[20:51] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:51] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64!!' [20:51] Howdy all [20:51] KilrPilr: i watch Power Rangers too, should give you an idea of my tastes... =-) [20:51] Hi, Snog. [20:51] hi snog [20:51] hiya snoggy dog dog [20:52] * Oldbit waves at Snog.. [20:52] :D [20:52] * d0c (~b00zing@194.19.72.85) Quit [20:52] Hello Mr. Snogpitch. [20:52] Oooo, Plan 9 from Outer Space. [20:52] * Oldbit checks his watch.. Snog is early... :) [20:52] * TMR{C0S} checks the PRG for the serial port - five pins connected, 6 is shown as "no connection". [20:52] 'Lo Snogpitch. [20:52] Snog .... [20:52] ya, I'm early because my usual 8pm show isn't on anymore [20:53] * TMR{C0S} scratches his 'ead - where's the reset line then...? [20:53] I'm early because I'm leaving in 11 minutes. [20:53] leaving? for where? [20:53] data, clk, gnd, reset, atn [20:53] robert: :( [20:53] srq = not req [20:53] not in c64 mode anyway [20:53] To the movie theatre, Snog. [20:54] RobertB, How was the VCF? Sounds like it was an another great show! [20:54] You'll be back RobertB ???? [20:54] Very late, Rick. [20:54] Not on this diagram; serial srq in, ground, atn in/out, clk in/out, data in/out and no connection. [20:54] How late ? [20:54] Todd, is that you? VCF was very busy and crowded. [20:54] what movie? [20:54] hmmm [20:55] After the Sunset, Snog. [20:55] Cool. Where there a heavy C= presence other than the usual suspects, i.e., Larry Anderson, FCUG, Jeri and Cameron... [20:55] * TMR{C0S} is looking at page 363 of the Programmer's Reference Guide for... umm, reference. =-) [20:55] someone give me the group Shogoon was in [20:55] me [20:55] I am nega Commodore [20:55] They have those Drive thrus down in Fresno if I recall. [20:55] err [20:55] mega [20:55] i dont have my PRG handy , just going from my faithful memory [20:55] Yes, Todd, the Commodore presence was there! [20:55] I didn't know Commodore made the Megaman game. :) [20:56] dan: just look at CSDb [20:56] BBL [20:56] good call [20:56] * MikeP is now known as MikePaWaY [20:56] Bye, MikeP. [20:56] * TMR{C0S} remembers Inflexion, but that was a game dev label. [20:56] MegaMan ???? [20:56] Taboo?> [20:56] for C= [20:56] Cool. I know the VCF was a great event for me during those times I've actually went! Maybe one of these days... CommVex sounds more realistic, though. [20:56] I thought it was a Nintendo thing. [20:57] yea, taboo, damn my drunk mind, just found it anyhows, thanks TMR,was thinking Asphixia, nm [20:57] Well, I'll probably be around later RobertB. [20:57] I'm still holding my breath on CommVEx, Todd. Will know in a few weeks. [20:57] drunk? [20:57] Not leaving yet. [20:57] for drunk, your typing is pretty good [20:57] @snog:always [20:58] typing is always good...just my mind that goes [20:58] * TMR{C0S} wonders how RobertB is going to hold his breath for two weeks...?! [20:58] Heh. [20:58] It won't be easy, Jason! ;-) [20:58] He got a record. [20:59] Nah, my record was 11 1/2 hours on this chat actively talking. [20:59] anyone here from arizona or ny? [20:59] Is that all...? i once managed over 24 in a single sitting. =-) [20:59] that's alot of chat :) [20:59] Fair bit of caffeine too... [20:59] Jason beats my record! [21:00] * RandomAct (~rnd@12-221-207-206.client.insightBB.com) has joined #c64friends [21:00] who has seen the awesome Episode 3 (star wars) trailer? [21:00] 5 hours in one sitting is my limit....eyes start to haze up after that [21:00] cause if you have not sen [21:00] It was new years eve 1999 to new years day 2000 - was releasing Rollover at the same time but spent most of the day linking. [21:00] u need to [21:00] Hello Random. [21:00] I saw the trailer last week [21:00] Jason, you beat me. [21:00] Hello all [21:00] Oh, years ago on SX and IRC with Novaterm 80 column... :) [21:00] its the best movie ever [21:01] Not me, Ray. Maybe at tonight's movie. [21:01] Wildstar: what, because i released something...? =-) [21:01] Sidious taking out jedi [21:01] thats good stuff [21:01] Hi, RandomAct. [21:01] I can give u link [21:01] No, the IRC chat [21:01] Oh, that as well... =-) [21:01] The best movie ever? [21:02] yes [21:02] I'm suprised I am not being asked questions today. [21:02] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.51.125.