[21:00] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:00] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C-64!!' [21:00] * Set by ChanServ on Sat Jul 17 02:56:38 [21:00] Right - Robin. [21:00] everyplace has internet access [21:00] snoggy pitchy [21:01] Howdy all [21:01] Perhaps - but this depends ON if the place allows for it but who knows. [21:01] * oldbaway is now known as oldbitcol [21:01] no phones? [21:01] what kind of place are you talking about? [21:01] Hi guys.. [21:02] hi old bit col [21:02] * rbernardo (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:02] robert [21:02] we are sans Jeri [21:02] Hi, JimW. [21:02] Yeah but even places with phones may be limited to local numbers and the sort and NOT knowing the number to the free ISPs in the area. [21:02] Hell Robert. [21:02] Howdy rbernardo [21:02] Yeah, I know. She is at Vintage Computer Festival East. [21:02] Tell us your story, [21:03] Purgatory, Wildstar?! ;-) [21:03] * Hiraghm mutters angrily [21:03] Hi, Snog. [21:03] rouse the rabble! gather the torches! [21:03] Hehehe [21:03] some isps do offer 1-800 numbers [21:03] Where is Frankenstein's monster? ;-) [21:03] uhm.. eastern Europe [21:04] can't be more specific [21:04] I'm tired of dying :( [21:04] oh, not sure about European isps [21:04] Dying... and being reborn? [21:05] Tired still, eh ???? [21:05] I think I need a new mommyboard. changing my battery didn't fix the problem apparently [21:05] rbernardo, are you still on the road? [21:05] No, I'm home in Visalia. But I'm taking off in a few days again. [21:05] TPUG is to join us tonight.. They are meeting at Leifs [21:05] nah, I can't scan the freighters fast enough for them to not escape and me not get blowed up, and the boss guy won't let me disable their engines [21:05] it's a pain in the bottom [21:05] I shouldn't tell them that you have a photo of me. :-) [21:06] Nice! TPUG. [21:06] Toronto? [21:06] It hasn't yet been developed, Wild. [21:06] I know. [21:06] Yes [21:06] somebody [21:06] I was given a little tease to everyone here. [21:07] No one wants to be teased. [21:07] teased? threatened? [21:07] * Snogpitch doesn't tease easily [21:07] about what? [21:07] hehe - yeah - but they will be anxious though. [21:07] Hi, Robin. [21:07] * oldbitcol is not sure about being teased by Wildstar [21:07] Robert :) [21:07] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.198.107.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:07] * Hiraghm doesn't tease his hair.. it's short-tempered [21:07] Could be worse, could be *my* picture... =-) [21:07] Howdy JLawless [21:07] Hi, JimL. [21:07] * Hiraghm waves near JLawless [21:07] Hey all. [21:07] * JLawless waves back. [21:08] Hey - you guys have yet to see a pic of the mysterious Wildstar* [21:08] Hi, Jason a.k.a. TMR. [21:08] * Alan (~areed65@user-33qt80k.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:08] Howdy Alan [21:08] Hi, Alan. [21:08] Hi everyone [21:08] * oldbitcol acknowedges Jim and Alan.. [21:08] * TMR_AFK waves - will be fully here in a bit. [21:08] Al an [21:08] Gee, I must be one of the few that wasn't curious about the pic [21:09] Just a group shot, Snog. [21:09] * Caricon (~Saraba@user254.paulding.oh.dtnspeed.net) has joined #c64friends [21:09] Hi, Caricon. [21:09] Caricon [21:09] Just got the new 128 cleaned up... Looks like brand new now. [21:09] Evening. [21:09] Howdy Caricon [21:09] Yes but I was there. Now - you all just have to guess. :-) [21:09] I'm tired. Had a long day. [21:09] ah, so it will be a process of elimination [21:09] Like where is Waldo. [21:09] Anyone interested in some positive CMDR-KEY news? [21:09] Yay! A clean C128. [21:09] Sure, Alan. [21:10] Got up early and went to Tradets World. Then went to our Amiga User Group