Session Start: Sat Dec 11 20:55:24 2004 Session Ident: #c64friends [20:55] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:55] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64!!' [20:55] Were you at the show? [20:55] Howdy all [20:55] Snog! [20:55] Hi snog. [20:55] snog [20:55] hi snog [20:55] lol @ jeriatric [20:55] no, Toronto is a 3 1/2 hour flight or a two-day drive from here and I had some school obligations. [20:56] I really despised the sound on the 7800. It ruined a lot of otherwise decent games. Donkey Kong comes to mind. [20:56] I never had Donkey Kong for the 7800 [20:56] The 7800 didn't improve the from the 2600 sound if I remember correctly. [20:56] I do have the 2500 version tho :) [20:57] O ok I was talking about we had the 2600. I though 7800 did not sound right. [20:57] Right, Jeri. To ensure backward compatability, they used the same audio hardware as the 2600 [20:57] I remember when the 2600 came out. it sure was a blast. [20:57] * JoeCBM (~JoeCBM@c-66-176-199-169.se.client2.attbi.com) has joined #c64friends [20:57] Howdy JoeCBM [20:57] amazing when you consider how primitive it is today. [20:57] Hi there. [20:57] 5200, Snog? :) [20:57] hi Joe [20:57] I still enjoy my 2600. [20:57] Didn't have a 5200 [20:57] I'm sure it's still fun. [20:57] Never heard of the 2500, then. [20:57] just a 7800 and a 2600 [20:57] The 5200 was a monster. [20:58] Wish I had one. :) [20:58] The controllers were horrible on the 5200 [20:58] So we on an Atari kick tonight? [20:58] 3 more minutes left. I guess start just talking about commodore then then. [20:58] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [20:58] It's PCB must have had 50 chips. It's not surprising the lost money in the 80's. [20:58] I did have an Atari before CBM [20:58] evening [20:58] Hey, whatever's clever. [20:59] Hiya CDK. [20:59] Howdy cd [20:59] Cameron Kaiser [20:59] hi CDK [20:59] cameron [20:59] Never had an atari computer. Big fan of the 2600, though. [20:59] Hello again, Pnacolada. (I changed from SIDVIC to JoeCBM.) [20:59] I had the atari with the big pastel buttons and built in missle command. [20:59] Oh, okay... heya then :) [20:59] I thought the styling on the Atari XLs was very sleek. I remember the BASIC was awkward, though. [20:59] CDKaiser: just replied to CSC about Geotrope [20:59] I liked the 1200XL, yeah. :) [21:00] I'm looking at that [21:00] I saw Geotrope yesterday :_ [21:00] Seems like you had to DIM all the variables you used or something odd like that. [21:00] a good friend was a real Atari freak. I enjoyed his stuff. he always gloated about the four joystick ports. :) [21:00] it's a compatibility issue with ide64 [21:00] Jeri: The 130XE? [21:00] he had an 800 and then a 130XE. [21:00] IDE tweaks the ROMs that much, eh? :( [21:00] I'm waiting to see if there's a JiffyDOS issue [21:00] I've got an 800XL around here somewhere. [21:00] yes it seems [21:00] What is GeoTrope? [21:00] http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/geotrope/ [21:00] CDKaiser, what tools do you use on the Mac...noticed a comment about it [21:00] pna. I think that was it. I only used it to BBS for a while. [21:01] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.198.55.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:01] Howdy JLawless [21:01] It's 9pm here. [21:01] Alan: Yeah, you did, but I liked the way they handled substrings... they didn't have arrays as such, but you could redefine strings quite easily :) [21:01] Hiya Snog, everyone. [21:01] Jeri: Cool. Mmm, BBS's. :) [21:01] Snogpitch: I use Power64 as my development emulator (have to talk to Roland about the VIC emulation ... apparently there's a PAL glitch it doesn't emulate), xa for cross assembly, pucrunch, some custom unix Makefiles, and Sixpix (my own QuickTime image to Koala/Doodle converter) [21:01] Those were the days. 1200 baud. [21:02] Indeed :) [21:02] I don't see WhiteFlame here, or I'd ask him about that glitch [21:02] wow, imagine a problem with a glitch [21:02] very irritating since I went to great lengths in Power64 to get it compatible with PAL at the same time :-( [21:02] Pna: You talking about Atari 400/800 BASIC? [21:02] I remember 300 boud. [21:02] CDKaiser: it's not that $e87f can't be patched, but the ide64 seems to switch $01 sometimes [21:02] JLawless: Yeah, as much of it as I can remember. :) [21:02] I remember the old 300 baud modems that you actually attached your phone handset to. What were they called, "acoustic couplers" or something hi-tech [21:02] I remember the Pocket Modem. click-click-click-click-click! [21:02] ian: how do you mean "switch $01 sometimes"? [21:02] yes, Alan. that's it. [21:03] I jumped straight to the VICModem. :) [21:03] during kernel operations in loading etc [21:03] or is that it's twiddling that value a lot? [21:03] oh [21:03] hmm [21:03] So how compatible is Frodo, you try that on a Mac? [21:03] * Six-DS (~Six@nr17-66-42-168-216.fuse.net) has joined #c64friends [21:03] Photo. I had the pocket modem for my amiga. Worked great. [21:03] but that means it wouldn't be compatible with anything that potentially overlays the Kernal ROM? [21:03] Howdy Six-DS [21:03] Hola [21:03] * redrumloa (~Lucifer@adsl-10-211-210.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #c64friends [21:03] I still don't know how they got power. [21:03] Snogpitch: never tried that on the Mac [21:03] * Six-DS is now known as _Six_ [21:03] When I got my 128 I could send for a free modem. I think it was the 300 boud one. [21:03] frodo is not a serious emulator. too many glitches [21:03] hi there, Six [21:03] Wow busy in here! [21:04] Hi red. [21:04] hello, redrumloa [21:04] I remember lusting after the 128 in '85. I never got one until three years ago. [21:04] Hey guys, what's the good word [21:04] Howdy redrumloa [21:04] A$="TEST STRING":A$(1,4)="DEAD" :) [21:04] Redrum from florida? [21:04] Yes sir! [21:04] No, redrum. What's the second baseman. [21:04] I have a couple 1670's (I think? 1200 baud) still in shrinkwrap [21:04] I don't know....who [21:05] I don't know... third base. [21:05] On the PC atm unfortunately, was hoping to log in on the C64:-) [21:05] 1670 is 1200, yes. I have one. [21:05] I had one when they were new too :) [21:05] auto answer enabled by default, that was a pain. no dip switch for it either on the first version of the modem :) [21:05] really? [21:06] couldn't you use an AT command to disable it? [21:06] I lived in the middle of nowhere as a kid (think "Oh Brother Where Art Thou"), so a modem didn't do me any good. [21:06] And that horrible screech at power-up! [21:06] Ouch. :) [21:06] *cringes* [21:06] Snog, not permanently. no flash. only good until you powered down. [21:06] I had a little USR file that auto-execed that did it. [21:06] * rbernardo (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:06] Howdy rbernardo [21:06] Robert! [21:06] hiya, Robert [21:07] Alan, I did too so I just opened a BBS. :) [21:07] ho robert [21:07] +++ ATDT503-662-3375 [21:07] Still live here, in fact. [21:07] me used to use his 1660 to get onto the internet [21:07] Hi, Snog, Alan, Cameron, MikeP. [21:07] Robert! [21:07] ;-p [21:07] Jeri. I put S-Video on my C64-DTV and it looks a lot better. The colors are better. The most I found was the boot up. How the back ground and text the blues were not as close as with composit video. I make the Text wight to see it better. But with S-Video I don't. Do you think you set up composit good for the DTV? [21:07] * MikeP my first modem was a homebrew 300 baud thing [21:07] oh, back then, no 11-digit dialling necessary. it didn't exist yet. just 7 digits for local :) [21:07] * rbernardo is now known as RobertB [21:07] * redrumloa is looking to buy a nice, clean, C128 in the USA [21:07] We had so many good C= BBSes here in Miami in the late 80's. [21:07] redrum: I just got an nice 128 on ebay [21:07] I don't think we have any BBSes, period, left here. [21:08] I think we had four BBSs on Commodores at the peak. not that many. [21:08] <_Six_> redrum: make the drive to see us next time we're on vacation, and I'll bring you one. :) [21:08] I doubt we have any left either. [21:08] Snogpitch might be able to give you a list of CCCC that has some 128's for sale [21:08] Hi, Jeremy. [21:08] Dest4Q: I'm looking specifically for a C128D [21:08] Hi RobertB [21:08] the C128D are rare to stumble on [21:09] Hi, Leo. [21:09] I never saw a 128D until I went to the LUCKI expo back in May. [21:09] Rare, Snog? Not here. [21:09] I have most of a DCR. [21:09] I have a couple of them myself [21:09] Sorry u missed WoC RobertB, It was awsome! [21:09] I used to have a 128d, but the drive got flakey and I sold it:-( [21:09] hi Cameron [21:09] I just couldn't get there, Leo. [21:09] none are fully working, though -- the one I use most of the time has a wrecked cassette port, and the other one doesn't do 128 mode right [21:09] MikeP: did you design your homebrew modem? build from a kit? [21:09] hello, Leo [21:09] * brainBBL is now known as _brain_ [21:09] but I never use the tape anyway, so I don't care ^_^ [21:09] heya jimmay [21:10] hi, Jim [21:10] Rare as in nobody ever donates one of those [21:10] * _brain_ waves [21:10] Hi Jim [21:10] brain waves? [21:10] Heh. [21:10] what [21:10] <_Six_> :) Brain! :) [21:10] JIM! [21:10] what have u done with those plans?? [21:10] Cameron, just send yours off to Ray Carlsen for full repairs. [21:10] * destined (destine@66.52.194.250) has joined #c64friends [21:10] <_brain_> plans? [21:10] hi jim [21:10] to my Death Star [21:10] I remember going to toy-R-Us to get a 128D They had it for cheep. Maybe it was $50. Wile driving I thought I have a flast 128 and I will have not room for the 128D so I never got it. I turned around and went back home. I was about 1 mile from home. [21:10] eh, I don't need the tape port [21:10] I'd be unhappy without my dear DCR [21:11] hi Cam [21:11] hiya, Ray [21:11] mistake, Raymond :) [21:11] CDKaiser : never recovered that manual. Sorry. [21:11] Raymond, Toys-R-Us was my computer store of choice back in the 80's! lol [21:11] no worries, Ray :) the unit works, and that's fine by me [21:11] K-Mart [21:11] arright [21:11] * jeriatric looks at my 128d with a basic program running [21:11] I just sad I sent you the manual for 1551 [21:11] too bad the rest of it burned up heheh [21:11] * JLawless got most of his CBM gear at Target. [21:11] why, do you need it back? [21:11] Running what basic program? [21:12] it's actually rather interesting [21:12] I have a 1581 that has never been used. not even by me. haven't set up a Commodore since I got it. need to clear space. :) [21:12] jlaw: My friend was buddies with a guy who was designing it as a kit for an electronics magazine, he got the basic plans and built it to connect to his (non commodore) computer. He and I then worked out how to interface it to the c64 using the PRG [21:12] I got my C= stuff from the Federated and from Gemco. [21:12] I have Judd's circle program running. [21:12] I bought my 64 at Target. :) [21:12] my Tomy Tutor was from Federated [21:12] Yes. I rember Toys-R-Us how the selfs were full of commodore softwere like they were about 7 years ago with Sega and nintendo games after that. [21:12] I think all our 64s were Target issue also [21:12] so was a lot of our software [21:12] Circle? Does it run fast or does it need to be compiled? [21:12] Target! didn;t know commodore shippoing factory seconds [21:13] There was a place called Service Merchandise where I got a lot of stuff too. [21:13] And now I visit ToysRUs on a whim to see what the kids are into, and those shelves look so foreign and uninviting. :) [21:13] RobertB Its really fast. [21:13] Joe, maybe it's because we aren't kids anymore [21:13] I also bought some stuff from Sears. ( My VicModem, Oxford Pascal, ...) [21:13] Judd's circle program. Is it something just for the DTV? [21:13] jeri, ever played with an old Style circle demo? [21:13] we didn't have Toys R Us back then. We got Commodores at Zellers and Canadian Tire. I bought mine at a local stereo shop. [21:13] what ever happened to Service Merchandise ? [21:13] I can't think of the name of it, I just know Elwix did that one [21:13] <_Six_> Hey JoeCBM, what's the hot product line you see at Toys-R-Us these days? [21:13] Hey, Cameron. Tell me about that graphics program I saw on your website. [21:13] Bets me, Rayzor [21:14] My first C64 came from Children's Palace [21:14] which one is that, Robert? [21:14] Beats me, I meant to say [21:14] CDK. No. What is it? [21:14] heh [21:14] Alan, I mean the shelves that once held the CBM stuff. :) Machines with 1000 times the processing power now. lol Zzz. [21:14] jeri: I'll have to dig it up, it's on one of my disks [21:14] TEAM AMERICA: WORKD POLICE. Seee it if you can [21:14] hysterical [21:14] it's just a rapid circle demo in realtime with some scrollers and music thrown in [21:14] <_Six_> My first came from Service Merchandise... [21:14] I think it was Service Merchandise were I got my first 1541 for a little over $300 that was the