[20:59] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:59] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64's - and Q-Link!' [20:59] * FungusN0S eats pizza [20:59] Snoggy! [20:59] Howdy folks [20:59] Been playing with the bigger end of computing... PDP-10s [20:59] heya snog!! [20:59] Oh my, looking for Talent will be about as hard as finding Ikari [20:59] * Antares51 ate Godfathers Pizza. [20:59] * PALDTV (~Javauser@ppp171-253.lns1.per1.internode.on.net) has joined #c64friends [21:00] hi all [21:00] Hello Pal. [21:00] Hey b00by [21:00] so the QL gateay is down? [21:00] hi [21:00] :D [21:00] lot of people here atm [21:01] qlink bot is only here when someone is in the room [21:01] yup. it's the scheduled chattime [21:01] 37 people. [21:01] 36 [21:01] one is a double-****head [21:01] * Moo64 opens a beer. [21:01] that's as many as a warez channel... [21:01] poor Wildtard [21:01] warez? [21:01] I got those [21:01] :D [21:01] Remember: You can't tell the players without a program. [21:01] * FungusN0S offers up c64 warez [21:01] anyone here using a PAL DTV? [21:01] I am here all the time..... [21:02] Using in what context? [21:02] Nope, using an NTSC DTV2 tho [21:02] weeeeee [21:02] modified [21:02] Not yet, no. [21:02] i used to be here lots. then i fell in love with mainframe emulation... [21:02] Oh well, I listened to Slarti long enough [21:02] not until joystick ports [21:02] heh [21:02] iec an keyboard [21:02] mine work me happy [21:02] * RobertB (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:02] RobertB [21:03] why did dtv2 turn out to be such duds? [21:03] * Moloch drives all over madcrow with his Hummer [21:03] Evenin' Robert. [21:03] weeeee [21:03] lol [21:03] Hi, Fungus and Moloch. [21:03] dtv2? dud? [21:03] even in EU the IEC is broken [21:03] x.x? [21:03] I thought people said it was working fine [21:03] it works perfectly [21:03] IEC broken? [21:03] Hi, Suki. [21:03] IEC is working fine [21:03] madcrow is misinformed [21:03] hmm. must just be the hummer then [21:03] yep [21:03] Hi, Antares. [21:03] no, IEC works for Hummer also [21:03] The hummer's fine too. [21:04] madcrow has got it wrong [21:04] madcrow, did you wire it right? [21:04] no, that was just reports i've seen [21:04] * JavaUser (~Javauser@adsl-68-73-13-20.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) has joined #c64friends [21:04] I thought there were issues getting iec on the Hummer to work? [21:04] Wildstar: remember the talk? [21:04] I say fluke [21:04] hush [21:04] Hi, Javauser. [21:04] oh no, wildfire is here [21:04] * JavaUser is now known as ChrisRyan [21:04] lol [21:04] HI RobertB [21:04] Oh yes. [21:04] hi robert [21:04] IEC on Hummer works... recent discovery fixed it [21:04] hey Robert :) [21:04] Hello robert [21:04] Hello CR. [21:04] o.o; [21:04] HI Anta [21:04] hello sailor [21:04] hi CR [21:05] HI Vanessa [21:05] so I went out and bought four Hummer games today [21:05] Nothing happens. [21:05] ANTA BAKA??? [21:05] weeeeee [21:05] I guess I'll need to read up on what it takes, then [21:05] * TMR{C0S} looks up from MSI demos and waves to Robert and Vanessa. [21:05] hi Jason :) [21:05] Hi, PAL, Vanessa, Jeremy. [21:05] So what's new tonight? [21:05] when i searched for the hummer game on the RS website, i couldn't find it [21:05] Hi, Jason. [21:05] madcrow - plenty at local stores [21:05] you know, the definition of a true friend is one who goes downtown, gets 2 hummers, comes back and gives you one! [21:05] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [21:05] Entered QRoom: Snogpitch [21:05] Jason, Robert: new tower page updates :) ---> http://www.chrome64.org/vanessadannenberg/c 128tower/index.html [21:05] radio shack? [21:05] (shameless plug ;) [21:06] O.K., time to look! (later) :-) [21:06] kewl [21:06] I checked two Radio Shack stores... both had at least 6-8 Hummer units on the shelf [21:06] * TMR{C0S} goes to look. [21:06] Box look nice so far. [21:06] Will have to hack my DTV v1 (1 of 2) and put it in my tower. [21:06] Molly: how much? [21:06] hmm. funny that it vanished from the site [21:06] When I bought my Hummer, there were only 4 on the shelf [21:06] $30 [21:06] **** [21:06] expensive [21:06] !seen Dunric [21:06] iAN_CooG, Dunric? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember Dunric. [21:06] whoops [21:06] a tower for a dtv, how about fitting it inside a 1541 drive? [21:06] !seen caricon [21:06] Dragos, Caricon (Caricon@host-12-37-119-254.paulding.oh.speednet.net) was last seen parting #c64friends 6 days 1 hour 9 minutes ago (13.11. 19:10), after spending 1 hour 5 minutes there. [21:07] no dunrics. [21:07] Yes, that has been done, PAL. [21:07] bummer, i nee to get in touch with caricon [21:07] !seen spanx [21:07] iAN_CooG, spanx? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember spanx. [21:07] pics anywhere? [21:07] * TMR{C0S} still likes the idea of shoving a DTV2 into a Web.It case... [21:07] dtvhacking.info [21:07] lol [21:07] TMR - Yeah, I like that one also [21:07] it's nice to know now that the C= VGA adaptor website finally got an update on the project [21:07] ok i'll check that out [21:07] The Web.it was from what I heard "teh l43m" [21:07] that's what you call chutzpah, Jason :) [21:07] Joyful Joyful.... [21:07] On the Netherlands Commodore Club website. Now what was it? [21:08] chutzpah? [21:08] More like revenge... muahaha. =-) [21:08] bahahaha [21:08] [Ahem] [21:08] * FungusN0S spotted crossbow there [21:08] yeah, an update a month ago...... [21:08] and it wasn't even a real C64 [21:08] Yes, Chris, nice update. [21:08] Even my name is listed!! [21:08] usotsuki: it was a piece of junk yeah, a low spec PC with a Flash RAM if memory serves. [21:08] 486-class, wasn't it? [21:08] * Dragos needs VGA now!!!! ;) [21:08] Yeah, DX2 i think. [21:08] yes [21:08] completely unrelated, but... [21:08] ;) [21:08] just a windrone [21:08] Hell, my router is higher spec than that. [21:08] (486/133) [21:09] \Any NEW news on Maurice's CMDRkey services? [21:09] lol [21:09] does ne1 know if the adventure game HAUNT ever got a 64 port? [21:09] Web.it used a clone CPU [21:09] Just gut the motherboard out. [21:09] no service [21:09] AMD [21:09] No, Chris. [21:09] Only one good thing came out of the Web.It; CCS64 1.09 had to be optimised to make it fast enough and those upgrades were passed on to CCS 2 upwards. [21:09] I would take a freakin prototype vga adapter at this point [21:09] can a 486 go that much fast? i knew dx4/100 [21:09] AMD made 133 MHz 486s [21:09] 133 for amd [21:09] aah [21:09] 66x2 [21:09] Ah, something good comes out of something bad, Jason. ;-) [21:09] it was called 5x86 but was really just a clock-quadded 486 [21:10] A couple weeks ago I finally won on ebaY the first issue of COMPUTE! magazine. [21:10] i see [21:10] *.* [21:10] $55 for it [21:10] * TMR{C0S} remembers the quite drastic speed jump when CCS 2 beta gained those optimisations; it was pretty noticeable. [21:10] I have that somewhere, Chris. [21:10] 33x4 yeah because the PCI bus then was 33mhz [21:10] All I need left are issues #3 to #6, which covers March to October 1980 [21:10] there was one issue of Compute with a type-in any base 2 to 36 converter for the C= [21:11] VICE could deal with some optimizations... [21:11] is there a fix for the PAL dtv colours wise? [21:11] then you can scan them all and put them online [21:11] * TMR{C0S} plans to do DTV demos as soon as he can get the hardware... been coding a small C128 demo over the last week. [21:11] Jason, when does your VIC game come out for sale? [21:11] and I cajoled it onto an IBM [21:11] Don't know Robert, depends on Simon at Cronosoft. i think he's already selling, just hasn't updated the website... [21:11] Yes, Crossbow posted two color fixes for DTV2 [21:11] usotsuki: a binary to base 36 coverter? [21:11] Any base between 2 and 36 [21:11] I wouldn't know what issue that's on, USO [21:11] including octal, decimal, hex [21:11] what are they? [21:11] what use is that? a PDP-10 programming aid? [21:11] O.K., thanks, Jason. I want to buy! :-) [21:12] It was just a hack [21:12] a division unit? [21:12] url? [21:12] thankfully GW-BASIC had hex/decimal conversion built in [21:12] web.it -> CPU AMD ELAN SC405 66-100MHz [21:13] Ah, that rings a rather loud bell... [21:13] http://jledger.