[21:00] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:00] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C-64!!' [21:00] * Set by ChanServ on Sat Aug 21 02:58:29 [21:00] Only 2am here G, but i'm more worried about waking our kids up than anything... [21:00] -ChanServ- Visit our webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/c64friends [21:00] OFFICIAL CHAT BEGINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Self Destruct Terminated !!!! [21:00] Howdy all [21:00] TMR{C0S}: i'm sure your kids dont mind :=P [21:00] G: probably not, but i'd rather they were asleep! =-) [21:01] Self Destruct? Wildstar was going to self destruct? [21:01] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.177.61.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:01] JL [21:01] snoggy [21:01] Jim.. [21:01] Howdy JLawless [21:01] Well, just had to play with the words [21:01] Hello, Hiraghm. Oldbitcol. Snogpitch. All... [21:01] Just out of interest, does "snog" mean the same thing over there as it does here...? [21:02] Just before you logged on TMR{C0S} assumes Wildstar will self destruct in 60 seconds...?! [21:02] Snog isn't really used in USA slang [21:03] * TMR{C0S} grins one of those eeeevil grins. =-) [21:03] So for fun - I played with the words. [21:03] how come you are not op? [21:03] I can fix that ya know [21:04] I would hope so... [21:04] I wanna be op! [21:04] * Hiraghm nudges snog [21:04] * antigen (na@216-203-251-34-phx-01.cvx.algx.net) has joined #c64friends [21:04] lo antigen [21:04] Howdy antigen [21:04] Hiraghm wants it too much [21:04] hey, snog, actually you can help me... how can I keep my channel from auto-opping people when I'm not there? [21:04] hello Hiraghm, Snogpitch [21:04] * TMR{C0S} examines the "coffee" he's drinking - who nicked the caffeine?! [21:05] I DID!!! [21:05] * jmkurtz (~jerrykurt@del224192.columbus.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:05] Howdy jmkurtz [21:05] Hello all! [21:05] * TMR{C0S} has a sniff... bugger, the kids have been mixing the decaf up with the real stuff again. =-( [21:05] Hiya [21:05] Hiraghm, is your channel here on this server? [21:05] Ok..... [21:06] yes snog [21:06] #americanconservative [21:06] http://www.smash-designs.de/pix/turrican_small_01.jpg <-- wooohooo!!! =-) [21:06] Did you register it with services? [21:06] lo jm [21:06] yes, I registered the channel [21:06] are you the founder? [21:06] yes [21:06] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6c-223.miamfl.adelphia.net) has left #c64friends [21:06] NICE- [21:06] but when I'm not there, other folks can make themselves op [21:07] * [LCH^BCI] is now known as LocalH [21:07] Is that the number of disks needed to play Turrican [21:07] right, if you feel that only you have to have ops, you can force channelserve to only op those on your autoop list [21:07] Nope, that's advance duplication for the launch on the 28th - they're ready to release. [21:07] Nice - what's the price [21:08] crap! someone lost my 7400 NAND gate.... Gonna be a slow project tonight.. [21:08] From what i gather, they're giving the disks away. [21:08] How do I get a copy, [21:08] how does I do that snoggy? [21:08] If there's a charge, it's just for the media - AEG has said the game'll be free and released on the Smash site at the time it gets launched at Evoke. [21:09] Wildstar: get to Evoke. [21:09] How many folks are on your autoop list? [21:09] TMR - new C64 game? [21:09] turrican is an old game [21:09] they're reprinting it? [21:09] Where's that Evoke ???? [21:09] snog, 2 I think. how can I check? [21:09] I be willing to pay disk cost plus postage. [21:09] Germany, same as SDS. [21:10] * Alan (~drummer_1@user-33qt878.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:10] * antigen (na@216-203-251-34-phx-01.cvx.algx.