Start of #c64friends buffer: Sun Jul 04 00:03:36 2004 [21:00] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:00] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C-64!!' [21:00] * Set by ChanServ on Sat Jul 03 20:20:09 [21:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Snogpitch [21:00] -ChanServ- Visit our webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/c64friends [21:00] Hi Snogpitch [21:00] Howdy all [21:00] hi snogpitch [21:00] yeah, I live in OKCity, we've been getting more than our share of thunderstorms lately [21:00] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.210.216.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:00] Ya, I hear thunder in the distance here as well [21:00] * RCade (~rcade@pcp416471pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:01] Good evening, all. [21:01] I don't want the storm that is comming. I don't mind the rain and all, but not what I see. [21:01] not sure how long I'll be online tonight [21:01] Ok - for those who play MMORPG games - What kind of online games do you play. [21:01] hi jlaw [21:01] Howdy JLawless and RCade [21:01] Snogpitch: same here, I think I have about 30 minutes before it hits here. [21:01] hi rcade [21:02] I'm waiting for the local radar to pop up [21:02] looks like it's going to miss me [21:02] Local radar show it's 25 miles to the west of me [21:02] jimbo! [21:02] yea, your lucky down south there [21:02] it's definitely nasty looking outside tho [21:03] my window to the world is looking north [21:03] and most of the storm is that way [21:03] Hey, Jim. Getting any sleep with the new brainling in the house? [21:04] hey snog! [21:05] * rbernardo (rbernardo@shell1.iglou.com) has joined #c64friends [21:05] I'm excited about concert tommorrow :) [21:05] robert [21:05] Howdy rbernardo [21:05] hi robert [21:05] storm has been moving really slow. [21:05] jlaw [21:05] Second time is easer, jl [21:05] Rcade [21:05] What concert? [21:05] Hi everybody. [21:05] Joan Jett and the Blackhearts [21:05] Hiraghm: Howdy. [21:05] Brain: Heh. [21:05] * rbernardo is now known as RobertB [21:05] Sometimes she just lies here on my chest while I code [21:05] She like sthe "hun" of my workroom [21:05] Joan Jett will have a concert here in a few weeks. [21:06] Sleeping to sounds of C? [21:06] Think Van Halen was here Thrusday. [21:06] ? [21:06] Are you going RobertB? [21:07] * JLawless saw Rush in KC a couple weeks ago. Awesome concert. 30 year tour. [21:07] Have a busy tomorrow [21:07] Definitely [21:07] jl, yep [21:07] Opening tommorrow is Foghat [21:07] I have to goto work tomorrow. [21:07] Just waiting to see Jeri showing up. [21:07] me too [21:08] No, Snog... no Joan Jett concert for me... I'll be on the road. [21:08] I got the old fashion 4th of July [21:09] Yes - BIG explosives [21:09] - err I mean fireworks [21:09] bang! [21:09] fireworks we cancelled last year's 4th [21:09] * antigen (na@user-38lc49l.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #c64friends [21:09] aunti [21:09] How big is big, Wildstar? [21:09] Howdy antigen [21:09] Hi, antigen. [21:10] hello c64friends [21:10] Unfortunately, Minnesota banned anything that is really good [21:10] Well - with a family reputation in the Los Angeles area for rocking the whole city. [21:10] Hi, antigen [21:10] I was just noticing thea1ien4, how many are there, really? [21:11] hi antigen [21:11] BRB. Must get some aspirin. [21:11] Yeah - Nice using Oxygen Settling (sp?) [21:12] Oxygen? [21:12] what are some of the plans for the other USA chatters for tommorrow? [21:12] resting, going to work here. [21:13] I'm off until Tuesday [21:13] JeffB: Except driving 70. Other states nearby are just at 65 [21:13] Well, even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn :) [21:14] wow, looks like Ft Wayne is about to get hit by a storm... [21:14] Basically for making a big BOOM sound with just Oxygen and a settling. [21:14] Fill a good size punchine bag and a long fuse. [21:14] Oxy-Acetelene? [21:14] yep, which I'm only 30 minutes from Ft. Wayne. [21:14] Yes - I think that is it [21:14] spelling wise. [21:14] I'm back. [21:14] tomorrowacetylene? [21:15] Actually - Oxygen Acetylene [21:15] RobertB, are you on the road this weekend? [21:15] Yikes! Have some friends who did that: Stumpy, Peg Leg, Cyclops [21:15] ? [21:16] I start on Tuesday, Snog. [21:16] Basically - one event and the Police were wondering who lit a Hydrogen bomb. (Not exactly) [21:16] ah [21:16] on the road? [21:16] Ok - I didn't actually lit the sucker. [21:16] Yes, JimW. [21:16] Hey, I just realised, it's time for the meeting and I'm still up. Heh. [21:16] Hi all. :D [21:16] I start my C= Tour on Tuesday. [21:16] Hi, Ciaran [21:16] Hi, Ciaran. [21:17] meeting? [21:17] I'm new to this community. :D [21:17] welcome, Ciaran [21:17] Basically when lit - it is basically a precussionary bomb. [21:17] Snogpitch: This one. Saturdays, 9pm EST. You know. [21:17] yes we are all kosh [21:17] err, we are all gnu [21:17] * Hiraghm grins madly [21:17] Forgive the spelling. [21:17] Thanks. :D [21:17] Welcome, Ciaran. We're very relaxed around here. [21:17] Thank you. :) [21:18] * Hiraghm passes out and falls to the floor [21:18] very relaxed [21:18] I was about to say that. :D [21:18] Anyway - when you can rock an city with a real rumble - you know that is big. [21:18] hey guys [21:18] * KilrPilr (deadhorse3@S0106000c6e63dfde.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [21:18] kilr [21:19] If anybody's wondering, the reason I'm up is because I'm completing a SID tune composition. :D [21:19] hello all [21:19] Howdy KilrPilr [21:19] Wildstar, in my parents' hometown (southside Stockton), every Fourth of July there is massive automatic and semi-automatic gunfire, with lots of M-*** explosions. [21:19] whee Ciaran! [21:19] Hello, Kilr [21:19] Hi, Kilr. [21:19] Is anyone interested in taking over "development" of a very primitive Linux-based C= C/G BBS? (Petscii Playground) I haven't had a chance to touch it in 9 months.... [21:19] RobertB - it can be but lighten up because of Astoria. (Don't want to give 3/4th of the City a Heart Attack). [21:19] I mean town though [21:20] * BruceT (~chatzilla@S01060004e24fa9e1.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [21:20] Hi, Bruce. [21:20] Don't want to kill the population of Astoria. [21:20] Hi Robert [21:20] So it has been lighten up somewhat. [21:20] RCade, I don't know anything about Linux. [21:20] 4th of July notwithstanding, don't we have a general CBM topic...? [21:20] Howdy BruceT [21:20] The Commodore and Fourth of July! [21:20] cute... [21:21] which is? [21:21] BTW: When I was living in LA / that was a literal norm. Especially explosions. [21:21] Hi Snog [21:21] There was a fireworks demo for the C64. [21:21] It isn't really "Linux" but more stdio, really. inetd handles the I/O to the TCP sockets... [21:21] No - not strapping an M80 to a C64 [21:21] No way. [21:21] The "Fireworks Celebration Kit" ! :) [21:21] There was a fireworks creator prg for the C64 [21:21] Hmmm... an M80 to a Spectrum? ;-) [21:21] or was it fireworks construction kit? [21:22] Hmmmm... maybe - I was thinking a Windrone. [21:22] I had a friend email a greeting one year a long time ago [21:22] Hey, hey some of us have fond memories of our Sinclair doorstops [21:22] I thought it was Celebration Kit, but it's been a while.... [21:22] I don't remember a fireworks construction kit. Who wants to program it? [21:22] I still have that somewhere. [21:22] :-) [21:22] JimB: hows your iec/rs232 interface comming along? [21:23] Basically, you set up what design of explosions you want to see [21:23] well i just figured theres lots of other"constuction kit" progs out there so there must be a fireworks one [21:23] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [21:23] Just launch a Pheonix missle [21:23] Howdy CDKaiser [21:23] cd [21:23] hi cameron [21:23] Hmmm.... some piece of hardware that needs to be "blowed up good"?! ;-) [21:23] howdy [21:23] Hi, Cameron. [21:23] hiya, Robert [21:23] hi cameron [21:23] I have an old Atari Disk Drive that I can blow up. [21:23] Hey, it's not in GB64... [21:23] Windows ME system [21:23] Our minds are turning to destruction, Cameron. [21:24] CDK: Love your Secret Weapons site [21:24] MikeP, sorry, was coding... [21:24] thank you [21:24] How about a monitor? those are fun to destroy [21:24] I need to update it, though [21:24] can you still buy the fireworks like little tanks and boats that have lots of missiles? [21:24] Well, we're chasing down a timing bug, and Adrian and I have been working on JDos support [21:24] * CDKaiser dodges sixteen million electronic tomatos. [21:24] er, tomatoes [21:24] I kinda remember a boat with missiles and guns and even a little helicopter that would take off. [21:24] There is one of those year round fireworks stores only 10 miles from my house. [21:25] do they sell firecrackers? [21:25] I haven't seen those kind of "safe and sane" fireworks, Bruce. [21:25] It is "Fireworks Construction Kit". Activision by John Van Ryzen... [21:25] * Wildstar baffles CDKaiser with 18.4 Quintillion electronic tomatos [21:25] 'Ryzin' [21:25] A timing bug in what, JimB. [21:25] * KilrPilr is the champio! [21:25] ? [21:25] My IEC interface [21:25] Geez, It got me too. It is "CELEBRATION KIT"... [21:25] Well, this was over 20 years ago on a trip down south with some buddies. Needless to say we had a blast! Can't