[21:00] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:00] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64's - and Q-Link!' [21:00] Howdy folks [21:00] hello snogpitch [21:00] * JLawless (JLawless@dialup-4.228.198.5.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:00] Snogpitch [21:01] snogpitch=robert? [21:01] <^Oldbit^> snogpitch=snogpitch [21:01] no, snogpitch is dave witmer? [21:02] hmmm, instead of where's waldo, it's who's snogpitch? [21:02] * AlanR (Alan@user-33qt80s.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit [21:02] hey, sp [21:02] :) [21:02] <^Oldbit^> will the real snogpitch please stand up... [21:02] omg hi oki thnx bye! [21:03] {GornGoblin} hi Oldbit [21:03] {GornGoblin} Hi Snogpitch [21:03] <^Oldbit^> Hi [21:03] nothing wrong here [21:03] is there any other than the real one? [21:03] perfectly normal [21:03] {JeffL} Hi [21:03] sup snog [21:03] {GornGoblin} Hi JeffL [21:03] helolo jeffledger [21:03] <^Oldbit^> hehe [21:03] lol [21:04] bak [21:04] welcome back moloch [21:04] {GornGoblin} anyone know where one can get Novaterm 9.6 in .d64 format? [21:04] {GornGoblin} I got 9.5 but 9.6 is elusive [21:05] i have novaterm 9.6 somewhere on disk, but been using nt 9.5, its s shame nt10 is buggy... [21:05] {GornGoblin} yep [21:05] I think I have seen 9.6 online [21:05] {GornGoblin} I want to get a good terminal for my c128 in 128 mode [21:05] {GornGoblin} maybe 80 column mode [21:05] i think nick rossi gave up on nt10 [21:05] also nt 10 is full of bugs [21:06] {GornGoblin} too bad [21:06] i think desterm is good qlink.. saw a friend use it once about 10 years ago.. nice 80 columns [21:06] nick passed NT10 off to someone else [21:06] {GornGoblin} 80 columns in 128 mode? [21:06] can't remember who now [21:06] Hey all [21:06] damn, noone needs a PET? only 6 minutes left [21:06] * JLawless (JLawless@dialup-4.228.198.5.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [21:06] http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/c64/comm/Novaterm/v9.6/ [21:07] Nick passed NT off to Erol (Strobe) [21:07] yeah check out http://www.ros.com.au./~errol/64.html for nt10 info [21:07] {GornGoblin} I think those are .sfx files [21:07] He hasn't updated in ages [21:07] Yes, .sfx files [21:07] {GornGoblin} Moloch [21:07] {GornGoblin} I dont remember how to process them [21:07] load "filename",8 [21:07] run [21:07] process what? [21:07] {GornGoblin} oh [21:07] SFX means Self Extract, of course [21:07] {GornGoblin} I did load "filename",8,1 [21:07] make sure to load ,8 only [21:07] {GornGoblin} whoops [21:07] * Ab (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.159.142.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:08] {GornGoblin} hehe [21:08] because SFX screws the load address to $1c01 (128) [21:08] * Moo64 (~kindness@S010600062586a850.wp.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: Hockey) [21:08] where can i get 2400 hack for qlink anyone? [21:08] ya, need to do it in 64 mode most of the time [21:08] * JavaUser (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.159.142.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:08] Howdy JavaUser [21:09] * CincyJim (~Sock@oh-delhi-terrayon-zone6b-150.clvdoh.adelphia.net) Quit [21:09] orlando...I should know who that is [21:09] * JavaUser is now known as Ab [21:09] {GornGoblin} is Novaterm 9.6 much better than 9.5? [21:09] Frankly I liked 9.5 [21:09] {GornGoblin} it works well so far [21:09] but if you have a SCPU and a 128 9.6 is better [21:09] {GornGoblin} and you can get 80 columns in c64 mode [21:09] {GornGoblin} no scpu here [21:10] o.o` [21:10] Honest6ead have it on there site [21:10] {GornGoblin} can you run 9.6 without a scpu? [21:10] yes you can run it without [21:10] {GornGoblin} how about a c128 in 80 column mode? [21:10] i think you can run nt10 without scpu? [21:10] Homestead have it [21:10] * MikeC_ (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:10] ab? homestead? [21:11] Howdy MikeC [21:11] {GornGoblin} what is shomestead? [21:11] ya, videocam [21:11] {GornGoblin} Hi Mike [21:11] * MikeC_ (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Client Quit) [21:11] {GornGoblin} was MikeC using qlink? [21:11] Homestead is a mail list hosted by Videocam [21:11] {GornGoblin} i see him here [21:11] homestead web site [21:12] aha, i know homestead is also a free server space service too [21:13] but different from videocam [21:13] http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/c64/comm/Novaterm/v9.6/ [21:13] I posted that link five minutes ago :) [21:13] actually, seven [21:13] http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/c64/ take your pick lol [21:13] hehe [21:13] * AlanR (AlanR@user-33qt84p.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:13] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:14] hey, Alan [21:14] * RobertB (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:14] Robert! [21:14] Howdy RobertB [21:14] Howdy [21:14] <^Oldbit^> Hey Robert [21:14] Hi, Vanessa and snog and Jeff. [21:14] hi robert [21:14] Hi RobertB [21:14] RB [21:15] Hello Robert B. [21:15] Hi, NLCW, Caricon, and Moloch, and Ab. [21:15] hows your day been Robert? [21:15] * Lime-Mack (~Javauser@216.13.88.86) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:16] Sleeping mostly. I've been coming out of a cold. [21:16] x.x [21:16] Hi, Uso. [21:16] ^^ [21:16] I took a nap this afternoon also, recovering from my trip to Detroit [21:17] I took a nap this afternoon, cause I'm lazy [21:17] Everybody's recovering! :-) [21:17] :-) [21:17] * usotsuki is tired [21:17] well, probably laziness also helps in naptime [21:17] * usotsuki is away: =.= (time now: 9:19p) [21:17] * usotsuki is now known as usoyasumi [21:18] irq close [21:18] * ea81 (ea31@dinar.dreamhost.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:18] Too lazy to unpack the C= and Ami gear in my car. [21:18] Sorry robrt.. I have to go see family [21:18] Maybe I'll see you later [21:18] ya, I have been lugging a monitor in the trunk for a few weeks now [21:18] Bye, Jeremy. [21:19] <^Oldbit^> Gas prices are going back up.. Time to unpack guys [21:19] came in handy during the trip this week tho...helped to set up my demo for next week's CCCC meeting [21:19] They are. I thought they were still falling. [21:19] ? [21:19] <^Oldbit^> went back up .15 here this week [21:19] paid $2.03 last nite for gas a gallon [21:19] {GornGoblin} where you at Oldbit? [21:20] {GornGoblin} I paid 2.08 [21:20] <^Oldbit^> 2.19 here in Orrville, OH [21:20] Here in southern Ohio it's still around $2.40 [21:20] Wow, we'd kill for those prices here in California! [21:20] between $1.00 and $1.30 per litre in aus! [21:20] {GornGoblin} I know a place thats cheaper - 2.19 is average here [21:20] $2.05 at Wal-Mart, and $2.02 if you use the card. [21:20] I stopped in Lima Ohio on my way home last nite [21:20] I'm only 30 miles from Lima [21:21] per gallon for you guys!! lucky... [21:21] took 75 out of Detroit to Cincy [21:22] Went over to Indiana today, it's $2.21 only 9 miles away from me [21:22] It was $2.12 in Detroit [21:22] But when we factor in the exchange rate, NLCW, your prices come out the same for us. :-) [21:22] hmmmm [21:22] * Galaxus (~shraderc@pcp04064539pcs.westk01.tn.