[20:58] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:58] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64s!!' [20:58] Howdy folks [20:58] HI Snog! [20:58] Here's the man in charge of #c64 friends [21:00] Anyone in here live near or around the hurricane Katrina area? [21:00] ChrisRyan: I thought it was "creative", not "criminal"... [21:00] I would imagine anyone living in the area would not have i-net access yet [21:01] or somewhat distant from it or around a nearby state from Louisiana [21:01] the only seriously affected places that can get online without heroic effort would be in south Florida, when Katrina was only Category 1. [21:01] well, Ohio did get visited by the tropical storm Katrina, if that counts [21:01] Remember Loadstar and Shreveport, LA? I wonder how that city is doing? [21:01] Shreveport is fine. [21:02] it's not near the coast. [21:02] Fender was also in Chicago at that time [21:02] oh, okay [21:02] New Orleans is still underwater. Biloxi is basically destroyed. Waveland, MS is gone. Mobile, Alabama was seriously damaged. [21:03] Now, for real, PhotoJim, did you really think the "C" in CSC meant "creative" sexual conduct? [21:03] No, but I liked the connotation better. :) [21:03] oh, just wondered. [21:03] wouldn't better be condoned? [21:04] Sorry to hear about the hurriance problems. I hope the people are coping well as things get under way and back to normal in some way. [21:04] If I had millions of dollars, I'd love to donate and help. [21:05] it'll be years before it gets back to what might be considered normal [21:05] yeah. Wow! An actual state in an entire flood. Yikes! [21:05] The water must run off somewhere, otherwise it would leak into other cities or states. [21:06] The closest thing we have had here, was only 6 inches inside my workplace [21:06] every forty years, they're going to get a big hurricane. it's the reality of living in a semitropical area on the coast. [21:06] neighbors here had a foot and 1/2 water in downstairs apts [21:06] Chris, the general topography is toward the coast. that's why the oceans are where they are. :) [21:06] and that was when Andrew came thru Ohio [21:06] i see [21:06] * CurtisP (MrHorrible@cpe-24-166-34-87.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:07] Hi CurtisP [21:07] Howdy CurtisP [21:07] hey [21:07] the novelty of qlink is wearing off [21:07] Is this Cowboy Curtis from Pee-Wee's Playhouse? [21:07] Well shucks Miss Evonne it sure isn't [21:07] lol [21:07] lol [21:08] Why won't L O L show up in lowercase here? [21:08] though I do have some Toe mirrors for when Miss Evonne comes over [21:08] lol [21:08] * JLawless (JLawless@dialup-4.228.198.113.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:08] it shows for me [21:08] what client you using? [21:08] newnet [21:08] the java client? [21:08] yes [21:08] * Fuzz-PSW (~Fuzz-PSW@205.211.50.54) has joined #c64friends [21:09] it's probably trying to do an emoticon conversion [21:09] Howdy JLawless and Fuzz-PSW [21:09] I have no other way to run and use this room [21:09] hi everyone [21:09] Hi Chris, everyone... [21:09] HI Fuzz [21:09] HI JLawless [21:09] brb [21:09] there are lots of ways to get here, depends on what you are running [21:09] Anyone miss me? I haven't been in here in weeks, even months now [21:09] i've never seen you in here [21:10] I've been taking a break [21:10] Nice to meet you CurtisP [21:10] i haint even seen ya on usenet laterly [21:10] I don't have Usenet [21:10] subscribe to Google [21:10] You used to post on comp.sys.cbm ... [21:11] Evening gents [21:11] Howdy QGUIDE_ob [21:11] * QGUIDE_ob is now known as Oldbit [21:11] back. [21:12] I was gonna ask if that was your new irc handle [21:12] I am a member of Google so I am a member to post on CSC. There is this other type of Commodore user-to-user but hardly ever gets used, it's called