buy that kind of fun in Canada. [21:25] RCade... There was such a thing?! [21:25] And, finishing up my C=Key prj [21:25] Yep. [21:25] Adding VICE keympa support [21:25] brain: cool. i know this is a long shot, but with everything you've learned about the IEC bus do you think you'll ever build an IEC/ATA interface? [21:26] Hehe, phase 2 [21:26] Is CDKaiser alive ????? [21:26] I must have it then... the Fireworks Construction Kit! [21:26] im confused, was it construction or celebration? [21:26] Are links OK here? It is (was) commercial software. [21:26] It's celebration. [21:26] celebration [21:26] hmmm ok [21:26] cool [21:27] Links are fine, RCade... though I have to see them later (my single-tasking C= can only do so much). [21:27] * Wildstar plugs a lightning rod to CDKaiser [21:27] http://www.haddewig.de/nogames64/downloads/fun/Fireworks_Celebration_Kit.zip [21:28] **** LIGHTNING STRIKE ***** [21:28] ack [21:28] Lightning? Only if the monsoon weather is passing over Cameron down in San Bernardino County. [21:28] ZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP [21:28] it's mostly just humid [21:28] er, hot [21:28] humid it isn't [21:28] Thanks, RCade. [21:28] pretty humid here...first time it seems for this summer, too [21:29] Ok - That is a lightning arking from the midwest to him. [21:29] We had some rain over here the other night, Cameron. Hot and humid. [21:29] bleah ^^ [21:29] gees theres lots of mention of the fireworks construction kit on google too [21:29] * Jeri (~Jeri@4.27.140.171) has joined #c64friends [21:29] Howdy Jeri [21:29] Jeri [21:29] hi jeri [21:29] Kilr, is that for a PC or a Commodore? [21:29] howdy, Jeri [21:29] Hi, Jeri. [21:29] Hello Jeri [21:29] Howdy! [21:29] commodore of course [21:29] Commodore PC [21:29] We were talking about blowing up things! [21:29] no c64 [21:29] Boooooom! [21:30] :) [21:30] Booooooooom! [21:30] :) [21:30] speaking of the C1 [21:30] Looks a bit like an old Batman episode [21:30] how's it coming? [21:30] Attaching M80's to useless computer junk. [21:30] firecrackers are illegal in canada [21:30] hello all! [21:30] hello, Draco [21:30] I didn't know that. [21:30] i guess they werent a long time ago but of course someone had to go blow there finger off [21:30] they're legal here [21:30] I'm listening to it play sid's to me right now. [21:30] Hey - I would like to strap alot of body size Punching bags filled with Oxygen Acetylene to Jens [21:31] some submoron was setting off bottlerockets in the parking lot last year [21:31] Hi Jeri [21:31] and so the bleeding hearts lobbied the gov and they outlawed em [21:31] if he doesn't show up. [21:31] What about firecrackers used in Chinese celebrations, Kilr? [21:31] I remember M-80's blowing small craters in the ground when I was a kid (although we'd strap a couple to a couple of Bic lighters). Now, they hardly blow a coffee can off the ground... [21:31] Ah, the C-1 is serenading Jeri. [21:31] Hey - I be nice - I'll give him Kevlar. [21:31] what sids is it playing? [21:31] Awe... Wish I had some m80's [21:31] RCade: yeah inflation affects everything [21:32] well i do remember them letting them off in chinatown during the new year but I believe its still illegal [21:32] *ahem* "when I was a boy, we had to pack the explosives in the M80s ourselves, and we LIKED it!" [21:32] It's playing some of the Galway stuff. [21:32] well my dad is nagging up the yin-yang about 'you need to get off that computer' and yadda yadda yadda... [21:32] Jeri, all you have to do is visit an Indian reservation that sells that kind of stuff. [21:32] so i gotta get off, so seeya all! [21:32] bye, Draco [21:32] Bye, Draco. [21:32] draco, tell him you're talking to the guy that made an interface for you [21:32] speaking of which, there goes a firecracker now [21:32] Bye, dracosilv [21:32] yeah thats where i got mine a few years ago.some res in washington state [21:33] The ones in washington don't sell m80's anymore. I think it has to do with kids loosing fingers. [21:33] do did you get the mail brain? [21:33] In Indiana when I was there last, they had the stuff at Wal-mart... [21:33] niters dracosilv [21:33] unreal [21:33] yes [21:33] I got it. I'll mail it Tuesday [21:33] i wsih we didnt live in sucha commie society up here [21:33] seeya snogpitch... and thx jimbrain... [21:33] I need no stinkin' M80 [21:33] They only sell them in certain stores in South Carolina. Sort of like the regulations on liquor stores... [21:33] oh thanks... [21:33] cya ds [21:33] well bye! [21:33] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-24-167-238-63.wi.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Pleas visit my website at http://earth.prohosting.com/dsilver) [21:33] I'm hearing all kinds of fireworks outside [21:34] Some balloons and Oxygen Acetylene [21:34] And a fuse [21:34] I imagine once it gets dark, they'll start come out in droves here [21:34] coming out even [21:34] sheesh [21:34] It's dark here already [21:34] dont sweat it cameron [21:34] we know what you meant [21:34] Hmmm, I'm trying to think of an artsy photograph with fireworks/firecrackers all around a computer. [21:34] hang on a sec... [21:35] At midnight in Stockton, the air will be alive with bullets. [21:35] South Stockton, that is. [21:35] we had fireworks here the other night for canada day [21:35] Strap a couple of big bottle rockets on a C64. Call 'em a C64 accellerator [21:35] i missed them due to a bunch of prick cops [21:35] but Stockton always has an air full of bullets ;) [21:35] JeffB, good one! [21:36] :) [21:36] http://www.xtimports.com/graphics/gallery/Saluteflag_PRV.jpg [21:36] Well Jeri - how is the 16 Bit RGB layed out [21:36] Canada Day is July 1? [21:36] yeah [21:36] Apparently we get 20,000 people out of 120,000 out for our Canada Day fireworks show at the marina. Crazy - that's why I don't go :) [21:36] W* I like filling small cardboard boxes with acetylene.. Blows bits of confetti all over. [21:36] W* 5 - 6 -5 [21:36] * RCade (~rcade@pcp416471pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) Quit [21:37] I'm not in Stockton right now... just in quiet Visalia. [21:37] u have a canada day celeb int he us? [21:37] Visalia *is* a lot quieter ^^ [21:37] Confetti? Just like in a Shania Twain concert? [21:37] Basically rrrrrggggggbbbbb [21:37] almost wound up living there [21:37] W* Yes. [21:37] Cameron, have you been to Visalia before? [21:37] Where each letter equals a bit [21:37] yes [21:37] several times [21:38] when we were younger, Dad almost bought a practise there, so we nearly ended up in Visalia instead of San Diego [21:38] Ah, then you know where I live (though I don't quite know where you are in San Bernardino County). [21:38] Ok - Alright - so making a image file for the SuperVIC will be available soon. [21:38] Colton, ATM [21:38] Never heard of it, Cameron. [21:39] Jeri - Resolutions modes ???? [21:39] basically where the I-10 and I-215 meet [21:39] As of yet. [21:39] that general area [21:39] hey pepto bismo! [21:39] Ah, that busy area. [21:39] uh, yeah ^^ [21:39] At least the freeways are busy. [21:39] that too [21:39] BTW: I would be working out some PC converters and stuff, Jeri. [21:40] what PC converters? [21:40] Jeri: Why six bits for green? Makes the pallette asymetric [21:40] * Hiraghm wants the C1 to read/display Lightwave objects [21:40] I mean image converters for PC. [21:40] Jeff the eye is more sensitve to green. [21:40] exactly [21:40] she beat me to saying it [21:40] Green also is used to mix out more colors. [21:40] I don't know about that, Jeri. I'm slightly color-blind. :-) [21:41] me to robert [21:41] Are the pixels laid out linearly? [21:41] Something useful as tools for both an image and a video file. [21:41] trust an MD, then, to confirm it ^^ [21:41] Robert. I'll make you a special c1 with 65535 shades of gray. [21:41] lol [21:41] lol [21:41] awwww [21:41] Hey, Cameron... but you are not an optometrist. [21:41] you mean ophthalmologist ;) [21:42] Thanks, Jeri. [21:42] Jeff there are modes with linear addressing. [21:42] optometrists aren't MDs [21:42] Ah, I didn't know that. [21:43] hai, soo yo [21:43] O.K... I'm going to go into quiet mode here while I write up my list of things to bring up to the Pacific Northwest. [21:43] what are you doing in the Pacific Northwest? [21:43] Jeri ( Anyway - the tools would be for allowing me and I guess any graphician to be able to create images and stuff and possibly video which can be viewed on the PC and on the C1.) [21:43] RobertB Bring me a cd32. [21:44] C= travelling, Cameron! [21:44] aha [21:44] cd32? [21:44] Nah, Jeri... you get something else. [21:44] Cue the mysterious music! [21:44] * CDKaiser wonders what *that* could be. [21:44] lol [21:44] Will the C-One have the bus bandwidth to display video? [21:45] Jeff the bandwidth gets tight with 1280x1024. [21:45] bah. [21:45] The C-One will have the bandwidth if you choose the right resolution. [21:45] I think I'll be well below that with any video drivers I'll be writing ^^ [21:46] 1280 x 1024 is almost unreadable on a 9" monitor [21:46] Now the JRISC can be useful. [21:46] Woof! At my age standard VGA has too much detail :) [21:46] I gotta get the RISC core up and going soon. I only have a half functional version. [21:46] awful, Jeri, just awful ;) [21:46] as opposed to fully functional... [21:46] Most PC games run at a resolution of 640x480, 800x600 or 1024x768 [21:46] It gets