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:22] Howdy Galaxus [21:23] Hi, Galaxus, [21:23] Howdy [21:23] hehe [21:23] $2.05 most places around me [21:23] Im also on as Gorngoblin via Qlink [21:23] a litre? [21:23] wow [21:23] just wanted to see myself talk [21:23] {GornGoblin} Test [21:23] lol [21:23] <^Oldbit^> my kids think I like to hear myself talk.. [21:23] thats cool [21:24] busy night here [21:24] Nothing makes people grin as much as a loopback test. [21:24] i guess these new petrol electric cars will do good for the environment and wallet lol [21:24] no doubt [21:24] Ah, hybrid cars. [21:24] to both Stealth and nlcw [21:24] Im considering a hybrid [21:24] not here...they cost more to buy than they save in fuel. [21:24] * al (~Dangerous@c-24-8-173-30.hsd1.co.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: later) [21:24] but they look like they could get run over by a semi real good [21:25] good for the environment maybe, if the electricty needed to charge them comes from a clean source (nuclear is good) [21:25] nuclear is great. [21:25] Not even you are in a truck-based hybrid. [21:25] Vanessa: Depends on what you do with it. I've read a report of a new Toyota Prius getting modified enough to get around 100 MPG. [21:25] cheapest I've seen in Seattle is $2.39 for gas... $2.59 or higher is average [21:25] i thnk hybrids can go fast, but wonder how much torque they have (e.g. how much load they can handle) [21:25] impressive [21:26] Prius is most popular hybrid... nice waiting list [21:26] nlcw: They do go fast, and they generate a lot of torque once the secondary, electro-motor engine kicks in. [21:26] nuclear, hell no!! stay away from nuclear, does more bad than good [21:26] no wya [21:26] way [21:26] nuclear is clean, less crap into the environment than coal. [21:26] ya, use solar power or wind power [21:26] Id rather poison a mountain than poison the air [21:26] solar or wind is good too though [21:26] Fission or fusion? [21:26] Less war, less terrorism, etc. [21:26] Nuclear cars?! :-) [21:27] ack - trying to help guy set up his cable modem via phone... [21:27] no.... [21:27] hm, a nuclear car....Mr. Fusion? :) [21:27] nuclear! no! nuclear=nuclear waste=more polluted terrain=death [21:27] lets just get rid of coal based power plants [21:27] wont ever see them soon [21:27] <^Oldbit^> nuclear waste in small amounts could allow us to use steam again.. Navy creates a lot of it... [21:27] terrorists could use them for dirty bombs [21:27] I know, built a generator that runs on electricity, just plug it in ;) [21:27] Nuclear cars? Not really. Nuclear jets? Yes please. Would like to see a MiG-29 powered by one of those. [21:27] Shades of Back to the Future! [21:27] nlcw: coal puts more crap into the air and environment than nuclear does. [21:27] ya, come to PA for a demo [21:28] I like Back to the Future [21:28] you can scrape the soot off the side of house [21:28] nuclear puts out a bit less than even the ambient radiation that's always present. [21:28] Galaxus: A terrorist can make a bomb from a bottle of nitro, a chewing gum, two wires and a snickers bar. [21:28] <^Oldbit^> Mr Fusion [21:28] mig... haha [21:28] true but not a dirty bomb [21:28] Galaxus: Says who? Chocolate leaves a LOT of stains. :P [21:28] doh! [21:28] hehe [21:28] I'll wait for cold fusion [21:28] * ^Oldbit^ was wondering about the snickers bar part... [21:29] now im hungry [21:29] wait [21:29] I was hungry before [21:29] but nuclear waste is very hard to get rid of, and very readioactive, do you want to see your future relatives twitch, or be born with a missing limb, or look deformed? [21:29] Oldbit, that's for the guy to munch on while he's creating it. [21:29] <^Oldbit^> LOL [21:29] I'm eating Chinese food right now. [21:29] Moloch, laugh all you want, the MiG-29 still outperforms any jet once it gets into a dogfight. And it WILL survive to get close enough. [21:29] nlcw: nuclear waste puts out less radiation than the ambient that was already present., [21:29] Indeed. [21:29] * ^Oldbit^ already twitches, point being? [21:29] studies have been done. It has been proven. [21:29] anyone here from Tennessee? [21:29] think about it a minute... [21:30] where did the radionactive material come from? [21:30] it came from the ground originally, refined to produce the fuel we use [21:30] the radiation monster from the deep [21:30] and it goes back into the ground. [21:30] nuclear is bad news... fullstop [21:30] * iAN_CooG is now known as iAN_AFK [21:30] no way [21:30] Hell, everyone who shrieks because depleted-uranium shells are made from what was once radioactive is wrong, they're used because they're heavy, self-sharpening and self-igniting. [21:30] What was that C= game that put you in charge of a nuclear reactor? [21:30] They're used for their physical and frictional properties, not nuclear. [21:30] Meltdown? hehe [21:30] Nuke 'em? [21:31] nlcw: if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco. [21:31] * ^Oldbit^ remembers this game... what was the name? [21:31] Oldbit: R-Type! [21:31] last thing we want is a terrorist to have access to a nuclear plant.. sheesh [21:31] <^Oldbit^> no [21:31] well we can't not use nuclear - too many humans on this planet [21:31] ...no, wait. [21:31] "According to available records, Gulf War MiG-29 losses totaled twenty-nine aircraft. No Western aircraft are acknowledged to have fallen victim to the MiG-29s." [21:31] nlcw: you can't use nuclear waste nor nuclear reactor fuel to make a bomb. period. [21:31] it has problems but our other resources are limited [21:31] Iraq [21:31] wrong type of fuel. [21:31] There was the silouhuette of a nuclear reactor cooling tower on the box of that game. [21:32] but you can make dirty bombs from nuclear materials [21:32] Moloch: Those were Iraqi pilots. I'm talking squads like the Russian Knights, Russian Swifts and Ukrainian Falcons. [21:32] teachnology improves, just think how many improvements we've made in the past 100 years, what will we have in a hundred years from now? alternatives.. [21:32] * Galaxus slaps Q-Link around a bit with a large trout [21:32] ouch [21:32] * ^Oldbit^ makes dirty bombs after eating taco bell.. [21:32] * Cyberjank is not worried about nuclear material being stolen in the USA [21:32] Stealth - Right, plane is only as good as the pilots. [21:32] in the future, we'll be using nuclear fusion most likely, or a solar platform in orbit. [21:32] we need something... [21:32] other than petro [21:32] should we outlaw hospitals too? [21:32] yep [21:33] In a hundred years, we'll have Commodore? [21:33] there is nothing worse for your health or the environment than fossil fuels. [21:33] nothing worse [21:33] nuclear, aeroplanes... wheres commodore talk? [21:33] lol [21:33] Moloch: Yes, but bear in mind all US fighters are energy fighters, the MiG29 in particular is a dogfighter since its performance envelope peaks between 400 and 600 KPH. [21:33] Robert: in a hundred years, we'll still have the C64 :) [21:33] <^Oldbit^> Of course we will [21:33] i hope so vanessa :-) [21:33] yep the c64 will never die [21:33] nuclear could kill the c64? [21:33] I got it on my Pocket PC [21:33] :-() [21:33] Yes, I saw Commodores in the Computer History Museum. At least they are there. [21:34] well, in a hundred years, after the third world war, there'll be Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart, three cockroaches, and a C64 :) [21:34] it could kill all microchips - just use one for an EMP [21:34] electromagnetic pulse [21:34] Stealth - My only hope is that we don't ever see, in my lifetime, fights between the best pilots... I'd prefer we don't have another world war. [21:34] lol VanessaD1 [21:34] Time for a plug. Call mad world BBS - madworld.bounceme.net [21:34] see ya in a bit... [21:34] the fastest land vehicle went at 10,000+ kms. on rails.. [21:34] * Cyberjank is now known as CJ-AFK [21:34] Moloch: Amen to that. I've seen one war around me and it's enough for a lifetime. [21:34] Stealth, I found 3 matches to your query: Ab, JavaUser, A. Ab (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.159.142.Di al1.Orlando1.Level3.net) was last seen changing his/her nick from JavaUser on #c64friends 25 minutes ago (12.11. 