Session Start: Sat Jun 12 19:40:19 2004 Session Ident: #c64friends [19:40] * Now talking in #c64friends [19:40] * Topic is 'We Adore Our C64!!' [19:40] * Set by ChanServ on Sat Jun 12 10:32:28 [19:40] Howdy all [19:40] hi [19:40] wow we have a JavaUser! [19:41] JavaUser, you can change your nick to a different one by typing /nick newname [19:41] newname can be anything you choose [19:41] thanks, I don't mind this one though :) [19:41] ok, you may get bumped with it tho [19:42] we'll see how long ya last :) [19:42] * JavaUser is now known as dontbumpm [19:42] hehehe that'll work [19:43] * jbevren is now known as |\\_\\-\ [19:43] ok, how do you pronounce that? [19:43] <|\\_\\-\> ALIH [19:43] <|\\_\\-\> |\ \_ \ \-\ [19:43] <|\\_\\-\> an old c64 ircnet guy used the nick [19:43] ah... [19:44] hopefully he won't mind your respectful honor :) [19:45] an excitement going on yet? [19:45] * dontbumpm (~Javauser@dialup-9.43.220.203.acc07-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:45] ooops, lost the Javauser :( [19:49] !! [19:49] hi all [19:49] Howdy RaYzor [19:49] <|\\_\\-\> r A Y z O R [19:50] whats up all [19:50] Just looking at a nail that just broke :( [19:51] I have a friend installing Amithlon on an AThlon 14oo mhz right now, and I have been goofing with WinUAE on my AMD 64 3000+ [19:51] Oh I am sorry to hear that Snogpitch [19:51] hard to type that way [19:51] oh hey snogpitch... [19:52] ya? [19:52] how u doin? [19:52] peeling fingernails :( [19:53] ok, that task is done [19:54] so you guys were just hanging out waiting for the excitement to happen, huh? [19:55] yep. [19:56] I tried to go to a strawberry festival today [19:56] hopes were high for strawberry shortcake [19:56] and what happened? [19:57] when I got there, I was disappointed...strawberries weren't even ripe [19:57] aw... that sux. [19:57] :P hate white strawberries [19:57] yuk. [19:57] ummm [19:57] strawberry festival? [19:57] I guess I'll have to wait a few weeks for stuff to ripen more [19:58] I dont believe I ever heard of that [19:58] <|\\_\\-\> I hate moldy strawberries [19:58] I have been to strawberry farms tho [19:58] <|\\_\\-\> RaYzor: heard of the snow festival? [19:58] I Live in NY [19:58] There are festivals for just about everything in Ohio [19:58] we have a snow festival 5 months a year [19:58] <|\\_\\-\> nono [19:58] <|\\_\\-\> its in Sapporo [19:58] <|\\_\\-\> I want to go some time :) [19:59] I usually hide from the snow [19:59] I'd rather not be in it [19:59] I'm a fan of warm weather [20:00] is Sapporo in NY? [20:00] <|\\_\\-\> Northern Japan :P [20:00] and they have a snow festival there? [20:01] <|\\_\\-\> http://www.snowfes.com/english/index_e.html [20:01] <|\\_\\-\> why yes, they do [20:01] I've never been to Japan, tho I'd probably have a good time if I went [20:02] <|\\_\\-\> Extensive underground shopping malls and walkways connect major buildings with subway stations and provide shelter in Sapporo's more severe winter weather. [20:03] <|\\_\\-\> just in case you hate snow :0 [20:03] as a baby, I was baptised in a Japanese church [20:03] in California [20:03] <|\\_\\-\> as a baby, I was traumatized in an american church by being carelessly dunked in cold fucking water. [20:04] gee, and now you like snow? go figure :/ [20:04] <|\\_\\-\> actually, I'm interested in the culture [20:05] ya, the culture is fascinating to most americans [20:06] the likelihood I'll ever make it to Japan is pretty slim, tho [20:07] international travel doesn't rank high on my list of things to do [20:07] <|\\_\\-\> heh [20:07] of course if I had the money to burn, that would be a good way to get rid of some of it [20:08] along with strawberry shortcake :9 [20:08] <|\\_\\-\> yeah, crap's expensive there :) [20:09] I had a high school chum go to Japan for his graduation present of sorts [20:09] it was fascinating listening to his stories [20:09] <|\\_\\-\> http://www.snowfes.com/english/contest/contest-1e.html [20:09] <|\\_\\-\> snowmen are for the birds :D [20:09] He bought me back an entertainment magazine [20:09] of course I couldn't read it, but the pictures were neat [20:12] his whole family went [20:13] I believe he had relatives there if I remember correctly [20:14] brb, going after a glass of milk [20:18] Is there anything "Commodore" related being discussed ? [20:18] None yet [20:18] * |\\_\\-\ sicks Moji on the japanese site [20:19] I just made myself a pb&j sandwich and got a glass of milk [20:19] what do ya want to talk about, Wildstar? [20:19] cool [20:20] nothing in particular, I take it? [20:20] i gots an idea... what about the CMD hardware problem thats been goin round on usenet? [20:20] talk about that? [20:21] anyway, I decided to put strawberry jelly on my sandwich, that'll teach those at the strawberry festival :P [20:21] Let's see - in light of the CMD discussion, we can look in alternative options for SCPUs [20:21] well, the C1 is an alternative to the SCPU [20:21] hell yeah! [20:22] if i have the $$$ for it when it finally comes out, i think i might get one (not certain though) [20:22] I've got one of those, already :) [20:22] i mean the 'final' version of it... [20:23] or is that already out? [20:23] and how much did it cost? [20:23] it'll be a while before you see the final version [20:23] They currently sell for about $250 [20:23] price may vary tho [20:23] Well - the C1 is an alternative to the C64 [20:23] <|\\_\\-\> they currently dont sell. [20:23] hmm... [20:23] <|\\_\\-\> :) [20:23] as well/ [20:23] will think about it... [20:23] <|\\_\\-\> I 'bought' one in februrary [20:24] any eta on the completement date? [20:24] <|\\_\\-\> when I bought mine? march [20:24] <|\\_\\-\> heh [20:24] <|\\_\\-\> but I'm in no rush [20:24] <|\\_\\-\> I've reserved my spot in line :) [20:24] the boards are already completed [20:24] oh? [20:24] the software is what holding the show [20:24] the boards are finalized? [20:25] oh... [20:25] I was thinking about the use of a 65c265 and one FPGA and have a modem port and internal memory slots and I/O slots (PCI?) as well as a pass-thru port. [20:25] the kernal and whatnot... that's the problem? [20:25] interfacing the drives, and it's logic [20:26] ooh... that's a big problem... [20:26] well power to her! [20:26] ya, it's done when it's done [20:26] not a moment sooner [20:26] FPGA "soft-cores" not the kernal or ROMs but the digital files that are loaded into the FPGA to make the FPGA have a behavior/characteristic/function. [20:27] It is the configuration - call is "soft firmware". [20:27] kind of an oxymoron [20:28] basically all the pieces need to be able to talk with each other [20:28] it's on it's way to that point, but not there yet [20:29] that's why they want developers to get these first boards [20:29] to work out the kinks... [20:29] right [20:29] Yeah but that is as close as we can get in terms of language because the FPGA is a reconfigurable chip which can behave as completely different on the whims of "reprogramming it". An FPGA is like a cross-between a Flash ROM and a microprocessor. [20:29] it's always better to brainstorm [20:30] that's the cool thing of the fpga... [20:30] so what is the range of computers that the c1 can emulate? [20:30] Theoretical or currently ? [20:30] They have mentioned the possiblities on the official webpage [20:30] theoretical. [20:30] c64upgra.de [20:30] ANYTHING. [20:31] atari, apple, commodore, it all depends on the core [20:31] As long as you can fit it within the 130K worth of system gates [20:31] and logic elements. [20:31] tandy? (just curious) [20:31] cause i have one floating about... [20:31] (my dad's) [20:32] probably could [20:32] Well, for a Tandy - say TRS-80 model 2000 emulation - just pop out the '816 and put in a 80186 [20:32] Well, it is not actually emulation like software emulation. [20:33] the one that i would be kinda keen on is a model 1/ model 3 emu... [20:33] The C-One can also have a myriad of custom configurations as well. [20:33] http://c64upgra.de/c-one/disclaimer.htm [20:33] could it function as a normal pc? [20:33] Sure a PC-10 [20:33] or similar to one? like a 486? [20:33] you might want to look at their disclaimer to see what they think it may become [20:34] cause it would be neat to see it becoming a starcommander/64hdd compatible computer... [20:34] Nick already mentioned that he would like to do something like that [20:34] I would say look but also keep in mind that if you remove the '816 and replace the CPU and found a way to interface a 486 then emulating a 486 would be within means. [20:34] use the c1 to use as a normal commodore, or as a server to the other commodores... that's what i would use it as mainly. [20:35] The question is how you interface. [20:36] The clockport