Start of #c64friends buffer: Sun Jul 11 00:02:59 2004 [21:00] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:00] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C-64!!' [21:00] * Set by ChanServ on Sat Jul 10 02:56:02 [21:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Snogpitch [21:00] -ChanServ- Visit our webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/c64friends [21:00] Howdy all [21:00] There is a button to click for download [21:00] hi Snogpitch [21:00] VICE will do. [21:00] hey there snogpitch [21:00] Hey Snog [21:00] hi snog [21:01] (Best to have a "joystick" or game pad. [21:01] Hir|afk: how high would that make it? [21:01] --- Playing: '2. [Rob Hubbard] Commando 1/3 (1985 Elite)' [21:01] KB sucks [21:01] i use an xbox controller-s on the pc [21:01] Wildstar : I use an Xbox pad for my PC. ITs my fav controller ever [21:01] altho SNES pad was pretty good [21:01] Ok - that should work. [21:01] I used a SEGA pad on a C64. [21:02] Xbox is all USB with odd connectors anyhow, just need the adapter [21:02] i used atari2600 joystick on c64 [21:02] too bad my new motherboard has no legacy ports [21:02] if they do the C64 DTV in some sort of kit form, that'd rule. forget this "xgamestation" - it seems as delayed as the C1 now... [21:02] I cannot use my XE1541 hehe [21:02] I will maybe hook my old laptop to it someday [21:02] "pre-orders coming soon" for 6 months now. [21:02] pre-order for what? [21:02] just re-read the C1 update, the early startup code that MV wrote is still used [21:03] they all start simple and add so many features the dates slip [21:03] so Jeri is free to work in the C64 core, woo-hoo, roll on C1 [21:03] sounds like Metal Dust...taking forever to be released [21:03] I have the Factory game and a backup. [21:03] I saw the C1 at Lucki [21:03] looked fine to me [21:03] something about a color lookup table wasnt on it tho [21:03] all iwant is a super c64 and the details needed to access the vic/sid etc. [21:03] It is one of my favorite game for Commodore. [21:03] factory game of what? Or do you mean a copy of the game called "The Factory"? [21:04] My C1 was on display at LUCKI too :) [21:04] Rayzor: wasnt JRISC the only thing holding up the development of the C64 core, and therefore the release of the C1 itself? [21:04] * Tinkz (~Weezel@dialup-201.177.220.203.acc01-frye-she.comindico.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:04] I even flew my aircraft without fuel for like 1.5 hours. [21:04] Hi Tinkz [21:04] MikeP : I kno of no specifics myself, just know what I saw hehe [21:04] hello. [21:04] I peak altitude first. [21:04] got your email about the chat. [21:04] Howdy Tinkz [21:04] thought i'd suss it out. [21:04] hello all [21:05] hi Tinkz [21:05] Hi T [21:05] whats happening? [21:05] i'm back! [21:05] we are chatting [21:05] its 11am EST here [21:05] hi dracosilv [21:05] and welcome snogpitch! [21:05] If you can get the aircraft down to like 10 feet off the ground or something - the missles will fly right over you. [21:05] hello to you RaYzor. [21:05] Rayzor: heh, ok. i think thats the way it went.. so if JRISC is no more and Jeri is free to work on the cycle exact C64 core, then hopefully the release date of the C1 just jumped back on the calendar [21:05] 11? it's 6 PST... [21:05] holy crap, a pci right angle adaptor is $160 [21:06] it's 9pm EST [21:06] * Hir|afk is now known as Hiraghm [21:06] are u getting into Amiga hardware? [21:06] smiler, not my fault [21:06] i haven't messed around with my 64 for years. [21:06] i should dig it back out [21:06] wow, those aren't cheap, smilertoo [21:06] The JRISC will eventually happen but for another purpose I guess. [21:06] smilertoo : url? [21:06] say... has mr brain gotten out of afkville yet? [21:06] * BryanPope (~bryan@h00095b0f80c3.