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:10] Alan [21:10] Hi [21:10] Hi Alan [21:10] SECUREOPS Stricter control of chanop status [21:10] Syntax: /msg Chanserv SET #[channel] SECUREOPS {ON or OFF} [21:10] Enables or disables the secure ops option for a channel. When secure-ops is set, users who are not on the userlist will not be allowed chanop status. [21:10] I'm about say - 4 miles from the Pacific Ocen [21:10] Or was that 6 or was that 8 miles [21:11] Could be 10 miles. [21:11] That means that I am in the USA. [21:12] I should have taken the airplane of Jens ???? [21:12] most channel maintenance help is located at this webpage: http://www.newnet.net/services2 .php [21:12] Wildstar: i think you'll have to wait for the crack to run it NTSC anyway, either that or grab the web release and use an emu. [21:12] I got emulator [21:12] Webrelease is where [21:13] Smash Designs site, same day and time as the party release - 03:03 on the 28th. [21:13] Howdy Alan [21:13] That said, the server might struggle a bit, they've been promoting this for a week or two now. =-) [21:13] kind of a late greet...was preoccupied with a question [21:13] * antigen (na@user-38lc4l4.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:14] Snog, better late than never. Thanks [21:14] Howdy antigen [21:14] re [21:14] reanti [21:14] brb thanks snog. [21:14] you don't have to be in the channel to send msg's Hiraghm [21:14] gotta run for solder.. i'll be back.. [21:15] * Oldbitcol is now known as old_brb [21:15] * Hiraghm (~hiraghm@xtimports.com) Quit (Killed (irc.aohell.org (Too many invalid passwords))) [21:15] So, has anyone broken out Summer Games (1 & 2) since the Olymics are going on? [21:16] Guess Hiraghm goofed? [21:16] * TMR{C0S} has been trying to avoid the olympics... [21:16] * Hiraghm (~hiraghm@xtimports.com) has joined #c64friends [21:16] Summer Games? not here [21:16] Howdy Hiraghm [21:16] jmkurtz, great idea! I'll have to fire up a round or two of Summer Games [21:16] snog, I know, but I have to go afk a min :) [21:16] * TMR{C0S} doesn't actually have an ori of any of the Games series thinking about it... [21:16] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:16] schema [21:17] hi all [21:17] * MikeP (~spamme@191.cust12.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:17] I was SO impressed the first time I saw Summer Games -- the animation was so smooth. [21:17] My 64 will be joining shortly [21:17] Hi Schema [21:17] where's brain? [21:17] lo MikeP [21:17] * Schema64 (~Leif@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:17] Howdy MikeP [21:17] hi hiraghm [21:17] Lessee: Spaceships? No. Lasers? No. Big f*ck-off nasties? No. Sorry, nothing in the Games series for me. =-) [21:17] hi snog [21:18] Howdy Schema and Schema64 [21:18] TMR :) [21:18] gotta go out for just a sec..BRB [21:18] WB Schema [21:19] I am here on my 64! (via Linux) [21:19] * TMR{C0S} has a new want for his list to add to Pinball Dreams, T3 and Grubz; want B.O.M.B. [21:19] * Hiraghm claps happily for Schema [21:19] Any news on BOMB being released? [21:19] But I have a win2k laptop too [21:19] what's bomb? [21:19] Great to hear Schema [21:20] A C64 Game that Wasn't.. I'll try to find a link... [21:20] I WANT MY RR+RR-NET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:20] Scrolling SEU, based on Scramble. Was being developed by Chris and Tony West back in the early 1990s and has been sitting on disks since. Looks seriously kick-arse by the screes at cs.c64.org [21:20] wasn't a game? [21:20] I want my IDE64!!!! [21:20] or wasn't for the 64? [21:20] Yea, TMR -- that's it. [21:20] I want my [21:20] Was for the C64, was a game, wasn't finished. =-) [21:20] oh [21:21] jmkurtz: no news yet, Chris and Tony are rooting through disks