Meeting, out to eat, and now home. [21:10] Traders World that is. [21:10] RB: keyboard was a mess! crumbs, hair, and crud.. took hours to clean up. [21:10] Maurice has been in touch with me several times very recently and says he's shipped my order today. [21:10] Should be pretty easy after you remove the first two. [21:10] Hmm, sounds like me. Got up early, travelled to our user group meeting, out to eat, and now home. [21:10] Maurice has also taken care of Joseph Fenn, who really had a beef with him. [21:10] Then you have two to go. [21:11] Yow! That was a big mess to clean on that keyboard. [21:11] On my travels today, I picked up 2 C128D's. [21:11] wow, lucky !! [21:11] Wildstar: news about C1? [21:11] Yes, Alan, I had heard of that rumor. [21:11] waow [21:12] Well - most news right now is with the CPC core and that Jeri is at VCF. [21:12] RB: Took everything apart, and cleaned each key, and backplate. Worth it. Works perfect. [21:12] However, Alan, how many more people does Maurice have to go on his list? That's the big question. [21:12] hmmm, wonder if I got anything in the mail today...haven't checked yet [21:13] Anyone have any new information about the C= joystick? [21:13] I had Ray Carlsen repair and clean my C128D keyboard. It cost me $20 for that. [21:13] oops missed the gong... :P [21:13] No info the C= joystick that I can divulge. [21:13] * TMR_AFK is now known as TMR{C0S} [21:13] RB: Took me 4 hours.. Ray should charge more. [21:13] Right, sort of here now. [21:13] I got my C128D's for $40 each. [21:13] Can't forget the SuperCPU part. ;-) [21:14] Sort of here is better than not being here. ;-) [21:14] Robert, that I don't know. I'm sure there are more. Although I hated to see it go that far, I think Joe's reporting him to MI authorities lit a fire under Maurice. [21:15] Alan, didn't you talk to Maurice at all when you saw him at the Louisville Expo? [21:15] Wish he'd release the specs to the SuperCPU.. or sell kits.. [21:15] or or or [21:15] * Hiraghm sighs [21:15] Jeri has the specs to the SCPU. [21:16] Robert, I did talk to him, I asked him if he brought my ROM with him and he just kind of hung his head and said no. [21:16] Didn't all but say he'd give 'em out to the VICE team if they wanted to emulate as well? [21:16] I'm going to go kill vasudans some more [21:16] I wasn't wanting to make a big stink about it right there at the expo. I thought that would be somewhat uncool. [21:16] And that was the end of the conversation, Alan? [21:16] Robert, yeah, I just let it go. [21:16] Hmmmm. [21:17] I thought the VICE team was not enthusiastic about SCPU emulation, TMR. [21:17] I didn't talk to Maurice much at the expo, probably less than 5 mintues total [21:17] * Questar (~chatzilla@h0006256a4433.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #c64friends [21:17] Howdy Questar [21:17] Hi, Questar. [21:18] Lo' All :) [21:18] No, they don't seem at all interested - from what i've heard, it's partly 'cos the core behind VICE is hardwired down to 1MHz. [21:18] Robert, I could tell he was embarassed about it. Like I said, what could I do? I wasn't going to make a big scene and ruin anyone's good time. [21:19] I'm surprised he doesn't farm out the EPROM duping. [21:19] Oh, you mean you two were not in a private discussion. [21:19] How about multiple instance where you have a software SuperCPU module operating at 20 MHz while the rest of VICE is operating at 1 MHz, [21:19] true, how hard could it be to copy roms? [21:19] Using two separate timing. [21:19] Robert, right. I spoke to him on the middle of the throng. [21:20] They're not interested. Since it's open source, anyone else can try adding it though. [21:20] Well, JimL, from what we've theorized, it could be because his contract with CMD only allows him to work on the stuff. [21:20] That makes sense. More sense than anything else I can think of [21:20] * jmkurtz (~jerrykurt@del224192.columbus.