:   TMR{C0S}: Well, it's upsetting me golan; learn machine code the lot of you, you know you want to! =-)
9:21 PM:  antares51: Ys n00bs need a little "babysitting" with BASIC at times.
9:22 PM:   LeonardP: people still program using c64 BASIC?
9:22 PM:  antares51: Yes.
9:22 PM:   iAN_CooG: antares, you're the least to talk about programming, get a clue
9:22 PM:   LeonardP: why?
9:22 PM:    JohnnyL: JLawless, well we differ , to me it means analyzing where basic loads it's source (and being mindful of endpoints) and simulating the way the code is stored in an assembler program at the point at which the basic interpreter expects it at. it's rather shoddy, but what can one expect.
9:22 PM:  antares51: iAN: You are correct sir!
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9:23 PM:  antares51: Wildstar!
9:23 PM:    JohnnyL: funny how retro sceners love status.
9:23 PM:   LeonardP: "retro sceners"?
9:23 PM:   TMR{C0S}: Eww...
9:23 PM:   LeonardP: people that like to wear flares?
9:24 PM:  antares51: Status? What status?
9:24 PM:    JohnnyL: hahahaha
9:24 PM:    JohnnyL: lol
9:24 PM:    JohnnyL: good one.
9:24 PM:   TMR{C0S}: i do so hate the word "retro".
9:24 PM:    JohnnyL: anatres51, such as voice, op, being a bot.
9:24 PM:   LeonardP: i'm actually not sure what you're referring to still
9:24 PM:    CurtisP: Basic roxors
9:24 PM:    JohnnyL: you know the usual 9-10.
9:24 PM:  antares51: If I go any lower I'll be in China.
9:24 PM:    CurtisP: i actually code in Basic for a living
9:24 PM:      golan: I hate the word "phlegm".
9:24 PM:   TMR{C0S}: Hang on... am i allowed to swear or should i keep my opinion of BASIC to myself? =-)
9:24 PM:    CurtisP: just not CBM Basic
9:25 PM:  antares51: TMR: Do what ever feels good.
9:25 PM:   iAN_CooG: like it would make any difference :D
9:25 PM: *** ^Oldbit^ (~oldbit@oh-71-48-75-189.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net) has joined channel #c64friends
9:26 PM:  antares51: Hello Oldbit.
9:26 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy ^Oldbit^
9:26 PM:   LeonardP: so, i take it these meetings aren't exactly productive
9:26 PM:      Garth: Leonardp its starting to appear you might not be aware what a c64 is 
9:26 PM:   ^Oldbit^: Hey gents..
9:26 PM:   TMR{C0S}: Okay, BASIC is cock snot of the worst kind, it's the sort of arse gravy that promotes bad programming and everyone should switch to a decent language.  Like hand assembling, it may be more painful but at least it's decent.
9:26 PM:   TMR{C0S}: i feel better now. =-)
9:26 PM:  antares51: You'll be surprised what gets accomplished here.
9:26 PM:   LeonardP: i know what a c64 is of course, "retro scene" i'd never heard the term
9:26 PM:   ^Oldbit^: ooohhh.. I walked in on a good conversation...
9:26 PM:      Garth: they program in basic this isnt a "meeting either its irc!!
9:27 PM:     AlAway: Sorry about your luck, Oldbit
9:27 PM:    CurtisP: I actualy prefer Basic over C
9:27 PM:   LeonardP: this is referred to as a meeting, in robert bernado's c.s.c post
9:27 PM:  Snogpitch: BASIC is just another means to get an end result accomplished
9:27 PM:   ^Oldbit^: whats wrong with BASIC?
9:27 PM:      golan: OldBitty!
9:27 PM:  antares51: Thank you TMR.
9:27 PM:    CurtisP: i'd ratehr code VB.net than C#
9:27 PM:   ^Oldbit^: golan!
9:27 PM:      Garth: So what do you want from this so called " meeting"?
9:27 PM:  Lime-Mack: I hearby call this meeting to order!
9:27 PM:     AlAway: BASIC is fun
9:27 PM:   ^Oldbit^: BASIC is cool.
9:27 PM:      golan: RoebrtB is a highly formal individual.
9:28 PM:      golan: The IRC is less formal.
9:28 PM:   iAN_CooG: c# is not c
9:28 PM:    CurtisP: lets see
9:28 PM:      golan: For instance, I am not wearing any pants.
9:28 PM:  antares51: Moving overlay modules in and out of a BASIC program.
9:28 PM:   LeonardP: i see
9:28 PM:    JohnnyL: ^Oldbit^ it was created by bill gates.
9:28 PM:     AlAway: No it wasn't.
9:28 PM:    CurtisP: a bunh of people have met in one place
9:28 PM:             ^Oldbit^ runs over to a corner and pukes..
9:28 PM:             antares51 lost his mind.
9:28 PM:    JohnnyL: antares51, cnet did it.
9:28 PM:   LeonardP: well, i'm not familiar with this community, but this really does seem to be a waste of time
9:28 PM:    CurtisP: sounds like a meeting to me
9:28 PM:   TMR{C0S}: BASIC is neither fun nor cool, it's functional and should only be used to develop programs, not to actually run them.
9:28 PM:   LeonardP: i should probably be doing other things
9:28 PM:   LeonardP: maybe i'll be back later
9:29 PM:   LeonardP: enjoy your meeting
9:29 PM:      golan: LeonardP: You seem to have a solid grasp on what this community is about.
9:29 PM:   LeonardP: indeed
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9:29 PM:   ^Oldbit^: bah... BASIC is what hooked me into computers.. that background had make me a decent living for 20 years.
9:29 PM:  antares51: We don't waste time. Its just "channel chatter". You'll catch on Leonard.
9:29 PM:      golan: Wow, that Leonard was, let me choose my word carefully, uh, a dick.
9:29 PM:   JLawless: or a troll.
9:29 PM:    JohnnyL: LeonardP, it gets worse, much worse.. on and on about upgrading a c64, only to use that upgrading capacity soley to copy floppy disks.
9:29 PM:     telsar: leonard: how old are you and what brings you here?
9:30 PM:   ^Oldbit^: the troll is gone..
9:30 PM:  Lime-Mack: Poor Leonard. There goes another one.
9:30 PM:   iAN_CooG: buhahah
9:30 PM:   ^Oldbit^: and I was going after my 2x4
9:30 PM:      Garth: he has been through all the channels spouting the word meeting maybe robert should re word the post
9:30 PM:  antares51: Leonard is a noob. He asks questions and gets few answers, or does understand what he's asking.
9:30 PM:             ^Oldbit^ joins the ranks of VIC20 ownership today!
9:31 PM:     AlAway: Congrats, Oldbit!
9:31 PM:  antares51: err doesn't
9:31 PM:   iAN_CooG: antares: leonard is not a noob, he was only making fun of you all
9:31 PM:   ^Oldbit^: roger shipped today... I've never used one..
9:31 PM:   iAN_CooG: whoops
9:31 PM:   iAN_CooG: my bad mouth
9:31 PM:             antares51 has a stock VIC.
