[20:51] * Now talking in #c64friends [20:51] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C-64!!' [20:51] * Set by ChanServ!chanserv@services.newnet.net on Sat Aug 28 02:57:07 [20:51] -ChanServ- Visit our webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/c64friends [20:51] Snog :) [20:51] Howdy all [20:51] www.smash-designs.de [20:51] Dunno about compatibility with Linux -- I'm sure the sta site would say... [20:51] Snog [20:51] Like Radio Shack? That 6 pin DIN looks unusual! [20:51] is xe the best for epp ports? [20:51] Yesterday (or today if it's still Saturday) was it's official release. [20:52] ah... [20:52] snoggy the pitch [20:52] Che? [20:52] What is official? [20:52] Oldbit---from the page at http://sta.c64.org/cables.html, the XA cable works w/ linux [20:52] Thanks [20:53] Snogpitch: Turrican 3, it was released yesterday/today/insert appropriate depending on current date here. =-) [20:53] * Hiraghm is going to have to make a 128D to 1084 monitor cable :( [20:53] * Loscha is now known as Loschaway [20:53] * Loschaway is away •· angrymonkeyshowisontv ·• (Pager: off). [20:53] Anyone here going to SWRAP next weekend? [20:53] * Snogpitch will be [20:53] * antares51 (~rick@ip68-110-30-204.om.om.cox.net) has left #c64friends [20:54] not exactly a large showing of hands? [20:54] turrican.. 3...? [20:54] space shooter 2d? [20:54] I may have to drive up, then drive back... Will make for a long day.. [20:54] Murrlin: blokey with gun, running around. [20:54] Not going this year, maybe next :) [20:54] Yep, a really long day [20:54] * antares51 (~rick@ip68-110-30-204.om.om.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [20:54] (World 3 is a scrolling SEU though, as per tradition) [20:54] website please? [20:54] * Jeri (~Jeri@4.27.140.171) has joined #c64friends [20:55] Jeri! [20:55] Jeri ahoy [20:55] Howdy Jeri [20:55] * Murrlin offers a hug to the cute Jeri. [20:55] Hello Jeri! [20:55] * Jeri hands murrlin a c64 to hug. [20:55] Murrlin: what, apart from the one i already gave out? =-) [20:55] I dont even know about the original Turrican except perhaps the music [20:55] * Snogpitch bets that Jeri will be at the SWRAP expo [20:55] Froogs [20:55] oops [20:55] * Pnacolada hugs his C64! [20:55] scrollyscroll [20:55] * Jeri alread has her flight. [20:56] * Oldbitcol Wonders if Jeri found lodging? [20:56] Turrican 1 and 2 are *classic* C64 games. 3 is flawed, but i'm getting into it. [20:56] I'm so sheltered :) [20:56] er I dont see it, tmr [20:56] www.smash-designs.de [20:56] sheltered is a good thing if it's raining outside [20:56] Hi Jeri [20:56] I may be sleeping in a box outside the show. I stalled around until the last minute. [20:57] aaaaaa =( [20:57] ty TMR [20:57] Hallo Jeri [20:57] for some, the after expo parties defeat the need for a room [20:57] I've heard the 64 users guide can be quite warm if ripped apart and used for insulation... :) [20:57] Plus there's a piece about how Manfred Trenz might be making a comeback... [20:58] gasp!!! ripping a 64 Users Guide? [20:58] * MikeHat (mineatsome@acty2136.dialup.dandy.net) has joined #c64friends [20:58] lo Mike [20:58] Howdy MikeHat [20:58] Hi [20:58] gah! I'd be willing to make that sacrifice though... [20:58] tsk tsk [20:58] * Pnacolada gives Jeri several PRG's he's not using ^_^ [20:58] * Oldbitcol grins devilishly... [20:58] They're thicker :) [20:59] * TMR{C0S} mentions a coding legend doing a new game and nobody responds... this is a C64 channel, right?! =-) [20:59] * smilertoo (froggo@cpc3-bbrg1-4-0-cust47.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #c64friends [20:59] Howdy smilertoo [20:59] hello [20:59] well, yes, I'm just not familiar with the game, sadly. *sigh* [20:59] How's the XGS Jeri ???? [20:59] The XGS was a souped up 2600. [21:00] TMR: Might be making a comback, and [21:00] :/ [21:00] wasn't the 7800 a souped up 2600? [21:00] we wants a souped up c64 [21:00] oops... "Might" and "Has" made a comeback are two entirely different topics... [21:00] even used the same carts [21:00] That's a little disapointing.. [21:00] How does it compare to a C-One [21:00] ooooooooooo PC demos [21:00] jmkurtz: he might be making a comeback and coding Katakis 2. This is the guy who coded both the original Turricans, Katakis and Enforcer. [21:00] * brain (~brain@12-217-179-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends [21:00] brain :) [21:00] me! [21:00] Hello Brain! [21:01] The XGS is miles away from the c1. It generates all it's video with the cpu. [21:01] Howdy brain [21:01] "What are we going to do tonight brain?!" [21:01] Hi Jim! [21:01] Ouch - [21:01] Same thing we do every night, Pinky! [21:01] Remember Omaha Brain? [21:01] yes [21:01] Poit! [21:01] * Oldbitcol ducks after such obvious joke. [21:02] TMR: Yes, might be... They want 20-30 Euros for a new release. Just how many do you think they will actually sell? Even if they sell 100 copies, its probably not worth the time to write it, unless it comes from a labor of love.. [21:02] Narrrrf [21:02] Zounds! [21:02] The C-One has like upto 135 MHz available to the SuperVIC [21:02] You probably still remember me. [21:02] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.198.226.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:02] jmkurtz: people are pre-ordering Metal Dust and it hasn't got *half* the pedigree. [21:02] meh, supervic mode is my main intrest in C1 [21:02] Hi gang. [21:02] I'm Troy McClure! You may remember me from such IRC chat rooms as #c-64 and #c64friends! [21:02] hi lawless [21:02] Howdy JLawless [21:02] Hi! [21:02] Going by the only system bus clock figures. [21:02] Mr. Lawless, Sir! [21:03] JL [21:03] My dad's here? [21:03] Hi Rick! [21:03] uh oh. [21:03] Then the second FPGA (1k100) can be its own CPU at who knows what speed. [21:03] Sent you an e-mail jlawless. [21:03] TMR: Doesn't Metal Dust require the SCPU? If so, they've already limited themselves in market. These kinds of ventures are simply not financially sound. Lets hope they do it out of love of the platform, and not to make a profit. [21:04] JB, did you get the account in time for it to be useful? [21:04] Pna, unless you and draco start posting something in the COGS section, I'm just going to kill the project [21:04] Trying to figure out blazin forth. Also pulled out my Comal disk. [21:04] antares51: I hope you're not trying to hawk Viagra. [21:04] jmkurtz: Metal Dust does, yes. Katakis 2 will run stock if it gets going, Protovision's Enforcer 2 already does apparently. [21:04] Ah, Rick E! [21:04] * Jeri is now known as Jeri_ZZZZ [21:04] No viagra, honest! [21:04] oooo forth.. comal... [21:05] a PC comal would be killah [21:05] Hiraghm - it's a cool idea, don't kill it. :P We just need to figure out some basic ideas... *sigh* [21:05] wow, we aren't making enough noise for Jeri_ZZZZ [21:05] I think we're putting Jeri to sleep... [21:05] No sleeping Jeri. [21:05] hehe [21:05] mmm [21:05] No sleeping on the job. :-)) [21:05] wow, someone is shooting fireworks outside [21:05] Antares51: I'm glad you're able to show up, Rick. I wasn't sure if you'd get my e-mail in time. You might talk with Murrlin about C64 Forth... [21:05] * Murrlin reminisces about the nature of c64 coding [21:06] Murrlin: There was a PC COMAL compiler for MS-DOS, but they wanted $495 for it. [21:06] Snog, there always something happing over there isn't there? [21:06] seems that way, problems with living in the big city :) [21:06] Pna, I've got lots of cool ideas to work on, some even involving the 21st century :( [21:06] you know where the hell everything was. finitie space, steady/predictable areas of memory and hw.. infinite possibilities [21:06] * Wildstar looking for the Trumpants and Drums. [21:06] No material at the library here and trying to get brodie's book is an exercise. [21:06] its like a well traveled neighborhood [21:07] I was worrying I wasn't going to make it tonight, storms all around me [21:07] * Wildstar also looking for the Bagpipes. [21:07] antares51: I'm putting together a list of sites, books, and will get together a Forth care-package for you. [21:07] counties north and east of here have flood warnigns [21:07] the pc on the other hand is like an alien planet [21:07] How is it you're in Dever? [21:07] Snog -- we're getting hammered up here in Columbus too! [21:07] Er Denver? [21:07] Hiraghm: :) Well, I guess we can work with a isometric perspective idea, and a dungeon crawl type idea... maybe nethack to begin with :) [21:07] We had tornado warnings up here a while ago.. [21:07] C= TALK TIME !!!! [21:07] lawless: I wouldnt mind seeing this list m'self =D [21:08] Murrlin: DCC me your e-mail addy or send it here. [21:08] * Hiraghm (~hiraghm@xtimports.com) Quit (Read error: Broken pipe) [21:08] murrlin@ev1.net [21:08] we were talking C= Wildstar [21:08] * Oldbitcol hands Wildstar the trout, suspects he'll find a use for it... [21:08] * rbernardo (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:08] * MikeHat wishing had the time over the years to learn to program instead of just a user [21:08] Howdy rbernardo [21:08] Robert! [21:09] * smilertoo (froggo@cpc3-bbrg1-4-0-cust47.renf.cable.ntl.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:09] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@spc2-leed5-5-0-cust79.seac.broadband.ntl.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:09] Hi, Snog and Jeff. [21:09] * GWBzor (The_Edge@rrcs-nys-24-24-29-27.biz.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:09] Robert :) [21:09] wow, are we having a netsplit? [21:09] * rbernardo is now known as RobertB [21:09] MikeHat: No time like the present! [21:09] * GWBzor (The_Edge@rrcs-nys-24-24-29-27.biz.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:09] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@spc2-leed5-5-0-cust79.seac.broadband.ntl.com) has joined #c64friends [21:09] GWB! [21:09] Gadzooks. [21:09] Evenin' Mr. Bernardo! [21:10] Bugger... [hits IRC server with a hammer...] [21:10] Got my c64 at 14 but was working 80hrs aweek until last year I do get my name to print on screen :) [21:10] Jeff, no I was not able to get setup with PPP in time. [21:10] Hi, Rick E. [21:10] * Wildstar contemplating the use of the trout to awake Jeri. [21:10] Drat.. I was hoping that account would at least be useful on your trip.. [21:10] * Alan (Alan@user-33qt879.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:10] Howdy Alan [21:10] Hi, Alan. [21:10] * smilertoo (froggo@cpc3-bbrg1-4-0-cust47.