Delphi. [21:12] HI Oldbit [21:12] Nah, just thought people should know who I am.. [21:12] I guess Delphi isn't popular with Commodore anymore? [21:12] can't use a C= on Delphi anymore [21:12] Hey Chris [21:13] OldBit, any new news on the keyboard layout? [21:13] The modified keyboards? [21:13] yes [21:13] I think it's been nearly 4 years or has it been 5 since Delphi dropped text access? [21:13] DeplhiForums? [21:14] so we can use the PC boards with Commodore keycaps on them. [21:14] CR: Set that aside for the moment, too expensive. working on this solution http://www.petscii.com/petscii.zip [21:14] what's that? [21:15] an url [21:15] hehe [21:15] :) [21:15] It's a set of do-it-yourself keyboard overlays for the petscii symbols. [21:15] you can also use this a quick reference guide [21:15] http://www.neoventures.org/retroCOMPUTE/CommodoreKeyboard.gif [21:15] oh [21:16] Working on a "demo" keyboard for SWRAP. You guys already saw the function keys. :) [21:17] lucky us :) [21:17] * RobinH (~macbeth@dynamic-216-26-210-251.tbaytel.net) has joined #c64friends [21:17] Howdy RobinH [21:17] Hey robin! [21:17] macbeth [21:17] Heya all :) [21:18] Hey Al? Have you tried any projects with hacking a VIC-20 or adapting it into a hardware project? [21:18] btw, Oldbit, did you see the q-link overlay on my website [21:18] nope [21:18] no, URL? [21:18] I posted it on Homestead a few days back [21:19] Maybe put a C-64 board and a VIC-20 board in a 128-D case. The power supply would definitely have to be on the outside of the unit, though. [21:19] http://pages.prodigy.net/snogpitch/overlay.jpg [21:19] or a 64-C board since it's smaller than the C-64 boards [21:19] LOL! that was the one I used for my graphic! Couldn't tell whos it was... :) I'll have to post some credit for the scan.. [21:19] Hey Robin [21:19] I've got it in higher resolution if ya want that [21:20] i thought about putting a Vic-20 in a Compag Portable case [21:20] Dustin :) Still not going to Chicago? [21:20] I didn't want to get my bandwidth sucked too much people looking at it [21:20] Maybe combine a Commodore 16 board and a Plus/4 board into a 128-D case. [21:20] snog: Have a the original q-link (white and blue) overlay.. Gotta find a scanner.. [21:21] PS1 LCD screens are perfect for portable 8-bit projects [21:21] hi Fuzz-PSW [21:21] Robin: No, I dont think so! :( I would like to though [21:21] it's not cheap either :P [21:21] Hey Ian [21:21] Fuzz: you could still car-pool [21:21] I've got a few different overlays, just haven't found them all yet [21:21] then have a switch to use the keyboard for C-16 or Plus/4 use. [21:21] wife so awesome, brings my food off the grill, and starts favorite movie.. :) [21:22] I scanned that one in, because I know it's in the best condition of all of them [21:22] I wish I had a wife. [21:22] since the 128 and 64 versions are still together [21:22] Robin: yeah I thought of that but I would have to leave friday night after work.. I'd get there after the expo! :( [21:22] I soooo hate being single. Tired of being lonely. I am 31. [21:22] Sorry Chris..... :( [21:22] oo-k [21:22] There are days................ [21:23] Chris: A plus/4 is pretty much just a superset of a C-16, I don't see any real reason to have both of those in one case [21:23] * JLawless (JLawless@dialup-4.228.198.113.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [21:23] I don't see that one guy who usually picks on me in here. [21:23] Where is slarti tonight? [21:23] Yep! [21:23] if you want i can substitute him *g* [21:23] That's the guy! [21:23] haven't seen slarti around in a while.. [21:23] SlartiO [21:23] There's only one slarti... [21:24] He's in aussy land isn't he? Not in N.O. I hope [21:24] Yep [21:24] Yup, Oz. [21:25] Busy with RL and his other sites [21:26] * CurtisP busts some Napolean Dynamite moves to the Hampster Dance extended mix [21:26] * Oldbit feels so 80's tonight... "Last Starfight on the TV, Qlink on the 64..." [21:26] I'd say that after Loadstar calls it quits we will only have the Commodore Mailink publication left as a big supporter. [21:27] Loadstar calling it quits...