9:31 PM:   iAN_CooG: baad
9:31 PM:             Dragos has 4 vics
9:31 PM:     AlAway: I love my VIC.
9:31 PM:      Garth: I was new too and not that long ago if he sat and watched he might gain some understanding
9:31 PM:     AlAway: In a platonic kind of way
9:31 PM:   PhotoJim: antares:  I have a pair, and a few cartridges, and a new multi-cart board.  butI haen't gotten the 32K VIC quite working yet.
9:31 PM:             TMR{C0S} has three VICs, one with a switchable 16K RAM pack.
9:31 PM:   TMR{C0S}: Wrote a game for the VIC recently...
9:31 PM:   ^Oldbit^: Two on the way.. a backup unit..  Any carts I should be looking for?
9:32 PM:     AlAway: RAM expansion...
9:32 PM:   ^Oldbit^: k
9:32 PM:     AlAway: Try to get Leif to make you one of those utility carts
9:32 PM:  antares51: BTW I'm officially employed on 27 December.
9:32 PM:   PhotoJim: 16K expander.  3K SuperExpander.  multi-cart board.  Vic Avenger.
9:32 PM:             ^Oldbit^ starts making notes..
9:32 PM:     AlAway: I'll have to say I don't use the Super Expander much
9:32 PM:  antares51: I'll have money to spend.
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9:33 PM:   TMR{C0S}: Y'know... if i were awake enough, i'd find the screenshot of my damned VIC game to show it here...!
9:33 PM:     telsar: antares:whoohooooooo
9:33 PM:     AlAway: The Programmers' Aid cart is a must have.
9:33 PM:   PhotoJim: AlAway: It's fun to play with.  I need to get instructions though.
9:33 PM:   PhotoJim: AlAway: what does that do?  I know it has an ML monitor.
9:33 PM: *** AlAway is now known as AlanR
9:33 PM:   ^Oldbit^: these program is BASIC right??? <SMIRK>
9:33 PM:      AlanR: No, no ML monitor.
9:33 PM:             ^Oldbit^ ducks
9:33 PM:   PhotoJim: AlanR: I stand corrected.  Thought it did.
9:33 PM:   iAN_CooG: oldbit: yeah, no use for that
9:33 PM:   iAN_CooG: :D
9:33 PM:  antares51: Someone say "duck"?
9:34 PM:      AlanR: The Prog Aid just has a lot of extra commands for BASIC.  AUTO, RENUMBER, Function key defs, stuff like that
9:34 PM:      AlanR: Very handy for BASIC programming
9:34 PM:   PhotoJim: AlanR: I shall have to find one.  RAM in it, too?
9:34 PM:      AlanR: No RAM
9:34 PM:   PhotoJim: no biggie.  I have RAM.
9:34 PM:      AlanR: Lots of BASIC aid types of commands.
9:34 PM:  antares51: Programmer's Aid is no substitute for extra ram.
9:35 PM:   ^Oldbit^: will bid on the one that's on ebay now...
9:35 PM:   PhotoJim: ^Oldbit^: go ahead, I'll bid on one in a few weeks.
9:35 PM:   ^Oldbit^: thx!
9:35 PM:  antares51: Have RAM; Will Program.
9:35 PM:      AlanR: I use a cart expander with 1) Leif's utility cart, 2) Programmers' Aid, and 3) 16K RAM.  Makes for a very usable system
9:36 PM:   ^Oldbit^: saw that thing ... looks cool.
9:36 PM:  antares51: Decent.
9:36 PM:   PhotoJim: AlanR: what is Leif's cart about?
9:36 PM:  Snogpitch: Is Leif selling the carts?
9:36 PM:   PhotoJim: A VIC with 21K is very usable, I agree.
9:36 PM:   ^Oldbit^: Leif brought his cart to Expo..
9:36 PM:      AlanR: It has a built in disk menu program + built in DOS wedge, and a few other utilities
9:36 PM:   PhotoJim: hmm.  interesting.
9:37 PM:             FungusN0S likes fully expanded vic
9:37 PM:      golan: A VIC-20 with an 80 column card is cool.
9:37 PM:  antares51: I threw out my expansion board for a VIC. :-(
9:37 PM:             TMR{C0S} writes software for unexpanded VIC.
9:37 PM:   ^Oldbit^: 80 col vice... better than the 80col software for the 64?
9:37 PM:      AlanR: With it and the Prog Aid cart, I can for example, redefine the F1 key to "@$" and so on.
9:38 PM:  antares51: 80 column VIC is b/w only.
9:38 PM:   ^Oldbit^: ah... readable?
9:38 PM:  antares51: With monitor, yes.
9:38 PM:   ^Oldbit^: nice
9:38 PM:  Snogpitch: is it better than the C64 80column?
9:38 PM:   PhotoJim: golan:  do you have one?  i don't think I've ever physically seen one.
9:38 PM:   ^Oldbit^: thats what I was wondering snog
9:39 PM:      AlanR: Sure an 80 column VIC would have to be more than software?  How could you get 80 column out of only 176 pixels across?
9:39 PM: *** Signoff: AB (Quit: Leaving)
9:39 PM: *** Signoff: TMR{C0S} (Quit: www.cosine.org.uk \\ www.oldschool-gaming.com)
9:39 PM:      AlanR: *Surely
9:39 PM:  antares51: In some ways yes. In others color is preferable.
9:39 PM:   PhotoJim: AlanR:  very few pixels per character ;)
9:39 PM:   JLawless: Snog: I think he's talking about a cartridge that interfaces to the monitor ... not a soft-80...
9:39 PM:  Snogpitch: right, I was wondering about a comparison of the two
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9:40 PM:   LeonardP: btw
9:40 PM:  antares51: Comparing VIC 80 column cartridge with soft 80 64.
9:40 PM:   LeonardP: you're all ****ing retards!
9:40 PM:   LeonardP: oh yes!
9:40 PM:   LeonardP: baaahahahahahahah
9:40 PM:  Snogpitch: wb, LeonardP
9:40 PM:             LeonardP waits for the kickban
9:40 PM:   iAN_CooG: eheheh
9:40 PM:   iAN_CooG: eheheh
9:40 PM:   LeonardP: come on!
9:40 PM:   iAN_CooG: eheheh
9:40 PM:   iAN_CooG: eheheh
9:40 PM:   LeonardP: ****ing retards!
9:40 PM:             ^Oldbit^ starting counting down...
9:40 PM:    JohnnyL: when will the upgrading cease my god!
9:40 PM:   LeonardP: still don't get it?
9:40 PM:    JohnnyL: it's full of stars!
9:40 PM:   LeonardP: i mean
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9:40 PM:   PhotoJim: there are hard 80 carts for the C64 too.
9:40 PM:    SlartiP: hah
9:40 PM:   PhotoJim: Batteries Included made one.
9:41 PM:    SlartiP: ****tards!
9:41 PM:    SlartiP: oh yes!