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #c64friends [21:10] Howdy RobertB [21:10] Hi everyone [21:10] Well, I have broadband right now, so I am OK. [21:10] back [21:10] I like trout freshly cooked pan-fried in butter! [21:10] Finally got around to plugging in my Pet 8032 - kind of cool! [21:11] We have catfish and bass around here, Wildstar. [21:11] Brain, still waiting for replacement chips, any chance you'll be bring parts/tools to swrap? [21:11] (Been talking to Joachim Wijnhoven [21:11] Hi, Alan. [21:11] Bringing parts and tools :-) [21:11] MAX232 and such are coming. [21:11] Hi Robert, haven't seen you around for a while [21:11] I had some real good trout in Cherokee North Carolina a couple years back [21:11] * Wildstar might have to get the pirahnas [21:11] I was here 2 weeks ago. [21:11] Good deal! If you've got a couple extras I take'em... :) [21:11] Heya Alan :) [21:11] Dang, this place is packed :) [21:12] only 23 Pnacolada, we can shoehorn more in [21:12] A good place to be! [21:12] The more the merrier [21:12] Hi, Ryan (Pnacolada). [21:12] I have enough parts for 5 interfaces. [21:12] any new news on c1? [21:12] * Oldbitcol Invites Wildstar to fetch the pirahnas with his bare hands :) [21:12] * Pnacolada grins at Snog. Indeed! [21:12] smilertoo, ask Jeri_ZZZZ when she awakens [21:12] * Pnacolada is cheerful :) [21:12] I need someone who has a spare Pentium class machine with a modem and a ethernet card to bring to EXPO... [21:12] The C1 worked pretty well at last week's Classic Gaming Expo. [21:12] I'm working on that problem... [21:12] Otherwise, no INternet access [21:13] RobertB: supervic mode with colour? [21:13] Oldbitcol - they are specially genetically breeded to go by my command. [21:13] I didn't see SuperVIC mode, but regular C64 mode was good. [21:13] I heard you needed some cable as well? [21:13] I need a long Cat5 cable. [21:13] 80' or so [21:14] I've been so busy I've been neglecting my Commodore for weeks. [21:14] My tables are in opposing corners of the room. [21:14] 50x30 or so room [21:14] Naughty, Alan. [21:14] ack! neglecting your C=? shame shame :( [21:14] :-) [21:14] I've got a box of CAT6 and ends.. Got a crip tool? [21:14] * Wildstar is now known as DR-Evil [21:14] Robert, I know. I'm ashamed. I did play some games with my nephew today. [21:14] hey all [21:14] No tools for that here [21:15] Alan, you've redeemed yourself! [21:15] Snog, you got an RJ45 crimp tool? [21:15] My nephew is 5, he loves little computer people [21:15] * DR-Evil is now known as Dr-Evil [21:15] Yeah, catch them when they're young. [21:15] * Dr-Evil is now known as DR_Evil [21:15] Give him a decent shoot-em-up, he'll learn to swear like a trooper in no time. =-) [21:15] * Pnacolada does the pinky thing at DR_Evil. "One BILLION Commodores." [21:15] * antigen (na@user-38lc424.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:16] Young'uns seem to really like my Commodore. The games are just right for them. Face Maker and all that especially [21:16] Oooo, Facemaker.... nice. [21:16] coolness [21:16] It's all right Alan, someone keeps buring my 128.. Keep having to dig it out to use it.. :) [21:16] And they like drawing with the koala pad, too [21:16] hi Alan [21:16] I don't crimp stuff, so no tool [21:16] I have a crimp tool [21:17] Koalapad... nice. [21:17] but I cannot attend the show [21:17] :( [21:17] * Loschaway (~kobanogom@ben-56k-088.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Quit: andy warhol got it wrong, 15 minutes is too long) [21:17] crap! [21:17] whew thought you said 'burning' [21:17] Got a Koala Pad myself :) [21:17] I'm going to give him his own system, I think. [21:17] Jeri... Jeri! JERI!! Wake up.. Have you got a RJ45 crimp tool in your collection? [21:17] * DR_Evil contemplates the next EVIL invention in his laboratories. [21:17] Don't have a pad. Could use a light pen. [21:17] You'll have him pulling disks in and out like a pro. [21:18] < koala here as well :) and for atari and apple But use C64 most [21:18] The only good lightpens are Flexidraws and McPens. [21:18] * DR_Evil contemplates using the pirahnas to wake Jeri up. [21:18] * Jeri_ZZZZ (~Jeri@4.27.140.171) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:18] Wish someone' d hack the Wacom Grafire to work on the C64 :) [21:18] * GWBzor slaps DR_Evil around a bit with a 50 lb Commodore SX64 Portable computer [21:18] thanks for scaring Jeri away, DR_Evil [21:18] damn those piranha [21:18] It was funny seeing the little guy playing L.C.P. He'd keep making the phone ring and then laugh himself silly listening to the LCP talk on the phone. [21:19] No, DR_Evil - that would be sea bass. Mutated sea bass. [21:19] I have a huge Wacom for the Amiga. [21:19] cute!!!! [21:19] alan: what does the talking sound like? [21:19] * Pnacolada envies RobertB muchly. [21:19] * antigen (na@user-38lc426.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:19] Little burbling noises, if memory serves? [21:19] * Oldbitcol dumps Dr_Evil's pirahna tank over his head.. [21:19] alan: you should show him the Sims =) [21:19] Hi, Antigen. [21:19] Pnacolada, that be mutated barracudas [21:19] It was cute. Imagine Charlie Brown adult-speak. Something like that. [21:19] of course you'd never get him away from the pc [21:19] oh! [21:20] wa waaa wa waaa wuh wuh waaaa. [21:20] lol [21:20] Murrlin, see that's the thing. He's only 5, so stuff like the Sims is too complicated for him. [21:20] * Pnacolada grumps at DR_Evil. "You're not following your own plot line." [21:20] No need to feel envy... just be glad for another fellow C= user, Ryan (Pnaco). [21:20] * MikeHat (mineatsome@acty2136.dialup.dandy.net) Quit [21:20] I'd be there lauging with him [21:20] Im easily amused [21:20] Me too.. [21:20] Indeed, indeed... :) [21:20] * dracosilv says: 'i awaken....' [21:20] My daughter likes the KIDERCOMP cart... (also 5) [21:20] dracosilv [21:20] * JustinK (~JoesphS@dpc6935190024.direcpc.com) has joined #c64friends [21:20] Howdy JustinK [21:20] Heya, JustinK :) [21:21] Hi, Joe. [21:21] Oh hello [21:21] awww [21:21] I'm putting together a few disks of nice educational stuff for him and his little brother, who's 4. [21:21] Our educational stuff did not sell at CGE. [21:21] Nobody wanted educational software. [21:21] Ya, Educational stuff moves pretty slow [21:22] * R7Dude (~Javauser@pool-70-17-85-254.res.east.verizon.net) has joined #c64friends [21:22] I'd like to build a collection of the old C= Educational software. Lemonade Stand, etc. [21:22] Howdy R7Dude [21:22] Educational? Eww. =-) [21:22] R7Dude found your site, and he had a slight problem [21:22] Hi, R7. [21:22] Hello All, Long time C= User first time chatter [21:22] Educashun is stoopid. [21:22] Hi R7! [21:22] But you know, I helped him out, so it's cool, you people mind if I idle here a little? [21:22] wow, a first time chatter? :) [21:22] No problem, R7. Just sit back and listen, or join in the chatter. [21:23] Go ahead and listen all you want Justin (Joe). [21:23] Heya, R7 :) Good to have you here :) [21:23] I still enjoy Lemonade Stand, maybe that says something about my maturity level. [21:23] Oh thanks [21:23] ooo [21:23] R7Dude => Andy Schwartz [21:23] neat [21:23] I liked the Oregon Trail game. :) [21:23] Lemonade Stand, holy shit I remember that [21:23] * PSC (PSC@Montreal-ppp-86422.qc.sympatico.ca) has joined #c64friends [21:23] Hi, Andy. [21:23] Pna, that one too. [21:23] I made a Lemonade Stand program on a plato once [21:23] I need to seriously figure out what a Commodore 64 is [21:23] wish I kept notes of the source [21:23] Hi Guys [21:24] Hi, PSC. [21:24] * PSC (PSC@Montreal-ppp-86422.qc.sympatico.ca) has left #c64friends [21:24] oh yeah, Murrlin? Plato huh? [21:24] * TMR{C0S} launches into a bit of Floyd - "we don' need no... education" [sung off key] [21:24] justink: what? then what are you doing here? [21:24] Pnacolada - already used the mutant sea bass on Osama [21:24] antares51 / Murrlin: Forth - COMAL info on its way in e-mail. [21:24] He's enjoying our witty banter. [21:24] A Commodore 64 is what you make it out to be. [21:24] yay! [21:24] Haha, yes, Alan! [21:24] Dr. Evil: Riiiiiight ;) [21:24] * Murrlin awaits [21:24] JLawless> Thank you. [21:25] * jmkurtz (~jerrykurt@del224192.columbus.rr.com) has left #c64friends [21:25] pco.. umm pacl... er Ryan [21:25] * MikeP (~spamme@98.cust6.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:25] Pna is all I'm typing =p [21:25] Hi, Mike. [21:25] Howdy MikeP [21:25] 'sok, I know me :) [21:25] Pnacolada, no wonder Osama walks with a limp. [21:25] Pna: yes, a mainframe based timeshare system based in Champaign IL [21:25] oh cool! [21:25] * brain used Plato [21:26] At UIUC [21:26] I miss it [21:26] Its the fake leg. [21:26] Murrlin: two words: tab completion ;) [21:26] I wish someone would make a simulator [21:26] Hi Robert, SnogPitch and everyone else [21:26] Hi MikeP [21:26] Heya, MikeP :) [21:26] A simulator of what? [21:26] Hi Pna! [21:26] Hi Mike [21:26] Of Plato? [21:26] * brain has a plato terminal for the 64 [21:26] by the time pc's reached enough res to do a full size plato screen, plato was already dead and gone [21:26] Hi Mikep. [21:26] * brain used it to connect to Plato from the dorm [21:26] robert: the PLATO system [21:26] hi there oldbit, antares51 [21:26] What's Plato? I don't remember that... [21:26] the smart terminals were z80 based [21:27] Ah, I heard of it... never used it. [21:27] but the plasma terms were nice big clunky fun [21:27] ooh. [21:27] Jim B., what does your Plato terminal consist of? Software, right? [21:28] 7Orangey goodness [21:28] and touch screen [21:28] brb, going to make a pb&j :9 [21:28] RoberB. It was software, yes [21:28] blue [21:28] (all terminals had that) [21:28] Mmmm, PB&J [21:28] emulated the plato screens, in good orange [21:28] Mmm touch screen [21:28] and I miss the Gooch Box.. a 3 voice squarewave sound generator [21:28] What was on the opening screen of Plato for the C64, Jim B.? [21:29] I miss the tune collection page and the random algorithmic noise page [21:29] I bet no one at all has any source code or hardware or anything anymore =((( [21:29] RobertB. It's been too long. I forget [21:29] Time to boot it up! [21:29] In fact, I'm not even sure where the disk was/is [21:29] Not time to boot it up! [21:29] I'm reading about this Commodore 64, sounds like it was excellent [21:29] darn. [21:30] I haven't actually used one, I have used an Amiga [21:30] c64 was mostly good [21:30] Maybe I can get one off of eBay [21:30] For sure :) [21:30] JustinK: wrong tense, *is* excellent. Newest game was released in the last 24 hours. [21:30] Justin (Joe), it is excellent for what it is. What type of Amiga have you used? [21:30] I have a lot of printouts from PLATO tho!! [21:30] I should scan them in [21:30] Oh my, are you serious? [21:30] 10 minute game loading times werent good [21:30] I wouldve ages ago but platopast never answered my damned email [21:30] Oh, 3.5, basically I got it from Cult of the Dead Cow BBS [21:30] fu'him [21:30] Is who serious...? [21:31] Turrican 3... new game. [21:31] Justin, smart people are coming out with new and interesting things for the C64 all the time. Some of those people are here tonight. [21:31] oh they released it [21:31] loading T3 now.. [21:31] Well that's just excellent [21:31] smilertoo: yeah, yesterday our time just like promised... it's a bit buggy, mind. [21:32] But Turrican 3 is only for PAL, right? [21:32] Yup, something to do with the shitloads of CPU grunt it's using... [21:32] you know, I expect someone to answer my email when Im excited about having something that they themselves put out a call for [21:32] who's stoked about what's happening next weekend? anyone? ;) [21:32] Well what's happening? [21:32] What's next weekend? [21:32] * Snogpitch is going to Chicago this coming Friday [21:33] Oh yeah, forgot about that. Wish I could go. [21:33] I'm stoked for the concert I'm going to next weekend. [21:33] which concert this time RobertB? [21:33] Robert, yes? Who are you seeing? [21:33] They are talking about the Chicago C= Expo. [21:33] Quarterflash, of course. [21:33] cool :) [21:33] Didn't Joachim do Lv.3 music [21:33] Saw Warp 11 last weekend. [21:33] in Turrican 3 [21:34] yep... SWRAP EXPO... you got it RobertB... [21:34] T3, no worky on VICE.. :( [21:34] I picked up a Quarterflash LP the other day at the Thrift Store [21:34] Yes worky on VICE if true drive emu turned on. =-) [21:34] Take plenty of photos and video of the Chicago C= Expo, guys! [21:34] holy fuck. platopast.org is limboed [21:34] I be stoked if I hadent moved from Illinois to the East coast [21:34] Which one, Snog? [21:35] Hey TMR, got to get Joachim to chat. [21:35] but platopeople.com is the site I meant [21:35] Why? [21:35] 1981 [21:35] I'm trying to remember Quarterflash... 