20:21). Ab is still there. [21:34] want to protect yourself from an EMP? build a faraday cage, like the one in your Microwave oven. [21:34] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:35] I tried to go to madworld.bounceme.net but my Commodore just showed gibberish on the screen. [21:35] <^Oldbit^> so basically, all I need to do is put my 64 in the microwave? [21:35] I should make one and put my c64, 128 and amiga in there [21:35] Hi, MikeC. [21:35] sure as long as you don't turn the microwave on :) [21:35] * _Six_ (~Six@FL-ESR1-72-49-155-189.fuse.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:35] Hi guys [21:35] hey Mike [21:35] hi MikeC [21:36] microwaves only look for liquid, and boil it, and heat other things up, but liquid seems to get the hottest [21:36] I guess I shouldn't have thrown away the old microwave, now... [21:36] nlcw: not true. [21:36] ok back to just my qlink machine - (back to just Gorngoblin for now) [21:36] byez [21:36] nlcw: Not true. The hottest thing in any microwave dish is the cheese. :P [21:36] * Galaxus (~shraderc@pcp04064539pcs.westk01.tn.comcast.net) Quit [21:36] they excite the molecules of whatever is in there [21:36] a microwave causes water *molecules* to resonate with the frequency of the microwave itself. [21:36] * _Six_ (~Six@FL-ESR1-72-49-155-189.fuse.net) has joined #c64friends [21:37] Hi, Six. [21:37] wb _Six_ [21:37] {GornGoblin} be back in a bit [21:37] lol, dont try putting a mug in to microwave and remove it using the handle, the handle gets bloody hot!! [21:37] * JoecCommo (~JoeCommod@64.174.30.242) has joined #c64friends [21:37] Left QRoom: GornGoblin [21:37] you don't need liquid water for it to work. Also works on other materials that don't contain water, as long as their resonant frequency is close to the microwave's. [21:37] Howdy JoecCommo [21:37] Hi, Larry. [21:37] exactly. [21:37] Hi there! [21:37] <_Six_> Hola [21:37] the mug isn't made of liquid. try putting an empty mug in there, it'll still get hot given enough time, [21:38] I made the mistake of putting a mug in the mircrowave that had gold leaf on it... [21:38] ZZZAAP!! [21:38] :) [21:38] <^Oldbit^> pretty [21:38] ya :/ [21:38] I've got VCF 8.0 pics up already, http://www.portcommodore.com/vcf8.php [21:39] I didn't think about it until the sparks started flying [21:39] my friend and i pulled a microwave apart when we were younger and switched it on.. its nothing to play around with.. heated a small room in five minutes (with noone in it ofcourse) but.. hmm very stupid (magnatron generates the microwaves) [21:39] I haven't looked at them yet, Larry. [21:39] Bill Kendrick has his VCF pics up, too. [21:40] brb [21:40] Roger Hoyer has his VCF-Midwest pics up [21:40] Where, Snog? [21:40] hangon, let me get the url... [21:41] http://members.iglou.com/thunderbird/ [21:41] I've developed some of my VCF pics but not all yet. [21:41] SWRAP photos there too [21:43] mostly just photos of computers [21:43] Larry, I still have your acrylic bookstands that you lent to me at VCF. [21:43] ohhhh.... c65! [21:43] I just took a tooth brush and scrubed the connection to the cart port, and it seems to work just fine now. [21:44] HELLO ALL [21:44] oops [21:44] Hi, Leo. [21:44] C65? That's what it says at the bottom of the power supply for my Amiga CD32. [21:44] RobertB im now the proud owner of a pagefox cart with box and demo disk! [21:45] Ay, Leo! You are ahead of me. [21:45] <^Oldbit^> Hi Kilr [21:45] hi jeffo [21:45] got it for $10 on ebay! [21:45] However, there's more than just one disk that comes with Pagefox. [21:45] yeah? [21:45] how do you know? [21:46] Yes, because I made copies of those disks while I was in Germany. [21:46] ahic [21:46] i dont think the box mentions any of it [21:46] not even a manual [21:46] There was a comprehensive manual with Pagefox, too. [21:47] unfortunately not my copy [21:47] but i got the main parts anyway :D [21:47] Time to eBay search some more, Leo! [21:47] * CurtisP (MrHorrible@cpe-24-166-34-87.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:47] Hi, Curtis. [21:47] <^Oldbit^> Hi Curtis [21:47] HEY [21:47] Hi Curtis [21:48] ?msg ^Oldbit^ so where exactly is your store? [21:48] lol yeah [21:48] OOPS [21:48] hehe [21:48] <^Oldbit^> cafepress.com/quantumlink [21:48] anyway [21:48] robert: do you have d64's of the pagefox disks [21:49] No, I haven't made D64's of them. [21:49] what is pagefox? [21:49] Before I put this away, anyone need at C128 replacement keys? [21:49] <^Oldbit^> I do [21:49] A desktop-publishing program with specialized REU. [21:50] Oldbit: ok, hold on, I'll be back in just a sec. [21:50] speaking of software, would anyone have software for the videobyte 2 cartridge? possibly email or with a .d64 image? [21:50] yeah, have the manual and disks for videobyte 2 and explode 5 [21:50] somewhere here [21:50] i mean possible email me a .d64 image [21:50] I have VB2 but the disk is not a D64. [21:51] i also have explode moloch [21:51] Super Explode. [21:51] too much trouble to compile a d64? lol? [21:52] I have trouble sending attachments through my Iglou account. [21:52] the videobyte cart works better when cleaned.. mine was very dusty, but i still want to try it with a video amp to boost the video signal, maybe getting better captures [21:53] ick..video byte [21:53] c64 could do SO much better if they had just cared :-/ [21:53] I bought a video amp for my VB but never used it. [21:53] ick? whats better than video byte? anyone played that game hollywood poker on the c64? the digitized graphics on that game was pretty good [21:53] They? What do you mean, Vanessa? [21:54] the designers...surely they knew the c64 had 16 colors and/or was capable of stuff like IFLI? [21:54] i think video byte was made buy some private company, cant remember the name should be on the cart [21:54] nah, nobody at that time knew about FLI [21:54] I've never seen a digitizer capture anything to IFLI. [21:54] RobertB, I found 3 matches to your query: Ab, JavaUser, A. Ab (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.159.142.Di al1.Orlando1.Level3.net) was last seen changing his/her nick from JavaUser on #c64friends 45 minutes ago (12.11. 