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[20:58] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64!!'
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[20:58] <Snogpitch> Howdy all
[20:58] <antares51> Hello Mr. Snogpitch.
[20:58] <groepaz> Wildstar: what are you planning to do anyways?
[20:58] <antigen> only use yours for serious work do you?
[20:59] * TMR{C0S} doesn't use his PC for anything more "serious" than he uses the C64 for... =-)
[20:59] <Snogpitch> what exactly is "serious" anyway?  :)
[20:59] <groepaz> TMR{C0S}: yeah serious "work" needs human interaction :O)
[21:00] * antares51 Serious about my Commodores.
[21:00] <TMR{C0S}> Serious != games, after that it's fairly flexible...
[21:00] <antigen> encoding pirated DVDs
[21:01] <Snogpitch> why would pirated dvds need encoding?  
[21:01] <Snogpitch> make it tougher for others to copy?
[21:01] <antares51> I ask again, Anyone used Superbase?
[21:01] <antares51> Lately?
[21:01] <TMR{C0S}> i had a pirate DVD of I, Robot.  Will Smith just doesn't look the same with the wooden leg 
  and a parrot on his shoulder.
[21:02] * _brain_ knows databases, but no used SuperBase
[21:02] <Snogpitch> Roger Hoyer, our publicity officer at CCCC uses SuperBase
[21:02] <JLawless> What problem are you having, Antares?
[21:02] <Snogpitch> I think he uses the 128 version
[21:02] <antares51> Just need to be familiar with relational databas concepts on a primitive level.
[21:03] <antares51> (sic)
[21:03] * TMR{C0S} pouts - *i* thought it was funny. =-(
[21:03] <Wildstar> Ok, groepaz, what is being worked on is a 65c816 cpu core to the VICE program.
[21:03] <JLawless> TMR: Oh.  You mean "Ayyye, Robot."
[21:03] * antares51 Right!
[21:03] <Wildstar> (leading to a SuperCPU emulation.
[21:03] * TMR{C0S} tried not to give the joke away like that prior to the punchline... =-)
[21:04] <groepaz> much fun with that...you'll essentially need to rewrite the entire emulator
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[21:04] * Snogpitch is still waiting for the punchline....
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[21:04] <antares51> Hello MikeP.
[21:04] <Snogpitch> Howdy MikeP and JavaUser
[21:04] <MikeP> Hi antares
[21:04] <MikeP> Hi Snogpitch
[21:04] * TMR{C0S} pokes his tongue out at Snogpitch! =-p
[21:04] <Wildstar> Not exactly sure really need to go "that" far.
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[21:04] <antares51> Hello JU.
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[21:05] <Snogpitch> Howdy everslick
[21:05] <antares51> Hello everslick.
[21:05] <groepaz> Wildstar: the vice core is pretty dependend on 1mhz timing
[21:05] <MikeP> hi everslick
[21:05] <JLawless> Isn't Superbase more like early dBase versions where one had to programmatically provide 
  relations? ( Basically an indexed file system vs. a database? )
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[21:05] <_brain_> gpz, I think an idea is to run the CPU at 20, but every 20th clock, trigger the old VICE 
  clock
[21:05] <_brain_> JL, yes
[21:06] <antares51> I have the program and don't know a thing about how to use it.
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[21:06] <Wildstar> Well, the SuperCPU as a physical hardware operates on its own local clock if I remember.
[21:06] <antares51> I also have SB128.
[21:06] <JLawless> ( Oddly, the Superbase folks tried to pitch their Windows version to us in the early 90's. 
  )
[21:06] <groepaz> brain: problem is that the vice core calls the cpu callbacks, not the other way around
[21:07] <groepaz> brain: it cant even work properly in ntsc
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[21:07] <Snogpitch> I've never used SuperBase, so I can't comment on it
[21:07] <MikeP> brain: did you get my email re: 14/16MHz clock for Atmel and your VIP project?
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[21:08] <_brain_> groepaz, have the core call the CPU callbacks at 20X, but dole out the other callbacks at 
  1/20th
[21:08] <Wildstar> groepaz, how does the CPU itself gets its clock. (6510)
[21:08] <_brain_> MikeP.  Kind needs 14.7456, but ou could buy the board and just swap a xtl
[21:08] <groepaz> brain: nice theory....ever looked at the vice code? :=P
[21:09] <antares51> VICE code NOT PRETTY>
[21:09] <MikeP> brain: yeah thats what I was thinking
[21:09] <Wildstar> I been trying to link the clock to the CPU.
[21:09] <Wildstar> mentally.
[21:09] <groepaz> antares51: vice code is a textbook example of how not to do it :=)
[21:10] * JLawless would argue that Foresberg's zmodem source is worse...
[21:10] * TMR{C0S} double checks - i didn't write VICE did i...? =-)
[21:10] <groepaz> Wildstar: most emulators dont work that way
[21:10] <_brain_> I agree VICE code ngnarly, but still
[21:10] <Wildstar> BY THE WAY, the CPU core for the 65816 that I have is GPL
[21:10] <_brain_> event driven code rarely is
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[21:11] <antares51> Hello PUPPY.
[21:11] <Wildstar> event driven code should be able to be driven of a timer (or cycle loop)
[21:11] <groepaz> i've knocked up a lame half working 65816 simulator based on kegs btw
[21:11] <JLawless> assuming that all deadlines can be met within timing cycle.
[21:11] <Snogpitch> Howdy PUPPY
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[21:12] <Wildstar> BTW: I'll send you a copy of the one sent by Tom Walker.
[21:12] <Wildstar> Groepaz
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[21:13] <Snogpitch> last_ninj, are you having problems staying connected?
[21:13] <groepaz> copy of what?
[21:13] <Wildstar> the 65816 core that I have that is under GPL
[21:13] <last_ninj> yeah, got disconnected.
[21:14] <Snogpitch> try irc.aohell.org, I'm on that tonight
[21:14] <MikeP> brain: you mentioned you were hunting down a bug in the vip code before releasing it, any 
  luck finding it?
[21:14] <Wildstar> groepaz, I can send you a copy of the 65816 core that I have.
[21:14] <last_ninj> ok, thanks...i will try if i am dc again.
[21:14] <_brain_> Took a break from the code last week
[21:15] <_brain_> I like to cycle through prjs
[21:15] <groepaz> Wildstar: no need...didnt i just say that i already have one? :)
[21:15] <Wildstar> Well, yeah. 
[21:15] <_brain_> kegs = ?
[21:15] <MikeP> brain: what a great idea! 
[21:15] <Snogpitch> cycling is good for preventing brownouts :)
[21:15] * _brain_ concurs
[21:15] * Pnacolada switches between BBS stuff and his text adventure :)
[21:16] <_brain_> Nice thing is I'm results oriented.
[21:16] <_brain_> VIP works, but has bugs, so progress is slow
[21:16] * MikeP is switching between CHAT and Motorsport (on TV)
[21:16] <_brain_> New prj was just not working at all, and got it orking in 1 night
[21:16] <_brain_> Major sense of accomplishment
[21:16] * TMR{C0S} is switching between IRC and nodding off...!
[21:16] <MikeP> brain: whats your new project ?
[21:17] <Wildstar> What I am trying to figure out is HOW VICE keeps its clock in any way.
[21:17] * _brain_ should have seen that ? coming...
[21:17] * antares51 Nebraska trounced by Texas Tech.
[21:17] <Wildstar> Basically, keeping to the 1.02 or .9 MHz clock.
[21:17] <_brain_> MikeP.  I'll mention it when I got it a bit further along.
[21:17] <_brain_> Or lurk in #c-64
[21:17] <MikeP> brain: hehe, you can mention it when your ready :)
[21:17] <MikeP> snap!
[21:17] <Snogpitch> lurk? heaven forbid!
[21:17] * _brain_ has parts for yet another prj coming this week.
[21:18] <_brain_> Unfortunately, my Ethernet prototype board is delayed due to Florida hurricanes
[21:18] <Wildstar> I see in C64.h a list of defines.
[21:18] <MikeP> brain: i think you'll need a project manager soon ... *PUTS HAND UP*
[21:18] <_brain_> COuld probably use one.
[21:18] <MikeP> my requirements would be small...
[21:18] <MikeP> company car
[21:18] <MikeP> company phone
[21:18] <_brain_> If only to tell me to quit starting new prjs
[21:18] <_brain_> hehe
[21:18] <MikeP> about $50,0000
[21:18] <MikeP> i dont ask for much ;)
[21:19] <Snogpitch> what? no expense acct?  come on MikeP, you need that for sure
[21:19] <Wildstar> Which is what I assume is the source values for the timing.
[21:19] * TMR{C0S} will do it for $40,000 and just the car...!
[21:19] <MikeP> i'll even pay for the ticked to the US!
[21:19] <MikeP> damn, forgot about the expense account, yeah, one of those too
[21:19] <antares51> I'll do it for PEANUTS!
[21:19] <MikeP> antares: which one? Charlie Brown or Snoopy?
[21:20] <TMR{C0S}> And i have a guaranteed motivational style that works with everyone.  It's a stick with a 
  pointy bit at the end...
[21:20] <Wildstar> I am just trying to figure out HOW the CPU keeps its pace to the cycles per second value 
  in C64.h
[21:20] <antares51>  The type you eat from the ground.
[21:21] <_brain_> Wildstar, I know you're pumped, but this is not really the venue to ask such questions...
[21:21] <_brain_> All of those ?s require quite a bit of research
[21:21] <antares51> I's even pay _brain_ to work for him.
[21:21] <Wildstar> Where should ask these questions ????
[21:21] <Snogpitch> Are the authors of VICE around to ask?
[21:22] <_brain_> Well, I'd spend some time gathering the questions up, perusing the code, turn on debug mode 
  and recompile it.
[21:22] <Wildstar> Well, hmmmm.... I believe Groepaz is involved to some level.