80's band, right? Just had a couple albums? [21:35] It be fun to see him around [21:35] * Loscha (~kobanogom@ben-56k-230.tpgi.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:35] i will... i will take photos... [21:35] * TMR{C0S} shrugs.. [21:35] Bringing digital camera.. [21:35] * Pnacolada threatens dracosilv. Take pictures :) [21:35] East Coast, Andy?! Now you can go to the Electronic Gaming Expo in Philadelphia on Sept. 11. [21:35] youse will have to 'remind' me/tell me if can't figure out who's who... [21:36] Hi Loscha [21:36] no title, just QuarterFlash [21:36] * TMR{C0S} is meant to be going to BIT Live but keeps forgetting to book the ticket... [21:36] Alan, they had 4 albums. [21:36] Name a hit or two they had, Robert. [21:36] I have given been talking with him in email. [21:36] Thanks for taking photos, Draco. [21:36] i mean when i take the photos, i can't guarentee i'll remember who's who in the photos... [21:36] Hi, Loscha. [21:36] i'll post them on my site... [21:36] heh :) [21:36] Ah, the first album, Snog. [21:36] g'day again to everyone [21:36] that'll get traffic for sure ;) [21:37] and I have photos taken when I was in C-U in 1986 of the PLATO premesis and environs [21:37] * DR_Evil is now known as Wildstar [21:37] Are Jens and Jeri going to be at the Chicago expo next week? [21:37] Harden My Heart, Don't Be Lonely. [21:37] It was in really good condition and couldn't pass it up [21:37] Jeri will be there, but she doesn't have a room [21:37] I remember Harden My Heart. That was a good tune. [21:37] Jens is now back in Germany. [21:37] Harden My Heart is on this album I bought the other day [21:37] And Rindy Ross is still cute as a button. [21:37] I'm going to try this email ONE more time [21:37] Robert: Any news on the C1 progress ? [21:38] which band are we talking, sorry, just came in? [21:38] QuarterFlash [21:38] * Oldbitcol is now known as oldbit_br [21:38] * oldbit_br is now known as oldb_brb [21:38] hmm, don't know them [21:38] me either [21:38] 80s music [21:38] MikeP, the C1 was working well at last week's CGE. Full color in C64 mode, Schneider mode worked well, sound still needed work. [21:39] * David (Miranda@ip-210-56-45-246.morenet.net.nz) has joined #c64friends [21:39] Howdy David [21:39] Hello David [21:39] How's the sound in the C64 mode ???? [21:39] Just go to www.cdnow.com and listen to some audio clips of Quarterflash. That might jog your memory. [21:39] Hey David :) [21:39] back again [21:39] Hi, David. [21:39] * BR\CSD (~mwnewsom@cdm-66-233-183-199.nacd.cox-internet.com) has joined #c64friends [21:39] Hi, BR. [21:39] Robert: Wow, good. Do you think we'll hear any official annoucements soon or am I being too optimistic? [21:40] BR :) [21:40] Howdy BR\CSD [21:40] RobertB - How's the C64 mode sound ? [21:40] (SID) [21:40] I better get a reply [21:40] Jens was hopeful for a September release. [21:40] September is later this week [21:40] RobertB... :) [21:40] Speakers were not hooked up to it; Jeri wanted to work more on the sound. [21:40] Sept 2005? [21:40] YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:41] Sept 2004. [21:41] excellent [21:42] hmmm, so there wasn't use of real SID chips ?? [21:42] Robert: Was Maurice at the show? [21:42] I'm just guessing, but Jeri looks to be a few percent away from completion. [21:42] * Alan is now known as Alan-BRB [21:42] Snog, the sound was not demoed. [21:43] Maurice was not at CGE. [21:43] yay! email from.. from.. the forth/comal info dude [21:43] I'd be very surprised if he came 2,000 miles to attend it. [21:43] thanks! [21:43] my 40yo brain is shit! [21:43] <- 40 in 7 days [21:43] young whippersnapper [21:43] Congrats, Murrlin! [21:43] Robert: yeah it's a long way to travel :) [21:44] JLawless: Received mail. Thanks! [21:44] Murrlin: You'll only be 28 in hex... [21:44] heh :) [21:44] ej [21:44] so, when you hit 40, are you going ot be 8 five year olds, of 5 eight year olds? 2 twenty year olds? 4 ten year olds? [21:44] eh 40s gonna suck [21:45] Been there, done that. [21:45] * TMR{C0S} has enough problems remembering stuff and is 32. But had a shyte memory when he was 20. =-) [21:45] oo hexadecimal [21:45] 40's seem the same to me... just creakier. [21:45] I like that [21:45] 28H y o lol [21:45] lol, creakier? [21:45] Uh-huh, when you sit down and when you stand up. [21:46] Oh hell, i started creaking like that in my teens! [21:46] same here [21:46] Advanced rapid-aging! [21:47] Lack of fluid in my joints apparently... [21:47] win 14 [21:47] Must slow down your chromosomes somehow! [21:47] Er, sorry, typo [21:47] brb [21:47] TMR - you're going to be scr*wed when you get into the 40s [21:47] Hey, RobertB, when you visited William Shatner, did he mention anything about a guest role in Star Trek Enterprise? [21:47] I could go and get a future rejuv [21:48] * TMR{C0S} shrugs - is already screwed, doubt it can get much worse... [21:48] No, Snog, the visit was before the announcement of any guest role. [21:48] * Pnacolada grins at Murrlin. All natural overhaul, change the blood, etc :) [21:48] so the role is real then? [21:48] well, i do know he's off on ABC doing that practice spinoff [21:48] but i dunno if he's got any other things going on [21:49] However, I'll see him tomorrow at the PlanetXpo Convention. [21:49] I figured it was just a rumor to spark ratings [21:49] i still thought he was funny as the big giant head on 3rd rock [21:49] hair repairrrr [21:49] actually I could go with a zero hair mode [21:49] no hair no beard no stache [21:50] For all the latest Bill Shatner news, LocalH, go to www.williamshatner.com [21:50] I got a haircut last weekend [21:50] (easier crossdressing... but you didnt hear that here) [21:50] My hair is too short right now. In a few weeks it'll be just right. [21:51] figured since my vacation started this weekend, I'd want short carefree hair :) [21:51] Carefree? Nah, mine is just messy when it's carefree. [21:51] This is real short :) [21:51] * Hiraghm (~hiraghm@xtimports.com) has joined #c64friends [21:52] wb Hiraghm [21:52] Hi, Jim. [21:52] rehello [21:52] hey brain [21:52] Jeri left? [21:52] Hi Hiraghm [21:52] hey, snog... op me :) [21:52] ya, she fell asleep [21:52] He's away from the keyboard, I think. [21:52] hi MikeP [21:52] * Snogpitch sets mode: +v Hiraghm [21:53] wb Hir [21:53] * Hiraghm scratches his head [21:53] I already could speak :) [21:53] I'm still wondering what's gonna happen the evening of the expo besides the dinner [21:54] Constant partying, Snog? [21:54] :}) [21:54] what expo was on last week? [21:54] probably :) [21:54] :-) [21:54] :susp: [21:54] Hiraghm: back, what dio you need? [21:54] Last weekend was the Classic Gaming Expo. Next weekend is the Chicago C= Expo. [21:54] *sigh* partying :) [21:55] <:o [21:55] The weekend after that is the Electronic Gaming Expo. [21:55] brain, I need any number of things [21:55] primarly I said hello [21:55] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:55] Howdy Schema [21:55] lo schema [21:55] Hi all! [21:55] Leif! [21:55] Hi, Leif. [21:55] hi schema [21:55] Hi Schema [21:55] Wow, look at all the people [21:55] robert: wow, so many expos, you guys are lucky [21:55] Yep, 27 of us [21:56] brain, any idea where I can get a proper din connector for 128D video? [21:56] www.digikey.com [21:56] Well, Mike, they are separated by great distances. [21:56] Hiraghm, for 80 column or 40? [21:56] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:56] both [21:56] then you need cables [21:57] need to build the cables for when my 1084 gets here [21:57] 80 column depends also on the monitor you are using [21:57] digikey [21:57] robert: ok, but still, it's good there is enough interest to make it worth having them [21:57] brain? [21:57] if the monitor has a 9 pin d-sub, then a CGA cable should work (CGA is just straight through anyway, i believe) [21:57] www.digikey.com has the connectors [21:58] only difference is the composite video on the c128 RGBI [21:58] I got an email the other day that said the location for the CinciClassic is almost finalized [21:58] has the DIN, the DE9, the RCA... [21:58] need to find a cga cable then [21:58] And next year, Mike, we're throwing in CommVEx into the expo mix. [21:58] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:58] back - mirc crashed [21:58] Hi, Leif. [21:58] DE9? [21:58] Has anyone played T3 Yet? [21:58] Leif, I got 38400 into the VIC-20 [21:58] brain, woot [21:58] Yes, I read about that on Denial [21:58] BR: got to 2.2 so far (not playing with continues) [21:58] using a turbo 232? [21:58] Robert: Whats CommVex? [21:58] the website at http://www.cinciclassic.com/ has no news about that yet [21:58] Not me, BR. Eventually, though. [21:58] You're bringing that to SWRAP, right brain? [21:59] Yep. [21:59] some CGA monitors can have problems with some of the tweaked modes available on the VDC (i have one that can handle interlace, but the placing of the fields is slightly off) [21:59] CommVEx is the Commodore Vegas Expo (in Las Vegas), planned for the July 30, 2005 weekend. [21:59] Excellent, jim. I have tons of questions for you about that. [21:59] Will the same interface work on a C64? [22:00] which hotel is CommVEx going to be? [22:00] RobertB: Ah, so that's a reality now? [22:00] Schema. no [22:00] What's different? (briefly) [22:00] Well, it's the same interface as a SL, but the EXP port connector is differetn for 64 and VIC [22:00] * oldb_brb is now known as Oldbitcol [22:00] Hi Leif [22:00] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6c-223.miamfl.adelphia.net) has joined #c64friends [22:00] Howdy Eyeth [22:00] Gotta go now. Read my Compute! Gazette and get some sleep. Bye!!! [22:00] Ohhhh I thought it used the user port [22:00] Hey Jeff [22:00] no, exp port [22:01] bye antares51 [22:01] 1 week countdown to SWRAP! Can't wait! [22:01] Leif, any chance you've got a RJ45 crimp tool? [22:01] Right now CommVEx is planned for the Nevada Partners building. Closest hotel is 5 minutes to the west at Texas Station Hotel and Casino. [22:01] Um, I can obtain one [22:01] Hi, Todd. [22:01] I spose it miht be adaptable to UP, but someone else can do that. [22:01] Bye, Antares. [22:01] Can you bring it to SWRAP? [22:01] * antares51 (~rick@ip68-110-30-204.om.om.cox.net) Quit (Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4) [22:01] Hello, all. [22:01] UP would be best, as my expansion port is filled with my shiny new IDE64 :) :) [22:01] I already packed for SWRAP... [22:01] All my gear is already in Chicago. [22:02] brain aren't you on vacation? [22:02] Oh, Jim B