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9:41 PM:   ^Oldbit^: Bye Slarti...
9:41 PM:   iAN_CooG: no use
9:41 PM:  antares51: Duped. But not for long.
9:41 PM:   ^Oldbit^: yeah
9:41 PM:      golan: I have a BI-80 around here somewhere.
9:41 PM:   iAN_CooG: do you know the word "proxy" and "anonymizer"
9:42 PM:   PhotoJim: golan:  I haven't seen one of those either.  Just know they exist.
9:42 PM:   JLawless: That's two words.
9:42 PM:    JohnnyL: what exactly happens after all this upgrading is... complete?
9:42 PM:   iAN_CooG: yeah me bad typer
9:42 PM:   iAN_CooG: +s
9:43 PM:   PhotoJim: JohnnyL: is it ever complete?
9:43 PM:   iAN_CooG: he can return anytime
9:43 PM:  Snogpitch: ya think?
9:43 PM:   iAN_CooG: i bet you opness
9:43 PM:    CurtisP: ok, I think I might be sick of trillian
9:43 PM:             antares51 likes Trillian.
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9:47 PM:  antares51: Seems we have some folks "simulchatting" on all three rooms.
9:47 PM:  Snogpitch: ya, multi sessions can be a problem when you start cybering in the wrong window
9:48 PM:  Lime-Mack: ya, I hate Snogpitch too.
9:48 PM:  Lime-Mack: Ooops.
9:48 PM:   ^Oldbit^: hehe!
9:48 PM:  antares51: I stick to one at a time. I'm a single-tasking person in a muttitasking world.
9:48 PM:             ^Oldbit^ wanders over to ebay while things are slow..
9:49 PM:   PhotoJim: lol Snogpitch
9:50 PM:  Snogpitch: ya, single tasking can be faster and more efficient too
9:50 PM:  antares51: Not me. Slow as a snail.
9:51 PM:  Snogpitch: I have no problem with snails, slugs on the otherhand are weird looking
9:51 PM:  antares51: BTW Slashdot had an article on Yeahronimo.
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9:52 PM:  Snogpitch: Ya, saw that...
9:52 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy CincyJim
9:52 PM:   ^Oldbit^: today?
9:52 PM:     Dragos: heya cincyjim
9:52 PM:  Snogpitch: seems like I saw a similiar news brief a year ago tho
9:52 PM:  antares51: Hello CJ/
9:52 PM:  Snogpitch: I'm thinking to myself...so what?
9:52 PM:  Snogpitch: how about some new news?
9:52 PM:  Pnacolada: oh whoopee yeahronimo
9:52 PM:   CincyJim: Hey all
9:53 PM:   PhotoJim: hey Jim
9:53 PM:  antares51: Some new Commodore marked products. Yeah. Big deal!
9:54 PM:  Snogpitch: Other than the Hummer and DTV, I haven't seen anything marketable locally
9:54 PM:  antares51: Just using the name. Nothing worth looking at.
9:55 PM:  Snogpitch: the name is enough to make me to a double take
9:55 PM:  Snogpitch: buying it is a whole different story, however
9:55 PM:  antares51: I prefer having someone from the old firm involved. It isn't the same.
9:56 PM:   JLawless: BBL.
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9:56 PM:  antares51: Bye Jim.
9:56 PM:  Snogpitch: It is sort of like the mom and pop store being handed down to the kids, SOMETIMES, it still works
9:57 PM:  antares51: Sure wish it did.
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9:57 PM:  Snogpitch: I know in the case of my job I had over 10 years ago, it didn't happen in a rosy way
9:57 PM:  LordNik0n: hey
9:58 PM:  antares51: Hello Nikon.
9:58 PM:    JohnnyL: PhotoJim-, i mean what is all this upgrading good for except copying disks?
9:58 PM:   PhotoJim: JohnnyL: it's fun. :)
9:58 PM:    JohnnyL: how?
9:58 PM:  antares51: Agrred.
9:59 PM:  LordNik0n: well .. its pretty boring in the european #c-64
9:59 PM:   PhotoJim: LordNik0n: do you use Nikon stuff?  I have a ton of it.
9:59 PM:     Dragos: i think it is a reference to a bad movie
10:00 PM:  Snogpitch: what movie?
10:00 PM:  LordNik0n: PhotoJim, no ... its just my lazy name copied from the movie "hackers" years ago ... personally i prefer casio ;)
10:01 PM:  LordNik0n: Dragos, the movie isnt that bad... sure not really technically ... but in a way cool 
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10:01 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy AlanR
10:01 PM:       Trek: anyone try the new Canon S1IS yet
10:01 PM:      AlanR: Hello
10:01 PM:  antares51: WB Alan.
10:01 PM:   iAN_CooG: lordinkon: #c-64 on ircnet?
10:01 PM:   iAN_CooG: ah i see you now
10:01 PM:     Dragos: its cool if you like arly angelini jolie, thats it
10:01 PM:  LordNik0n: iAN_CooG, yepp ... 
10:01 PM:  LordNik0n: hehe
10:02 PM:     Dragos: early
10:02 PM:     Dragos: not arly
10:02 PM:  LordNik0n: yepp ... not bad :)
10:02 PM:  Snogpitch: ok, was scratching my noggin over arly...
10:02 PM:   PhotoJim: LordNik0n: ahh, I shoot film. :)
10:03 PM:  LordNik0n: i stopped doing analog photos
10:03 PM:  LordNik0n: i got a casio exilim z57 @ my 19th birthday
10:04 PM:   PhotoJim: ahh.  I like my Nikon F100 too much.  I'd need a D2x to compete with its quality and they are $5K.
10:05 PM:  LordNik0n: well .. would be to much for me... 
10:06 PM:   PhotoJim: LordNik0n: I had to work my way up to it. :)
10:06 PM:  LordNik0n: just a poor student ;)
10:06 PM:  LordNik0n: who is only buying computers :D
10:06 PM:  Snogpitch: I've got a low end Nikon FG-20
10:07 PM:  LordNik0n: http://www.sonne-macht-krebs.de/gfx/server/ <- the newest one ;)
10:07 PM:   PhotoJim: Snogpitch:  nothing wrong with those.  put a good lens on it and you'll get great pictures.
10:07 PM:  Snogpitch: Ya, I've taken some great photos with it over the years
10:08 PM:   PhotoJim: Snogpitch:  and you'll get many more no doubt.  one of my best photos was taken with a 1970s Nikkormat FT3 and a $50 lens.
10:08 PM:             antares51 remembers his Pentax Spotmatic 2.
10:08 PM:  Snogpitch: When I finally bought that 300mm zoom, I was in heaven
10:09 PM:  Snogpitch: I used my girlfriends Pentax when I was in college photography class
10:10 PM:   PhotoJim: Snogpitch:  Pentaxes are pretty good.
10:10 PM:  Snogpitch: 25 years ago give or take
10:10 PM:     Dragos: my wife has a pentax zx-10
10:10 PM:     RaYzor: ahhhhh
10:10 PM:  antares51: Should've never sold it. :-(
10:10 PM:     RaYzor: helllo all
10:10 PM:      AlanR: Hiya Rayzor
10:10 PM:  antares51: Hello RaYzor.