[21:22] <_brain_> Then, after you sort out the questions you can;t answer, I think there is a VICE dev list
[21:23] <antares51> If EXISTS then...
[21:23] <_brain_> Well, you and gpz should use privmsg
[21:23] <groepaz> i'm not involved in vice
[21:23] <groepaz> vice team hates me so to say :=P
[21:23] <TMR{C0S}> Awww... how could anyone hate you? =-)
[21:23] <Wildstar> Ah, yet they credit you somewhere, Hmmmm..... :-)
[21:24] <last_ninj> well, it was nice to meet everyone.
[21:24] <_brain_> u leaving?
[21:24] <last_ninj> my wife will take over the computer now.
[21:24] <last_ninj> yeah
[21:24] <antares51> Too bad!
[21:24] <_brain_> bummer, we're just starting
[21:24] <groepaz> oh btw...if anyone feels like testing or sth.... ftp://ftp.musoftware.de/pub/groepaz/lcc65.z
  ip
[21:24] <last_ninj> I hope to be back next saturaday though.
[21:24] <groepaz> (there is the 65816 sim in it aswell)
[21:24] <last_ninj> take care everyone.
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[21:25] <antares51> Bye!
[21:25] <_brain_> is rb here
[21:25] <_brain_> ?
[21:25] <Wildstar> Cool, I might check it out and see if it brings some clues.
[21:25] <JLawless> RB said he'd be late in his c.s.c post.
[21:25] <_brain_> oh
[21:25] <_brain_> SO, topics...?
[21:26] <antares51> Never received post.
[21:26] <Snogpitch> Post was very early this morning or late last nite, depending on your time zone
[21:27] <Snogpitch> 237 according to the time stamp on the message I got
[21:27] <Wildstar> I'm just have to try to figure out their coding. Gnarly, hmmmm.... confusing and hard to 
  follow.
[21:27] <JLawless> It's in groups.google.com.  First page.
[21:27] <Wildstar> Oh well, time and reading the code over and over will eventually get the point.
[21:27] <Snogpitch> not yet in the groups.google is my answer for the fellow wanting to do WAVs on his 
  Commodore
[21:27] <JLawless> I have a question for the group... other than games, what new software do y'all think 
  needs to be written for the 64/128?
[21:27] <_brain_> yep...
[21:28] <antares51> Post never made it here. Just checked.
[21:28] <TMR{C0S}> Demos. =-)
[21:28] <_brain_> ethernet stuff
[21:28] <Snogpitch> I just posted it before getting on here, so it will need time to cross the globe
[21:28] <MikeP> It would be nice if there was a decent file manager for all these emerging new IDE and mass 
  storage devices, something like Xtree Gold for the 64
[21:28] <antares51> Liked Xtree.
[21:29] <_brain_> Hey, that's a nice idea
[21:29] <Snogpitch> what would the file manager do?
[21:29] <TMR{C0S}> Manage files! =-)
[21:29] <Snogpitch> manage in what way?
[21:29] * antares51 Yeah, right! (smacks head)
[21:29] <MikeP> allow you to navagate through directories and subdirectories. Highlight a file and view it or 
  execute it
[21:29] <TMR{C0S}> Ooh, technical question... don't look at me. =-)
[21:30] <MikeP> assign an external program to a file type
[21:30] * TMR{C0S} does games an' demos and that's about it.
[21:30] <Snogpitch> I have to admit, I do like the IDE64 filemanager for that...
[21:30] <MikeP> have split windows ( left and right ) so you can open a directory in each and copy files from 
  one to the other, delete files and so on.
[21:30] <Snogpitch> browse the directories, highlite the program, and run it 
[21:30] <antares51> Dirutil?
[21:31] * TMR{C0S} is nodding off so wanders off - g'bye, all.
[21:31] <antares51> Browser?
[21:31] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@spc1-leed5-5-0-cust114.seac.broadband.ntl.com) Quit (Quit: www.cosine.org.uk / 
www.oldschool-gaming.com)
[21:31] <MikeP> snog: yes, and I think Xtree for the PC was probably the ultimate in terms of being user 
  friendly
[21:31] <Snogpitch> Never used Xtree
[21:32] <Snogpitch> so I have nothing to compare it
[21:32] <antares51> Preferred some of the Amiga dirutils.
[21:32] <Snogpitch> I hear alot of amiga folk talk about opus?
[21:33] <Snogpitch> directory opus?
[21:33] <Snogpitch> something like that
[21:33] <MikeP> snog: back in the DOS days it made using a PC with a hard drive very easy. 
[21:33] <antares51> Some allowed extracting archives.
[21:33] <number16> DirOPUS is the bomb
[21:33] <MikeP> Snig: there are some similarities between Opus and Xtree in the way they work
[21:33] <antares51> Right!!!
[21:33] <Snogpitch> No Amiga, so I don't know about that one, either :)
[21:33] <MikeP> snog even
[21:34] * antares51 Leads charmed life.
[21:34] <MikeP> Anyway, that would be my vote for a programming project
[21:34] <MikeP> snog: heh, well, um, believe me it made doing stuff with files fun and easy!
[21:34] <Snogpitch> The only complain I have for the IDE64 mgr is that I would like to work on a single drive 
  directory, and have the entire screen dedicated to that
[21:35] <Snogpitch> then if I want two directories, just a hotkey away
[21:35] <antares51> No 80 columns?
[21:35] <Snogpitch> not on the 64
[21:35] <antares51> Not good.
[21:36] <MikeP> snog: maybe they will offer that as an option one day. Just ask Soci :)
[21:36] <antares51> Better...
[21:36] <Snogpitch> I'll ask AFTER the debugs
[21:37] <antares51> OK
[21:37] <Snogpitch> no sense in fudging up the code more than necessary
[21:37] <antares51> Agreed.
[21:37] <Snogpitch> that's one reason why I haven't been playing with the betas they have announced
[21:38] <MikeP> snog: yeah, the beta quite stable now, seems to work nicely, the only thing missing is cdrom 
  support which is on the way
[21:38] <Snogpitch> Figured what I have works at the moment
[21:38] <Snogpitch> CDrom support is a must tho
[21:38] <Snogpitch> It is one of the selling points in my opinion
[21:38] <antares51> Agreed.
[21:39] <Snogpitch> if they said they were going to get rid of that...
[21:39] <MikeP> snog: yeah, thats what I miss with the beta, but it is comming and I have enjoyed helping out 
  with the CMD compatability issues and other testing
[21:40] <Snogpitch> Only CMD hardware I have is my FD4000, and Ramlink
[21:40] <Snogpitch> Ramlink isn't connected when I'm using the IDE64
[21:40] <antares51> What's with CMDRKEY?
[21:40] <MikeP> snog: Well Soci wanted to make the Manager completely compatible with the CMD-DOS, so i've 
  been checking it works with the CMD HD I own.
[21:41] <MikeP> the end result will be a manager that works with both the IDE64 and CMD devices for seemless 
  usage
[21:42] <Snogpitch> Agreed, inter-compatibilities are a nice thing to have
[21:43] <Snogpitch> speaking of CMDRKEY, I noticed the USA CMDRKEY site was down this afternoon
[21:44] <antares51> Lots of flack on CSC.
[21:44] <Snogpitch> I was trying to research the WAV on a C= issue
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[21:45] <MikeP> snog: There was one last bug which I think soci has fixed in the latest beta
[21:45] <Snogpitch> Howdy rbernardo
[21:45] * rbernardo is now known as RobertB
[21:45] <antares51> Welcome rbernardo.
[21:45] <JLawless> antares:  In a nutshell, a number of people have been waiting a long time for delivery on 
  goods paid for.  You can google a number of conversations.
[21:45] <MikeP> snog: i'll flash my IDE64 with the new version tonight and hopefully that will fix that
[21:45] <MikeP> Hi Robert
[21:45] <RobertB> Hi, Snog, Antares, and Mike.
[21:46] <Pnacolada> Hi, Robert.
[21:46] <number16> howdy robert
[21:46] <RobertB> Hi, Ryan.
[21:46] <Snogpitch> One of these days I need to get my IDE64 drive project in gear...missing a few components 
  to finish the project
[21:46] <MikeP> snog: whats the project ?
[21:46] <RobertB> Hi, Scott.
[21:46] <Pnacolada> Just catching up with backscroll. Re: new projects, anyone ever consider an extension to 
  DOS that tells you what filetype a file is when you list the directory, kinda like a magic number for *nix?
[21:46] <Snogpitch> I gutted a 1541 case to put in a CDRom Drive
[21:47] <number16> Howdy again, Guess what I am watching
[21:47] <antares51> No idea.
[21:47] <RobertB> Uh, Star Trek?
[21:47] <MikeP> snog: do you fit a hard drive in there too?
[21:47] <Pnacolada> or maybe just an extension to the directory code on the drive... *shrug* don't know how 
  to explain it.
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[21:47] <MikeP> hi oldbit
[21:47] <Snogpitch> I could, but I'm not putting the hard drive in it
[21:47] <antares51> Hello Oldbitcol.
[21:47] <RobertB> Hi, Oldbit.
[21:47] <Snogpitch> Howdy Oldbitcol
[21:47] <Oldbitcol> Lo' all..
[21:48] <Snogpitch> I will snake out the cabling so one can be connected outside the case tho
[21:48] <MikeP> snog: I had an old external CDROM drive for a PC, so I took out the PC electronics and 
  installed a decent cdrom drive and laptop hard drive, thats my IDE64 setup.
[21:48] <Snogpitch> Right now, I'm using a Compact Flash card with the IDE64
[21:48] <number16> Not just Star Trek, the first Stasr Trek movie from my collectionm
[21:48] <antares51> Interesting...
[21:49] <Snogpitch> Using it as a RamDrive
[21:49] <RobertB> Ah, ST:TMP... the original or the director's edition.