is too prepared! [22:02] Yes [22:02] Dang. Didn't realize the SWRAP EXPO is this weekend. [22:02] I'm logging in via ssh to my macines at home from Michigan [22:02] Next weekend, Todd. [22:03] always connected! [22:03] * brain is trying to reboot my firewall in Cedar Rapids from Fentin, MI [22:03] Leif, I've got cable and connecters, but my crimp tool is broke :( [22:03] Not always connected here. I need my free time! ;-) [22:03] I'm sure there's one at my old office [22:03] I got 4 SX-64's comin [22:03] 1 VIC [22:03] ...assuming it hasn't beenpinched already [22:04] 2 monitors [22:04] That's it - I'm going to HUNT for a DEAD SX-64 [22:04] So I can stick the C-1 in. [22:04] 8 port hub [22:04] 1-128,1571,1541,PC,64,random hardware... [22:04] a couple short cat5 cables [22:04] VIC UART [22:04] I have to keep hardware to a minimum for SWRAP, there's 5 of us cramming into a truck with Joe Palumbo and his stuff [22:04] 2 486's [22:05] 4 SX-64's? To use all at the same time? [22:05] Yes [22:05] 2 RS232 interfaces [22:05] brain: so you'd be arriving in a Brain Bus if your taking all that stuff with you then !? [22:05] It's already in Chicago. We took the brainmobile. [22:05] Wish I had an SX! [22:05] brain, will one of the 486's be intended for "my end" and TCPser? my Windows laptop's backlight died [22:05] heh [22:05] Oh, SX's reminds me [22:06] brainmobile, just like tha batmobile only powered by Atmel! [22:06] I have 3 serial ports. You're free to one of them. [22:06] You know how the SX kernal is modified to default to device #8? [22:06] That's what a lot of people wanted at CGE... a SX-64 as they looked longingly at my SX. [22:06] yes [22:06] Leif, you bringing your CART project stuff? [22:06] How can I modify a standaed C64 kernal to default to device #12? (IDE64 default) [22:06] See der rabbits, brain? [22:07] i want an SX-500 =P [22:07] I have a 386 with 2 more serial ports. [22:07] * rik1138 (~noone@user-0can6rf.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [22:07] *standard [22:07] rik [22:07] Rik! [22:07] Hi, Rik. [22:07] But, I think I roached it trying to get PPP working on it. [22:07] I have to type LOAD"GAME",12 all the time [22:07] Hello.. [22:07] There's no default device, is there...? [22:07] One of the zpage locations has the default device number in it. [22:07] Oldbit: You mean for making cartridges? [22:07] Check in a Mapping 64 book. [22:07] default? or last used? [22:08] TMR: Yes, default is #1, i/e tape [22:08] Schema: yes... Want to see that... [22:08] getting ready to say that =P [22:08] Does anyone have the slate for the Chicago EXPO? What demos are planned there? [22:08] default, so can just type LOAD"GAME" [22:08] Well, that's only because tape works without filenames? =-) [22:08] Dave Ross would know, Todd. [22:08] Anyone with a dead SX-64 [22:08] Eyeth: www.swrapexpo.org lists a couple [22:08] but surely there are more?? [22:09] an sx64 just went for over £300 on ebay [22:09] * Hiraghm has mapping the 64 in front of him [22:09] Oldbit: I have the cartridges I made, I don't have any PCBs left [22:09] I have a live sx64 wild* [22:09] but they can be ordered from www.c64zone.com [22:09] my c64 in terminal mode is open for chat 210.56.45.246 ready for any c64 or atari [22:09] Joe Palumbo has a dead one [22:09] Schema: just want to see how it's done.. [22:09] I would hate to kill an SX-64 to put a C-One in. [22:09] I have a dead SX-64 from a friend that I'm transporting to Ray Carlsen for repair next weekend. [22:10] Oldbit: It's really easy [22:10] Is it true that only 9000 Sx's were made? [22:10] Wild*- Hey, that was my idea... :) [22:10] 9000? i can't imagine it'd be *that* low [22:10] gotta be more than 9000, Oldbitcol [22:10] Although the pinouts on the PCB was slightly sifferent than the EPROMS I had - took a while to find the problem. Needed to short a pin to ground [22:10] I know but I like it. [22:10] Somewhere I saw that, but it didn't seem correct.. [22:11] I think at least 1 million SX-64's were made. [22:11] There was only 1 blue 64, and it will be at SWRAP [22:11] Schema: not if I bring Matt's :) [22:11] Did you ever pain the bottom? [22:11] i wouldn't mind painting a C128DCR case (protecting the badge and rear FCC information of course) [22:11] (rather) paint the bottom? [22:12] hm. if/when I have 2 128Ds, I might paint one case [22:12] Bronze. =) [22:12] i've got an A3000 that's painted with a nice textured paint, but they painted over the badge ;_; [22:12] Thanks for the SWRAP website link. The demo slate appears to be quite low. I'm sure last minute entries somehow winds up their way into the big board! Will there be a projector available? [22:12] I've got 3 128-Ds [22:12] * Murrlin has a D [22:12] I'd like to have Dale Luck's SX-500. [22:12] one is crippled, tho [22:12] i do like the DCR's metal case better than the D's plastic, personally. [22:12] it was my unit of most-use [22:12] I painted my 286 case black with fleckstone facia. It was slick looking at the time [22:12] * TMR{C0S} wanders off to bed... g'night. [22:13] I've got 4 C128D's and a chic Euro C128D to nicely round up my collection. :) [22:13] bought it with JDos installed [22:13] ? [22:13] Bye, TMR> [22:13] buy tmr [22:13] i need to get some pics of my A3000. it's quite unique, compared to all the other A3000's out there [22:13] bye TMR [22:13] i'm not for sale! =-) [22:13] niters TMR [22:13] What is a SX-500? Is it on SWoC? [22:13] yeah [22:13] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@spc2-leed5-5-0-cust79.seac.broadband.ntl.com) Quit (Quit: www.cosine.org.uk / www.oldschool-gaming.com) [22:13] lol [22:13] * MikeP likes the plastic C128D because it has a handle and keyboard storage ! [22:13] * Murrlin rents TMR [22:13] it's basically an A500 in an SX case [22:13] ooh [22:13] Oh ok. [22:13] Unique? Is it a A3000T? [22:13] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) Quit [22:14] brain... can't find the cables or plugs on digikey [22:14] no. it's an A3000 with a custom paint job (painted by the previous owner, but still looks good) [22:14] i'm forgetting who owns the SX500...haynie perhaps? [22:14] I simply am looking for one that is current have some malfunctioning components. [22:14] I don't know if the SX-500 is there at SWoC, Todd. [22:14] The SX-500 is owned by Dale Luck. [22:15] Basically a dead SX-64 so I can have a better feeling about using the case. [22:15] Hiraghm, huh? [22:15] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [22:15] I'd like to see a Mockingboard box for the c64 =) [22:15] Khalid Aldoseri stuck an A500 in an SX 64 case [22:15] Cables you will not find. [22:15] replaced the monitor with a JVC too [22:15] He brings it to VCF every year. [22:15] 'nite all. [22:15] rehi Schema [22:15] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.198.226.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [22:15] brain, oh, I misunderstood. [22:15] my connection sucks tonight [22:15] * Hiraghm tries to find the connectors he needs [22:15] I miss radio shack :( [22:15] You can find the parts to make the cables at Digikey [22:15] I would be willing to gently dissassemble the unit and store the parts in a safe containment. [22:15] I miss the 80s Radio Shack [22:16] Hiraghm, what sort of DIN plug is it? [22:16] Did I meet this Dale Luck guy? I remember watching an opened SX 64, but I didn't know an Amiga was stuffed into it. [22:16] once upon a time, it was rumored you could find such parts at radio shack [22:16] I was going to say. I do not miss today's RS [22:16] Loscha, not sure. 9 pin I think [22:16] nod [22:16] today's RS is not RS [22:16] Wildstar- How about you stop pandering for a freebie and actually use $$$ towards a dead SX-64 on eBay? :) [22:16] it's a freaking phone/electronic toy store [22:16] no it's compuqe sprint land [22:16] Yes, I have met Dale Luck. Nice guy. After VCF last year, he, his friends and I went to dinner. [22:17] * Murrlin agree [22:17] Because much of the available money is going towards the C-One itself. [22:17] Rick... a panderer?!! No... say it ain't so! ;-) [22:18] Heh. [22:19] There is a $9.99 one that I might go after. [22:19] Ooo, what's the shipping on a 25-pound SX? [22:19] Don't know. [22:19] Shipping for mine was $30 [22:19] depends on where it's going to/from [22:19] Usually about $20-30 via UPS [22:20] 2much. [22:20] Someone said you can package it with a game disk and then ship it as "bulk media mail" [22:20] I estimate - $20-30. [22:20] (best if it's a dead unit already though) [22:20] Media mail?! And the U.S. postal service will allow that? [22:20] It'll be dead after bulk media shipping... :) [22:20] Heh. [22:20] lol [22:20] exactly [22:21] Either way - makes my solution. [22:21] I got one they actually snapped the handle off of... [22:21] i'd like to see them try and jam that in your letterbox! [22:21] As long as they don't break the keyboard. [22:21] after they fold it over, MikeP? :) [22:21] Or damage the original keyboard cable. [22:21] snog: yeah, hehe [22:21] * JavaUser (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.93.52.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [22:21] *cool [22:22] Hi, Java. [22:22] Howdy JavaUser [22:22] imagin trying to get the crease out of it :) [22:22] *gigi [22:22] Ow, that would take metal bending. [22:22] *beer [22:22] My regular mailman knows not to fold stuff into my mailbox...if only I could train the substitute to do the same :/ [22:22] %) [22:23] :/ [22:23] * Hiraghm likes his new virc script [22:23] ow [22:23] BTW, I got the latest UCUGA Commodore Digest. A nice job by Dale Sidebottom. [22:23] Hello Robert B this is the beeman [22:23] what's virc? [22:23] ooo! loadstar vet! [22:23] mirc with a v instead of an m [22:23] I'm also the editor for the next UCUGA Commodore Digest issue. :) [22:23] My mail just drops through the slot into the house laundry room. [22:23] eyeth: where from? [22:24] * Murrlin keeps reading that as Dale Sidbottom [22:24] giggle [22:24] The UCUGA Commodore Digest is produced by the LUCKI Club. [22:24] Loadstar Using Commodore Kook Industry? [22:24] Good! Will give me someone to watch the mail for on Monday? [22:25] * Pnacolada <- Commodore Kook :) [22:25] Murrlin- Nice translation of the LUCKI acronym. [22:25] giggle [22:25] * Murrlin fuzzles Pna [22:25] will there be any 486 laptops for sale there (for 64hdd/starcommander use)? [22:25] eyeth: but what is it really? [22:26] * Pnacolada purrs? :) [22:26] Draco, now if you can get a Commodore 486 laptop, that would be sweet. [22:26] commodore 486 laptop? [22:26] Schema, I can;t find a default device number that'll work. [22:27] It'll require a kernal patch [22:27] C= 486 laptop...? [22:27] i just want an old pc with a cd-rom drive that i can use for starcommander and 64hdd... [22:27] Yes, a Commodore PC 486. [22:27] Murrlin- Louisville Users Commodore Kentucky International. I'm not sure myself. [22:27] wasn't the laptop C= made a 286? [22:27] Going to bed... 11 hour day... See you guys at SWRAP.. [22:27] such a beast exists? [22:27] sweet! [22:27] Bye, Jeff. [22:27] night oldbitcol [22:28] Yes, C= made a 286, a 386, and a 486 laptop. [22:28] niters Oldbitcol [22:28] Nite All! [22:28] ooo hehe [22:28] * Oldbitcol (~oldbit@acs-24-239-255-206.zoominternet.net) Quit [22:28] made them do