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=dtvhacking [21:13] Yep, crap. Just keep the keyboard if possible. [21:13] Base Converter? from November 1980 [21:13] PAL color fixes are there ^ [21:13] as does EHBASIC that the PathoLogic systems (except PLL4040 and PLL109) use [21:13] O.O; [21:13] ty [21:13] Web.it.... good enough for 64HDD. :-) [21:13] thank you [21:13] November 1980? the one I saw was from sometime late in 1992 [21:13] I do have a long list of magazine programs databased [21:13] Didn't someone gut a Web.It and shove a mini ITX in there...? [21:13] lol [21:13] using MS Works Database [21:13] Memory 16Mb RAM (upgradable to 32 Mb) [21:13] 16Mb ROM [21:13] 2 MB Flash memory [21:13] I think you're right, Jason. [21:13] Yeek. I got 32 MB RAM on my router [21:14] http://amiga.emugaming.com/c64web.html [21:14] * JLawless (JLawless@dialup-4.228.174.191.dial1.denver1.level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:14] Howdy JLawless [21:14] Hi, Jim L. [21:14] * Wildstar reads some ATX PSU specs and reads DTV power specs [21:14] USO, maybe you're thinking Compute's Gazette, not Compute! Compute! itself ended in 1990 [21:14] O.O [21:14] Hello Snog, Robert, everyone... [21:14] I know the magazine became Compute! again in October 1990 [21:14] * PALDTV (~Javauser@ppp171-253.lns1.per1.internode.on.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:15] it was called Compute! and I know it was 1992 [21:15] but it had several sections for IBM, Amiga and Commodore [21:15] (and after September) [21:15] yeah, it was in the C= section [21:15] * golan (~golan@CPE00306526eb4a-CM00e06f15c828.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:15] ^^ [21:15] Evening all. [21:15] Compute! was published from 1979 through September 1994. It covered every major platform until it became a PC-only publication in May 1988. Full article text is currently available for the 44 issues that led up to the end of the magzaine's run. [21:15] Hi, Golan. [21:15] Howdy golan [21:15] yo golan [21:16] hen ne... >.> [21:16] http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/ [21:16] I almost have all of the COMPUTE! magazines, INCLUDING the PC-only kind. I just need one more issue. [21:16] A man with a mission! [21:16] then slit wrists? [21:16] I would love to get my old Commodore World magazines back, think jbevren still has 'em [21:17] noone on qlink tonight wow [21:17] I ghave mine to kilrpilr [21:17] I own all of Commodore World [21:17] hmm [21:17] Just demand them, Vanessa. :-) [21:17] {Snogpitch} Ya, just 3 here on Qlink [21:17] my disk magazine publication may be gone but not my personal collection [21:17] Hey, is Six here? [21:18] C64 is #1 on Amazon.de! http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/701008/028-9108018-895575 5 [21:18] Those germans really did love their commodores [21:18] I also remember a Compute! disk for the Apple ][ with a word processor that ran on DOS 3.3 [21:18] but I digress. xD [21:18] O.K., everyone start chanting, "We're number one... we're number one!" :-) [21:18] I would like to reread all the Compute! and Compute!'s Gazette but I don't think I want to own all that paper. [21:19] Ok, I'll ask a general question. Has ANYONE hooked up a DTV to an ATX PSU without a PC hooked up to it? [21:19] Robert, I've been asking for my stuff from him for over a year :) [21:19] I'm thinking about ordering a whack of magazines from CCCC. [21:19] Yow, time to visit the guy and get your stuff. [21:19] I need the COMPUTE! magazine (without Gazette section): May 1989 [21:19] be pretty hard to topple the champ (i.e., C64) [21:19] how much is in a whack? [21:19] w00t. the C64 is actually poutselkling the XBOX 360 [21:19] O.O; [21:19] *outselling [21:19] lol [21:19] Snog: roughly half a metric ****load. [21:19] :) [21:20] Also in search of: COMPUTE! = #3 to #6 (March-October 1980) [21:20] DTV outdoing the 360? [21:20] @.