most I ever paid for any thing up to that time. [21:14] 1000, Joe? more than that. :) [21:14] Cameron, it's the one that is shareware and you can get the full version by paying up. [21:14] Rayzor, I heard that movie was fantastic. [21:14] it is great [21:14] 10^1000. :) Just picked a number out of my rear. [21:15] especially when all the fn liberals die [21:15] and they die in good ways [21:15] I love South Park. Best show on TV. [21:15] RobertB ... ? I have no idea :( got a name? [21:15] head exploding, eaten by sharks, etc [21:15] Ouch, too much picking. [21:15] Wait, I'm a liberal..... [21:15] hehe [21:15] well I meant Liberal Hollywood [21:15] they allo pay for crimes [21:15] we Canadians are all liberals. We're going to send all our gay married couples and our pot smokers to kick your *ss. ;) [21:15] even Micheal "Socialist faygot" moore [21:15] I can't get the name, Cameron, without dropping out of the chat. [21:15] well, NOW! Let's get back to *Commodores*! [21:15] was it on the Geotrope page, Robert? [21:16] Yeah. Quit picking on us liberals [21:16] * _Six_ rolls his eyes in disgust. [21:16] It was a link off the Geotrope page. [21:16] lol [21:16] I was so happy GWB got re-elected [21:16] hmm [21:16] didnt the religious/political talk get banned in here ? [21:16] that's what I thought too, Fungus [21:16] * destined hands All the politics over to Death Rayzor? [21:16] let's talk sports instead [21:16] as opposed to "Guarentee we will be speaking Arabic in a year" John Kerry [21:16] All your politics are belong to us! [21:16] NO POLITICS! [21:16] Yeah, but it's not offensive coming from Rayzor. Since he's nuts. [21:16] right [21:16] well then, the "ops" shoudl excercise thier Opness [21:16] Argh. [21:17] ok, Let's talk how do we convert Zip drives on the CMD system? [21:17] a link off the geotrope page ... the only thing I remember linking from there is gunzipc64 [21:17] Dumb C= question: [21:17] wouldnt it just work with a SCSI ? [21:17] Cameron, it was supposed to take hi-res graphics (like Flexidraw) and then you can modify the graphics. [21:17] * BruceT (~chatzilla@S01060004e24fa9e1.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [21:17] DarthRaYz: it should [21:17] Hi, Bruce. [21:17] Hi bruce [21:17] I had a scsi ZIP attatched thru a CMD thing a while back [21:17] I use a Syquest with mine [21:17] I had no idea what to do to it tho [21:17] Will my Retro Replay/RR-Net combo work in C128 mode with proper software support? [21:17] Hi RobertB and destines and all others. [21:17] redrumloa: no [21:17] Six, sorry, missed your question above. I see a lot of kids taking Nintendo Gameboy DS home. [21:18] Fungus: Figured:-( [21:18] 128 isa a different animal altogether [21:18] it barely works as it is :) [21:18] hello, Bruce [21:18] Hi CDK [21:18] oh, I think I know what you're talking about [21:18] something called NewView, RobertB? [21:18] Yes!!! [21:18] * Dest4Q (destine@66.52.194.181) Quit (Ping timeout: 608 seconds) [21:18] <_Six_> Joe: I was just wondering what your opinion of the different computerish products these days. I also shop for the young 'uns. Seems like edu-toys are big. [21:18] it's been ages since I even looked at that, I forgot I still had it for sale [21:19] * destined is now known as dest4q [21:19] * Egon (~john@dialup-4.237.47.22.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:19] Howdy Egon [21:19] hello, Egon [21:19] insert Harold Ramis joke here [21:19] hullo all. [21:19] Hi, John. [21:19] * Egon does indeed collect spores , molds, and fungus. [21:19] * Snogpitch has never been slimed [21:19] Six, I like the little multimedia players the toy manufacturers are coming out with, like Vtec. Luckily, I shop for nephews, now my own larvae. lol [21:19] * CDKaiser cheers at Egon. [21:20] *now = not [21:20] larvae ... that's excellent. lol [21:20] hehehe [21:20] hehe [21:21] I must remember to refer to my kids as larvae from now on. [21:21] Larvae? Squash them! [21:21] so that would make it pupa-erty, eh? [21:21] brb [21:21] CDKaiser: ftp://ftp.scs-trc.net/pub/c64/Demos/ntsc/Style/Circleplot.prg.gz [21:21] wow, ian -- I think that's it [21:21] I call kids linoleum lizards [21:21] Jeri, did you see that RL? [21:21] er, URL? [21:22] it's that one by elwix [21:22] grabbing. [21:22] yup [21:22] it's the right one [21:22] thanks Ian ^_^ [21:22] np :) [21:22] Thanks iAN. [21:23] don't look at demos, jeri, prepare PAL dtvs instead :P [21:23] As much as I love the SID, I'm curious to know if there have been any efforts to interface alternative sound generation devices to a C64/128. [21:23] Cameron, is NewView supposed to be like Godot in modifying graphics. [21:23] ? [21:23] iAN is a slave driver. [21:23] lol [21:23] no, it's not really that way [21:23] it's purely an effects generator, RobertB [21:23] Slave driving is illegal! [21:23] <_brain_> Then, you are good to go. [21:24] Oh, an effects generator. [21:24] (it's also rather unoptimized ... those were the days my programming acumen was much poorer) [21:24] i cant remember how to get the dev team pic on the dtv [21:24] <_brain_> dtvteam.prg [21:24] i thought it was load"devteam",1 [21:24] <_brain_> It is [21:24] I think there's a demonstration on the disk that shows some of the effects [21:24] <_brain_> dvtteam, tho [21:24] hmm [21:24] I'll have to download NewView and try it out. [21:24] ahhh [21:24] <_brain_> dtvteam, errr [21:24] thanks [21:24] Any new news on Maurice lately? He been churning out any product yet? [21:24] Then I'll have to buy! [21:25] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-139-168-206-69.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [21:25] Howdy LordRonin [21:25] *laughs* you're going to make me have to dust off the serial numbers list for that one [21:25] Hi, Dave M. [21:25] hi, LR [21:25] Snogpitch, how is the c1 working? [21:25] hi LR [21:26] Oooo, serial numbers, too. [21:26] Hoi gang, omly 1,142 bits of mail to sort before making it here tonight [21:26] still waiting for the processor card [21:26] Robert. What is the record # of people in this channel? [21:26] Robert: Saw your first part on the xpo in the Infinite Loop today. Like the pic of the birthday cake [21:26] back. [21:26] Snog. I just sent out a new c64 that fixes the $TI bug. [21:26] Oy, I don't keep count. Snog would know better. [21:26] :) [21:27] <_Six_> Mmm.. What's that Yamaha sound chip that was so popular? AY-something? [21:27] Oh yeah Wildstar did bring by the 64dtv for our group [21:27] 3812? [21:27] Expo, LR? Do you mean the Classic Gaming Expo? [21:27] We had 40 some last week, broke the record of 30 some [21:27] Yamaha chips start with YM, btw [21:27] the AY is something else [21:27] What is the fastest method to move a 4+ MB file from a C64 to a PC? File is on RAMLink or HD Drive. [21:27] Six, the one popular in MSX machines? [21:27] <_Six_> Yeah... [21:27] lord ronin: Where is Mark? [21:28] yim512 [21:28] Yay, Dave! Now you are DTVed! [21:28] hi LordRonin [21:28] Robert, that is the one. Only one problem, there is the advert for the 2003 video and the C-1 thing from Jeri. But it says to contact you by e-mail. The e-mail addy wasn7t included just the fcug website [21:28] dest4q: Sestine? Mark/Lord Alberonn is on a Channukha date with his girl friend [21:29] Huh, advert? I don't have the issue, and so, I don't know. [21:29] * dest4q is now known as destine [21:29] Hoi iAN_CooG: Got another and better msg from Overkiller about that situation. [21:29] hey destine [21:29] LR! [21:29] Robert: Wrote a review for SceneWorld, after 5 hours of playing with it. [21:30] Hoi Fungus: Say doi you still want to read that story? Got it in PETscii [21:30] Oooo, a comprehensive review I hope! :-) [21:30] LR: yeah! :) [21:30] petsci [21:30] Also, if MadMax doesnt stop, he;s going to get a nice rag demo from the scene [21:30] story of what? [21:30] * dracosilv sets mode: +o DarthRaYz [21:30] RobertB: That is what appears to be something that you posted on a list. About the tapes [21:30] LordRonin: i'm making a list of all madmax recracks [21:30] Ian: all of them ? [21:30] * Caricon (~caricon@user254.paulding.oh.dtnspeed.net) has joined #c64friends [21:30] :D [21:30] Ok I got another question for you guys: [21:30] yes [21:30] Howdy Caricon [21:31] I can't remember, LR. [21:31] hi. [21:31] HI, Caricon. [21:31] what is the PETscii story? [21:31] Hoi Caricon [21:31] I have a MSD SD-2 disk drive here with no manuals. Anyone have a link to online manuals? Or any other information source? Intruiginh device, it is. [21:31] I am so tired. I had to work last night, and have been up all day. [21:31] what do u need to know about it? [21:31] hello, Caricon [21:31] However, do you want me to send you a video of the C64 DTV on QVC, LR? [21:31] what do u need to know about it? (MSD - SD2) [21:32] redrum, I have a couple D64s with some MSD utility programs. I found it online somewhere [21:32] Fungus Can send it too you as a .D64 of the separate zipped 45 files [21:32] Well everything;-) I find it interesteing that accessing device 8, accesses BOT drives [21:32] There are MSD utilities in the GEnie archive [21:32] LordRonin: remember@starbase.globalpc.net [21:32] Snogpitch: An espionage/psionic fiction piece I wrote for RevDave at Load Star by request. [21:33] * destine wants to know of Acug has a website? [21:33] I seem to remember this drive can make copies on it's own without software..from memory maybe I'm wrong. [21:33] the msd2, redrum? with the right rom it can. [21:33] there was an aftermarket rom for it that did that. [21:34] * jeriatric is fading to sleep [21:34] 39 isn't that a record for this room? [21:34] woohoo for the new ti$ bug fix! [21:34] Ah, fade away... fade away. ;-) [21:34] Fungus: got that written down will send in a while. Swamped right now, still have a mess of .D81s to make fro Bruce T. [21:34] Mine has a label with some hard to read hand written instructions on it, so I guess it has a rom [21:35] read the drive error channel when you first power it on [21:35] Thanks for those LR. Looking forward to receiving them. [21:35] Destine: Have to talk to Lord Alberonn on that task. I don't know how to do the work. All his baby. I just say what and where the things need to go [21:35] maybe it will say what it is [21:35] * PhotoJim tucks jeriatric in and hums a lullaby [21:35] Can you give me Alberonn's email? [21:35] back at keyboard agaib [21:35] CDKaiser, is there a cable 1541<=>Mac solution? [21:35] hey PhotoJim, don't put the rest of us to sleep [21:36] BruceT: Will copy the entire mess as .D81s. When a day opens for me. Holiday season problems. Must go as one file per msg through QWKRR be in base64 [21:36] * Alan_R (Alan@user-33qt82u.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:36] another question: What is the additional connector on the back of this MSD? Optional IEEE interface? [21:36] Howdy Alan_R [21:36] Hi, Alan. [21:36] yes, IEEE [21:36] Sounds fine LR. No rush. [21:36] Stupid dial up internet kicking me offline. [21:36] welcome back Jeri [21:36] not optional, but standard on the MSD [21:37] Destine: alberonn@qwest.net [21:37] Hoi Alan [21:37] Jeri, there is an even bigger bug in the c64 core that needs to be fixed though, it's a rather evil one too! [21:37] BruceT: be a bit of a flood {vbg} [21:37] LR: no problem [21:37] Hi Alan. Liked your article in the latest UCUGA Digest. [21:37] What is that mike? [21:37] Destine, you would have to email Alberonn [21:37] jeri: NTSC... Moohahahahahahahah [21:38] sorry, couldn't help myself :) [21:38] I still have a disk to make and send to Pnacolda for a screen writer. Plus hunting for JimB that big file I lost. [21:38] big file? [21:38] A screen writer? Oh, the 128 mode C/G writer... [21:38] Bruce, I didn't know I had an article in there. Is there a new digest out? [21:38] JoeCBM: sorry, wasn't watching this window ... no, unfortunately, I don't know of a Mac <-> 1541 solution [21:38] No. I'm giving the pal people NTSC timing and pet2001 graphics. [21:38] No worries LR. I've got broadband. [21:38] * Alan (Alan@user-33qt84i.