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:02] * TMR{C0S} has a thought and digs out the URL for the (about to be unused) CSDoom he did last week whilst chatting here... http://80.0.9.115/csdoom.gif [21:02] hey jim [21:02] Hi, JimL. [21:02] Hello Mr. Lawless, Sir. [21:02] lol antares [21:02] Hi, Kilr, Robert, Antares. [21:02] u silly [21:02] Howdy JLawless [21:02] Jim [21:02] Snog, Oldbit. [21:02] * RaYzor is now known as DarthRaYz [21:02] jeffo [21:02] where were the rumours about the solder pads coming from? [21:03] like, them being missing? [21:03] jeri [21:03] oh dont know [21:03] Jim> I saw you post on the TRS-80 usenet area. You have a Tandy? [21:03] Rumors? [21:03] RobinH: can't remember now... been picking up so many sodding rumours of late...! [21:03] ANyone knows the MHz ????? [21:03] 1mhz [21:03] Have you seen the consing? [21:03] antares: A Model I was my first computer. Don't have it any more. [21:03] Full capability ????? [21:03] its a 3ghz AMD chip :) [21:04] LOL! [21:04] no way!! [21:04] beata, thats a lisp term. [21:04] no it is! [21:04] I opened a C64 once that had AMD chips in it [21:04] it is magma cooled [21:04] Still have my M1 and two M4's. [21:04] with ice tray [21:04] i thought magma was hot? [21:04] I think Robin Harbron should have some knowledge. I think ???? [21:04] or do you mean it works like a refridgerator [21:04] silence KilrPilr [21:05] I am trying to make a point [21:05] i've just remembered why i set rayzor to ignore... shame it only goes by nick. [21:05] beata, are you dead beat? [21:05] depends on the prg, TMR{C0S}, you can also set it by domain [21:05] lol egon [21:05] :( TMR{C0S} : I am not trying to gather sympathy but u do kno that my home burned down [21:05] * JoeCommod (~Larry_And@64.174.30.242) has joined #c64friends [21:05] I mean have some respect for my genius [21:05] Howdy JoeCommod [21:05] Hello JC. [21:05] Must go now. Happy DTV talking everybody! [21:05] hey joe [21:05] what, about the speed? It's just a fairly close clone of a NTSC C64, so it's ~1.02 mhz [21:05] cya RobertB [21:05] by robert [21:05] Have fun.. [21:05] Hi, Larry. Bye, Larry. [21:05] * Alan (Alan@user-33qt84j.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:06] Last I checked I was still alive. [21:06] Howdy Alan [21:06] come back later' [21:06] Hi Bye Robert! [21:06] hello to all. [21:06] hi alan [21:06] Hi everyone. [21:06] Larrry. My arch nemisis [21:06] Hi, Alan. Bye, Alan. [21:06] Hello Alan. [21:06] he has too many pets [21:06] Larry. [21:06] What's the rumor of the 27 Mhz [21:06] * RobertB (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:06] it's just you not understanding things :/ [21:06] Must have been something I said [21:06] which cpu uses? [21:06] That's how fast the actual chip does to do all the work of pretending to be several ICs i believe...? [21:06] its 20 mhz overclocked to 27 [21:07] How did I get to arch nemesis Rayzor?? [21:07] It was something Ruud Baltissen originally wrote. [21:07] Joe: doesnt matter [21:07] It's like getting excited by how the VIC-II runs at 8mhz, or whatever [21:07] awhile back. [21:07] :rayzor is drunk [21:07] Oh, PETs! At VCF there were at least 4 for sale, two dead for sure. [21:07] To the user/programmer, it's irrelevant [21:08] Larry, any chance you got other pictures of the DTV? [21:08] RobinH: speaking of