@ [21:20] people love old game platforms [21:20] 4 magazines [21:20] wonder how long it will be until xbox 360 is hacked..... [21:20] heh [21:20] Snog: 34 (should I send you the list of the ones I wnat?) [21:20] in germany at least... [21:20] outselling on Amazon.com? [21:20] amazon.de [21:20] .de [21:20] not surprising [21:20] You can email Roger, but he is out of town until after Thanksgiving [21:20] ok. Is it because DTV is cheaper [21:20] 23 euro [21:20] Snog: NP, and thanks. [21:21] I own a rare copy of Ahoy! February 1989 on disk but no magazine. Ahoy!'s final print magazine was January 1989 [21:21] and all germans are freaks who still go to c64 demo-parties [21:21] NO lie! I don't have a D64 of it. Sorry! [21:21] x,x [21:21] Hmm, never heard of that one, Chris. [21:21] I've got to sort through the magazines in the TPUG locker. I'm worried that they may be moldy. [21:21] is there an amazon.se? [21:21] I could mail it to you, RobertB. [21:21] x.x [21:21] even Gameboys outsell their SNES console counterparts [21:22] You are too generous, Chris. [21:22] Anyone interested in obtaining this rare issue, private-message me your home address and I will get it out to you. [21:22] too insane [21:22] I came across another copy of the first Amiga World today. It's amazing how much stuff I have that I don't know about. [21:22] kewl [21:22] Sounds like me, Golan. [21:23] * golan read his first issue of Loadstar today [21:23] I have a box of about 400 5.25-inch floppies to use for blanks if anyone's interested. [21:23] for $40 shipped. [21:23] speaking of mags? is the current magazine Linux Format published by the same ppl who publiushed the * Format magazines back in the day? [21:23] Need to make a little profit. [21:23] ChrisRyan: cool [21:23] if I had $40 I'd pounce on that [21:24] can never have too many 5.25" disks with two retroplatforms [21:24] sell 'em in boxes of 10 for $20 each... [21:24] Somewhere down the line I will be selling quite a few Compute! programming books on ebaY [21:24] same hre [21:24] here [21:24] Eek, evilBay [21:24] ppl will prolly actually buy [21:24] and many other programming books for Commodore users [21:24] anyone have original phantasie 1,2 or 3 [21:24] nope [21:24] chrisryan: how soon and what books :) [21:25] box of 10 for $20 won't sell on eBay [21:25] * Slarti (~idigital@202-124-42-150.adsl.gil.com.au) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:25] Not here, Dragos. [21:25] cheaper can be found on eBay [21:25] I'm just narrowing down my collection to books I want to keep. [21:25] * schism (~notevenre@cpe-065-188-048-210.sc.res.rr.com) Quit [21:25] I' [21:25] box of 10 was $5 when they last sold [21:25] I'm going through my old mags and scanning ads [21:25] I would very much like to see all the Compute! and Compute!'s Gazette issues available online. I know atarimagazines.com is heading that way but I hate waiting. [21:25] I rememeber when a box of 10 was $30 [21:25] Compute! Books like, Compute!'s 1st, 2nd & 3rd book [21:26] Compute!'s VIC-20, book 1, 2 and 3 [21:26] yep and packs of 2-3 were sold also [21:26] I need to get my hands on Mapping the 128 [21:26] i always enjoyed compute!s books [21:26] (and Mapping the 64 for that matter) [21:26] I may have that book, Vanessa [21:26] vanessa: me too! [21:26] I have mapping 128 [21:26] Chris, I think one of those ( Compute!'s first book ) has Bill Yee's micromon in it. Please e-mail me and let me know what you want for it. [21:26] need to get rid of it [21:26] gimme :) [21:26] bid :) [21:26] vanessa: project64 [21:26] Yep! I remember that program name, JLawless [21:26] can't, no money :D [21:27] moloch: how much? [21:27] not sure [21:27] also google for c64 ml tutorial [21:27] putting on ebay [21:27] * TMR{C0S} only really uses the PRG... learnt the 264 hardware and C128 VDC from online docs. [21:27] with all the other goodies [21:27] when? [21:27] I think I would start the pricing on the books at $2.99 [21:27] I was thinking this week [21:27] the PRG is good but it leaves things out [21:27] depending on the book size [21:27] you should just box it all up, and send it to me:) [21:28] sounds crowded at your place [21:28] Well, the only other book i've ever used is Programming the VIC 20 by Rae West. [21:28] Don't know that one TMR [21:28] If you had to choose one book and one book alone, what would you take? Inner Space Anthology? Programmer's Reference Guide? [21:28] I'd likea copy of the PRG. Trade Mapping the 128 for it :) [21:28] Rae West was to the European Commodore market what Jim Butterfield was to the American. [21:28] When a British contact asked me about how much it would cost to send the book, "On the Edge", to the U.K., I told him the price. He stopped asking after that. [21:29] Programming the Commodore 64 was the book that *everybody* tended to use... except me, i just made do with the PRG. [21:29] He didn't like the cost of shipping? [21:29] If you want, JLawless and anyone else interested, my ebaY screen name is "chris_zxq" [21:29] yep, used that book all the time [21:30] I guess not, Snog. :-) [21:30] Golan: If I could only have one book, it would likely be "Mapping the 64" ... [21:30] Not sure when I will begin to put the books up for sale [21:30] There's a scan of it being done (or already done, i didn't keep up) going live soon. [21:30] geesh, he should hear how much it cost to send a drive to Australia... [21:30] but you could add me as a favorite seller [21:30] In answer to golan's question, the PRG. [21:30] lol, Snog. [21:30] I think Whiteflame was scanning the Rae West book [21:31] of course Garth was kind of desparate I think? [21:31] hm, ok mapping the 64 is on project64, don't see mapping the 128 though :( [21:31] Trooper's doing a version and is nearly done. [21:31] If not done... [21:31] Yeah, Mapping the 64 was a good book. [21:31] ah [21:31] brb [21:31] Ah, Garth from Oz. [21:32] I have the idea way back in my mind but since I own every issue of Compute's Gazette, Ahoy!, Power/Play, Microcomputers, C= Magazine, I would like to scan them all and have it up on a website [21:32] It would be extremely time consuming. [21:32] is mapping the 64 worth having in original format or is the TXT version OK? [21:32] I like the text version because I can search it quickly ... but I like having the hardcopy too. [21:32] project64 has a PDF of it... hope it's complete :) [21:33] Madcrow, the text is good, but I miss the orriginal. [21:33] I own all of others such as RUN, Commodore World and GO64!/Commodore World, but people own the rights to them still as of today. [21:33] I have 2 mapping the 64 [21:33] :) [21:33] It's nice to have actual books but being able to search through etexts when programming is really helpful. [21:34] If I had access to an original, I could lay out the text in a modern searchable PDP that looked something like the original, but is smaller than a bunch of scans [21:34] I own all of Family Computing (and Family & Home-Office Computing) magazine [21:34] If it comes right down to it you can always print a copy, or parts. [21:34] I have a handful of K-Power magazines [21:35] K-Power merged into Family Computing in early 1985 [21:35] and became their own programming section following FC's type-in section [21:35] Oh, I almost forgot. I have a mini-brag to make. (my first!) [21:35] Yes, Golan? [21:35] minibrag? [21:36] * TMR{C0S} remembers that he meant to mention getting a C64 to load off audio CD t'other day but is too engrossed in the demo he's watching to mention it... [21:36] I got a *new* 64c motherboard (rev. e) still in the plastic bag with Commodore tape on it. How is that for freaky? [21:36] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:36] Evening Mike. [21:36] hi mike c [21:36] Did anyone in here buy all of that Commodore stuff from that guy on comp.sys.cbm? [21:36] Jason, how did you do it?! [21:36] Hi guys [21:36] Hello Jim Lawless. [21:36] Hi, Mike C. [21:37] golan, I have a pad of Commodore repair tags :) [21:37]