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [21:39] I'm still either sneakernetting 1581 floppies or using Star Commander on a PC and FTPing back and forth [21:39] Alan, it will be soon. Earl is just printing them. [21:39] * Alan_R is now known as Alan [21:39] Snogpitch: Ray Allen gifted me with his C= Linux site information before he closed it. One big zip file. Mislaid it at vcs or on the hard drive. [21:39] jeri: cool, and here was I expecting a KIM-1 style display! [21:39] Cool. So, you liked it? I wasn't very confident about it. [21:39] Pnacolad: Spray Paint foir your BBS [21:39] CDKaiser, does it not exist because of lack of demand? Or is it more trouble than it's worth? [21:39] dunno, Larry -- no one's tried yet [21:39] Nah, MikeP. The original idea... Nixie tubes! [21:39] Yes. And that is how NEWBIEs build confidence. By contributing! [21:40] BruceT: be at least 20 .D81s from my fist scans of the originals [21:40] I imagine old world Macs with the Z8530 could drive the pins directly [21:40] OS X is out of the question [21:40] Ahhhh, nothing like the warm glow of tubes [21:40] Shame. I'd love to see a 1571 icon on my OS X desktop. :P [21:40] Hmmm? [21:40] that would be cool :) [21:40] KEWL LR! [21:40] Awesome. I'm glad you liked it. Hope everyone else does too. [21:41] iAN_CooG: I'd like to have that list of recracks for a comparison of what I am being given at this time [21:41] LordRonin, hello [21:41] Hoi #8, we had a great time playing and looking into that 64dtv. Wrote a review on it, with credit to you for bringing to us, for Scene World [21:42] Cool, that's great. [21:42] CDKaiser, which pins? [21:42] CCCC is going to have a demo in January with the C64DTV [21:42] Now to just find that big file and to make the disks. Have a newsletter for the local club and the January CML to write this next week :-(. Ah well not lazy at least [21:42] If anyone has an article on a C+ topic that they want to write and send to me for the FINAL issue of the UCUGA Commodore Digest I'm open to accepting submissions [21:42] Why is it that I cannot see Rick? [21:42] Sorry C= topic [21:42] LordRonin were is the review how would people get it? [21:43] beata_, I'm just speaking generally [21:43] Bruce, I thought this latest issue was the last one? [21:43] LR: Ah, thanks. I think I'll give up making a D64 of StereoEditor and just snail mail you the disk. Wish the docs were complete tho. [21:43] Mhmm. I don't know mac hardware that well, though. [21:43] with luck you could just manipulate the Z8530's registers directly, but I don't know enough about that chip to say specifically how you'd do it [21:43] No. Dale just finished the Sept/Oct issue. I am doing the Nov/Dec issue. That will be the last one. [21:43] OS X would almost certainly have to be a USB solution, and that means custom hardware or controllers [21:43] Raymond: I'll be sending it off to Scene World this week. Don't know if they will use it or when. Part of two .D64 sides of articles I am sending them. [21:44] Is the Z8530 the serial controller? [21:44] I think I could put the StereoEditor to a D64 with all the docs. [21:44] beata_, yes [21:44] on Old World Macs [21:44] Ah. Yuck. [21:44] Pnacolda: Lost the compressed file. So I have to re-compress a multitude of files including the dox on this one. [21:44] New World Macs obviously don't have serial ports [21:44] My mac is even older than that. [21:45] Scene World I never herd of it. [21:45] * Caineytza (~Caineytza@83.72.34.78.ip.tele2adsl.dk) has left #c64friends [21:45] what model, beata_? [21:45] Quadra 605 [21:45] I'll have to know when you are in. Most of the time, I am at the college which is about 13 blocks west and several blocks straight up the hill on 16th street. [21:45] Hell, if I had the cash, I'd fund development of a USB<=>1541 interface, provided it could be done! [21:45] heh [21:45] Bruce, so why is the digest folding, anyway? I was really disappointed to hear that. [21:45] I've got a Q605 running NetBSD myself [21:45] Raymond http://www.sceneworld64.de free disk mag. I do the english NTSC stuff [21:45] Raymond, Scene World is a downloadable C= disk magazine. [21:45] +drivers for OS X. No reason you PCers get to have all the fun. :o) [21:45] JoeCBM, it might be done, just nudge the _brain_ a little more [21:45] there's a number of old Macs around here (and then my G4s and a few others) [21:46] Dale is worn out from publishing a monthly newsletter for the last 8+ years and nobody wanted to take it over. Earl's Infinite Loop will go to LUCKI Club members from now on. [21:46] Snogpitch, I hate begging. :) Besides, he's got a new little girl to take care of. [21:46] Wow that's need. Thanks for letting me know. A free disk mag :) [21:46] bruce: why is it the last one? [21:47] Raymond_D: Ok. [21:47] Raymond issue #13 just came out. Load Star did a bit of "reprinting" issue #10 [21:47] Bruce, too bad. I enjoyed reading them. [21:47] 38 people in, what a crowd [21:47] Nobody to continue publishing it. Dale is spent and I don't have time to take it on monthly and nobody else could be found. [21:48] Biggest crowd i have ever seen in any C= related channel [21:48] Yes, Alan, Dale did a super job of showcasing the finest output that can come from a Commodore. [21:48] I can understand from the quality of it how it must have been a big job to produce [21:48] bruce: well i have a review of the PC-KEYB from the IDE64 guys that I wrote for our local group, your welcome to a copy of that if you want [21:48] I couldn't do it with the local monthly newsletter, the CML, Load Star and Scene World writing. Can say that several members of the group did join the Meething Through The Mail group this year and renewed for next year. [21:48] Yes, Dale was very skilled with Postscript and Geopublish. [21:49] <_brain_> was? [21:49] And what made it all possible was that BSW had the foresight to support PostScript from geoPublish. [21:49] <_brain_> Is he dead? [21:49] no, he's just not skilled anymore ;) [21:49] No dead. Just dead tired. [21:49] Dale did great work on the Luki newsletter and the digest. As well as a full colour issue of the CML a couple years back [21:50] * MikeP enjoyed the UCUGA Newsletter and looked forward to it arriving [21:50] I've thought of joining the Meeting Through The Mail group. Is it pretty good? [21:50] Especially with the UCUGA digest folding. [21:50] * jeriatric (~JerJer@4.27.140.171) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [21:51] looks like the lulluby worked... [21:51] Hmm.. [21:51] I really like getting something C= related in my hands to read every month. I like getting Loadstar, too. [21:51] <_Six_> Isn't it time for a collaborative scene mag again? [21:51] I remember Expose [21:51] It would be nice if Tulip got behind making something like that [21:51] that was a great mag -- too bad it never took off [21:51] wonderful scene disk [21:52] Alan: I'm the wrong one to ask. As I am the Managing Editor of the newsletter. Can say that it has been around since 86. 6 times a year a 18-20 page newsletter comes out. Plus a private mail list and twice a year listings of all members and their C= intere [21:52] I haven't received Loadstar in some time. [21:52] A 64DTVScene collaborative scene mag ????? [21:52] The old Commodore did it [21:52] Robert: I haven't heard from Dave in weeks. He was to get back to me on the articles and fiction pieces. Said there was a problem with #234 [21:53] * beata_ looks for something 65C02 or C816 to read.. [21:53] 234 is out, isn't it? I didn't have any problems with it [21:53] There is also the mag Retro Gamer [21:53] Alan: Get mine in exchange for the writings. Haven't seen an issue foir a while [21:53] I haven't received the disk, Alan. [21:54] * Caricon (~caricon@user254.paulding.oh.dtnspeed.net) Quit (Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)) [21:54] Picked up an issue when I was in Washington DC last week [21:54] RetroGamer seems to ignore everyone who isn't on a PC, though, at least where their emulation is concerned [21:54] bruce: Do you want a copy of my article for the final UCUGA newsletter? [21:54] There should be a monthly, glossy, 45 page magazine dedicated to useful tricks and tips for the Plus 4's built-in applications. rofl [21:54] the mag *is* very nice, but I was disappointed at how little of the cover disc was generally applicable [21:54] What is it about MikeP? [21:54] Any ideas for a C64DTV diskmag ? [21:54] Joe, with accompanying DVD... [21:54] rofl [21:55] PhotoJim, lol [21:55] BruceT: A review of the PC-KEYB PS/2 to C64 keyboard adaptor that the IDE64 guys are selling [21:55] Yes, I have LS 234. Maybe I'm special. [21:55] the c64DTV mag is really dependant on how forward Tulip will be going with things [21:55] <_Six_> Man I love that PC Keyb to C64 interface. [21:55] Sure. Sounds cool. The Digest carried a review of MicroMys so this fits right in. [21:55] I would support it if Tulip goes forward in a positive direction. [21:56] six: yeah, it rocks, shame its a tad expensive. Cant wait for brain's version to be available [21:56] <_Six_> It was worth it for me. I've been 100% happy with everything from the IDE64 team. [21:56] Out of 4 PC keyboard to the DTV one did not work with it. I cheep PC keyboard. It has the blob type chip in the keyboard. [21:56] Today I received the latest issue of Total Amiga magazine. [21:57] I didn't even realize until recently that there were still magazines about the Commodore and Amiga machines. [21:57] _Six_ - what is the ethernet adapter for the IDE64? Do you have that? [21:57] <_Six_> Yep, it's nice, too. [21:57] <_Six_> I've been stalled writing a lib to support it because of DTV stuff, though. [21:57] * beata_ peers at the ethernet adapter. [21:57] six: yeah, no complaints about it or my ide64.. one day i'll even try my DUART64 :) [21:58] Yes, PhotoJim, the paper magazines are hanging on. [21:58] that's cool, RobertB. I will have to see about getting them somehow. [21:58] * antigen (na@user-38lc4j0.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:58] And Greg Nacu sells the IDE64 and teh Ethernet Adapter, right? Thru Modernity Grp? [21:58] Hi, Antigen. [21:58] hi, Antigen [21:59] Hoi antigen [21:59] Howdy antigen [21:59] that's right BruceT [21:59] hello Robert, CK, LordRonin, Snogpitch [22:00] Hello Antigen [22:00] * MikeP wishes Contiki was more stable and hopes the bugs get fixed soon [22:00] Thanks Snog. Need to sell some more stuff on eBay to pay for one of those. [22:00] Bruce: what cha got? [22:01] Got an Amiga 2000 I am ready to put up. GEOS 64 V2.0. geoWizard. geoMakeBoot. [22:01] I'd like to get a CMD 1750XL REU. [22:01] Buncha other stuff I have to organize yet. [22:01] BruceT any SCPUs or Hard Drives? Got members hunting for them [22:01] Only the ones I use myself LR! :) [22:01] Lr: me too [22:01] Hehehe. [22:01] CMD hd's [22:01] * redrumloa wants a SuperCPU 128 [22:01] Who isn't looking for a SuperCPU? [22:01] mememememem [22:02] Me three, a member is tired of waiting for his order :-( [22:02] ;-) [22:02] Not me. Cool box, but I like my C= hardware simple. :) [22:02] Hehe. I'm not. [22:02] * dslman2 (pmlnrz@adsl-65-65-192-240.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:02] Joe, I used to say that too...then I saw Wheels running with a SuperCPU. Wow. [22:02] Bruce: do you have one of those for sale? [22:03] Alan: Well I could use a second one [22:03] I might take a C1 though, if it gets a little hardware revising. [22:03] I've never seen Wheels running, SCPU or no. [22:03] Alan: That is how I get here each week. Wheels/Wave and the SCPU [22:03] Wheels is pretty cool. [22:03] wheels is ok, although I've never been crazy about GEOS [22:03] but it is well constructed [22:03] Alan, I bet it's really breathtaking but I like diddling with C= stuff for the nostalgic element more than actually using them for real world applications. [22:03] Or if I can figure out what all that onboard CPU / CPU daughtercard stuff is all about. [22:04] Do all my writing work on or through Geos/Wheels [22:04] I just like the challenge of writing high powered stuff on the stock system [22:04] Joe, me too. I'm mainly in it for the nostalgia, but I like to use my 64 as much as practical. I've found that most of my word processing needs can be done with GEOS [22:05] Ryan, next time I pass through Springfield I'll have to show you Wheels (if your cat doesn't attack!). :-) [22:05] Alan - Joe: Not I, as I only own and use the C= 64/128 [22:05] Yeah! Hi-power on a stock system! [22:05] That would be cool, Robert. I'm working on setting up a 128 in the living room so you don't kill yourself trying to go into my room. But he will attack, it's just the way he is :) [22:05] I like turning the lights down low... setting the iPod to loop DuranDuran songs... booting up Beamrider and pretending it's 1985 once again. lol [22:05] CDK: Just as well you do, because it doesnt seem worth it to support a piece of hardware that is owned by so few and cant be purchased anyway! [22:06] Personally I look for a CPU card with a Terbium which [rumor has it] should begin....SHUT UP Wildstar.... development next year.... Shut up Wildstar... after they complete evaluation. :-) Totally preliminary. [22:06] Pnacolda: Pop up here sometime and I'll show you how I use Wheels and wave. Destine can confirm that and the fact there is only C= in this place {vbg} [22:06] depressingly true, MikeP [22:06] Joe, I do that too except I play Telengard and listen to Black Flagg [22:06] <_brain_> bbi20min [22:06] brb [22:06] LR: Love to. All these trips tho, costing me money I don't have. [22:06] * CDKaiser waves sadly to Jim. [22:06] * MikeP also waves to jim [22:06] well, both Jims I guess [22:06] <_Six_> l84 Jims [22:07] <_Six_> 4=are [22:07] uh oh, LR which system did you say you use? ;-p [22:07] Money? what is that Pnacolda? Don't see any on this disability cheque [22:07] The days! [22:07] <_Six_> are [22:07] <_Six_> Dang mIRC [22:07] lol [22:07] lol! [22:07] destine: Tut tut and