[21:00] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:00] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C-64s' [21:00] Slarti[O]: yeah, but it's not a c64, so i care little [21:00] Howdy all [21:00] Hello Snog! [21:00] Hi, Snog. [21:00] like [21:00] okay [21:00] here's the thing: [21:00] Hello Snog [21:00] Snoggy! [21:00] Hey, Snog. [21:00] neither would a c64 be with a new vic chip :P [21:00] if i make a dtv only game [21:00] about five people are gonna play it [21:00] I make six [21:00] you might be able to sell it to Ironstone if things pan out [21:00] alih: same deal with a C64 with a different video chip [21:00] hey Snog [21:00] Slarti[O]: i wasn't the one suggesting a new vic - just complaining about the old one :) [21:00] * JavaUser (~Javauser@adsl-67-38-30-211.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) has joined #c64friends [21:00] RobinH: see my comment to slarti [21:01] * JavaUser is now known as ChrisRyan [21:01] Howdy ChrisRyan [21:01] The CPC can moves the start of bitmap RAM, it's a bit limited on what it can do horizontally (can only step two bytes) but vertically it can scroll a pixel a frame. [21:01] Hi, Chris. [21:01] Hi snogpitch [21:01] Hello chrisRyan. [21:01] Hey Chris [21:01] hi robertb [21:01] see [21:01] hi oldbit [21:01] i've been trying to code this shooter [21:01] and i want to use bobs for the bullets [21:01] Alih: a drop in replacement for the Vic chip would leave you in the same position, how many people would actually buy such a thing I wonder? [21:01] i originally did this in char mode, which was nasty [21:01] I'll buy a DTV game. [21:01] madmax: goddamnit, does no-one listen to who says what? again, it wasn't me suggesting a new vic [21:01] Jeri originally started doing a VIC chip replacement years ago... [21:01] alih: dtv has bobs [21:01] hehe [21:02] yeah [21:02] so i tried bitmap mode [21:02] Oldbit, how's the keycap situation going? [21:02] but a linecrunched v-scrolling shooter doens't have enough v-screen [21:02] by the time you replace the VIC, you've replaced a good chunk of the 64 [21:02] When the PAL DTV comes out, it will have less restrictions in its native video mode. [21:02] alih: sorry yeah, that was oldbit [21:02] * Oldbit needs to find a PAL compatible tuner.. [21:03] alih: how about using an REU to do the screen scroll? WinVICE emulates it close to perfect, CCS isn't bad either and there are a lot more units around than any other hardware? [21:03] yeah, I'm always causing trouble. :) [21:03] so i tried soft scrolling the screen, but that took 100% of the CPU (it _worked_, it was just slow) [21:03] hehe [21:03] like [21:03] if i slowed the background down to 0.5pix/50th, it would be reasonable [21:03] which, i mean, you could do, right [21:03] alih: so you're saying you've come up with a game concept that doesn't suit the C64? :) [21:03] No need, Jeff L.. You'll be able to switch the PAL DTV to NTSC. [21:03] but i really want 2 pixels/50th [21:03] alih: might as well code Doom! [21:03] Check out my ebay items, some Commodore-related stuff and others [21:04] I am commodore_collector on ebay [21:04] RobinH: sure, but that applies to turrican as well :) [21:04] url? [21:04] hey, can I advertise my C= stuff too? :) [21:04] What Doom ???? *lol* [21:04] Sure, Dave R. [21:04] brb [21:04] RobinH: i'm fully aware that what i wish to do might be unrealistic - but i'm playing with it anyhow, and if it doesn't work, i have an alternate design which doens't require it [21:05] RobinH: i just don't want to do the same crap that everyone else has done, you know, want to try and make something different [21:05] Hey, RobertB, any luck on those Commodore Collection disks? [21:05] Does anyone know when the PAL DTV will be available? [21:05] alih: respect [21:05] madmax: it's being manufactured now [21:05] should be ready in about a month [21:05] * alih is looking forward to getting