tougher at 1280x1024. [21:46] CDKaiser.. Awful??? [21:47] Bruce, do you need anything from California? [21:47] Jeri: one more oar - have you looked at BGA devices? I know they can be a bear to mount, but the do offer some advantages [21:47] I need several things from California [21:47] JeffB, BGA? [21:47] Ball Grid Array [21:47] well, I like my Amiga so I'm going to go for a while. Am going to unplug while this storm gose thru. [21:47] Wild, I know people who play EQ at 1280 x 1024... oh wait.. I'm one of them :) [21:47] (Type of pin configuration. [21:47] Wildstar, oh yeah. [21:47] Like what, JimW? [21:48] BGA for what? [21:48] I like my Amigas too [21:48] later, Caricon [21:48] I've done BGA designs. [21:48] Yes, Caricon, be careful in storms. [21:48] bye, Caricon. [21:48] uhm... [21:48] Hot dry weather Robert. It has been a farily cool year so far. [21:48] Bye, Caricon. [21:48] I need to get all my power backups running myself [21:48] http://www.wane.com/global/category.asp?c=1628 [21:48] * Caricon (~Saraba@user254.paulding.oh.dtnspeed.net) Quit (Quit: Whats on this next channel??? ) [21:48] I do know people play at 1280x1024 in games but that also requires a considerably fast PC. [21:48] For the FPGAs. We are designing in some Cyclone devices at work and found that the logic density we needed was only available in BGAs [21:48] only the servers are on UPS at the moment [21:48] Say 800 MHZ+ [21:48] any number of starlets will do, Robert :) [21:49] Wildstar, yes it does, mostly for the 3D graphics, though [21:49] Not many systems operating at 133 MHz were runnin at that. [21:49] JeffB The ep1c6 is available in a 240 qfp. [21:49] Starlets? They are all down in the Los Angeles area. [21:49] Consider also applications. Like... 3D modellers and renderers [21:49] Bruce, kind of hard to transport hot dry weather to you. :-) [21:49] Most 133 MHz systems just gets over bogged with tasks as well and loose the smoothness. [21:49] Jeri - is the design I/O bound? [21:50] what part of Califoria is you in, then? [21:50] Jeffb.. Both. [21:50] Ya, I know. But it is the thought that counts. :) [21:50] Central California... south of Fresno... farm country. [21:50] on to another C-64 related topic... [21:50] ohhhh [21:50] then bring me back a farm if you would [21:50] How many people have seen Spiderman2? [21:50] thousands if not millions [21:50] I would think that the SuperVIC would be limited to the speed of the JRISC. [21:50] My car is big but not that big! [21:51] darn [21:51] or vice versa or something on that line [21:51] Jeffb the big problem with the c1 as it is made today is the 1k30 part.. It should have been stuffed with a 1k100. [21:51] bring me a video toaster 4000, then. [21:51] What? Is there a Commodore in Spiderman 2, Bruce? [21:51] Oh - yeah I saw Spiderman 2 [21:51] Jeri, why? [21:51] No, but there was a Spiderman game (or a couple) for the C-64 [21:52] Can you upgrade to 1k100s or are you stuck with what you have? [21:52] Oh, darn! I was hoping for another sighting. [21:52] Jens wanted to save money, so the 1k30 was designed in. [21:52] lemme guess.. some of the special effects for Spiderman2 were done on a C64 [21:52] I have a Spiderman game [21:52] It can be replaced with a 1K100 - Jeri ?? [21:52] why should it have been 1k100? [21:52] Yes... and that saving of money caused all kinds of problems. [21:52] Yeah, I understand. We were looking at using Stratix devices but at $800 a pop our eyes did too [21:52] More LEs. [21:52] JeffB. I can only stuff a 1k50 with the flash rom space. (Another cost savings thing) [21:53] * Hiraghm panics and screams [21:53] Snog, I have a Spiderman game around here, too. [21:53] BTW: Later C1s would have 1K100s due to price changes. [21:53] Of course that may require a larger Flash ROM [21:53] How do you know, Wildstar? [21:53] Oh! Robert, you can bring me back a 1080. [21:53] * Hiraghm nods firmly [21:54] Altera prices will change the cost. [21:54] If the FPGAs get cheaper than the price is less. [21:54] news from Gamasutra.... Japanese game market is down 40% [21:54] Hmm, an Amiga 1080 monitor, JimW? [21:54] If you can't make it for a saleable price, might as well not do it [21:54] true [21:54] yes, RobertB, I need it to use my 128D and SX [21:54] And Jeri and Jens have agreed to change the board design, Wild? [21:54] The fact is Altera has been introducing new chips in there line and this means a certain price reduction. [21:54] Altera will never lower the cost of the 1k100's the new cycloneII's are out. A redesign with those makes more sense. [21:55] O.K., I'll dig out a 1080. It will be $30, which will go into our club treasury. [21:55] how much for shipping? [21:55] Well - when they phase things out - they will - to get rid of them. I would agree with you on the Cyclone [21:56] We skipped over the 1k series, the cost/gate counts for the Cyclones is just too compelling [21:56] Wait a minute. JimW, are you along my Pacific Northwest travel route? [21:56] Of course - if you get the current batch out then we can look for a redesign with the newer Cyclones. (Just keep it compatible) [21:57] (as much a possible at least) - Jeri. [21:57] That's if Jeri has time for a redesign, Wild? [21:57] . [21:57] The only problem with the new devices is that they keep lowering the core voltages. Pretty soon you'll need a lemon, penny, and nickel to run 'em [21:57] Jeffb By the time the c1 boards were done the cyclones just started shipping.. doh! [21:57] True RobertB [21:58] heehee, no, RobertB, not by a LONG shot [21:58] Ok - a AA. [21:58] * Hiraghm rolls on the carpet laughing [21:58] I got a better one. Just finishing the schematics and Linear Tech comes out with my dream part and WAS ABLE TO DESIGN IT IN. Sometimes it does work out [21:58] Oh, are you in the MidWest, JimW? [21:58] yeah, OKCity. I was just just being a smartass, Robert. [21:59] Then shipping will cost a fortune! [21:59] yup [21:59] that's why I haven't bought one off of ebay yet :( [21:59] that and the fact that they're rare on Ebay [22:00] Jeff who do you work for? [22:00] 1080's are not that rare if you belong to a club with hardware or if you go to a show like AmiWest. [22:00] Robert, but if you do neither, they're rare :( [22:00] Smallish medical device company. Make a cardiac mapping device. I am chief engineer. [22:01] Jeri - there is the EP1C12 Cyclone (not Cyclone II) - uses 240 Pin QFP [22:01] well, I ought to get some stuff done since I'll need an early night before call [22:01] so, ny-tol [22:02] 'night CDK [22:02] Not sure if it would work with your current board design [22:02] nite CD [22:02] bye CDK [22:02] Bye, Cameron. [22:02] Bye Cameron. [22:02] * CDKaiser waves. [22:02] speaking of Chief Engineers... [22:02] anyone else hear that Scotty has alzheimers? [22:02] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.8.31 [Mozilla rv:1.4/20030529]) [22:02] Most likely the pinout of the Cyclolne and 1K are differebt [22:02] * RJLong (~longrj2@h-67-100-45-82.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #c64friends [22:02] RJ [22:03] Yes, JimW, but that hasn't been confirmed. [22:03] Hi, Roger. [22:03] * RJLong (~longrj2@h-67-100-45-82.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) Quit (Client Quit) [22:03] Well - don't know but one would have to look at the documents closely. [22:03] Robert, it sucks. [22:03] If true, yes, that's sad news. [22:04] Though the time he tried talking to a Macintosh's mouse should have been a clue... [22:04] Yow! I never thought of that! [22:04] BTW: I thought the ACEX were upto 208 pin QFPs so going to a Cyclone II is an option I believe [22:04] * RJLong (~longrj2@h-67-100-45-82.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #c64friends [22:04] RJ! [22:04] you came back! [22:04] Do you mean he would have been saner if he were speaking to a Commodore or Amiga mouse? [22:04] Hi, Roger. [22:04] Having fun with a new IRC client. [22:05] Or, perhaps, Mickey? [22:05] oh? [22:05] That be EP2C8 [22:05] does it run on a Vic20? [22:05] * CowboyWol (daemonmage@ip68-109-51-96.lu.dl.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [22:05] Cowboy [22:05] Greetings [22:05] Hi, Cowboy. [22:05] Hellow, Cowboy [22:05] howdy [22:05] Robert, he was SUPPOSED to be talking to an Amiga mouse! [22:05] * CowboyWol is now known as CowboyWlf [22:05] * Hiraghm mutters angrily [22:06] Yes, I know, JimW. ;-) [22:06] hey, brain... are you using your vic20 in IRC atm? [22:06] Robert, sorry, a decade later and it still pisses me off... [22:06] Yes, JimB, are you? [22:06] * Hiraghm grins [22:06] In the future - EP2C20 would be available on 208-pin QFP [22:06] More than a decade, JimW. [22:06] Jeri - the FPGAs are ACEX ???? [22:06] In the future, computers will be small enough to fit in a single room, and 640k will be all the RAM anyone would ever want [22:07] W* Yes [22:07] I disappeared for a while.. but I'm back for the moment [22:07] LOL. [22:07] Robert, I know, but I'm trying to pretend I'm not an antique, myself. :) [22:07] As far as documents go on Altera - they are upto 208 pin QFPs - is that the case [22:07] Hiraghm: Still waiting for my HAL 9000 [22:07] Ouch, one of my former students (who is all grown up) accused me of that the other night in an e-mail. [22:08] ooh, you're on the pre-order list too, Jeff? [22:08] Jeri - are the ACEX 208pin QFP [22:08] Robert, accused you of what? [22:08] W* yes [22:08] Yeah, heard macrosquish was writing the OS. Probably be psycotic [22:08] Isn't the "eye" of HAL in some museum? [22:09] probably [22:09] but I want to know.. where's his *other* eye? [22:09] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.210.216.