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #c64friends [21:06] Giving us a 32 Bit RISC to play with on the 1K100 perhaps. [21:06] no [21:06] http://www.mycableshop.com/sku/PCIEX4-5-TL.htm [21:06] Howdy BryanPope [21:06] --- Playing: '3. [Rob Hubbard] International Karate 1/1 (1986 System 3)' [21:06] YO! :) [21:07] I asked for it. [21:07] Hey Bryan [21:07] Hi Bryan! [21:07] w*: yeah well i guess you dont put that much time to code up something like that and then just throw it away, i'm sure jeri will find another use for it some day [21:07] aw... waiting for him to come awake... [21:07] Hi Bryan [21:07] hello bryan. [21:08] smilertoo : try, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1484&item=5705426733&rd= 1&ssPageName=WD1V [21:08] no jrisc? [21:08] Why is my PC room the warmest room in the house? [21:08] Maybe not as the start up CPU but as part of a package where we can have the JRISC on the 1K100 as an optional CPU. [21:08] core. [21:08] thealien> u need 2 have that streamed out 2 us! ;) [21:08] whats the idea of the pciex? [21:08] Maybe improved to use the SD-RAM. [21:08] hiraghm: yeah, jrisc isnt needed anymore, read about it at www.c64upgra.de [21:09] hehe...find me a plugin for Winamp and sure thing :) [21:09] I would implement it in an OS project. I think Jeri has a cool 32 Bit RISC there with the JRISC. [21:09] i'm a bit lost here, all this stuff is for the c64 yah? [21:09] MikeP [21:10] She can focus on getting the C64 core done and continue work on the JRISC afterwards and provide it as an option for the future. [21:10] w*: thats nice but at the moment all I want to see is the C1 running a cycle exact C64 core, everything else can come later :) [21:10] the C-1, Tinkz [21:10] YES, MikeP [21:10] ok, whats the c-1? [21:10] what is jrisc (don't know the actual terminology) [21:10] Hiraghm? [21:10] i've been on the amiga for ages, all new stuff to me this. [21:10] That is the idea that I have in mind too. [21:10] MikeP> Isnt [21:10] JRISC (Jeri RISC) [21:10] Tinkz, follow Mike's link [21:10] oh. ~.~ [21:10] the C-1 is a reconfigurable computer [21:11] Don't be confused with another JRISC out there (Java RISC - I think) [21:11] that has super VIC and SID [21:11] MikeP> Isnt that pretty much already done? I saw the C1 running a demo with GFX and SID music at the LUCKI expo.. just need the colour lookup tables done (was in B&W) [21:11] so it's like a souped-up C64 [21:11] I simply suggested to Jeri not to abandon the JRISC totally. [21:11] interesting.... c64 still going strong. [21:11] (or can be) [21:12] It is easy enough to synthesize the JRISC onto the 1K100. [21:12] * Schema (~spam@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:12] so whats its purpose now? still games or programming? [21:12] Just something to do at some point. [21:12] howdy Schema [21:12] Schema [21:12] hey schema! welcome [21:12] Tinkz, whatever you want [21:12] Hi Schema [21:12] games AND programming i hope [21:12] hardware tinkering too [21:12] Hello, hello! [21:12] it'll have PCI slots, and a reprogrammable flash [21:12] ok cool. interesting. [21:12] Bryan: i'm not exactly sure where the development of the C64 core is at, however if she doesn't have to work on JRISC then that means whatever work is remaining will happen quicker, and thats got to be a good thing ! [21:12] whats it worth to buy? [21:12] someone who can better explain what the C-1 is, please do so? [21:12] $259 [21:13] * Hiraghm pokes MikeP [21:13] its ok, i've got the page up. [21:13] just curious thats all. [21:13] explain it in what way? [21:13] I suggest the C-1's purpose is to be used however you the buyer uses it. [21:13] hmmm.... [21:13] Why should it be govern by someone. [21:13] http://c64upgra.de/c-one/ [21:13] Wild*, so it's being designed as a brickhammer? [21:14] * _Fungus_ (realfungus@c-67-161-102-126.client.