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [21:27] brb [21:27] what's Mailink? [21:27] The Mailink needs more people and new people to be editors. [21:27] Oldbit, I know Loadstar will eventually end sometime. [21:28] all good things must end, yes? [21:28] CurtisP, Commodore Mailink is a paper or an on-disk publication full of articles, tech support, programming and more. [21:28] never heard of it [21:28] It's been around since the late 1980s [21:28] 1987 I think, not sure when it debuted [21:28] Spock came back from the dead, Qlink has reloaded! Will not hear of it! Loadstar will live forever.. :) [21:28] not well publicized then? [21:29] I didn't become a regular subscriber to Mailink until the mid 1990s [21:29] CR: send me a sample of your maillink work, better yet publish a sample online... You have website ability? [21:30] I don't have a website, nor even how to create a website. [21:30] I never did work for Mailink, maybe submitted an article or two, or a For Sale ad [21:31] If you send me an email, I can help... Website creation is easy now.. [21:31] Oldbit, I'm gonna get that proggie [21:32] worth the $50 [21:32] what's your e-mail, OldBit? you can private message me if you don't want to expose it publicly [21:32] al: you've seen what I've done with it.. http://quantum-link.org took only a 30mins to produce. [21:32] I still need to learn Star Commander and convert my collection and my Commodore Gazette stuff to D64/D81 format. [21:32] Yes [21:33] CR: I don [21:33] CR: I don't care if this group sees my addy.. jeff@jer333.com [21:33] is that a small J after the @ sign? [21:34] all lowercase [21:34] what kind of e-mail doman is jer333 ? [21:35] OldBit, perhaps to get things started, I'd like to share all of my JPEG images of magazine covers to share [21:36] Oldbit, do you want me to send ya some Q stuff I've scanned in? [21:36] ZIP them and email.. I'll start by giving you some room in the mirror [21:37] snog: Yes! I'll post them in http://mirror.petscii.com/qlink [21:37] It'd be a lot of work but I wish I can scan the Compute! Gazette magazines to MS Word format for people to read. [21:37] even many of the other magazines I have [21:37] back. [21:37] Think the total images are 5mb or so [21:38] fire away... [21:38] I scanned in a Qlink System Map poster [21:38] made that a pdf and a jpg [21:38] exxxlleeeeeentt... [21:39] Anyone have any extra Compute! magazines they don't want. Actually I need the May 1989 NON-Gazette edition of Compute! [21:39] <_brain_> What did I miss? [21:40] * Oldbit won't shut up... [21:41] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-25-186-132.wi.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:41] Also seeking..... [21:42] Compute! magazine premiere issue (#1), #3 to #6 (March to October 1980 issues) [21:44] Good News: I think I've worked out a connection kit for people who want to connect to Qlink with their 64/128. [21:45] Oldbit, getting the email to ya right now [21:45] I've heard little about Q-Link, but not familiar with its use. [21:45] Oldbit, that's sweet! [21:45] CR: http://www.quantum-link.org [21:46] built and tested successfully with a simple 7404 adapter cable.. worked perfectly! [21:47] Anyone feel like soldering? http://mirror.petscii.com/qlink/7404.jpg [21:47] <_Six_> ack [21:48] <_Six_> anyone maybe working on demos for swrap? [21:48] not me :( [21:48] * Oldbit bringing simple stuff.. cool, but not really demo stuff. [21:48] gonna take a bit for that email, Oldbit, it's 13mb! [21:48] <_brain_> You should order a bunch of parts for us to pick together at SWRAP [21:49] snog: hope my mailserver accepts it. [21:49] well, if not, the largest single file is I think 4mb [21:50] If you send that one seperate it has a better chance.. [21:50] I could put it on my yahoo briefcase [21:50] ack [21:50] <_Six_> STYLE is going to be releasing an NTSC DTV demo at SWRAP [21:50] cool! [21:51] Yahoo vs. MSN, who likes what better? I like Yahoo better. [21:51] * Oldbit prefers Qlink [21:51] can't judge since I don't use MSN [21:51] Yahoo. [21:51] i prefer IRC [21:51] I don't think IRC and Qlink were on the list. ;) [21:51] you can't answer beer if the question is tea or coffee. ;) [21:51] I know [21:52] BEER! [21:52] yes, I can... hehe [21:52] BEER! [21:52] <_Six_> BEER! [21:52] * iAN_CooG highfives oldbit and six [21:52] that's inclusive in the multiple choice item, "none of the above" [21:52] <_Six_> in fact, BEER BONG! [21:53] when it comes to MSN and YAHOO... [21:53] none [21:53] I know I've gotten links to MSN sites that I couldn't get to [21:53] had to be special in some way [21:53] yahoo has those too, in all fairness [21:54] yeah, and certain links I clicked from MSN messages, I would get some kind of error. [21:54] or some "page not found"-like errors. [21:54] Never had problems with Yahoo [21:54] <_Six_> google is the master of all search engines... google "http:*:*@ftp" sometime ;) [21:54] www.google.com/microsoft [21:54] *grin* [21:55] Any leet C= hackers in the house tonight? [21:55] <_Six_> or "ftp:*:*@" [21:55] Yeah, the Detroit Tigers finally won after 9 straight losses!!! [21:55] * Oldbit waits for someone to take the bait [21:55] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-25-186-132.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:55] * ChanServ sets mode: +o dracosilv [21:55] farging computer crashed.. [21:56] re dracosilv [21:56] hallo oldbit [21:56] Oldbit, email went, now to see if it bounces... [21:56] did someone im me right before i dropped out? [21:56] * ChrisRyan dances nude!! wooo hooo! [21:56] eeek! [21:56] naw, I don't think so. [21:57] my eyes!!!!!!!!!! [21:57] Just happy that the TIgers won. [21:57] I' [21:57] I'm not THAT way at all. [21:57] What baseball team do you like? ANyone? [21:57] when you do the happy dance like that.. TURN THE WEBCAM OFF! hehehe [21:57] I don't even have a webcam. [21:58] who is Oldbit watching then? [21:58] OldBit, what's your hometown baseball teeam? [21:58] <- Blue Jays please. [21:58] <_Six_> The goggles, they do nothing! [21:58] * Oldbit too geek for baseball.. Orrville Red Riders [21:58] Cool, PhotoJim. [21:59] They're 0-3 when I am in the stadium though. good thing I live a 3-hour flight away. [21:59] Snog, what's your team? [21:59] none [21:59] I see MattD is in here, what's your team? [21:59] * Oldbit used to live in the town of The 'Socks... ;( [21:59] Pelleas? [21:59] RobinH? [21:59] Talus? [21:59] White_Fla? [21:59] _Six_? [21:59] Al? [22:00] bhz? [22:00] <_Six_> What? [22:00] blakespot? [22:00] yup.. Fort Myers, their winter home [22:00] HI Six! What's your baseball team? [22:00] and you, blakespot? [22:00] * Oldbit lives in hicksville now... [22:00] <_Six_> baseball? I dunno. the bengals or something. [22:00] yes, Chris [22:01] What hometown baseball team is in your area Al? [22:01] I don't follow sports [22:01] what's your point ChrisRyan? [22:01] Want to talk about something else for the moment [22:02] I'll be leaving shortly. It's 10 PM here. What time is it for everyone else here? [22:02] 8 pm... [22:02] anyone here NOT in the USA or Canada? [22:02] snog: didn't make it.. :( [22:02] Central time, but we don't go on daylight time. [22:02] seems a shame to pay a guy millions of dollars to hit a ball with a stick; and pay our school teachers 35K a year [22:02] I wonder what's going on about the possible new Savings Time change? [22:02] AMEN! [22:03] is it going to happen or not? [22:03] SMUT! [22:03] GIVE