his hands on the pal dtv :) [21:05] * TMR_C0S doesn't mind the same old crap, as long as we're not talking "crap" as in Bayliss... [21:05] robinh: great, thanks for the info [21:05] No, Chris, but I can look tomorrow, now that I am near the storage house. [21:05] * Oldbit invites more SX abuse. bbs.petscii.com port:6502 use a CGterm [21:06] What - someone coding Doom ? [21:06] That's good. Thanks Robert. [21:06] Never done an innovative game in me life, but hopefully what i have done are playable. [21:06] pal dtv is awesome [21:06] it's out?????? [21:06] you will not believe what it can do ;) [21:06] Not yet, Jeff L. [21:06] tmr: honestly, playable wins every time [21:06] So, what is SX abuse? [21:06] june apparently [21:06] tease! [21:06] wild*: yeah i'm coding doom.. I am up to line 30, just kinda stuck with where to go next after the first two REM statements ;) [21:06] nope, it's being manufactured now :) [21:06] lol [21:07] hrm [21:07] is that 23-25% done then madmax? [21:07] Snog: testing my LUCKI demo, my SX is online in basic [21:07] ehe [21:07] anyone know if it's gonna be on sale in australia at all? [21:07] They're just joking, Snog. [21:07] i agree alih, have played some dire looking, totally unoriginal games but they were playable as hell... [21:07] hehe [21:07] yeah it is alih [21:07] Actually, I don't have any C= stuff up at the moment. Just some PC & Apple //GS stuff and an anime DVD. :) [21:07] probably get more of my time if something's kind of unique, but kind of crap, then something that's just *too* done [21:07] word [21:07] not sure where exactly [21:07] Don't know, alih. [21:07] excel [21:07] My June/July issue of Commodore Gazette will be out towards the end of the month [21:07] Well RobinH, I love to get a PAL or an NTSC unit with v2 upgrades [21:07] and there'll be a new ntsc version of the new dtv also [21:07] 11•12ChrisRyan11• what do you mean out? [21:08] I would BUY it. [21:08] Chris, your disks will be shown at our next group meeting. [21:08] Oh! Thanks Robert. [21:08] * Fuzz-PSW (~Fuzz-PSW@205.211.52.54) has joined #c64friends [21:08] Slarti: NTSC new version??? rumor? hackable??? [21:08] Howdy Fuzz-PSW [21:08] ey fuzz [21:08] Hi, Fuzz. [21:08] Hey Fuzz [21:08] hi guys [21:08] * TMR_C0S sticks his tongue out at Fuzzy. [21:08] no it's true, but possibly I have said too much [21:08] * Slarti[O] zips lip [21:09] any chance of seeing those disks at next week's expo? [21:09] Yes, Jeff L., a second run of the NTSC DTV. [21:09] * Fuzz-PSW chops off TMR's tongue [21:09] I mean the next issue of my Commodore Gazette (June/July) will be mailed out towards the end of the month [21:09] lol [21:09] details?? [21:09] The new PAL DTV does NTSC too, it's software switchable [21:09] I meant that Dwezel [21:09] cool [21:09] yup it is [21:09] Uh, I can tell you details in private, Jeff L. [21:09] I then WANT it [21:09] ok.. [21:09] so if they get a buyer for a bunch of NTSC units, then you'll see the new dtv chip in ntscland, cheap [21:10] all kinds of nifty stuff is possible [21:10] NTSC switchable... nice... [21:10] Or you can ask Jeri next weekend at the LUCKI Expo! [21:10] nah, mammoth is definitely doing a new line [21:10] slarti: nifty new hardware hacks, or just nifty new things than programmers can take advantage of? [21:10] Yes, very nice, Jeff. [21:10] Slarti: they still need a purchaser. [21:10] you can mix and match pal/ntsc stuff from s/w as well, it's very wierd [21:10] I will be DEFINITELY doing some GFX for it. [21:10] ROCK! [21:10] new h/w stuff coders can take advantage of [21:10] it's nuts [21:11] new elephants? [21:11] they're not going to manufacture hundreds of thousands of the things without a buyer, and then try to flog them off after [21:11] I still have a few extra Family Computing magazines for sale on ebaY [21:11] elephants in 8bits per pixel even [21:11] i'll have to get one of the new NTSC