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:14] <_Fungus_> hallo [21:14] _Fungus_ NO! [21:14] hello fungus... [21:14] :) [21:14] Howdy _Fungus_ [21:14] <_Fungus_> oh shut up :) [21:14] hmm, rentacoder.com [21:14] Hi Fungus [21:14] (i invited him over) [21:14] Hehehe - seriously - it is upto you to decide how to use your own C-One. [21:14] <_Fungus_> Hi all [21:14] the popuplation is growing here.. ;) [21:14] <_Fungus_> thanks for reminding me [21:14] you're welcome. [21:14] population [21:14] <_Fungus_> I got to talk to LordRonin [21:14] Just like any other computer, how you use it is your choice [21:14] BryanPope : hello sir [21:14] <_Fungus_> anyone seen KilrPilr ? [21:14] If I bought the C-1 - I use it for my own purposes. [21:15] hiraghm: you want ME to explain what the C1 is? [21:15] so in c64 mode the C1 wont use the pci slots will it? [21:15] RaYzor> YO! Hello sir! :-D [21:15] Vodka or whiskey today? [21:15] <_Fungus_> Hi SNog, allz [21:15] Hi Fungus [21:15] Mike, or someone who's brain is firing on all cylinders tonight [21:15] hi fungus [21:15] <_Fungus_> MikeP [21:15] Hmmm [21:15] * Hiraghm is exceptionally tired today [21:15] RaYzor> Tequila.. ;) [21:15] Probably not but that is upto the mode you are using. [21:15] dammmmn [21:15] RaYzor> no wiat! RUM! [21:15] sdfl;jusdf [21:15] smiler, why wouldn't it? [21:15] <_Fungus_> ok, away kinda, doing nostalgia stuff, bug me if anything u need [21:15] Hiraghm, but what if you're running with a rotary engine? [21:15] wait [21:15] --- Playing: '4. [Rob Hubbard] The Master of Magic 1/3 (1985 MAD/Mastertronic)' [21:15] Mai Tai's [21:16] <_Fungus_> also check nostalgia.c64.org for super release of defender of the crown [21:16] <_Fungus_> :D [21:16] that would depend on the programmer, I would think [21:16] If you want 100% compatibility - you really can't do much beyond stock. [21:16] Snog, then I'm in a buttload of trouble, ain't I? [21:16] i shall return to this chat room later now i know its here. thanks for the help guys. bbs. [21:16] * Tinkz (~Weezel@dialup-201.177.220.203.acc01-frye-she.comindico.com.au) has left #c64friends [21:16] You have to decide. [21:16] Captain Morgan rum. [21:16] Hiraghm: i dont know thats why i ask [21:16] <<--- Old Oak.. Trinidad Rum... [21:16] It has a main design purpose for us to run the stuff that we like. [21:16] hiraghm: better they just go to that link I posted and read about it there :) [21:16] anyone got a big photo of the latest mobo? [21:16] Beyond that - it is up to YOU the user. [21:17] new pics at the top.. new pics at the top! [21:17] Mike, that'll work too [21:17] what is mobo? [21:17] burder king, have it your way [21:17] who's updating the C-1 website? [21:17] motherboard [21:17] motherboard [21:17] ah [21:17] I would use it to play the games, programming and possibly whatever comes to mind as time goes. [21:17] Hiraghm: too small to see much [21:17] Jens Schoenfeld [21:18] updates the website [21:18] I have no control on that. [21:18] hm. I should talk at him [21:18] smiler: CLick on the thumbnails for bigger pics. [21:18] * DJ (DJ@tl-c-221ac.adsl.wanadoo.nl) has joined #c64friends [21:18] lo DJ [21:18] hi dj [21:18] DJ! play us some musik.. ;) [21:18] Hi DJ [21:18] jo mike [21:18] Schema: i did but theyre still small [21:18] and everyone else [21:19] sid ? [21:19] http://home.t-online.de/home/indcomp/c1_prod/final_board.jpg [21:19] id like a big photo of picture 5 [21:19] THere's a big photo for all to enjoy [21:19] geezus.. popups [21:19] DJ> YA [21:19] * wald (~wald@x40344016.ip.e-nt.net) Quit (Quit: qqqqqqqqqqq) [21:19] yeah, I'm listening to sid right now [21:19] ?? they're 860x700 [21:19] who here doesn't like sid? [21:19] thats more like it, is this the current board? [21:19] Howdy DJ [21:19] sid who? [21:19] * DJ (DJ@tl-c-221ac.adsl.wanadoo.nl) Quit (Killed (i.love.2ch.at (Nick collision (new)))) [21:19] this room is chat-tastic [21:19] Got to LOVE it. [21:19] * Dirk (DJ@tl-c-221ac.adsl.wanadoo.nl) has joined #c64friends [21:20] lo dirk [21:20] dj [21:20] whichever [21:20] yes? [21:20] uh, sid chip, sid tunez....etc [21:20] <_Fungus_> gotta love irc [21:20] Snogpitch: is this the current board? [21:20] SID tunes and chip [21:20] <_Fungus_> sid + vic + c64 + weed + beer + irc + vodka = whoohooooo [21:20] www.sid64.com [21:20] listen to the tunes [21:20] Oh yeah. [21:20] It's the current minus the add-ons [21:20] holy crap fungus [21:20] _Fungus_ : correct! [21:21] I am getting the catweasel PCI I have decided [21:21] <_Fungus_> cool [21:21] I wish I knew where to get it tho heh [21:21] Snogpitch: 7X9 " ? [21:21] It's mini-ITX, or close [21:21] is the pic big enough for ya? [21:21] yes thanks [21:21] need full size atx [21:21] * gamemaste (~xy3951@plns-209-74-29-84-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) has joined #c64friends [21:21] * ChanServ sets mode: +o gamemaste [21:21] Like I always say - let the C-One be used however the users (that maybe yourself) wants to use it. [21:21] Howdy gamemaste [21:22] --- Playing: '5. [Rob Hubbard] Ninja 1/1 (1986 Entertainment USA)' [21:22] Hi all [21:22] i'll be making my own case [21:22] I hope someone writes a tracker for it - that would be nifty. [21:22] http://pages.prodigy.net/snogpitch/c-one/ here's a webpage with my C1 in a ATX case [21:22] What the C-1 is NOT design to be is a Windows Killer machine. [21:22] rayzor: catweasel is waste of money [21:23] why? [21:23] My motherboard has no legacy slots [21:23] so I can't hook up even my XE1541 [21:23] * Charles_H (chhouck@216.139.104.14) has joined #c64friends [21:23] yeah, the C1 will just happen to kill Windows without it being the intention hehe [21:23] Howdy Charles_H [21:23] You can replace Windows with the C1 if you want but that is your choice. [21:23] Hello Snog [21:23] * levay (levay@isis.visi.com) has joined #c64friends [21:23] brb [21:24] k [21:24] heh, Snogpitch has done it as well [21:24] * Hiraghm kicks Wild* in the shin just fo the hell of it [21:24] Howdy levay [21:24] The C-1 is a machine with the freedom to be used by the user however the user wants to. [21:24] has what done? [21:24] back again after dinner. [21:24] Is that the c1 slogan? [21:24] you have a photo, i click it and the popup photo is same size [21:24] Hehehe - /me kicks Hiraghm in the shin in return [21:24] Rayzor: every disk i read in with it displays a "sector" error. This is odd because the disks were all tested and worked fine on a regular 1541. The software when it comes up with this error has no "retry" option, only "abort" and "continue" [21:25] hmm [21:25] I wonder if thats a PCI prob [21:25] or a bum card [21:25] does the C1 need that fan? [21:25] but honestly u are the first I ever heard that even owned one [21:25] which photo you trying, smilertoo? [21:25] If you all like to use it as a slogan [21:25] * Sir_Paul (~Whatever@adsl-66-125-108-167.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) has joined #c64friends [21:25] Howdy Sir_Paul [21:25] hello [21:25] piz1.jpe [21:25] pix1.jpe [21:26] rayzor: it was suggested in the newsgroup that a specific drive be used, the TEAC FD-55, so I eventually found one and it still produces sector errors on all but a freshly formatted disk (formatted 5 mins before read in) [21:26] anyone here ever use "sector surgeon"? [21:26] wow [21:26] the one with the nicely lit case [21:26] right, that wasn't a pic I took, I grabed it off another website [21:26] it since has been pulled down :( [21:26] rayzor: its not a bum card, Rajw has the exact same problem and so do alot of others, I suggest you post a message in comp.sys.cbm asking for opinions [21:26] The others have larger images tho [21:27] MikeP : thanx for advice, I appreciate it [21:27] Snogpitch: does it need that fan, or is that more for the psu? [21:27] well try pix1.jpeg .... cause sometimes the filenames are .jpg or .jpeg [21:27] I've heard of catweasal problems are