finding bits and pieces - i think there are three or four levels so far. [21:21] * TMR{C0S} is pleased about Tyger Tyger seeing the light of day - Gravy sent me the source *ages* ago! [21:21] wild*: what do you plan on using it for? [21:22] Oh, ok. I saw your comments a few moments ago and got kind of exited there for a second... [21:22] lol, a sec? [21:22] sounds like major excitement :) [21:22] * brain (~brain@12-217-179-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends [21:22] Howdy brain [21:22] TMR{C0S}: btw next time you got something that used the PDS... i might be able to come up with the software (thomas koncina/dxs has a PDS actually) [21:22] hi Brain [21:22] From what i gather, B.O.M.B. will be going out through Cronosoft. [21:22] THE BRAIN IS HERE [21:22] Hi brain [21:22] hi *me* [21:22] G: not a problem now, Chris West managed to port his own source in about a day. =-) [21:22] Well, I plan to network my C= and eventually a C-One [21:22] * antigen (na@user-38lc4l4.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit (Write error: Broken pipe) [21:23] Hey brain! [21:23] TMR{C0S}: well just incase ... :=) [21:23] WildStar: I think Contiki is the only app that supports the RR-Net with its Web brower [21:23] * Caricon (~Caricon@user254.paulding.oh.dtnspeed.net) has joined #c64friends [21:23] jmkurtz - what's the price [21:23] Leif! [21:23] Howdy Caricon [21:23] caricon [21:23] BRAIN [21:23] brainbrainbrain [21:23] G: wouldn't mind some notes about the source formats if y'can bug him for it...? [21:23] gotsa question for the brain [21:23] brainbrainbrain [21:23] Hi [21:24] shoot (not literally) [21:24] brain, how difficult would it be to create a PCCard-based REU? [21:24] doesn't have to support cardbus [21:24] not tough. PC card spec has DMA [21:24] brain, I think this would be a great expansion possibility [21:25] if you could use a PC card memory card, even 10 meg... it would be huge, fast storage [21:25] What, a PC card interface for a 64? [21:25] that could also connect to PC [21:25] TMR{C0S}: i'll mail him and ask for the software....dunno if he knows a lot about the format it used [21:25] brain, yeah, via the cartridge port [21:25] You'd need a PC interface expansion port card for the 64 [21:25] G: that'd be cool, ta very much. =-) [21:25] Isn't that what IDE64 does, in a way? [21:25] brain, a what [21:25] ? [21:25] IDE64 uses polled mode [21:25] ide64 uses compact flash [21:26] * Hiraghm frowns [21:26] Except it's file system can't be read by PCs [21:26] A card that plug into the exp port that emulates the PC card IO [21:26] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.177.61.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [21:26] * Hiraghm wants a large, cheap, fast, non-volatile storage medium for the C64. [21:27] 64HDD? [21:27] ya, it would be nice if the compact flash could be read on other platforms :( [21:27] emphasis on cheap and fast [21:27] My 64HDD system cost $10 Canadian [21:27] schema, doesn't that require a PC? [21:27] Yes - I bought a PC on eBay for $10 for it [21:27] how does it connect? what port? [21:27] It only needs a 486 [21:28] serial port [21:28] that's a problem [21:28] Use an X1541 cable [21:28] serial port will already be busy. [21:28] Huh? [21:28] serial port will already be busy. [21:28] With what? [21:28] Actually, serial port on the 64 and parallel on the PC [21:28] with traffic [21:28] Just add it to the chain [21:28] Yeah, my serial chain here has... [21:29] brain, we have 64k of ram TOTAL for C.O.G.S. [21:29] C64->MPS801->1541->1571->64HDD [21:29] Well, MikeP - I am pretty much looking at the RR+RR-NET for use and new software using it. [21:29] I'm going to need a fast way to swap in/out data [21:29] /nick Oldbitcol [21:29] * old_brb is now known as