tut, you know that there is only one pc system to use. The most holy and sacred C= ;-? [22:07] I was wondering about that ... I8are Jims ... :) [22:07] back [22:08] If there's any Dimebag Darrell fans here... Head Bangers Ball is doing a tribute show right now.... [22:08] * Fungus turns on MTV [22:08] I never liked Pantera. [22:08] Does anyone remember the Commodore PC Player? I think it was a 486 repackaged in the UK. [22:08] How is the DTV, Lord Ronin [22:08] LR> I thought you never uttered the word.. "PC?" ;=p [22:08] * lessmoney (Wes@sdn-ap-002watacoP0016.dialsprint.net) has joined #c64friends [22:08] Howdy lessmoney [22:08] Hi, Wes. [22:09] PC = personal computer [22:09] <_Six_> But for a few stops on that tour, I could have been among the dead (shudders). Security at the Alrosa always did suck. [22:09] #8: plugged into the 1702 at the shop. getting used, though I am too used to playing those games trained [22:09] how are you guys [22:09] Rick, that was a joke! [22:09] hi wess [22:09] destine, don't you know that robots don't understand humor? [22:09] hello destine [22:10] LR> Were you involved in Twin-cities 128? [22:10] destine: PC only means personal computer and it says at the top left of this 128D keyboard that it is a "personal computer". Can7t be held responcible for others failure to know terms [22:10] Hoi lessmoney [22:10] hello, less [22:10] Alan> Which AI? [22:10] How are people enjoying the C64DTV down at the shop [22:10] <_Six_> DTV RULES! [22:10] hi lordronin [22:11] destine: no had some doings with jim brown 128. Much to my financial disatisfaction. [22:11] bruce: do you want photo's with the article? [22:11] photos? [22:11] Oh, during the initial blue screen - wiggle the joystick left and right a few times and the screen should start typing out a load"$",8,1 [22:11] and list [22:12] #8 those that have seen it are amazed that it is in one little joystick looking theng. THEN i tell them about how to add the drive and keyboard! Gotta get mor intel on that one [22:12] snog: I wrote an article about a piece of hardware for the C64 (PC-KEYB) and I can supply photo's of it installed [22:12] LR, do you mean John Brown? [22:12] Cute easter egg #8 [22:12] Robert yes that is correct meant to say John Brown. Tired tonight, long hours by myself. [22:13] and not enough beer [22:13] Some few extra little games and one that says BASIC prompt. Have to demonstrate to you. [22:13] Ah, but you are among friends now, LR! :-) [22:13] #8: Sounds like a great demo for you to do at the meeting this thursday [22:13] Well Commodorians, I'm checking out for now. Take care, everyone. [22:13] bye alan [22:13] Night alan [22:13] Good night [22:13] Thanks for the help! [22:13] RobertB: True C= people and the Gamers are good friends [22:13] When you go into the true BASIC prompt mode - there is an onscreen keyboard. [22:13] Bye, redrum. [22:13] g'night Alan [22:14] BCNU Alan [22:14] bye, Alan [22:14] Ooops, bye, Alan. [22:14] Which is joystick controlled. :-) [22:14] Robert: Alan's leaving, i'm still here:-) [22:14] hehe [22:14] cya alna [22:14] alan [22:14] #8 I just heard you volunteer for operating the demo thursday [22:14] how do you get into true basic prompt mode? [22:15] Load the BASIC PROMPT program :) [22:15] * MikeP thinks pna is gifted :) [22:16] * Alan (Alan@user-33qt82u.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit (Quit: I LOVE NATASHA SMITH!) [22:16] Gotta ask Alan next time who is that Natasha Smith girl [22:16] Seriously :) [22:16] I've wondered that too. [22:17] Thought it was just me out of the contempoary loop of things [22:17] Snogpitch, after the C= logo and the copyright notice screens - the screen should turn to the blue screen and start to type load. Immediately as the screen turns to the blue color - start wiggleing the joystick left and right and you should see LOAD"$",8 [22:17] <_Six_> Snog: install a keyboard, hold down "K" while booting. [22:18] load "rayzorrulz*",8,1 [22:18] and then LIST and a list. THen move you cursor up to 1 BASICPROMPT and press the left fire button [22:18] DarthRaYz: No type @s0:microsoft [22:18] heheh [22:18] Not biased am I? [22:19] OPEN15,8,15,"S0:MICROSOFT,1,1" [22:19] CLOSE 15 [22:19] ,1,1? [22:19] Ah you don't have Jiffy Dos i see [22:19] ,1,1 is what for? [22:19] like I kno man [22:19] its the init I suppose [22:20] lmao [22:20] Isn't #1 the screen or the keyboard? 3 IIRC is the tape drive??? [22:20] dammit [22:20] let it go [22:20] :) [22:20] 0 = keyboard, 1 = tape, 3 = screen [22:20] It'd just scratch two additional files called 1 :) [22:20] * JoeCBM (~JoeCBM@c-66-176-199-169.se.client2.attbi.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:20] what is 5? [22:20] Darth: how about open15,8,15,"n0;ilovem$,1a" [22:20] close15 [22:20] 6 plotter :) [22:20] 2 is modem [22:20] I knew someone would know. I'd have to score up the book above me. [22:20] 5 is a second printer, but not used much [22:20] very nice [22:20] 7? [22:20] M$ is the best [22:21] they created your beloved C= OS [22:21] not used except by some third-party devices [22:21] 5 is another printer IIRC [22:21] I think device 7 is the RAM disk in RAMDOS (I think) [22:21] * destine (destine@66.52.194.250) Quit [22:21] Think I recently read that 4 & 5 were for printer [22:21] yes [22:21] you're right Ronin, I remember now. [22:21] 8-15 for floppies... but only 8-11 for serial officially [22:21] must .. not ... break.. [22:21] supposedly that can go up to 30 [22:22] just four bits? or can you go 16+? [22:22] but I can't imagine how, practically speaking [22:22] Saw on some tool a listing for 8-30. Don't remember which one. Usually I just see 8-11 like on Omega-q [22:22] LORD RONIN [22:23] Hoi Hiram!! [22:23] Hm. [22:23] LR: I've seen that on Loadstar Viewer, IIRC. [22:23] so did the Jerzor show up? [22:23] beforehand, yes [22:23] damned [22:23] Pnacolada: See it almost everyday, the 8-11 on EdStar II [22:24] from Load Star [22:24] OPEN15,8,15,"n0:windowssucks,64":close15 [22:24] hello wild* [22:24] Hello Hiram [22:24] Hmm.. [22:24] #8 I know you have Jiffy Dos and can use the commands. You got it before me [22:25] pheer my mighty cleric! [22:25] http://forum.simplylightwave.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3344 [22:25] or monk [22:25] * Hiram shrugs [22:25] why 15 as file#? [22:25] Who is #8? [22:25] Yeah, @n:c64rules,64 (If I recall correctly) [22:25] I am #8 [22:25] Take your Monk against my 10th level 1st ed AD&D Monk Hiram [22:25] just convention, iAN [22:26] i always use 1,8,15 [22:26] LR, bah, your monk stands no chance! [22:26] Hmm.. [22:26] since the secondary address has to be 15 for the command channel, many people just put them the same [22:26] He is a member of The Village BBS. Where you and your days are numbered [22:26] no real need to make them the same though [22:26] ah ok [22:26] my monk is far cuter! [22:26] Thought that 15 was the error channel? [22:26] * TerryM (~tmaynor@ip70-178-211-195.ma.dl.cox.net) Quit [22:26] Hiram: Mine is an elven maid. [22:27] Hmmm... [22:27] mine is a cute little fat guy [22:27] (see above link) [22:27] "RP personals: charming SWF (single white friar) seeks SWN (slim witty nun) for catechism, genuflecting and worship. turn ons: communion and sacrament wine. turn offs: protestants." [22:27] iAN, I'm not debating the issue but it was a very old common way of typing the format. Nothing new, just what was in the old manuals. [22:27] lol CDKaiser [22:27] Hiram: Can7t do that in my system. Can he withstand a blessed +4 vorpal blade? [22:27] Nice one, Cameron! [22:27] Gak! [22:27] sure can. He's a virtual monk [22:27] * Hiram nods [22:28] fear his quivering palm... :) [22:28] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-69-76-121-53.wi.rr.com) has left #c64friends [22:28] PhotoJim: Not till he makes 16th Level! [22:28] LR: 15 is both [22:29] Ah, I think I see, was just reading a book today and that is why I remembered it as the error channel. [22:29] Ronin, better be patient ;) [22:29] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6a-215.miamfl.adelphia.net) has joined #c64friends [22:29] Todd! [22:29] * Hiram sighs [22:29] Hi, Todd. [22:29] PhotoJim: only for about 30 minutes. Then I DM a game [22:29] I think 15 just seems to work fine in my humble opinion. [22:30] Hi Todd. [22:30] lol Ronin... well my game is only 3rd level, so patience would be required... :) [22:30] Hoi Eyeth: Promise not to mention that Dungeon prg ;-? [22:30] where is everybody from? [22:30] so calif, Egon [22:30] hey Egon [22:30] Hello, all. [22:30] Prince George B.C. Canada [22:30] LR, my monk is a 3D game character I'm making as part of a graphics competition [22:30] Why is it always from, why not where are people to? [22:30] Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada... [22:30] CDKaiser- Nice preview! [22:30] Hello, BruceT. [22:30] CDKaiser, I used to live in San Diego. [22:30] thanks, Todd :) [22:30] it took a lot of work [22:31] Hi Todd [22:31] Ah I understand better now. Mine is for the original AD&D game. [22:31] Egon, that's where I grew up [22:31] We're all from Prince George, BC? [22:31] my folks still live there [22:31] I'm about an hour away in San Bernardino area [22:31] o yeah hiram! [22:31] LordRonin- Well, I won't mention it, but I'm threatening to fire up a raycaster instead. :) [22:31] didnt u know? [22:31] Visalia, California (south of Fresno) [22:31] CDKaiser, Encinitas, Del Mar, Mira Mesa, Escondido are some places I lived. [22:31] KP, yo. [22:31] but I maintain a vacation home in Prince George, BC ;) [22:31] heya Beata! [22:31] (just kidding) [22:31] CDKaiser, Sweet. [22:31] i got some pics for u beata [22:31] oh [22:31] lol [22:31] Ronin, my game is 2nd Ed. [22:31] * LordRonin with yiddish accent, and I should be knowing what is a raycaster? [22:32] Schweet. Online? [22:32] LR, actually, at the moment I'm feeling like poor white trash inlaws that showed up uninvited to an embassy ball. [22:32] LordRonin- A raycaster is basically a '3D' environment like Castle Wolfenstein 3-D. [22:32] La Mesa, Ego [22:32] er, Egon [22:32] that's where I grew up [22:32] ah. [22:32] LR, raycaster, a software engine for displaying pseudo-3D games such as the original DOOM [22:32] my dad's veterinary practise is down in Spring Valley [22:32] Beata: http://www.members.shaw.ca/c64/ [22:32] I used to live in Riverside. It's nice, except for the smog being trapped there. :( [22:33] snog? [22:33] Ah but does it work on the C=? Or is it for that heretic platform? [22:33] * Hiram lives in Oklahoma City [22:33] La Mesa is alot like Mira Mesa except closer to Mexico and more 'Cholo'. [22:33] hahah. [22:33] Hmmm. Smog. [22:33] eh, I dunno [22:33] * LordRonin Wet Astoria Oregon [22:33] LR, a raycaster will work on any platform, just a question of how well... [22:33] Chula Juana, er, Vista is more that way ^_^ [22:33] Eyeth, LordRonin uses only Commodore or Amiga computers (mostly Commodore) [22:33] someone in #c-64 , I think, wrote one for the C64 [22:33] LordRonin- Well, I see no reason why a raycaster would work on a SuperCPU. Someone has to program it, though! A program called Mood, for stock c64, comes pretty close! [22:33] ahaha true. [22:33] Speaking of working on the C=, does PSID64 work on the C=? [22:33] Amiga is commodore [22:33] He probably doesn't know what Wolfenstein 3D is really. [22:34] All new to me Eyeth [22:34] Actually, Todd, Mood really is a true raycaster [22:34] #8, do have Caslte Wolfenstein in the collection [22:34] Nether is a gigantic hack that happens to be playable, and I freely admit it ^_^ but Mood really does do proper raycasting [22:34] Really? Cool. I thought the demo crew was up to their usual tricks. [22:34] no, it's for real [22:34] DOOM has been ported to almost everything. including cell phones [22:34] OK then can someone sent it to me on a 41,71,81? [22:34] Castle Wolfenstein and Wolfenstein 3D is two different environments [22:35] Nether cuts a lot of corners, even Nether G-II [22:35] * beata_ snerks [22:35] * KilrPilr wants doom for his cell phone! [22:35] wild* is correct there [22:35] but clever level design gets around that [22:35] LordRonin- Just have someone download Mood for you. You'll be surprised. [22:35] Despite the name simularity - they are basically different games [22:35] CDKaiser- Yeah, I thought Mood did that just to run on a stock c64. Nice to know differently! [22:35] Hey Kilr. My son has a B-Ball tourney in Prince George the first week of January. I'm not going to make the trip. [22:35] Where can I find it? Can DL it with Lynx or Wave [22:35] aww too bad bruce! [22:35] um, let me find a URL for you, LR [22:35] Much Appreciated CK [22:35] you could come over and see my mess... I mean commodore collection! [22:36] ah, here we go [22:36] http://noname.c64.org/mood/ [22:36] try that, LR [22:36] raycasting is a type of 3d graphics rendering often used in some of the Amiga 3-D simulations and the sort. [22:37] Thanks wrote it down and will try to score it up. [22:37] where and when is the next c-64 expo? [22:37] Eyeth: About that Dungeon prg and me not mentioning it....I lied [22:37] I'm in Edmonton, Alberta so we have the 3 Western Provinces represented here tonight. [22:37] Commodore Show - Netherlands next weekend. [22:37] * beata_ ponders.. [22:37] Bruce, I get to Edmonton occasionally. [22:38] LordRonin- Heh. [22:38] it's a shame you can't see my little monk :( He was originally drawn on an amiga. [22:38] (2d) [22:38] Egon, if you are extraordinarily lucky - you might be in the neighborhood. [22:38] PhotoJim, you'll have to let me know when you come this way next time. [22:38] What did you save the file as, Jim W.? [22:39] I had a guy in Regina offer me his C= system [22:39] Hiram: send the Amiga pic to alberonn@qwest.net. He is our Amiga guy [22:39] I surely will Bruce. [22:39] how recently, Bruce? [22:39] * Hiram scratches his head [22:39] in IFF format? [22:40] Ah, no problem! The Commodore can take IFF's through use of Godot. [22:40] Hiram if the Amiga can see it. Might be able to convert it to a C= thing, through GoDot. [22:40] Cupla months back. I'm just trying to find the e-mail. [22:40] RobertB, I have the pic in iff, jpg, and gif somewheres, probably. that link above had it in a message thread, but LR doesn't do PCs... [22:40] * snuffles (na@user-38lc4tk.