[20:52] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:52] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64's - and Q-Link!' [20:52] good timing [20:52] Howdy folks [20:52] :D [20:52] shh! [20:52] hey [20:52] buhahaha [20:52] <_Six_> eee! [20:52] SHHH!!! [20:52] we're logged now!!!1 [20:52] Hi Snog [20:52] * FungusN0S shushes [20:52] * iAN_CooG looks innocent [20:52] bah.. echo -n "w"; for i in `seq 1 999`; do echo -n "e": done [20:52] * Q-Link (~qlink@66.135.38.238) has joined #c64friends [20:52] Entered QRoom: Alan Reed [20:52] :) [20:52] * Moloch farts violently [20:52] * al hides [20:52] logged? [20:52] VanessaD wins! [20:53] * FungusN0S lights a match! [20:53] Slarti!!!! [20:53] so qlink is connected? [20:53] BOOM! [20:53] B O O M [20:53] If you are reading this in the future, you are a complete loser! This means you Rick Balkins! [20:53] <_Six_> Slart?! ! [20:53] baaahahah [20:53] eeey [20:53] lol [20:53] Rick is here [20:53] * dslman2 (polrse@adsl-64-123-63-195.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) has left #c64friends [20:53] he is? eek [20:53] {Alan Reed} Rick is everywhere. [20:53] i dunno, sometimes, i go back and look at the logs [20:53] PHEAR [20:53] echo -n w; while true; do echo -n e; done [20:53] /whois wildstar [20:53] (pay no attention to my typos : [20:53] ey six, have you checked that crest dtv demo? [20:54] what's with the unix commands? [20:54] good to see some other sceners doing something even at this late point with dtv 1 [20:54] o.o; [20:54] haha he pinged out a a few minutes ago [20:54] is the crest demo for pal dtv? [20:54] madcrow: print the word "weeee..." with varying numbers of e's :) [20:54] no [20:54] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [20:54] madcrow - No. [20:54] no [20:54] why would a pal group do an ntsc demo? [20:54] Mine is still longer. [20:54] dtv 1 [20:54] like i said [20:55] <_Six_> Heh. I don't know if he intended that as an actual demo. [20:55] * Slarti rolls eyes [20:55] madcrow: not the 1st time [20:55] ah [20:55] Six - Talked to DeeKay about it... official Crest release. [20:55] I won't get into the contest of who is "longer". :) [20:55] hmm. i'd like to see a demo that actually uses the blitter [20:55] is it an official crossbow release tho [20:55] heh [20:55] Slarti: yeah [20:55] dtv2 demo dev is coming soon [20:55] <_Six_> Wow. [20:55] great to see the crossbow back then [20:56] he cracked space taxi also [20:56] <_Six_> Yeah, he's got his PAL DTV hacked. Won't be long. [20:56] Crossbow has PAL DTV now... and all modded [20:56] he'd better come up with something better than that for dtv2 [20:56] eheh [20:56] sweet [20:56] i wonder why the pal dtv was so much harder to hack [20:56] <_Six_> I've already got my V2 stuff ready to go :) [20:56] active poster on the dtvhacking forums [20:56] dtv v2 was just released around australia at Target!!!! [20:56] w000000 [20:56] it was supposed to have been easier... [20:56] * FungusN0S wants one [20:56] 11!!1!!1oneone [20:56] actually 2 [20:56] :D [20:56] madcrow - it wasn't... Crossbow posted the proper solder points and all is fine now [20:56] Entered QRoom: Snogpitch [20:56] onetwo11one [20:57] i even have a PAL-compatable TV to hook it up to [20:57] we have a qlink bot? [20:57] <_Six_> It's the Hummer game that's hard to hack. [20:57] <_Six_> I can't get IEC on mine. [20:57] {Alan Reed} re Snog [20:57] Still Busy in Q Snog? [20:57] {Snogpitch} Howdy :) [20:57] I want Hummer and Corvette games **** it [20:57] so, can a clueless dork with no soldering skills hack the dtv without breaking it? [20:57] hi alan, snogpitch [20:57] {Alan Reed} 20 people or so on QLink [20:57] Slarti: yup. the qlink bot repeats our conversation in a special qlink room and patchs thru meesage from that room as well [20:57] <_Six_> And the Hummer game is teh only DTV V2 we've got here in the USA right now. [20:57] Slarti - check the dtvforums... lots of Euro gimps doing it. [20:58] Should be fine for an OZ gimp then. [20:58] Six: where sold in usa? [20:58] Would be there but c= doing other stuff [20:58] yeahi checked last night, good to see so much activity now :) [20:58] Radios Shack [20:58] serious? [20:58] yes [20:58] sweet [20:58] dtv2 for me [20:58] rat shack has DTV?? [20:58] what softeare extras did the euro dtv include anyway? i never saw a good list the way there was for v1 [20:58] Radio Shack has Hummer Steering Wheel game [20:58] they took it off the website last time i looked [20:58] which is DTV2 based [20:58] ohhhh [20:58] ok [20:58] <_Six_> It may not be reliably hackable, though. [20:59] darn :/ [20:59] <_Six_> I got keyboard on one of mine, couldn't get IEC going. [20:59] local stores in places still have stock [20:59] where to get dtv2 in usa!!?? [20:59] <_Six_> BUT, it has the user port. [20:59] <_Six_> ANd flash RAM [20:59] DTV V2 at target aussie wide! maaaaad [20:59] they're easy to get online, no? [20:59] that is very cool [20:59] i mean [20:59] thousands of the lil buggers just waiting to be purchased [20:59] Argos UK won't ship outside UK [20:59] on the shelf [20:59] meh. [20:59] next to the other tv games [20:59] * Slarti 's mind boggles [21:00] <_Six_> It should be possible to (with some pokes) make the PAL unit display on an NTSC monitor properly. [21:00] and according to Netherlands freaks... the store they found it at is already out of stock [21:00] i gotta go :( [21:00] * VanessaD looks at her 128 ref guide, open to a page it should never have to be opened to (VIC/SID register maps) [21:00] * madcrow (~madcrow@slip-12-64-108-111.mis.prserv.net) has left #c64friends (Kopete 0.10.3 : http://kopete.kde.org) [21:00] i thought dtv v2 was sposed to have flash ram [21:00] * Moloch points to the toilet [21:00] <_Six_> It does. [21:00] ok then [21:01] and there's actually two radio shack games now? [21:01] I don't think Corvette has shipped yet? [21:01] Six? [21:01] still, good going man :) [21:01] <_Six_> Corvette hasn't been written yet. [21:01] <_Six_> AFAIK [21:01] wow [21:01] maybe there's some future in the dtv v2 for gadgets and toys yet [21:01] It was official announced... ok [21:01] <_Six_> 'course, I may be outta the loop. [21:02] * JLawless (JLawless@dialup-4.228.210.1.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:02] <_Six_> But I kinda doubt being THAT far out. [21:02] VAPORWARE: soon available on c64dtv. on a store near you [21:02] heh [21:02] Howdy JLawless [21:02] So Hummer will run on DTV2, right? no mods needed? [21:02] Heya, Snog ... everyone... [21:03] crackz0r!!1! [21:03] <_Six_> You'd have to reflash it. [21:03] <_Six_> Hummer is BIG. [21:03] hi slarti [21:03] ah, ok [21:03] <_Six_> Though it'd be funny to see someone play a game that had to stop and load 128K at a shot. [21:03] c64 and vaporware go hand in hand traditionally, they should make laws about pollution emissions or something, get some carbon credits from that koyoto thing [21:03] hehe [21:03] <_Six_> from a 1541 [21:03] so can anyone tell me what im doing wrong when I try to connect to qlink? [21:03] <_Six_> :) [21:03] <_Six_> with no fastloader. [21:04] KilrPilr: did you set your rs232? [21:04] DTV Crackz0r Scene!!1! [21:04] its a omnitronix [21:04] Moloch: god no [21:04] buhaha [21:04] not much setting afaik [21:04] Omnitronix deluxe? [21:04] and you got a null modem cable? [21:04] yeah [21:04] durn, now i am going to have to attempt to have time to code for dtv v2 and the gp2x :P [21:04] yep [21:04] is tcpser acknowledging the c= is connected? [21:04] ko [21:04] such a hectic schedule these days, me [21:04] how do i tell? [21:04] set switches to printer and normal if you have the 3 switch setup [21:04] and don't use a null [21:05] should come up with"found a match " after you type atdt 1 [21:05] ya, but before that, you should see an echo of your atdt1 [21:05] * Wildstar (~Wildstar@66-190-248-134.dhcp.astr.or.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [21:06] ^^ [21:06] not at pc end [21:06] dont use a null? [21:06] There you go SlartiGimp [21:06] if you see no echo on the c64 end, then something is not right [21:06] Darn ISB server went down [21:06] I don't use a null [21:06] null is fine i use one always have [21:06] null not needed on the Omnitronix deluxe [21:06] dont know what omni is [21:07] use a 232 i/face [21:07] Hello Slarti [21:07] Omnitronix Deluxe interface is a serial interface for both serial printers and modems [21:07] Left QRoom: Alan Reed [21:07] eek [21:08] * AlanR (AlanR@user-33qt82d.