20:21). Ab is still there. [21:54] nah, nobody at that time knew about FLI [21:54] I have, [21:55] remember my quickscan project? there was a capture-to-IFLI mode in it. [21:55] What do you mean, C64? [21:55] outside of orc/blackmail and a few of the other guys in blackmail [21:55] * VanessaD shrugs [21:55] fli, ifli, i guess were new formats made by coders, graphicians.. (just better resolution i guess?) [21:55] Ah, Quickscan. That was IFLI? How many colors from Quickscan? [21:55] better color control. [21:55] robert: I think it run in 16 colors [21:56] I don't remember seeing many colors on the Quickscan demos you had, Vanessa. [21:56] you've made a digitiser cart vanessa? [21:56] It was more black-and-white. [21:56] If I remember right, the software had 80x50, 160x100 and 320x200/IFLI modes. [21:56] * jaymz (~jaymz@61.68.189.123) has joined #c64friends [21:56] i've seen that quickcam projeect by someone, does that work good? [21:56] that's right, my cam was B&W [21:56] Howdy jaymz [21:56] Hi, Jaymz. [21:56] * jaymz is now known as alih_or_s [21:56] hi [21:56] I forgot! :-/ [21:56] BRB. Must set my video recorder. [21:56] * alih_or_s is now known as alih [21:57] something is worth recording? [21:57] so whats a good video digitiser for the c64..? [21:57] still, the cam delivered 16 gray shades and the code handled it. Not a far jump from there to 16 colors I suspect, if it could have handled a color cam [21:59] *yawn* Alright. Away to sleep. Later. [21:59] niters Stealth [21:59] <^Oldbit^> dead air.. good time for plug for the new design of http://www.petscii.com , http://cml.petscii.com , and http://telbbs.petscii.com [22:00] * Stealth (innuendo@83-131-29-143.adsl.net.t-com.hr) Quit (Quit: Error at $029A) [22:00] How many here are planning on going to the WOC? [22:00] * ^Oldbit^ *might* [22:01] i havbe about a 60% chance of atending :) [22:01] I believe Fuzz will be there [22:01] ok, kinda back. Oldbit, what keys you need, I'll see if they are still there. [22:01] <^Oldbit^> Caricon: grey downarrow from top of keyboard, might need more than the cap, broken off.. [22:02] I have the full key, and little rod that goes down. [22:02] Robert B. do you know anything about quick brown box 64k &128k cartridges rams? [22:02] hrm [22:02] i won't be there [22:02] wow, ^Oldbit^, that grey font is hard to read [22:02] i know i want a quick brown box [22:02] i want a quick brown elephant [22:03] I'm back. [22:03] No, I don't have a Quick Brown Box. [22:03] Thank you Robert [22:04] I do know that you can store programs within the QBB and run them from there. QBB's are battery-backed. [22:05] I have QBB 32 and 64k carts [22:05] no docs [22:05] Dragos I just got 3 for #20.00 [22:05] I'm not going to WOC. [22:05] Good price, Ab! [22:05] We can't go to WOC either :( [22:05] hrm [22:05] i'm going to WOE tho [22:06] (world of elephants) [22:06] so that's a pretty good alternative [22:06] the new commodore ownder yeahronimo, are they japanese? and they are focusing on media.. but do they still care about the c64/schematics etc? [22:06] US based [22:06] They have headquarters in Beverly Hills, California. [22:06] <^Oldbit^> yeahronimo only care about $$$ exploitation of commodore to meet that end... :( [22:06] so is www.petscii.com an example of ledgerdomain? [22:07] OldBit: I have the top grey down arrow [22:07] and music players and such... from thier site. [22:07] <^Oldbit^> cool [22:07] It would be good to take a field trip to Yeahronimo and see who they really are. [22:07] Yeahronimo is a company... companies need money to continue on... that's what they try to do, make money [22:07] <^Oldbit^> curtis: petscii.com is a way to get everything organized and under one roof. [22:07] maybe they should bring out some new c64/128 commercials! i've noticed people everywhere are wanting to try things from the retro now (including computers) like my friend bought a portable radio the other week, which plays cds, mp3s, vcd's and has a built in super nintendo with games on cd! [22:08] Commercials cost money. [22:08] i think my pun fired too high [22:08] <^Oldbit^> yeahronimo has no soul.. theres a difference.. [22:08] i have no soul [22:08] advertise retro!!, what did tulip do with commodore? [22:08] The pun punned out. :-) [22:09] didnt samsung own commodore once? [22:09] No. [22:09] Oldbit: is that the only one, I just want to clean up the bedroom and put everything away. [22:09] <^Oldbit^> yup [22:09] hrm [22:10] the commodore brand isn't worth much commercially [22:10] so i really don't see the point [22:10] I agree there [22:10] I clean up some keys on a 64C keyboard a few weeks ago... [22:10] wonder what tulip did to it? dont tell me they turned the breadbox commodore into a chocolate looking device to try and sell it lol (tulip chocolates) [22:10] <^Oldbit^> sooner or later the scene needs to aquire it. [22:10] The name Commodore is still put on a bunch of items in Germany. [22:10] Telephones, answering machines, CD-R's. [22:10] Depends on how you use it people seem to get thier moneys worth from the Atari brand... [22:11] * TerryM (~TerryM@ip70-173-36-60.fv.dl.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [22:11] Hi, Terry. [22:11] now I have a bowl full of keycaps and springs [22:11] Howdy TerryM [22:11] Hello [22:11] Hi Terry [22:11] not many others talking? [22:12] Where did I put my flat C128 with bunches of missing keys... the one I rescued from the charity shop? :-) [22:12] Robert, how well did the books sell? [22:12] Vacation over, back to work tommorow for me... :-/ [22:12] Darn, Larry! :-) [22:12] I was wondering how well they could sell at the CinciClassic... [22:13] We sold half of the 24 On the Edge books. [22:13] <^Oldbit^> CinciClassic? [22:13] I bought one, very interesting, only up to page 50 where Commodore Bought BASIC... [22:13] If it weren't for those book sales, our table would have lost money at VCF. [22:13] I gotta get that book [22:13] yep, order that book eventually [22:14] I wonder if it will ever make it to the retail stores? [22:14] I was counting on the sale of two SX-64's to pay for the table, but no one even looked at the SX's seriously. [22:14] A distribution deal with a book chain, Snog? [22:15] Had Dale Luck sign mine, forgot to have Jason Scott sign the BBS documentary I bout there too... (also really good BTW) [22:15] <_Six_> Is it common for CMD drives to require power cycling all the time? (or is it my SX)? [22:15] ya, would be nice to see a C= book in the bookstores [22:15] I think the On the Edge book would do well as big chain booksellers, very good story. [22:15] Yes, it was good that Dale was signing the book at VCF. Now all we need are the other engineers to autograph the book. [22:15] arent sx64's getting rare? [22:16] No, CMD drives do not power cycle. [22:16] * lordronin (~lordronin@12-217-178-211.