would be the route to go [20:36] it's Amiga compatible [20:36] hmm... maybe it's best to wait for now... since there's so many bugs right now... [20:37] so you'd be able to use the Amiga clockport items, if a driver is made to work for the C1 [20:37] I've got a serial port on my clockport, right now [20:37] hook it up via null modem [20:37] run some utilities [20:38] Oh, didn't you know if you reconfigured the FPGA - you could make those 9pin Joystick Ports operate like a RS-232 port. [20:38] Robert posted on comp.sys.cbm a while back about the stuff I did [20:39] quoted my email to him [20:39] That is because the pins are linked to pins on the FPGA and the FPGA's pins are "redefinable". [20:39] You just have to look at the details of the key components. [20:40] The key components are two FPGAs which you can get the details on at http://www.altera.com [20:40] <|\\_\\-\> I thought she was using xilinx [20:40] <|\\_\\-\> but nonetheless, the concept is there. [20:40] She is using Altera ACEX [20:41] <|\\_\\-\> ohh yeah [20:41] <|\\_\\-\> now that you say it I remember [20:42] whoa... i didn't know that the outputs were reconfigurable... [20:42] cool. [20:42] * Cham\CSD (realchamel@ACAD2C7F.ipt.aol.com) has joined #c64friends [20:42] Howdy Cham\CSD [20:42] howdy back! :) [20:43] whats new? [20:43] we were just talking about the C1 [20:43] Of course if you plan to customly configure the C-One, you ought to start with studying micro-electronics and FPGA programming. (VHDL, Verilog, ect.) [20:44] i see. is it still in production or ??? [20:44] on that http://c64upgra.de/ site... what type if commodore computer is on the page ? [20:44] still under "development" [20:44] i see. interesting... [20:44] the badge is C64 on that pic [20:45] On the intro page - yeah. [20:45] is it anything like the commodore pc-10 colt? [20:45] no [20:46] <|\\_\\-\> that would be apc [20:46] <|\\_\\-\> a pc [20:46] strictly commodore or a combo of both? [20:46] it's a reconfigurable computer [20:46] http://c64upgra.de/ [20:47] Jeri now online [20:47] yeah :) [20:47] gonna check that website out. brb y'all! [20:47] * Cham\CSD (realchamel@ACAD2C7F.ipt.aol.com) Quit [20:47] maybe she can answer the real tough questions [20:48] I'm not the 'authority' [20:49] almost "official time" [20:49] :) [20:49] * Jerz0r (~Jeri@4.27.140.171) has joined #c64friends [20:49] <|\\_\\-\> Jeri! :) [20:50] * |\\_\\-\ is now known as jbevren [20:50] Hey! [20:50] Howdy Jerz0r [20:50] brb [20:50] Could the C-One be a PC-10 compatible, I would say a custom core for the PC-10 chipset and possibly you would have to get an 8086/8088 chip. [20:50] Wildstar: why not just get an 8088 board? :) [20:50] hm [20:50] a better question [20:50] why bother :) [20:50] Why not just get a PC-10 [20:50] you'd need the early version of DOS, don't forget [20:51] I bet cp/m-86 would work [20:51] it runs on anything with int13 and int10 services [20:51] Nah, you just need an OS that can run on 8086 or 8088. Even GeoWorks could run perhaps. [20:51] * Cham\CSD (realchamel@ACAD2C7F.ipt.aol.com) has joined #c64friends [20:51] didnt the pc-10 have some probs with standard dos'es? [20:51] seen the pics, configurable computer for which platform? [20:52] currently commodore64 [20:52] not really. i have a pc-10 colt myself and LOVE it! [20:52] no idea on any of the issues the PC10 had, never really followed those [20:53] never used windoze on my pc-10 since i never cared for it. it uses dos 5.0 and works awesomely! got it at a swapmeet for only $15.oo (barebones) i added everything else on and have it since! [20:53] never appealed to me years ago, never did now either [20:53] Um - the PC-10 ran just fine on MS-DOS because MS-DOS was packaged with the PC-10 [20:54] thats too bad. would rather have anything C= than an emulator of sorts! the real deal always appealed to me! [20:54] The laptop Commodore did release in Canada ran Windows 3.1 if I remember the specs [20:54] Actually the PC-10 ran better than most PCs [20:55] it doesnt beat this one :) [20:55] * JoeCommod (~Larry_And@64.174.30.242) has joined #c64friends [20:55] ditto, wildstar! i 2nd that! [20:55] Centsible had one on Ebay, that they were trying to sell [20:55] Howdy JoeCommod [20:55] I actually have a PC-10. [20:55] greetz, joecommod [20:55] * gamemaste (~xy3951@plns-216-222-225-13-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) has joined #c64friends [20:55] * ChanServ sets mode: +o gamemaste [20:56] Howdy gamemaste [20:56] Hey! Back again this week! (aka LarryA) [20:56] HI all [20:56] Ok, I am comparing with the PCs of its time. [20:56] Hi snog [20:56] http://jbevren.net/office/workstation.jpg [20:56] heh [20:57] bigsized pic [20:57] yeh [20:57] I havent scaled 'em yet [20:57] Not 15+ years of CPU speed improvement. Ultimately the PC-10 is more reliable than the PCs of its day and maybe more reliable than many Windows systems [20:57] well [20:58] including 'windows' into the 'reliability' equation just removed it from the competition [20:58] ditto on that, wildstar! made to be quite reliable and strong in terms of its kind! [20:58] although the windoes box that's behind me (not in that pic) doesnt die [20:58] my laptop (running linux) was up for 148 days (no crashes, reboots, or logout/logins) when I turned it off for vacation [20:58] its been running since I came back. [20:59] pc hardware's reliable :) [20:59] its the software that breaks crap [20:59] what's in the Special K box? :) [20:59] trash :) [21:00] I recycle [21:00] its my trash bin [21:00] Oh, thought that might have been a computer too :) [21:00] nope! a gold key to a glod C= unit!! 8) [21:00] glod = gold [21:00] haha [21:00] I never liked the older PCs [21:00] c= or not [21:00] I really dont like newer ones either [21:00] * Pnacolada (~trillian@c-67-171-224-14.client.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:01] HOwdy Pnacolada [21:01] this one just serves my purpose, and non-intel laptops are either trash or expensive [21:01] Heya. [21:01] Well, PCs of today do indeed have quite reliable PSUs. But the motherboards on the PC-10 is quite reliable. [21:01] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.198.209.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has joined #c64friends [21:01] everyone's piling in :) [21:01] Howdy JLawless [21:01] we should probably move our chat c64ward until the offical one starts [21:01] Hi, Snog... everyone. [21:02] hi [21:02] pssst, it's official already, jbevren [21:02] I probably could have a PC-10 up and running if I have a good PSU for 2-3 years solid. [21:02] *props the door open......looks like a crowd is comming* [21:02] * jbevren throws on naruto 87 :) [21:03] i have mine next to me - may have to store it to make room in this tiny room. :P [21:03] Heck a C-128 can be up and running solid but again good software can be written for a PC-10. [21:03] Well, hope I don't miss too much, gotta do laundry :P Be back when done....now AFK [21:03] I'm still undecided about where to install my c128 [21:03] laundry? why didn't ya do that 2 hours ago? :p [21:03] was swimming :) [21:04] * RobertB (RobertB@host-69-19-144-56.rev.o1.com) has joined #c64friends [21:04] Hi Robert [21:04] Howdy RobertB [21:04] Robert Bernardo is here [21:04] i'm wondering if q-basic will work on my pc-10?? [21:04] Hi Robert :) [21:04] Hi Robert! [21:04] hey, robert! [21:04] Hi, ***, Snog, Rick, and wow... everybody. [21:04] yep busy room heh [21:04] had to finish up about then...wish we did a washer/drier tho so I could do it here and chat, not a laundrymat [21:05] Yes, it is. [21:05] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [21:05] So, let's start the par-taaayyyyy! *cranks up SID tunes* [21:05] Hi, Cameron. [21:05] Howdy CDKaiser [21:05] hello, all [21:05] I believe so. More RAM can be added if someone wants to make the upgrades. [21:05] hi, Robert. [21:05] Hi CDK [21:06] Oh, no, not the SID tunes... you'll get on Jeri's nerves. [21:06] wasn't q-basic originally in ROM? [21:06] lol [21:06] Hey Cameron! [21:06] hi, Larry! [21:06] Cameron! [21:06] I haven't checked but I thought it was packaged on disk. [21:06] o my [21:06] Snog: Some of the original IBM PC's had something akin to GW-BASIC inROM. [21:06] No SID tunes then ^_^ [21:06] hi, Ray [21:06] still trying to fix my 116 ^^ [21:06] here comes the chat [21:06] YES SID tunes [21:07] What is wrong with 116 ? [21:07] my ntsc one still works last I knew heh [21:07] Well, if need be one can always use headphones to play the sids :) [21:07] Oh, Jeri has a 116 that needs repair. [21:07] 116? [21:07] I'm listening to dixieland right now [21:07] well, that's just it [21:07] Stream it. Play it, Humm it. [21:07] lol [21:07] Yes, a Commodore 116. [21:07] the 116 NTSC TED is not behaving, I need to do some more tinkering with it [21:08] listening to a radio program [21:08] Saw something I hadn't seen for many montha at anty thrifts around here.. a 64 system... [21:08] I'll figure it out one of these days as soon as I get some time to sit down and work on it [21:08] Are they dumping them, Larry? [21:08] I play some Joachim Wijnhoven - Koyaanisqatsi [21:08] I was in a Goodwill and a Salvation Army this afternoon, no computers of any kind were around [21:08] none around here either [21:09] I pretty much don't make thrift shop runs anymore [21:09] Had a breadbox 64, 1541 (gate latch), 1702 etc. looked in nice shape, $99 was a bit high though (actually $50, discount day) [21:09] Snogpitch: That's amazing, usually there are at least a few about. [21:09] * BruceT (~chatzilla@S01060004e24fa9e1.