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:20] So, he doesn't own the stuff lock-stock-and-barrell? ( The rights to all the stuff, I mean... ) [21:21] Alan, after the show, you two should have gone out to the nearest Applebees for a few drinks and then talk. :}) [21:21] Howdy jmkurtz [21:21] :-) [21:21] Hello [21:21] Hi, JerryK. [21:21] Be back in a few, folks [21:21] * Alan (~areed65@user-33qt80k.dialup.mindspring.com) has left #c64friends [21:21] i thought he just had distribution rights, but i don't always pay full attention... =-) [21:21] or I guess he owns it like SCO own SYSVR4 from Novell [21:21] Ok, TMR. Have to be careful about making committments on the stuff like the SCPU emulation at this time. [21:22] Their priorities are elsewhere anyway - C128 emulation isn't particularly good yet 'cos of that 1MHz thing as well. [21:22] Alan, are you using your C= machine to get on-line this time? :-) [21:23] Alan is gone, rbernardo [21:23] Why not have timing switching in the future but not be too hardwired to a specific clock. [21:23] Oh, that's right. Not reading correctly... [21:23] lol :) [21:23] I'll look at the source code. [21:24] Because the core is hardwired for speed from what i understand, s'going to need a bit of a re-write. [21:24] oh, hi rbernardo... [21:24] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-69-76-120-223.wi.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:24] Maurice licenses the IP from CMD [21:24] Rewritting the variables to timing - hmm... Have to see. [21:24] Re-hi, JerryK. [21:24] Howdy dracosilv [21:24] I got sidetracked watching AMW [21:24] hello! [21:24] Hi, Draco. [21:24] what's ahw? [21:25] what's new? [21:25] America's Most Wanted [21:25] This and that. [21:25] oh amw...misread the letters... [21:25] New? It's a BASIC command? =-) [21:25] so, what's being discussed so far? [21:25] also a c++ function [21:26] hey brain! [21:26] he he he, I wrote a book on c++ [21:26] wakey wakey! [21:26] which one? [21:26] jim. [21:26] Sams Teach Yourself Visual C++ 6 Online in Web Time [21:26] draco! [21:26] c++ operator ... not function. [21:26] I never got past VC++ 5 [21:26] hey! didja get my mail? [21:26] it states that.... THE INTERFACE WORKS! [21:27] I prefer the new stuff... the IJW engine is cool! [21:27] yes.... Glad to hear. Now, when will we see you use it? [21:27] That's ok -- I haven't writting anything in C since (3-4 years ago) [21:27] JL, fine, I'm busy killing vasudans, I don't have time for differentiating between operators and functions atm [21:27] I know what to ask here. How many of you would attend a C= Expo set in Las Vegas next year. [21:27] ? [21:27] well i still have to get the computer set up with the hayes emu, but it's forseeable in the next week if everything goes well. [21:27] Vegas sounds awesome... [21:27] nope [21:27] not me [21:27] well if it's in vegas, probably not... [21:27] assuming Im still employed & employable afterwards.... :D [21:28] depends on when it's held [21:28] when is the expo? [21:28] O.K.. One from JerryK. [21:28] in milwaukee... that's another story tho... [21:28] jmkurtz: What book did you write? [21:28] One from RogerWilc. [21:28] I've never been to Vegas, so it would be nice to take the wife and make a vation of it. [21:28] how many of you would attend a C= expo set in Oklahoma City next year? [21:28] * Hiraghm ducks [21:28] me [21:28] JLawless: Sams Teach Yourself Visual C++ 6 Online in Web Time. [21:28] So far it may be late June or early July. [21:28] um... passe.. [21:28] draco: You didn't go to the Midwest Gaming Classic