ME SMUT AND NOTHING BUT! [22:03] I haven't heard of anything new about it. [22:03] one of my favorite SID singalongs [22:03] The time change law has something to do with energy savings. [22:03] Nick Slenski (sp!) toon.. wasn [22:03] yeah but teachers can't hit a ball that good [22:03] 't tha? [22:03] al, supply and demand. lots of people are reasonable at teaching. almost nobody can hit a ball with a stick. [22:04] we could pay teachers $15 million, if we were willing to pay $20,000 in school tax annually. [22:04] * Oldbit very blind, can't hit stick with ball... [22:04] hitting balls with a stick is useful? [22:04] it is? [22:04] hah [22:04] it has nothing to do with usefulness. it has to do with what people will pay for what. [22:04] also kicking with foot etc [22:04] we don't need plasma tvs, and yet we have them. [22:04] crap [22:04] In October we'll be putting our clocks back one hour. [22:05] teachers are useful. [22:05] PhotoJim, I understand market forces, it's just where we choose to put our money as a socity I'm talking about [22:05] yes. [22:05] but the supposed-to-be-approved law would change it to 3 weeks later or sooner, don't recall which [22:05] iAN_CooG: how much will you pay in school tax? [22:05] * Oldbit quit teaching because the money wasn't enough to live on.. [22:05] al: absolutely. [22:05] We pay teachers alright here in Canada. [22:06] Who has a Commodore in a high school in their town or state? [22:06] school is free in italy, at least i have never heard about ppl not going to school because they're poor [22:06] * Oldbit kept one in his classroom... CET lab [22:06] oldbit, it hasn't bounced, yet [22:06] university can be expensive btw [22:06] snog [22:06] not much but something have to be paid there [22:07] iAN_CooG: school isn't free. it is paid for out of taxes. [22:07] if it were free, teachers would have to volunteer. [22:08] i mean: don't have to pay to go to school. taxes are paid anyway [22:08] PhotoJim, why do we prize hitting a ball with a stick so much more that being a school teachet? [22:08] Good night everyone! I might be back next week, not sure. [22:08] later Chris [22:08] al: because it's entertaining! [22:08] Bye Al [22:08] al: we don't prize it more. but there are lots of people who get education degrees, millions of them. only a few hundred people can hit a baseball well. [22:08] At least ONE night without SlartiO getting on my case. [22:08] al: why are bananas cheap, but diamonds are expensive? same thing. bananas are more useful than diamonds. [22:09] brb.. gotta fix a dvd player for my kid, disc lodged inside somewhere. [22:09] * ChrisRyan (~Javauser@adsl-68-74-15-113.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:09] maybe I should buy a banana ring then? [22:10] it'd be cheaper. :) [22:10] the price of something is only partly about how useful it is. it is also about how rare it is. [22:11] Commodores are useful but not rare. Hence cheap. Diamonds are useful and rare. Hence expensive. Bananas are useful but plentiful. Hence cheap. [22:11] or how rare its artificially kept [22:11] in some cases, but not in this case. [22:11] diamonds would be expensive whether or not deBeers existed. they are very rare. they are prized. [22:12] nobody has to pay the price, yet people do. that proves the demand. [22:12] :| [22:12] http://www.neoventures.org/HypnoPug/ [22:12] teachers don't get paid much because no one wants to pay half their salary to pay to operate schools. [22:12] <_Six_> diamonds are about as rare as flint. [22:12] they would be a lot less expensive without deBeers [22:12] If you say so. [22:12] CurtisP: Yes, they would be, but they would still be expensive. [22:12] Sup folks? [22:13] We're debating basic economics. Why teachers get paid less than home run hitters. [22:13] the only reason sports stars get so much money is