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [21:09] howdy, Bruce [21:09] Howdy BruceT [21:09] Too high, Larry. [21:09] Hi, Bruce. [21:09] hi Cameron [21:09] and everyone else [21:09] CDKaiser : kill Plus/4. I have one here hehe [21:09] Lately the only classic things I've seen at thrifts are Nintendos and Game Gears. [21:09] what kind of topics are in store this evening? [21:09] use Plus/4 working ted for 116 [21:10] actually, my TED is from a gutted Plus/4, as it happens ;) [21:10] thats where mine came from [21:10] Not clasic enough for me, Larry. [21:10] did u change the crystal? [21:10] no, I have to do that too [21:10] That is because many states are trying to make it illegal to have personal computers sold in Goodwill's [21:10] haven't gotten around to that yet [21:10] I just picked up a c16 today. Working. $5 [21:10] That is because many states are trying to make it illegal to have personal computers sold in Goodwill's and other such places [21:10] too many projects, not enough time ;) [21:10] it wont work until u do it [21:10] * RaYzor slaps CDKaiser around a bit with a large trout [21:10] * RaYzor slaps CDKaiser around a bit with a 50 lb Commodore SX64 Portable computer [21:10] well, i thought I might get it working in PAL mode, and just live with the B&W [21:11] nah change the crystal [21:11] why is that wild? [21:11] Well there are lot of PCs, being in Calif. there are ALOT of computer stuff at thrifts, mostly PC stuff. [21:11] Save it for repairing a Plus4, Jeri. [21:11] I just need to reassemble everything [21:11] u gotta use the crystal [21:11] awww, I like 16s! [21:11] *pokes RobertB* [21:11] where did you buy it, Jeri? [21:11] I like the c16, but not the arrow keys. [21:11] Nah, SX64's only weigh 25 pounds. [21:11] Because they want old PCs disposed of in different manners. AKA recycled [21:11] I found it at a ooodwill.. CDK [21:11] depends on what's in the SX64 empty bay [21:12] The 16 arrows are certainly better then the Plus/4s [21:12] bet it wasn't down here though. ^_^ [21:12] wild: ahh ok [21:12] yeah, more or less recycling old pc's for chips and whatnot.. [21:12] the 116 is the future of keyboard layout [21:12] True, the arrow keys are not well-placed on a C16. [21:12] Yeah, those are some funky arrow keys. Not much surface to punch. [21:12] especailly the original version [21:12] and the travel depth is funny on them [21:12] the 116 diamond isn't much better [21:12] At least they are trying. [21:12] I liked the plus 4 diamond a lot. [21:12] is the 116 the same as the C16? [21:12] 116 diamond should be standard issue on todays keyboards [21:12] it is magnificent! [21:13] no [21:13] http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/x64.html [21:13] there's a picture (of Ray's unit as it happens) of a 116 there [21:13] I need to hack a c64 into a plus4 case. :)) [21:13] The states are simply "trying" but not necassarily suceeding [21:13] think a 16 in a membrane keyboard and a tiny case, and you're close [21:13] er, Chiclet [21:13] not membrane [21:14] Kind of hard to get a C64 board into a Plus4 case. [21:14] membrane was the almighty MAX [21:14] wow was that fun to type on [21:14] another keyboard I can't stand ;) [21:14] * mike (~spamme@180.cust18.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) has joined #c64friends [21:14] I need to drag my Max to the next VCF [21:14] Maybe a new 64 board the old board woudn't fit. [21:14] Howdy mike [21:14] Mike hello [21:14] hi, Mike [21:14] hello everyone!! [21:14] Well there are a lot of "recycling" places poping up selling old computers I see. Have not seen any selling Commodores yet though [21:14] Hi, Mike. [21:14] Hello mike [21:14] C16 is a C64 without USER port or Cartridge port. [21:15] no, it isn't [21:15] it's a totally different architecture [21:15] Maybe I could saw the board in half and solder all the connections. :) [21:15] It is less than that...less memory as well [21:15] Here in Edmonton we HAVE to take old PC's to recycle center. [21:15] I thought a C16 was a dumbed down Plus4? [21:15] ESC where left shift should be? BRILLIANT!! [21:15] the CPU is similar, but the TED is much unlike the VIC-II and SID (and, for that matter, the CIAs) [21:15] hope everyone is doing well :) [21:15] And tehy charge $4 to take an old monitor off your hands. [21:15] I really want some tapes or something of old COmmodore design meetings [21:15] A split-level board, Jeri. [21:15] yes, Snogpitch, the 16 is -48K and without 3+1 (small loss ;) ) [21:16] OOPS, did someone send me a private message ??? I think i accidently closed the WRONG window !!!!! [21:16] Any place to find C= equipment in Edmonton, Bruce. [21:16] Mezzanine style Robert. :) [21:16] 3 Plus 1 was the best office suite ever. [21:16] I am angered it did so badly [21:16] [21:16] nice euphemism, Jeri ^^ [21:16] actually, Bo Zimmerman likes it a lot [21:16] but then, he listens to KISS, so you have to take that in context *evil grin* [21:16] Depends how much of what you want Robert. I have a surprise waiting for you when you arrive. [21:16] Ah, mezzanine... with a balcony? ;-) [21:16] Not many Commodores anymore they peaked at thrifts about 3 years back, now mostly old PCs and Mac (but not G4s ior iMacs :-( ) [21:16] Rayzor: definitly beats out the bloatware of today for sure [21:17] what types of Macs, Larry? [21:17] although I'm mostly looking for PowerBooks [21:17] I mean 400mb to install a word processor? Yeesh [21:17] I used 3+1 for years at school. [21:17] Kiss is pretty terrible [21:17] you did, Jeri? [21:17] wow [21:17] Oh, no, Bruce... I will have only one suitcase and one camera bag. [21:17] I'm, um, impressed ;) [21:17] CDK: Hey, dont know KISS!! I went and saw them when they toured in Australia with the MSO, it was brilliant! [21:17] Yow, Plus4 at school! [21:18] I had to split the doc's in half. I thinjk it only could hold 256 lines of text. [21:18] Jerz0r : how did u get a Plus/4 to _RUN_ for years? those things had more hardware failures than Fireston tires [21:18] *laughs* I'm kidding, Mike, I've secretly got "Rock'n'Roll All Night" somewhere on this Mac [21:18] You may want to look into Truck Rental costs..... [21:18] That sounds right, Jeri. [21:18] Mostly 680x0s sometimes I see a Performa PPC now and again. [21:18] I used GEOS in school...at the time I was doing full Geopublished reports and wowing the teachers heh. [21:18] My plus 4 ran and ran with no problems. [21:18] I have had more dead ones than anything [21:18] and a few dead 16's [21:18] Boing! Kind of hard to put a truck on WestJet, Bruce. [21:18] actually, I did use the spreadsheet for a budget program for awhile [21:18] and that wasn't too bad, although the manual recalculation was a real pain in the rear [21:18] CDK: Phew, ok, i'll cancel that call to Gene Simmons then, guess the satanic sacrifice he was planning will have to be a goat instead.... ;) [21:19] ***, that is great. [21:19] Jens has several tubes of the TED chips. [21:19] heh [21:19] Auto-recalc all the way. [21:19] The problem in the Plus/4 is weak PSUs like the C64 and the chips run warm. [21:19] But do the TED chips work, Jeri? [21:20] Give the chips little heatsinks and it'll keep it cooled. [21:20] Brand spanking new ones. Robert. [21:20] 3 plius one was written by 20 data or was it data 20. There are Plus/4 versions of EasyScript and EasyCalc (plus/Script and Plus/Calc respectively), I have one or both on cart... [21:20] Wild:I prefer little fans...then they *really* stay cool [21:20] Yow, a treasure trove of TEDs... at treasure-like prices? [21:20] (and a new power supply of course) [21:20] .. and I read you could replace the 3+1 rom with a cart rom to get the program 'inside' the Plus/4 [21:20] If you can fit it in. [21:20] I bet the chips broke down from the voltage 12 supply. [21:21] Maybe for the PSU but the casing of the Plus/4 is tight. [21:21] Naughty