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [22:40] Bruce, if he still has it I'd rescue it from him. [22:40] hello snuffles [22:40] Hi, Snuffles. [22:41] Hiram: What no GeoPaint or Koala or Blazing Paddles or Flexi Draw?? [22:41] Hoi snuffles [22:41] Commodore can take IFF's, JPG's, and GIF's. [22:41] LR, I've Koala paint and tablet for my 128 [22:41] I'll ask him PhotoJim. [22:42] hell, if I dig through my old disks, I might even have some art I did. [22:42] thanks Bruce. [22:42] * antigen (na@user-38lc4j0.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:42] on the c64 I mean [22:42] Hiram: i do most things in Blazing Paddles. Then use Autograph to convert to Koala, for demo and intro screens. [22:42] That would be good Hiram. i need Koala art for the BBs in the GG style [22:42] * Fuzz-PSW (~cadnet@205.211.60.153) has joined #c64friends [22:43] beata: did you check out the pics? [22:43] It's kinda hard to make these out, KP. [22:43] Hoi Fuzz-PSW [22:43] hey, Fuzz [22:43] lol [22:43] howdy everyone [22:43] zoom in [22:43] They're still downloading though. [22:43] hey fuzzy [22:43] Hi, Fuzz. [22:43] BruceT: The EMAIL is on the way now... [22:43] fuxxy [22:43] allo [22:43] I mean, there's like portions of four or five cards in some of the images. ;) [22:44] GG style? [22:44] yeha u just gotta move around the pics [22:44] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.198.55.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [22:44] they are all there [22:44] Hehe. Might have to try overlaying the pics so I can see all of a card at once. [22:45] Hiram: That is the compressed style. The GG prefixes the name of the image. Easy to have for U/D on the board. Rather than trying to make the spade symbol [22:45] I've got that Godot program to convert to Koala. I'll dig through my disks soon and see if I still have anything [22:45] anyone here in the eastern timezone? [22:45] * Snogpitch is EST [22:45] Thanks MikeP [22:45] Snog is in EST. [22:45] Re: Autograph, FuzzyFox is still on the net. I talk to him on ICQ sometimes :) [22:46] fuzz: yeah, the Australian EST, hehe [22:46] Hiram: I have to DL the site stuf again from GoDot. Missed somany updates. [22:46] Me, too, LR. [22:46] Snogpitch: what time is it??? my computer thinks it's 9:45, my clock thinks it's 10:45 and my watch thinks its 11:45 :/ [22:46] MikeP :P [22:46] it's 10:46 [22:46] try typing /time [22:46] lol [22:46] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6a-215.miamfl.adelphia.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:46] ok thanks :P [22:46] It's amazing that Arndt still keeps pumping out new/updated modules for GoDot after so long. [22:46] Pnacolda/RobertB Like to hear from him about Autograph and anything else he has done for the C=. Might see if he would do an interview for Scene World [22:47] its 7:45 pm here [22:47] you're still on daylight time, Fuzz :) [22:47] RobertB: HAVE U MET kARL HILDEN BEFORE? [22:47] oops [22:47] KilrPilr: you're from west of here I guess :) [22:47] Yes, Arndt, still keeps on going. I keep forgetting to advertise his latest update. [22:47] No, Leo. [22:47] PhotoJim: I'm on 3 different times :P [22:48] LR: I'll ask him the next time I bump into him. :) [22:48] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6a-215.miamfl.adelphia.net) has joined #c64friends [22:48] Thansk Snog: I tried that. Says 19:47:06 and it is Saturday. Now my info bar says that it is Sunday and 02:18pm. The time at Videocam. [22:48] Hmm.. It's 7:48 pm here. ;) [22:48] Howdy Eyeth [22:48] Hi, Todd. [22:48] RobertB: He was the editor of transactor magazine [22:48] RobertB: he is an awesome guy! [22:48] * MikeP thinks Karl Hildon rocks... He signed my copy of Inner Space Anthology [22:49] Appreciated Pnacolada, it is OK to give him my e-mail addy. [22:49] * Snogpitch sits back down, irc lesson done for the day :) [22:49] when he sent it by mail that is, i didnt meet him [22:49] Hoi Eyeth... about that prg...;-/ [22:49] What is your email addy, LR? I keep losing it. [22:49] lordronin@videocam.net.au or lordronin@sceneworld64.de [22:49] MikeP: mine too but i got it in person! :P [22:50] night. [22:50] * WhiteFlam (WhiteFlame@ip68-231-29-171.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [22:50] cya egon [22:50] BCNU egon [22:50] Howdy WhiteFlam [22:50] Anyone have their DTV's? Anyone here IRC'ing on a DTV right now? :) [22:50] * Egon (~john@dialup-4.237.47.22.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:50] hey, Dave! [22:50] Hoi WhiteClam [22:50] y0 [22:50] * Moloch_ (moloch@67.183.23.210) has joined #c64friends [22:50] -id [22:50] trouble's here... [22:50] Howdy Moloch_ [22:50] Hey [22:50] erm... hi Moloch :P [22:50] howdy, Moloch [22:50] Fuzzy [22:50] oops make that WhiteFlam [22:50] I'll have to lace those pics together for a better look, KP. [22:50] Hey CDK [22:50] Hoi Moloch [22:50] Good Evening [22:50] Hi, Moloch. [22:51] LordConan :) [22:51] Hey RB [22:51] I deserved that one ;-? [22:51] And finish rescanning mine maybe.. [22:51] :? [22:51] * WhiteFlam is now known as WhiteFlan [22:52] * Oldbit (~Oldbitcol@acs-24-239-255-32.zoominternet.net) has joined #c64friends [22:52] LordRonin- I read your ComputerEyes article in Scene World #13. Kinda odd to see a GEOS related article in a C64 demoscene diskmag. :) [22:52] Howdy Oldbit [22:52] ph34r my gelatinousness! [22:52] Evening all.. [22:52] Hiram: was that a request for term diffintion of my smiley? [22:52] hi oldbit [22:52] Hi, Jeff. [22:52] hey jeff [22:52] KilrPilr: http://dalhagen.homelinux.net/~beata/Apple2/ are my cards so far. [22:52] wildflame! [22:52] hi, Jeff [22:52] Lr, nope. just one I hadn't seen before [22:52] killar! [22:52] staaar! [22:52] So with the demise of the UCUGA Newsletter, what other regular Newsletters are there ????????????????/ [22:52] WhiteFlam, I was able to see what you were talking about with the Geotrope demo [22:52] I just didn't have the screen big enough to see that raster line [22:52] Eyeth: That is the point of SceneWorld. Cut accross NTSC/PAl and all levels and interests. Not just Demo Scene things. [22:53] beata: cool! [22:53] CDKaiser: nothing earth shattering, but would look a lot more polished if it were fixed [22:53] little bit annoyed because Power64 in PAL didn't show it, so I thought I'd done the raster correctly [22:53] * Moloch_ is now known as JonMines [22:53] Earl Williams does a really good job on The Infinite Loop [22:53] beata: bet you are dyin to have my cards eh? [22:53] MikeP- The UCUGA is still ongoing. For two more issues, that is. :) [22:53] Hiram: Old one I found in a listing. Means smiley smokes a pipe. [22:53] WhiteFlam: yes, likewise [22:53] u can have them for 1 mealion dollaires [22:53] muhhahahaa [22:53] otherwise, how did you like it? [22:53] BruceT: Absolutely, just got the issue today of infinite Loop [22:53] I don't know what they are.. except I think one's a II+ memory expansion. [22:53] Hey Todd. Only one more left. The second to last is getting printed and mailed as we type. [22:54] cant u zoom in on em? [22:54] CDKaiser- I did see the 'flickering' under winVICE w/ Geotrope, but it really didn't detract from the preview. [22:54] The MaiLink from Meeting 64/128 Users Through the Mail can provide some itneresting reading at times. [22:54] BruceT- Cool. [22:54] I hacked my DTV to work in 20 mhz mode. its soo awesome [22:54] does anyone here know how to build lightsaber ? [22:54] * golan (~golan@CPE0030bd488c05-CM000a73a9693f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [22:54] yeah, it just annoys me personally since I went to great lengths in the raster driver and thought I had it solved [22:54] Howdy golan [22:54] 20 MHZ ??????????????????????? [22:55] Bruce: Will any of the contributers from the UCUGA be going over to Infinate Loop? [22:55] CML for January has a few articles of interest. In fact more than i can fit in the 20 pages. Yeah I'm doing the January issue [22:55] Possibly Mike. [22:55] Hi, Golan. [22:55] Good evening. [22:55] KilrPilr: you too? r00lz, doesn't it? :) [22:55] Hoi golan [22:55] How'd you do that Kilr - spill the beans [22:55] what I might do is toss in a few more NOPs and pad it out [22:55] o yeah wildflame [22:55] hopefully that won't freak out NTSC mode [22:55] I mean that is your guts [22:55] I loathe returning to the IRC almost as much as I do the Usenet but Leif (et al) have convinced me. [22:55] CDKaiser: yep, that's what the border's for ;) [22:55] I'm already writing for Infinite Loop. [22:55] lol [22:55] WhiteFlam: heheh ^_^ [22:56] hello golan [22:56] i just criss crossed the wires until my oscope said 20 mhz [22:56] Roberts first part of the SWARP Expo appears in this issue. [22:56] why do you loathe irc? [22:56] here's hoping I don't overshoot, eh? [22:56] eh? [22:56] I KNEW IT! [22:56] and whammo! [22:56] Cam is a secret canuck! [22:56] Yes, but can he say aboot? [22:56] A little more than that - what wires did you criss-cross [22:56] hmm] [22:56] we shall see [22:56] CDKaiser: so how much Evangelionesque styling will be in the game? :) [22:56] gayraj [22:57] aboot is a great word :) [22:57] i want Rei in it :) [22:57] Ok, so there seems to be two newsletters to choose from.. Infinate Loop and the one Lord Ronin manages, hmmm, which one !!! [22:57] Anyone here use LUnix before? [22:57] I think it is mostly an Eastern Canadian word. Us folks out west don't talk like that. [22:57] lol, Rei? I'm a Asuka Langley guy myself [22:57] I like steak [22:57] first i had to decople the address lines after i heated and removed the epoxy globules [22:57] but in answer to your question, this will not be the only cutscene, no ^_^ [22:57] Oldbit, nope. considered it. [22:57] ok, some Misato? [22:58] I could compromise on Misato :) [22:58] What was the the oscilliscope reading before you criss-crossed wires (wires ???) ? [22:58] CDKaiser: the dialogue and chars reminded me a lot of Shinji & Asuka [22:58] gone for Misato then :D [22:58] WhiteFlam: ironically, most of their character ideas came from Ah! My Goddess and Ranma 1/2 [22:58] CDKaiser: You need to put a drip animation in there somewhere :) [22:58] once they were open for hacking i soldered on some 10 gauge solid core copper wires to pins 2,4,5,7,8,9,and 13 [22:58] of the asic [22:58] MikeP: In honesty, Infinite look is in booklet form and Earl uses a large about of colour in bith the pages and pictures. The Commodore MaiLink is for members of the MTTM. 20 pages average at 8 1/2" x 11". [22:59] * CDKaiser laughs [22:59] I use to spend far too much time in the IRC. When I stopped chatting incessantly, I discovered I had time for all kinds of other things. [22:59] Enough negativity. I'm glad to be here. [22:59] Hi golan! [22:59] Glad to have you here. [22:59] then crossed them over to pins 4,7,8,9,10,14,16,17,19 and 21 of the rom chip [22:59] :D [22:59] it worked a treat [22:59] I think I would need to do something of the sort myself but have a switch that will switch between normal and 20 MHz. [22:59] I guess last weekend's expo got my mojo going. It was nice seeing old friends and making new ones. [23:00] hajimema... er, nice to meet you, golan ;) (still in anime mode) [23:00] LR, what machine you using right now? [23:00] * JoeCommod (~Larry_And@64.174.30.242) has joined #c64friends [23:00] The CML is in black and white. Articles are from the membership. Covering assorted topics of interest. Editors use everything from Psot Pritn through TWS to make the issues. [23:00] EXPOs are good for that. [23:00] KilrPilr: I used pins 6,7,8 instead of 4,7,8,9 and it worked, too [23:00] wb, Larry [23:00] MikeP- I subscribe to MUTTM. It's a nice newsletter, containing useful info/articles at times. It generally seems to cater to stock