cuz so many idiots will pay $90 to see a game [22:13] Because teachers can't spit and scratch themselves in public [22:13] Pelleas 'sup? [22:13] Hey Al [22:13] CurtisP: agreed [22:14] * Oldbit sends a school desk hurling at pelleas [22:14] paying people based on their social worth wouldn't work [22:14] and an applause to the word "idiots" [22:14] * Pelleas ducks [22:14] Hey Jeff [22:14] communism: been tried, failed [22:14] * Oldbit taught highschool for five years... [22:14] did you scratch yourself in front of the class? [22:14] hehe [22:15] Curtis, and we won't pay $20,000 for education tax to pay teachers big money. simple economics. [22:15] food, bbiab [22:15] so how was/is SWRAP? [22:15] when is SWRAP? [22:15] thought it was this weekend wasn't it? [22:15] oh wait [22:15] it's next [22:16] sorry, kinda been out of touch past 2 weeks [22:16] i doubt I'll be going [22:16] Al, thank you VERY much for the HD manual! [22:16] my pleasure, a good deed returned [22:16] I was going, but I won't be able to now, back for a couple of days then heading back out to LA [22:19] Al I am gonna try and finish the box up tomorrow :) [22:19] while watching my opening day games of course [22:19] great [22:19] let me know... [22:19] I think the bracket I made for the dvd will work [22:20] we will see :/ [22:20] I have faith in you [22:20] <_brain_> P, you still can"t come? [22:20] doubt it man [22:20] <_brain_> bummer [22:20] I am heading back out on tues [22:20] then coming back and getting ready to go to MS [22:20] it's a freakin disaster area [22:21] like nothing I have ever had to deal with [22:21] brb smoke [22:21] * Oldbit returns dvd player put back together again.. cheap piece of crap... [22:22] snog [22:22] snog: bounce? [22:23] pelleas, you will be missed! [22:24] let me look.. [22:25] hasn't bounced, yet [22:25] maybe an email that big won't bounce? [22:25] must have gotten sucked away.. alternatives? [22:26] let me try a text email see how long it gets there [22:26] k [22:26] could it be flagged as spam? [22:26] nah [22:26] * Oldbit gets spam [22:27] those pills don't work.... [22:27] back [22:27] hehe [22:27] I know my server puts stuff in a spam box, and I look thru it once in a while [22:27] got the test [22:27] It puts legit mail in there [22:27] hmmm, [22:27] Jim, how's QLink going? [22:28] ok, probably got rejected then... [22:28] How small can you break it down? [22:28] <_brain_> Going pretty well. [22:28] <_brain_> dev code has auditoirum code working [22:29] <_brain_> better, and restart game now works [22:29] thought you had beaten that one already Jim [22:29] <_brain_> Which one, restart? [22:29] well, two of them are under a mb each [22:29] brb [22:29] auditorium [22:29] <_brain_> It worked, but I add the command to spit out the intro text [22:30] nice [22:30] <_brain_> And, when someone asks a qyuestion now, it OLMs the admin in the room [22:30] <_brain_> the text [22:30] <_brain_> I also implemented the code to re-write the question to fit the 29 char size of the window [22:30] cool, do OLMs stack? [22:31] <_brain_> Yes [22:31] no lost questions... cool [22:31] <_brain_> And cleaned up AcceptQuestions/RejectQuestions code [22:31] <_brain_> mainly cleanup [22:31] man that's awesome, great job [22:31] brb [22:32] <_brain_> And, as before, games work. [22:35] brain: thx for your answer on the kit, that's what I was thinking as well.. [22:35] <_brain_> np [22:35] <_brain_> kinda slow in here [22:36] Qlink killing #c64friends tonight? [22:36] <_brain_> no, slow in there too [22:37] Don't think I have been in Qlink all week [22:37] bb [22:37] been busy with other stuff going on [22:37] <_brain_> It has been hopping earlier in the week [22:37] <_brain_> but, tonight is slow for everyone. [22:37] <_brain_> Now sure what is up. [22:38] * al is now known as al_ZZZzzz [22:38] later people [22:38]