[21:49] <antares51> How easy is it to build an IDE64?
[21:50] <Pnacolada> I've got it, maybe similar to the $=T command on the CMD HD that lists timestamps to the 
  right of the filetypes, maybe another $=<something> command that lists what the file really is. Maybe a 
  dumb idea :)
[21:50] <MikeP> antares: you dont build one, they are a complete device
[21:50] <number16> I think the original, It's from the boxed set on VHS I bout a while back and I got it out 
  of storage
[21:50] <antares51> How do you get one?
[21:50] <MikeP> antares: i'll leave that question to the US folks 
[21:50] <Snogpitch> You can get one thru Greg Nacu
[21:50] <antares51> Sounds good.
[21:50] <Pnacolada> So a dir listing would say 140 "FILE.TXT" S text file -- or something...
[21:51] <Snogpitch> gregnacu@kinston.net
[21:51] <Snogpitch> ooops typo on that addy
[21:51] <Snogpitch> it's kingston.net
[21:51] * MikeP ordered mine direct from Jens last year
[21:52] <Snogpitch> Greg does the North 
[21:52] <Pnacolada> 30 "<a>pic a doodle" doodle gfx
[21:52] * Pnacolada shrugs and hushes.
[21:52] <Snogpitch> Greg does the North American distribution
[21:52] <Snogpitch> This past spring's Expo in Louisville, he sold out all he brought with him
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[21:53] <MikeP> I have found one shortcomming with the IDE64 though....
[21:53] <RobertB> Hi, Draco.
[21:53] <Snogpitch> Howdy dracosilv
[21:53] <MikeP> hi draco
[21:54] <RobertB> It doesn't do REL files, right, Mike?
[21:54] <MikeP> robert: Ok, well make that two :)
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[21:54] <RobertB> Hi, Last_Ninj
[21:54] <Snogpitch> The biggest pain I have with the IDE64, is having to either have the SCPU set up or not, 
  can't do both without reflashing the eprom of the SCPU
[21:54] <MikeP> the drawback I was talking about is that now it can work with hard drives, cdrom drives AND 
  LS-120 drives it needs a secondary IDE port !
[21:55] <last_ninj> hi...i am back for 15 mins (all my wife will let me)
[21:55] <RobertB> You mean it's incompatible with the SCPU?
[21:55] <dracosilv> hey all!
[21:55] <Snogpitch> it's compatible with the scpu, to some extent
[21:55] <RobertB> To what extent, Snog?
[21:55] <MikeP> there is a special version of the IDE64 dos that is for SuperCPU owners
[21:56] <Snogpitch> however, if you disable the SCPU, you also disable the IDE64 :(
[21:56] <RobertB> That's not good, Snog.
[21:56] <Snogpitch> right, that's why it's my biggest gripe
[21:57] <Pnacolada> Ugh. :/
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[21:57] <MikeP> hi lord
[21:57] <Snogpitch> Should be able to work regardless of the setting of the SCPU
[21:57] <RobertB> Does the special version of the IDE64 DOS cure that?
[21:57] <Snogpitch> Howdy LordRonin
[21:57] <number16> hey LR
[21:57] <RobertB> Hi, Dave M.
[21:57] <Snogpitch> No idea, haven't tried the new betas
[21:57] <antares51> How much does an IDE64 cost?
[21:57] <MikeP> snog: are you running the SuperCPU version of IDEDOS?
[21:58] <Snogpitch> I'm runing the SCPU version of the IDE64
[21:58] <LordRonin> Hoi all bAg lag tonight. Had to try twice to connect through eskimo. Even aohell couldn't 
  connect
[21:58] <Snogpitch> $150
[21:58] <MikeP> snog: its not a beta, when they release the DOS they release a SuperCPU and Non SuperCPU 
  version
[21:58] <antares51> Hello LordRonin.
[21:58] <MikeP> ok.. 
[21:58] <RobertB> I connected just fine with Eskimo.
[21:58] <antares51> Running Eskimo.
[21:59] <Snogpitch> I'm on aohell
[21:59] <LordRonin> Robert: Got your pacakage many thanks. Making a disk for you of ST things that just came 
  in from #16. Shall send them off. Do you want me to send the Newsletter to yoour addy <frelling lag>
[22:00] -> [LordRonin] PING
[22:00] <RobertB> Sure, LR!  :-D
[22:00] <LordRonin> Dracosilv: The newsletter was posted to you today.
[22:00] -> [RobertB] PING
[22:00] -> [Snogpitch] PING
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[22:00] <Snogpitch> Howdy gamemaste
[22:00] <gamemaste> Hi snog
[22:00] <gamemaste> And all
[22:01] <LordRonin> Hoi Gamesmaste
[22:01] <antares51> The clock on the wall says "That all!". Must return to my nest. Bye!
[22:01] <Snogpitch> niters antares51
[22:01] <dracosilv> seeya
[22:01] <RobertB> Hi, Dan.
[22:01] <LordRonin> First attempts at eskimo gave the temporary unable* msg. Same at aohell
[22:01] <RobertB> Bye, Antares.
[22:01] <number16> Your going to love what Lord Ronin and I found on some GEOS disks I got recently
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[22:01] <LordRonin> BCNE Anataers51
[22:01] <dracosilv> what did you find?
[22:02] <RobertB> Oooo, what?  What?
[22:02] <dracosilv> that's what i would like to know.
[22:02] <last_ninj> Anyone still writing programs for a native c64?
[22:02] <Pnacolada> I'm trying, last_ninj :)
[22:03] <dracosilv> native?  you mean on a c64?  if so then yes... me and pna are working on one...
[22:03] <LordRonin> Tut Tut "16, mustn't spoil the surprixe about the other topless Leftanent Uhrua, Star 
  Trek 24 font or the Starfleet stationary in Geos
[22:03] <RobertB> Boing!
[22:04] <LordRonin> Last_ninja My group is learning Basic <I hate Lag!!>
[22:04] <Pnacolada> LordRonin: I've tried to D64 up Robert Stoerrle's Stereo SID Editor today, but I keep 
  getting a 70,no channel,00,00 error when I try to write the D64... kinda puzzled... :P I've done that 
  before with other disks, NovaTerm for example...
[22:04] <number16> I wasn't going to give it away, just tantilizing Robert
[22:04] <LordRonin> Mind now Robert. I still haven't found the box with the original Classic Star Trek 
  patches from 67
[22:04] <RobertB> O.K., LR.
[22:05] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: What programme are you using. BTW about the newsletter xchanges <damn lag>
[22:05] <RobertB> Tantalizing, Scott?  The word is titilating.  :-)
[22:06] <last_ninj> I was just wondering...because I havent seen a lot of pure c64 development online.
[22:06] <MikeP> brb - switching to c64
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[22:06] <LordRonin> I've used the d64it and the one from Load Star several times. Though thaer are spome that 
  have problems with T&S and non standard disks.
[22:06] <Snogpitch> I have those Star Trek patches in the closet somewhere :)
[22:06] <number16> so my gramar and word usage needs work
[22:06] <RobertB> lol
[22:06] <LordRonin> #16, I prefer to use the term torture. BTW: Robert may have a new GeoPaint of different 
  Enterpirses that the one I gave you already.
[22:07] <LordRonin> Last_Ninja: My work and the groups work is all being given to Load Star.
[22:07] <Snogpitch> Got them years ago from Star Trek Enterprises, aka Lincoln Enterprises
[22:07] <last_ninj> Currently I am working on serval projects: basic compiler, text-adventure scripting 
  language.
[22:08] <last_ninj> How is the status of LoadStar?
[22:08] <LordRonin> Snogpitch: Mine are someplace. Bought them back in 66/67  and still have them in the 
  little envelope that they were shipped in, along with a few of the stickers.
[22:08] <RobertB> LR, Bruce Thomas and I were e-mailing about patches for 4-drive usage in GEOS.  Have you 
  heard of such a thing, or would you have them?
[22:08] <RobertB> Well, make that 4-drive usage in GEOS apps?
[22:08] <RobertB> Oops, no question mark.
[22:08] <last_ninj> I had heard LoadStar hads plans to end after a certain number of issues?
[22:09] <LordRonin> Yuppers, Lincoln Enterprises is where I bought mine.
[22:09] <RobertB> Yes, Last_Ninj.
[22:10] <LordRonin> Lsst Ninja: FWIW just published in our newsletter a walk through for that game. AFAIK LS 
  is going fine. RevDave is going to be flooded in a week with requested submissions from me.
[22:10] <LordRonin> Robet: Wasn't there some of those in the past? I? mean here at the kibbutz I use 
  Whhels/Wave. At the shop I use the DL of Geos 128 and 64. There a 4 drive patch would be of use.
[22:11] <last_ninj> I would be interested in submitting some material to LoadStar as well? What kinds of 
  programs are they looking for?
[22:11] <LordRonin> Opps that should have read "Robert"
[22:11] <RobertB> I'm talking just about GEOS apps, not Wheels.
[22:11] <LordRonin> Frelling Lag
[22:12] <RobertB> All kinds, Last_Ninj.
[22:12] <Pnacolada> last_ninj: Interesting re: the text-adventure scripting language, what's it like?
[22:12] <LordRonin> last ninja: Well, last personal e-mail from Revdave was pretty open. When he OKs a 1st ed 
  AD&D adventure in Geos as well as asks for a collection of fiction from me. My next project is a campaign 
  using the dungeon creator. So I would say there are infinite
[22:13] <Pnacolada> I'd love to have something with extensibility like a MUD, but with the foudations of the 
  Z-machine...
[22:14] <last_ninj> Currently, developing on the PC, but will port to the C64.
[22:14] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: Make it useable by the C= users <wave> and I'll DM it for you. Got 46 years of 
  XP on that job.