just outside Milwaukee? [21:28] Just saw it jmkurtz ;-) [21:29] what? [21:29] when was it? [21:29] musta missed the memo... [21:29] Pass on Oklahoma. Vegas sounds too cool! [21:29] Robert: I probably wouldn't go. Who would be organizing it. [21:29] JerryK, that is why Vegas is being looked into. Somethings for wives and children, too. [21:29] Ya, Vagas sounds cool [21:29] * Hiraghm cokes [21:29] * Hiraghm chokes too [21:30] vegas for WIVES and CHILDREN??? [21:30] Yea, if we could involved the family, or give them something else to do, the its easier to hook them on the idea. [21:30] http://www.midwestgamingclassic.com/ [21:30] Robin, I'm just asking... as ammunition to convince Al Jackson's C= group in Vegas. [21:30] * Hiraghm really needs a new society [21:30] ya, Vagas is like disney with hookers :) [21:30] Is it going to be just Commodore in Vegas or other platforms? [21:30] Uh, and what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas, right? [21:30] unless you try Orlando.. [21:30] No, you don't want that part of Vegas. ;-) [21:30] jmkurtz, no. [21:30] :) [21:30] Or do you?! [21:31] lol the hookers in vegas are illeagle... you have to out of town for that..... [21:31] * TMR{C0S} wonders what happened in Vegas? [21:31] Nah, I would like to keep it clean. [21:31] Just Commodore, Snog. [21:31] When we say just Commodore, does that mean Amiga too, or not? [21:31] there is a mountain like 2 hours away you can go skiiing on .. it nice out here [21:31] how bout Orlando, LA, or Dallas? [21:31] err *there [21:32] Vegas has a BAD perception concerning that... [21:32] True... hookers in Vegas are illegal but "escort services" are legal. [21:32] (disney world, disney land and Six flags) [21:32] YEah, any of those places would be fine. [21:32] Just Commodore, JerryK. [21:32] Been to LA, not impressed. [21:32] dallas is centrally located [21:32] that's OK. I collect both, but honestly like the C=64 the most! [21:32] I haven't been to LA in almost 30 years [21:32] Centrally locatated to Texas maybe... [21:33] Would the Commodore Houston User Group be interested in hosting an Expo? [21:33] * RajW (~darkone@68-184-83-64.cpe.ga.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [21:33] Snog -- you're not missing anything. [21:33] Hi, Raj. [21:33] Howdy RajW [21:33] Hoi m8s! [21:33] * TMR{C0S} is going to try getting to *an* event this year - but there's only the CGExpo and BIT Live and i can't make the former. [21:33] Isn't there something coming up in Chicago in a couple of months? [21:33] yes [21:33] jmkurtz, it's in the middle of the freaking country [21:33] SWRAP [21:34] At least you can get to BIT Live, TMR. [21:34] plus it's close to both Austin and San-Antonio, havens for video game developers and CGI artists. [21:34] Yes, the Chicago Expo is on Labor Day weekend. [21:34] Fingers crossed yeah... since it's in a converted church, i might wear me nun's habit. =-) [21:34] http://swrapexpo.org [21:34] where is that 'hayesemu' program? forgot the link... [21:34] JimW, those people will come to a C= Expo? [21:34] a lot of them might [21:34] * MikeP (~spamme@76.cust10.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:35] Hi, MikeP. [21:35] Howdy MikeP [21:35] Hi Robert [21:35] heya Snogpitch [21:35] Drac: you can get hayesemu from my site.. telbbs.com [21:35] Hiraghm -- yea, kind of central, but south. But you're right, its pretty centralized. [21:35] I keep wanting to write the OK chamber of commerce and get them to bid for upcoming IGDA conferences [21:35] jmkurtz, well, Kansas City might be more central, but it doesn't have a six flags.. hey.. wait.. St louis does! [21:36] Easy access to transportation is a must for any Expo, JerryK. That's why Vegas was thought of. Plenty of inexpensive