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [22:09] Jeff... "probably"? [22:09] JimW, he said that going to 3 concerts in one week is a bit much for a person "my age"! [22:09] Ok - I was looking at the Cyclone II for the closest matching pinouts set of chips. Though I would naturally leave that up to you. [22:09] Ok, wanted to cut them some slack [22:10] Robert, LOL [22:10] 3 concerts? what were they? [22:10] This is just what I see on Altera's site. [22:10] I'm seriously considering going to the S.F. Museum in Seattle. [22:10] Jeff, in the future, "psychosis" in a Microsoft computer will not be a fundamental and dangerous flaw... [22:10] Science Fiction... not San Francisco. [22:10] it will be an undocumented feature :) [22:11] RobertB I was there last week.. I thought it was a rip off for $15. [22:11] Central to the OS, no doubt [22:11] The best part was the Red Dwarf can of beer. [22:11] Snog, they were Shania Twain on Tuesday, Fleetwood Mac on Thursday, and Eddie Money on Saturday. [22:11] speeds up calculations.. who cares if they're all wrong, they'll be fast fast fast... [22:11] Jeri... in Seattle just for the museum? And what else? [22:11] Robert, OMG you actually SAW Shania Twain? Like, in person? 40 feet away? [22:11] Jeri - had higher hopes for the SF museum. Too bad :( [22:12] how was fm, robert? [22:12] 80 feet away, JimW. [22:12] The SF Museum was only. OK. [22:12] speaking of becoming antiques, Stevie Nicks seems to be aging gracefully [22:12] Robert, 80 feet?? that's a lot closer than 2,000 miles.... I think.. [22:12] * Hiraghm scratches his head [22:12] I haven't seen Stevie in concert since the 80s [22:12] is lindsey buckingham touring with them? Christine left right? [22:12] Jeri, there is no SF museum in OK [22:13] Cowboy Hall of Fame, yes. SF Museum, no. [22:13] Fleetwood Mac was great, and Mick was his usual "mad" self. [22:13] Jeri - if you don't mind my asking: what is your day job? [22:13] Jeri - as of yet - i don't know the price of the Cyclone II but from what I see - it is still until 2005. [22:13] Hiraghm: "Does it run on a Vic20?" No, this IRC client is over on the evil IBM. Haven't figured out how to make use of the DSL connection through a C64/C128 yet. [22:13] Ah, how was Captain Kirk's chair, Jeri? [22:13] Jeffb. I'm an EE. [22:13] Jeff, she's a computer terrorist [22:14] RJL, talk to brain [22:14] If by that you mean the C-One is designed to terrorize WINTEL, then OK by me [22:14] lol [22:14] RobertB It was really funny, because it was made out of a cheap office chair. [22:14] JimW, Stevie Nicks seemed heavier, but her voice was still great. [22:14] no, I mean she terrorizes computers with a soldering iron [22:14] * Hiraghm grins evilly [22:14] Oh, yeah, Jeri! I must go and take photos and video! [22:15] * VICbrain (~brain@12-217-179-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends [22:15] I guess the first step would be the Ethernet cartridge. [22:15] Hi, JimB. [22:15] Jeri, yeah, they were on an incredibly tight budget in the original series [22:15] rehi brain [22:15] Howdy VICbrain [22:15] what's pinky up to, tonight? [22:15] OK, now on VIC [22:15] I've found a heat gun set to nuclear meltdown will remove most chips easily. Also silk and top copper but ya gotta break some eggs [22:16] Pinky is sleeping [22:16] * Hiraghm considers this [22:16] no, Jeff, I feel no compulsion to break some eggs [22:16] Jeri, is photographing/videotaping allowed in the museum? [22:17] RobertB I couldn't tell you for sure. [22:17] robert: only if you describe your camera as a video atomiser [22:17] Hiraghm/RobertB: The VIC needs a good term prg before I can use it more [22:17] Maybe a cheap office chair, but it shows that reasonably good TV SF can be done on a budget. See Babylon 5 for further examples [22:17] I do have 40 columns working on it tonite [22:17] Snog, Heart is coming to my area on July 29. I'm seriously considering going to it. [22:17] how you connecting it to the net, mr brain sir? [22:17] I was in one museum that would allow pictures, but you couldn't use flash photography [22:17] null modem cable to linux via tcpser [22:17] JeffB, well, the Toaster helped with that a LOT [22:17] tcpser? [22:17] vas ist tcpser? [22:18] fortunately I had ASA1000 film in the camera [22:18] It's an app I wrote to make a serial port looks like a Hayes modem [22:18] Hmmm, wasn't there a 1200-baud term for the VIC-20? [22:18] Yes indeedee. The Amiga was a kicka** machine in its day [22:18] * Hiraghm wants to know cause he'd like to hook his CBMs and A3000 to his net this way [22:18] stdt [22:18] =atdt [22:18] Not a 40 col term [22:18] Newbie question here: the other IRC window is popping up with "Ping? Pong!" every so often. What's the correct response to that? [22:18] No problem, Snog. I can turn off the flash. [22:18] Jeff, dunno, I at one time connected to the university's PDP-11 from my vic using a 300 baud hesmodem and some kinda term program... [22:18] That's OK. Putting the finising touches on a 40 column term here [22:18] don't do anything with it, RJLong [22:19] RJlong, just ignore it. [22:19] It's there to catch 'bots [22:19] Hiraghm: You should be able to find a 10Mbps card for the Amiga. [22:19] it's there to make sure you're still online also [22:19] Thanks. [22:19] * C64user (~lenglund@veenet.value.net) has joined #c64friends [22:19] RJ, I probably can [22:19] hello C64User [22:19] Howdy C64user [22:19] Hello people [22:19] hello, C64user [22:19] Oh, yeah, Jim... a 40-col term program for the VIC? Nice! [22:19] Yep [22:19] Hi, C64user. [22:19] I had my A1200 hooked to the network for awhile. Then I put Samba on it. Don't do that with only 2 meg of ram [22:19] And a UART cart for my VIC [22:20] 38400 on a VIC-20.... Woot! [22:20] ooh, UART cart [22:20] ALl the parts are sitting here. Just need to wire it up [22:20] And, I can move over to my other window.... [22:20] brain: impressive. will scrolling the screen be a problem? [22:21] it'll be like that episode of Stargate where they had to wait for the computer to catch up... [22:21] And now typing on a 64 keyboard hooked to a PC [22:21] Larry, how's the weather in the East Bay right now? [22:21] JeffB, no [22:21] brain, what if we *want* scrolling to be a problem? [22:21] Actually, it's easier to scroll on a VIC soft screen [22:21] A litle windy, but otherwise great, Robert. [22:21] uh, get a Timex ZX-81? [22:21] Makes sense [22:22] Brain: whatever happened to C= and Swap, and VICUG? [22:22] nah [22:22] if I want a doorstop, I'll get a plus/4 [22:22] They're here. When my son was born, the web host [22:22] I was on changed things drastically [22:22] Had a plus/4 and gave it to a friend. No longer a friend [22:22] So, I had to rewrite all the stuff [22:22] With a new child, that just did not happen [22:22] Jeff, that'll learn ya :) [22:23] Now, have more time [22:23] Better ideas [22:23] And the old source code [22:23] * MikeP remembers throwing a C16 in the bin years ago [22:23] Larry, after I come back from my C= Tour, I'm supposed to go to Vern Viani's house and raid his C= hardware and software. [22:23] Unfortunately the plus/4 is another example of Commodore taking careful aim at their foot before firing [22:23] I remembered an old game I had half finished for my C64 20 years ago [22:23] wow, can smell sulfur from fireworks [22:23] I should dig it out and finish it [22:23] * brain has trouble switching from PC to 64 keyboard [22:24] Better bring a pickup truck, Robert. :) [22:24] Jeffb. Where are you located? [22:24] Minneapolis [22:24] Just had firecracker pop outside. It better not catch the weeds on fire. [22:24] Weed? [22:24] JeffB, I lived there for a month or two, 22 years ago. [22:24] OOOHHHH! [22:24] Jeffb. :( Wish you were closer. [22:25] Nah, Larry... just several trips with my big Crown Vic or smaller Honda station wagon. [22:25] You'd better have fire insuance on your Commodore things, Robert. [22:25] Yup. CBM: maker of great products, possessor of little marketing sense [22:25] Jeri - What did you have in mind? [22:25] Extra insurance is allowed for valuable items, like jewels. [22:26] I've been looking for a home project [22:26] Jeffb. I like to be close to people with a high nerd factor. [22:26] The Coomodore equipment you have, Robert, IS JEWELS!! [22:26] because you like nerds, or because you want to look less nerdy? :D [22:26] Nerd factor? We need a test for that! [22:27] isn't the Geek code close to nerd factor? [22:27] * brain must not be nerdy enough :-( [22:27] Well.. I gotta go eat .. talk to ya'll later [22:27] nothing cuter than a nerd. IMHO. [22:27] Anyway - just want to let everyone know - feel free to discuss anything C-One related on the C-OnePeripherals mail list. [22:27] brain, you're going to adopt her, though. [22:27] I wear a pocket protector with pride. Even have a couple of my old slide rules around [22:27] adios, cowboy [22:27] Larry, jewels... like diamonds, rubies, sapphires... unless I coat my C= stuff with them. [22:27] true [22:27] Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/C-OnePeripherals/ [22:27] * CowboyWlf (daemonmage@ip68-109-51-96.lu.dl.cox.net) Quit [22:27] Link: http://www.if-legends.org/~yois/column.php?column_date=2004-02-01 [22:28] Ah, slide rulers... I always lost those. [22:28] Hey, I not only still have my Newtek pocket protector, I still have my Cool Friends of Newtek kit, with the box, the cinnemon Kats, AND the Newtek Demo Reel 2 [22:28] Important article on protecting your collections. [22:28] Wildstar, you never joined my BBS [22:28] * Murrlin (murr@dialup-207-218-229-68.ev1.net) has joined #c64friends [22:28] I have been gathering old jewels, broken Commodre drives, in my locale. [22:29] Murrlin! [22:29] I thought I did ????? [22:29] hi Hiraghm [22:29] =) [22:29] Howdy Murrlin [22:29] hello all [22:29] Hello Murrlin [22:29] Speaking of old stuff, does anyone know if Amiga Corporation made a power strip when they were making products to raise cash to start on the Amiga? [22:29] Hi, Murrlin. [22:29] whaddi miss [22:29] Never heard of that, Roger. [22:29] #7 in the members list Hiraghm [22:29] Too much, Murrlin. [22:29] If I added up the selling price of all my antique computers I could probably buy myself lunch. [22:30] =( [22:30] work sucks. [22:30] Wildstar, I'll check and see [22:30] I joined on the 16th of June [22:30] you haven't posted yet. [22:30] * Murrlin sees MacBethPSW =) [22:30] Amiga did make stuff for the Atari 2600 [22:30] yes, Murrlin, work sucks, that's why it's not called "play" [22:30] :D [22:30] Like what, Snog? [22:30] I found a power strip whose label resembles what was on the PowerStik and the JoyBoard. [22:30] The Joy Board [22:31] snog: that makes sense, after all, the Amiga range were really only overclocked Atari 2600 and 800XL's anyway [22:31] ;) [22:31] Joy Board? I don't remember that. [22:31] * Hiraghm kicks MikeP in the P. [22:31] tonight I ponder the nature of z80 assembly coding (and disassembling) [22:31] Oooh. Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to 1983. [22:31] foot controlled joystick [22:31] At one point I owned the Amiga joysticks and threw them away!!!! [22:32] hi Jeri [22:32] One of the great questions of mankind. [22:32] hey! RJL, I used that line in a message board today [22:32] Jeri, me too. they were my favorite joysticks too. great size and durable [22:32] Some kleenex for Jeri, please. [22:32] * MikeP laughs maniacally [22:32] (my father had a habit of throwing his joysticks across the room....) [22:33] Ok - A post. Anyway I just want to let people know that I been granted "moderator"/"owner" status of the C-OnePeripherals mail list. Don't panic - I don't intend to ban anyone unless it is a serious problem with an "abusing" user. [22:33] JoyBoard: joystick built into a platform that you moved with your feet. With a pass-thru connector for the matching PowerStik joystick. [22:33] HOW THE HELL DID THAT HAPPEN? [22:33] It's used for their board games like Mogul Maniac [22:33] PowerStik: greatest joystick ever made for those "Track and Field"-type games that required rapid back-and-forth movement. [22:33] Nah, JimW... my father had the habit of throwing his shoe across the room (at us fleeing kids). [22:33] * Hiraghm thinks we need Myst for the C-1. [22:34] CoyboyWlf - is the founder of the maillist and asked me to moderate it. [22:34] * MikeP thinks we need the c1 first [22:34] JoyBoard: source of the "Guru Meditation". Someone wrote a small program that monitored the Amiga's joystick ports. You sat on the JoyBoard, and if you were perfectly still, it showed so on screen. [22:34] We need tools first - like a image viewer/converter [22:34] Wildstar, what happened to the original person who set up the C-OnePeripherals list? [22:34] * Hiraghm feels no such need, first. [22:34] Bo? [22:34] He still has the status but he wanted someone with more time. [22:35] CoyboyWolf is the fellow who started the list. [22:35] He was just on here. [22:35] W* was it another one of your personalities that set up the group? [22:35] nope. [22:35] * MikeP wonders if he will still be able to afford the C=1 when it becomes available... [22:35] I know I still have both of those somewhere... [22:35] * Jeri doubts it. [22:35] Multiple personalities?! ;-) [22:35] I set up other lists. [22:36] * Hiraghm isn't worrying about it; he can't afford it now... [22:36] * Mikethe (Mikethe@acty5067.dialup.dandy.net) has joined #c64friends [22:36] Mike! [22:36] Remember - only do the things the NICE voices tell you to do [22:36] Hi, Mikethe. [22:36] what if there are no nice voices? [22:36] Hi [22:36] Hi Mikethe [22:36] I can afford it now, but the way things are going at the moment, i doubt i'll have the spare $$$$ in 6 months :( [22:36] * Bob (robert.gra@207-237-35-83.s83.tnt1.nywct.ny.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #c64friends [22:36] Yo Bob [22:36] Hi, Bob. [22:36] CoyboyWlf = CowboyWolf = Mike Prowler [22:36] Yo, Bob [22:37] Hi! [22:37] yum afterwork dinner: 2 dogs and chips [22:37] Howdy Bob and Mikethe [22:37] Then you are up the creek [22:37] He wanted someone with more free time to manage the list. [22:37] * Hiraghm is still working on examples of his nerdiness [22:37] Food? That reminds me to get some left-overs. [22:37] * Mikethe is now known as MikeHat [22:37] BRB _ Time for some Lunch [22:37] All I am saying is - don't panic. [22:37] * Bob (robert.gra@207-237-35-83.s83.tnt1.nywct.ny.dialup.rcn.com) Quit (Killed (newnet.ludd.luth.se (Nick collision (new)))) [22:38] BRB. Time for dinner. [22:38] W*, who are you? THHGTTG? [22:38] oops [22:38] Nerdiness if a finite state of mind [22:38] Rick Balkins. As for THHGTTG ???? [22:38] I still have my Stellar Patrol membership card.... [22:38] W*, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy [22:38] it says the same thing, only in nice, friendly letters. [22:39] * Jeri wonders is W* can take medication for his multiple personality disorder. [22:39] * Murrlin would like to code forth for 8bit computers (emulated) that happen to have keyboards: tutor, aquarius, odyssey2 [22:39] only one of the personalities is taking meds [22:39] Jeri - don't worry. [22:39] yes I want to see a forth on the O2 =) [22:39] I have a couple of Commodore monitors that don't work. Does anyone know of a person that repairs them? [22:39] no editor, just perhaps a simple interpretive mode [22:39] Is there a version of forth for the SGI O2? [22:40] 42 [22:40] I dont know how much ram is in an o2 [22:40] mine had 384meg I think [22:40] BTW: I was more or less "role-playing" the one "personality". [22:40] yeah, after I upgraded it [22:40] magnavox, hir, not sgi =) [22:40] the one I'm planning to mess with [22:41] okay [22:41] Couldn't you port a Linux version to Irix? [22:41] * Hiraghm misses his O2 [22:41] * Bob (robert.gra@207-237-35-83.s83.tnt1.nywct.ny.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #c64friends [22:41] Jeff, don't see why gnot [22:41] Are there any Commodore monitor repair people still around? [22:41] reyo Bob [22:41] welcome back Bob [22:41] Anyway - you can check the list out. Jeri - I believe you might be subscribed to that list so you could check that out. [22:41] rehi, Bob. [22:41] C64, I would think anyone who can repair monitors and tvs would be able to [22:41] not too many people even fix tvs now days [22:41] well, that's true enough [22:42] Any tv repair shop? [22:42] * Bob is now known as RobertG [22:42] C64user: which state are you in? (Or country?) [22:42] Calif. USA [22:42] People's Republic of [22:42] I rather keep the list open to discussions and yes - theories as long as everyone doesn't get irritated. [22:42] :D [22:42] I have a theory [22:42] that someone is bound to get irritated [22:42] (Actually - I was quite suprised to be asked [22:42] I have alot of theories. [22:42] I actually had a tv/electronics repair shop put a kernal IC socket in my 64c to install jdos into [22:43] Someone vs Everyone ???? [22:43] waaaaaaaaaaay back when [22:43] about 1995 or 6 [22:43] last I checked [22:43] "someone" was a subset of "everyone" [22:43] I generally will prefer it be C-One related to some level at least. [22:43] Murrlin, did they have insturctions or did they know what to do? [22:43] W* - in that matchup I'll take everyone [22:43] C64user: The only places I've confirmed that still repair Commodore items are back east. [22:43] 'pull out this chip, put a socket in.' [22:44] pretty straightforward [22:44] the C series of 64s were rather slick looking [22:44] that way the kernal was socketed, for my installation needs [22:44] Murrlin, it is always straighforward when you know what you are doing--which I don't. [22:45] when I bought the c128d from CMD, I bought the preJdossed model [22:45] * Hiraghm claps C64user on the back [22:45] * Murrlin nods [22:45] Welcome to my world! [22:45] may I ask, if it's alright, as to how old c64user is? and you too, Hiraghm? [22:45] Just keep in mind that rules are always subjective to changes but I will be sincere and gentle on matters as possible. [22:45] certainly you may ask [22:46] I am now 62 for two more months. [22:46] then I am 63 :) [22:46] oh my gosh! [22:46] * Murrlin feels like a spring chicken [22:46] Soon to be ..... 