power supplies! [21:21] was, the PLUS/4 originally meant to have much higher quality programs built in instead of the crappy 3/1 stuff? [21:21] * Greg_-_ (~ajirc@mki8-pl-ri8.kos.net) has joined #c64friends [21:21] hi Greg_-_ [21:21] Hi, Greg. [21:21] Howdy Greg_-_ [21:21] ORIGINALLY. [21:21] Rayzor. :) [21:21] greg [21:21] Dave. [21:21] JB. [21:21] hi greg [21:21] mitchell [21:21] I have the disk version of 3+1 around here somewhere [21:21] lo' greg nacu [21:21] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:21] The plus 4 was supposed to have a slot to install custom software. [21:21] what's goin on? [21:21] funs on a 64 [21:22] Jeri. [21:22] hey greg! [21:22] runs rather [21:22] Dunno about 3+1 too much except there is a bug in the database. [21:22] Funny, its my birthday today. [21:22] hi Greg [21:22] ah. Hi Cham. Don7t recognize you. [21:22] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [21:22] Oh Hey Bruce. :) [21:22] Do you mean the Plus4 cart slot, Jeri. [21:22] well, 64 is fun too! :) [21:22] grrr [21:22] Hi, again, Cameron. [21:22] heh. just joining everyone greeting ya. :) [21:22] No. A place to plug the roms in. [21:22] Thought I'd join in tonight and see what all the fuss is about... [21:22] How many of you guys are on C64's in this channel? [21:22] jerz0r, slot or a rom socket like the C128 has on it's motherboard? [21:22] Greg_-_ : I am on a VIC 20 [21:22] unexpanded! [21:22] Ray... Vic20's can do IRC?? [21:23] nah [21:23] hehehe [21:23] greg, I'm *next* to a Commodore a/t/m, close enough? ^^ [21:23] I was kidding [21:23] but I have before [21:23] u get a shell account [21:23] no he is sitting on the Vic20, its his chair :) [21:23] dial in with the 1011a cart and a modem [21:23] and yer on [21:23] Ray! that's great. [21:23] Its kinda hard to read [21:23] but it works [21:23] ChatZilla. I will try to be on a 64 next week. Got to get that latest version of WiNGS. [21:23] Heh *next* to a 64, 128, sx-64, and lots of addons [21:23] there's a 40 column VICTerm somewhere, I think [21:23] LYNX in 22 columns? OH HELL YES [21:23] close enough? ;) [21:23] I have that one, CDKaiser [21:23] I used it for a bit [21:23] brb [21:23] yeah, a vic could do it with a Shell account. [21:23] which is also pretty darn illegible as well [21:23] what? you don't use the Data 80 cart? [21:24] none of it is nice [21:24] oh, that's true! [21:24] I prefer IRC on my wristeatch if I have to [21:24] heheh [21:24] I forgot about the Data 80 [21:24] afk for a few [21:24] This was an unexpanded, stock vic with a modem guys [21:24] no addons hehe [21:24] Anyone's birthday today besides mine. [21:24] Soon as greg gets stocked up on hardware I'll be around on some more appropriate equipment [21:24] need to pump up that VIC20, RaYzor [21:24] I'm working on that. [21:24] neve [21:24] I'm just lazy, or I'd have the DCR hooked up with Novaterm [21:24] rthe VIC stays normal [21:24] Lantronix UDSes are fun boxes ^^ [21:24] HAPPY BIRTHDAY WildStar! [21:24] Does Raymond Day drop in here? [21:25] its not serial numbered, runs as hot as hell, and has an fcc waiver sticker and a PET keyboard [21:25] this vic is stock [21:25] I Adore my 64. I LOVE my UDS-10! [21:25] Yippie - another year of chaotic life has gone by [21:25] yes, that and the SwiftLink were probably the two purchases I got the most mileage out of for my 128 [21:25] Raymond Day sent me a UDS-10 to test and try getting it to work with WiNGs... [21:25] Wildstar - how old are you now? [21:25] but I don't have a clue how to useit. [21:25] Wildstar: One foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel? :) [21:25] it runs in either modem mode or SLIP/PPP mode [21:26] 23 chaotic years [21:26] Bruce... How do you use the UDS-10? Do you give it AT commands? [21:26] I don't know how to configure Wings SLIP or PPP interfaces, but in modem mode, you can just send it AT commands, yes [21:26] Did you get any dox with it Greg? [21:26] In the transition. [21:26] something like ATDT10.0.0.1/23 opens a telnet connection to 10.0.0.1 [21:26] AT command to dial to an IP Address. [21:26] Bruce... no dox. But I did get something off their website. [21:26] you have to configure this for modem mode, it's not in it by default [21:26] But it has to be configured first. [21:26] connect a terminal up to it at 9600bps 8-n-1 and hold down the X key [21:26] AH SLASH! [21:26] it should drop into the monitor mode [21:27] Don't recall how many before chaotic [21:27] I hope I get my annex figured out soon [21:27] it can do terminal routing as well as ppp [21:27] jonas, you have an Xylogics Annex?? [21:27] I was typing atdt192.168.1.100:23 and it wasn't connecting to anything. [21:27] Slash rules [21:27] no, [21:27] I have an Annex server [21:27] [15Title]14 +$ Loving The Alien [15Artist]14 +$ Velvet Revolver [15Album]14 +$ Contraband [15Length]14 6:35 [15Bitrate]14 215 [21:27] its what ISPs use to provide dialup lines [21:27] yes, a terminal server [21:27] with multiple serial ports [21:27] right? [21:27] mine's an older unit [21:27] yeah 8 [21:27] I use two on my SGI [21:27] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-223-144.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [21:27] Howdy LordRonin [21:27] the SGI has no video/keyboard port [21:28] I'm trying to get the old Xylogics Annex that the university I used to work for is retiring [21:28] so its net or serial for it [21:28] CDKaiser I tried the X key hold down thing, and it wouldn't enter into the setup mode... Don'tknow why. [21:28] hellow, LR [21:28] hmm [21:28] Greg, where did you get the device from? [21:28] if you can get docs your set [21:28] the xylogics are tough to find updates for [21:28] Oh, I just got a EZDrive-135 with 3 135 MBYTES of EZ Disks [21:28] Raymond Day mailed one to me for Testing. [21:28] there was a jerk on eBay who was selling defective UDS-10s [21:28] Raymond assures me this one is working. [21:28] mine was one of those, and I eventually sent it back to Lantronix since it was under warranty [21:28] I'm back. [21:28] greetings, LR!! [21:28] hmm [21:28] Greg_-_: didnt we use 2400bps to get into setup with Ray's? [21:28] Hi, LordRonin. [21:28] oh man this string is killer :) [21:29] and you're sure that you're connecting to it at 9600bps 8-n-1? [21:29] jb... I don7tknow... did we? [21:29] that's default [21:29] Greg, it has been well over a year since I configured mine. Shall have to peek at the dox. [21:29] Hoi All, found out what happend to me last week. Power outage at VCS. Then Rod had to shut dwon for a while to reboot things. That explains why the on/off last week. [21:29] hi lord [21:29] hang on, I've got mine right next to me [21:29] I'm using 8-n-1, but at 56700 I can get to the point where I an give it AT commands. [21:29] let me get the manual out [21:29] Cameron, who was that jeri on eBay? [21:29] it was not Jeri, she's not a jerk ;) [21:29] I forget the name [21:29] WB RobertB [21:29] Sorry, jerk... not Jeri. [21:29] Hoi Chameleon [21:29] haha. [21:29] I do have it in my armory E-mail box, so I can dig it up [21:29] :( I'm sad. [21:30] hehe [21:30] jeri != jerk. :) [21:30] Hi Jeri. /me waves. [21:30] hows things, LR? your bbs doing okay? [21:30] Hoi mike [21:30] Sad... why is that, Jeri? [21:30] WATCH the keys boys [21:30] okay [21:30] Everyone thinks I'm the bigest lame Jerk in the world. [21:30] BBS is still running, well not at the moment. As I'm using the 128D for the irc. [21:30] direct quote from the manual, here [21:30] Innocent typo :) [21:30] Nah, Jeri... everyone thinks you're cool. [21:31] :) [21:31] aahhh. sharing the same line (bbs/calling out). :) [21:31] "For local configuration, a terminal r PC running a terminal emulation program can be connected to the UDS-10's serial port. The terminal ... should be configured for 9600 baud, 8 -bit, no parity, and 1 stop bit" [21:31] brb. Must figure out the cabling on my parents" t.v. [21:31] Jerz0r: awwwww, poor Jeri, we don't think your a jerk, we're the warm and fuzzy CBM community !! [21:31] * mike suggests a big CBM Community Group Hug for Jeri [21:31] * Jerz0r is now known as Jerkz0r [21:31] Yeah it is the BBS line and my Inet line. Have to look next week in the boxes for that AR cart. [21:31] Jolz was on #wgs last night. [21:32] They got Watson configured to do WiNGs development. [21:32] * Snogpitch is warm, but not fuzzy [21:32] "To enter Setup Mode, cycle the UDS-10's power. After power-up, the self-test begins and the Diagnostic and Status LEDs start blinking ... the easiest way to enter Setup Mode is to hold down the 'x' key on your keyboard while powering up the UDS-10" [21:32] drinking hasn't started yet [21:32] you have to get those x's typed within one second [21:32] What happened to the