oldbitcol [21:29] faster than 1541 [21:29] wild*: are you going to write this new software, because no-one else seems to be! [21:29] preferably [21:29] Hiraghm, won't make a difference. If serial port is busy with traffic, means 64 is busy as well, so can;t write to another card [21:29] good point [21:29] * MikeP would love to see an FTP client for the RR-NET [21:30] but I thought he meant serial port on the PC when I said that [21:30] Schema meant serial port of 64 to parallel port of pc [21:30] 64HDD runs on DOS, you can't have anything else running. [21:30] does RR-NET work with Novaterm? [21:30] no [21:30] Sure - I'll work with writing software that make use of RR-Net. [21:30] schema, that's a major drawback [21:31] Hiraghm, hold on for my interface project [21:31] * Hiraghm holds on [21:31] 64HDD "free" is about the same as a 1541 speed-wise [21:31] If Novaterm would work with RR, that would be a nice plus [21:31] It'll allow you to run XP or Linux [21:31] 64HDD "Pro" is supposed to be much faster [21:31] snog: No, no support for RR-Net in novterm .. [21:31] but again, brain, if it has to swap in from an REU or PC Card, the pause from communicating with the game will be a lot less than if it has to load from a 1541 [21:31] Novaterm would be an ideal candidate, with the way it uses drivers [21:31] At least it be part of learning it so I can make use of it in say Games. [21:31] I've been pretty impressed with the speed of 64hdd pro [21:31] So an FTP client be great. [21:31] how the hell would a network interface like rr-net work with a terminal app like novaterm? *shrug* [21:32] brain, did you get my email, btw? [21:32] Then you could set Novaterm for BBS mode, and use your C64 as an FTP server of sorts [21:32] atdt to telnet? [21:32] hiya groepaz [21:32] Hir, true, but serial port support would appeal to more people [21:32] wildstar: an FTP clieant would be fantastic, make exchanging data between my pc and the c64 soooooooooo easy [21:32] Yes, I got the email, thanks. Been away from home this week in Minn, and just got back from canoe trip [21:32] Well - Internet groepaz, internet but you would have to emulate Hayes. [21:32] brain, whyzat? [21:32] MikeP, ftp client shouldn't be too difficult to port to C64 [21:32] Interface I am building ~$50.00 [21:33] Wildstar: hayes over ethernet eh? LOL [21:33] INterface you are talking about > $50.00 [21:33] There is an FTP client for Wings [21:33] brain, oh. [21:33] Hehehe [21:33] schema, wings requires SCPU [21:33] The IDE64 guys were looking at porting it for ETH64, on a tock 64 [21:33] *stock [21:33] hey, brain, what does tcpser connect to on the c64? [21:34] * MikeP if someone wrote a suite of programs like telnet, ftp client and ftp server he would happily donate a few $$$$ [21:34] either user port (2400/9600 bps), or Swiftlink/T232 (exp port) [21:34] * TMR{C0S} points out that the best way to get software you want for the C64 is to learn a bit of 6510... [21:34] Or 65816, depending on your preference. =-) [21:34] hiraghm: i am no programmer, if i was i would have done it when i got the rr-net :) [21:34] Schema: that would require porting half of wings though...not exactly trivial [21:35] for the TCP/IP stack? [21:35] well the tcp/ip stack is a significant portion of wings :=P [21:35] ah, I see [21:36] it would be much easier to write a ftp client for contiki [21:36] brain, so it's not serial [21:36] can the user port handle 9600? [21:36] on the 128 it can [21:36] oh [21:37] tcpser emulates a modem... It makes a PC look like a modem on the 64 [21:37] So, it uses standard modem interfaces for the 64 [21:37] groepaz: i would rather see utilities that work without Contiki.. i prefer no gui :) [21:37] nonono not for contiki [21:37] brain, any reason why tcpser couldn't communicate via