10:11 PM:  Snogpitch: Did you just wake up, RaYzor?
10:11 PM:     RaYzor: Nah
10:11 PM:     RaYzor: Was just watching some show on tv
10:11 PM:     RaYzor: thinking of throwing in the movie "Better Off Dead"  its quite funny
10:11 PM:  antares51: More Christmas stuff?
10:11 PM:  Snogpitch: hopefully not a zombie movie...
10:11 PM:      AlanR: Rayzor, that's one of my favorite movies
10:11 PM:  FungusN0S: I want my 2 dollars!
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10:12 PM:      AlanR: I want $2!
10:12 PM:     RaYzor: 2 dollars!!
10:12 PM:     Dragos: send $1 to happy dude
10:12 PM:  FungusN0S: hehe, great m ovie
10:12 PM:  LordNik0n: hehe
10:12 PM:  FungusN0S: no more jello for me ma!
10:12 PM:  LordNik0n: Dragos, simpsons fan? ;)
10:12 PM:  FungusN0S: eddie van halen hamburger, weeeeee
10:12 PM:  antares51: I watched Polar Express on my brother's HDTV.
10:12 PM:     Dragos: yep
10:13 PM:     RaYzor: I liked when Ricky's mom blew up after drinking the friggin paiint thinner
10:13 PM:  FungusN0S: lol
10:13 PM:  LordNik0n: hehe .. what a guess ... me too ;)
10:13 PM:      AlanR: haha, what a great movie.  John Cusak is my favorite actor.
10:13 PM:  FungusN0S: ferris beuller too
10:13 PM:      AlanR: Nerdy, but cool.  I always wanted to be him.
10:13 PM:      AlanR: I got the nerd part down.
10:14 PM:   ^Oldbit^: beuller... beuller...
10:14 PM:  Pnacolada: meh
10:14 PM:     RaYzor: I have about fn had it iwth people switching beer botles in six packs in stores
10:14 PM:     RaYzor: I bought a six of PALE ALE and yet 2 of them were Amber
10:14 PM:     RaYzor: wtf
10:14 PM:  antares51: Ouch!
10:15 PM:  Pnacolada: we must form a subcommittee of the ATF to enforce "no mix and matching 6 packs in stores" now
10:15 PM:  antares51: I'm calling it a night, folks.
10:15 PM:     RaYzor: Yes Pnacolada
10:15 PM:     RaYzor: see ya antares51
10:15 PM:  Pnacolada: persecuters will be drowned
10:15 PM:  antares51: It was fun!
10:15 PM:  Pnacolada: cya ant
10:15 PM:  Snogpitch: what about mixing of wine coolers?
10:16 PM:  Pnacolada: no good
10:16 PM:  Snogpitch: niters antares51
10:16 PM:  Pnacolada: that's a hangin' offense
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10:16 PM:  Pnacolada: ah tell yew whut
10:16 PM:     RaYzor: No mixing period
10:16 PM:  Pnacolada: none
10:16 PM:  Pnacolada: nada
10:16 PM:             Pnacolada glares fiercely about
10:16 PM:  FungusN0S: weeeeee!
10:16 PM:  Snogpitch: I usually get a full pack of each flavor anyway
10:17 PM:  Snogpitch: no telling what the fellow campers like...
10:19 PM:     Dragos: yeah, when yer holed up withthe railgun, a good beer is nice.....
10:20 PM:  Snogpitch: Unfortunately, I didn't get the opportunity to go camping this year
10:21 PM:  Snogpitch: weather conditions make it difficult this summer
10:21 PM:     Dragos: i did a little in unreal tournament
10:22 PM:  Snogpitch: computer gaming camping?
10:22 PM:     Dragos: hehe, yes
10:22 PM:  Snogpitch: not exactly my idea of ruffing it
10:22 PM:     Dragos: hehe
10:23 PM:     Dragos: no internet in the woods
10:23 PM:  Snogpitch: did you have air conditioned tents?
10:23 PM:  Pnacolada: b33r
10:23 PM:             Pnacolada hics
10:23 PM:     Dragos: no
10:24 PM:  Snogpitch: I saw that once in Florida...couldn't believe my eyes
10:24 PM:      AlanR: Just finished an Atari 2600 game of Berzerk.  I wonder why they never ported that over to the Commodore?  Could've been great.
10:25 PM:             FungusN0S is
10:25 PM:   ^Oldbit^: actually, the sheriffs dept in Fort Myers uses air conditioned tents to house prisoners snog..
10:25 PM:   ^Oldbit^: behind high fences of course.. :)
10:26 PM:  FungusN0S: porting berzerk to 64 is a long time project of mine
10:26 PM:  FungusN0S: bbiab
10:26 PM:      AlanR: Come back when Berzerk is finished
10:26 PM:  FungusN0S: hah
10:26 PM:  FungusN0S: :P
10:27 PM:  FungusN0S: weeeeeee
10:28 PM:  CurtsAway: http://gb64.com/game.php?id=131&d=18&h=0
10:29 PM:  Snogpitch: Isn't Wizard of War similiar?
10:29 PM:   PhotoJim: off home... I'll bbl
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10:29 PM:      AlanR: Well... not really, Snog
10:30 PM:      AlanR: Berzerk has robots ;)
10:30 PM:  CurtsAway: that  loos pretty much like berzerk
10:33 PM:  Snogpitch: I've got my 7800, still so I could always play my 2600 stuff still
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10:34 PM:     Dragos: i have 2 7800s, no 2600 :(
10:34 PM: *** LeonardP is now known as Wildstar
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10:34 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy TerryM
10:34 PM:  Pnacolada: sigh
10:34 PM:     TerryM: hello 
10:35 PM:      AlanR: I still get a lot of enjoyment from the Atari 2600.
10:35 PM:  Snogpitch: The 7800 can play most of the 2600 stuff
10:35 PM:     Dragos: i hav eplayed quite a bit of hero!!!
10:35 PM:     Dragos: lately
10:36 PM: *** Signoff: Lime-Mack (Quit: Goodnight)
10:37 PM:      AlanR: Hero is great.
10:37 PM:  Snogpitch: I don't recall ever loading that one up
10:38 PM:      AlanR: Excellent C64 version and Atari 2600 version
10:38 PM:  Snogpitch: is that the same as H.E.R.O.?
10:38 PM:      AlanR: Yes
10:38 PM:     Dragos: snog: yes
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10:38 PM: *** SlartiCHM is now known as Wildstar
10:38 PM:      AlanR: Rick has discovered the /nick command.
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10:39 PM:  Pnacolada: jebus
10:39 PM:   BillyBob: hola
10:39 PM:   iAN_CooG: nah, he's playing on #c64retards and #cbm8
10:39 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy BillyBob
10:40 PM:   BillyBob: have i missed the meeting?