64 [22:46] almost 40 [22:46] Benn using Commodores since 1979. :) [22:46] I've only been 42 for just over a month [22:46] Benn = been [22:46] =) [22:46] very cool [22:47] its nice to see that age range be into such machines, still [22:47] something for me to shoot for huh [22:47] RobertB: Before I forget, wanted to let you know I'll be at the Tacoma meeting, too. [22:47] * Murrlin saluts C64user [22:47] I will make an official announcements on the list but it will be after Independence day. [22:47] Hiraghm - I've got you beat. I've been 42 for almost 8 years [22:48] lo [22:48] hi to anyone I haven't hi'd yet [22:48] Looks like I am the oldest one here. [22:48] * Murrlin got to mess around and learn quite a bit of electronics during his teens [22:48] very fun [22:48] maturest, I men. :) [22:48] bah [22:48] men = mean [22:48] old != mature [22:49] * Quest (~Ack@h0006256a4433.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #c64friends [22:49] Quest! [22:49] hi Quest [22:49] Hi Quest [22:49] Howdy Quest [22:49] Lo' all :) [22:49] * Murrlin plays Dawnfall on the bigscreen monitor [22:49] Don't forget, Spongebob Squarepants says, "Old people are the greatest! They're full of wisdom and experience." [22:49] and flattulence [22:49] and poop? *ducks and runs* [22:49] wahahahaha [22:49] and arthritis [22:49] Old is relative. The cosmos is 13e9 to 14e9 years. Makes me feel like a spring chicken. [22:50] I'm back. It took longer than I thought to warm up dinner. [22:50] I'm new at this, so I will just copy the mail for now. I live in CT. Also just got a C64 with two 1541's. Not yet set up. [22:50] (JimBrain - welcome) [22:50] dammit. there's artillary fire out back [22:50] huh, been here for a long time [22:50] oh man! [22:50] go, robert, go! =) [22:50] Re-Hi Robert. Do you know anyone who repairs Commodore monitors? [22:50] heheh [22:51] Me and my *EVIL* sidekick, VICBrain [22:51] Yes, master [22:51] hi jim, how's things [22:51] Evil? Vic? [22:51] never in the same sentence [22:51] Thinsg are fine. [22:52] Larry, I think **** in Washington State did, but he hasn't answered me on e-mail. I'll have to telephone him. [22:52] Typing on my 64 keyboard attached to my PC [22:52] * Murrlin has a fondness for Electron/Dokken's demos [22:52] Mind went blank as I sat here eating dinner. [22:52] wow, must have been good vittles [22:52] Let me know if you make contact with him, Robert. [22:52] rob, food for thought is needed =) [22:52] * Jeri want f00d. [22:52] Ray Carlsen... that's who! [22:53] * Murrlin offers Jeri some cheesyfries pringles [22:53] I have some Vietnamese food here. [22:53] Adding VICE keymap support in as we speak (write) [22:53] * MikeP is eating f00d, lunch... mmmm peanut butter sandwiches [22:53] RobertB: You ain't referring to TechStar, are you? [22:53] Jeri - go eat. :-) [22:53] brb watching fireworks [22:53] No, Roger... TechStar is long gone. [22:53] Right. Thought you might still be in touch with the owner, though. [22:54] Robert, you eat vietnamese? is that legal? [22:54] They taste like Chicken [22:54] Vietnamese food, JimW. Some tasty chow fun and pho. [22:54] * Jeri wants some Mexican. [22:54] Yum, chow fun :9 [22:54] * MikeP needs coffee to wash down peanut butter [22:55] How far is Taco Bell for you, Jeri? :-) [22:55] Thats not Mexican. [22:55] For me ???? - 96 miles [22:55] lol [22:55] hehe [22:55] Maybe 100 miles [22:55] Maybe I should just throw the broken Commodore monitors away? [22:56] Snog, this chow fun is the combo... chicken, beef, and seafood. [22:56] I get sad throwing anything C= away. [22:56] Jeri did you ever try salsa ranchera? [22:56] Larry, what kind of monitors are they? [22:56] Don't throw 'em away. [22:56] * Murrlin nods at this [22:56] I threw a vic away =( [22:56] Antigen. Not yet. [22:56] I find a way to repair the VIC. [22:56] 1702's and 1902's [22:56] I didn't have the means to grab any nifty expansionation [22:57] C64user: Like I said, only places are back east, so shipping is gonna kill you if you really want them repaired. [22:57] * brain needs a new VIC [22:57] Well, I will ask Ray. I'll call him up tomorrow or Monday. [22:57] I can pay shipping for them. [22:57] His VIC-I is B&W now [22:57] And the other is finicky about Votlage [22:58] Okay, Robert, I'll wait to hear from you. [22:58] And, he doesn't want to pull out his collector one [22:58] Can't blame him. I'm finicky about my Votlage too - I like it warm, but not hot. [22:58] Right, Larry. I'll write your request down. [22:58] hi Robin [22:58] thanks, Robert. [22:59] * MikeP promises to take Jeri to his favourite Mexican restraunt if she's ever in Melbourne, Australia :) [22:59] * brain needs a SID chip. ANyone have a spare? [22:59] None here. [22:59] Murrlin, all :) [22:59] I know of a few places in Astoria. [22:59] no Casa Bonita near by, Jeri? [22:59] =) [22:59] JimB, I might have some spare boards. I'll have to look (but they are in Stockton). [23:00] Time to go. g'night all. [23:00] * Hiraghm would like to eat some food withOUT Mexican influence, someday... [23:00] g'nite Jeff [23:00] * JeffB (~jburrell7@c-66-41-160-205.mn.client2.attbi.com) Quit [23:00] Bye, Jeff. [23:00] bye jeff [23:00] niters,Jeff [23:00] Bear Technologies in Pennsylvania, 1-800-755-5925. [23:00] Well, if you find 1 or so, I'll pay for 'em [23:00] The 64 works, but no sound [23:00] North American Computer, Wisconsin, 414-547-6222 [23:00] It's a 64C, so I'd like to get it set up for the son. [23:00] Robert, every time you mention "Stockton" I think of A) "The Roads Must Roll" by Robert A. Heinlein, and "The Big Valley" [23:01] Roger, have these been confirmed? Are they still in business? [23:01] Thanks, RJ [23:01] * Hiraghm hates being ignored >:( [23:01] Yes, the Big Valley.... strange... we never could figure out where Barbara Stanwyck had that ranch. [23:01] lol [23:01] :}9 [23:01] :-) [23:02] you mean Big Valley referred to a RANCH? [23:02] * RajW (~darkone@68-184-83-64.cpe.ga.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [23:02] lo Raj [23:02] surely there is SOMEONE who can fix a monitor in your area C64 user? All you need is a local TV repair person, Commdore monitors are no different to many other tv/monitors [23:02] Must have been the back lot in Hollywood. [23:02] Hoi M8! [23:02] Hello Raj [23:02] Hi Raj [23:02] Hey, Raj. Do you repair C= monitors? [23:02] Hey everyone! [23:02] Can someone recommend a good chat client. What are you people using? Right now I have thr Opera chat client, part of the Opera Browser. [23:03] VirC [23:03] irssi is nice text client [23:03] BearTech still lists C64s and drives, but not monitors. Looks like North American doesn't have C= repairs any more. [23:03] gotta sign off. The water heater just gave out so need to get a new one before Robert arrives next week. :( [23:03] I'm using Desterm 2.01. [23:03] nite all [23:03] Unfortunately.... no. Monitors are about the only C64-type stuff I don't repair. [23:03] need too. [23:03] Bye, Bruce. [23:03] buy Bruce [23:03] Bye, Bruce [23:03] * BruceT (~chatzilla@S01060004e24fa9e1.ed.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]) [23:03] Private msgs show up in different windows... [23:04] what type of computer are you using, RobertG [23:04] Bruce is buying a water heater for little me?! [23:04] LR needs to get out of retirement. :-)) [23:04] Hey... I'm in North America... and I do repairs! :) [23:04] IBM PC [23:05] Great repairs too, Raj! [23:05] Robert, 5150? [23:05] Hi RajW [23:05] As for an IRC client... I use mIRC on my Windows systems. [23:05] me RobertG's nick is too similar to mine. [23:05] Thx Larry! [23:05] alot of IBM compatibles use mirc, trillian or Pirch [23:05] VIRC [23:05] or KVIRC if you're using Linux [23:05] O.K., I'm changing. [23:05] * RobertB is now known as Captain [23:05] As soon as I get the NIC working - then I must make an IRC client for it. [23:05] assuming Windows operating system [23:05] On Linux I use BitchX. (Yes! That's it's name) [23:06] I use standard IRC on my ISP. [23:06] (Yes my Commodore PC-10 needs the NIC working [23:06] * Captain is now known as CaptainBo [23:06] and a IRC client [23:06] * CaptainBo is now known as Capt [23:06] Using screen on linux with irssi lets me have the chat open in multiple machines [23:06] Captain Bo ??? [23:06] * Capt is now known as CaptBobby [23:06] Right now, it's on 3. [23:06] I've tried BitchX, I prefer KVIRC [23:06] Got it! [23:06] I can use BitchX also, but it is too fancy for my taste. [23:06] Ok [23:07] So.... when is Jim Brain going to finish that Super X1541 cable?? :-) [23:07] * Oldbitcol (Oldbitcoll@acs-24-239-255-194.zoominternet.net) has joined #c64friends [23:07] Howdy Oldbitcol [23:07] superx1541?? [23:07] hi obc [23:07] Hey Jeff. [23:07] Hi, Oldbitcol. [23:07] hi Oldbitcol [23:07] hi gys [23:07] Does anyone have the file to unlock 64hdd? I've been trying to get registered for a week now. [23:07] hehe, [23:08] We're making progress. I took a week off to build C=key [23:08] it's not a file, it's a password of sorts [23:08] not available here. [23:08] hi Oldbitcol [23:08] * RobertG (robert.gra@207-237-35-83.s83.tnt1.nywct.ny.dialup.rcn.com) has left #c64friends [23:08] 64hdd shareware? [23:08] Debuggin all day gets boring [23:08] C=Key ??????????? [23:08] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.210.251.