the pc parallel port? [21:37] Apps have to be too stripped down to fit in Contiki [21:37] (maybe could use standard printer port ) [21:37] MikeP: just compile it without the gui then :=P [21:38] I'd be happy to see a standalone ftp/telnet app for rr-net [21:38] make make a Contiki shell that accepts cli [21:38] schema: agreed, no contiki.. besides the gui I hate the fact you cant use multiple drives if you have them [21:38] Snogpitch: that exists [21:39] Yes, if I used the pc parallel port, I'd have to write all the serial routines for each OS [21:39] However, you can haev more than 1 serial port in a PC [21:39] Contiki has a shell [21:39] mostly I want parallel routines :D [21:40] connect two pc serial ports to the C64 user port?? [21:40] Write them, then :-) [21:40] is that what you're saying? [21:40] One is all you need for tcpser... 1 PC serial port to 1 64 [21:40] Hiragm: The IDE64 guys sell a double-rs232 adaptor for the 64, I think...? [21:40] 2400bps.. 300 bytes per second. [21:41] geezus that suxors [21:41] say 12 frames a second [21:41] * Alan (~drummer_1@user-33qt878.dialup.mindspring.com) Quit [21:41] schema: yes they do, it connects to the IDE64.. it has a driver for Novaterm too [21:41] Hey, I'm on with my 64 at 2400 bps [21:41] that's... 25 bytes per frame? [21:41] * Hiraghm shudders [21:42] tcpser supports T232 at 230400bps, 23400 Byes/sec [21:42] yeah but I don't have a T232 [21:42] and I would guess most people don't [21:42] You can make one easy enough [21:42] I've got a swiftlink [21:42] ~10-20 dollars US [21:42] 23.4k per second... 12 frames.. almost 2k per frame.. now that I could live with. [21:43] I really should make one sometime [21:43] Easy to make. [21:43] I don't have a soldering iron anymore; I'm not a hardware type :( [21:43] evening work [21:43] the kicker is "most people don't", though [21:43] Well, if there starts to become enough interest, I might create a board for one and make them up [21:43] hiraghm: RS232 interfaces come up on ebay every so often [21:43] wish jeri would show [21:43] * David (Miranda@ip-210-56-40-46.morenet.net.nz) has joined #c64friends [21:43] Howdy David [21:44] Mike, I have an RS232 interface. just not one of those fast buggers [21:44] David [21:44] hi to all [21:44] I have an idea for a newer T232 cart [21:44] no time to work on it now, tho [21:44] hiraghm: ok, yeah, the old ones max out at 2400 [21:44] besides, if T232 is sitting in cartridge port, where will REU sit? [21:44] brain: whats the idea [21:45] One that is SL/T232 compatible, but supports the nicer features of the PC 16550 serial IC [21:45] 256 byte FIFO [21:45] Would they work with cart expanders? [21:45] * TMR{C0S} blinks - what, there's other stuff goes in the cart port apart from an Action Replay? [Grins, runs like buggery! =-] [21:45] yep [21:45] brain: nice idea [21:45] my idea was an adaptor that included RAM [21:45] Hey TMR: Super Snapshot in mine :-) [21:45] This one would include RAM [21:46] * Hiraghm doesn't think people get the idea that C.O.G.S. is aimed at the widest audience practical. [21:46] My cart expander has a SS5, REU clone, couple of games (switched off) [21:46] And write to that instead of a disk based device [21:46] brain: it would have to emulate the 6551 though wouldnt it, isnt that what they use in the T232/SL [21:46] COGS=? [21:46] I'm kind of partial to my Cinemaware WarpSpeed... (for now anyways) [21:46] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-69-76-121-53.wi.