with the current revision of the card... mk3? [21:28] No fan is really needed, but if you have warm areas you keep your equipment in, it may be necessary [21:28] rayzor: and i've downloaded the last released drivers too. On the website was talk of software that would read THOUSANDS of disks, well, Arjuna has been released and it supports writing C64 disks only [21:28] --- Playing: '6. [Rob Hubbard] Skate or Die (intro) 1/1 (1987 Electronic Arts)' [21:28] Jeri said the video ram may get warm, and when that happens the video sparkles [21:28] Joe: Yeah i've got the Catweasel Mk3 [21:28] hmmm [21:28] * Hiraghm is now known as Hir|afk [21:28] I want it for SID and 64 disks .. another frined wants it for Amiga stuff [21:28] but if its this problematic, I will wait for a fix [21:29] ok,a thin top horizontal fan would cover it [21:29] Snogpitch> fireworks? [21:29] time for a cup of tea [21:29] unfortunately I haven't seen this happen yet :) [21:29] hey... if i have a program, how can i figure out how many cycles it takes to go thru each part of the program? cause these different addressing modes in my printout of the 'basic to machine language' book have many modes... Immediate, Zeropage, Absolute... [21:29] Rayzor: I think one of the most annoying things is a complete lack of support. It seems as though software and driver development stopped at the "yeah well it works OK if not reliably" stage [21:29] what do they mean? [21:29] sucks [21:30] Rayzor: the supplied software reads 1541 and Amiga disks. I dont know how reliably it reads Amiga disks tho, dont have any to try, i only wanted it to archive my 1541 disks [21:30] * Dirk (DJ@tl-c-221ac.adsl.wanadoo.nl) has left #c64friends [21:31] MikeP: most of my Amiga disks are long dead. 3.5" DD Disks have a pathetically short life. I would say 80% of my disks are dead [21:31] Does anyone have an answer of my question? [21:31] I haven't noticed any of my 3 1/2 disks to be dead, yet [21:31] There are timing charts out there for 6510 opcodes. [21:31] what question, dracosilv? [21:32] this one: [21:32] Snogpitch : I have literally a drawer full of disks that barely work or dont work in any AMiga I have tried [21:32] hey... if i have a program, how can i figure out how many cycles it takes to go thru each part of the program? cause these different addressing modes in my printout of the 'basic to machine language' book have many modes... Immediate, Zeropage, Absolute... [21:32] Rayzor: and the sid support is ok but you get heaps of bus noise when not using it (i'm told thats the fault of the SID not the card) so you'll need to mute it when not wanting to hear music from it [21:32] yeah, same here. most of my 3 1/2's seem still good...maybe you go El'Cheapo 3 1/2's R' US? [21:32] --- Playing: '7. [Rob Hubbard] Thrust 1/1 (1986 Firebird)' [21:32] RaYzor> O O! :-( That *REALLY* SUCKS! :( :( [21:32] MikeP : ok I dont want one anymore. I will get the XE1541 working on the old PII 300 laptop [21:32] heheh [21:33] * levay (levay@isis.visi.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:33] * Eddi-W (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has joined #c64friends [21:33] Howdy Eddi-W [21:33] draco: do you need to know how many cycles you're using when you're just beginning? [21:33] Rayzor: well, before you can the idea completely, ask for other opinions in comp.sys.cbm and get a balanced view [21:33] no idea, dracosilv [21:33] Like Fox News!! [21:33] heh [21:34] exactly [21:34] draco: or you're just curious? [21:34] well i would like to know if when i rewrite a section of code, if it will take longer, or a shorter amount of time. [21:34] mainly i would like to figure out what the different modes are: [21:34] * Sir_Paul (~Whatever@adsl-66-125-108-167.