flights there. [21:36] Just curious... has anyone ordered and *received* anything from CMDRKEY (Maurice) lately?? I want to order some JiffDOS chips but don't want to loose my money. [21:36] I was just in St. Loius not too long ago. On Route 66 there. That mall there that looks like a castle is awesome. [21:36] draco, log in with your C64 :D [21:37] yeah, Dallas has a medieval times, too. hm. [21:37] i don't have the computer setup yet... [21:37] hurry up! [21:37] :D [21:37] Last time I was in St. Louis was for the Amiga convention, which was the last one they had. [21:37] and that may take a while to get the irc working... don't know linux... [21:37] i mean i can't do it tonight... [21:37] RajW: I ordered the new CMD Utilities disk a few months ago and haven't received it yet [21:37] i might be able to do it next weekend... [21:37] Everytime I head of Midieval Times, I think Cable Guy... [21:37] last time I was in st louis.... was never... [21:37] Raj, Alan Reed was here a few minutes ago, and said that Joe Fenn is receiving his C= stuff and that he himself had his order shipped. [21:37] you ever notice that the 8bit stuff seems to have outlived the 32bit stuff/ [21:37] last time I was in St Louis was last year on my way to the "Ragtime Festival" in Missouri [21:37] MikeP... ok. thx [21:38] draco, I'm still trying to figure out how to get a ppp server working under linux :( [21:38] but how would i do irc w/o using linux and telnetting into it from the c64? [21:38] 32 bit stuff has no character [21:38] Of course I had JF his C128 in a week. :) [21:38] no personality [21:38] lol [21:38] mips has a lot lf character thank you [21:38] but mine's 64bit [21:38] Linux Bilkis.jbevren.net 2.6.6 #24 SMP Sat Jul 17 14:49:31 EDT 2004 mips64 R12000 V2.3 FPU V0.0 SGI Origin GNU/Linux [21:38] MikeP, the only difference in the new CMD Utilities disk is WCopy+. Do you have the older disk? [21:38] :P [21:38] What 32 bit stuff are you guys referring to? [21:38] jbevren, machines, not cpus [21:38] Amiga. [21:38] Robert: Thats excellent news! Maybe my SuperCPU and FD2000 will arrive then!!!! [21:39] Wasn't amiga 16bit? [21:39] nope [21:39] amiga's 32 [21:39] A1000 was 16/32 [21:39] the first systems only had a 16bit bus [21:39] the rest were full 32 [21:39] the 68000 is 32int [21:39] Robert: Yeah I had the old disk and wanted the new WCOPY+ but thats taken care of now thankyou [21:39] but the OS has always been 32 [21:39] yeah, like the 386sx [21:39] 500/1000/2000 were all 16/32 [21:39] I don't know how Maurice is working on his list of customers, MikeP. [21:39] I didn't realise Maurice was selling the upgraded C128 (64k vid ram) for $160... I need to raide my prices. LOL! [21:39] oh, yea -- momentary lapse in memory... [21:39] oldbitcol: is this the link to the emulator proggie: http://www.orrville.net/telbbs/tcpcom .zip ? [21:39] raise* [21:40] Like, they all had a 68000 in them. [21:40] !! [21:40] !! [21:40] hello all [21:40] * Hiraghm eats ice cream at RobinH [21:40] sdfsljkdflskdjf [21:40] RaYzor [21:40] dfbl;kshgl';khdf [21:40] 68020 for the 1200 & 68040 for the 4000 [21:40] Question: I'm looking to bulk order 5.25 disks from floppydisks.com, anyone have any dealins with them? [21:40] what the... ? [21:40] RaYzor: sldkfjslfd [21:40] * Hiraghm pokes RaYzor with Wildstar [21:40] robert: yeah he probably has a priority system, i dont mind, its nice to hear that Maurice is working on stuff though! [21:40] hi Rayzor [21:40] I have achieved XE1541 usefullness with old laptop [21:40] @_@ [21:40] Raj, I had Ray Carlsen repair a bunch of stuff for me... all with excellent results. [21:40] drac: tcpcom is an older program... You might want to try Leif's BBS server. [21:40] 68030 for the 3000 [21:40] whats up MikeP [21:40] ow.. that musta hurt wildstar. [21:41] Hi, Ray. [21:41] hey rbernardo [21:41] oh ok. [21:41] drac: Either should work for you. [21:41] lol forgot one generation... [21:41] i'll google for it. [21:41] Rayzor: ahhhh not alot :) [21:41] so can anybody here explain to me how to set up a ppp server under linux? [21:41] It's on my site [21:41] * rbernardo is now known as RobertB [21:41] rbernardo: Cool... glad I'm not the only person left doing repairs. :) [21:41] sorta hiraghm [21:41] btw... is there any programs that work on win 3.11 or dos? [21:41] Hiraghm: if you browse the archives at wings.webhop.org, [21:41] that do that hayes emu? [21:41] its covered in one of the irc logs [21:41] draco, lots of them [21:41] you doing chap or pap? [21:41] Timmy vs. Jimmy [21:41] this sia good one [21:41] jbevren, I'll look [21:41] Yeah, Ray repaired three C128D's, two SX-64's, and a C128D keyboard. [21:42] RajW: Thanks for the c.s.c reply about the Excelerator drives, now you mentioned it i seem to remember the topic of altered data lines, grrrr [21:42] so lots of programs do the hayes emulation in dos? [21:42] brb [21:42] I think I know where we have the timing issue in the C-128 mode. [21:42] MikeP: any time. :) [21:42] draco, that's not what you asked :) [21:42] c128.h file [21:42] roger, not sure which is which? [21:43] MikeP: Someone posted the lines that were crossed. [21:43] chap is more MS like for authentication.. [21:43] TMR - still here [21:43] hm. [21:43] or are you trying to blindly initaite a PPP session? [21:43] sorry... well next time i should put my question on one line... -_-U [21:43] why.. just open a serial connection... [21:43] Roger, trying to give my Amiga internet access via serial connection to my linux box :) [21:43] Just about, running on empty but still going... [21:43] oooh [21:44] RajW: Without being a mathamatician is there a way to recode a new dos rom to suit the Excelerator? [21:44] Yeah - the timing is based on a value that is defined. [21:44] Um, can you bring up 2 terminal emualtors and see what you are typing on either 1st? [21:44] MikeP: Yeah... a guy on the newsgroup wrote a quick C program to do the conversion. [21:44] not at the moment Roger... [21:44] Let's go with the NTSC line: [21:44] me? [21:44] At least one of them - [21:44] #define C128_NTSC_CYCLES_PER_SEC 1022730 [21:44] RajW: Ok, looks like some googling later on :) [21:45] minicom is a good one with linux your outgoin should be cua0 [21:45] are you talking to me rogerwilc? [21:45] * MikeHat (MikeHat@acty5038.dialup.dandy.net) has joined #c64friends [21:45] RajW: I dont mind ordering them from Maurice *but* I want to use these drives immeadiately [21:45] I'm back. [21:45] Hi, MikeH. [21:45] yeah... he posted a link to the source. I used it on a scrambeled cartridge I have. [21:45] WB, RobertB [21:45] Howdy MikeHat [21:45] * MikeHat (MikeHat@acty5038.dialup.dandy.net) Quit (Client Quit) [21:45] The key would be to be able to change the 1022730 to say 2x the clock rate or whatever. [21:45] oops... we lost em... [21:45] Roger, the linux box is dual boot with win98 (which I'm using atm) [21:46] and the amiga's not hooked up atm. wasn't planning on doing it tonight :) [21:46] Hiraghm, ok [21:46] MikeP: Agreed... I just got two of them. I like how small they are. [21:46] MikeHat, He doesn't say much but it was a powerful statement [21:46] Whatever is FAST clock is clocked at. [21:46] Hiraghm, are you using Miami for the ip stack? [21:46] RajW: Hehe, me too :) And they are IDEAL for a C64 Tower project which is what mine are for [21:46] * TMR{C0S} wouldn't know, isn't into actually coding emulators... =-) [21:47] MikeP: Ahh... yeah... very cool! [21:47] Ok - I think that is a key to something TMR{C0S}\ [21:47]