[22:15] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: His group of teens that are learning to programme are interested in text 
  adventures. I have don a little and am reviewing the golden flutes and great escapes bookk for them <I 
  really hate lag>
[22:15] <last_ninj> It will use p-code.
[22:15] <LordRonin> Ah change that to 26 years
[22:16] <LordRonin> Last Ninja what is p-code? Can a C=128 user use it?
[22:16] <last_ninj> You can enter rooms descriptions, items ect and code the rules in a simple programming 
  langue
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[22:16] <RobertB> Hi, Mike again.
[22:17] <MIKEC64> rehi all, now online using c64 , contiki and its irc client
[22:17] <RobertB> Yay!
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[22:17] <LordRonin> Last ninja: Define for this dum ignert ork, the term simple!
[22:17] <JavaUser1> beeman
[22:17] <LordRonin> Hoi Mike
[22:17] <last_ninj> pseudo-code
[22:17] <LordRonin> Hoi java user
[22:17] <MIKEC64> hi lord, java user
[22:18] <RobertB> Hi, Java.
[22:18] <last_ninj> or byte codes.
[22:18] <LordRonin> Last Ninja: Ah could you relate that to those of us struggling with GOTO and GOSUB?
[22:19] <JavaUser1> Hi, Bob B
[22:19] <last_ninj> ok...each byte is like a basic token.
[22:19] <LordRonin> OK regular weekly qwuestion. Is the guy here tonight that asked me about pocket writer?
[22:19] <RobertB> Not me.
[22:19] <MIKEC64> not me!
[22:20] <LordRonin> Been a month of IRC meetings. Since the question was asked. Wanted a .D64. Got better got 
  factory in the box
[22:20] <LordRonin> With dox
[22:20] <last_ninj> for instance one byte repersent the command "DESC" so when the interpreter encounters 
  that byte it will execute the function to describe a room.
[22:21] <Pnacolada> Sorry to be so out of it.
[22:21] <Pnacolada> LR: I've heard of that book... would it be possible to etext it?
[22:21] <last_ninj> what it byte code will repersent and what it will do is up to the programmer.
[22:21] <Pnacolada> And I'm working on it, slowly but surely. You can read about it here: 
  http://home.comcast.net/~r.sherwood/tada
[22:22] <LordRonin> Last Ninja: Think that this might be a bit past my level. Unless it is possible to have a 
  PRG that I can use on the C= to assist. Otherwise it would be simply story set up and telling
[22:22] <MIKEC64> will jeri be joining us tonight or is she busy/away?
[22:22] <Pnacolada> last ninj, sounds interesting, is it like Adventure Gamewriter's Toolkit? I have a copy 
  of that somewhere... been looking at Inform but I don't know C, also looked at TADS and Adrift...
[22:23] <last_ninj> well, the author using the scripting language wont have to worry about that.
[22:23] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: Well first, about the newsletter exchange??  The e-text would take me a while 
  to make it in GeoWrite. But it is something that I wnat to do.
[22:23] <LordRonin> Assuming you meant the Golden Flutes and Great Escapes
[22:23] <Pnacolada> LR: Yes about GFaGE.
[22:23] <last_ninj> you just enter a rooms as "DESC <room name>, the room text, and other attributes ect.
[22:24] <Pnacolada> At this time, sadly, I am an editor of a nonexistant newsletter.
[22:24] <LordRonin> Last Ninja: If I can deal with the language I can give it a go. But remember that I am 
  the most militantly fanatical C= only user on this caht.
[22:24] <Pnacolada> I will put it on my to do list to bug the folks at the next meeting, tell them you are 
  interested in a newsletter exchange.
[22:24] <RobertB> Aw, Ryan, why is that?
[22:24] <Pnacolada> cause no one has anything to give me :)
[22:24] <MIKEC64> pna{ at least you'll always get positive reader feedback :)
[22:24] <Pnacolada> mmhmm :)
[22:25] <RobertB> Oh, I see.
[22:25] <last_ninj> well, it is designed to be simple and english like....not so much like a programming 
  languge.
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[22:25] <Pnacolada> Karl Stone says he has stacks and stacks of C64 stories/info in his house but can't get 
  to it because of moutains of computer equipment blocking the way...
[22:25] <Pnacolada> I might be able to write a few articles on my own... I don't know, really.
[22:25] <last_ninj> if you have an email address I can send you a sample of the scritping languge? (I have to 
  let my wife use the computer in a second)
[22:26] <Pnacolada> We had a short discussion about the merits of going entirely electronic, it would save on 
  stamps.
[22:26] <Wildstar> Hallo MIKEC64
[22:26] <RobertB> There you go, Ryan.  Karl has plenty of stories for you.
[22:26] <Pnacolada> last_ninj: r.sherwood@comcast.net
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[22:26] <Snogpitch> have the wife visit us in chat :)
[22:26] <Pnacolada> Oh, I've been after him for 2 years now to dig up stories :)
[22:27] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: The work on the bookm is a bit of work. Typing in each character from a book 
  over 1/2" thick. Never got a responce from the publisher. So it is fair game AFAI. just a frelling lot of 
  work. Now don't tell me that you need me to write your newslet
[22:27] <LordRonin> Last Ninja: Well the major thing is will your engine run through/on a C= for me to sassist
[22:28] <Pnacolada> LordRonin: That is why you use optical character recognition on the PC to speed the 
  process.
[22:28] <last_ninj> snogpitch: she would be happy to chat =) That is her favorite hobby.
[22:28] <Pnacolada> I'm not asking you to write anything, LR.
[22:28] <last_ninj> yes, it will run on a c64 when it is finised.
[22:29] <Pnacolada> I'm just stating that due to a lack of content, there is no newsletter to trade, yet. :)
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[22:29] <Pnacolada> Maybe Karl can get back issues or something.
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[22:29] <Pnacolada> I have one or two around here someplace, I'd have to scan them in I guess.
[22:29] <MikePaWay> grrr@laptop going into suspend mode
[22:30] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: But my only PC is the C=!!! Trust me, I can fill 16 pages eah month with my 
  group. ]I can babble wnough for yours as well <SEG>
[22:30] <last_ninj> I am working on a good text compression sceme so you can have a good size advanture in 
  only 64k though.
[22:30] <Wildstar> So LR, how's Mad Max doing.
[22:31] <LordRonin> Last Ninja: Have you ever dealt with the M?UD example on the C=? If not I have it on my 
  BBS.
[22:31] <LordRonin> #(, been teaching me some new tools for T&S checking and some cra king tips.
[22:32] <LordRonin> Really hate Lag, that should read #8 and Cracking
[22:32] <LordRonin> As well as MUD for Last Ninja
[22:32] <last_ninj> I have not dealt with MUD's too much before.
[22:33] <last_ninj> I have played around with most of the adventure authoring systems for the PC like AGT, 
  Inform ect.
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[22:34] <Pnacolada> LR: Get someone else to do it for you, what about Lord Alberonn?
[22:34] <LordRonin> last ninja: I have bookmarked a site with 1650 < the number stuck in my head from a CBM 
  device > of Ansi MUDs. I just haven't had the time to try them.
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[22:34] <Pnacolada> last_ninj: Yeah, good systems. :) I like the Z-Machine's 5 bit ASCII :)
[22:34] <MIKEC64> gee, i come back and find my c64 has dropped its connection too!
[22:34] <Wildstar> wb, MikeC
[22:34] <RobertB> Hi, Mike... your C64 is back on-line.
[22:34] <last_ninj> What eactly is a MUD like? How do you program one?
[22:34] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: LA, who should have been here by now. Runs strictly Amiga.
[22:34] <RobertB> Hi, Henley.
[22:34] <Pnacolada> Yes, I know :)
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[22:34] <Snogpitch> wasn't LA #16?
[22:35] <LordRonin> last nija: think of a large multi player text adventure.
[22:35] <MIKEC64> robert: yeah i got up to check on the laptop, came back and found the c64 offline, its a 
  plot against me !
[22:35] <Pnacolada> A MUD is a multi user dungeon -- you can interact with your surroundings, and extend them 
  by writing programs, objects, interactions with them.
[22:35] <LordRonin> damn lag read that as last ninja
[22:35] <RobertB> :-)
[22:35] <last_ninj> Yeah, the Z-machine had pretty decent text compression in 5 bits....but think text copuld 
  be compressed even more.
[22:36] <LordRonin> Snogpitch No #16 is Scott Farley a.k.a. Daniel #16 on the BBS. Lord Alberonn is my 
  adopted son Mark Reed #4 on the Village BBS
[22:36] <Pnacolada> hmm, wouldn't know how to do that, LN. I could probably write the equivalent of the 5-bit 
  ASCII in BASIC if I tried... maybe...
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[22:36] <RobertB> Hi, Bryan.
[22:36] <MatrixMan> Hey Robert.. how is it going?! :)
[22:37] <RobertB> Better and better, Bryan.
[22:37] <LordRonin> Most of my online game work has been with running the Top Secret and Top Secret SI arenas 
  for T$R on GEnie back in the day.
[22:37] <Snogpitch> Howdy MatrixMan
[22:37] <Pnacolada> What kinds of concepts does the GFaGE book cover, LR?
[22:37] <LordRonin> Well as reagards to the MUD thinggy. I can create the "dungeon" and the story for anyone 
  interested. The final PRG lines is another matter.
[22:38] <LordRonin> Hoi MatrixMan
[22:38] <MatrixMan> Hello Song, LordRonin!
[22:38] <MatrixMan> um
[22:38] <MatrixMan> snog
[22:38] <Pnacolada> I have the book by Abacus, _Adventure Gamewriter's Handbook_... not bad, it was a 
  starting point.
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[22:39] <Alberonn> Hello all. Had cabin fever, had to get out of the house for a bit...
[22:39] <Snogpitch> Howdy Alberonn
[22:39] <RobertB> Hi, Mark.