CBM users than the leading edge crowd, though. [23:00] hello Joe Commode [23:00] After more than 10 years, I finally met Jim Brain. Weird. [23:00] Hey Brain: Have you got a linux machine running that is C= login compatible? [23:00] Lord: What is MTTM and is there somewhere i can read up on it, a web page perhaps? [23:00] Joe Commode? [23:00] yikes [23:00] My question then is - HOW the F*** you were able to solder to the pins ???? [23:00] wild*, he's good, obviously [23:00] * MikeP wonders if anyone has a link for Infinte Loop ? [23:00] WhiteFlan: Wow I didnt think of that but yeha i can see that would work now as the exrom line really doesnt need to be held high [23:00] Eyeth: Yes that is a problem I have to address, by consenus of the other officers in this upcoming issue. [23:01] I think I do MikeP. [23:01] It's joe commodore CK. Darn truncating. [23:01] i used a 12 micron needle tip solder iron [23:01] KilrPilr: nope. And putting a loopback on that inverter gives almost a perfect 20Mhz clock generator [23:01] 1/10 the diameter of a 0.7mm pencil lead. [23:01] Bruce: Thanks [23:01] yeah, but he added on the E ^_^ [23:01] MikeP- As for Infinite Loop, it's a slickly produced (tons of color!) publication containing a mix of articles, tips, etc. [23:01] <_brain_> back [23:01] dont use the 13 micron as even though its cheaper than the 12 it is way harder to use [23:01] good, I was going through brain withdrawal [23:01] brains ... braaaaaaaaains ... [23:01] Hmmmmm, might look into both if the total isn't too expensive [23:01] rehi Brain [23:01] Hey Brain: Have you got a linux machine running that is C= login compatible? [23:02] However, the Infinite Loop seems to be produced on 'modern' PC's, when I favor the UCUGA/MUTTM approach of publishing Commodore info from Commodore 8-bitters. [23:02] MikeP: I don't have the url at hand. But it is hosted through videocam should be a link there. All I remember for Infinite Loop is that it is through earl-ydesigns [23:02] WhiteFlan: isnt that unreal!? Jeri is brilliant to have incorporated that into it [23:02] Infinite Loop here - not much info - http://www.earl-ydesigns.com/InfiniteLoop/comminfo.html [23:02] <_brain_> Hehe, the Atari FLashback people are really mad that the flashback is a NES on a chip and the DTV is the real deal [23:02] haha. [23:02] KilrPilr: yep, though I don't know if she actually realized the application, but she did leave the possibility open [23:02] I was almost going to get a Flashback [23:02] <_brain_> OldBit yes. [23:02] then I heard about that, laughed, and put away my credit card [23:02] <_brain_> telnet... [23:02] Eyeth: That is a rule for the CML. Must be done on and with C= items. [23:02] * beata (~beata@c-67-171-224-14.client.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:02] brain:trying to duplicate the PALM ethernet connection... [23:02] thanks bruce [23:03] What about Ms. Pacman joystick? That one looks nice, but is it also a NES core on a stick? [23:03] <_brain_> k [23:03] I need to take my thinnest sewing needle and sharpen it to very fine point with a microscope possibly. [23:03] Jim B., how do you know that the Atari Flashback people are mad? [23:03] I think so, Eyeth [23:03] he's a Brain. He knows Everything. ;) [23:03] Plus, all Jims are very, very wise. [23:03] Wildstar: Jeweler's tools are good for that [23:03] hello brain [23:03] I want my DTV... [23:03] Wildstar: but they do get pricey [23:04] Wildstar: dont bother with that.. just head over to you local fred meyers and get the 12 micron iron [23:04] <_brain_> Jim = Wisdom... [23:04] save yourself the time and aggravation [23:04] Got my DTV Thurs, the bottom has 041105 if anyone's keeping track. [23:04] :D [23:04] LordRonin, what computer are you using atm? [23:04] my local Fred Meyers (ROFLMFAO) [23:04] <_brain_> RoberB: www.atariage.com/forums [23:04] PhotoJim, does this mean I'm going to have to change my name? [23:04] Am I the only one that noticed that the most popular of Jim's WoC Expo pictures are the ones with Jeri? [23:04] LORD: Is there a web page with information about MTTM ???? [23:04] Hiram: Commodore 128D with Wheels and Wwave 128 [23:04] brain- Nice observation about the company making the DTV's reverting back to Commodore's old manufacturing ways. :) [23:04] Hiram, well, we can make you an honourary Jim. [23:04] * Hiram sucks up all the "stupid" so the rest of the Jims can be wise [23:05] <_brain_> Oldbit, let me know when you need a login... [23:05] How big is 12 micron anyway? [23:05] k [23:05] <_brain_> Why can;t you just try to telnet to Leif's BBS [23:05] I hope my C=DTV's are as perfect as Jeri intends them to be! [23:05] LR, cool. SCPU? [23:05] * RobinH (MacbthPSW@vickesh01-6921.tbaytel.net) has joined #c64friends [23:05] a micron is 1/1000 mm... [23:05] Robin! [23:05] hey Robin [23:05] Howdy RobinH [23:05] Hello Robin [23:05] man, it's a regular Arkanix corporate convention in here [23:05] heya Robin [23:05] * beata_ boggles [23:05] Well Leo, post it up on a website. [23:05] Evening Robin [23:05] hey yo all :) [23:05] Hi Robin [23:06] This weekend is a bit of a let down after last. I guess I'll have to start going to all the expos. [23:06] Hello, RobinH. [23:06] golan: why is it a letdown? [23:06] Well, the Flashback people had their chance to have Jeri in their corner, but they dropped the ball. [23:06] Freddy's has such a thing? [23:06] MikeP: Through videocam, as it is at the moment. If you want fuller information. Contact LinTanner She is our president. [23:06] Hi, Robin. [23:06] LORD: Thanks for that. [23:06] <_brain_> Dropped the ball? [23:06] Hello Robin [23:06] <_brain_> Jakks? [23:06] Cameron, Dustin, golan, Leo, Bruce, Joe, Todd, Robert, all :) [23:06] I feel a disturbance in the force... oh, Hi Rayz! [23:07] lol, greets list to get on irc :) [23:07] Brain: yeah, they wanted Jeri to do the design but they had one requirement she objected to [23:07] MikeP - check here for MaiLink - http://mailink.videocam.net.au/ [23:07] Wildstar:post what? [23:07] MikeP- http://mailink.videocam.net.au/ [23:07] bruce: Thanks :) [23:07] what requirement was that? [23:07] MikeP: That should read Linda Tanner. I suspect that you can scroll through the listings at videocam for the webpage for the MTTM. But I haven't done it for a couple of years :-( [23:07] * MikeP thanks all those for the links [23:07] If you are talking about the reborn Atari 7800, yes, they failed to lure Jeri. [23:07] post how you manage to hack the DTV to 20 MHz. [23:07] on a website. [23:08] <_brain_> And the requirement was? [23:08] http://www.ebaumsworld.com/supercoolpicillusion.html [23:08] Snog: Jeri said earlier they didnt want to pay up front, they wanted her to develop the product first and then they would pay her once it was done [23:08] Fuzz: I got very little sleep last weekend and was on a Commodore high (it might have a sugar buzz from the Commodore cake) the likes of which I haven't experienced in years. [23:08] if not in the Forum [23:08] actually i kinda cheated on it Wildstar [23:08] * Oldbit is now known as OB_BRB [23:08] soldering [23:08] i used a 33 mhx dx intel chip and hard wired it to the core [23:08] the bastids [23:08] In other words, they didn't agree to Jeri's price. [23:08] golan: aha! you were at WoC then? [23:08] Well, I'm glad Jeri did the C=DTV! [23:09] sounds like a rip-off they were attempting [23:09] Jeri is cool! [23:09] golan: Fuzz and I were there [23:09] Robert: Jeri said they weren't sure she could do it [23:09] hm. nobody followed my link. I can tell because nobody said "holy shjt" [23:09] Hmmm.... KilrPilr [23:09] KilrPilr: I was actually getting a Transmeta VLIW translator for 6502 to work, but it blows way past 20MHz [23:09] CHEATER!!!!!!! [23:09] Shows how much they know, MikeP. [23:09] WhiteFlan: so how did you detune it? [23:09] Robin: I was the guy with the iBook. We chatted... [23:09] Hiram: saw that before. way k00l [23:10] As Jeri says, it would have been "a piece of cake". [23:10] Jeri did it the cooler way !!!!! [23:10] KilrPilr: it's all in the Transmeta dev docs [23:10] it is. would love to see a "making of" of that flash anim [23:10] golan: yeah, cool :) [23:10] sweet [23:10] I am *terrible* with names but I met lots of people. :) [23:10] Robert: Exactly. As I said to Jeri I hope very much they look at the excellent work she did on the DTV and think long and hard about what they missed out on. [23:10] boy, I bet Infocrap .. er, Atari is kicking themselves now [23:10] WhiteFlan: I happen to have a copy right here! [23:10] Well, thanks to the success of the C=DTV, Jeri has built up a little bit of credibility that will enable her to negotiate better terms in future retro hardware development work. :) [23:10] I'm bad with names too, but I'm sure I didn't meet a "golan" :) [23:10] So did QVC sell out now? [23:10] <_Six_> So did someone boost their DTV, or are you guys just yanking chains? [23:10] And for Jeri's sake I hope they decide to do a second version and this time come crawling to her for the design, on her terms [23:11] at twice the price [23:11] * JonMines is now known as Moloch [23:11] Hiram: First time I saw that and it's downright freaky. [23:11] KilrPilr: cool, load up the VHDL languages toolkit and see how the x86 maps the clock cycles to the reconfigurable sub-arrays (not the full arrays) [23:11] all we need now is the Plus4DTV [23:11] PETDTV! [23:11] Jeri said she has access to the original Atari chip designs, that will also be a big incentive for any retro atari projects of the future [23:11] Kilr is yanking our chains a little. [23:11] hello Moloch [23:11] hey, _Six_, did you run my timingtest on the DTV yet? [23:11] KIM-1 DTV !!! [23:11] I'm amazed how many C64DTVs have been sold (I'm going by the figures Jim posted earlier this week in c.s.c). I had no idea there was this much interest. [23:11] Heh. Let's not jinx the Commodore 'resurrection' with the Plus4 blight. :) [23:11] Oooo, with Plus 4 PAL games?!!! ;-) [23:11] nah, TV CALCULATOR!!!1! [23:11] <_Six_> Not yet. I probably will b4 the night is out, tho. I'm too lazy to go upstairs right now. [23:12] we already had the TV Typewriter, so we can't do that again [23:12] WhiteFlan: I will do that. im so excited! [23:12] and the TV Games already connected to the TV [23:12] golan: 95% are just moms and grandmas buying it for kids [23:12] who have very little idea of what the 64 is [23:12] who cares, as long as it sells [23:12] Say, does anyone here buy an SX-64 at the expo? I am trying to find out who I sold mine to so I can make sure everything is okay and they're happy with the purchase. [23:12] SX-64DTV (A DTV in a miniture SX-64-ish case with a CF slot) [23:12] <_Six_> Sadly enough, in PAL Land, a Speccy DTV would prob. sell. [23:12] I would think the KIM unit would be the easiest to emulate; It is all TTL logic? No custom chips, right? [23:12] WhiteFlan: are u saying that i could possibly squeeze 50mhz out of a 6502? [23:12] I should have made notes. [23:12] DTV Commdore WATCH! [23:12] no, Eyeth, the 6530 RIOTs are custom [23:12] Yeah, built in LCD screen [23:12] . [23:13] they have mask ROM in them [23:13] KilrPilr: not out of a 6502, but out of a Transmeta hardware remapping [23:13] er, 6532 RIOTs, sorry [23:13] ah, ok. [23:13] Six: Not this PAL land, Speccy was a dirty ( and mostly unknown ) word! [23:13] If my mother and grandmother send me C64DTVs for Christmas, I'll be a very happy camper. [23:13] * beata_ woots at Transmeta [23:13] I'd hate to see a KIM unit bite the bucket; The custom chips are basically unreplaceable then! :( [23:13] * golan fears he'll get more pants [23:13] oops, I was right the first time (I got my KIM-1 down and looked) [23:14] it's 6530 [23:14] Well, let's hope WDC gets the Terbium into production in 2006 [23:14] same problem though [23:14] * golan is embarrassed to tell his family that his waistsize is increasing at the same pace as my age... [23:14] WhiteFlan: ah ok. I missed the point then [23:14] golan: drink more ber, won't help the waistlaine, just the emabarresment [23:15] WhiteFlan: btw, in answer to your post -- the game will have the same resolution and lighting palette as Nether, it just will move quite a bit faster and more smoothly [23:15] ber: it's not just for breakfast anymore [23:15] Nah. The beer goggles will enable you to see yourself as a svelte, suave womanizer, albeit stumbling a little! :) [23:15] Excellent thinking! [23:15] Time to go, might be back later.... bye [23:15] * MikeP is now known as MikePaWay [23:15] Bye, MikeP. [23:15] WhiteFlan: not quite like Scarabaeus because it's texture mapped and Scarabeaus isn't ^_^ [23:15] bye mikep [23:15] G'night Mike. [23:15] fungus got 4 dtv's! [23:15] CDKaiser: will the overlays still be 40x25? [23:15] Cameron: I enjoyed your game intro today [23:15] spoiled brat! [23:15] I guess that's better than 4 DTVs getting fungus. ;) [23:15] :D [23:15] I've got 4 DTVs now too [23:15] <_brain_> As did I (4 DTVs) [23:15] WhiteFlan: yes [23:16] lol PhotoJim [23:16] lol [23:16] oh yeah, Robin? [23:16] KilrPilr: fungus now has 8 dtv's i think :) [23:16] And I only ordered two... [23:16] what?! [23:16] real 64 or on an emulator? [23:16] how?? who?? [23:16] <_brain_> What does Fungus need with units? [23:16] I ordered five myself, Leo ^_^ [23:16] whoa! [23:16] fungus ordered 4 i believe but they sent him 8 [23:16] well now i see why qvc sold out! [23:16] they arrived a couple days ago [23:16] i *think* [23:16] CDKaiser: ah, I thought that you could use charset gfx to make overlays yet still not clash with the 40x25 background [23:16] <_brain_> So far, 14 units have been sent here, but not all for me [23:16] I only have two. [23:16] <_Six_> Yeah, well... I only have two, but... [23:16] he must have ordered 4 of the two packs [23:17] I think DTVs multiply if you leave them in the dark together [23:17] I may order more, but I'll wait until after Xmas. [23:17] WhiteFlan: no, that's exactly what I'm doing [23:17] I just sent a message to Harro. [23:17] ah, cool [23:17] RobinH- Gremlins! :) [23:17] <_Six_> :) [23:17] WhiteFlan: if I tried one of the fill-with-$f0 tricks, then I can't overlay, of course [23:17] Robin: yea and dont pour water on them! that could be dastardly! [23:17] telling him that I got 4 DTVs. [23:17] <_brain_> I jsut sent my 14th msg to Harro. [23:17] RobinH: did you view the demo on a real 64, or on an emulator? [23:17] whats a harro? [23:17] WhiteFlan; well, not without a lot of work [23:17] I was only supposed to keep 2 for myself, but the British and German people who wanted theirs haven't recontacted me. [23:17] Must split out now, dinner and the gamers are here. See you during the week and next saturday. [23:17] ...fill with $f0 trick... (?) [23:18] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-139-168-206-69.