what? [22:29] Made them run DOS and Windows 3.1. [22:29] RobertB- How did the sensei like geoWrite 128 v2.2? :) Gimme his reaction, heh. [22:30] On Sunday I'm heading to Hara Arena in Dayton Ohio for the Computerfest, did anyone go there today? [22:30] His eyes grew large. His breath shortened (well, it could be the pipe he was smoking.) He held the instructions ever so carefully. [22:30] Geowrite 2.2? [22:30] brb [22:30] and made them obsolete too [22:30] Yes, Ryan, GW 128 v2.2.. [22:30] Dang, I gotta break out my GEOS stuff and make it boot from the HD :/ [22:31] RobertB- Nice. [22:31] I thought just GeoPublish got upgraded, Robert... [22:31] In other words, he was extremely pleased to have another hallowed item for the C=. [22:31] well all i want is a standard 486-ish laptop so i don't need a big desktop computer and a monitor for my drive reading/writing setup [22:31] Cool. [22:31] * David (Miranda@ip-210-56-45-246.morenet.net.nz) has left #c64friends [22:31] So many projects... *sighs* [22:31] Pnacolada- Yeah, that's correct, too. But geoWrite 128 v2.2 upgrade was my first stab at programming Commodore GEOS, back in 1999. [22:31] Todd is working on that, Ryan. The GW 128 2.2 patch came out a few years ago. [22:32] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=74945&item=5119511655&rd=1 [22:32] I wish I kept my couple of stories I wrote on geowrite [22:32] Michael, what happened to them? [22:32] back [22:32] what were the stories about? [22:32] brain, what if I just started with the SX-64 kernal? [22:33] the same stuff as I have been doing thru the 80s, and would keep on doing with Speedscript/PC3/WW3 and later on the PC [22:33] under water fantasy stuff [22:33] I loved those 3 wps [22:33] they each had things about them [22:34] fun things, cool little utils [22:34] Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea?! ;-) [22:34] but I would lastly use .. umm [22:34] the Bee wp [22:34] here you go draco... [22:34] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=74946&item=5119485395&rd=1 [22:34] BBwriter? [22:34] there's a small laptop 486 for you [22:34] busy bee or something [22:34] Mysterious Island?! [22:34] nah [22:34] I liked Speedscript. It was a nice word processor :) [22:34] how many of you are on pcs right now? [22:35] 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea?! ;-) [22:35] btw, has anyone checked out CompuServe lately? [22:35] I'm really looking forward to breaking out GEOS 128 and using geoWrite in 80 columns though at some point :) [22:35] here's some art of/from those times [22:35] * smilertoo (froggo@cpc3-bbrg1-4-0-cust47.renf.cable.ntl.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [22:35] snogpitch, there is no CIS [22:35] http://users2.ev1.net/~murrlin/UW/thumbs1.htm and thumbs2.htm [22:35] not bad hiraghm... [22:35] CompuServe is now like Delphi, same people writting the software :( [22:35] Robert, I saw Jim Sachs demo that at AmiExpo Chicago in 190 [22:36] I didnt like GeoWrite's block limitations [22:36] * stpusnmyn (The_Edge@rrcs-nys-24-24-29-27.biz.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [22:36] No, I haven't looked at Compuserve, Snog. Gene Woods of UPCHUG is still a CS member, though. [22:36] would have to persuade my parents to let me bid on it (they like to know what i do with my money) [22:36] so I moved to SS/etc [22:36] * GWBzor (The_Edge@rrcs-nys-24-24-29-27.biz.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:36] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:36] http://go.compuserve.com/vintagecomputing [22:36] * steveO (steves@adsl-216.mdfd.internetcds.com) has joined #c64friends [22:36] * steveO (steves@adsl-216.mdfd.internetcds.com) has left #c64friends [22:36] Anyone played T3 on their NTSC setups? [22:36] RobertB- You also visited CUE, right? How was Bruce Thomas? Did he show you the geoPublish upgrade? [22:36] you can now access their forum on the web [22:36] Ryan, I hope you have at least 2 drives for GEOS. [22:36] I kept having to slip text down into the next block just to add some [22:36] Oh, I've got a 1541, 1571, 1581 and the HD. And RAM expansion :) [22:37] Jim Sachs at the AmiExpo in which year? [22:37] it was amazing.. he turned the A500 on, stuck the disk in the drive, and by the time he counted to 3, "20,000 Leagues" was playing [22:37] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [22:37] Yes, Todd. I visited CUE. Bruce was fine. He showed me GP 1.1. [22:37] Eyeth - neat, a GEOS programmer :) [22:37] CompuServe's Vintage Computing forum has Amiga and Commdore discussions [22:37] * stpusnmyn is now known as GWBzor [22:38] RobertB- Cool. [22:38] You're all set, Ryan! [22:38] Not many C= people visit it tho [22:38] Yeah :) I remember when I first tried Geos... just had 1 basic 1541 :) [22:38] haha sounds like me [22:38] 20,000 Leagues, the game? [22:38] It wasn't all that impressive so I didn't use it :) [22:38] RobertB- You're the only guy I know who has travelled far and wide to meet Commodore enthusiasts everywhere. I wish I could have a similar travel schedule! [22:38] it came with my 64c I bought at sears [22:39] When I first tried Geos, I had only my MSD, wouldn't boot off that [22:39] with a 1541II [22:39] does geos have support for a basic vanilla rs232 cart? [22:39] I tried the compuserve link [22:39] it died on me [22:39] apparently it wanted to set 147 cookies I didn't want [22:39] (like the one jim brain gave to me) (max-232 chip) [22:39] Ah, but Jeri is catching up to me, Todd! [22:39] dracosilv, you might want to check out geoterm [22:39] RobertB, 20,000 leagues the game [22:39] RobertB- Heh. [22:40] it works with regular C= modems, and anything connected to that port [22:40] I occasionally make a Commodore-related stop or two when I travel [22:40] Allan Bairstow also visited my state for his vacation. Too bad we weren't able to hook up or whatever. [22:40] Draco, GEOS can connect to a laser printer via RS-232. [22:40] \But nothing in RobertB's league [22:40] Darn, you missed Allan B.! [22:41] geoterm? [22:41] Yep, I can't get to it with my Mac, unless if I use Netscape :/ [22:41] All, Allan.... [22:41] Schema- When you mention a commodore-related stop, you mean dumpster diving or surreptiously surveilling local Goodwill shops? :) [22:41] how would i get a copy of geoterm? [22:41] or is it free/standard? [22:41] build a time machine, first... [22:41] At CGE I was invited to a demo party in Venice, Italy next year. Italy is in my plans, but I've never been to Venice. [22:41] More alarmingly, even Goodwill no longer stocks C= items. I suspect they just throw them away when people donate them. [22:42] Got to find Allan Bairstow [22:42] Aieeeeeee! [22:42] geoterm should be at funet [22:42] *smacks goodwill [22:42] ack! [22:42] * Murrlin tromps goodwill [22:42] Geoterm... wasn't that from the RUN disks? [22:42] and all their shitty discarded HP printers! [22:43] think, why are they THERE =) [22:43] probably get snapped up and listed on ebay [22:43] does anyone know what command to use in the Vice monitor to modify data? [22:43] because they DONT WORK no more lol [22:43] and they kinda suck [22:43] Just join a user group and advertise. Lots of people will give you C= stuff. [22:43] * Murrlin hearts his canon printer [22:43] Schema. back. If you burn the SX kernal, you're good to go. [22:43] Otherwise, just diff the kernals... [22:43] Yeah. Most of the stuff I've seen there is certified broken. [22:43] * JPPBM (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [22:43] MikeP- >0800 a9 38 b9 49 etc... [22:44] Mike, I don't know VICE well enough to answer you. [22:44] JPPBM [22:44] thanks eyeth [22:44] Hi, Joe P. [22:44] MikeP. I do. [22:44] Howdy JPPBM [22:44] Hmmm.. [22:44] RobertB- Well, if I had a basement like Rolf's, I'll certainly advertise for donated C= items. :) [22:44] Wonder what shipping cost for a palletload of C64s would be. [22:44] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [22:44] * Murrlin shouts a hello to brain [22:44] um [22:44] aw crap [22:44] * Hiraghm hearts his Panasonic 2135, his Cannon 4304 and BJ80, his Okimate 20, and his CBM 1520 [22:45] * JPPBM is now known as Schema2 [22:45] well i have to go, but when we next meet all, it will be at the expo! (btw... will there be terminals hooked up so we can chat here at the expo?) [22:45] But Rolf's basement is full of C= stuff already, Todd. [22:45] but I dont think that the c64 will ever do USB [22:45] buy draco [22:45] * brain had to tend to baby [22:45] dracosilv, at 8pm CST we will probably still be eating dinner [22:45] Michael, don't tell that to Jeri. :-) [22:45] * dracosilv gestures to the dollar sign that's tattooed on my wing by pnacolada [22:45] RobertB- My point exactly. I don't have a basement and my house will fill up quickly and my family will complain right into my ears. :) [22:45] see ya draco :) [22:45] seeya! [22:45] robert: eh? oh *hehehe* [22:46] consider it a goal challenge [22:46] Bye, Draco. [22:46] bye! [22:46] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-69-76-121-53.wi.rr.com) has left #c64friends (see you all in person in a week!) [22:46] Especially when Jeri converts the Apple II Anytime USB card to Commodore. [22:46] *boggles [22:46] the what who card to wha?? [22:46] Apple II USB? [22:46] where!? [22:47] What exactly are the Applers doing with the USB card? :) [22:47] *cough cough [22:47] let me see that!! [22:47] I think I'm just going to kill the COGS project [22:47] We can always reintroduce it later, Hiraghm, after we have a chance to think about it. I mean, it's a great idea :) I'm just ... I dunno, I'm one of those people who never finishes what they start :/ [22:47] gah I dont google very well [22:48] In 2003 Jeri produced the prototype Anytime USB card and showed it off at KansasFest. This year she showed it off again and also at the LUCKI Expo. [22:48] Hiraghm... Why kill it? [22:48] I saw it [22:48] *peers at it [22:48] You'll have to ask her how far along the Anytime project has gotten. [22:49] brain, well, you wanted to do the server, pna and draco wanted involved, and the only one posting on my board about it other than me is Wild* [22:49] But, how would the Apple II crowd use the USB adapter? There'll have to be software drivers written? [22:49] Give it a bit of teim. [22:49] =time [22:49] I can;t devote time to it until after EXPO. [22:49] Hold on for a few weeks [22:49] Yes, Todd. Jeri does the hardware. Someone else will have to do the software. [22:49] * Schema2 is now known as SchemaBRB [22:50] Ah, ok. The Apple II people certainly have their fair share of talented software programmers. I'm sure it can be done. [22:50] *wanted to see onboard USB on the C1. Wah [22:50] Hiraghm... Besides, I don't post. I code, then I post. [22:51] A motto to live by... I code, I post. [22:51] Not I post and then I code? :) [22:51] I read POST codes [22:51] Sounds very sensible to me! All too often, I see a lot of talk in comp.sys.cbm and rarely any follow-through. :( [22:51] lol [22:51] *doesn't code, or post. [22:52] okay, I'll put it on hold for a few weeks [22:52] I think Rick follows your advice, Ryan. ;-) [22:52] * Pnacolada chuckles at Robert. [22:52] what's the COGS project? [22:52] We're going to clone President Reagan and run him for Prez in 2008, antigen. :p [22:52] Aha! *points at Hiraghm* See? People don't even realize it's out there, don't give up yet ;) [22:52] Yes, tell us more about C.O.G.S.. [22:53] C.ommodre O.nline G.ame S.ystem [22:53] That one sounds cool, actually. [22:53] Is it accessible with a real Commodore? [22:53] Anyone wanna play Ultima Online for the C64? :) [22:53] http://www.xtimports.