programming... erm, any way to get a reference to the new stuff so i can read up? =-) [21:08] yes share your pics guys [21:08] who busted the dtv? [21:08] DTV - PCB pic: [21:08] TMR: Heh, once you get yours, LOAD"DTVDOCS" and then RUN ;) [21:08] oops, http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/c-dtv_pcb.jpg [21:09] Oh class... =-) [21:09] and make sure you LOAD"DTVTEAM" :) [21:09] Nice! [21:09] * TMR{C0S} had heard a rumour of a few "hidden" files... =-) [21:09] Larry, mind if I mirror it on my site? [21:09] DTV & C-1 http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/c-one_c-dtv.jpg [21:10] Of course, i won't be getting one until the PAL version is released [pouty sulk] [21:10] DTV-1 - http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/commodore-dtv1.jpg [21:10] Larry [21:10] how ya been sir? [21:10] Jeri w/DTV - yes they both really exist! http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/jeri -dtv.jpg [21:10] oh no! epoxy blobs! [21:11] Been sick, got Robert's cold last weekend.. Darn him. [21:11] * brainBBL is now known as _brain_ [21:11] Hoping the solder points are on the other side... :) [21:11] Hey Brain... [21:11] filthy robert [21:11] U must stop him [21:11] <_brain_> hey [21:11] Hello Mr. Brain. [21:11] I think the holes go through, [21:12] jey jim [21:12] Hi Jim [21:12] Don't know who busted it, it lasted till the last couple hours of VCF though. Lots of players... [21:12] How was the SWoC exhibit? [21:12] Or was it a show? [21:12] Good Evening Jim [21:13] Jim ... [21:13] * _brain_ waves [21:13] SWOC was ok, Cameraon had Magic Voice, FM Music, an Ultimax (ultra-cool looking), a B-128, and a commodore 116 (the tiny plus/4 looking computer. [21:13] Cam's ultimax failed to present a pic? [21:13] Cause he asked me how [21:13] Is there a way to get a hold of a DTV prototype along with technical documentation? I'd like to start programming a game or something for it, already. :) In 256 colors, dammit! [21:13] and I guess it did not work [21:13] like it did for mine and Bo;s [21:14] I'll upload a pic, hold on... [21:15] TMR: Whoops, LOAD "DOCVIEWER" [21:15] that's the right one [21:15] Gotta go. See you all next Saturday. [21:15] See ya, antares. [21:15] niters antares51 [21:15] Nite [21:15] http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/max_back.jpg [21:15] Bye antares [21:15] No way at all to get a text file since i can't get the machine for a while...? [21:15] http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/max_front.jpg [21:15] * antares51 (~rick@ip68-110-30-204.om.om.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Until we chat again...) [21:15] http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/max_manual.jpg [21:15] my legacy has been squandered [21:15] Todd: proto? nope, there's only a few in existence afaik [21:17] I think everyone is busy looking at pics :) [21:20] translation??? :) [21:20] but the real thing is already made - you'd have a better chance of getting the final product [21:20] No bottom side of DTV board ??? [21:20] I was first in USA with MAX [21:20] now it is comonplace [21:20] Jeri had only the two with her I think, and she couldn't fget more so you will have to wait for QVC sale like me.. :-/ [21:20] W* that was the botton of the DTV board, the top has the j-stick buttons I think. [21:20] What side had the solder pads [21:20] I can't say I've watched much QVC, but don't they take calls from buyers and let them rant about what a great deal they're getting on the air? [21:20] I can hear it now.. :) [21:20] If you look at the pics I think they are throughholes... [21:20] I mentioned the QVC caller thing to jeri, she chuckled at the notition. :-) [21:20] I hoping they let Rick on the air... [21:20] RobinH, Dang! Sell yours? ;) What about technical docs? Will this be in the 