10:40 PM:   iAN_CooG: yes
10:40 PM:   iAN_CooG: nothing happened
10:40 PM:  Snogpitch: nah, we just took a breather to watch Wildstar change his nick
10:40 PM:   Wildstar: I knew the nick changing feature.
10:40 PM:      AlanR: Try Alt-F4, W*.  It's even cooler
10:41 PM:   iAN_CooG: ahah
10:41 PM:   iAN_CooG: chris ryan would do it
10:41 PM:   BillyBob: ctrl-c several times has been known to work
10:41 PM:   Wildstar: Nope, sir. I know that one AlanR
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10:41 PM:   BillyBob: cheechmon, there's a handle after my own mind
10:41 PM:   iAN_CooG: i'm keeping ctrl-c pressed
10:41 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy CheechMon
10:42 PM:  CheechMon: it's simple to remember for me
10:42 PM:  CheechMon: howdy
10:42 PM:     Dragos: ctrl f-4
10:42 PM:     Dragos: windows key + l
10:42 PM:   iAN_CooG: click X to gain g0d status
10:42 PM:   ^Oldbit^: wasn't that ALT-F4 for ops?
10:42 PM:   iAN_CooG: that's even better ob
10:42 PM:     Dragos: why does slarti invite me to his chan? if he wants to ban be, have alih get my mask
10:42 PM:   iAN_CooG: try it!1
10:43 PM:   iAN_CooG: [04:43] <Slarti> yes
10:43 PM:   ^Oldbit^: I was the one who taught Chris how to use that... hehe
10:43 PM:  Snogpitch: so you hold all three keys at once? :)
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10:43 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy JLawless
10:44 PM:   JLawless: Hello again.
10:44 PM:   ^Oldbit^: re
10:45 PM:   BillyBob: is it always this active in here? ;)
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10:46 PM:      AlanR: It's usually even better.
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10:49 PM:  Snogpitch: wow, it's HowieH!
10:49 PM:       Trek: nite
10:49 PM:     HowieH: yes it is i
10:49 PM:     HowieH: how is everyone?
10:49 PM:  Snogpitch: Hadn't seen you in ages...how you been?
10:49 PM:       Trek: l8r folks it's been fun lurking
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10:49 PM:     HowieH: been good Snog
10:50 PM:     HowieH: trying to split my time between NY and FL
10:50 PM:  Snogpitch: that's some distance to commute
10:50 PM:     HowieH: LOL
10:51 PM:     HowieH: saly i am in NY now when i should be in toasty warm FL
10:51 PM:   BillyBob: so snog, how long do you plan to keep banning people here?
10:51 PM:   BillyBob: it's counterproductive you know
10:51 PM:     HowieH: i do not know Snog to ban
10:51 PM:  Snogpitch: how is it counterproductive?
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10:51 PM:   BillyBob: they come back
10:52 PM:   BillyBob: anyway
10:52 PM:   BillyBob: and it makes it worse
10:52 PM:   BillyBob: no form of resolution is there
10:52 PM:   BillyBob: nope
10:52 PM:     HowieH: sort of like the FL mold?
10:52 PM:  Snogpitch: It does give a glorious moment of peace however
10:52 PM:   BillyBob: not really
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10:52 PM:  SlartiBob: you ****nut
10:52 PM:      AlanR: How infantile
10:53 PM:  SlartiBob: yup
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10:53 PM: *** SlartiBob has been kicked off channel #c64friends by Snogpitch (SlartiBob)
10:53 PM:     HowieH: oh for the good ole days of GEnie
10:54 PM:  Snogpitch: heheh
10:54 PM: *** TerryM (~TerryM@ip70-173-36-60.fv.dl.cox.net) has joined channel #c64friends
10:54 PM:   iAN_CooG: "howdy TerryM"
10:54 PM:     TerryM: hi
10:54 PM:   iAN_CooG: hrm
10:55 PM:  Snogpitch: iAN_CooG took the words out of my mouth :>
10:55 PM:     HowieH: Terry Moran from CNN?
10:55 PM:     TerryM: can't get back in q-link (this account already signedom.)
10:56 PM:    ShadowM: yeah, Q seems to be broken at the moment
10:56 PM:  Snogpitch: ya, that's been a bug _brain_ have been looking to squash lately
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10:56 PM:     HowieH: i was on tjhe real Q fof about 3 months
10:57 PM:    ShadowM: it gives a blank screen on entering P.C.
10:57 PM:  Snogpitch: ya, had that problem earlier this week
10:57 PM:     HowieH: ran up bills close to $900 and decided ti quit
10:57 PM:     Dopple: hey all
10:57 PM:  Snogpitch: looks as if my QLink demo tommorrow might not happen
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10:57 PM:     HowieH: hi dopple
10:57 PM:     Dopple: HowieH, u must be talking about qlink
10:57 PM:     Dopple: :)
10:58 PM:     HowieH: yes yes
10:58 PM:     Dopple: heh... in the days of per minute charges 
10:58 PM:     TerryM: how do I disconnect
10:58 PM:  Snogpitch: from here?
10:58 PM:     HowieH: it does seem so primitive by today's standards
10:58 PM:     TerryM: qlink
10:59 PM:  Snogpitch: From Q it's a bug that can not be resolved until the server is rebooted
10:59 PM:     HowieH: but i was in awe back then
10:59 PM:  Snogpitch: or until Jim finds the bug
10:59 PM:     Dopple: eh
10:59 PM:     HowieH: Dopple you Csnadian?
11:00 PM:  Snogpitch: Powering off the C64 is the way to get out from your side...but that won't correct the server side
11:00 PM:     HowieH: Canadian?
11:00 PM:     Dopple: HowieH, almost, i live in upstate ny
11:01 PM:     HowieH: went to school there  -  niuce but lots of snow as I recall
11:01 PM:     Dopple: yep
11:01 PM:     Dopple: I was born and raised in NJ, went to school there, moved up here in 94
11:02 PM:     HowieH: ha!  we are moving in different directions....  i'm heading to FL
11:02 PM:     Dopple: HowieH, good luck in north cuba
11:02 PM:  Snogpitch: I had to sigh tonight when I was watching the Weather Channel, and they said Key Largo's high today was 85  :/
11:03 PM:     HowieH: yea... they do get nice weather in FL.  
11:03 PM:  Snogpitch: ....then tonights low dipping to 75
11:03 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: Snogpitch, must be tough!  We got lucky on the other hand... 1.5 feet of snow yesterday :)
11:03 PM:  Snogpitch: brrrr, get out the t-shirt
11:04 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: hehe
11:04 PM:     TerryM: where is jim
11:04 PM: *** Signoff: Dopple (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
11:04 PM:  Snogpitch: Haven't seen him since November
11:04 PM:      golan: Fuzz: You guys got 1.5 feet of snow? We didn't get nearly that much although it got a little sloppy on Thursday night.
11:04 PM:     HowieH: in NYC snow never hangs around for long. if there is any snow, a truck comes by and pickes it up and takes it away.