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [23:08] W* keep up [23:08] rehi Jlaw [23:08] JimB... Did you get my e-mail about that Atmel board with the imbeded Ethernet? [23:08] care [23:08] jim, how did you get away with not even using a board for your c=key? [23:08] C=Key: www.jbrain.com/brain/c=key/ [23:08] Hello again. [23:08] hi jlaw [23:09] Murrlin, he's special [23:09] It's shareware, but requires registration. [23:09] Hi, Jim. [23:09] Thanks Jim. [23:09] what is that over the pins of the chip? [23:09] JimL [23:09] Hir, yes indeedy [23:09] on the bottom? [23:09] Hehe.. Wrong key. [23:09] yeah [23:09] Now you know why my name is spelled "Hiraghm" [23:09] The two caps and the crystal [23:09] Jim, nice job on that interface! [23:09] no, I don't know why your name is spelt Hiraghm [23:09] Jeri, I thought you didn't like 64HDD. [23:10] brain, the black coating? [23:10] looks like a rubber sleeve over the pins [23:10] No coating. [23:10] Must just be the light on the IC [23:10] jeri: is that the shareware copy of 64hdd? [23:10] I need it to save time loading things into the c1. [23:10] I have to go now. Happy 4th of July to everyone. [23:10] Hmm, let me look [23:10] I see. [23:11] Bye, Larry. [23:11] brain: if you [23:11] * C64user (~lenglund@veenet.value.net) has left #c64friends [23:11] * MikeHat (Mikethe@acty5067.dialup.dandy.net) Quit [23:11] brain: if your gonna look, i'll stay seated :) [23:11] does the code work for later versions of the software? [23:11] Murrlin, too many "Jims" around [23:11] Ok nice KB interface. [23:11] Jeri... just poke Jim Brain with a cattle prod... with his Super X1541 cable you will not need DOS any more. [23:11] Murrlin, it's just the way the socket is made [23:11] I used a 40 pin socket to put the IC in. [23:11] Jeri, do you need the 64HDD for one instance or on a continuing basis? [23:12] RajW I'm looking forward to that. [23:12] ok ah I see it now [23:12] it would be nice if WinGs were Intuition-like [23:12] me too... It's a pain to switch to DOS to use STarCommander. [23:12] Well, the IEC interface worls now, but no fast load. [23:12] a very slimline socket [23:12] Yes [23:12] I tried to take a side shot, but the camera wouldn't focus [23:12] Dang - you know - maybe my PC-10 will be the PC connection. [23:12] W*, it probably drank too much [23:13] CaptB. I need it for a week or so. [23:13] I was using it earlier to type in here [23:13] it doesn't look like all the pins are there, only the ones you needed? [23:13] JimB: I'll take good-ole slow load over *no-load*. :) [23:13] yes [23:13] cool! [23:13] Raj, code is available. [23:13] that was pretty clever [23:13] Get your board ready [23:13] 14.7456MHz [23:13] crystal [23:13] Cool! [23:13] I thought the c1 uses flash [23:13] lol ( Hiraghm ) [23:14] Ah-ha, Gene Woods wants me to bring over my Loadstar Tower (64HDD). If you only need it a week, that would be o.k.. [23:14] Murrlin, adding 2 joystick support tonite [23:14] Jim: Excellent... I can't wait to see/get the code. [23:14] I have a question for you, Wildstar and Jeri [23:14] and keymapping for VICE [23:14] should I change the default skin on my BBS? [23:14] OK ???? [23:14] oo? neat, I think [23:14] Of course I'll have to find/buy a 14MHz crystal. [23:14] Yes [23:15] Small price to pay, IMHO [23:15] * Murrlin has to recall what the c=key does, bare vic kb -> pc kb port, right? [23:15] * Hiraghm nudges Jeri [23:15] I'll send you one if you need. [23:15] I gotta make another order... [23:15] Not a problem. :) [23:15] I fried a ATmega32 in the last few days, [23:15] Not sure how [23:15] brain: don't forget me... :) [23:15] ick [23:15] I won't [23:15] Ouch. [23:15] :) [23:15] * Hiraghm nudges W* [23:16] Which Atmel did you use? [23:16] * Hiraghm gives up and goes to watch a rerun of "Roseanne" [23:16] * thea1ien (~The@pool-141-152-181-171.norf.east.verizon.net) has joined #c64friends [23:16] Next part of this prj is to do the reverse (PC keyb on 64) [23:16] Well... I find it interesting but I would have to see the other skins to see if it looks good. [23:16] with 1 IC [23:16] hi thea1ien [23:16] * thea1ien4 sets mode: +o thea1ien [23:16] * thea1ien4 (~thea1ien@pool-141-152-181-171.norf.east.verizon.net) Quit [23:16] jim, what info did you use to set the chip up to output proper ibm keyboard i/o? [23:16] Hi, the a1ien. [23:16] Has anyone here does the powersupply conversion to get the 64 working on an AT supply? [23:16] Murrlin, I wrote a PS2 protocol stack [23:16] Wildstar, there are several you can choose from in your user preferences [23:16] I find the Comic strip background kind of interesting and funny. [23:16] hello [23:17] cool [23:17] for myself, I use the bulletin board layout, but it's kind of obscure to figure out at first [23:18] Hate doing laundry on Sat nights :P :P [23:18] makes me miss out of some of the chat [23:18] lol [23:18] do laundry earlier in the day! [23:18] Need to define what key combo puts the unit into program mode... Any ideas? [23:18] Hey, you could always read the buffer. [23:18] what unit? [23:18] C=key [23:19] SO you can switch keymappings [23:19] oh, off of a vic keyboard keyset? [23:19] yes [23:19] Well - EOS expanded works. [23:19] dunno, I've not one here to peep at [23:19] how about the C= key and "1"? :) [23:19] Looks like a whopping $2.70 (USD) for the 14MHz crystal. ;) [23:19] read the chat buffer? Yeah, I was a sec ago...too long and wanted to be able to get in with everyone. By time I read and catch up, many will have left the chat :P [23:19] C=1 could be used in a regular app [23:19] I would have to set up my SX to see [23:20] Need something rarely if ever used together. [23:20] runstop restore =p [23:20] ctrl-alt-delete? :D [23:20] Though - I think the ability to cycle through them on your own visual feel is something totally fine with me. [23:20] Hehe, VICE would use that. [23:20] C= F8 [23:20] Ctrl alt delete may be needed for the PC :-) [23:20] brb sec [23:21] what about [23:21] I think C=F8 is used in some apps to get F9-12 [23:21] Ah, I feel better now... dinner is what I needed. [23:21] C= <- -> [23:21] ? [23:21] cbm key plus the left-right cursor key? [23:21] F1-F3-F5-F7 together [23:21] Right, but how many apps actually use a F12? [23:21] * CaptBobby is now known as RobertB [23:21] OK, both of those ideas are workable [23:21] will this program mode reach the PC or stay at the chip? [23:22] RobertB, you don't work in the U.S. Senate, do you? [23:22] saty in the chip [23:22] jimB: how about Commodore, CTRL and RESTORE [23:22] No... but I've visited the House of Representatives! [23:23] Normally, Cmdr=Alt, Control=Control, Restore = PageUp... [23:23] COuldwork [23:23] can you detect each shift key separately, brain? [23:23] Hey! [23:23] Nice idea.... [23:23] Jim, right now, overall, is that little construction pretty flimsy, somewhat, or pretty solid? [23:23] Left and RIght Shift [23:23] it's the company I keep :) [23:23] I LIKE! [23:23] I know one would never intentionally hang your coat on it, but... [23:23] your=their [23:24] Murrlin, it is somwhat solid. I'd recommend a perfboard for long term usage [23:24] *nods* [23:24] I wanted to not spend too much time on the prototype... [23:24] I would suggest both shift keys and the key of your choice [23:24] And, I'm low on perfboard here [23:24] * brain winks at Jeri [23:25] brain: You interface going to be the next licensed C= product? [23:25] I doubt it. [23:25] * Murrlin makes himself realize that jim is typing on the pc with a c64 kb [23:25] Licensed?! [23:25] sorry, my brain is slow [23:25] how about [23:25] JimB: Do you have a web page with the Super x1541 info/schematics/code? [23:26] left-shift, right-shift, left-arrow (next to the "1" key) and inst/del? [23:26] It's really bad when you don't have any perf board. [23:26] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.210.251.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [23:26] I don't have any perfboard. [23:26] I don't have any perfboard. am I bad too? [23:26] Raj, not yet. [23:26] So it must be bad over here. [23:26] k. [23:26] no perf here (what a perf board) [23:26] well, I don't build anymore, so I'm perfboardless [23:27] Hiraghm wants people to get carpel tunnel from putting the unit into program mode [23:27] err...what's a perf board rather [23:27] I'm looking forward to making an Eagle schematic and getting some boards made. [23:27] Raj, I'll get one up. [23:27] rectangular thin wafer with evenly spaced holes in it for mounting parts [23:27] Pretyty simple, though [23:27] 3 wires to connect [23:27] brain, no... thumbs on shift, index fingers on the other two [23:27] Eagle. Bleah. [23:27] optional solder pads and traces on the bottomside [23:27] Murr: rat shacks gott'em... [23:27] I know [23:27] Eagle. Free. [23:28] I don't build anymore though [23:28] what's wrong with Eagle? [23:28] Thats the only good thing about eagle. [23:28] s/wafer/waferboard panel [23:28] I know, I'l be buying some board. Just have not made another semiconductor run. [23:28] Thanks JimB. :) [23:28] Eagle is painful to use and buggy. [23:28] ah well. [23:28] what is eagle on/for? [23:29] speaking of all this perf talk [23:29] Eagle is sort of buggy, but I never found it painfull to use [23:29] raise your hand if you DON'T need to hack off a 44pin edge connector socket in order to build something for the c64 user port [23:30] only thing I ever liked better was easytrax [23:30] * brain raises his hand [23:30] i.e., how many of you can/do find real honest to god userport-sized edge connecter sockets? [23:30] no hacking neccesary [23:30] from where, might I ask? [23:30] bought mine the other day at Digikey [23:30] * Oldbitcol pulls from a collection of old modems... [23:30] Not me... but then I don't look. [23:30] ooooo yeah [23:30] I've got a bunch [23:30] 12/24 .156 solder tail [23:30] Why would you have to hack off the 44 pin edge. It is