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:46] hello all! [21:46] Howdy dracosilv [21:46] Schema: nah, AR every time - even CCS64 starts up with a virtual AR here! [21:46] yo [21:46] hi draco [21:46] i was able to get on! [21:46] HIRAGHM, COGS= [21:46] whay [21:46] brain, if you would read the section of my message board that you've joined... :) [21:46] what [21:46] OH! [21:46] Commodore Online Game System [21:47] TMR: I got a virtual SS5 running in VICE [21:47] Been out of town, plead for leniency [21:47] inadvertent acronym... I named the section, then noticed the acronym. [21:47] Hallo dracosilv [21:47] http://www.xtimports.com/phpbb2/index.php [21:47] hello snogpitch, brain, MikeP and Wildstar... [21:47] http://www.xtimports.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=10&sid=add16a1a375f6821460ac7cf972b9fa1 [21:47] lo draco. where ya been? [21:47] Well, if you are wanting cheap memory storage [21:48] my first thought when I saw COGS was from the Jetsons....Cogswell Cogs [21:48] Then, a cheap REU clone [21:48] seems right [21:48] fast and cheap. [21:48] snog, lol [21:48] i was west of poynette wisconsin doing something called Geocaching... [21:48] geocaching is fun [21:48] it's like a global treasure hunt... [21:48] Geocaching, awesome! [21:48] you know about it? [21:48] sure [21:48] I've visited most of the caches around Toronto [21:48] wow... [21:48] some actual geocachers... [21:49] Haven't made one of my own, though [21:49] well i go by 'draconis' [21:49] I'm simply "Leif" on the site [21:49] and i have 2 caches arount in the southeast corner of the state... [21:49] oh... i'll look you up. [21:50] brain: you were at the classic gaming expo werent ya? [21:50] No, not me. [21:50] this datarate limit [21:50] Was canoeing with my son [21:50] makes a strategy game more doable than an RPG [21:50] oh, ok [21:50] show of hands... who would prefer an online RPG to an online strategy game? [21:50] me [21:51] * TMR{C0S} wants other options...! [21:51] hmm... schema64? only 2 caches found? [21:51] I like canoeing [21:52] i've gotten 177 so far... [21:52] TMR, name some other options [21:52] limitation though is that it must have a persistent world. [21:52] Hiraghm, you ought to play Park Ranger the game :) [21:52] snoggy, whyzat? :) [21:53] You are a park ranger picking up litter, and riding in a raft [21:53] * antigen (na@user-38lc4l4.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:53] I think I remember that game. [21:53] Howdy again antigen [21:53] you have to pick up so many soda cans. [21:53] It was released by Activision [21:53] reanti [21:54] * Hiraghm pokes TMR [21:54] my c64 port is open in terminal mode 210.56.40.46 [21:54] Really? I haven't been to the site in ages, forget my stats. Haven't been out this year at all. [21:54] David: details? [21:55] hello Schema [21:55] * JavaUser (~Javauser@dialup-164.54.194.203.acc04-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:55] Isn't the game called "Park Patrol"? [21:55] Howdy JavaUser [21:55] hmm... wonder who javauser is... [21:55] Sorry, was finding a tool for a mate - other options? Anything with big guns and spaceships in please. [21:55] hello, that would be me! [21:55] Ya, it is Park Patrol [21:56] TMR, well the rpg could be set in space [21:56] with guns [21:56] so could a strategy game [21:56] Do i get to fly around shooting stuff and not thinking much? [21:56] lol [21:56] schema i mean you can talk to my c64 i will anser you back on it [21:56] you want Star Wars Galaxy? :) [21:56] play asteroids for that, TMR{C0S} [21:57] Actually, a good game is [21:57] brain: have you had a chance to do any work on your IEC/ATA project ?? [21:57] No, i'd rather play Armalyte, IO, Enforcer, Salamandber, Nemesis... [21:57] doh! A good game is "Avenger" -- the cartridge by Commodore. An excellent Space Invaders clone. [21:57] Star Wars Galaxy on the C64 :) [21:58] David... [21:58] David: I just telnetted to you :-) [21:58] MikeP, yes, I have. [21:58] * TMR{C0S} mutters - replace the name Nemesis with Gradius and Salamander with Life Force... [21:58]