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit [21:08] all the instuctions for mine say is that its for revision E vic 20 [21:08] Alan must have had a disconnect [21:09] <_Six_> Hey, what has 49 legs, 47 eyes, 11 breasts, and 3 teeth? [21:09] Um, [21:09] Waffle House waitresses? [21:10] the state of kentuck? [21:10] y [21:10] but it works well so thats what matters most [21:10] <_Six_> The first 25 people in the door at this event tonight [21:10] what event [21:11] * JLawless (JLawless@dialup-4.228.210.1.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [21:12] * Slarti reading c.s.c [21:12] so mr. randall has done it again eh [21:12] what has he done? [21:12] * usotsuki twitches [21:12] * AlanR (Alan@user-33qt86q.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:12] disappointed someone [21:12] Howdy AlanR [21:12] Alan wb [21:12] Thanks [21:13] Maurice did what ? new ? Anything at all ? [21:13] nope [21:13] this is depressing :( [21:13] I haven't been keeping up with c.s.c [21:13] sent some guy non-working trash or some such [21:13] ah, ok, so Maurice disappointed another. Oh, nothing new [21:13] first time i've checked c.s.c in months [21:14] Ltkernal? [21:14] Which thread is this Slarti ? [21:14] it's the same thing about the guy who hasn't gotten his drive back [21:15] i just noticed it anyways [21:16] Maurice has been a bane name for some time now. Ever since he bought CMD product line and been having trouble. [21:17] heya snog! [21:17] It would be nice to see CMD hardware moving again :/ [21:17] you said it [21:17] i want all kinds of cmd hardware [21:17] doubt i will ever be able to get it though [21:18] wonder if he just had their remaining inventory, and is now out of everything.... [21:18] * _Six_ has been on the SuperCPU waiting list for 3 years now. [21:19] waiting lists are now considered illegal these days in ever growing more states. [21:19] I don't remember how long I've been waiting... [21:19] I remember a time when I could buy a CMD acessory (from CMD) and have it in my hands in a couple of weeks tops :( [21:19] I haven't spoken to anyone who's gotten a SCPU from Maurice ever. [21:19] I saw Maurice build on at one of the expos [21:20] as did I [21:20] To be frank, I'm starting to doubt Maurice even can make a SuperCPU. [21:20] (probably the same expo :) [21:20] Rick: he can. [21:20] Has he EVER made a new SuperCPU ? [21:20] it took most of the day to build [21:20] did you order one rick? [21:21] do you guys think he'll be at another expo? after all the negative publicity [21:21] Not from him but was going to at the time CMD closed the Commodore line [21:21] snog: I never heard the end of that build, did it work when he was done? [21:21] He was at the last LUCKI expo [21:21] I think he donated a SCPU to be raffled didn't he Snog [21:21] VanessaD, the first try, it didn't work. Problem was the CPU chip was installed upside down [21:22] Wifey needs the phone. brb [21:22] Oh yeah! I remember now. [21:22] One thing that might stop SCPU productions is the GAL part. [21:22] * AlanR (Alan@user-33qt86q.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit [21:22] why is that, Rick? [21:22] thought he used a common part [21:22] popped out the chip, put a new one in, and it powered up [21:22] Some of these parts may NO LONGER be produced. [21:22] oh [21:22] and who cares [21:22] waste of time anyway [21:23] Altera produces CPLDs & FPGAs and I don't see GAL chips in their product line [21:23] One of these days, someone might build a new/faster SCPU [21:23] why bother [21:23] there'll be even less active development for it [21:23] I'd love to see a 40-100 Mhz SCPU...with an expansion-like port that runs at full speed. [21:23] CMD wasn't the first [21:24] <_Six_> Yeah, I think emulation is probably the key to that stuff. [21:24] yeah, look at dtv, it is teh stuff [21:24] bah, my PC (not fast anyway) can't even emulate a stock C64 at 100% speed if I turn on anything fancy like higher-quality sound. [21:24] A new CPU accelerator based on a Terbium would be better (when the Terbium is complete) [21:24] can't see anyone stuffing an ol commie and a chunky scpu into a kid's toy [21:24] hah [21:25] Some preliminaries indicated about a 32 Bit address bus. [21:25] Rick: we don't need all that crap. [21:25] keep it simple [21:25] eheh [21:25] yes rick, try not to be a dork [21:25] 8 bit bus, 24-32 bit memory/address bus, reasonable clock speed ( < 100 MHz) [21:25] again, why? [21:25] * golan (~golan@CPE00062575b488-CM0014e8b57aa8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:25] Slarti: because it's fun? [21:26] there won't