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:18] cya LR [23:18] I guess that means I have 4 now. [23:18] <_brain_> RobertB, I'll send a mail to Harro for you. [23:18] bye LR! [23:18] WhiteFlan: yeah, where you fill hi-res with $f0, and then you can make it 40x50 by using the background and foreground colours as "pixels" [23:18] Why, Jim B.? [23:18] . [23:18] Cameron: just in VICE, sorry :) [23:18] 80x25 you mean [23:19] er, yeah ^_^ 80x25 [23:19] MOOD does that [23:19] <_brain_> Dunno, W* seems to think Harro wants to know we've bought them. [23:19] Err, I don't e-mail someone just out of the blue without a proper introduction. [23:19] <_Six_> Heh. cblast would make that 80x200. [23:19] How does one start some of the games in the DIR like BMX?? [23:19] RobinH: glad you enjoyed it and watch for more to come :) ... I will fix the raster issue on PAL that Dave pointed out though [23:20] -id [23:20] David :) [23:20] oh, fine [23:20] David ;) [23:20] wildflame! [23:20] killarstar! [23:20] hot hot! [23:20] lol [23:20] star of greater killaring! [23:21] did anyone do the ddr ram hack in the dtv yet? [23:21] Does anyone here need/want a Gmail invite? [23:21] I hear they have an IDE hookup now, actually, Leo [23:21] I also gave him a holiday greatings. I probably wouldn't suggest everyone to tell him that they got them. [23:21] *wearing tinfoil hat* Nah. I don't want Gmail. :) [23:21] KilrPilr: no, every other phase of my DDR clock was off for some reason [23:22] <_Six_> Er, I take that back, it would be 80x25 with one shared color per cell instead of two. [23:22] I've run out but my friend has five left so I thought I'd offer them up. [23:22] _Six_ Are there any screenshots for your DTV programs? [23:22] why is that, _Six_? [23:22] cblast = blitting to colorram? [23:22] CDKaiser: cool [23:22] <_Six_> cblast = using dma to write to the palette. [23:23] yeah, you just have to intercept some of the lines off the Flash ROM [23:23] <_Six_> eyeth: only two so far, but tons of source and prgs for you to run on your DTV. see http://thedarkside.ath.cx/dtv [23:24] <_Six_> All with source code, btw. [23:24] What assembler do you use? [23:24] <_Six_> Mostly obvious stuff so far, kind of "duh" material for most of you. [23:24] <_Six_> DASM [23:24] <_Six_> Converts well to TASM. [23:24] Ah well. Wouldn't you mind giving ca65 a try? :) [23:24] Six - Carcass is interested in helping with graphics - speaking with him now [23:25] graphics? [23:26] * Carcass (~Carcass@c-24-126-174-179.we.client2.attbi.com) has joined #c64friends [23:26] Hello [23:26] speak of the devil and he will appear :) [23:26] Hi, Carcass. [23:26] <_Six_> :) I've never tried it. Moloch - Graphics are welcome, I may have a group affiliation to bow to now, though. [23:26] _Six_ Did you create the graphics yourself by pixeling? Or converting? If so, what convertor did you use? A custom Perl script? [23:26] Six, it be cool to have screenshots of the DTV demos [23:26] hi Carcass [23:26] Yo Carcass [23:26] <_Six_> Which gfx? The 1bpp bitmaps? [23:26] Hi carcass [23:26] Six - Joined a group, eh? [23:26] <_Six_> I stripped the first 54 bytes off of 1bpp BMP's. [23:26] The giant bitmap you supposedly created? [23:27] Ah, pretty simple! [23:27] hello Carcass [23:27] * RandomAct (~RandomAct@12-221-207-206.client.insightBB.com) has joined #c64friends [23:27] <_Six_> Yeah, the same concept should apply all across. [23:27] yo, Random [23:27] Hi, Random. [23:28] Hello all [23:28] RND() [23:28] so what would act be, then, Robin? [23:28] Hello Random [23:28] Hi RandomAct [23:29] Cameron: Couldn't think of anything :) [23:29] lol ;) [23:29] RND(.)? :) [23:29] <_Six_> W*: run them and make shots, then :) [23:30] I don't have a digital camera in my setup of equipment. [23:30] or a video-capture card. [23:30] Ok, I don't have much time but I have to share [23:30] it's 10:33 here [23:30] I found some of those old Christmas demo disks [23:31] and loaded them on the ol' 128 for a party [23:31] here too Hiram. what a coincidence... ;) [23:31] Very Cool [23:32] * _dW (deew@tidbit.globalpc.net) has joined #c64friends [23:32] Original C= Xmas demo, and the "Jingle Disk" I bought way back when [23:32] which Christmas disks? [23:32] yo, Adrian [23:32] Hi, dW. [23:32] <_dW> woah... quite a crowd [23:32] Howdy _dW [23:32] RandomAct- Do you have the Jingle Disk? That one is pretty nice. [23:32] that's what I play every year [23:32] The original Commdore demos [23:32] um, but not with the Rocky bit, you know [23:32] <_dW> allo everyone [23:32] ineedapizzaquick and mylexacrossed [23:32] PhotoJim, it must be 10:34 whereever Jims are [23:32] I liked the demos from Q-Link, Twisted Xmas and the more traditional ones. [23:32] Jingle disk is cool too [23:32] I made a floppy of C64 Christmas carols once. I think it got onto the net somewhere. [23:32] ah, Jingle Disk [23:33] I've heard of the Palm ethernet demo. [23:33] er christmas disks... [23:33] <_brain_> bbiab, Hiram [23:33] got bumped :( [23:33] Eyeth: although I improved it -- it now loads from any device number, and I added on some additional code to handle unpacking and the like [23:33] damn :( [23:33] wb, Snog [23:33] rehi Snoggy [23:33] JoeC, that's where I got em! [23:33] Totally cool [23:34] I didn't know the Jingle disk was that complicated. I thought it was a simple endeavor. [23:34] They rock [23:34] Too bad I sold it on eBay quite some time ago. [23:34] Robertb: trying to duplicate it here, but I seem to have hit a wall [23:34] Jingle is a very nice demonstration [23:34] * Snogpitch (snogpitch@dialup-4.224.18.76.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) Quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Snoggy))) [23:34] it even has a Christmas card maker [23:34] . [23:34] I even made Christmas cards with it one year :) [23:34] Jingle just needs somewhat quicker loading between scenes [23:34] CDKaiser- Have you tried DreamLoader? It sounds more flexible, can accommodate 1581's and FD's. [23:34] Everyone freaks when I tell them that my 128 is 20 years old [23:34] lemme know when brain gets back [23:34] * Snoggy is now known as Snogpitch [23:34] Eyeth: it blanks the screen, though [23:34] how old do they expect it to be? [23:35] I don't think they expect it to be able to do anything. Looking for punch cards... [23:35] i think one of the carts i got from ron anderson is a commodore prototype [23:35] If I wasn't busy with something else, making a quick-loading Jingle Disk would be a great Dec. project [23:35] <_dW> what's a Jingle Disk again? :) [23:35] Yes, people don't know what to say when I tell them I'm using such an old computer. [23:35] OB: What kind of problem are you having? I saw the demo (they used my notebook in lieu of an ethernet cable...) [23:35] Real punch cards or virtual ones? [23:36] Jingle Disk was a holiday greeting demo and card generator [23:36] dW: commercial Xmas demo [23:36] they sold it at Target and a few other places [23:36] * CDKaiser nods to Robin [23:36] Virtual ones. ;) [23:36] $10 at Zellers [23:36] <_dW> heh [23:36] I think we got it for $5 or something [23:36] C128, 128 is for 128MB of ram right? [23:36] I have Jingle Disk around here somewhere. [23:36] wow, snoggy's an OP [23:36] ;) [23:36] Random, yup [23:36] MB?? [23:36] no KB [23:36] * Hiram blushes [23:36] but like I say, there's a little bit of Jingle Disk in every program I write because of that initial loader :) [23:37] no KB? I thought there were 128. [23:37] or is that 128GB? 128TB? [23:37] virtual punch cards: http://www.acme.com/jef/punch_cards/ [23:37] <_Six_> :) happy day :) [23:37] 128 bytes. ;) [23:37] 128KB not 128MB [23:37] you caught me :( [23:37] Jim: Ah, the Atari 2600 [23:37] * Pnacolada catches up on scrollback. [23:37] surprised, Hiram? [23:37] didn't the 2600 have 2 or 4K? [23:37] snoggy, yop [23:37] 128 bytes of ram [23:37] 4k [23:37] No way, there is such a thing as virtual punch cards. I was just kidding. [23:38] most of the atari carts had ram on them, didn't they? [23:38] cartridges on launch had either 2k of 4k of ROM [23:38] the 2600 carts? [23:38] no, most 2600 carts had no ram [23:38] it was rom? [23:38] the system had 128 bytes of ram, no rom [23:38] has [23:38] On the internet there is Virtual just about anything... [23:38] Did you know that Linux on an IBM mainframe still uses a boot block that is the same size as the original punch cards [23:38] scary [23:38] and when Ben Heck gets done with them, they're handheld. :D [23:39] LOAD"LINUX",8,1? [23:39] Mrph. [23:39] hah [23:39] Joystick is hard to handle.. [23:39] Heckendorf or whatever it is... [23:40] how big are punch cards? 4 x 7? [23:40] * RandomAct (~RandomAct@12-221-207-206.client.insightBB.com) Quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.9) [23:40] * lessmoney (Wes@sdn-ap-002watacoP0016.dialsprint.net) Quit [23:40] I still have my first programming attempts on cards somewhere. [23:40] I might still have my box of punch cards stored away somewhere... [23:40] more like 3 x 7 I would guess... [23:40] Looking for a punch card... [23:40] * beata_ giggles. [23:40] punch cards.. [23:41] I've still got punch cards at my parents from High School [23:41] if your local voting area uses punch cards for voting, they appear to be the same size [23:41] Isn't it funny how Computer Literate used to mean you could program. Now it means you can point and click. [23:41] If only I could find my punch card with Ronald Reagan's signature on it. [23:41] CDKaiser- Thinking about creating that Commodore Survey? [23:41] does anyone know how much space wings takes up when it's installed? [23:42] all that it requires [23:42] It fits on a 1581 disk [23:42] * Pnacolada tries to convince FuzzyFox to join #c64friends :) [23:42] Eyeth: yes, I need to get around to that again [23:42] ah, ok thanks! [23:42] FuzzyFox... that sounds familiar [23:42] hello pna [23:42] He wrote AutoGraph. [23:42] although I feel badly about the fiasco with the mail-in surveys [23:42] Ow my hand hurts. [23:42] does he have 9 tails? [23:42] Cool. Will it be done in Perl or PHP? Or is it still in plaintext, distributed in email inboxes all over the world? [23:42] WhiteFLame: hahahaha [23:42] all of those got lost in my apartment move, so all that data was lost :( [23:42] Hee. Not that I know of. He's not a kitsune :) [23:42] :) [23:42] no, it'll be a web form *and* text [23:43] Just a regular fox. Yip! [23:43] Ah. [23:43] re all [23:43] I used Autograph alot :) [23:43] Fiasco? What fiasco? [23:43] Autograph rocks. :) [23:43] * Hiram comforts beata [23:43] I think I'm going to scoot. I need to get me a pint while the getting is good. [23:44] buy, golan [23:44] What is Autograph? [23:44] Bye, Golan. [23:44] pint... golan is british? [23:44] That reminds me; CDKaiser- You made a graphics utility? How does that compare to GoDot? And are there before/after screenshots? [23:44] <_brain_> back [23:44] rebrain [23:44] Wikipedia to the rescue - Punch Cards: exactly 7-3/8 inch by 3-1/4 inch [23:44] Hiram: A Canuck. [23:44] since I had Sub-Op status at the BBS, I had to check the downloads, which included a variety of graphics [23:44] RobertB: Hernan Vergara (and I think you also) helped with the by-mail portion of the Users Survey, but the surveys got