swrap site? BTW [21:32] okay! looking forward to that, LR! [21:32] so you might not have been typing fast enough -- if it doesn't get three within one second, it switches into its current configuration [21:32] also [21:32] how is it hotter now than at midday? [21:32] Jerkz0r the one the were discussing at the Future of Commodore discussion? [21:32] its boiling in here [21:33] if you have it hooked to the network, and you know its address (either by DHCP or hard set), you can Telnet to it on port 9999 [21:33] Looks like Cameron found his manual sooner than I did. [21:33] I noticed SWRAPs site the other day...VCS redirect it looks to be [21:33] Cham: still working on thawt Geos AD&D adventure for L.S. Now it seems I agreed to make adventures in Dungeon Creator for L.S. Can't say no to C= things [21:33] *winks at Bruce* [21:33] too slow, my friend ;) [21:33] My router is borked, and doesn't seem to do DHCP properly. [21:33] Oh. Swrapexpo is back up. Never mind. [21:33] you'll have to hard set it probably [21:33] mine's hardcoded to 10.0.0.10, for example [21:33] heh [21:33] Hello all! Back from afksville! [21:34] mine's running linux! [21:34] :D [21:34] Hoi Dracosilv [21:34] CDK... well, how do you hard set it if you can't login through the serial port? [21:34] Hey, dracosilv. [21:34] oh, I thought ya meant the club's website, not the expo site [21:34] hello all. [21:34] that was the symptom that mine was exhibiting, actually [21:34] it would not go into setup [21:34] I got greg a linux box but it didnt work out [21:34] but did you read what I typed earlier, Greg? [21:34] We are talking about Jeri, the C-1 and also a potental 65c265 CPU accelerator as well as other stuff. [21:34] I typed in the instructions for getting into the setup [21:34] *elbows* [21:34] JB... I have that box here, It just refuses to work with the T232. :( [21:34] Was the swrap club site down? [21:34] I'm back. T.V. fixed. [21:34] Greg_-_: try with a duart some time [21:34] for all of you who don't know... i finally got 64hdd working, and it's great... Thanx to Nick for creating it! [21:34] I'm curious [21:35] Hi, Draco. [21:35] wb Robert [21:35] JB... Yeah, I'm actually ordering some Duarts. [21:35] Greg_-_: there's got to be some electrical difference [21:35] good, cause I want one :) [21:35] * Cham\CSD (realchamel@ACAD2C7F.ipt.aol.com) Quit [21:35] the swrap club site was redirecting to VCS [21:35] back [21:35] howdy, Jim [21:36] wb Jim [21:36] Hi Jim. [21:36] hola, scanned logs [21:36] Greg, what does it do when it powrs up? "if no DHCP Server exists the UDS-10 will respond with a diagnostic error: the red diagnostic LED blinks continuously [21:36] i may have some photo updates by the weekend on my site: http:/earth.prohosting.com/dsilver. [21:36] If folks want, I'll set up my VIC via tcpser to get in here [21:36] and the Green Status LED blinks 5 times [21:36] Bruce... What if you boot it up Not connected to an Ethernet cable? [21:36] I think that's only if it's rigged for DHCP, BruceT [21:36] Greg_-_: it wouldnt get dhcp for sure :) [21:36] if it's hard coded to an address, I don't think it checks [21:36] JB... hehe... why not? :) jk [21:37] Jim_Brain: might be a bit crowded here to read on a vic :) [21:37] I have a data80 cart here as well [21:37] I would think it would do the same as it comes enabled for DHCP and will give errors if it doesn't find a server. [21:37] Greg_-_: sudden evil thought: wireless eth bridge [21:37] trying to think if I have a term [21:37] Jim_Brain: elite. go for it :) [21:37] right, Bruce, but we don't know the setup of his box [21:37] and since it's taking AT commands at 57.6k, someone has preconfigured it [21:37] * MikeC (~chatzilla@CPE0004e289e6d6-CM000a73664c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:37] I wanted one of those [21:37] so it's not "pure" anymore -- its network settings could be anything [21:37] Hi, MikeC. [21:37] Yeah, they need to release an 802.11 UDS device. [21:37] AFK - making dinner. [21:38] Hi Everyone! [21:38] working on it [21:38] Hoi MikeC [21:38] nod :) [21:38] bye, Pna. [21:38] Howdy MikeC [21:38] code is done [21:38] brb.. potty and ice cream :) [21:38] potty and ice cream together? [21:38] What are you working on Jim_Brain? [21:38] yike. [21:38] -s. [21:38] right CDK [21:38] Bye, Pnaco. [21:38] hi MikeC [21:38] seeya pnacolada. [21:38] 802.11 uds [21:38] * mike is now known as MikeP [21:38] There is a reset switch on the unit beside the RJ45 jack [21:39] or something along that line [21:39] :) [21:39] wired ethernet is easier, tho [21:39] so it'll be first [21:39] Greg: will you be importing the PC-KEYB interface from the IDE64 guys?? [21:40] Greg, do you have a Linux box on your network? there might be a way to cheat by forging an ARP entry [21:40] something that figs in the size of a t232 cartridge that does 802.11 and plugs into a C64's expansion port would RULE. [21:40] swrap.net name has expired according to the latest look [21:40] MikeP... I wasn't planning on it. At least not right away. [21:40] oh cool idea greg... [21:40] CDK... no. [21:40] WIRELESS C64 LAN PARTY! [21:40] or, NetBSD would be even better. [21:40] * Alan (~yeahright@67.129.208.89) has joined #c64friends [21:40] heh. [21:40] but I'm a NetBSD bigot. [21:40] O.K., where is Dave Ross when you need him? :-) [21:40] hi, Alan. [21:40] MikeC: Quick questions. In c.s.c you mentioned the post-BBS years for Terminal Velocity's sysop. Long story short, did he go to jail or something? [21:40] Hi everyone [21:40] Hi, Alan. [21:40] http://members.aol.com/rgharris/ does still work to get there tho [21:41] yep, the idea is to emulate the 6551 [21:41] greg: I highly recommend it. I ordered one ages ago when I placed the order for my IDE64 and only just got around to connecting it up, it's fantastic! [21:41] hi alan [21:41] and support IEC protocol [21:41] Jim, good choice -- 6551 would be great [21:41] * antigen (na@216-203-250-65-phx-01.cvx.algx.net) has joined #c64friends [21:41] Hi, antigen. [21:41] JLawless, not that I know of. From what I was told, there were legal issues. [21:41] Hoi Alan [21:41] hi, Antigen [21:41] MikeP... I really prefer my 128D keyboard to most PC keyboard configurations. [21:41] Hoi antigen [21:41] hold on while I adblock that atrocious background image [21:41] Hi Alan [21:41] Yeah, the 128D keyboard! [21:41] howdy antigen [21:41] Wow, knock down a wall, it is a mob tonight. Hi Antigen! [21:42] Has anyone here ever used the Dungeon Creator from Load Star? [21:42] a keyboard is really what makes a commodore feel like a commodore. Imo. [21:42] that's not World Maker, is it? [21:42] hello c64 friends [21:42] World Maker, yes ... since I wrote that ;) [21:42] a commodore keyboard that is. hehe. [21:42] Greg: But for C64 users it gives a much better option that the normal keyboard, even for C128 it means access to high quality keyboards of choice. [21:42] Not I, LordRonin. Have you tried it out? [21:42] ok now that I can read the page :) [21:43] MikeP... yeah, Agreed. Brown Betty C64's are not all that fun to type on. [21:43] No CDKaiser Came out around #73-76 Then released around issue # 163-165. Written by David Caruso II [21:43] heh [21:43] never heard 'em called brown bettys [21:43] Greg: They are like typing on a sponge with keycaps glued on :) [21:43] I always thought of em as breadboxes [21:43] i agree jbevren, that background is a bit busy... [21:43] Hello MikeC [21:43] MikeP... with a PC Keyboard adaptor, it really makes you want to mount the C64 motherboard in a flat box or a tower of some kind. [21:43] They are alot better then PET keyboards (hollow knunk or calculator key smash) [21:44] I just set my proxy to not load the image :) [21:44] Hi Wildstar [21:44] it needs to be lightened... [21:44] Hawven't messed with World Maker [21:44] How's it going ? [21:44] I thought the breadboxes were so ugly and un-cool at the time. Now I wish I had one. [21:44] MikeP... with that Adaptor... where is the restore key? and the Control and C= keys? [21:44] Greg: funny you should mention that, i've just got an old AT Tower case for just that purpose. [21:44] Wildstar, Good. What's new with you? [21:44] besides, when I type on a Commodore, I'm used to the Commodore layout [21:45] probably start key and context menu keys.... [21:45] just a guess. [21:45] hm [21:46] my keyboard has a \ above enter [21:46] good place for a restore key :) [21:46] no more hitting RESTORE with my right index finger, huh? [21:46] hmm [21:46] Other than celebrate another year of chaos [21:46] Greg: the restore key is PageUP. The other keys (CTRL and Commdodore) are in the same "location" as their Commodore counterparts [21:46] MikeP... OH... GOOD. :) [21:46] Greg: Which means TAB is