'easter eggs' you mentioned for the CDTV? [21:20] Larry ... is your 2001 still working (chicklet) ? [21:20] isnt all the callers shit fake anyway? [21:20] The games looked really sharp, I dunno if they were straight composite, but it looked like 1701 split-video quality. [21:21] Rayz - yep, needs some video work and constant keyboard cleaning but it's still alive, even the original tape deck! [21:21] Todd: yup, the dox are an egg in the unit [21:21] I'm pretty sure I don't even have them [21:21] hmmm, maybe I do [21:21] RobinH: aww... who do we have to bug for 'em then? =-) [21:21] JoeCommod : excellent! 2001 owns all [21:21] Cool! I thought the docs were just plain docs for the games and technical docs would be on a website somewhere. [21:21] TMR: Jeri ;) [21:22] I currently have a Fat forty on my apartment was doing some disk conversions lately and the 4032 is better suited for it. [21:22] nope, no game docs in the unit, they're on paper [21:22] TMR: I thought MV posted some dox somewhere [21:22] There is no true PET but 2001 chicklet [21:22] that is the true nature of all! [21:22] Ah. I chuckled when Jason had to write to an 8 year old audience. :) I guess that includes me, heh. [21:23] Well, c.s.c. people keep forgetting how we're going to be a tiny % of the purchasers. [21:23] Haven't seen any, i'll have to bug him. Only really worried about getting control of the colour... [21:23] Adult Lego fans have the same problem [21:23] Still, QVC better have airmail options; I'd like to get my CDTV on Nov. 27, hack it ten different ways and post gory details on my site. Then come up with a SEU game on Nov. 28th. :) [21:24] I was wondering how many international order QVC will have on the 26th... [21:24] What I can say is that there is potential for a number of newbies and old guys checking it all out and visiting the forums [21:24] Give me the docs, i'll write a bloody SEU for it now! Drew a logo for CSDoom last week on IRC, got to come up with an encore... =-) [21:24] telliott : what will u do with CDTV? [21:24] Oooh. I liked the CSDoom pic. Pretty nice pixeling job there, TMR{C0S} [21:24] * JavaUser2 (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.243.192.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:25] TMR: You enable the extra registers with $d03f or something (bit 0) [21:25] JavaUser2 !! [21:25] then the palette is stored at $d20x [21:25] I think - it's been a while [21:25] beeman [21:25] Hows it work then, replacing the 16 colours with others from the palette...? [21:25] DarthRaYz, I want to add a IEC disk drive to it, probably a 1541-II so I can at least create a game for the DTV in 256 colors and do some general code explorations. [21:25] Howdy JavaUser2 [21:26] TMR{C0S}: you get 256 colors (8bit colorram) [21:26] Hey JU2 [21:26] Hi, [21:26] telliott : nice [21:26] The DTV will be fun to explore creatively. [21:26] TMR: Yeah, you can make the 16 colours anything you want [21:26] gpz: I never used that mode [21:26] Oh... multiple modes? Cool! [21:26] I really don't need a PS/2 keyboard initially for the CDTV, as I'll use cc65+xe1541 combo to do the honors. :) [21:26] Can you get all 256 colors going at once. [21:27] RobinH: i've seen screenshots from a simple basic prog showing 256 colors on screen :) [21:27] Did I understand 256 colors at once, or 16 of 256 colors (you choose?) [21:27] Both, it seems. [21:27] What about sprites? Still stuck on eight? Or is this expanded as well? What about sprite size? [21:27] there's supposedly a bunch of modes, but I never had a chance to try them, then my proto went to HK [21:27] It looks like the color RAM is full byte not just nybbles.. [21:27] i've seen shots of a BASIC prog doing sixteen shades of one colour... [21:28] Probably ala Plus/4 color scheme [21:28] though with C64 colors as the base. [21:29] gpz: that 256 