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends [22:16] NLCW, not rare enough for the jaded computer folk at VCF. [22:16] Hoi gang [22:16] Hi, Dave M. [22:16] Hey LR! [22:16] Lived through the convention. Even talked to Intel people at their convention in the hotle [22:16] Howdy lordronin [22:16] Hoi Joe [22:17] Which convention, LR? [22:17] Hoi Snogpitch [22:17] <_Six_> Huh. Maybe it's the Super Snapshot + SX64 + CMD drive combo [22:17] Super [22:17] OryCon27 in Portland, sci-fi/fantasy and gaming [22:17] hrm [22:17] well [22:17] No, even in that configuration, they are not supposed to power cycle. [22:17] bleh [22:17] Super Snapshot might be iffy with the CMD drive... I don't think it was designed to get along with it. [22:18] i wish supercpu was available elsewhere apart from cmdrkey (which seems pretty dead) [22:18] Ah, Orycon. [22:18] However, the SS does take a lot of power. [22:18] LR how did your sales go? [22:18] did maurice randall design the supercpu? [22:18] no [22:18] haha [22:18] no [22:18] hahahahahahahhahaa [22:18] <^Oldbit^> no [22:18] who did? [22:18] Broke even as a dealer this year. Shall put in the Dec issue my talks with Intel boys on the C= and the comments I got on my Geos 2.0 on the table [22:19] breaking even is good [22:19] i mean [22:19] CMD designed the SCPU, Maurice builds and distributes it. [22:19] better than losing money [22:19] alih: first time in 3 years thar Imade that much [22:19] Nice, broke even! [22:19] so why doesnt someone else have the schematics to build? [22:19] alomst $700 in 2.5 days [22:19] Wow, LR. [22:19] wow, that's a haul! [22:19] :X [22:20] But the table cost you almost $700? [22:20] Covered the $150 for the booth and the $450 for the hotel. Almost the $200 for the ride to and from. All on RPG things. [22:20] Table cost me $145 [22:20] maybe someone with a scpu and produce a schematic, but i heard they arent easy to build? why? [22:20] Ah, you include other costs. [22:21] NLCW, CMD still owns the copyrights/patents to the SCPU. [22:21] $100 for the booth, $10 for extra 8' table and 35 for the membership. [22:21] I've seen mention of Jeri and Brain working on reverse engineering SCPU... but we'll see if that ever is completed [22:21] but cmd is maurice randall! [22:21] Jim Brain has said that? [22:21] No, CMD is not Maurice Randall. [22:21] Not that I know of [22:21] Seen it in a show report... [22:21] Moloch, I found 3 matches to your query: Ab, JavaUser, A. Ab (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.159.142.Dia l1.Orlando1.Level3.net) was last seen changing his/her nick from JavaUser on #c64friends 1 hour 12 minutes ago (12.11. 20:21). Ab is still there. [22:22] the scpu is really pretty useless anyhow. were any worthwhile programs ever written that users the 65816 part? [22:22] What show report, Moloch? [22:22] i thought maurice bought cmd? who owns cmd? [22:22] Wings uses the 25816 [22:22] WiNGs. [22:22] RB - Would have to find it, read it two weeks ago [22:22] Wheels, Wave and Post Print [22:22] hrm [22:22] Wheels doesn [22:22] but nothing actually cool :-p [22:22] No, Maurice has the license to build and distribute CMD products. [22:23] Wheels can take advantage of the 65816, but it is not a requirement [22:23] CMD still requires royalties from every CMD product Maurice sells. [22:23] i guess the main use of scpu is for c64/128 users to connect to the internet, but i guess there are ways around that now, with contiki, rrnet retroreplay etc [22:23] Snogpitch: You're right, I forgot as I use it and the SPCU so often in conjunction. [22:23] SCPU is not necessary to connect to Internet. [22:23] SCPU was handy with Novaterm... made the soft80 work flawlessly [22:23] the thing is [22:23] okay [22:23] back when I accessed internet by c64 [22:24] at that point you might as well just hook up a self-booting emulator these days [22:24] which is lame too [22:24] but no less lame than a scpu [22:24] SCPU is good for developers, and BBSs that support the speed boost. [22:24] Hmm, I've never tried Novaterm with the SCPU. [22:24] novaterm 10 you mean? [22:24] However, Desterm 3.02, which made use of the SCPU, would lock up for unknown reasons. [22:25] + scpu games.. [22:25] novaterm v9.4/9.5... whatever I was using in 96 [22:25] whats the deal with these ntsc dtv demos? what is it about the dtv that stops c64's/emulators running dtv demos? [22:25] dtv has extra features [22:25] some differences [22:26] you mean better resolution? graphics? colours? [22:26] Crossbow released the first DTV2 demo yesterday also [22:26] <_Six_> DTV has DMA, enhanced colors [22:26] <_Six_> cough [22:26] my understanding is that novaterm 10 was all buggy and stuff [22:26] Six :D [22:26] Robert B. are you home and is the phone open? [22:26] i downloaded that demo just before "critical update" [22:26] jrm [22:26] novaterm 10 is buggy, it's beta software [22:26] Novaterm 10r2 is still incomplete. [22:26] hopefully in a few weeks i won't be broke and iwll be able to get myself a dtv to play with [22:27] bedtime for me [22:27] gnight all [22:27] * CurtisP (MrHorrible@cpe-24-166-34-87.neo.res.rr.com) has left #c64friends [22:27] does strobe chat here (novaterm 10 developer) [22:27] Errol hasn't been around in years (Strobe) [22:27] mostly because i want to see the demos [22:27] Ab, I'm at home, but the C128DCR is on-line, so I cannot use the phone. However, my answering service will pick up any messages sent this way. [22:27] hmmm [22:27] brb [22:28] <_Six_> grumble [22:28] grumble? [22:28] That little 5-inch PAL t.v. I was using for VCF was not enough to show off the PAL DTV. [22:28] OK Robert I`ll send it [22:29] Just speak your mind to the answering service, Ab. :-) [22:29] Six isn't happy about a certain DTV2 issue [22:29] hehe [22:29] Oh, so that's what it is. :-) [22:30] I won't say more... a certain Goat might kill me. [22:30] :D [22:30] :-) [22:30] hrm, not a reason which can be spilled in public? :) [22:30] * alih is a drama llama :-p [22:31] Drama llama? Same family as a goat? ;-) [22:31] It was interesting to hear about the first demo for the PAL DTV. [22:31] Chupacabra? [22:32] * Garth (~1033D4B66@c210-49-155-242.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #c64friends [22:32] Goat killer! [22:32] Howdy Garth [22:32] Hi, Garth. [22:32] Hoi Garth [22:32] Nov 12 19:26:52 Moloch Crossbow released the first DTV2 demo yesterday also [22:32] Nov 12 19:26:59 _Six_ cough [22:32] Nov 12 19:28:44 _Six_ grumble [22:32] hehe [22:32] Hi all [22:32] oh, that one [22:32] yeah, i was aware that six was first on this [22:32] Of course, that Crest release isn't the first DTV2 demo [22:32] first one released to public [22:32] but certainly not the first [22:33] That would make it the first. :-) [22:33] A certain lazy goat let that happen... :) [22:33] hrm [22:33] The others were .1, .2, .3, etc. ;-) [22:34] <_Six_> Bah [22:34] hehe :) [22:34] Just like there are lots of CommodoreOne cores (for the Schneider CPC) which have not been released publicly. [22:34] <_Six_> The first DTV demo is the intro where you pickthe games. [22:34] <_Six_> The first DTV2 demo - same thing. [22:35] i find it hilarious that the commodoreone is baiscally an amstrad cpc these days :) [22:35] Did everybody see the CommodoreOne article at http://www.lotek64.com [22:35] ? [22:36] is lotek64.com in english? [22:36] I don't bother with Germany only websites generally [22:36] only forum-64.de [22:36] <_Six_> I'm starting to think open source is a bad idea. [22:36] Nope, in German. I'm slowly translating that 3+ page artcle. [22:36] article. [22:36] see [22:36] if you're writing articles for the internet in german [22:37] gang, sorry but gotta split all of a sudden [22:37] Interview with Jens Schoenfeld. [22:37] then you expect it to only be read by the seven people in the world who speak that language [22:37] * lordronin (~lordronin@12-217-178-211.client.mchsi.com) Quit (Quit: leaving) [22:37] i think robertb and majervalp are the most active commodore users i've seen, as far as hardware projects go i think germans are most active? [22:37] nlcw, if you can't see robertb here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ [22:37] haha [22:37] great bot [22:37] With 3K+ people visiting the site per month (that's what the editors say), that is a lot of people. [22:37] i see him, lol [22:38] applauds to robertb.. [22:38] nlcw: how do you figure that exactly? [22:38] Me, active? :-) [22:38] as a general summary.. lol.. [22:39] i wish the aussies were more active, though i've come across some.. [22:39] Robert you are everywhere! [22:39] I'd have to disagree [22:39] nlcw: ide64 is czech, tfe+contiki is sweedish (which rrnet is based off), mmc64 might be german tho [22:39] The devteam behind DTV and Hummer is the most active I'd say [22:39] Jens Schoenfeld has his viewpoint on the CommodoreOne controversy. [22:39] germans? well maybe i meant euros.. :-)? [22:39] and they're getting paid to do 6510 stuff in 2005 [22:39] nlcw: europe is a pretty big set of countries ;-p [22:40] <^Oldbit^> You guys forgetting the 'brain [22:40] Moloch: you're not getting paid for those games and demos? [22:40] getting paid by whom? [22:40] yes, ofcource brain, and not forgetting andreas boose and the viceteam [22:40] DTV and Hummer are at a standstill right now, that is, the work has already been done on them. [22:40] I was just thinking of Jim Brain though I think he is both HW & SW... [22:40] Joe cCommo, I located a silicon realms tutorial disk in my collection. what year did you make that? [22:40] nlcw: vice isn't a c64 production [22:41] RB - I'm fully aware of what's up. :) [22:41] Yes, VICE is continually being developed. [22:41] no, but its c64 related.. and slowly expanding its capabilities [22:41] * ^Oldbit^ would love to figure out how to get vice to 80 col. [22:41] VICE NTSC emulation is trash [22:41] Godot is still being added to. [22:41] vice emulation of anything that isn't c64pal is trash [22:41] C64 [22:41] Hmmm I did that years ago... I think I mastered it on the CMD, probably at least 5 maybe 7. [22:41] right [22:42] ntsc emulation on vice is trash? [22:42] tho to be fair their c128 emulation si still better than any other. it's still trash, mind you [22:42] must have been downloaded by someone here in australia [22:42] downloaded what? > garth? [22:42] Speaking of emulators, the new Gamepark GP2X is coming out. [22:42] <^Oldbit^> we're not going to start this whole NTSC vs PAL thing again are we? [22:43] Oldbit - Not starting anything. [22:43] Sounds like an awesome platform for emulators. [22:43] finding quite a few q-link downloads too [22:43] ^Oldbit^: no, this is the "vice dens't work as advertised" thread. keep up. [22:43] NTSC emulation in Vice has major flaws... which haven't been fixed over numerous releases [22:43] <^Oldbit^> hehe [22:43] ^Oldbit^: i'll attack NTSC later :-p [22:43] ntsc, pal, who cares there are ways to run both whereever you are [22:44] * Ab (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.159.142.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 612 seconds) [22:44] I think I'll buy the Gamepark GP2X in order to run Commodore and Amiga emulators on it. [22:44] ntsc, pal as far as c64 goes, why fight? are we fighting over the slight speed difference? [22:44] nlcw: we're mostly fighting over lines/frame and cycles/line [22:44] alih: graphics? [22:45] * ^Oldbit^ 's eye roll.. [22:45] i'm still unable to correclty fix the new go(v) outfit for ntsc [22:45] Gamepark GP2x? [22:45] i mean [22:45] um, I want good emulation... Vice doesn't provide that even tho the flaws in the emulation have been pointed out numerous times... this isn't some ntsc/pal fight. [22:45] it's just annoying [22:45] Yes, Rick, the successor to the Gamepark GP32. [22:46] The new GP2X uses dual ARM processors. [22:46] (btw: go(v) #23 - http://www.artificial-stupidity.net/gameoverview/ ) [22:46] haha [22:46] spammer [22:46] And those tiny Secure Digital cards. [22:46] Moloch: yeah, i know [22:47] just use vice in pal mode.. [22:47] nlcw: i'm in pal land - but people email me to complain, you see [22:47] nlcw: and besides, even in pal vice's emulation is far from perfect [22:47] yep [22:48] I'm told the screen shears on PAL also [22:48] i guess emulators arent meant to be perfect, but vice seems acceptable.. [22:48] in pal [22:48] Moloch: well, it doesn't _if_ you can get it running in a 50hz screenmode - if i run vice on my TV, it's okay. but on my pc monitor it tears like a crazsy person [22:48] some people use ccs64.. is ccs still good? [22:49] Other people use Frodo. [22:49] yeah.. and a java c64 emulator? [22:49] and others still use MagiC64 [22:49] I use Power64 [22:49] nlcw: well, ccs3 has slightly better vic emulation, but significnatly worse sid emulation [22:49] nlcw: ccs2 has the advantage of running in dos in a tweaked mode that doens't tear [22:49] I'd use ccs3 if it had a good GUI [22:49] never used magic64 or power64, are they good? [22:49] alih: I never managed to get Vice to run smoothly. Proper refresh rate and vsync in fullscreen helped, but it would still "jump" once every few seconds or so. [22:49] RobertB: no-one uses frodo who can avoid it :) [22:49] magic64 is amiga based [22:49] You need a Macintosh for Power64 [22:50] i dont think i've ever had a visual problem with vice in pal.. very smooth.. unless i need glasses.. lol [22:50] Talus: that's a scheduling issue with your OS - i tweaked it to run SCHED_RR (the same as realtime priority on windows, probably) to make it not do that [22:50] It ran Geos before the others could [22:50] However, Frodo is what powers the emulators for Gamepark, Palm, PocketPC, and XBox. [22:51] Power64 Macs only... But really nice! (lot of mac features like paste to emulator drag and drop virtual drives, etc.) [22:51] alih: Hmm, I might try that... [22:51] That's one advantage of DOS, no OS to speak of :) [22:51] Talus: but yeah, in a multitasking OS this is always gonna be a problem. that's where ccs2 for dos was great [22:51] I currently use it whenever I need to deal with d64s [22:51] there is a vice for dos too [22:52] i dunno how well it works [22:52] If I have to boot DOS, though, it almost seems easier to boot the real thing :P [22:52] right [22:52] exactly [22:52] The real C64! [22:52] i basically use vice for two reasons [22:53] (a) debugging - being able to stop the vic is useful when debugging raster code [22:53] anyone used beos os on pc? i used it a long time ago (it was media focussed) [22:53] (b) warp mode [22:53] nlcw: yes. it was okay. [22:54] ah yes warp mode, helps use quantum link quicker.. lol, and skip to parts of demos quicker etc. but sometimes crashes [22:54] beos is nice to use and great with media files but support is limited [22:54] it runs vice too [22:54] what is QNX, and who would still use Solaris? (sun sparc mahines?) [22:55] nlcw: qnx is a realtime unix-a-like that runs it's own GUI called photon [22:55] hmm [22:55] vice supports: [22:55] nlcw: apart from people who have sparc machines, solaris also has a bunch of features that other unixes lack on x86 [22:55] Binary for MS-Windows 32bit (Pentium-optimized): WinVICE-1.17.zip [22:55] Binary for