[22:39] <Pnacolada> Alberonn:  Speak of the devil :)
[22:39] <last_ninj> I have to go now...my wife is nagging me.
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[22:39] <last_ninj> I will see everyone soon...take care.
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[22:39] <Pnacolada> Aw.
[22:40] <Alberonn> OH no... I get on and people are pingin' out...
[22:40] <JLawless> There's an on-line adventure gaming book at http://www.atariarchives.org ...
[22:40] <LordRonin> Pnacolada: Waht I don't get to sen off 20 pages of ramblings for your newsletter 
  <ROTFLMAO> Well it is annodated an it start5s <damn lag> Can't see what I wrote. Anyway the first part is  
  alled MARS. Deals a lot with things like DIM ARRAYS
[22:41] <LordRonin> ADDENDUM it is all Basic
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[22:41] <MIKEC64> hmmm, i think the irc client has some issues
[22:42] <RobertB> Oh, not good.
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[22:43] <Pnacolada> JLawless: I read that once :)
[22:43] <Alberonn> Pity. But was'nt it the first time the IRC client came out on Contiki
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[22:43] <MikeP> something strange going on 
[22:43] <RobertB> Yes, Mark.
[22:43] <Alberonn> What was it???
[22:43] <MikeP> back to the pc for now
[22:44] <MikeP> it is the developers release so bugs are to be expected
[22:44] <MikeP> probably just needed to restart contiki but i'm not in the mood today for screwing around 
  with it
[22:44] <Alberonn> Yup. But at least it's a start. What was it doing that was so goofy???
[22:45] <Wildstar> Well, MikeC is on and off again.
[22:45] <MikeP> well it would disconnect for no reason.
[22:45] <groepaz> it has a few issues
[22:45] <MikeP> i got up to see what the output was like on my laptop and when i returned to the c64 the irc 
  client had been disconnected
[22:45] <groepaz> there is a bug in the tcp/ip stack aswell
[22:46] <MikeP> then it didnt seem to reconnect properly, because i saw right after i had connected my 
  connection was reset
[22:46] <Alberonn> Hopefully it will be fixed sometime soon...
[22:46] <MikeP> maybe the tcp/ip bug is related
[22:46] <MikeP> alberonn: i'm sure by the time it is a release candidate it will be
[22:47] <MikeP> as i said, i was using the developers release
[22:47] <groepaz> yes irc and dhcp are to be fixed asap
[22:47] <Wildstar> You know, they seem to never lock my threads on Lemon64
[22:47] <MikeP> i didnt have any problems with DHCP, it seemed to work fine when i used it, although normally 
  i have a fixed ip
[22:47] <groepaz> dhcp didnt work here :(
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[22:48] <groepaz> but probably related to the tcp/ip bug
[22:48] <LordRonin> Frell #8, I forgot my PW for Lemon
[22:48] <MikeP> i tested DHCP the night i installed the package but then configured it back to a static ip. 
[22:49] <Wildstar> LR, there is a link that says "I forgot my password". (no quotes usually)
[22:49] <MikeP> also couldnt get Telnet to work with a C64 Telnet BBS :( when i got to the press backspace 
  for ascii/cg detection it just sat there, like it wasnt passing through the BS
[22:50] <LordRonin> #8, just no tinme right now to work on the Inet. I'm only online here for the chat each 
  week. Mail is piling up
[22:50] <MikeP> and the G/C Telnet term didnt work either, tried that on the same BBS and got no output what 
  so ever
[22:50] <Wildstar> So if you select the link - it should prompt to ask User Name and Email address and a 
  submit button.
[22:50] <Alberonn> If we were to try it here, I'd probally set it for a static IP address since I like to 
  know where is something on my local network. LOL
[22:50] <Wildstar> Don't worry, just note it down.
[22:50] <MikeP> alberonn: i set mine to 192.168.1.64 so its easy to remember
[22:50] <LordRonin> MikeP, have your contacted my BBS yet?
[22:51] <Alberonn> Bummer on the Telnet clients...
[22:51] <MikeP> lord: No I haven't, you have a telnet BBS?
[22:51] <Alberonn> No, it'd direct dial now...
[22:51] <Wildstar> What it should do is email the password to your internet email address.
[22:52] <Wildstar> So you can get the info when ever you get a chance.
[22:52] <Alberonn> Perhaps later, but he stiil wan't to have modem support somehow as well...
[22:52] <Alberonn> still wants
[22:52] <LordRonin> Neg MikeP, mine is direct dial here in the states. Seems to be a gigantic problem to go 
  telnet that we didn't know at the time #4 <lord Alberonn> Can explain that bdtter than I <frelling lag>
[22:53] <Alberonn> We talked a bit about it ladt week. IIRC...
[22:53] <Alberonn> last week
[22:53] <KilrPilr> Hey LR how the heck are ya
[22:53] <KilrPilr> Hey everyone
[22:53] <RobertB> Hi, Leo.
[22:53] <Wildstar> lagging through
[22:53] <KilrPilr> Hi Robert
[22:53] <KilrPilr> wild*
[22:53] <Alberonn> Hoi
[22:53] <KilrPilr> Hi LA!
[22:54] <LordRonin> I've had some difficulties in connecting to C= boards through Wave.
[22:54] <KilrPilr> sorry buys i wont be hangin around much longer as i have family staying with me due to 
  thanksgiving holiday this weekend
[22:54] <Pnacolada> MikeP, whose board did you try calling?
[22:54] <Snogpitch> ya, you would since the Wave telneting wouldn't do C=G
[22:54] <Alberonn> The one telnet BBS I tried was a bit laggy, but it was good to see a Telnetable C= BBS
[22:55] <KilrPilr> LR did you get my email with instructions for the website?>
[22:55] <RobertB> Thanksgiving, Leo?
[22:55] <Pnacolada> A lot of people have complained my BBS is laggy, blame the net :)
[22:55] <Snogpitch> Must be Canadian Thanksgiving
[22:55] <RobertB> Ah.
[22:56] <Snogpitch> I'm right, eh?
[22:56] <Alberonn> I think he did it was forewarded to me, but i haven't grabbed my e-mail yet. I have to 
  make the site first...
[22:56] <MikeP> lord: ok, bit expensive to call your BBS as i'm in Australia :)
[22:56] <KilrPilr> yeah canada
[22:56] <Wildstar> Yeah, its no fair. We can't hide totally on Thanksgiving.
[22:56] <LordRonin> KilrPilr: Ok the lag is a bummedr.  Yeah got it, but haven't DL et i yet. Lord Alberonn 
  had the msg forwared as he understands the terms better than I.
[22:56] <Alberonn> 10-10-987??? LOL
[22:57] <antigen> what do Canucks have to give thanks for?
[22:57] <antigen> (that's a straight line)
[22:57] <LordRonin>  KilrPilr: We must make it official for the group. But thank you for the offer.
[22:57] <MikeP> pna: yours wasnt it!
[22:57] <Alberonn> Oh oh... is it growing warn in here sunndely???
[22:57] <Alberonn> warm
[22:57] <Pnacolada> MikeP: It was? (forgets)
[22:57] <Wildstar> Hehehe, antigen
[22:58] <Wildstar> Now, we be careful - Jim Butterfield is a Canadian.
[22:58] * Pnacolada wonders if it'd be any different trying straight telnet...
[22:58] <LordRonin> MikeP: Ah, the land down under home of "midnight Oil". Well if you have a 10 10 thing 
  like here it is like 7 cents/mihn <I really hate LAG!!>
[22:59] <MikeP> pna: we tried the contiki telnet client and it got stuck at the press backspace for cg / 
  ascii detection
[22:59] <Pnacolada> ah
[22:59] <LordRonin> Yeah #8, but I hold Dual Isralie Use citizenship.
[22:59] <LordRonin> I hate lag!!!
[22:59] <MikeP> then we tried th cg term which had no putput at all
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[23:00] <Wildstar> yeah.
[23:00] <LordRonin> MikeP have your tried Wave? That is what I need to use to enter Telnet and the Inet. 
  ]Using it now
[23:01] <Pnacolada> That's really wird, lots of other users call with cgterm and have no problem...
[23:01] <LordRonin> REALLY hat this lag!!
[23:01] <MikeP> lord: No I havent, what is it and where do i download it ??
[23:01] <LordRonin> read that as hate
[23:01] <Wildstar> Well, I could then hold a dual US/Europe citizenship. :-))
[23:01] <Wildstar> Ok, joking.
[23:01] <Alberonn> WAVE is for Wheels. It's on Maurice's site IIRC...
[23:02] <MikeP> Wheels is an updated version of Geos isnt it ??
[23:03] <Snogpitch> yes, it's an updated Geos, and you need a SCPU to run Wave
[23:03] <LordRonin> MikeP: Step one, you ,ust have GEOS/Wheels/SCCUP. Then you can connect then you use that 
  to connect o a non direct dial shell acounnt. I use it to Telnet to Videocam is South Australia. Where I 
  then IRC to this chat.
[23:03] <RobertB> Wheels is a modern O.S. that can use GEOS apps.
[23:03] <_brain_> I thought you need Ram expansion for Wheels, but not SCPU
[23:03] <MikeP> lord: i dont have a SuperCPU :( I placed an order with Maurice for one earlier this year 
  but.....
[23:03] <Snogpitch> correct, _brain_
[23:04] <RobertB> Yes, a ram expander is required.
[23:04] <LordRonin> Yes consider Wheels as an updated version  of  Geso
[23:04] <MikeP> Ok I have ram expansion ( Ramlink )
[23:04] <Alberonn> SCPU is needed for Wave though
[23:04] <MikeP> ok, well wave is out for me
[23:04] <LordRonin> AFAIK a REU is needed for Wheels. I think that a 1750 will work. I am using the SCPU with 
  16megs at the moment
[23:05] <MikeP> So I can run wheels but not wave., can i download Wheels or do you have to buy it from 
  Maurice?