CONTROL [21:46] So, the tab key on the ... [21:46] EXCELLENT. [21:46] i'll be afk for a bit... [21:47] Greg: CTRL becomes Commodore [21:47] Greg: CAPS LOCK becomes Shift Lock and so on [21:47] Good, because WiNGs remaps the Standard Commodore keyboard to make the Control key a Tab key... Go figure. :) So that means it would map it correctly with the PC Keyboard adaptor. [21:47] quite sweet :) [21:47] lol, remapping a remap [21:47] MikeC - now have an EZDrive with 3 135 MByte Disk [21:47] In deed. [21:47] Greg: hehe yeah it would too! [21:48] hey, how can I adapt a C116 keyboard for my PC? :) [21:48] yeah... [21:48] Anyway... [21:48] you are a true masochist, Ray [21:48] where does the up arrow/pi key get mapped to? [21:48] CDKaiser : heheh its such a good keyboard tho! [21:48] RaYzor: someone's doing a c64 keyb mod [21:48] I should get out of here. I'm working hard on a New WiNGs program for the GUI. [21:48] its a usb thingy that you can program [21:48] I _LOVE_ the C64 kb .. especially the first generation white ones [21:48] it'll be a standard usb kbd, but with a c64 mech on it [21:48] New? [21:48] care to tell us about it, Greg_-_? [21:48] the key travel of 4 inches is appreciated [21:49] Joe: not sure, can't remember [21:49] RaYzor: typewriter? :) [21:49] ah, s00per s3kr1t projects [21:49] jbevren : what do u mean [21:49] 4 inch travel [21:49] SnogPitch... actually... it's a secret for now. I reveal no details for at least another month. [21:49] mechanical typewriters have a good 1.5 [21:49] no C64 [21:49] knew it. [21:49] But it's pretty advanced. [21:49] but I agree Rayz.. I use a sun type 5c keyboard [21:49] Wildstar, oh yeah...ez-drive? I use to have a SyJet. [21:49] MikeP: I use a Sony MO drive [21:49] I finally installed Wings on my IDE64 Compact Flash [21:50] 540M [21:50] its on my keyboard though, not my c= [21:50] expecting to get blown away again then Greg. LOVED the new MAIL features! [21:50] Snogpitch: how's the speed on the CF? [21:50] BTW... there is an ENORMOUS bug in the version of Mail that is on that disk. [21:50] thats what I plan to do [21:50] Hehehe - might be usable for a temporary storage medium for a C= [21:50] mass-storage medium [21:50] never did time it actually [21:50] I've already fixed the bugs,but I'm working on some way to make updating easier. [21:50] * rergergee (THAD33___@ip68-108-224-116.br.no.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [21:50] Ooo, how is it working, Snog? [21:50] alot faster than running off the 1581 tho :) [21:51] Wildstar: picture game distribution on CF :) [21:51] Hi, rergergee. [21:51] Hoi regergee [21:51] hey all.... [21:51] it'&s about 72kB per second read. [21:51] Snogpitch: acceptable then? [21:51] howdy [21:51] greg, is that native speed, or SCPU speed? [21:51] Yeah, have thoughts on that jbevren [21:51] Greg_-_: I can live with that (thi sis the CF read?) [21:51] jbreven: sorry what was that about your 540mb Sony drive? [21:51] CDK... I've never tested it for a stock system. [21:51] MikeP: you were mentioning removeable storage [21:51] thought I'd toss mine in :) [21:51] hmm [21:52] jbreven: I mentioned the IDE64 yeah [21:52] JB... yah, CF is as fast as with an IDE HD Mech. [21:52] yeh [21:52] Greg_-_: good :) [21:52] mine is set up for my SCPU, so I'm not gonna try it on a stock system [21:52] MikeP: I'm waiting for greg's supplier to catch up so I can get mine [21:52] Hey, Jeri is now Jerkz0r! [21:52] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:52] jbreven: you have one too? they're cool arent they. have you joined the mailing list? [21:52] RobertB: be nice to my girl :) [21:52] just noticed that, RobertB? [21:52] MikeP: I'm waiting to get one ;) [21:52] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [21:53] stupid client! [21:53] yeah, on the IDE64 mailing list they are currently discussing the beta testing of the New v9 IDEDOS. [21:53] Howdy CDKaiser, again [21:53] jbreven: ahh ok, well it's a fine bit of equipment I tell ya [21:53] * CDKaiser kicks ircLE. [21:53] CDK just don't say that in the O.R> [21:53] Yes, Snog. [21:53] I just joined the IDE64 mailing list a couple days ago [21:53] no, no, that's stupid *patient* [21:53] it has better support in the FileMan for CMD Directories and partitions I believe. [21:53] when is the new version of IDEDOS comming out.. it is suppose to support REL files. [21:53] Greg: Yeah I know, i'm the one with the CMD equipment and stuff that just joined the list. I have the newest beta installed [21:54] Including REL file bugs? [21:54] MikeP... oh cool. [21:54] How does a REL file work on a CBM fs? [21:54] I took my RamLink off the setup I'm running now [21:54] * RajW (~darkone@68-184-83-64.cpe.ga.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [21:54] Hoi! [21:54] hello, Raj [21:54] Howdy RajW [21:54] Hoi Raj [21:54] Greg: the new beta is good. at least it doesnt conflict with JD anymore [21:54] Hi, Raj. [21:54] Hi Raj [21:54] Hey RajW! [21:55] 64hdd will do for me right now thank you very much. [21:55] Hi Raj [21:55] MikeP... you mean the function keys? [21:55] Ahh my wonderful C64 criends! [21:55] * jbevren pokes at Jim_Brain :) [21:55] got the vic up? :) [21:55] LR: I've looked at that Dungeon Creator program... looks kind of neat. [21:55] welcome raj [21:55] REL files store a list of blocks in the first few blocks as a map so that individual records can be retrieved randomly. [21:55] Greg: Yeah thats it [21:55] Hey, everybody... what does everybody use to easily copy USR files? [21:55] REL files are forked files per se [21:55] depends on what type of USR file it is [21:55] one fork has the data [21:55] Pnacolada: Did you do any creation with it? [21:55] Wheels [21:55] the other has a map to the data :) [21:55] do you mean VLIR or regular SEQ? [21:55] JLawless... ah. SOunds like VLIR. [21:55] heh. [21:55] I've never gotten to sone of the expos... but this is close enough for me. [21:55] CDK beat me to it. [21:55] er, that was to Robert ^^ [21:55] I think OmegaQII does USR file copy [21:56] VLIR is likewise forked but instead of a direct map, it has a resource directory [21:56] LR: Tried to. It's been a while. I'll have to play with it some :) [21:56] USR files can be anything if they are on GEOS, watch out. [21:56] hm [21:56] Greg_: They essitenally have a FAT unique to that file as part of the file. [21:56] I owe David Caruso and L.S. a 15 part campaign [21:56] I think Jim is talking about side sectors, actually [21:56] trying to remember how exactly vlir works :) [21:56] jbevren. Can;t find a good term for the IVIC yet [21:56] * jbevren grins at jim [21:56] (to Greg) [21:56] Ah, Wheels... why couldn't I remember that? [21:56] Side sectors are in REL files... [21:56] * TheFatman (~TheFatman@user13.net1266.tx.sprint-hsd.net) has joined #c64friends [21:56] Howdy TheFatman [21:56] gotta go, my dad's nagging for me to leave and go to bed, plus it's time for online tonight w/david lawrence... one of my most favorite shows... [21:56] greg: plus a few new setup options like setting the bootup colours and disabling a device if not used [21:56] any ideas [21:57] I just want to get a hold of Jim B's Super-X1541. :) [21:57] Hi, TheFatman. [21:57] LR: Really? Sounds ambitious. I had an idea kicking around in my head based off a TSR card game, Dungeon! for a while. [21:57] Pnacolada: The dox orginal and the repints missed a few things [21:57] hey everyone [21:57] Random access to the middle of a file should be done without the need for an index. [21:57] Raj, adding directory code now [21:57] right, Robert asked about USR files and I asked VLIR vs. SEQ, and then JimL's got REL files, which do have side sectors, and this is very confusing /) [21:57] Hi Fatman [21:57] FAT/FAL systems are good for that [21:57] hello, TFM [21:57] Jim... very cool! Are you in need of any hardware? [21:57] the REL's side sector list is kinda like that [21:57] The USR files on the FD Utilities disk... that's what I was wanting to copy. [21:57] Adrian's gettting the code running at his site to work on JD support [21:57] i'm gonna be leaving.... [21:57] *boggle* [21:57] Uh, what kind a HW? [21:58] cya draco... [21:58] ... probably they're actually stored in SEQ format, unless you know for a fact that they're meant for GEOS [21:58] Bye, draco. [21:58] Pnacolada: Started on it long ago. Before RevDave took over L.S. Wrote the annodated dox for Fender and proofed a few Dungeons that were submitted to him. [21:58] Excellent. Any hardware to continue your project. [21:58] bye, Draco [21:58] wb, Pna ^^ [21:58] * TerryM (~tmaynor@cdm-66-76-201-177.eldr.cox-internet.com) has joined #c64friends [21:58] * C64er (~n8ie@cpe-024-033-151-250.woh.