Acorn RISC OS systems: vice-riscos1_17.zip [22:55] Binary for BeOS x86 systems: BeVICE-1.17.x86.zip [22:55] Binary for x86 QNX 6.x systems: VICE-1.17-x86-public.qpr. To be installed with the QNX installer. [22:55] Binary for Intel Solaris 8 systems: vice-1.17-sol8-x86-local.gz. To be installed with the Solaris installer. [22:55] Binary for Intel Solaris 9 systems: vice-1.17-sol9-x86-local.gz. To be installed with the Solaris installer. [22:55] Binary for Intel Solaris 10 systems: vice-1.17-sol10-x86-local.gz. To be installed with the Solaris installer. [22:55] Binary for Sparc Solaris 2.6 systems: vice-1.17-sol26-sparc-local.gz. To be installed with the Solaris installer. [22:55] Binary for Sparc Solaris 7 systems: vice-1.17-sol7-sparc-local.gz. To be installed with the Solaris installer. [22:55] Binary for Sparc Solaris 9 systems: vice-1.17-sol9-sparc-local.gz. To be installed with the Solaris installer. [22:55] Binary for Sparc Solaris 10 systems: vice-1.17-sol10-sparc-local.gz. To be installed with the Solaris installer. [22:55] Additional information for the Solaris packages can be found at the Sun Freeware homepage [22:55] nlcw: please don't flood [22:56] sorry [22:56] nlcw: we are all capable of reading webpages [22:56] bed time for me, nite all! [22:56] later joec [22:56] Bye, Larry. [22:56] Niters JoecCommo [22:56] * JoecCommo (~JoeCommod@64.174.30.242) Quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11) [22:57] hmm vice 1.17 doesnt support macosx? or os2? [22:57] BRB. Must switch off the DVD recorder. [22:57] nlcw: not nativly. the mac os x support requires X11 [22:58] ya, kind of makes it a pain to use as well [22:58] you mean mac osx version 11? [22:58] nlcw: no, I mean X11.app [22:58] whats that? [23:01] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=x11 [23:01] firest entry [23:01] first also [23:01] ta [23:01] * Elwix (elwix@pool-71-114-180-254.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #c64friends [23:01] Howdy Elwix [23:02] Hello Elwix [23:02] sluggoat [23:02] frozenmolassis [23:03] * Fuzz-PSW (~Fuzz-PSW@205.211.50.54) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [23:03] /me uses solaris [23:04] was there something on Q tonight that I missed? [23:04] Thursday is the regular chat nite on Q [23:05] anyone use contiki on a stock 64 using pcap? [23:05] Orphan's Bar or some other [23:05] i saw a post on csc.. [23:06] the orphans bar is used by users of the original q mostly [23:06] post on c.s.c regarding what? [23:06] on tuesdays theres a quiz night too [23:06] * Fuzz-PSW (~Fuzz-PSW@205.211.52.54) has joined #c64friends [23:06] I'm back. [23:06] Hi, Elwix and Fuzz. [23:07] hi Robert [23:08] if there was something tonight, it wasn't on the opening news [23:09] <_Six_> cough [23:09] I met Keith Henrickson last weekend at VCF. He and Jim Brain reverse-engineered Q-Link. [23:09] nevermind.. it was nothing.. :) [23:09] Keith is really a good guy. [23:09] And his Q-Link exhibit won 3 awards at VCF. [23:09] Hello RobertB [23:09] Hi, Rick B. [23:10] oh thats good news.. they deserve some recognition.. [23:10] We even found a never-opened Q-Link game package for him among our software. [23:10] brb [23:10] It was a package of gambling games for Q-Link... what was it called? [23:11] majic rabbit casino or something? [23:11] Hello Elwix [23:11] Puzzler? [23:11] Yeah, something casino. [23:11] Rabbit Jack's Casino [23:11] RabbitJack's Casino [23:11] yeah [23:12] Is that it? Well, it had the disks and full documentation. [23:12] Now he will be able to complete that part of the new Q-Link. [23:12] I've got the documentation for Puzzler, but not Rabbit Jack's [23:13] <_Six_> http://www.style64.org/ [23:13] What other areas of Q-Link still need work? [23:13] <_Six_> http://www.style64.org/ [23:13] <_Six_> :) [23:13] about damn time [23:13] :D [23:13] Pretty much everything [23:13] <_Six_> DTV demo for whoever wants to dl it. [23:13] slackgoat!! :D [23:14] Like what, Snog? [23:14] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [23:14] theres not much working past the chatrooms yet [23:14] <^Oldbit^> wb schema [23:14] hey Schema [23:14] Download areas, SuperQ SID play [23:14] News [23:14] Yeah, I expected the DL areas needed work. [23:14] website isn't that use friendly [23:14] needs more testing :) [23:14] I don't know about the other areas. [23:15] super q is only barely running have to reboot to exit [23:15] IE sucks, dont use it :) [23:15] Hi Schema [23:15] Firefox sucks, can't use it. [23:15] majority rules. [23:15] <^Oldbit^> SQ menus now work on Q [23:15] * Dragos only uses Firefox [23:15] Ya, if you start SuperQ, you pretty much stay with it until you are done talking [23:15] is there an exit from super q? [23:16] You mean besides the power switch? [23:16] <^Oldbit^> menus work, a little buggy.. [23:16] I think the Contiki web browser is the ultimate in terms of immunity from spyware [23:16] Can you explain to me what is SuperQ? [23:16] Lynx text browser gets no spyware. [23:16] SuperQ takes advantage of graphix characters [23:16] theres a color change app that makes regular q look like super q i use that [23:16] <^Oldbit^> SuperQ is an enhanced chat room replacement for Qlink [23:16] Ah, enhanced. [23:17] <_Six_> Style releases Must See DTV, the final verison of the first demo for the DTV (v1), original shown and released at SWRAP 2005 on September 17. The demo is a showcase of the “cblast” technique invented by Six/Style, and offers a glimpse of some of the new effects possible with the DTV. Enjoy! - http://style64.org [23:17] Great! [23:18] <^Oldbit^> cool [23:18] no screenshot, to keep is un suspense? [23:18] no screenshot, to keep us in suspense? [23:19] BRB. [23:19] * RobertB (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:19] Will it run on a V2? [23:19] <_Six_> Later tonight. I gotta cap it [23:19] <_Six_> It will, but it'll look funky. [23:20] How would you capture it? TV in card I guess? [23:20] like to see some caps from the newest Crossbow demo also [23:20] unless there's a supersecret VICE DTV mod [23:20] hm, i think i need to invest in another folding cable. it's impossible to cram my amiga and 64 onto one table. [23:20] be off guys.. nice talking, laters [23:21] wlel, maybe not impossible but very hard [23:21] * nlcw (nlcw@203-206-9-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) has left #c64friends [23:22] my hdd went tits up in my amiga.. i've been using uae in the meanwhile.. very pleased with it actually.. [23:22] * RobertB (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [23:23] mine did too, but i didn't have much on it [23:24] it's a 500 with only 1MB of RAM so a HD is kinda useless except for disk image writing [23:24] well lucikly i have backups on to zip disks, so no real lose.. [23:24] ok. who's know some working of the C128D? [23:24] Snog, the greeting upon entering c64friends still says that the website is at www.geocities.com/c64friends. [23:24] Caricon, can you be more specific? [23:24] if I can get my hands on a dataflyer RAM card it'll be more useful [23:24] I keep changing it, but it goes back for some reason [23:25] In 128 80 column mode, I get color, in 128 40 and C64 mode, black and white. [23:25] then my 500 will have SCSI + 8MB of RAM [23:25] er, 9MB [23:25] the dataflyer