[23:05] <Alberonn> Until you can get ihe SCPU. Hopwfully that won't be for too miuch longer.
[23:05] <LordRonin> MikeP: Well I sent my Smart Mouse for repiar and it has been 2+ years from Maurice.
[23:05] <Alberonn> Wheels is commercial
[23:05] <RobertB> Yes, the 17xx series from Commodore work fine with Wheels.
[23:05] <Snogpitch> Wheels isn't downloadable
[23:05] <Wildstar> Checking over my Gmail account.
[23:05] <Wildstar> Nothing new came in.
[23:06] <MikeP> in that case i doubt i'll own wheels.. i'd consider buying it if i thought i would get use 
  out of it however whats the point, you cant buy anything from Maurice atm
[23:06] <LordRonin> Wheels AFAIK is still commercial but Wave you can get from his site or my BBS. <got 
  permission>
[23:06] <MikeP> lord: i read a post where you mentioned that, I hope you do get your mouse back one day
[23:06] <Alberonn> He's out of the country, so it's probally the website...
[23:06] <Alberonn> LOL
[23:06] <MikeP> who's out of the country?
[23:06] <LordRonin> If it wasnA't for Wave/Wheels. I wouldn't be able to be onloine. But I understand your 
  feelings. At the tune of $40USED for two years.
[23:07] <RobertB> Well, unless I get that order from comp.sys.cbm, we still have unopened packages of Wheels 
  for sale.
[23:07] <Alberonn> MikeP:Weren't you not in the US???
[23:07] <RobertB> Mike is in Australia.
[23:07] <MikeP> alberonn: nope, haven't made it to your shores yet
[23:07] <Alberonn> Yup I though so...
[23:07] <LordRonin> Thanks MikeP. I doubt that he has many left handed mice  on his stack <BG>
[23:08] <Alberonn> Me phrased my question a bit wackt. Gotta watch what I type closer...
[23:08] <MikeP> lord: heh, i doubt so too
[23:08] <Snogpitch> wackt?
[23:08] <MikeP> isnt there someone that lives near Maurice that can go knock on his door, sit down down and 
  then whack him with a very large and smelly fish ?????
[23:08] <Alberonn> Yeah, LR has my mouse and it's almost toast. I heard that Maurcie may be able to make a 
  smartmouse if he can get a chip out of my CBM-made mouse...
[23:08] <LordRonin> Last time I was in Oz, was 70. Great people and rather freindly in the bars in Melbouren 
  and Sidney <sp?> to a service man from Nam. Love the people of that country.
[23:09] <Alberonn> But, I'd like a PS2 Mouse adapter and an optical mouse...
[23:09] <Alberonn> Want that for my Amiga as well... LOL
[23:10] <LordRonin> Well if I was to travell the 1200+ miles to see him. I don't think he would like a long 
  haird bearded fanatict aremd to the teeth at his door.
[23:10] <RobertB> Why would you be armed, LR?
[23:10] <MikeP> lord: Well the place has changed alot since then, we're not quite the backwater we once were 
  but thankfully we've retained out friendliness and openess. I'm sure some of the vets would be surprised 
  about your nam comment tho
[23:11] <Alberonn> He's always armed. He has two to them that don't work very well either... LOL
[23:11] <MikeP> armed with a smelly fish, i like non violent yet abstract methods of getting a point across :)
[23:11] <LordRonin> Yelling Commodore Uber Alles
[23:11] <Snogpitch> I'm about 5 hours from MR, probably not the closest tho
[23:11] <RobertB> Time for a visit, Snog!
[23:12] <_brain_> hey, who's gonna come visit us in the MidWest?
[23:12] <LordRonin> Robert: MikeP: I left my money on the bar in Sidney. The barmad gave it bak to me the 
  next day!!
[23:12] <Snogpitch> He was at the Louisville Expo, IF I am keeping my Expos straight in my mind
[23:13] <Alberonn> So many expos, so little money to go....
[23:13] <LordRonin> MikeP here on the west coast oif the use. That would be a slamon or a tuna.
[23:13] <RobertB> Not me, Jim B... it's not in my budget.
[23:13] <MikeP> brain: your awake, you've been awfull silent, hey, your not starting new projects on us are 
  you! as your official project manager......... :)
[23:13] * _brain_ loves slamon
[23:13] <_brain_> Uh, well, been working on one.
[23:13] <Snogpitch> How many are planning on going to the Toronto Expo in December?
[23:13] <Alberonn> Tel us more, tell us more!!! LOL
[23:13] <MikeP> lord: i'd like to think we're still the same in that respect
[23:13] * _brain_ says smoked slamon is best
[23:14] <LordRonin> Brain: not if you worked in the canneries and cleaned the freller at X amount a pounds a 
  day fo $5/hour
[23:14] <MikeP> brain: ok, well, only one more ;)
[23:14] * _brain_ has had slamon in Washington state
[23:14] <RobertB> Not sure, Snog.
[23:14] <_brain_> LR, lemmee tell you about beef, then...
[23:14] * _brain_ raised Angus
[23:14] <Alberonn> Funny thing is we have a lot of seafood in the area and it's so freakin' expensive here...
[23:14] <LordRonin> MikeP: A friend of mine went to World Con a couple years back in Oz. Sidney IIRC. He was 
  very impressed with the people. He is also another Nam vet.
[23:15] <Pnacolada> Where in WA, _brain_? Born there you know :)
[23:15] * MikeP bbq'd some beef for lunch and dinner yesterday
[23:15] <_brain_> brb, have baby duty
[23:15] <Pnacolada> or did you just have it shipped? :)
[23:15] <LordRonin> Brain: They are dumb ignorant animals that require a 2x4 in the testicles to make them 
  move. LR worked on a Black Angus ranceh
[23:15] <RobertB> Nah, Mark... not expensive, just go to Long John Silver's.  :-)
[23:15] <Alberonn> Eeeeecccchhhh!!!!!!
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[23:16] <Snogpitch> yuck :6
[23:16] <LordRonin> Tawin't Kosjher Robet
[23:16] <RobertB> O.K., how about Skipper's, Mark?
[23:16] <Alberonn> Actually I remember all of the Ivar's in Seattle...
[23:16] <LordRonin>  I really hate lag. Can't correct mispells
[23:16] <MikeP> lord: Victorian people are even nicer than Sydney people , hehe
[23:16] <Alberonn> They were decent...
[23:17] <LordRonin> Do I detect a personal bias there MikeP? And are you a part of a OZ U.G.?
[23:17] <RobertB> Skipper's is my favorite of the chains... too bad they moved out of California.
[23:17] <_brain_> ok, back
[23:17] <Alberonn> My mother's cooked seafood dishes... Ummmmm.....
[23:17] <_brain_> Yes, on the Angus info
[23:17] <Pnacolada> Ah yes, Seattle... home of the fish-flingin' Pike Place Market, Starbucks, the Space 
  Needle... Alki Beach (lived 3 blocks away from it)... Ivar's... :)
[23:17] <dracosilv> got a few questions for you guys... 1: what extra programs come with geos 2.0 for the 
  c128?
[23:17] <_brain_> IN WA, had to attend something in Redmond, but we visited Olympic National Park
[23:17] <LordRonin> FWIW I subscribe to the VCZ C= FIDO list
[23:17] <dracosilv> 2: what extra programs would you recommend as essential...
[23:18] <LordRonin> Pnacolada. But Calif where Robert is has nude beaches!
[23:18] <Pnacolada> _brain_: Awesome, that place is so pretty :)
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[23:18] <Alberonn> Nice place the park.. My Dad loved it...
[23:18] <MikeP> lord: all Victorians are biased against any other state!! We have an Internet based 
  usergroup, just a Yahoo group that I run
[23:18] <MikeP> hi smiler
[23:18] <LordRonin> dracosilve: Please espand the question
[23:18] <Snogpitch> Howdy smilertoo
[23:18] <smilertoo> hello
[23:18] * Pnacolada is of the opinion that most people who use nude beaches cause hysterical blindness.
[23:18] <Alberonn> Hello :)
[23:18] <LordRonin> Yeah my lst serious gilr frien lives with her wife on capitol hill
[23:19] <Wildstar> Anyone wanting a 1 GB Email account.
[23:19] <LordRonin> MikeP: Well if I save up enough, or the  homestead laws revert. Yopu may just see me 
  there.
[23:19] * _brain_ has a 160 GB email account
[23:19] <RobertB> sWhere?!  I thought they were in Vancouver, B.C.
[23:19] <Alberonn> Yeah, but the sunburn's murder on those beaches... LOL
[23:19] <Pnacolada> My uncle Don lived on Capitol Hill. He did work for the Seattle Parks Department as an 
  architecht and historian. His papers are in MOHAI - the Museum of History and Industry, used as textbook 
  material I believe.
[23:19] <LordRonin> BRB: Gotta  release the beer.
[23:20] <Wildstar> Well, running your own server.
[23:20] <dracosilv> lordronin:  which one?
[23:20] <_brain_> Hey, no one said that was invalid.
[23:20] <Alberonn> My dad used to be with the King County Park's Dept.
[23:20] <Wildstar> I thought I just give a few of these Gmail accounts invites.
[23:20] <Pnacolada> Alberonn: Cool. :)
[23:20] <_brain_> Got one.
[23:20] <_brain_> Not sure what to do with it
[23:20] <RobertB> Hi, Smilertoo.
[23:20] <Wildstar> Well....
[23:20] <dracosilv> lr: well basically i mean that what are the programs that are included with geos 128 
  2.0...
[23:20] <Alberonn> Who knows maybe the knew each other???
[23:21] <smilertoo> hi
[23:21] <MikeP> lord: homestead laws?
[23:21] <Wildstar> ok, its a deep subject.
[23:21] <dracosilv> lr: and what programs would you recommend to me (as an average user that might like to 
  'use the c64' for some of the standard things that can be done on the pc.