versions so I can play it in my car :) [21:11] Now we can CONTROL your viewing mode - :-) [21:11] eh, well i could care less if they make new ntsc versions anyway, hehe [21:11] nifty [21:11] Wonder if mine'll ever get out of PAL mode...? =-) [21:11] I do :) [21:11] heh [21:11] I tell you what I'd like to do with one, if it could be done, make it a portable SID player [21:11] TMR: it's just two pokes! ;) [21:11] * madmax grumbles at stupid NTSC tuner in his incar TV [21:12] I want BOTH modes in one unit. [21:12] it does have botjh w* [21:12] I just want userport lines!!! [21:12] Great [21:12] it is selectable from s/w like robin said [21:12] Snogpitch: given that it has no filters, you're probably better off repurposing a pocketpc or something for that [21:12] I wonder when this C= VGA adaptor will be done. I don't see any new updates or even a DATE on the site as to when it will be complete. Anyone know? [21:13] almost all video stuff is controllable from s/w ;) [21:13] slarti: ok, so if it has both modes, do you know how PAL or NTSC is selected? does it involve pulling a certain line high or low? [21:13] Might be RobinH, but i don't think i have a single piece of software that's NTSC...? [21:13] it's nutty [21:13] what i don't get about the c=vga adaptor, is how is it different from other svideo->vga adaptors that one can buy? [21:13] there's additional vic registers and stuff madmax [21:13] who's to say, with the added video they have been working on, audio won't come next? [21:13] madmax: it's just a couple pokes [21:13] and you can select what bits and pieces of pal/ntsc you want to combine [21:13] So is this marketed at the retro game stick buyers again? [21:13] Chris, Neil Jensen is still working on it, now that he has PAL C= machines with which to test it. [21:13] Pokes are no good from a vehicle point of view, i'd like to have a small switch i can flip [21:13] alih: It's supposed to be optimized for the 64's video signal, and it'lll convert the 128's 80-column mode as well [21:14] Alih, what you can do is hook up any Commodore computer to a VGA-connector-type monitor, Alih [21:14] * Fuzz-R64 (~fuzz_64@205.211.50.54) has joined #c64friends [21:14] Hi, Fuzz. [21:14] anyone: URL for the C=VGA adpt.; please? [21:14] re fuzz [21:14] TMR: well, you'll have to download some then :) [21:14] ChrisRyan: yeah, but all of my commodores output svideo :) [21:14] you can mess with how many cycles per line, remove badlines, all kinds of stuff [21:14] * Oldbit has his 128 on VGA... 40cols... [21:14] i always disliked the term badline [21:14] yeah [21:14] the VGA adaptor will have an S-VIDEO port [21:14] eheh [21:14] because they're not bad, they're useful [21:14] hi ho [21:14] AL Anger, one moment [21:14] plus it has even funkier non-standard gfx modes [21:15] alih: they're both bad and useful, imo [21:15] alih: I think the main difference is that the C=VGA has been modified to take into account the specifics of the C= Svideo signal [21:15] * Fuzz-PSW (~Fuzz-PSW@205.211.52.54) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:15] http://www.btinternet.com/~commodorescene/vga.html [21:15] i mea [21:15] * Fuzz-R64 is now known as Fuzz-PSW [21:15] if it's cheap enough, i'll buy it [21:15] that's the link to the VGA adaptor [21:15] thanks, Chris [21:15] You' [21:15] or if i'm working in a better job by then :) [21:15] You're welcome, AL [21:15] * Acea (~Acea@cpc3-grim4-3-0-cust145.nott.cable.ntl.com) Quit (Quit: zzzzzzzzz) [21:16] Actually, I'd like to add that I used a composite->VGA adapter once already and had to ebay it [21:16] watson: not good? [21:16] it was like every couple of vertical lines were removed. Fine for games, but it made GEOS unuseable [21:17] watson: ahh, aspect ratio correction :) [21:17] yeah [21:17] ewww [21:17] I did donate money towards the C= VGA adaptor sometime last year [21:17] I hate anykind of aspect correction [21:17] It would be nice to see my name listed as a donor [21:17] watson: I'm quite happy with my adapter... [21:17] * Antares51 is still here. [21:18] HI Antares [21:18] * TMR_C0S has always been a little wary of donating money for projects that might not appear... [21:18] I donated ONCE [21:18] TMR_C0S: me too [21:18] hrm [21:18] Chris, just shoot another e-mail to Allan and remind him. [21:18] donate money towards go(v) #18! we've got a reputation of appearing :) [21:19] * Oldbit accepts donations, and offers nothing... :) :) [21:19] hehehe [21:19] alih: The grammar and spelling was way above standard for go(v) #17... [21:19] * Snogpitch would offer a thanks at the least [21:19] RobinH: thanks, i think :) [21:19] ehheh [21:19] * beata (~beata@c-24-22-34-186.hsd1.or.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/) [21:19] * Antares51 donates get gets donations. [21:19] get=and [21:19] :) [21:20] Maybe i should accept donations... might get some code done... [21:20] * TMR_C0S thinks about it... naaaaaah. =-) [21:20] * Fuzz-PSW donates to TMR's code fund [21:20] I keep on getting computers dumped here. [21:20] you know [21:20] TMR: I can donate you a couple of lda and sta [21:20] heheh [21:20] Is Antares51 running a PET shelter? :) [21:20] the great irony is by the time c=vga gets done, all monitors will be DVI only :) [21:21] as fast as we gets 'em they go out (fixed). [21:21] TMR_C0S: i can donate you some code i stole from richard [21:21] That'll do for a start iAN, s'always nice to have spares. =-) [21:21] Anyone have an older PC tower I can have? I need to install Star Commander on it so I can use it without having problems when I use XP [21:21] Chris: why star commander? [21:21] That's okay alih, the bits that aren't yours or Cadavers are probably mine anyway? =-) [21:21] I would install 98 or 98SE on it [21:21] Dumped? I just picked up some more C= and Amiga machines. [21:21] To convert my Commodore disks to PC [21:22] Chris: try cbm4win with Leif's gui... [21:22] More Amigas? I wish!!! [21:22] Has anyone used the AmigaForever emulator? [21:22] a little.. [21:22] okay. Thanks OldBIt. Oldbit, what's the status of the Commodore PC keycaps? [21:22] I've used it, Jim L. [21:22] holding at the moment [21:22] RobertB: Want to sell any extra gear? [21:23] I remember the name Al Anger from Commodore World [21:23] Uh, what do you need, Al. [21:23] ? [21:23] The one with the customer Commodore units, right? [21:23] Oldbit,Robert: There's a fully licensed version in the new Retro Gamer. I was wondering if it works well. [21:23] Ooh. [21:23] JLawless: the amiga forever is a rebadged UAE with legal roms [21:23] I've got that.. I'll have to try it... [21:23] Hmmm, well, the CD version is the one I have from last year. [21:24] ChrisRyan: yes, that me. check out http://home.comcast.net/~al_anger/ [21:24] * DrV-R64 is now known as DrV-AFK [21:24] JLawless, what AmigaOS does it run? [21:24] Does it come with any virtual copies of the Amiga systems disk? [21:24] RobertB: Looking for Amiga 1200 [21:24] It uses 3.9. [21:25] hrm [21:25] I meant the version in Retro Gamer [21:25] 3.9? wow. [21:25] * Oldbit starts fishing through his messy desk for his retrogamer CD [21:25] Hey, Al Anger, one really good question I have is....Where did you get someone to mold plastic cases for your modifications? [21:25] Snog: Dunno. Didn't buy it. Wasn't sure $13 was worth the price... [21:25] I made most of them [21:25] Such as your dual 1581 drive ?? [21:25] * KilrPilr (~Commodore@S0106000f3d37d535.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [21:25] Kilr! [21:25] * TMR_C0S is now known as TMR_Away [21:26] Oh, I have three A1200's, but I wasn't thinking of selling them (yet). [21:26] Jeffo! [21:26] Can't imagine they would have 3.1 or higher in a $13 mag [21:26] Hi, Leo. [21:26] * lordronin (~lordronin@12-217-178-211.