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=10 [22:53] hir: ooo [22:53] Robert, that's the idea. a Linux server, Commodore clients [22:53] That's... kind of our idea, Eyeth, in vastly simplified format :) [22:53] C64, C128, SCPU and C-1. [22:54] Of course, people like me with Action Replay carts can easily wipe out opponents on the COGS system. :) [22:54] Eyeth, I'd prefer Everquest :) [22:54] I have a shell account. Can my Commodore get into it? [22:54] ar? [22:54] Eyeth, would be difficult to do since the actual game will run on a Linux server [22:54] Eyeth: Don't worry, they'll come up with level editors anyway ;) [22:55] hack into the server and give themeslves 10 of everything :) [22:55] Hiraghm I thought you already did, called him "Bush" [22:55] antigen, nope, too much Carter got into the gene pool there. [22:55] Well, right now we're trying to come up with a storyline and genre... Hiraghm's in charge of coding and stuff :) [22:55] I'd probably be working on storyline and such. [22:56] Robert, can your commodore get into your shell account, or can it get into the COGS game? [22:56] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/cogs_01.jpg [22:56] I have my Commodore on-line through a shell account. Can I use COGS from there. [22:56] ? [22:56] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/cogs_02.jpg [22:56] yeah, you should [22:57] Not with those jpg's. [22:57] We're at very early stages, but what we're thinking is relying on tcpser [22:57] Looks good. This will be demoed at the EXPO? [22:57] Oh-oh, sounds like I have to have a PC in the mix. [22:58] tcpser will be demoed, but COGS is still in design stage [22:58] here's what I'd like, but you can't do this on a C64 [22:58] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/mill.jpg [22:59] Don't say can't, or else someone will prove you wrong ;) [22:59] Eyeth, oh no. [22:59] there isn't even a line of code written yet. [22:59] ooo [22:59] O.K., prove me wrong. [22:59] what is that from!? [22:59] Ok. [22:59] Twilight Lands Murrlin [22:59] hmmm [22:59] platform? year of publishing? maker? [22:59] Well, I'm signing off. Yet an another great CBM chat! Later, all. [22:59] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6c-223.miamfl.adelphia.net) has left #c64friends [22:59] a graphical MUD from before they started calling them MMORPGs [22:59] Bye, Todd. [23:00] that looks pretty! [23:00] PC, "Ice Online Entertainment" [23:00] is it available now? [23:00] no [23:00] reminds me of an online Underworldish game [23:00] aw shit. [23:00] that was made in... 1992-1994 or so [23:00] ran on a 386 [23:00] bum grapes [23:00] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [23:00] what a loss. [23:00] * SchemaBRB (~spam@209.151.141.59) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:00] died before it got going. wasn't an internet based game. you had to phone in. [23:01] like a bbs? [23:01] back, more or less [23:01] long distance from Oklahoma to Vancouver BC was a bear. [23:01] wb, Schema [23:01] Hi, Leif. [23:01] shiyit! wow [23:01] like a bbs, but more like Qlink or Compuserve [23:01] Hiraghm: You weren't l33t enough :-) [23:01] EA ended up bying all the company's stuff when they went under. [23:01] I hated that they disbanded Qlink right when I got my modem [23:01] damn their bits [23:02] Schema, I wasn't l33t enough for what? :) [23:02] free long distance :-) [23:02] Murrlin: Check out www.telbbs.com, there's a few people trying to bring back Qlink [23:02] over the 'net [23:02] That snap looks great :) [23:02] schema: was it you that wanted to change the default device number the kernal uses> [23:02] ? [23:02] its very pretty [23:02] Yes [23:03] its like UW2 level graphics [23:03] actually, COGS will be more like this, probably... [23:03] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/Fairlight_01.jpg [23:03] even slightly Daggerfallish [23:03] I wonder if you could do some stuff with Dave Moorman's DotBASIC. I love that package so far... [23:03] schema: you have an eprom burner? [23:03] Schema, lol most people weren't back then :) [23:03] Dotbasic? [23:03] tell [23:03] Yup, I've already modded my kernal (put my name on startup screen) [23:04] it's an event-driven object oriented extension to BASIC, Murrlin :) [23:04] With keyboard/mouse/joystick control :) [23:04] Dotbasic is so excellent. Shame I haven't been able to play with it since LUCKI [23:04] A lot like visual basic [23:04] Yeah! Dave let me have a copy and I've been tinkering with it! [23:04] Yeah, dotBasic... kind of like VisualBASIC for the Commodore. [23:04] here's another shot from TL, Murrlin [23:04] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/wharf.jpg [23:04] It's so cool :) [23:04] rob: url? [23:05] ooo thats so pretty *sigh* [23:05] schema: ok, well i have modified a kernal for device 12 default [23:05] Tinkering, Ryan? What have you created with it? [23:05] I'd love to see ultima underworld 3 =D [23:05] Michael, contact Dave Moorman directly at revdave6(at)rmi.net [23:05] Wow, that was quick. In fact, you did what brain could not - well done [23:05] of course, it might look like SysShock 2 [23:06] or even like MW or NWN [23:06] you want me to dcc it to you? [23:06] MikeP: Many changes, or just a byte or two? [23:06] schema? [23:06] oh, nm [23:06] sorry, missed a line [23:06] schema: just one byte, in the routine that sets the defaults for load/save/open etc [23:06] email is best - leif at schemafactor dot com [23:06] Umm, not much! Just printed out the docs and looked at his VObj and the other program (can't remember the name) that lets you create the screen object collections... [23:06] What offset? I can probably change it myself with a hex editor [23:07] i'll email you the link to the kernal disassembly [23:07] way over my head, but I'll look :) [23:07] But I'd like to design the level editor for my text adventure in it I think :) Just to tinker :) [23:07] you can see the default value is 01, loaded into the X register [23:07] Ah-ha, a text adventure. [23:07] Just got some food, now I feel better. [23:08] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/bettie_page_black.jpg [23:08] wish it looked more like that, Murrlin :) [23:08] E1D9 A2 01 LDX #$01 [23:08] Food? Maybe I'll get some ice tea. California is sweltering today. [23:08] Thanks mike!!! [23:08] Can you whip up an index into all these images, Hiraghm? [23:09] I'll mod my kernal file in VICE to test, then can burn it straight to eprom [23:09] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/ [23:09] oh :) [23:09] schema: no prob :) tested in vice and works like a charm :) [23:09] I need to delete some though. taking up room and they're obsolete [23:09] I hope it doesn't break something else within IDE64 [23:09] but should be ok! [23:10] Hiraghm: What are these pics? I missed the earlier discussion [23:10] schema: well i tested it by using my emulated ide64 hard drive [23:10] Hehehe - now what was that statement about - I think Rick follows your advice, Ryan. ;-) [23:10] there's no reason COGS shouldn't work without a PC in the middle. If you can get your C64 on the net, it should be able to access the game server [23:10] Ah, cool. Which IDEDOS? [23:10] schema: the beta, v0.9x [23:10] Schema, lol... 4 of them were pics of possible game genres [23:10] the last one was a joke [23:10] same one that I run in my real IDE64 [23:11] Just remember that my C128 is text-browsing. [23:11] Robert, hm. [23:11] loading games from CD on my real C64 is just the coolest thing [23:11] I'll be getting myself a Retro Replay then RR-NET [23:12] schema: yeah i miss that, still i like playing with the beta, it has some nice features, and the cdrom part is working on being restored [23:12] What are the advantages over 0.8? That's not clear to me yet [23:13] schema: support for hard drives up to 128gig, LS120 support, CMD HD command and software compatability [23:13] better built in dos wedge [23:13] 128 gig!!!! [23:13] Uhm.. [23:14] Where DO you find an LS120 these days? [23:14] It took my 64 half an hour to format a 32MB flash card!! :-) [23:14] * JavaUser1 (~Javauser@ip68-10-243-51.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [23:14] Hi, Java. [23:14] is the wedge more JiffyDos-like? /, % all that? [23:14] Howdy JavaUser [23:14] I looking for 1024 GBytes support. [23:14] WTF [23:14] schema: you selected the wrong options in format, should only take about 1 or 2 mins [23:14] I've got a 128mb card in my IDE64 [23:15] Oh? [23:15] beata: got two brand new LS120s for $19 [23:15] hi folks (tha1ien) [23:15] Where? [23:15] MikeP: I skipped the "optional" part at first, but it didn't work. Needed to do the full thing [23:15] I just picked the defaults [23:15] * JavaUser1 (~Javauser@ip68-10-243-51.hr.hr.cox.net) Quit (Client Quit) [23:15] *has maybe a dozen LS120 diskettes [23:16] thea1ien [23:16] Damn LR is not here. [23:16] schema: i cant remember exactly, but i had the same prob. when i spoke to someone about it they said you dont have to select "whatever" option.. sorry for being vague, but the new format process is completely different [23:16] Wildstar: You realize, that all of Arnold, all of Funet, all of Zimmers, and every user group disk and program EVER for the 64 would only take about 2 GB? [23:16] beata: i got them from Ebay [23:16] YES!!!! [23:16] Ooooh. [23:16] Schema, that may be true IF you delete all duplicates [23:17] LS120... high density disks? [23:17] * Alan-BRB is now known as Alan [23:17] Like the SuperDrive in Macs? [23:17] yes [23:17] Actually - every user's group disk might be interesting and every program EVER for the 64 may be fun to see. [23:17] schema: plus the new dos also has a 1541/1581 fastloaded, ability to set your own startup colours and a few other nifty things [23:17] Snog: I do have all of Arnold, old Funet, Zimmers, etc... on a DVD-ROM [23:17] schema wow [23:17] MikeP: 0.8 has all of those! [23:18] But remember Schema - we are soon going to have 1 and 2 Terabytes HDs as standard. [23:18] schema: now all we need is for the cdrom support to be put back in and we have one nifty (if expensive) hd controller [23:18] Schema, when CCCC's archive becomes available it may be 3 CDs of stuff [23:18] I still am looking for that christmas demo that has March of the Toys on it [23:18] a little mouse on a choochoo by a toy soldier [23:18] Schema how much does it add up to? [23:18] under a tree [23:19] By the time I get some of these HDs, 1024 GIGs maybe the smallest size available. [23:19] schema: i didnt realise that the v.89x had bootup colour selection [23:19] about 2 GB [23:19] MikeP: Yup. But I had already customized my colors in my kernal :-) [23:19] of what, mikep? [23:19] You know, I *like* the default blue color scheme :) [23:19] murrlin: huh? [23:20] v.89x of what? [23:20] Yeah, Commodore blue! [23:20] Hmmm. [23:20] murrlin: ide64 [23:20] Snog: Excellent! TPUG is thinking of doing an archive too, but