[23:21] * _brain_ has a screaming child in his lap... Knows how it got here
[23:21] <RobertB> GEOS 128 comes standard with GEOWrite 2.1, geoMerge, Text Grabber, GeoPaint 128, and 
  GeoSpell 128.
[23:22] <dracosilv> so... a text editor, a spellchecker, a 'mail merge' program, a paint program, and some 
  other programs...
[23:22] <LordRonin> dracosilv: #23
[23:23] <RobertB> I recommend the Geowrite 128 2.2 patch from Todd Elliott.
[23:23] <LordRonin> MikeP: Define homestead lawas please
[23:23] <Pnacolada> Alberonn: It's very possible. Grandpa Don was pretty well liked round those parts. He did 
  illustrations for Robert Newell's _Totem Tales of Old Seattle_, an interesting book on the early history of 
  the area.
[23:23] <RobertB> A must-have.
[23:23] <Alberonn> I'd agree that GESO is where you get a lot of good productiviy work done. And PostPrint is 
  good for your output if you have a PostScript printer...
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[23:23] <Pnacolada> BRB
[23:24] <MikeP> lord: you said "Well if I save up enough, or the  homestead laws revert. Yopu may just see me 
  there.", I dont know what you mean by homestead laws???
[23:24] <LordRonin> Dracosilv: Save for the fa t that the 80c version is in the 128 DL from CMDRKEY.COM. They 
  are the same as the 64 version. 80c give better cursor control for editing.
[23:24] <LordRonin> I use the DL version in the shop for both the 64 and the 128.
[23:24] <Wildstar> Geos 2.0 128 version ????
[23:24] <LordRonin>  What expressily do you seek cracosilv?
[23:25] <RobertB> Yes, Rick B.
[23:25] <Wildstar> Ah, yes.
[23:25] <Alberonn> Very cool. My dad Dennis, did a lot of work in and around the Snoqualimie area, but I 
  don't remember what parks were under him. He worked for the Parks Dept for years. He was living in Redmond 
  when he died...
[23:25] <Wildstar> Remember that.
[23:25] <Alberonn> I think he may of had some stuff closer to the Seattle area...
[23:25] <Wildstar> LR, get any better and you would call dracosilv crocsilv
[23:26] <LordRonin> MikeP: Sorry there is this lag and I send off the msg before I can read the lines on my 
  128. The homestead laws changed in the last 20 years. Back in the 60-70s there was a big thing for 
  immigrants ot Oz. Land and all that sort of thing. Looked into it 30.
[23:26] <Pnacolada> Alberonn: Yeah, I worked up in Alpental for a year at the ski resort. :)
[23:26] <LordRonin> Wow great lag problem. That should have read "dracosilv"
[23:26] <RobertB> I went to Snoqualime back in 2001, looking for Amiga, Inc..
[23:27] <LordRonin> Wish I could blame it on the beer and not the lag
[23:27] <Alberonn> When I was a kid, there's really cool perk in Carnation that I lived right next to...
[23:27] <Alberonn> It had a foot suspension bridge and trails all over...
[23:28] <LordRonin> dracosilv: I'm into a lot with the C=. from games through WP and DTP into some tools and 
  demos. What turns you on???
[23:28] <Alberonn> Yeah, it was surprising to see that Amiga moved there, but it's been years since I';ve 
  been in Sno...
[23:28] <LordRonin> Remember that I ONLY use the C= for everything
[23:28] <RobertB> The only foot suspension bridges I've been on were in Vancouver, B.C..
[23:28] <Wildstar> Yes, LR.
[23:28] <Wildstar> I was mostly joking.
[23:28] <RobertB> The waterfall there in Snoqulamie is fantastic.
[23:29] <LordRonin> Well #8 you are very aware that I only use the C=
[23:29] <Wildstar> yes I am very aware. I just was joking and noticing the funny typing.
[23:29] <Wildstar> Yeah, lag has a way.
[23:30] <MikeP> lord: oh ok, i see what you mean
[23:30] <MikeP> lord: i admit to having no knowledge of the homestead laws
[23:30] <LordRonin> Anyway MikeP if and that is a big IF, I can get my BBS to telnet and accept direct dial 
  then I will be on the Inet as tenettable. Jim has something on that line that I am fully ignorant of at 
  this time.
[23:30] <Alberonn> I'm not sure if it's still there. I'd be surprised if it wasn't, but that was back in the 
  late 70's early 80's
[23:31] <LordRonin> Well Mike, I looked into it and Canada back in the 70s. My father thought about it in the 
  60s. But things have cahnged sine then.
[23:31] <Alberonn> Wood and cable suspension bridge, built by the Corp of Engineers..
[23:31] <LordRonin> They really should map the keys to where my fingers go <VBG>
[23:31] <MikeP> lord: telnet and local calls, how cool
[23:32] <Snogpitch> LordRonin, would you be able to use a multiplexer to get telnet and dialup?
[23:32] <LordRonin> Heard it was possible in here long ago. Most of my deckers <local term for callers> are 
  not on the Inet. Must be ablre to keep them on the BBS. As they are U.G. members
[23:32] <Alberonn> That may work. One is set up for telnet and one is on the phoneline???
[23:32] <Snogpitch> Not sure exactly how the multiplexer worked with ImageBBS systems
[23:33] <_brain_> Yeah, working on a solution for LR
[23:33] <Alberonn> I though it worked with Centeped though. That's what LR has been runnin'
[23:33] <_brain_> Waiting for parts
[23:33] <LordRonin> Snogpitch: The concept is past me sorry. I use the CMD SCSI HD with Centipede as the BBS 
  OS. That one uses a multiplexer if it is Lt. Kernal.
[23:33] <Snogpitch> Ya Lt Kernal systems
[23:34] <LordRonin> Brain: Didn't mean to sound pushy.
[23:34] <smilertoo> should the c128 composite output give me sound on the TV?
[23:34] <Alberonn> Part of trying to run the telnet program on my AMiga is that with the SOFTWARE I'm running 
  (Miami), it only handles one physical connection at a time. If MiamiDX Keyfiles were still gettable, that 
  wouldn't be a problem anymore.
[23:34] <Snogpitch> so if you're not running a Lt K, that's not a solution anyway then
[23:34] <LordRonin> Centipede will work with a multiplexer for the Lt Kernal system. So sayeth the manual 
  beside me.
[23:34] <_brain_> LR, didn;t take it that way
[23:35] <Alberonn> Maybe the multi would work if it just saw the HD as just another drive???
[23:35] <LordRonin> Thaks Brain, didn't want to sound offensive on the topic
[23:35] <_brain_> My idea would not require a multiplexor
[23:35] <_brain_> Idea is to embed tcpser into a small ethernet device
[23:35] <_brain_> But also support a modem
[23:35] <_brain_> If a modem call comes in, it sends to 64
[23:35] <LordRonin> What about the possiblilty of using the Zip. Though that deal was  a wash. IDE and not 
  SCI] as stated. :-(
[23:36] <Snogpitch> Greg was showing for the IDE64 a dual rs232 connector, that might be something that could 
  work, IF you could get the software to use both...
[23:36] <_brain_> if a telnet clal comes in, it sends to 64.
[23:36] <_brain_> And takes modem off hook
[23:36] <LordRonin> Ah, but I am running 128 usinmg Centipede. Would it still work the same for 128?
[23:36] <_brain_> yes
[23:36] <Alberonn> Ah, if there was a direct connection, the guy tryin to telnet in would get some sort of 
  bust msg. If it was busy with a ethernet connection, perhap you could have it take the modem off the hook. 
  (As an option that could be disabled.)
[23:36] <_brain_> 64/128
[23:36] <_brain_> Anything with a rs232 port
[23:36] <Alberonn> Slow finger on my end... LOL
[23:37] <LordRonin> Snogpitch: I was not impressed with the IDE64 for my 128 system sorry.
[23:37] <_brain_> Alberonn, yes
[23:37] <LordRonin> Brain: I'm currently using the Swiftlink for this and the BBS.
[23:37] <Alberonn> Ronin may have a local buyer for the IDE. That would get at least some cash back...
[23:37] <_brain_> idea would work with SL
[23:37] <_brain_> Or t232
[23:37] <LordRonin> Then that is what I need plus other thinggies that I have no understanding of at this 
  time to make the BBS direct dial and telnet.
[23:38] <Snogpitch> I was just mentioning that if Greg had a dual option, it has been done already, just need 
  to figure out how to do it using other methods
[23:38] <_brain_> yes
[23:38] <Alberonn> I think that the IDE64 after a bit more work could be very good though. I think it needs 
  more work myself...
[23:38] <Snogpitch> _brain_ i think a better option than leaving the phone off the hook, would be to take the 
  AA off the modem
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[23:39] <_brain_> Ah, good idea
[23:39] <LordRonin> Yeah #21 is interested in the IDE Zip. Bummer that it said SCS]I and turned out to be 
  I]DE. Even the pix was wrong
[23:39] <Snogpitch> Howdy Whammo
[23:39] <LordRonin> Hoi Whammo
[23:39] <Alberonn> With a BBS, it's better to take the modem off the hook so people calling in knows the BBS 
  is busy, not down
[23:39] <_brain_> I'll make it user option.
[23:39] <RobertB> Hi, Whammo.
[23:39] <Whammo> Hey, guys
[23:39] <Alberonn> Hello
[23:40] <Snogpitch> ya, but with AA off, you could pass the line to an answering machine, indicating the BBS 
  is currently in use via Telnet
[23:40] <Snogpitch> people would hear that in their modem speaker
[23:41] <Alberonn> When I call a BBS and I get nothing but ringing, I figure that 1: Technical problems on 
  the BBS, 2: BBS is now gone...