an edge. [23:30] * Murrlin familiar with Digikey [23:31] ws: hack off the 44 to make a 24 [23:31] salvaged from an old back plane [23:31] cutting 10 pins off [23:31] 20, sorry [23:31] OH!!!! [23:31] ok [23:32] I'd love a userport socket <---> 24 pin dip thingus [23:32] Snog, have you ever heard of the CMD CP/M Utilities Disk? [23:32] * Bob_84 (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has joined #c64friends [23:32] in fact, I'd love a breadboard on toppa c64 [23:32] Hi, Bob. [23:32] a breadbox with a breadboard =) [23:32] Not from CMD [23:32] Raj, Raj, I'll put the page at www.jbrain.com/brain/vip [23:32] CMD did have a series of utilities for the Swiftlink, tho [23:32] for the HD? [23:32] VIP is the name of the project [23:33] damn you're fast! [23:33] O [23:33] erps [23:33] ty! [23:33] No, it's not there *YET* [23:33] that way you could use the Swiftlink with CP/M [23:33] I was digging around in another retrieved collection, and found this CMD disk for CP/M. [23:33] Robert, the CMD cp/m utils for the HD you mean? [23:33] I'd love to have a way to use 80col mode on my 128 [23:33] to view it [23:33] oh.. ok... hehehe [23:33] Oh, is that what it is for? [23:34] Right, there was software for the HD also to use it under CP/M [23:34] perphaps...there is I recall drivers to let you emu as an 81 drive I think..been awhile since I used CPM [23:34] but you could not use the HD with the RamLink cable [23:35] basically a 1571/41/81 partition was all you needed to set it up [23:35] has anyone had VICE hang while trying to run it in 128 mode? something about me toggling the size of one of the two mode windows makes it go BOOM [23:35] then format it under CP/M [23:35] according to my HD manual, it should have a prog called sport.com, letting you move files between partitions [23:35] I haven't investigated the disk yet. Just wondering. [23:36] The only collection of CP/M utilities I have is from FreeSpirit I think it was [23:36] WinVice or another OS version? [23:36] WinVice, sorry [23:37] JimB: Here is a nice Atmel board with imbeded ethernet. [23:37] http://store.entrelogic.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2&HS=1 [23:37] * Bob_84 (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has left #c64friends [23:38] ok, and you are trying to go full screen? or just resize one of the screens? [23:38] I actually don't recall *embarassment* [23:38] It's got the right crystal and everything. [23:39] hmm ok it's running [23:39] gods I've forgotten so much [23:39] well, unable to even think on resizing [23:39] looking [23:39] like switching to 80col mode from a 40col 128 power up [23:40] * Jim_XTS (~hiraghm@xtimports.com) has joined #c64friends [23:40] rehi [23:40] Hi, Jim_XTS. [23:40] re [23:40] Howdy Jim_XTS [23:41] * Hiraghm (~hiraghm@xtimports.com) has left #c64friends [23:41] ok it works now [23:41] I've no idea what it had been doing before [23:41] * Murrlin closed it for now [23:41] * Jim_XTS is now known as Hiraghm [23:41] I dunno, what key is mapped to the 128's ESC key? I tried the esc on pc keys to use ESC+X and no go [23:41] oh! [23:41] RobertB - Do you have any access trouble receiving mail from C-OnePeripherals ???? [23:41] wb Hiraghm [23:41] funny [23:42] virc doesn't work on this machine, but mirc does [23:42] What ethernet controller does it use? [23:42] * Jeri is heading out for some yummy mexican f00d. [23:42] 149 is a bit steep [23:42] No trouble, Wildstr. [23:42] later Jeri [23:42] Bye, Jeri. [23:42] bring back a doggybag, Jeri [23:42] buy, Jeri [23:42] Already had some yummy mexican food (well, ok, just Taco Bell) [23:42] I am now getting hungry. [23:42] *purrs* Jeriward as she leaves [23:42] *kittywave* [23:43] bye Jeri [23:43] * Jeri is now known as JeriMunch [23:43] Release the hounds! [23:43] I need to jet also... Planetside calls... As always, if need stuff repaired visit www.c64.us . [23:43] RobertB, you planing on getting online during your C= travels? [23:43] buy rajw [23:43] * Wildstar releases the Hellhounds [23:43] After that cat! [23:43] cya Raj [23:43] raj, I just need screws for my a1200 [23:43] G'night Friends! [23:43] * Wildstar releases the DireWolves [23:44] but look what'cher getting! [23:44] To the chat, no. But trying to stay in e-mail contact, yes. [23:44] Bye, Raj. [23:44] * Murrlin releases the DireCtories [23:44] OK, just curious [23:44] * RajW (~darkone@68-184-83-64.cpe.ga.charter.com) has left #c64friends [23:45] Murlin, do you know what the ESC key is on the pc to do esc on the 128? [23:45] hmmm [23:45] Last Sunday I did a demo on Iglou's shell account [23:46] had fellow CCCC'ers riveted :) [23:46] Hmmm, a fly in the ointment of my C= Tour. [23:46] RobertB - have you had been having trouble with receiving email from C-OnePeripherals. [23:46] Yes, Snog? And? [23:46] I been looking at the status logs and stuff. [23:46] I was showing them stuff they didn't know existed [23:46] No trouble, Wildstar. [23:46] and I don't have an account with Iglou [23:46] How did you do that, Snog? [23:47] We just started with the menu at the beginning, and I dropped to shell [23:47] Oh - ok. Must be that value.net account having hard bounces. Ok, see your iglou account. [23:47] Damn thing was hiding from me. :-) [23:47] of course that $ prompt had a few going [23:47] But how did you get into Iglou without an account? [23:48] Roger Hoyer has an account, used his [23:48] I'm no longer with ValueNet, Wildstar. [23:48] VIC20, C64 and C128 emulators, that CTRL is mapped to Tab and that the Commodore key is mapped to the left Control). The RUN/STOP key is mapped to the ESC key on the PC keyboard. The PET emulator, lacking the Commodore key but having an ESC key, uses the left Control key as RUN/STOP and the ESC key as ESC of course. [23:48] Ah, I see now. [23:48] Question: Any recommendations on a good C compiler for the 64/128? [23:48] I didn't get into Iglou. Just looking at the Members log and the bouncing accounts. [23:49] Quest, cc65 [23:49] using it now [23:49] I was looking to make sure everybody is ok on things. [23:49] so, the Iglou demo went on for over an hour [23:49] had to end it when the library anounced they were closing in 15 minutes [23:50] PowerC [23:50] Wow! Did you figure out how to erase your cookies or your tmp directory (because I haven't figured it out)? [23:50] I see your rbernardo (AT) iglou.... in the members log but saw the ValueNet thinggy in the bounced logs. That's all. [23:50] Are there good lib's for it (graphics, RS232, etc.)? [23:50] I didn't want to do anything with Roger's work space as far as writing/saving/deleting [23:51] I just wanted to make sure things are ok and all. [23:51] Quest, good libs for cc65 [23:51] we did briefly go in it tho [23:51] Wildstr, just drop me from the ValueNet "thinggy". [23:51] PowerC is not ANSI [23:51] * Caricon (~Saraba@user254.paulding.oh.dtnspeed.net) has joined #c64friends [23:51] Howdy Caricon [23:51] Hi, Caricon. [23:51] so? [23:51] storm over? [23:52] so far. [23:52] I just removed it. [23:52] abacus C? [23:52] so, K&R leave a bit to be desired [23:52] I made a run to town after the major of it went past. [23:52] lol, it's been quite on the storm front...can't say the same for the firecrackers outside tho [23:52] Ya, didn't think PC was. Thanks :) [23:52] Thanks, Wildstar. [23:52] there are still some pockets of storms out there. [23:52] Just cleaning things up. [23:52] brain... example? [23:52] guess the power went out once while we were gone too. [23:53] brb afk a few [23:53] No firecrackers here, Snog. [23:53] After last week's demo at CCCC, I thought to myself.....should have taped it! [23:53] I'd like to go to the CCCC meetings, but it's kinda far for us. [23:54] What were you using to access the shell at Iglou? [23:54] we had it on display on a 27 inch TV/VCR combo [23:54] I have a copy of Abacus Cobol.... lol... [23:54] all that was needed was to put a tape in the TV [23:54] What term? [23:55] Used telnet thru the library's network [23:55] telnet shellaccess.com [23:55] ? [23:56] I could see it 1/2 back in the room [23:56] back [23:56] O.K.! Good enought to videotape. [23:56] No tables or seats farther back [23:56] enough [23:57] it was probably a good 20 feet away, maybe? [23:58] Nice. Burn it to DVD-R or +R. [23:58] didn't tape it tho :( [23:58] pooh [23:58] forgot to take a tape [23:59] There's always another day. [23:59] ya, or I could do it at home...just not thru the library network [23:59] * MikeP is back [23:59] mike [23:59] Oh-oh, are those fireworks I hear from the nearby high school stadium? [23:59] Hi, MikeP. [23:59] yes [23:59] robert, what was it you were asking about the cp/m disk from CMD? [00:00] Oh, I just was wondering what it was, because I had never seen it before. [00:00] ... [00:01] Hiraghm, it's supposed to be +++ [00:01] oh [00:01] :) [00:01] murlin, sorry but I can't seem to find the esc key. I am quite certain you switch between 40 to 80 col on the 128 using esc and then X but noting [00:01] :) [00:02] robert: i got the disk with my CMD HD and I believe it's s set of utilities that allow you to use it with the C128 and CP/M [00:02] well folks, I'm gonna mosey along [00:03] catch yall next week [00:03] Oh, o.k., Mike. This CMD HD I received doesn't want to boot up. I can't list a directory. [00:03] Bye, Snog. [00:03] niters [00:03] seeya snog [00:03] bye Snogpitch [00:03] buy End of #c64friends buffer Sun Jul 04 00:03:36 2004