it should fit on 1 (initial gues) [23:20] The green and grey on the 128 isn't that nice IMHO :/ [23:20] When blue meant something good. [23:20] I made the default text white - better visibility [23:20] Pna, I agree [23:20] * Murrlin sings I'm blue comma da comma dore de commodore.. [23:20] Very true, Ryan. [23:21] MikeP: Expensive for sure. Cost twice the rest of my COmmodore collection put together [23:21] White seems to blur too much on my monitor... [23:21] Of course, when I moved from the VIC to the 64 I thought the C64 colors were ugly [23:21] schema: have a look at soci's web site for more info. http://singularcrew.hu/idedos/ [23:21] Thanks. I browsed it a while back [23:21] * Pnacolada wonders about doing a startup animation sequence like with the SuperCPU, somehow... [23:22] 0.8 is working great though. I have a little startup program that maps useful IDE64 commands to function keys [23:22] schema: i was lucky, i got in early while our (australian) dollar was good and the device was a bit cheaper ( no CF ), i think i paid US$80 [23:22] which works in lieu of a wedge [23:22] Ryan, you mean like the startup animation on a 64GS? [23:22] Schema, did you get you ide64? [23:22] schema: I think that once the CDROM support is added back in this will move from beta to an official release [23:22] I've never seen that, Robert :) But I was thinking different than the rocket that flies across the screen... [23:22] Yes, I did! About 3 days ago. It's fantastic [23:23] The 64GS animation tells you to insert a cart. [23:23] Schema, great! [23:23] Like a globe spinning or something... I don't know :) Oh! Okay :) [23:23] Alan, will you be at SWRAP? [23:24] Is there an emulator that shows the 64GS screen? [23:24] Schema, No. I sure wish I could go. [23:24] dammit I wish I could be in a c= group before I die =( [23:24] Oooo, how about a Commodore symbol spinning? [23:24] That would be even better! [23:24] Murrlin: Anyone can join most of the user groups, regardless of geography [23:24] snog: you could probably use the latest version of Vice, and set the kernal to the GS one [23:24] I joined LUCKI, even though I'm about 4 hours from there, [23:24] Murrlin - how old are you! [23:25] Michael, you can be a long-distance member of a C= club. [23:25] 40 in a week [23:25] And we need a startup sound... how about the THX sound? "The audience is now Commodoring" :) [23:25] Thought about joining CCCC, that's even closer. [23:25] :) [23:25] but I want to sit in the middle of a pile of running c=s and just use/run/play with everything [23:25] Hey, you have some years [23:25] Join our club, Michael! We have long-distance members! [23:25] Now, where is your location Murrlin ? [23:25] Murrlin: COme to one of these Expos! That's basically what happens at them :) [23:26] Cincy is close enough for me to even make it to a meeting every once in a while [23:26] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/gallery/C1Earth.jpg [23:26] NW houston and I want to go to somewhere I can drive to! i.e, 10 miles or less =p [23:26] and I want morning meetings [23:26] I dont go out at night [23:26] I work at night [23:26] Hmmm.... [23:26] Ah, that sucks [23:26] morning weekday meetings [23:26] Can always start your own club, too :) [23:26] thats what I hated about st louis [23:26] Is the Commodore Houston User Group still going? [23:26] all their ugs were weekend evenings [23:27] I'm probably the only C= user within a hundred mile radius of my home. [23:27] when I couldnt get anywhere [23:27] snogpitch: i can confirm it works with vice.. i just downloaded the romset :) [23:27] * smilertoo (froggo@cpc3-bbrg1-4-0-cust47.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #c64friends [23:27] * Murrlin grumblesighs [23:27] 4 §:o) [23:27] 4 §:o) [23:27] 4 §:o) [23:27] MikeP: The C64GS romset? [23:27] Hi, Smilertoo. [23:27] pna: yeah [23:27] which roms needed replaced? [23:27] oh cool. [23:28] Anyone have a 1571 JiffyDOS ROM for sale? [23:28] snog: because i'm lazy all I did was tell vice to use the GS kernal, i didnt bother with charset or basic [23:28] I need JD for my 71 actually. [23:28] 4 §:o) [23:28] 4 §:o) [23:28] I can't remember right now, Snog. I have a 64GS motherboard in storage. [23:28] Anyway, to establish a user's group - you can start a "non-profit" Commodore group. [23:28] * Murrlin whimpers [23:29] Not necessary, Rick. [23:29] Like starting any non-profit organization. [23:29] BRB. Need food! [23:29] and if I may be so selfcentered? [23:29] I imagine they're all non-profit. [23:29] Not really. [23:29] I want people to make ME feel like I'm not wasting my time being somewhere where everyone's enjoying themselves but me [23:29] 4goodnigut [23:29] Bye, Java. [23:29] you'll always have lots more chances to be with other users a lot more than I ever will [23:29] so that day should be MY TURN dammit! [23:30] * JavaUser (~Javauser@dialup-4.235.93.52.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:30] I want 100% welcome and 100% hands on allowance [23:30] Robert, Well, I guess I meant there aren't any C= user groups in the Fortune 500 at any rate. [23:30] For legalities issues - an official organization that receives membership fees needs to be established as an organization. [23:30] grrr. [23:30] A constitution, ect. [23:30] and I'd have to play so much catch up it would take me a friggin week [23:30] .... [23:30] * Murrlin expects too much =( [23:31] * Murrlin sighs and curls up [23:31] * BruceT (~chatzilla@S01060004e24fa9e1.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [23:31] Hi, Bruce. [23:31] Bruce [23:31] Howdy BruceT [23:31] It really isn't too difficult just takes a little time but hey - once that is established - its up and running. [23:31] Bruce.. umm sounds familiar [23:31] Good Evening everyone. Looks like a good crowd tonight still. [23:31] What's the weather like in Edmonton right now? [23:32] http://www.vanderpoel.demon.nl/commodore/ [23:32] if you want the GS roms and others [23:32] There's a crowd, anyway. Not sure how good we are. [23:32] Bruce... who's Bruce and why does his name sound familiar? [23:32] Actually a nice clear night but kind of cool [23:32] Hi Murrlin. [23:32] Raining in southern Ohio [23:32] Hot and muggy. [23:32] Raining in Toronto [23:32] Send that weather to California! :-) [23:32] Who is Murrlin? [23:32] a repressed c64 user [23:32] ha [23:32] :) [23:32] Murrlin is Michael. [23:33] And vice-versa. [23:33] * Murrlin the wizard kitty at your service [23:33] Michael the Enchanter [23:34] Well, Murrlin, I am Bruce. From the Great White North. Big GEOS and TWS fan. [23:34] tws? [23:34] Bruce, Todd Elliott was on earlier and asked me about my seeing Geopublish 1.1 at your house. [23:34] what kinds of topics have been going on tonight? [23:34] TWS... The Write Stuff. [23:34] Did I show you that Robert? Can't remember. [23:34] Is The Write Stuff being sold still, or is it available for download anywhere? I hear a lot about it being very good, but I've never used it. [23:35] I assume no-one has an answer to the Pico]OS question ? [23:35] Of course, Bruce. And I was suitably impressed. [23:35] Yes, I love TWS - aka The Write Stuff - aka BB Writer [23:35] Yes, Alan. It is still being sold. [23:35] Bruce, were you the fellow demo-ing Todd's Geopublish upgrade at the LUCKI expo? [23:36] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-138-217-223-7.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [23:36] I think I have a copy of TWS around here Alan. We used to be a distributor club and sold over 100 copies. [23:36] Hallo LR [23:36] Yes, Alan. That was me. [23:36] Bruce, we've been talking about gaming, user groups, shows like Chicago and CommVEx, and IDE64. [23:36] Our club sells TWS [23:36] Hello LordRonin [23:36] Hi, Dave Mohr! [23:36] Ahhhh, CommVEx is out of the closet? [23:36] Howdy LordRonin [23:36] Hi Lord [23:36] Bruce, Ok. I can put a face on you now. [23:36] Our club sells TWS. [23:36] Hoi all, just worked through 1900 pieces of mail. [23:36] Don't forget the World of Commodore!! December 4, Toronto [23:37] wow, that's alot of mail! [23:37] What version of TWS would you want/need Alan? There is a 64 version. A 128 Version. A talking 64 version. [23:37] Yes, it's coming out of the closet this week. [23:37] Lord Ronin - I think there is a problem in the phoneline - I have. [23:37] Bruce, I assume the 128 version is the best? [23:37] http://tpug.icomm.ca/woc/ [23:37] Thanks for the face Alan. I was feeling a little out of sorts without it. [23:37] lol [23:37] ha [23:37] You know what I mean [23:37] Snogpitch: Been off line for the laest week. Doing other projects. Mail stacked up :-( [23:37] The problem is that there is noise on the phone-line. [23:37] Well, the 128 version is best if you have a 128. [23:37] There's more memory for the document in the 128 TWS, Alan. [23:37] Enough that there it is audible. [23:38] Wildstar: CIA bugging your phone? [23:38] so, that's all Email? geesh :/ [23:38] More likely Tulip [23:38] CIA... or is it the VIA? hmmmm [23:38] So what makes TWS stand out from the other word processors out there? [23:38] brb [23:38] There is line noise which makes it unreliable for computer data. [23:38] Snogpitch: Yeah all the C= lists I know of, game lists and c.s.c, fido and Alt64 [23:39] Wildtar: Sounds like a complaint for the phone company [23:39] Cost, ease of use, cost, handy keyboard overlay, super fast spell checker, did I mention the cost?, reads/writes many formats [23:39] Probably. [23:39] * smilertoo (froggo@cpc3-bbrg1-4-0-cust47.renf.cable.ntl.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:39] (I'll probably will have to discuss the matters in person [23:39] Bruce, good job on your LUCKI demo, by the way. I was astounded how similar to Quark geoPublish ca be. [23:39] Wildstar: had that problem here a few years ago. Turned out someone had spliced int6o my line. [23:39] Hey, LR, I dug out a MSD disk copy utility. You might not have it. I'll get it right now. [23:40] TWS also has a handy menu to access commands. Makes it easy to learn. Advanced users can do without the menu if they want. [23:40] BRB. [23:40] The phone company probably jack things up a little bit. [23:40] Robert: Thanks, Mad Max is helping me repair itetmes and the MSD is on the list. [23:40] Has anyone ever customised JiffyDOS for their own needs? Specifically i'd like to know if anyone has hacked a CBM80 bypass into it? [23:40] Yes, if BSW had continued improving gP and their PC line of software it really would have given programs like Quark a good run. Sure packs a lot of power for a C-64 app. [23:41] Wildstar: Possibly with the work you mentioned before in the area. Still needs to be reported. [23:41] I used to use Paperback Writer for the 64. I really liked the pseudo-WYSIWYG. That is, italics and bold displayed that way instead of funny little codes. [23:41] MikeP: A CBM80 bypass? That's the code to autostart a cartridge, but... what's that got to do with JD? :) [23:41] I can't seem to find that Paperback Writer anywhere now. [23:42] Whenever I hear that name I think of the Beatles song :) [23:42] (I'll have to get #9 (formerly?) to do something. [23:42] pna, me too. [23:42] MikeP: That should be trivial, or do you want to only skip CBM80 with a keypress? [23:42] Alan: Can't