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:58] I seem to recall a bug in REL files where a comma or an exclamation point ( can't remember which ) written to a record would crash the file on a stock 1541. [21:58] Hi TerryM [21:58] Hi, TerryM and C64er. [21:58] Anyone know where I can get documentation how how a Geos Font File is structured? [21:58] hello, Terry [21:58] T$R mad Dungeon a frelling card game? I have a 75 and a 77 boxed set of the board agem in the shop. [21:58] Heya, Cameron :) [21:58] Pretty soon, I'll be looking for beta folks [21:58] ...and C64er [21:58] Hello [21:58] Hello all my fellow C64 friends! [21:58] Howdy TerryM [21:59] Hoi C64er and TerryM [21:59] it's always nic to see you guys every saturday... just before i go, how many of you are going to the SWRAP's fall expo? [21:59] Greg_-_: quick question btw. on an IDE64 with CF.. teh cf is master, and you just set your other device as slave? [21:59] me [21:59] I am going [21:59] Howdy C64er [21:59] JB... that's right. [21:59] JimBrain: What is your device meant to do? [21:59] I'm going. [21:59] Jim: cool. I have an STK 500 and 501 already. [21:59] depends on when it is, draco [21:59] i'll look at the chat logs if i can't see everybody's answer. [21:59] for whatever reason, you can't set the CF card as slave. [21:59] Hello Snog [21:59] If it's on Sept. 4, I'm going to miss the Fall Expo. [21:59] I try to make VCF at a minimum but more than that is dependent on my work schedule [21:59] Well, if you do, grab a 32 and I'll send code [21:59] I want to go to the fall expo [21:59] bye. [21:59] I'll miss it too, my 20th anniv. :-) [21:59] BYE Jeri [21:59] JB... you REALLY should come to the Fall expo. [21:59] WOW, 26 people - not including the ChanServ [21:59] Home you can make VCF for two days this year. [21:59] I will miss the fall expo too, more than likely. [21:59] I want to :) [22:00] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-31-173-5.wi.rr.com) has left #c64friends [22:00] Bye, Jeri. [22:00] By Jer [22:00] no, Jeri said she's going to the fall expo, silly [22:00] BCNU Jeri [22:00] JB: I've got a Mega128... that ok? [22:00] D'oh! [22:00] Opps [22:00] hello jeri [22:00] LR: Yeah... I've got it in my closet somewhere. Was thinking of adapting it to the 64, having a graphical dungeon and stuff. Maybe one of these years :) [22:00] Oy vey! [22:00] Oh, my mistake. [22:00] later Jeri [22:00] *laughs* [22:00] hehe. [22:00] MikeP. It's like a X1541, but it will work with XP or UNIX/Linux [22:00] Heh :) [22:00] geez it's 10 oclock already... Ok. I'm outta here! [22:00] Snog, how are things in Cicada Country today? [22:00] Night Greg. [22:00] Bye all. [22:01] Nite Greg [22:01] * Greg_-_ (~ajirc@mki8-pl-ri8.kos.net) Quit (Quit: /5) [22:01] Jim: Ok, now you've got me interested :) [22:01] Bye, greg. [22:01] -:- SignOff Greg_-_: #c64friends (Quit: /5) [22:01] ajirc [22:01] :) [22:01] Cicadas were really quiet today, managed to sleep in til 10am :) [22:01] seebya greg [22:01] the /5 is a buffer thing we havent figure dout [22:01] Jim, is it specific to Linux? [22:01] Pnacolada: sounds like a good idea. My game group and U.G. will beta -play test it for you ;-? [22:01] Robert, the USR files on the FD Tolls disk are GEOS files [22:01] I'd like to compile it on NetBSD -- I'm allergic to Linux ;) [22:01] Raj, not sure about the 128. You might need to fix some code to work on it, but it should work [22:01] heh [22:01] Yeah... JB's device is one of the coolest and most useful projects right now. [22:01] CDK, no [22:01] Ah, thanks, Bruce. [22:01] LR: Sure, why not? :) [22:01] Good, I heard they were LOUD in Cincy [22:01] Code is running on XP right now [22:01] * rergergee (THAD33___@ip68-108-224-116.br.no.cox.net) Quit (Quit: 13[03I was using Polaris CTCP 2001 1.0113] Webpage:[03http://www.polaris-central.com13] Wasted:[0312 Minutes and 22 Seconds Online13]) [22:01] most likely it would be for /mac68k or /macppc, so I might have to do some funking around with the serial code [22:01] Jim_Brain, when you need the beta testers are you going to post it on c.s.c? [22:02] JB. Cool... Is the code in C or ASM? [22:02] CDKaiser: How's netbsd on mips? :) [22:02] Mac OSX is a unic core, you aren't allergic to that? [22:02] C [22:02] So I assume Jeri isn't going yet [22:02] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@spc2-leed5-5-0-cust79.seac.broadband.ntl.com) has joined #c64friends [22:02] it's actually quite good, jonas ... do you run IRIX on your SGI? [22:02] All the code is in C. interface and server code [22:02] Jason! [22:02] Hi, Jason. [22:02] * jbevren waves! :) [22:02] * TMR{C0S} wanders in - is this the gay sex channel? =-) [22:02] howdy, Jason! [22:02] Snog, yes [22:02] JB: Ok. Cool. I have CodeVisionAVR so I can recompile it. [22:02] 'Lo jbev, all. =-) [22:02] RajW/Jim: sounds good, i've been looking for a good way to turn my commdore disks into .d64 images using Windows XP [22:02] But, I need to get more bugs fixed first [22:02] Hello Jason [22:02] CDKaiser: I run Linux on my origin, but irix on my O2 and octane [22:02] Pnacolada: Waht format would you use to create it, 3D like Rool of Radiance? [22:02] Hope Not TMR [22:02] Jim_Brain, I might be interested in checking that out [22:02] My test this next week is: [22:02] Jason, it's 3 in the morning where you are. [22:03] * TMR{C0S} asks that everyone uses TMR rather than his real name - it's 3am, i may not realise you mean me! [22:03] yeah... I'm tored of having to use DOS to access my 1541 drive. [22:03] load from a web site [22:03] Jonas, it should work great on your systems [22:03] check out http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/sgimips/ [22:03] LR: I'm a lousy programmer, just 2d, redefined character set if I can manage it. Would like to use some of LoadStar's ML programming toolkits in it. [22:03] Just take some caffeine, Ja... oops, TMR. [22:04] RajW: I've been trying to get my Catweasel to work and just can't seem to get it to read disks reliably, so Jims way may just be the ticket! [22:04] * TerryM (~tmaynor@cdm-66-76-201-177.eldr.cox-internet.com) Quit [22:04] TMR: Wrong plawce this is the miltant group plotting world domination with the sacred C= Personal Computer [22:04] I'd like to see dW and I get JDos speed on it first [22:04] before we beta anything [22:04] * TMR{C0S} looks at the cup of coffee sat next to his monitor... strong enough to support the bloody spoon on it's own! [22:04] I must admit, it is cool [22:04] TMR: Now that's good coffee :D [22:04] Mike... yeah. Me to. I have *never* been able to get my CatWeasel to work. :( [22:04] Saving files from my 64 to my PC [22:04] LR: Oh... no perversion then - what the hell am *i* doing here?! [22:04] Pnacolada: Did you get the CD from L.S.? There is a mess of tools on it. I have to fix my CD unit to read it though [22:04] Jim: JDos, wow, now i'm salivating :) [22:05] Yeah, dW sent me traces of the protocol [22:05] TMR: Being converted byt eh C= cult ;-? [22:05] * TerryM (~tmaynor@cdm-66-76-201-177.eldr.cox-internet.com) has joined #c64friends [22:05] what is dW? [22:05] The catweasel is a great piece of hardware... it just needs software. [22:05] Hi, TerryM, again. [22:05] Sorry, Adrian [22:05] dW is a fellow c64'er [22:05] He has a logic analyzer [22:05] Nah, started off with that particular cult and got into a load of other perversions later in life. =-) [22:05] had a problem [22:05] RajW: Did you ever have trouble installing the drivers for the card? [22:06] * levay (levay@isis.visi.com) has joined #c64friends [22:06] It's JDos compatible now from a command perspective [22:06] Mike... Yeah. It locked up my system HARD. [22:06] Hoi levay [22:06] Hi, Levay. [22:06] load "0//dir/to/file:file...",8 [22:06] * _Fungus_ (realfungus@c-67-161-102-126.client.