RAM card holds up to 8MB [23:25] plus the 1MB in the system [23:25] It was working just fine an hour ago. This 128D is really trying to push my buttons :) [23:25] I just came in, Cubey. Your A500 has a problem? [23:26] no, just the old 80MB HD in the dataflyer died [23:26] ahh.. well i've put quite a bit in mine.. 1260 power tower with mediator pci, sb16, voodoo3, NIC, cdrom, zip drive, powerflyer ide and more... [23:26] 80-column is RGB, 40-column is composite or separated. [23:26] Hmmm. [23:26] Caricon: so what does it do now? [23:26] 2 seperate cables [23:27] doh.. i see [23:27] I made sure it wasn't the cable. [23:27] Now that's a A1200 tower! [23:27] lol [23:27] I was wanting a 2000 or better but someone kept saying 500 is good so that's what I got :/ [23:27] Well, Caricon, it could be a bad a/v cable. [23:27] and now i'm kind of regretting it [23:27] It's not the cable. [23:27] It could be bad RCA jacks on the monitor. [23:27] I wanted a 4000 of course but didn't want to spend $300 [23:28] I just pluged in the 128D I have, and color came right up. [23:28] spent half that (with shipping) on this A500 [23:28] got the 1084S monitor with it too, so. [23:28] hrm [23:28] So something is wrong with your VIC chip. [23:28] got a pile of amigas [23:28] never use them [23:28] :( [23:29] any 600/1200? [23:29] or anything other than 1000/500? [23:29] ;) [23:29] got a 600 here but floppy controller dead [23:29] well, i'd really like to, for now, find a dataflyer RAM card [23:29] * AlanR (AlanR@user-33qt84p.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit [23:29] or some other way to add RAM and keep my SCSI [23:30] I have 3 Amiga 2000 Video Toasters coming back from repair next week. [23:30] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE000fb552ac59-CM001371b66e78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]) [23:30] since I have the dataflyer 500 already, the RAM card would be practical. too bad it's kind of rare [23:30] Caricon: so is it just a loss of color? is the picture stable otherwise? [23:30] i missed out on one cheap on ebay >:( i didn't see it until it was over [23:31] cygnus: yep. [23:31] I have a Dataflyer RAM card... but I'm keeping it! :-) [23:31] don't blame you [23:31] might still have mine [23:31] i got the manual for it with my lot of stuff :\ [23:31] new box, manual ,everything [23:31] caricon, and no random garbage characters or anything like that, right? [23:31] and other manuals for stuff i don't habve [23:32] in fact... might be right there in the closet [23:32] * Moloch points left [23:32] BRB. Must get my Dataflyer and look at it. [23:33] my dataflyer 500 is missing some parts like the LED and the rear db25 connector :( [23:33] cygnus: nope. and goes to 64 mode just fine too, but b/w [23:35] I'm back. [23:35] My mistake... it's an AlfaRAM board with 8 megs of ZIP memory. [23:35] Caricon: assuming your cables are good and plugged in all the way, a loss of color is probably an indication of a failure in the VIC chip. [23:36] Hey, that's what I said. :-) [23:36] or maybe the wrong video standard... [23:36] what's the number on that one? [23:36] then its settled.. :) we cant both be wrong! ;) [23:37] what kind of machine is it? [23:37] 128D [23:37] 128d.. wopuld have to look at the schematic.. [23:37] NTSC, Caricon? [23:37] yes [23:37] Then no wrong video standard. [23:37] 80 column color is ok? [23:38] I have 2 128D's. I plug in one, and all the color is ok. Plug in the other and just the 40 column is b/w [23:38] 80 column still comes up in color. But they are on 2 seperate cables. [23:38] I have a SupraRAM board for the A500 with 2 megs of memory. Must load it up to 8. :-) [23:39] make sure the vic is seated in its socket they can move over time [23:39] ok, which chip is the VIC one. Is there a number like the CIA's 6526. [23:39] never had a dcr so not sure i run the d model [23:40] Uh, would that be the 8563? [23:40] thats 80 column chip [23:40] is the VIC a long or short one? [23:40] U21 [23:41] <_Six_> :) [23:41] had to go peek at the schematic.. :) [23:41] 8564 [23:43] is it under the floppy or power supply [23:43] under the floppy is drive hardware [23:44] There was a run magazine that had a photo shot of the 128D insides with a map [23:45] if i remember correctly, the VIC is shielded on the 128d.. [23:45] not sure which issue it was... [23:45] ya, the 80 column was in there...not sure about the 40 column tho [23:46] so you need to pop the metal cover off to get to it.. [23:46] hang on [23:46] not sure if it was socketed or surface mounted.. [23:46] Ray Carlsen's website might help you diagnose your problem, Caricon. [23:46] I have the top off. [23:46] I see U20, just not 21 [23:46] will likely be close to the tv out region as thats all 40 column in that region [23:47] caricon, i have the schematic if you need it.. [23:47] anyone here use dasm? [23:47] Not me. [23:49] in the 128D, the VIC is inside the metal box that's half covered by the power supply [23:49] thats what i said.. :) [23:50] yup [23:50] the shorter metal box.. not the taller shiny one [23:50] hey pathos, did you ever get that issue with the rs232 worked out? [23:51] ok [23:51] yup [23:51] what did it turn out to be? [23:51] believe it or not, was a blown fuse.. everything else that I know of worked fine.. and even receiving data on rs232 worked ok.. just not sending [23:52] really?? which fuse? [23:52] and of course, I didn't figure that out until after I desoldered the CIA chip (ruining a CIA chip), putting a socket in and putting a new cia in [23:52] the one for the 9VAC I think [23:53] well i had the same symptoms on my 128d... i also replaced both CIA's and socketed them.. [23:53] Caricon, Video should be under the power supply [23:54] found the run mag diagram [23:54] All the sockets on my C128DCR are socketed. :-) [23:54] August 1989 [23:54] I should say chips. [23:54] VICII is right behind the RF plug [23:55] cygnus: pop the top and check the fuse that's closest to the front of the 128D.. check it with a meter and tap on it slightly to make sure it really is or isn't blown [23:55] ok, I have color now. [23:55] ! [23:55] I pressed it down tight. [23:55] Easy fix! [23:55] yeah :) [23:56] none of my 128s worked... was a blown fuse in the PS... grabbed on from spare c64 - slapped in PS - 2 of 3 flat 128s work now [23:56] lol [23:56] read some where the chips work loose but still havent opened mine to see if thats why no sound [23:56] yeah.. there's a wicked nasty cap on there.. you'll not wanna hit that [23:57] sid uses the 9vac line too I believe [23:57] pAth0s: interesting.. i'll take a look.. although i'd think if a fuse was blown there would be some rather obvious other issues.. but not knowing exactly which one yet, i cant say.. gonna go look.. brb [23:58] not if it's the fuse on the 9vac line.. only 2 issues I believe. sound wouldn't work and CIA2 wouldn't work [23:59] 9v ac also supplies the user port [23:59] rs232 adapters need it [23:59] yup [23:59] CIA2 is userport [00:00] on my 128DCR power supply, the fuse is marked F201 [00:00] * anus (~Javauser@ppp169-199.lns1.per1.internode.on.net) has joined #c64friends [00:00] wherr is c64? [00:00] well folks, time for me to call it a nite [00:01] Bye, Snog. [00:01] catch yall next weekend [00:01] niters