swear to it right now. Might have a couple copies here of the 64 and 128 versions [23:42] I never got into PBW. I tried Paperback Publisher but by that time was a diehard geoPublish fan and found no reason to give it up. [23:42] pna: i've seen other kernal replacements with something similar. You hold down, say, the Commodore key while pressing reset and it allows to you drop back to basic instead of autobooting the cart [23:42] if someone had hacked that into JD it would be cool [23:43] Otherwise - have to get by with some form of cellular modem. [23:43] LR, would you mind emailing me a D64 or something of PBW if you come across it? [23:43] MikeP: But 2 versions of teh kernal in an EPROM when switch between them [23:43] Wildstar: That may be difficult if you mention the BBS part. I'm on short tonight, game in a few minutes. Kitty Dice bag is dieing beside me. [23:43] one looking for CBM80, one looking for (say) CBM81 [23:43] MikeP: I think I get it :) [23:43] I'll have a question about that SX-64 you have. [23:43] schema: holding down a key while pressing reset is more eligant tho :) [23:43] Errr, Put, the, then [23:43] I'm back. [23:43] (the dead one) [23:44] I have Paperback Writer. [23:44] Alan: Let me hunt through the piles of disks. Then remind me next week. If I found it then I can do that for you. No prob. Was going to put it on the BBS someday. [23:44] or a switch on the side is cool too :-) [23:44] Instead of reaching back to change the switch or type a command... [23:44] Wildstar: Yeah still have the dead one. [23:44] MikeP, will you be at the SWRAP expo next weekend? [23:44] LR, don't go to a lot of trouble for me...but I will remind you. Thanks! [23:44] schema: i've got a four kernal switcher in the thing, i could do that i suppose :) [23:45] Well there you go! :-) [23:45] Alan: Null Perspiration I wanted to put it up and my copy is in the stack of "to Do". [23:45] LR, it's called the Clone Machine by Richard Capp, Micro-W Distributing, Inc.. [23:45] Schema: SWRAP is a little too far for me, being that i'm in Australia :) [23:45] I was wondering if there is any deal about that unit - that we can discuss in person. [23:45] Wow. Is SWRAP next weekend already? Looking forward to new stuff from Grag N. [23:45] Or the full title, the Clone Machine for MSD. [23:45] Robert: Think that might be a file in my collection, not certain. right now. Too many things on the mind. [23:45] MikeP: Oh, nevermind then! We should chat more, sounds like we've got some similar projects [23:45] 4 kernal switcher :) I can't even think of 4 kernal replacements to use in it :) [23:45] I'm starting to want an IDE64. Although I'm still pretty happy with 64HDD [23:45] Yes, Bruce. NExt weekend. [23:46] Wildsstar: Yeah we can talk about it [23:46] My Commodore Projects page: http://home.ica.net/~leifb/commodore/ [23:46] (Alright - I will want to take a look at the case and all and the keyboard part. [23:46] LR, it says, "easy disk format, copy entire disk or copy specific tracks, copy specific filenames, true bit copy... [23:47] schema: yeah i like to hack around a little. i'm no way a c64 expert but i can knock up a few things when needed :) [23:47] Back-up disks with error protection, specify disk name and disk id... [23:47] Sounds like me [23:47] Schema, can you run GEOS or Wheels from IDE64? [23:47] There is a GEOS driver *but* it has its own disk format [23:47] esy one key abort system, different sounds for copy conditions... [23:47] so you can't have GEOS files and other files on the same disk [23:48] graphic representation of back-up, and fully supports dual drive. [23:48] LordRonin - I'll looking for an SX-64 case for the C-One. I definitely don't want to tear apart a live SX-64 [23:48] Wildstar: Kcase IIRC is fine. Keyboard was tested on another one a while back [23:48] but with CompactFLash cards being so cheap (I just bought a 32MB one for $10 Canadian) [23:48] Who would think of mixing other files with GEOS files anyhow? [23:48] Schema, and IDE64 doesn't support the C128 at all does it? [23:48] Alright. [23:48] schema: was it you that was going to send me the source for the directory navigation program being written? [23:48] ..you can have one for GEOS and one for games etc. [23:48] Nope, no 128 support, ever. [23:48] The 128 will boot in 64 mode if you have an IDE64 hooked up [23:49] There are a few deadish SX-64's on eBay at the moment. Love the way they are all RARE. [23:49] Robert: Thanks for the info. Sorry not able to concentrate right now. Trying to keep a 15 year old kitty, the black one, comfortable and able to see the vet on monday, if he makes it that long. :-( [23:49] Alam, from what I've heard IDE64 doesn't support GEOS. [23:49] Unless someone else does it. The IDE64 team isn't looking at it, but others have ideas [23:49] Oh! Another thing I was wondering... does anyone have the graphical partition maker for the 1581 drive? I don't even know the name of it or if it's a commercial program... [23:49] I be looking for using the SX-64 case for the C-One when I get ahold of it. So we can discuss what you would want for it. [23:49] Darn, LR! Another sick cat! :-( [23:50] 1581 Toolkit? [23:50] I have it, Ryan. [23:50] That may be it, Snogpitch. [23:50] MikeP: Oh, yes it was! No time to find the program this past week, sorry [23:50] I find making subpartitions a big pain. :P [23:50] schema: thats cool :) [23:50] It's a great feature, but... [23:50] or Super 81 Utilities? [23:50] Wildstar: We can discuss gutting the parts for repair and you buying the case. [23:50] hi lordronin [23:51] I have Super 81 Utilities, too. [23:51] I'm not sure which program, I've never used either one, really. :) [23:51] I like to keep the keyboard. [23:51] Robert: Yeah he hasn't eaten or drank for two days. Putting him on some medications I have. [23:51] Basically the case and keyboard. [23:51] Hoi Hiraghm [23:51] RobertB: Here's the GEOS driver for IDE64. http://members.elysium.pl/ytm/html/ciaide.html [23:51] By the way, LR, I'll be up to Portland next weekend, with a side trip to Ray Carlsen for computer repairs. [23:51] Haven't tried it yet myself. One of these days though [23:51] CMD's subpartition aid program is a step in the right direction, though. [23:51] Wildstar: Have a spare keyboard for an SX as well [23:52] Nice, Leif. Does it work well? [23:52] schema: hehe, i keep meaning to try that too.. might actually make using geos kinda fun [23:52] Oops, question answered. [23:52] Oh, ok - I'll have to stop by some time to discuss it. [23:52] Wildstar: Will be in shop tomorrow. Writing the fiction things for Load Star [23:52] I wish Nick (or anyone) would write Wheels drivers for 64hdd [23:52] doesnt wheels need a supercpu? [23:53] No [23:53] I have a spare 8 MB CF card from my digital camera that I'm going to put GEOS on [23:53] I'll be busy tomorrow so I'll stop by sometime. [23:53] not exactly sure at the moment. [23:53] Wildstar: Best be thrus-sun. As that is when I am at the shop. [23:53] That seems to be a popular misconception about Wheels. You DO need RAM expansion of some kind, though [23:53] ok [23:53] Alan, Nick asked Maurice to help do Wheels for 64HDD, but Maurice didn't answer back. [23:53] darn [23:54] schema: d'oh, i just thought, the geos driver may not be compatible with the beta idedos [23:54] Alan: Thought that it needed 4megs for Wheels? [23:54] RobertB, yeah, that's what Nick told me too. [23:54] schema, how are you going to put geos on a cf card? [23:54] MikeP: No, it's a totally different filesystem [23:54] LR, Nope. I'm using a 1750 [23:54] Hiraghm: umm, not sure. I hope that page has some ideas [23:54] I might use the 64HDD version of GEOS as a base [23:54] I'll refrain from using the BBS until this phone line issue is solved. [23:55] Alan: Haven't read the dox for a while. Just put it on my SCPU with 16 megs [23:55] GEOS runs fabulously on 64hdd [23:55] I know :-) [23:55] Don't want to screw up the BBS any more than necassary. [23:55] alan: was it easy to install? [23:55] I found it a pain having multiple D64s though [23:55] MikeP, was what easy to install? [23:55] Wildstar: That sounds best. But if yyou are hearring it then it should be reported. [23:55] alan: geos into a 64hdd drive? [23:56] Wildstar: All it is doing is some funny stuff in the log when you lose carrier. [23:56] Schema, you can use the shortcuts to other D64s. Works great. [23:56] MikeP, I didn't have any trouble. [23:56] Sorry to jump ina out again. Time frame problems. See all of you next week. [23:56] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-138-217-223-7.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:56] Alan: I have no keyboard or monitor on my 64HDD box [23:56] Robert: Is the 1581 program you mentioned for sale? [23:57] Schema, I mean shortcuts from GEOS. I think he calls the file Shortcut+ or something. [23:57] 1581 Toolkit or 1581 Utilities? [23:57] Schema, just put the path to the D64 in the info section of the Shortcut+ file. [23:58] OK, this shortcut+ is something new to me [23:58] * destine (~trillian@66.52.194.187) has joined #c64friends [23:58] Hi, Jeremy. [23:58] destine [23:58] Hey robert, hiraghm [23:58] schema: how do you make mods to your 64hdd box with no keyb or monitor? [23:58] Hello Jeremy [23:58] Didn't think anyone would be up this late [23:59] Hi W* [23:59] MikeP: I set it up once and leave it [23:59] you just missed LR [23:59] Schema, maybe it's unique to the Pro version, I don't know. You should see an icon called Shortcut+ in the geos.d64 file that comes with 64hdd [23:59] Lately though I just use 64HDD to map through to a shared folder on my Win2K box [23:59] schema: do you have your computers networked at home? [23:59] There's no actual content on teh 64HDD box itself [00:00] Once you get 64hdd set up well, you don't really NEED a keyboard or monitor. Still comes in handy sometimes. [00:00] brb. [00:00] MikeP: Way too many computers here. Plus my wife has her own laptop for work. About 10 computers in the house, all connected [00:00] * Alan is now known as Alan_BRB [00:01] I have enough problems trying to find outlets. [00:01] 10 computers? Hah, that's nothing! ;-) [00:01] Okay, I'm scared now :) [00:01] well folks, I'm going to call it a nite [00:01] What are you thinking about Robert? [00:01] Nite Snog [00:01] Bye, Snog. [00:01] Goodnight, Snog, see you next week [00:01] I'll catch those of you planning on going to the Expo next week [00:01] schema: cool.. what i did was installed win98se on my 64hdd box and set it so it boots to dos (bypassing win) and autoexec runs 64hdd. If i ever want to make any mods to the system I just turn on the 64 and issue an OPEN 15,9,15,"msd:win" [00:01] niters Snog [00:02] Not sure if I will be online next week tho [00:02] that shells out 64hdd, runs windows, and then the 64hdd box is on my network [00:02] Bruce... me? Thinking? [00:02] night snogpitch [00:02] MikeP: I've heard of that trick. Neat idea.m It's easy to network DOS though [00:02] niters all [00:02] night snog [00:02] op me before you go :) [00:02] Did you count the computers in my house when you were here? [00:02] See ya Snog! [00:02] I won't be around next weekend. [00:02] schema: to network dos dont you need special network card drivers? End of #c64friends buffer Sun Aug 29 00:03:01 2004