[23:41] <LordRonin> As a SysOp of the last 7 years. It would be best IMHO to let the caller either telnet or 
  direct dial belive that the line was busy. Rather that it not pick up and give a no answer.
[23:41] <Alberonn> If they have a speaker on thier modem or they have the volume turned up high enough...
[23:41] <LordRonin> or in short. Busy sounds better than no answer
[23:42] <LordRonin> Bad lag again
[23:42] <Snogpitch> lol, could have a recording on the answering machine of a busy signal :)
[23:42] <Alberonn> My Lag-O-Meter is not showing any right now.
[23:42] <LordRonin> Sorry Snogpitch, though a good idea. This line is dedicated to the c=
[23:42] <LordRonin> #4 ping me
[23:43] <Alberonn> When the modem get a busy signal, most of the Hayes types will print BUSY to the screen.
[23:43] <Alberonn> 4.63s
[23:43] <Alberonn> 4.62 I ment
[23:43] <LordRonin> I] remember that from NovaTerm and DesTerm
[23:43] <LordRonin> Yeah it is around 5 sec from typing to seeing anything on the screen. Slow tonight
[23:44] <RobertB> Yes, Desterm will say, "BUSY".
[23:44] <LordRonin> Can't see what I write before sending it, to be timely
[23:45] * JavaUser1 (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.177.179.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 624 
seconds)
[23:45] <Alberonn> 4.61s this time???
[23:45] * antigen (na@user-38lc4do.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit (Read error: No route to host)
[23:46] <MikeP> i would take the modem off hook, what good is being told the BBS is busy AND getting charged 
  for the call???
[23:46] <Snogpitch> true if it was long distance
[23:46] <Alberonn> We do get several LD callers...
[23:47] <MikeP> as lord said, busy is better than no answer. 
[23:47] <MikeP> and i never have my speaker enabled on a modem like alot of people
[23:47] <Alberonn> LOL
[23:47] <MikeP> better to stick with the usual, which is busy means busy :)
[23:48] <Snogpitch> LordRonin, do you put a notice on your BBS about your chats here on Saturday?  and the 
  BBS being down at that time?
[23:48] <Alberonn> I do have mine turned up though...
[23:48] <LordRonin> Guys going to do a test with brain. Be back shortly
[23:48] <LordRonin>  Snogpitch: That info is in the regular news and in the newsletter.
[23:48] <Snogpitch> oooo a brain test :)
[23:48] <Alberonn> I thnik it may be in the news, but he uses his system a lot during certain times...
[23:48] <LordRonin> Hope to BRB
[23:49] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-220-7.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[23:49] <Alberonn> I have a telnet client too
[23:49] <Alberonn> LOL
[23:49] <MikeP> I like brains idea though, a small embedded device that handles the switching, great not just 
  for the CBM Community 
[23:49] <Pnacolada> cool :)
[23:49] <Snogpitch> Might see Jeri soon :)
[23:50] <Alberonn> Yeah, good for several systems? That make it valuable to the "unwashed masses" out there. 
  LOL
[23:50] <RobertB> How do you know?
[23:50] <Snogpitch> ESP
[23:50] <Snogpitch> :)
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[23:50] <RobertB> Hmmm, ESP from 2,000 miles away!
[23:50] <MikeP> alberonn: exactly, i'm sure there are Atari and Apple people who would find it equally useful
[23:50] <RobertB> Hi, Anti.
[23:51] <Alberonn> Ahh universial tools. Gotta love them...
[23:51] <MikeP> snog: retune your ESP, you say Jeri will be here soon and we get Antigen!
[23:51] <Snogpitch> hehehe
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[23:51] <Snogpitch> not quite the same, huh?
[23:51] <MikeP> omg!!!!!!
[23:51] <MikeP> Snog does have ESP, even if its a little bit off :)
[23:51] <Wildstar> HALLO Jeri.  :-D
[23:51] <MikeP> Heya Jeri
[23:51] <RobertB> What ESP you have, Snog!
[23:52] <Jeri> howdy
[23:52] * MikeP and Australia send a big hello to Jeri
[23:52] <Snogpitch> howdy Jeri
[23:52] <Wildstar> How is going Jeri
[23:53] <Alberonn> Hiya Jerri!
[23:53] <Snogpitch> Jeri, how's that processor card for the C1 coming along?
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[23:53] <Wildstar> wb LR
[23:53] <Snogpitch> wb LordRonin
[23:53] <Jeri> I just got home from a trip.  I haven't had much time in the last 2 weeks.
[23:53] <Wildstar> Jeri's on now, LR.
[23:53] <MikeP> rehi lord
[23:54] <LordRonin> Thanks Brain for all the HELP!!!
[23:54] <Wildstar> Brain is cool.
[23:54] <LordRonin> Works must faster than at VCS!!!
[23:54] <_brain_> No problem,.  Hopefuilly yhat will help your lag
[23:54] <LordRonin> Jeri, do you have anything for me and the con next month in Portland?
[23:54] <_brain_> Well, VCS is in AU... I'm just down the road compared to that
[23:54] <Snogpitch> looks like _brain_ set up a telnet client of his own?
[23:54] <Alberonn> I thnink the lag comes from connection to VCS in the first place. I mean it's only just on 
  another Continent!!! LOL
[23:55] <Wildstar> A major part of lag in Australia is distance and lots of relay points to move data.
[23:55] * MikeP says that here in AU we send our data packets by carrier pidgeon
[23:56] <Alberonn> It has to go there and come back to you. It's gonna take some time going through all of 
  thse networks. FBI software, ect. LOL
[23:56] <Snogpitch> they have pidgeons in AU?
[23:56] <Wildstar> It's like on another side of the PLANET.
[23:56] <Jeri> LR.  I;'ll have to think about the conference.
[23:56] <smilertoo> did anything new happen on the C1 in the last 2 weeks
[23:56] <MikeP> yeap! not particularly fast ones though :)
[23:56] <LordRonin> Hey all I am running through Jims site. but the del key seems to fail??t   eoiu8hg, 
[23:56] <Wildstar> Hmmmm......
[23:57] <Snogpitch> probably don't have the del key defined in the telnet setup
[23:57] <Jeri> Smiler: A lot has been happening with the early startup.  Not much on my side.
[23:57] <LordRonin> MikeP: Better than Hong Konmg when I ordered Go Books. Swear it came in a glass ball 
  through the ocen currents.
[23:57] <Wildstar> (non-destructive delete.
[23:57] <Wildstar> um non-functional delete
[23:57] * smilertoo cries
[23:57] <LordRonin> Jeri, well let me know. I can put up flyers etc to sponser the C-1.u
[23:57] <smilertoo> not really cos that would be silly
[23:58] <Alberonn> We get a few people in the shop from time to time!!! LOL
[23:58] <LordRonin> Thanks again Brain!!n 
[23:59] <LordRonin> Yeah #8 seems that way.
[23:59] <smilertoo> should the c128 composite output give me sound on the TV?
[23:59] <LordRonin> What we actually have people enter the shop!!
[23:59] * Pnacolada waves belatedly at Jeri.
[23:59] <Alberonn> I gotta go now. I'm tired from the walk and I wanna just kick back. I'll catch you all 
  next week....
[23:59] <RobertB> Yes, Smilertoo.
[23:59] <Pnacolada> Bye, Alberonn.
[23:59] <Snogpitch> Should give you sound, but only on one channel
[23:59] <RobertB> Bye, Mark.
[23:59] <LordRonin> Besides we have a Champions game to play this week
[23:59] * Alberonn (~alberonn@65-102-7-217.ptld.qwest.net) Quit (Quit: Client exiting)
[00:00] <smilertoo> hmmm, my tv must be having problems tuning in the 128..all im getting is fuzzy sound
[00:00] <_brain_> No probl, LR.
[00:00] <_brain_> I asume you like the way I helped get you going...
[00:00] <Snogpitch> Are you using RF adaptor?
[00:00] <LordRonin> Brain, this one changes colour for my posts and gives a time stamp. That wasn't on VCS
[00:00] <smilertoo> Snogpitch: just the normal rf lead
[00:00] <smilertoo> my c64 gives me sound, the c128d doesnt
[00:01] <_brain_> It's a different application
[00:01] <Snogpitch> If you are using RF, then your station needs fine tuning
[00:01] <LordRonin> smilertoo: Only non 64 that I have used on a TV is a 500 Amiga. But if you need a 
  monitor....
[00:01] <_brain_> ircii is a rather old app
[00:01] <_brain_> This one is much newer
[00:01] <smilertoo> damn, my tv has no fine tuning
[00:01] <Snogpitch> It should in it's setup
[00:01] <LordRonin> Looks good to me. I have the choice of irc or BitchX at the promt at vcs. More used to 
  irc.
[00:02] <Snogpitch> You should have an option to uncheck your autofinetuning
[00:02] <smilertoo> nah, its got some 'clever' system where it tries to tune itself
[00:02] <RobertB> Ah, Videocam needs to have the newer IRC app then.
[00:02] <_brain_> This app is like ircii, but newer, and in COLOR (Say that in an announcer voice)
[00:02] <_brain_> LR, you ready to see something really neat?
[00:02] <LordRonin> They just updated perl. I could have helped with Hyper... if my old ISP had perl.
[00:02] * Snogpitch says Like This?
[00:03] <LordRonin> Brain : great, but I must leave and mutilate the party shortly.
[00:03] <_brain_> Tis fine... Only take a sec
[00:03] <_brain_> You can do all of this on vcs, by the way
[00:03] <LordRonin> Snogpitch, yeah you came out in a differetn coloutr
[00:03] <Snogpitch> :)
[00:04] <Snogpitch> well folks, it's time for me to mosey along
[00:04] <Snogpitch> niters all
[00:04] <RobertB> Bye, Snog.
[00:04] <Wildstar> niters Snog
[00:04] <smilertoo> bye
[00:04] <MikeP> bye snog!
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