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends [21:26] * JavaUser (~Javauser@12.22.119.154) has joined #c64friends [21:26] Howdy KilrPilr [21:26] LR! [21:26] Hi Robert [21:26] * JavaUser is now known as village16 [21:26] Hoi gang [21:26] and everyone [21:26] hi LR [21:26] Howdy lordronin and village16 [21:26] Hoi #16, able to get on during training? [21:26] Hi, Scott and Dave M. [21:26] Just poped in to say hi, I don't know how much time I have [21:26] Thanks for the link, Al Anger. I added it to my favorites. I bet everything cost a lot of money to do, right? [21:26] Hi LR. [21:26] I thought the coverdisk was A500/1.3 only [21:27] RobertB: But you can only type on one of them at a time. :) [21:27] Hoi Snogpitch and Robert. Good to see you here this week Robert. [21:27] watson: Could have been. [21:27] #16, hows the training going? [21:27] Not actually training, just support for training... [21:27] I just wished I could find a place local that sells the mag [21:27] Very true, Al. [21:27] Training for what? [21:27] Hoi Pna* Been able to use any of that drivel I sent you? [21:27] I saw this issue at Barnes and Noble. [21:27] Long story here at Ft Irwin [21:27] ChrisRyan: more time than money [21:28] I read through it, you put a lot of effort into that... I haven't done anything with it though yet... [21:28] whos on the SX? [21:28] I'll be gone again next weekend for the LUCKI Expo, unless I can get on-line somewhere. [21:28] oh! [21:28] Pna* #16 is gone from our area for a few weeks doing Nat. Guard stuff [21:28] I'm finding it all over the place now. The bookstore at the train station even has it. [21:28] LR: Ah... I see. [21:28] * Snogpitch will be at the LUCKI Expo [21:28] I bet you wouldn't plan on any future new projects, would you? [21:28] * Oldbit will be at LUCKI [21:28] * KilrPilr wishes he could be at any expo! [21:29] Pna* just a couple of weeks while in the shop. Hoping to have you start your newsletter now [21:29] Hey, Leo, you were at MossyCon! [21:29] lol [21:29] It's kinda on my dime chatting in an internet caffe, have to patrol some areas looking for oil spills [21:29] ChrisRyan: make a suggeston [21:29] yes, yes i was [21:29] but notmany others were [21:29] Robert: Wish I had the bread to go to the Expo. Read a bit on it in the Infinite Loop, arrived today. [21:29] Next year, maybe it wll be bigger! [21:29] I'll try to think of something, Al. [21:29] * Oldbit watches someone on the SX... [21:29] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-25-187-166.wi.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby) [21:30] Yeah KilrPilr & #16 were at MossyCon. Wish we could do that every year. [21:30] Hey Robert, I just got your email and I'm also thinking about going to an expo sometime this summer or fall [21:30] Until I thoroughly look on your website, Al, how about a Commodore 128-D with a built-in 1581 drive? [21:30] LR, how difficult is it for you to get to the Portland Airport (PDX)? [21:30] Robert: Oh about a 100 mile walk. Unless I can score a ride from #16, when he returns. [21:30] It's almost bed time for me. [21:30] O.K., Scott, where are you exactly right now? [21:30] done it [21:30] who has that chris? [21:30] whats the SYS for soft reset? [21:31] Who has the instructons to put a 1581 into a 128D? [21:31] A ride... hmm. [21:31] 64738 [21:31] * TMR_Away is now known as TMR_C0S [21:31] Al Anger, Kilr. He custom made it himself. [21:31] speaking of walk, it was so nice here today, I went for an hour long walk [21:31] nice! [21:31] Well in the infinite loop is the information on making a Zip drive. Right on time, as I have that project breadboarded at the moment. [21:31] Robert, I'm at Ft Irwin, home of National Training Center, near Barstow CA [21:31] walked down to the local Circle K and bought a fountain drink and came back home [21:31] I'd rather bicycle-ride than walk. [21:32] http://home.comcast.net/~al_anger/fat/comp/text/misc.html [21:32] Hey, Al Anger, you don't yet have information on it yet. Your site for that project says "COMING SOON" [21:32] Gotta go. Bye!!! [21:32] BCNU Antaers51 [21:32] Bye, Antares. [21:32] See ya Antares. [21:32] No photos or anything. You titled it as "Commodore 128D with built-in 3.5 drive" [21:32] Robert: Yeah #4 has to fix my mountain bike. need that for my "required" exercise programme. [21:32] that's the R7D unit I got from Fred Bowen [21:32] * Antares51 (~Richard@ip68-110-30-204.om.om.