11:04 PM:     Dragos: !seen schema
11:04 PM:        c64: Dragos, Schema (~zzz@209.151.141.59) was last seen quitting #c64friends 1 week 2 days 15 minutes ago (08.12. 22:04) stating "Read error: Connection reset by peer" after spending 52 minutes there.
11:05 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: golan: yep!  it was a good dump!  my cousins in montreal got almost 2 feet :)
11:05 PM:      golan: Montreal, well sure. It's like the snow capital of the universe. I was born there actually.
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11:05 PM:  Snogpitch: wb Dopple
11:05 PM:      golan: Schema isn't around much because, and I don't think I'm talking about of school, he welcomed a child into the world last week.
11:06 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: golan, sweet!  and it certainly is a wintery place haha
11:06 PM:     HowieH: anyone he know?
11:06 PM:      golan: Last Saturday as a matter of fact. He now has a beautiful son named Andreas. Baby and mother are doing well.
11:06 PM:  Snogpitch: well, virtual cigars around then...
11:06 PM:      golan: http://home.ica.net/~leifb/index.html
11:07 PM:      golan: Indeed.
11:08 PM:  Snogpitch: needless to say, he'll have his hands full
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11:09 PM:      AlanR: Take care, folks.  I'm off.
11:09 PM:  Snogpitch: niters AlanR
11:09 PM:    James_M: Hello
11:09 PM:     HowieH: bye
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11:09 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy James_M
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11:10 PM:      golan: Cute baby, I'll say that.
11:11 PM:  Snogpitch: most are until they grow up :>
11:11 PM:      golan: Good genetics too. Kid is going to be super smart.
11:11 PM:             golan hopes he didn't just kick off a nature/nurture debate
11:11 PM:     Dragos: golan: thanks for the info
11:11 PM:      golan: NP.
11:11 PM:  Snogpitch: It's always a welcome announcement to have a new member of the family, even if it isn't your own
11:12 PM:     HowieH: Rod and Gaelyne Gasson
11:12 PM:     HowieH: oops
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11:13 PM:     HowieH: Snog, what was Gaelyne's last name before?
11:13 PM:   Wildstar: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
11:13 PM:   Wildstar: RobertB
11:13 PM:  Snogpitch: Hmmm, that's a good trivia question
11:13 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy RobertB
11:13 PM:    RobertB: Hi, Rick B. and Snog.
11:13 PM:     HowieH: you should know...   me too
11:13 PM:      golan: Andreas took his sweet time in making an appearance. Aili must have been *thrilled* to hear that child cry.
11:14 PM:             golan tips his virtual hat to Robert
11:14 PM:   JLawless: Moranec.
11:14 PM:  Snogpitch: ya that sounds right
11:14 PM:    RobertB: Hi, Golan.
11:14 PM:    RobertB: Jim L. is correct.
11:14 PM:   JLawless: I used to read Gaelyne's column in BBS magazine...
11:14 PM:  Snogpitch: same here, JLawless
11:15 PM:     HowieH: we knew Gaelyne from GEnie
11:15 PM:     Dragos: hey there robertb
11:15 PM:    RobertB: Hi, Mark.
11:15 PM:     Dragos: golan, i was hoping to get a look at the source for schemas gui for cbmforwin
11:15 PM:    RobertB: I haven't mailed your Plus4 yet, Mark, but now that I'm on vacation, I have plenty of time.
11:16 PM:    RobertB: Monday will be mailing day.
11:16 PM:     Dragos: np
11:16 PM:     HowieH: just in time for Christmas mail   :)
11:16 PM:  Snogpitch: ya, I was doing the Christmas card list today
11:16 PM:     Dragos: robertb, does your user group have a hardware collection like cccc??
11:16 PM:      golan: Dragos: Did you ask him to send it to you?
11:16 PM:    RobertB: Ah, it's going parcel post.  It may not get their in time for Xmas.
11:16 PM:             Dragos sends out virtual cards to all !!!
11:17 PM:     Dragos: golan, no, i was waiting to run into him
11:17 PM:     HowieH: ;;; waiting for a card :::
11:17 PM:  Snogpitch: virtual cards usually go out on Christmas eve
11:17 PM:    RobertB: We have a hardware collection, but it's not categorized.
11:17 PM:      golan: Ah.
11:17 PM:     Dragos: it doesnt make d71s, seems like a simple thing to add
11:17 PM:    RobertB: Just picked up some more C64 stuff from a gentleman in San Mateo.
11:17 PM:     Dragos: you guys need to make a for sale list :)
11:18 PM:    RobertB: In addition to the 3 repaired A2000's I got back from a TOGA member.
11:18 PM:  Snogpitch: ya, CCCC needs competition :>
11:18 PM:      golan: Dragos: Did you ever get that d71 I made for you?
11:18 PM:    RobertB: You are going down for the count, Snog!  ;-)
11:18 PM:     Dragos: cccc has a nice collection o goodies, some of which i am waiting for ...
11:19 PM:     Dragos: golan: yes, and i was able to use cbm4win commnad line to make a similar one
11:19 PM:     Dragos: waiting for roger to get back to me :)
11:20 PM:    RobertB: 2 of the repaired A2000's have Video Toasters in them, but the software needs to be reinstalled (unfortunately, the back-up disks are corrupt).
11:20 PM:  Snogpitch: what day was that ??
11:20 PM:      golan: Dragos: Cool. As long as that is sorted.
11:21 PM:     Dragos: yeah, i spoke before doing much testing
11:21 PM:     Dragos: figured it out though :)
11:21 PM:    RobertB: Dragos, what was the e-mail of that PET software person again?
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11:21 PM:    RobertB: Hi, JavaUser.
11:21 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy JavaUser
11:21 PM:   JavaUser: hey robert
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11:21 PM:     Dragos: bfaierson@comcast.net
11:21 PM:    RobertB: Oh, it's Scott.  :-)
11:22 PM:    RobertB: Thanks, Mark.
11:22 PM:     Dragos: np
11:22 PM:  village16: LR come in yet?
11:22 PM:  Snogpitch: not yet
11:22 PM:    RobertB: I just got here about 10 minutes ago, Scott.
11:22 PM:             VanessaD peeks in
11:22 PM:     HowieH: Nite all!  Nice seeing everyone.
11:22 PM:  village16: he mentioned it to me when I was at the shop for programming lessions
11:23 PM:    RobertB: Bye, Howie.
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11:23 PM:    RobertB: Hi, Vanessa.
11:23 PM:   VanessaD:  hi robert
11:23 PM:  village16: Is there any programers in here?
11:24 PM:   iAN_CooG: no
11:24 PM:  Snogpitch: gee, all this time I thought iAN_CooG was...
11:24 PM:  village16: I have been wanting to know how data statements work
11:24 PM:   iAN_CooG: see?
11:24 PM:   iAN_CooG: better say "no"
11:24 PM:   iAN_CooG: :P
11:24 PM:   iAN_CooG: time wasters
11:24 PM:   iAN_CooG: code in asm
11:25 PM:      golan: 10 print "Hello"
11:25 PM:  village16: basic
11:25 PM:      golan: I just programmed.