be any s/w for it [21:26] Howdy golan [21:26] I'm back. Whee. [21:26] 4 GB memory sure beats 16 MB. New memory modules beat those older and Terbium is basically an enhanced 65c816 with a 32 Bit address bus. [21:26] slarti:to waste more time on a cool hw without knowing what to do with it [21:26] sure there would be.. [21:26] 4gb of memory on a c64 [21:26] baahahahh [21:26] oh yeh, so much point in that [21:26] start learning 6502/10 asm then think about other stuff. kthx [21:26] That where the rayal right come in on the Super CPU. Mark ror the Jiffydos and Charle`s the COP/ [21:26] Horrible connectivity. I might have to find myself an open wireless network to 'borrow'. [21:26] "look what my c64 can do now! "your what?" [21:27] well, I never said 4GB memory...just 32 bit address bus...32-64MB wouldn't be unreasonable. 4GB? who needs that much anyway? [21:27] Someone had said baahahaha about 16 MB [21:27] yeah, i say it about 16mb also [21:27] here - 16mb? baaahahahahah [21:27] Charle`s the SCPU [21:27] I mentioned maxium specs VanessaD. Of course you can plug 64 MB [21:27] not the same [21:28] should be "16mb baahahaha" [21:28] oh yes, thankyou [21:28] * VanessaD shrugs [21:28] * iAN_CooG scratches head [21:28] mine had 16MB, plus another 16MB in the Ramlink, and it was nice to have. [21:28] I always hate the "whats the point" or the "why waste your time", it is usually because we enjoy doing it, just like usos color pet emulator. not practical, but an exercise in fun! [21:28] at least who coded it had fun, yeah [21:29] 32 Bit memory addressing is what Terbium (65T32) provides. [21:29] 16 Bit Data [21:29] He have pay 2 royal right on the Super CPU [21:29] hey, i'm as entitled to my opinion of leave the c64 the way it is and what's the point of this crap, as you are to waste your time and money on it [21:30] * iAN_CooG nods [21:30] The same statement is - WHY use c64 'hardware'. [21:30] Use emulator [21:30] that's a question [21:30] not a statement [21:30] it's all good, ppl [21:30] and you're the one arguing for expanding c64 h/w [21:30] emulators are never as good. [21:30] doofues [21:30] question & statement [21:30] doooofus even [21:30] no it was a question [21:30] more than enough to do everything, vanessa [21:31] WS F the Emulator*** [21:31] use emulator isnt even a sentence [21:31] not everything, Ian [21:31] complete sentences on IRC? WHERE?! [21:31] * iAN_CooG pickles nose [21:31] Use the emulator. [21:31] yeah [21:31] no, emulators can't be used as paper weights [21:31] Now it is. [21:31] Emulators may be able to run everything, but they aren't quite the same thing. [21:31] IT'S ALL GOOD PPL :) [21:31] Emulators don't run everything. [21:31] shush al, we is having fun [21:31] true, but in a forum where people like the stuff, why post your negativity towards other peoples hobby? I dont go to the britney spears channel and tell them shes not really a MUSICAL ARTIST [21:32] because my hobby is not using that crap [21:32] so there [21:32] they already know that about Britney [21:32] Britney's first album was fine. After that she turned into a ho [21:32] VICE is nice to have and all, but you need *real* hardware to see how your program will truely look and act. Plus you can't properly support *and test that support* for components the emulator doesn't cov er. [21:32] uso: come on.... [21:32] I quite like emulating the 64. Wherever I am I can whip out my iBook and start programming or gaming or whatever. When I was 'tied' to using actual Commmodore hardware I spent much less time doing those things. [21:33] I'd like to be able to build my custom PET design [21:33] yeah, commodore hardward and bondage don't mix [21:33] into a real computer [21:33] Vice is great for quick checking new releases, reading new magazine downloads, crossdev testing, etc. [21:33] hardware dammit typos [21:33] golan: same here [21:33] * usotsuki mews [21:33] To make a better CPU accelerator for C64 - use the Terbium. There is NO point in making cpu accelerators unless it is about expanding. If you don't want expansions then you don't have to buy them. [21:34] Rick: says who? [21:34] There is no point for an accelerator. [21:34] I sold my SX-64 at the last WoC but even when I had it, it wasn't practical to haul around. My notebook goes everywhere with me and as a result, so does a 64. [21:34] an accellerator is supposed to *accellerate* [21:34] leave him alone, vanessa, he likes to speak to himself [21:34] what about a 6 MHz 65C02? [21:34] that would be an accelerator [21:34] I haul my SX64 to almost every user group meeting [21:34] but wouldn't up the RAM or anything [21:34] if accellerators had no purpose, PC's wouldn't have evolved beyond 4.77MHz XT [21:34] expand can mean - expand in capabilities [21:35] Between Power64 (an OS X emulator), VICE and Frodo I've pretty much got everything covered. Very few programs won't run. [21:35] At what point is a C= not a C=? [21:35] Whatever. [21:35] expand *your* capabilities first [21:35] then think about the cpu [21:35] it's just that with a Commodore the market is so small I guess... [21:35] At what point is C= not C= when you use Intel processors [21:35] There is no point for an accelerator for C64. (Let me clear that up) [21:35] word [21:36] ian: baaahahahahhhahahhahahahah ah [21:36] excel [21:36] I don't consider the 4040 a C= even though it is almost 100% compatible with a certain C= model and runs C= BASIC [21:36] well put that [21:36] depends on how you use your 64, too. [21:36] because I modified the hardware so heavily [21:36] Plus my emulated 64 loads faster than a 64 with JiffyDOS and I have all the advantages that products like IDE64 offer. [21:36] There is no point to upgrade a C64 if noone is willing to pay money to upgrade it. [21:36] we need a wildstar expander [21:36] Same is said for Amiga... no custom chipset? Not an Amiga. OMG!! [21:36] eheheh [21:36] buhaha [21:36] new amiga is a pile of stinking camel poo [21:36] There is no Amiga [21:36] * iAN_CooG hands Slarti a 1kb ram chip [21:37] Sure, if I stuck an ARM or x86 or some other processor in a C64, it would cease to be a C64. [21:37] more? [21:37] amiga zealots of the old school would puke back then if you told them by now amiga would be a power pc :P [21:37] yuk [21:37] I suspect though that the 4040's display could be provided by a 6845 (of which the Fat 40's 6545 is a clone) and glue logic [21:37] I'm one of those "old school amiga zealots"... but times change and time to wake up. [21:37] Um, when you replace the video, cpu & sound chip and I/O chips - then it is no longer the same computer. [21:37] Amiga is dead. [21:37] yeah it is [21:37] VanessaD: It ceases to be a C64 too when you stick a 16-bit 6502 derivative in it too, it's just that old C= fans feel less scared with thot chip, than a PPC or x86. [21:37] and that powerpc thing aint an amiga [21:37] When you replace the motherboard. Then it is no longer a C= [21:38] does it run C64 programs at the hardware level? Is that it's primary purpose? Is it made by Commodore, or Jeri E. or someone similar? Then it's a C64. [21:38] oh, i didn't even know that she was ill :( [21:38] it's vapourware made solid [21:38] That Amiga is also dead... [21:38] nono, what's worse [21:38] My design is fully 3032/4032-compatible, but it's not a 3032/4032. [21:38] c=1 [21:38] hah [21:38] CPU accelerators are slaves - not self executing computers. [21:38] oh no [21:38] w* rant time [21:38] *whip* [21:38] *whip* [21:38] Rick, SCPu isn't a slave, with a few minor tweaks it could run on it's own. [21:38] I had slaves a long time ago... card slaves, spreading slaves, hacking slaves... loved the scene back then. [21:39] any moment now it will be all AI, VR and computers stuck on your forehead or some such [21:39] heh [21:39] i am too!!1 [21:39] I think something is equal to a 64 if it can execute code written for a 64. [21:39] Yes, - you can make a 1541 its own self running computer. [21:39] (not literally of course) [21:39] overkiller's and jazzcat slave!!1 [21:39] Something is equal to a 64 if and only if it uses the same chipset as a 64. [21:39] eheh [21:39] poor ian [21:39] golan: if it's done entirely in hardware (or maybe CPLDs/firmware like C=1) sure, it's a C64. [21:39] ;D [21:39] Yes, the good loaders use 1541 CPU I believe [21:39] 64 is a number [21:39] wow [21:39] Wildstar is a dork? [21:40] Its Commodore C-64 [21:40] !! [21:40] w* starts to think!!1 [21:40] I don't think an emulator is a 64 because, well, it's an emulator. If it's hardware, it's a 64. [21:40] $dead is a number [21:40] lda $dead [21:40] world ends now. thx for playing. bye [21:40] golan: exactly. [21:40] sta wildstar [21:40] Ah, it isn't a "Commodore 64" -- only Commodore made those. [21:40]