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/) [21:32] R&D [21:33] Only walking I could do today was three blocks to the Vet for more kity meds. [21:33] Ah, Barstow. I was there just a few weekends ago. [21:33] * d0c (drinkb33r@221.80-202-213.nextgentel.com) Quit [21:33] Robert: Finally read that piece in the lists about the other C= group in Calif. I'll have to contact them. [21:33] I'll be here Robert until June 7, I'm kinda here for a while [21:34] Al, I bet you probably already thought up of everything imaginable as far as modifications and custom-made hardware units. [21:34] Great, LR! MORG wants contact from other C= gamers! [21:34] Getting caught up on the mail. Say has anyone a word on those mega files a few weeks back in comp.binaries.cbm? [21:35] Perhaps I can make it to Barstow one weekend, Scott. (A 3-hour drive for me.) [21:35] Saved that announcemnt and will reply on the ACUG list. As well as send a msg to the addy you listed. Still sorting through 789 bits of mail [21:35] G'nite all. [21:35] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.174.112.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [21:35] Chris: I hope not. Nothing to live for :) [21:35] It is possible Robert that I could be very busy, gotta go now guys [21:35] wow al, uve been a busy boy formany years :D [21:35] * village16 (~Javauser@12.22.119.154) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:35] BCNU #16 [21:35] Gotta type faster [21:35] Well, how about a Commodore PLUS/4 and a Commodore 16 built into a 128-D case? [21:35] faster [21:36] send me the parts, and I'll do it [21:36] Well played iAN ;-? [21:36] howdy all [21:36] and if there's room, along with a built-in 1581 drive, since a 1541-type drive may be too big [21:36] now that I have income again, I need to work on my lunchbox 64s [21:36] Say has anyone seen Gem X +8? [21:36] Al, that is very gracious of you. [21:36] gee, ChrisRyan, if you are gonna hack stuff, put a +4 in an SX case [21:36] Hoi dslman2 [21:36] hey lordronin [21:36] Whose version was +8? [21:36] I just looked at that one today. [21:36] Hi, dslman. [21:37] HI Danny. [21:37] hey robertb [21:37] RobertB: I need a new project [21:37] hey ryan [21:37] Snog: underscore... a _dead_ or _empty_ SX case please... [21:37] I am not very eletrically inclined to hack hardware. [21:37] you should see my scooter [21:37] lordronin: gemx +8? who did it? [21:37] * Snogpitch wouldn't do it [21:37] gas and oil mixture type [21:37] I do own a Plus/4 and a Commodore 16 computer. [21:38] haven,t rode it today,hopefully tomorrow [21:38] TMR* Mad Max took the onslaught base and added the trainers. From what I read on the screen. Followed my instructions about leaving orig [21:38] I have the computers and their power supplies. [21:38] Both of my SX64's work, they aren't getting hacked up for anything [21:38] Sorry a bit of lag happened [21:38] I own nine 1581 drives with JiffyDOS [21:38] i remember those [21:38] he left the original credits as per my instructions. [21:38] the sx64 [21:38] The OA version was +5, so it's just a recrack...? [21:38] I actually have an extra 1541C JiffyDOS chip, ORIGINAL, that I may put up on ebaY soon [21:38] i have also Xray +7 [21:38] the ones that look like a tv right [21:39] gemx+7/Xray [21:39] well, they have a small screen built-in... [21:39] they look like briefcases with detachable keyboards, really [21:39]