11:25 PM:   iAN_CooG: release it under GPL then
11:25 PM:  village16: I am going through some type in programs and I have been seeing data statements
11:25 PM:   iAN_CooG: better protect your work from stealing!1
11:25 PM:  Snogpitch: data statements are another form of input
11:26 PM:     Dragos: robertb: have any pet equip for sale?
11:26 PM:  village16: how do they work
11:26 PM:      golan: If you come across and LDA talk to Wildstar. He wrote the book on the subject.
11:26 PM:   iAN_CooG: lol
11:27 PM:    RobertB: Mark, I still have to check-out the PET stuff I have.  :-)
11:27 PM:   iAN_CooG: book #2: the sekret of STA
11:27 PM:      golan: You can store information in a data statement and then use a read statement to access it.
11:27 PM:  Snogpitch: for the type ins, those usually enter information into a ml area of memory to be executed
11:28 PM:  Snogpitch: it it is kind of a hybrid of sorts
11:28 PM:  village16: I had noticed in the type in programs that the data statements repeat themselves
11:28 PM:  Snogpitch: basic does the same thing in sub-routines
11:28 PM:  FungusN0S: I wish the ml ones you could type in with a ml monitor :(
11:29 PM:  FungusN0S: the entry programs change the position of the checksum in each line so you cant :(
11:29 PM:             golan shakes his head
11:29 PM:   iAN_CooG: better: i wished they pulished asm sources so everyone learned that instead of data typing useless numbers
11:30 PM:  FungusN0S: yes
11:30 PM:  village16: That could be something I could look into since I picked up some ml books including one written by jim butterfield
11:30 PM:  FungusN0S: they did in the beginning
11:30 PM:   iAN_CooG: in usa maybe
11:30 PM:  FungusN0S: but that quicky prooved to much to comprehend for americans
11:30 PM:   iAN_CooG: never saw an .it mag with sources apart small snippets
11:30 PM:   iAN_CooG: ah i see
11:31 PM:   iAN_CooG: not much difference then
11:31 PM:  FungusN0S: but if you looked at the code of compute games, you'd learn bad programming practices.
11:31 PM:  FungusN0S: hehe
11:31 PM:   iAN_CooG: eheh
11:31 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: for those of you interested in winning a 1581 on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8737209157&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 :)
11:31 PM:   iAN_CooG: whoops
11:31 PM:    RobertB: Too many 1581's here at our club already.
11:31 PM:  village16: I am going through one of the compute books ofkids games
11:31 PM:  CurtsAway: ok all im off to bed
11:31 PM:   JLawless: Transactor used to publish source, but the sources on the disks you could order seemed to have the comments stripped out.
11:31 PM:    RobertB: Bye, Curt.
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11:32 PM:  village16: I've got four 81s and two FD 2000s
11:32 PM:  FungusN0S: transactor was great
11:32 PM:  FungusN0S: but they never published games
11:33 PM:    RobertB: Scott, you are fortunate to have 2 FD's.
11:33 PM:  village16: does anyone have any comment on the compute books of type in programs
11:33 PM:  FungusN0S: I had 2 HD"s only got one now
11:34 PM:  FungusN0S: village16: the basic techniques can be interesting, and a couple of the games arent bad... the vic20 ones are better than the c64 ones.
11:34 PM:  village16: I came across two unused FDs from Hawaii still shrinked wraped and I am selling one of them to LR
11:35 PM:  Snogpitch: was that part of the Hawaii user group collection?
11:35 PM:    RobertB: Scott, they were shrink-wrapped?  Did you get them from Myron Daniels?
11:36 PM:             golan suspects Fuzz is selling his old 1581 and keeping the new one
11:36 PM:  Snogpitch: RobertB and I are thinking along the same line....
11:36 PM:  village16: they came from the CHUGS group and they are selling, they came from Myron
11:36 PM:    RobertB: A new 1581?  How can that be?  :-)
11:36 PM:    RobertB: Myron is a good guy.  I've talked to him on the phone.
11:36 PM:      golan: TPUG had a bunch of new, unopened 1581s.
11:37 PM:    RobertB: Without the mech, right, Golan?
11:37 PM:  village16: two unused FDs, one shrink wraped, the other in pastic wrap
11:37 PM:      golan: No, these were 100% fully functioning 1581s. It's Joe Palumbo who sells kids.
11:37 PM:      golan: Err, sells kits.
11:37 PM:      golan: Selling kids would violate at least one law, probably more.
11:37 PM:    RobertB: Ah.
11:37 PM:  FungusN0S: darn, I was about to order a kid
11:37 PM:      golan: I have a few of those kits if anyone needs/wants a 1581.
11:37 PM:  Snogpitch: Joe sells goats?
11:38 PM:  village16: Myron gave me a bag of mackadamia nuts in the package as well
11:38 PM:    RobertB: A 1581 kid?
11:38 PM:    RobertB: ;-)
11:38 PM:      golan: Fungus: Make your own, it's more fun.
11:38 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: Golan: selling my only 1581 :)
11:38 PM:  FungusN0S: I dont have amiga mech's layig around
11:38 PM:      golan: You can use a regular PC floppy drive.
11:38 PM:      golan: Instant 1581.
11:38 PM:  FungusN0S: nah, I want it to fit :)
11:38 PM:  Snogpitch: If I drop my 1581 any more, I might have to get one of those kits
11:38 PM:  FungusN0S: dd's are hard to find anyways
11:39 PM:    RobertB: Golan, has that been proven?  The regular PC mech in the 1581?
11:39 PM:     Dragos: i cant get a response from jppbm
11:39 PM:      golan: You can get drives that fit.
11:39 PM:  Snogpitch: DDDS can usually be found at computer shows
11:39 PM:     Dragos: rpbertb: no
11:39 PM:     Dragos: DDDS?
11:39 PM:    RobertB: Joe is slow to respond.
11:39 PM:      golan: Okay, forget it. You want a 1581, buy it from Fuzz and after his sells, buy 'em from me. I'll put them together for you.
11:39 PM:  Snogpitch: Double Density Double Sided
11:39 PM:  FungusN0S: hehehe
11:40 PM:     Dragos: i need more 81s
11:40 PM:    RobertB: DSDD
11:40 PM:      golan: They're not doing me any good sat around here.
11:40 PM:     Dragos: only have one
11:40 PM:  village16: I know that Jim Scabery from Portland has a whole box of amiga mechs, Teaq I recall
11:40 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: yeah buy mine :)
11:40 PM:     Dragos: $$??
11:40 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: I need money!  trying to buy a Korg Triton Extreme :)
11:41 PM:    RobertB: When I get up to Portland again, I'll have to visit Jim Scabery.
11:41 PM:    RobertB: Korg?  A musical device?
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11:41 PM:  village16: I picked up a whole bunch of books from him on programing and on cp/m
11:42 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: Robert: $3000 keyboard for playing at concerts/recording music :)
11:42 PM:     Dragos: golan, what mechs have you gotten to work in the kits
11:42 PM:             James_M has a collection of Zilog reference books...