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) has left #c64friends [21:34] immediate, [21:34] zeropage [21:34] and absolute... [21:34] dracosilv: change the border colour at start of routine, and back to black at end [21:35] well it's a joystick routine... [21:35] so it loops... [21:35] * Loscha (~kobanogom@ben-56k-180.tpgi.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:35] Thre have been some timing articles in Transactor.. Some of which put your routine through a series of iterations (say 100) and compare ti at the beginnign and end... [21:35] An AUssie! [21:35] hello Aussie! [21:35] Hey [21:35] Howdy Loscha [21:35] draco: if you're not sure what the different modes are, I'd say you don't have to worry about timing yet :) [21:35] oh. never thought about that... [21:35] Rayzor: i'm an aussie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:35] that was the simplest method i found on the amiga [21:35] MikeP : o ok. hello other aussie! [21:35] yeah, Mike, how ya goin? [21:35] good point robinh. [21:35] I got it! [21:35] rayzor: hehe, thats ok :) [21:35] Loscha: good thanks, how about u ? [21:36] thats why the CW3 dont work for u MikeP ... PAL !! or SEACAM! Or something! [21:36] but immediate is like "lda #5", and it's generally the quickest. [21:36] just loop it a few hundred times and see which gives the smaller raster change [21:36] for those aussies Loscha == Edward r Jones, one of those guys fom the C64 expo in december, like, in Melbourne and stuff... lmao [21:36] * BryanPope (~bryan@h00095b0f80c3.ne.client2.attbi.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:36] I've only just crawled outta bed, so, I'm a bit vague [21:36] How do I completely get rid of a printer in GEOS 2.0? [21:36] been there before Loscha :) [21:36] so immediate is a command with actual values like #$ff or $dc00... [21:36] smilertoo: I'm pretty sure he's not doing raster irqs or $d012 timing or anything, so that won't help [21:37] right? [21:37] no, not $dc00 [21:37] Rayzor: yeah, damned PAL/NTSC, I think thats why I can't read any of the emails you guys send, because they're in the wrong format!! All the "S"'s come out as "Z"'s, the letter "U" goes missing from COLOUR and all sorts of stuff ;) [21:37] Schema, take the printer driver off your boot disk [21:37] oh. [21:37] ok robinh... [21:37] MikeP, you talk funny :) [21:37] $dc00 is absolute mode [21:37] so immediate is where the values are already there... [21:37] anything with a # is immediate [21:37] I did - and now I just see "Star NL-10 NOT ON DISK" all the time! It's also got that as the default printer. [21:38] lol [21:38] * Eddi-W (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has left #c64friends [21:38] Hiraghm: Not I that talk funny ! [21:38] and absolute mode is where the value is fetched from somewheres? [21:38] Snogpitch: are those 2 white things near the pci slots composite outs? [21:38] OH! [21:38] proof! [21:38] i remember hearing something about that somewheres... [21:38] those are sound out, smilertoo [21:38] no brain [21:38] no jeri [21:38] afk [21:38] ur already afk [21:38] hiraghm: your proof, is it where!? [21:38] what's afk? [21:39] away from keyboard [21:39] --- Playing: '8. [Rob Hubbard] Zoids 1/3 (1986 Martech)' [21:39] ok thanks [21:39] dang you beat me to it snogpitch... [21:39] Pretty sure that no matter what, you will have at least a printer icon. I dunno if you can have the icon w/o some printer setup [21:39] Maybe she's been working hard on the C64 core for the C1 now she doesnt have to work on JRISC??????? [21:39] gotta type faster than me, dracosilv :) [21:39] when I get going, it's 90wpm [21:40] well i had to delete a line, then retype the text... [21:40] I have two printer icons in GEOS - the Star NL10, and MPS803- the printer I want to use! :-) [21:40] but you beat me by then... [21:40] is there a tv/composite out or do you need a video card? [21:40] I wonder how Brains IEC / RS232 interface is going........ [21:40] so you want to change the printer, Schema? [21:40]