lost when I moved apartments :( that was the fiasco [23:44] brain, Bo wouldn't let me ask about my idea on the mailing list [23:44] That's NewView, Todd. [23:44] Robin, even worse... :D [23:44] Eyeth: yeah, it's called NewView -- I wrote it ages and ages ago [23:44] Autograph is a C64 graphics viewer/converter. [23:45] Eyeth: still available, and if there's interest in it I'll update it -- it works pretty well, it's just slow (the code is not very optimized) [23:45] * thea1ien (~thea1ien@pool-70-18-150-206.norf.east.verizon.net) has joined #c64friends [23:45] Bye Golan [23:45] CD, then shouldn't it be called "OldView"? [23:45] CDKaiser: what does it do? [23:45] Howdy thea1ien [23:45] Golan is Canadian, which makes me British by proxy. [23:45] hello thea1ien [23:45] Hiram: very likely ;) [23:45] CDKaiser- Are there before/after screenshots? [23:45] helps to be on newnet, not effnet [23:45] * _brain_ eyes unpunched cards sitting above him. [23:45] Eyeth/WhiteFlan: there's a demo in the archive [23:45] hi [23:45] Cameron: not very optimized, ie compiled basic? [23:45] Hi, Robert P. [23:45] RobinH: mostly, yes [23:46] Besides, my maternal roots land me square in the ugly part of Manchester, which is called Manchester. [23:46] * WhiteFlan has java and C++ classes that simulate a multicolor bitmap cell and do all sorts of color formatting on it [23:46] makes sense [23:46] Eh. I'm lazy. I feel like looking at screenshots, rather than loading the archaic .LNX archive, extracting it into a .d64, firing up VICE, etc. etc. yadda yadda. :) [23:46] * golan rammbles and scrambles... [23:46] G'night all. [23:46] <_Six_> Did I mention how great of a day it was? [23:46] this is back in the day when I still wrote assembly in the FastLoad monitor by hand [23:46] <_brain_> cya golan [23:46] bye, golan [23:46] cya golan [23:46] hey golan! [23:46] Whiteflan, when I first read that, I thought you were referring to university classes :D [23:46] <_Six_> Eyeth: you lazy bugger. [23:46] * golan (~golan@CPE0030bd488c05-CM000a73a9693f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: Connection reset by beer (the desire for it anyway).) [23:46] did you give that poster to your friend>? [23:46] _Six_ Thanks for the compliment! :) [23:46] brain? [23:47] <_brain_> yes [23:47] <_brain_> Not much I can do about Bo [23:47] Eyeth: www.white-flame.com/nether_g1.zip :) [23:47] At least CDKaiser did have the wherewithal to distribute his latest preview in an easily accessible .d64.gz format. Whew. :) [23:47] <_brain_> Besidesm I doubt it was Bo. Jeri is moderating the list [23:47] lol I wasn't coming to you to do anything about Bo [23:47] well, this was back before .d64.gz was widely accepted, too ^_^ I think it's vintage 1993 or 1994 when I wrote that [23:47] just didn't want you think that I chickened out of asking [23:47] what list is this, JimB? [23:47] <_brain_> k [23:48] <_brain_> C1 list [23:48] brain, I got the email from bo [23:48] ahh. [23:48] CDKaiser- Well, I would think GoDot is now the program of choice when it comes to C= gfx. [23:48] <_brain_> Hmm, strnge [23:48] I thought so. I still have it. almost forwarded it to you, but then decided not to. [23:48] Eyeth: I think so too, which is why I'm not going to great lengths to update it unless people really like the effects and want more or faster ones [23:48] Yeah. [23:48] but I'll still support it [23:49] <_Six_> the photoshop/ConGo combo is nothing to scoff at. [23:49] I find it quite amazing and appreciative of Arndt continuing support of GoDot, a software offering he created more than 10+ years ago. [23:49] <_Six_> But for natively produced gfx... [23:49] I actually used Photoshop for all of Geotrope's graphics [23:49] ConGo! that's what I used to convert images [23:49] I converted them over using a custom program I wrote called Sixpix [23:49] ConGo is not something that doesn't suck [23:49] <_Six_> :) [23:49] it does the heavy lifting of palette election and selection, dithering, etc [23:49] Robert: what sort of reaction did Cassanda P. give to sign a game manual. [23:49] <_brain_> So, WF, CongO sucks? [23:50] CDKaiser and Six- I do have Mattias' Photoshop plugins. But, for some reason, I can't save images to C64 gfx formats. :( [23:50] I don't really like it [23:50] <_Six_> I also like the Dpaint Amiga/C64GFX combination. [23:50] <_Six_> And that is free. [23:50] I don't use Mattias' plugin, Todd -- it's Windows only [23:50] plugins? where? [23:50] I wrote my own converter [23:50] same here [23:50] that converter did the work in Geotrope [23:50] I've almost forgotten how to use Dpaint [23:50] <_Six_> though, I strongly urge people to support MM. [23:50] Cassandra "Elvira" Peterson said, "Where did you get that from?!" [23:50] and I've reused that multicolor cell class in all my converter stuff [23:51] <_Six_> WF: Share? [23:51] RobertB? [23:51] the hardest part was doing gamut correction [23:51] and dithering down colours [23:51] Hiram- Mattias Matting wrote C64 GFX plugins for Photoshop. [23:51] Eyeth, freebie? [23:51] No. [23:51] _Six_: not yet [23:51] but I will [23:51] Yes, Jim W., question for me? [23:51] but only the windows plugins for photoshop [23:51] Snog, don't worry -- I'll be releasing something for the Mac owners [23:52] <_Six_> C64 stuff should all be open source, IMHO. [23:52] But, why windows? I thought Mattias used Photoshop SDK, which means it should work in the Mac's? [23:52] when I get my program expanded to convert into a semi-standard format for DTV, I'll release it [23:52] Any gui for cbm4win yet ? [23:52] Eyeth: he used a Windows-only wrapper [23:52] <_Six_> But it is not for me to dictate other's code sharing. [23:52] Cameron, then you should go the extra mile for Amiga owners. :-) [23:52] besides, he has to recompile it for Mac, and he doesn't have a Mac [23:52] CBM4win? [23:52] _Six_: it will be [23:52] I even asked in c.s.c about how to use it on a Mac... [23:52] RobertB, was curious about what the Cassandra comment was related to [23:52] so hang on, Snog, help is on the way ;) [23:52] it seemed out of the blue [23:53] it has a really crummy interface, but I wrote it for function, not form (also very un-Maclike, but hey) [23:53] should work in OS 9 and X [23:53] well [23:53] Larry asked me about her reaction when I asked for her autograph on the Elvira I manual. [23:53] Mac eats it [23:53] si [23:53] si = so [23:53] <_Six_> Snog: What's the allure of the Mac, for you? [23:53] o 1 button mouse [23:53] no apps [23:53] and also [23:54] EXPENSIVEW! [23:54] What is there not to like? [23:54] <_Six_> I'm thinking Motorola CPU. [23:54] _Six_ I guess you haven't notice me carrying it around?? [23:54] DarthRaYz: price for a good mac is about the same price as a good PC [23:54] bs [23:54] I can build a good PC for $80 [23:54] err [23:54] %800 [23:54] for a mediocre system low-cost system, though, PC's the way to go [23:54] err [23:54] * BrendaG4 (brendag4@dialup-4.242.75.139.Dial1.Seattle1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [23:54] $800 [23:54] hello Brenda [23:54] I can build a good PC for $400. [23:54] * Pnacolada waves to Brenda. [23:54] thats with a good gaming vid card [23:54] <_Six_> I can build a good PC for about $300, if that. [23:54] Hi Brenda. [23:54] hi all [23:54] BTW, there's an auction for Maidstone Quest, a C128 VDC 80 column adventure. [23:54] Hi, Brenda. [23:54] Mac is over. [23:55] hi Brenda [23:55] its done [23:55] top-end Mac vs top-end PC are the same price [23:55] move on [23:55] Wow. 10 PM MST and still 39 people here! [23:55] <_Six_> Buying stuff from Snog's store. [23:55] eBay item #5146565734 [23:55] Hi Brenda [23:55] so, care to let us owners who haven't come to that conclusion keep using 'em, Ray? *ahem* [23:55] umm [23:55] if you LIKE em [23:55] Yes, Todd. I saw that auction. [23:55] eyeth, what ebay item is that? [23:55] then use em [23:55] but [23:55] compartivley [23:55] * Hiram wants a Mac SE/30 with 128 meg of ram and a 10 gig HD and Stratavision on it. [23:55] a Mac is eons behing [23:55] f [23:55] sdfsdf [23:55] behind [23:55] Man, I am really lagging. [23:55] Maidstone Quest, a c128 80 column adventure game. [23:55] so anyway [23:55] The Macintrash os done. [23:55] Its so done [23:55] Darth? are you kidding, or on drugs? [23:56] Eyeth, text adventure I assume [23:56] whats the record on the # of people in the room? [23:56] the only thing keeping apple alive is an injection from MS (Cause Gates is a nice guy) and the iPid [23:56] I wouldn't mind getting myself the newest $1,800 iMac with wireless keyboard/mouse. [23:56] Rayz, are you trying to say something....? [23:56] its drugs. [23:56] hehehe [23:56] sorry guys [23:56] for me, Six, I liked the hardware, and I grew up with Macs, so I was used to them -- but OS X has really improved my productivity, gotta say [23:56] but I hate the Mac [23:56] and I like the PowerPC [23:56] Hiram- Well, the eBay seller claims that 80 colum *graphics* are used, so it's not really a text adventure. [23:56] Dual 2.5GHz G5 knocks the FLOPs off any PC [23:56] LOL [23:56] Face me sir [23:56] Athlon 64 [23:57] I'm a recovering AIX system administrator, so I'm used to Power architectures [23:57] you will lose [23:57] hahahah [23:57] <_Six_> I bet there is some cool stuff that could be done on the Mac with a proper OS. It *IS* a Motorola-based machine, is it not? [23:57] It is inevitable. [23:57] still run AIX on two systems here in this office [23:57] * Pnacolada sighs and goes back to lurking. [23:57] _Six_: no [23:57] o no! [23:57] the G5 is IBM-fabbed [23:57] <_Six_> RISC? [23:57] Pantera is on playlist. RIP Dimebag. [23:57] IBM/Motorola [23:57] <_Six_> PowerPC? [23:57] AMD's FPU + CPU bandwidth doesn't match G5 FPU performance [23:57] uh huh [23:57] hey WhiteFlan [23:57] u ever heard of [23:57] APPS [23:57] games [23:57] etc? [23:57] * BrendaG4 addicted to the DTV [23:57] they are not for Mac [23:57] does anybody know why he was called "Dimebag"? [23:57] heya brenda [23:57] Cause he smoked a ton [23:58] I would assume [23:58] * CDKaiser sighs. [23:58] ever heard of FLOPS? They favor the G5 [23:58] <_Six_> Yeah, he liked to buy dime bags [23:58] BrendaG4: did you manage to sell your extra dtv's? [23:58] lol [23:58] FLOPS has no meaning if NOTHING RUNS ON IT [23:58] no, he SOLD dime bags [23:58] in real-world computational performance [23:58] kp, no [23:58] hehehe [23:58] A Wearbear! *GROWL!* [23:58] I could build a FLOP machine, mega in style [23:58] but with no prgrams [23:58] haven't really tried to sell them [23:58] what good is it? [23:58] Darth, what makes you think nothing runs on the Mac? [23:58] I still say that a cluster of 64 Commodore 64's will bring forth about one FLOP? :) [23:58] Well lets see [23:58] what am I running on this Mac, chopped liver? [23:58] I cant play any games on it [23:58] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-69-76-121-53.wi.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [23:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +o dracosilv [23:58] yes you can [23:58] Whatever happened to the VCF ambitions of having a cluster of C64's?\ [23:58] No [23:58] Where is Battlefront [23:59] ? [23:59] g4m3r = l4m3r :) [23:59] UT 2004? [23:59] I wonder if QVC is out of them, they were pretty low when Jim last reported [23:59] I actually do work on my Mac [23:59] KOTOR? [23:59] then get a games box, not a computer [23:59] I do work on my PC. [23:59] Hi Draskosliv [23:59] XBOX is best games machine [23:59] Hi, Draco. [23:59] but for FPS, its all PC [23:59] Battlefront? hmmm, last I heard, people were playing Warcraft [23:59] it sounds like you're playing games instead ;) [23:59] BrendaG4: o ok [23:59] <_dW> l8r :) [23:59] servers were empty [23:59] * _dW (deew@tidbit.globalpc.net) Quit [23:59] hello all! [23:59] wb, draco [23:59] kp, do you want to buy one? [23:59] MAC GAMER MAGAZINE! THis month, 60 pages for WARCRAFT. No other games, so its 70 pages with adverts [23:59] AMAZING [23:59] horrible. [00:00] * Raymond_D (~root@pcp08880696pcs.vnburn01.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:00] Also, the Mac's seem to be more 'friendly' towards programmers. You can't say the same for Windows, which remains very much foriegn to me! [00:00] XP is the best OS ever. [00:00] erm, mac sucks for gamers. I'd concur [00:00] there is nothing that defeats it [00:00] buhaha [00:00] or even comes close. [00:00] it helps that OS X has a gnu toolchain [00:00] dreaming [00:00] darth must really be on drugs... XP is the best os?? [00:00] ahahah [00:00] well folks, time for me to call it a nite [00:00] I've never seen a fully working WinXP box [00:00] catch yall next week [00:00] Bye, Snog. [00:00] Mac was so so so fn great, that after OS 9, they realized that THEY NEEDED UNIX [00:00] Linux is friendlier towards programmers... [00:00] excellent [00:00] I can build pretty much whatever -- all the tools used to create Geotrope, except for Photoshop, were open source [00:00] Mac is now UNIX . [00:00] * Disconnected Session Close: Sun Dec 12 00:01:31 2004