colour thing, that was Schema's pics from Chicago? [21:29] Leif's? [21:29] RobinH: dont remember [21:29] Schema's pics were 16 colours i think...? [21:29] yes [21:30] RobinH, that is 256 at once ?????? as well as 16 out of 256. [21:30] those pics showed only 16 colors....but if you had looked at the screenshot of the basic prog you'd notice how its using 8bit color indices [21:30] Secret Weapons of Commodore Pic: http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/secretweapons ofcommodore.jpg [21:30] G: i assumed that was just setting the 16 colours from the 256 colour palette...? [21:30] http://www.jammingsignal.com/c64/aic/64dtv/page1.htm [21:31] * Caricon (~caricon@user254.paulding.oh.dtnspeed.net) has joined #c64friends [21:31] TMR{C0S}: poking into 646 ? [21:31] Cameron nearly killed the Ultimax the day beforee VCF, hear it was a fuse lucily. [21:31] RobinH, What about sprites? Does the CDTV improve on them? [21:31] G: that bit was for the screen display, if it works the way i thought it ignores the upper nybble. [21:31] * Hiraghm (~Hiraghm@xtimports.com) has joined #c64friends [21:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Hiraghm [21:31] hello [21:31] Howdy Hiraghm [21:31] (Cheap and dirty way to avoid having to worry about the values wrapping...?) [21:31] snoggy [21:31] Hi Hiraghm! [21:32] Howdy Caricon [21:32] Also, any other video modes that would be exciting? I've heard of 'copper' or 'blitter'. But that was in context of CommodoreOne discussions, I believe. I don't know what a copper/blitter is. [21:32] Evening. [21:32] TMR{C0S}: um if its 4bit why would you do poke 646,n+m*16 ? (or whatever it was) [21:32] Hi Hi! [21:32] i'm assuming the BASIC program just draws balls on the screen in color $0 to colour $f and the bit at the end buggers with the palette to get 16 shades of one colour. [21:32] oldbit [21:32] sprites are like normal, unless there's any weird experimental stuff Jeri stuffed in there [21:32] TMR: yeah, you're right [21:32] groe paz [21:32] G: i think it was to get that diagonal pattern that was on the screen. [21:32] lo Joe [21:32] brain and brain, what is brain? [21:33] * TMR{C0S} hasn't the worlds best eyesight and was squinting a bit... [21:33] TMR{C0S}: no, anything*16 is redundant if you have 4bit only :=) [21:33] <_brain_> brain is active.... [21:33] * Hiraghm is excited at the idea of a 6809 core for the C1 [21:33] Wonder if there is an easter egg in the 64 DTV? [21:33] * Alan (Alan@user-33qt84j.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit (Quit: I LOVE NATASHA SMITH) [21:33] gpz: could be that Leif just wasn't sure what he was doing ;) [21:33] * Hiraghm waves near brain [21:33] Caricon, RobinH said 'LOAD"DTVTEAM" is an easter egg. :) [21:33] * TMR{C0S} was assuming that - the BASIC was a bit... rushed, shall we say? =-) [21:33] RobinH: well.....entire possible ofcourse :=P [21:33] I just don't know whether or not it can do 256 colors at once despite the demo only showing 16 out of 256 at a given time. [21:34] Todd: there's an REU-like bit in the DTV that does DMA [21:34] even that's an improvement [21:34] mmmmm cinamon buns [21:34] * Hiraghm waves near wild* [21:34] and has a couple extra tricks [21:34] Wildstar: even if you knew, you couldnt do anything with it anyway he? :=P [21:34] RobinH: that DMA... same speed as an actual REU? [21:34] I mean, I had all 256 colours on screen at once, but I was using raster interrupts [21:34] I saw jeri going into some modes (a directory of some sort) that wern't on the menu, don't know how though. [21:35] RobinH: okay, you just answered another question i had... =-) [21:35] Hiraghm, don't you emulated core? [21:35] don't I emulated core? [21:35] sorry. [21:35] sokay, I just didn't understand what you meant? [21:35] don't you mean emulated 6809 core? [21:36] uhm.... [21:36] TMR: I don't know if it's quite as fast - Jeri did mention something about it, but that was months ago and both of us were severly sleep-deprived that week [21:36] I dunno. [21:36] groepaz, groepaz, groepaz - it isn't hard to demonstrate all of it in BASIC. [21:36] as it's a PGA. [21:36] and yeah, there's lots of eggs in it [21:36] FPGA :D [21:36] RobinH, Cool. But from what I've read, the DMA only accesses 64K of RAM? That's not enough for Wheels 64, assuming it's even compatible. [21:37] The DMA talks to all 2mb of ROM, and all 128k of ram [21:37] where's my paycheck? :P [21:37] It's technically a games system - bugger Wheels, i'm worried if the PAL version can do AGSP. =-) [21:37] Wildstar: yeah and i bet that would be all you would be doing with it anyways, so whats the point? [21:38] I just want the details then I'll show you not tell you. [21:38] RobinH, Ok. Sounds like Wheels 64, assuming it can run, might just make it. But, I'll try doing games instead! Let's hope Jeri will come up with the CDTVMouse version. :) [21:38] lmao [21:38] I thought you had the details Wildstar [21:38] Will people please stop calling it the CDTV - it's *very* confusing! =-) [21:39] Yeah, quite strange [21:39] I had some not all of the details dan_gillg [21:39] i have that problem to TMR [21:39] dan_gillg: he even has the doom sourcecode! PHEAR! [21:39] Thought Wildstar was on the design team?? [21:39] You mean, the Amiga version? That on bombed, I think. :) No chance of confusion there. [21:39] * groepaz giggles [21:39] * TMR{C0S} used to play with a CDTV and loaded C64 software off the Rainbow Arts CD with it...! [21:39] Why do you say that Oldbit [21:39] * Alan (Alan@user-33qt81s.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:40] Welcome back Alan! [21:40] Hi Alan [21:40] Howdy Alan [21:40] hey alan [21:40] @groepaz:im shaking with excitement, no sorry, thats just my window open and its freezing [21:40] * KilrPilr doesnt remember daying goodbye [21:40] Stupid dial-up internet. [21:40] haha [21:40] :o) [21:41] FS: willem enhanced eprom programmer $60 plus shipping.Paypal accepted [21:41] HELLO ALAN [21:41] pm me for more info [21:41] Kilr [21:41] hiram [21:42] Oldbit, you didn't answer the question ? [21:42] CDTV was one of the coolest looking puters ever [21:42] it looked like a vcr [21:42] CDTV? [21:42] yeah [21:42] CDTV == Commodore Dynamic Total Vision. [21:43] Ah... clear as mud... Got pic? [21:43] It looks much like today's DVD players. [21:43] Xgame station was there too, http://www.portcommodore.com/cgi-bin/i/vcf7/xgamestation.jpg [21:43] Well, I've never heard of it, so it must have bombed. I'm sticking to CDTV for this new baby. :) [21:43] Looks like a black CD seperate unit with a light blue numeric display and a caddy CD drive. [21:43] my mate has one [21:43] Xgame station can be summed up as a high speed Atari 2600 with RAM/ROM expansion capabilities. [21:44] The innards were a 1.3 Kick A500. [21:44] lol todd [21:44] Ah, yeah, I've heard of the Amiga version. [21:44] it was an amiga thing [21:44] what else can it do Larry? [21:44] wasn't that a CD32? [21:45] * RandomAct (~rnd@12-221-207-206.client.insightBB.com) Quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.9) [21:45] Snogpitch: no, that was the next go at doing the same thing with an A1200 board inside. [21:45] http://www.amiga.com/pics/oldies/big-CDTV.jpg [21:45] nice picture ^ [21:45] CD32 was next generatino [21:45] Has like 256k RAM and 4K ROM and uses a high speed PIC processor, ther eis an option for a bigger expansion but they were touting it as a retro programmers toy using more 2600 style coding to do magic with it. [21:45] Er, 256 bytes RAM. [21:46] sweet [21:46] * Alan_R (Alan@user-33qt83f.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:46] I really hate dial-up. [21:46] 256 bytes? [21:46]