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11:42 PM:    RobertB: I picked up a strange book today.  I've never seen it before.  It's in the car.  I think it's called, "Science Projects for the Commodore".
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11:43 PM:    RobertB: Oooo, Fuzz, are you going to connect the Korg to the Commodore?  :-)
11:43 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: I have to get it first :P
11:43 PM:     Dragos: i got a cool electronics projects for the 128 book from al
11:43 PM:     Dragos: so, how much for the 81?
11:44 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: have a nice little yamaha right now which I'm experimenting with c64 stuff with
11:44 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: Dragos: mine?
11:44 PM:  village16: I got mapping the Commodore 128 and I think I got Mapping the commodore 64
11:44 PM:     Dragos: anyones :)
11:44 PM:    RobertB: Yamaha?  Are you talking about MIDI?
11:45 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: Dragos: mine is $32 or $33 right now on ebay :)
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11:45 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: Robert: yessir
11:45 PM:     Dragos: oh, ebay
11:45 PM:   Fuzz-PSW: ebait :P
11:45 PM:     Dragos: anyone have the passport midi interface?
11:46 PM:    RobertB: Ours are $55 without power supply.  $60 with power supply.  (Not including shipping)
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11:46 PM:             James_M has a SONUS interface which I believe is a Passport clone...
11:47 PM:     Dragos: i bought a passport, but the doofus sold the software seperately
11:47 PM:     Dragos: and i missed it apparently
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11:47 PM:    James_M: Sonus = Passport w/ Tape sync
11:48 PM:     Dragos: well, anyone got the software?
11:48 PM:    James_M: I have a copy of Score Track but it requires a dongle.  However it seem to work to some degree without it...
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11:49 PM:  Snogpitch: Other than the software that came with the midicarts, what other software is availalbe
11:50 PM:  FungusN0S: Dragos: got a copy of my last bands cd, want a copy?
11:50 PM:     Dragos: sure!
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11:50 PM:    James_M: I have a copy of EA's Instant music, and some other MIDI player that came with some sort of cheap interface...
11:50 PM:  Snogpitch: Howdy alih
11:51 PM:     Dragos: i am looking for passport midi8/plus software
11:51 PM:     Dragos: http://cgi.ebay.com/Passport-MIDI-interface-software-for-Commodore-64_W0QQitemZ8731982148QQcategoryZ74945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
11:52 PM:    James_M: I know Instant Music is supposed to work with the Passport interface.
11:52 PM:    RobertB: Well, can't find my MIDI cart right now, but some software I've dug up are the Passport MIDI Voice Librarian and the Sonus SuperSequencer for the Commodore 128.
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11:53 PM:     Dragos: we need a repository of this kind of stuff
11:54 PM:     Dragos: not a suppository
11:54 PM:    James_M: Dragos: are you interested in any of the software I mentioned?
11:54 PM:    RobertB: Al Jackson of the Las Vegas 5C's has such a repository.
11:54 PM:     Dragos: james:yes
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11:55 PM:    RobertB: Al Jackson has helped several people with their MIDI needs.
11:56 PM:  Snogpitch: Is that commercial software or PD/Shareware?
11:57 PM:    RobertB: If you are speaking to me, Snog, that would be commercial software.
11:57 PM:  Snogpitch: ya, just curious...
11:57 PM:  Snogpitch: Didn't know if it was available for download or ftp or something
11:58 PM:    RobertB: Looks more and more like I'll have to visit Las Vegas after the New Year's.
11:58 PM:    RobertB: Nah, Al doesn't have a website.
11:58 PM:  village16: I still like to go back to Vegas sometime
11:59 PM:  Snogpitch: How warm is it in Vegas now?
11:59 PM:    James_M: Dragos: it does not look like I have them in my archive so, I'm going to have pull them from the originals.  May not happen tonight.  Any preference is the archive format? provided that the software is not too 1541 dependent?
11:59 PM:    RobertB: About as cold as California... in the 40's and 50's.
11:59 PM:     Dragos: james: just d64s?
11:59 PM:     Dragos: zipped maybe?
12:00 AM:    RobertB: Scott, I don't think you were around last week, but I have to go to L.V. to get the CommVEx venue.
12:02 AM:  Snogpitch: Since next weekend is Christmas anyone going to be around to chat?
12:02 AM:  village16: sounds good robert, I want to visit some places there during commvexx
12:02 AM:    James_M: Dragos: D64s should not be a problem provided I don't have to nibble copy any of the software...
12:02 AM:  village16: don't know for me yet
12:02 AM:    RobertB: I'll be around.  The Bernardos won't have gift-opening until Sunday.
12:03 AM:  Snogpitch: Christmas Eve service is 4PM so I should have plenty of time to get back
12:03 AM:    RobertB: Well, wish me luck, Scott.  My L.V. contacts have only searched 3 hotels in 4 months.  :-/
12:03 AM:  village16: I suggest LV hilton
12:03 AM:    RobertB: Uh, too expensive, Scott.
12:04 AM:  Snogpitch: ya, SWRAP had a Hilton location one year....
12:04 AM:  village16: you may be right, I kinda want to do the star trek experience there
12:04 AM:   VanessaD: does anyone know what I can use out of my very limited supply of household chemicals, to create a small amount of PCB etchant for a project?
12:04 AM:    RobertB: I didn't know that, Snog.  Did they make money after paying for the room?
12:05 AM:    RobertB: Boing!  A question for Jeri, Vanessa.
12:05 AM:  Snogpitch: No idea...
12:05 AM:   VanessaD: don't suppose she's here? :)
12:05 AM:    RobertB: Nope.
12:05 AM:   VanessaD: damn
12:05 AM:   VanessaD: oops
12:05 AM:   VanessaD: sorry snog :)
12:06 AM:    RobertB: I could call her later.
12:06 AM:    RobertB: (Well, not tonight.)
12:06 AM:   VanessaD: naw
12:06 AM:   VanessaD: I'll keep googling till I find something or I'll just go out and pick up some FeCl.
12:07 AM:    RobertB: Hey, did everyone see that someone is working on putting the Amiga 500 in a FPGA?
12:07 AM:  Snogpitch: with all the custom chips in the Amiga, is it possible?
12:08 AM:  village16: I did not see that, what is a FPGA?
12:08 AM:    RobertB: Well, he's trying.
12:08 AM:    RobertB: Field Programmable Gate Array.  The CommodoreOne has them.
12:09 AM:    RobertB: That A500 in a FPGA is the talk of Amiga.org
12:10 AM:  Snogpitch: Time for me to call it a nite
12:10 AM:  village16: what does it do?
12:10 AM:    RobertB: Bye, Snog.
12:11 AM:  Snogpitch: catch yall next weekend
12:11 AM:     Dragos: later snog
12:11 AM:  village16: bye snog
12:11 AM:  Snogpitch: Merry Christmas :)
12:11 AM:    RobertB: What does what do, Scott?
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