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [22:06] <_Fungus_> hi hi [22:06] _Fungus_ NO!! [22:06] Hi, Fungus. [22:06] <_Fungus_> mwhaha [22:06] Fungus! [22:06] RajW: yeah me too, had to reboot and then it finished installing. Wierd thing was, when it came to installing the floppy driver, I ended up with way more drives listed than i had connected [22:06] TMR: C= isn't a perversion. Just a way of life. for us fanatics [22:06] <_Fungus_> TMR! [22:06] Hello fellow C=64 people...Craing from minnesota [22:06] <_Fungus_> :> [22:06] Hi Fungus [22:06] Howdy levay, and _Fungus_ [22:07] * TMR{C0S} waves at Fungus - 'lo lover. =-) [22:07] A way of life... yes. [22:07] TMR: Don't tell me it was a gateway for doing *gasp* Windows? [22:07] The Fungus amoung us! [22:07] RajW: Agreed, yeah, it's probably the software thats letting it down [22:07] TerryM from arkansas [22:07] <_Fungus_> jb, Mike, Robert, Raj, allz [22:07] Mike: Same here. :( The Catweasel was a waste of money for me. [22:07] LR: No, I didn't. Just have a bunch of back issues. The guy has Dungeon Creator available on his web site for download. [22:07] Are you there Robert B. from Fresno? [22:07] Hoi Fungus [22:07] TerryM: My wife is a RazorBack! [22:07] JoeCommod: nah, i'm still coding games from time to time... [22:07] Whew! [22:08] Yes, I am Robert Bernardo. [22:08] RajW: Did you ever get it to read disks? [22:08] RajW -> Atlanta, Georgia. [22:08] Just finishing off a C16 port of one of my older C64 titles... [22:08] Whens this year's MiniGame compo anyone know? [22:08] Pnacolada: YEah that is how i got into e-mail contact with David. Blew his mind whn I told him about the state of C= a couple years ago. [22:08] LR: He's moved to Eugene now, I guess. [22:08] Mike. Nope. I have never had any luck with the CatWeasel. :( [22:08] <_Fungus_> hoi LordRonin! [22:08] Minigame's already started i think - i'm not a fan so i don't follow it. [22:08] is there a minigame compo this year? [22:08] So his web site's on the same domain as LCCUG :) [22:09] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Mason really wants to tlak with you about wares :> [22:09] RajW: Oh, ok. I did get that far. Did you try downloading the latest driver from the Arjuna website? [22:09] This is Craig from SWRAP meet...we had a meal at Steak and Shake in Cicagoland along with a few others. [22:09] * _Fungus_ already started on his minigame [22:09] Pnacolada: Hmm don't know about that as it is the same David Caruso that does CSI Miami [22:09] * Andrew (~Axell@CPE00e07db9f398-CM014390038010.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [22:09] lol [22:09] * TMR{C0S} might crank out a CGC entry or two... [22:09] Howdy Andrew [22:09] Yes, Craig... I remember... and it's your first time here. [22:09] LR: errr... wouldn't know :) [22:09] Mike: yeah. I think it was dated 2003. Is there something newer? [22:09] <_Fungus_> TMR: your not a fan?? [22:09] hi [22:09] haven't seen any minigame announcement on c.s.c [22:09] hi, Craig L -- didn't see you come in [22:09] hello, Andrew [22:09] <_Fungus_> http://www.ffd2.com/minigame [22:10] RajW: I think thats the same one I downloaded, V 0303 [22:10] Dang minigame started June 01, didn't see a post on CSC.. Link: http://www.ffd2.com/minigame/ [22:10] send link to 64freind web site [22:10] Site's been updated. [22:10] Fungus: Old man here needs a reminder about Mason and Warez. Too sober tonight to think [22:10] Usually working or something and have a free night...running the Wave on the 64 into my local shell account and into irc. [22:10] JB: If you need any money for test boards made for your device... let me know ok? [22:10] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Heheheh [22:10] c64friend website? [22:10] Very nice, Craig! [22:10] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Btw, way cool hat! [22:10] http://www.geocities.com/c64friends [22:10] Raj, will do. Board is dirt simple [22:10] plz /topic the websit elink [22:10] 1 chip [22:10] So then brief the ancient hippy Fungus [22:10] 1 crystal [22:11] * TMR{C0S} makes the sign of the cross at the mention of Geocities... [22:11] one MAX232 (I guess that is 1 more chip) [22:11] JB: Cool. Well count me in for anything that you might need. [22:11] 2 caps [22:11] RajW: even getting it going I found it problematic. It might refuse to read a disk that worked fine in the 64, or it might come up and say there were "sector errors" on disks that were fine. A freshly formatted disk seems to always read ok though [22:11] wire [22:11] OK which picture did you see of me Fungus? That is my DM and con hat. [22:11] I didn't know you were Catholic, TMR. [22:11] JB: Use a MAX233... and you can get rid of the caps. [22:11] Well, i dress up as a nun from time to time... [22:11] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Mr ancient hippie sir, Mason ismaking the ultimate c64 collection, collecting every ware ever by every group (legit or lamer label) , he desperately seeks US wares without (pal) import intros. [22:11] Pnacolada: Yeah it is mentioned in the LS issue about his NY Blues career. [22:11] caps are for the crystal [22:12] TMR: Thats a bad habbit!! Bahahahahaha [22:12] * TMR{C0S} puts it down to too many Hammer Dracula films as a child... [22:12] :-D Ah, in the Monty Python tradition! [22:12] -> *TerryM* http://www.geocities.com/c64friends [22:12] JB: ahh... k. [22:12] * TheFatman (~TheFatman@user13.net1266.tx.sprint-hsd.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:12] MikeP: well, normally it's a dirty habit but lets not go there... =-) [22:12] Tell ya what. I have a brand new digi camera here [22:12] I'll post a pic [22:12] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Humm some guy keeps a page of 64 piccies [22:12] OK Fungus send him my e-mail addy. I'll talk his ear off and lay on him what I have out of 2,700 on the BBS at the moment [22:12] Ah, the Hammer films with Chris Lee. [22:12] Ask Fungus, i think he's seen one of the nun pics...? =-) [22:13] <_Fungus_> Buhauha [22:13] LR: Okay. Not a fan of watching TV, if that's what you are referring to :) [22:13] Mike: I know Jens is busy with the C-1.... but I would really like some working drivers and front-end for the CatWeasel. [22:13] Fungus: Must be the one of me in front of the 64c with the L.S. shirt on. not the one with the biker jacket and sci-fi patches [22:13] What is a CatWeasel, please? [22:13] Anybody see or hear anything from Nick Rossi of Novaterm fame? [22:13] its a disk controller originally made for the amiga, [22:13] <_Fungus_> TMR: lets keep this to 64 eh? Unless your going to code trannie nun gets spanking [22:13] Nothing from him, Craig. [22:13] it uses a microcontroller to read different floppy formats, [22:13] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: thats the pic [22:13] most noteably ones that the standard floppy controlers cant read [22:13] Fungus: well... now you mention it, i was going to port Nun Chase from the Spectrum for the CGC. =-) [22:14] Alan: The Catweasel is a PCI/Amiga card that you can install in your PC/Amiga to read CBM (GCR) floppy disks. [22:14] Pnacolada: Don7t watch much T.V. myself. never saw the shows in question. To much time on the C= and doing RPGs with the game group. [22:14] <_Fungus_> gcg ? [22:14] gee, when did _Fungus_ get the @ ? [22:14] Catweasel flexible drive controller should make PCs abel to read Commodore Disks as well as other formats - with the right programming. [22:14] And you know me, i pervert everything i touch! [22:14] <_Fungus_> cgc [22:14] RajW: apple2 too [22:14] :P [22:14] C64 Crap Game Competition - 2004 one just started. [22:14] about any format in fact [22:14] Thanks [22:14] jbev. cool. I didn't know that. [22:14] <_Fungus_> Snog: You dont like me very much do you. [22:14] http://www.jschoenfeld.de/products/cwmk3_e.htm [22:14] OSG news was posted 7th May (since i'm in there adding Minigame =-) [22:15] Fungus: Yeah that is about 5 yers old. Was also printed in a Commodore Scene for my RPG column. New one is in a biker jacket with the mandatory pipe. [22:15] BRB. The quest for food. [22:15] <_Fungus_> Guess what, I dont give a rip! [22:15] <_Fungus_> :D [22:15] _Fungus_, I hate every one equally...don't feel lucky :) [22:15] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: kewl [22:15] RajW: yeah, same sentiments here. [22:15] Fungus: Did you ever get that 1541 drive aligned with the instructions I sent. [22:15] I'm an equal opportunity discriminator [22:15] <_Fungus_> Snogpitch: Heh, equal opportunist I see [22:16] * RajW is one the "fixers" in here. [22:16] brb [22:16] <_Fungus_> RajW: No, my mail couldnt figure out what encoding you used. [22:16] Fungus: Forgot to mention that the top hat now sports on the front the "I adore my C=64" button i got from RobertB [22:16] Fungus: It was a standard zip file. [22:16] <_Fungus_> :> [22:16] <_Fungus_> RajW: yah, but the attachment was in some weirdo encoding [22:17] <_Fungus_> not mime [22:17] <_Fungus_> :D [22:17] Love those "I adore my C64" buttons :) [22:17] <_Fungus_> plz use mime [22:17] Weird... your system is the only one on the planet then that can't read the attachments then. :( [22:17] <_Fungus_> I have a variet of stickers on my monitor from, The Dead Kennedy's to I program with Gortek, to "Fuck Off" :D [22:17] All of my attachements go out either uuencode or Base64 [22:18] <_Fungus_> RajW: well, I usually stick to dcc [22:18] <_Fungus_> hehe [22:18] It's nice to seee LordRonin in 80-columns... LOL. [22:18] Fungus Like "Gortek and the microchips"? [22:18] I'm back. Food is warming up. [22:18] * TMR{C0S} used to have all sorts of stickers on his telly - one was something about Thalamus games being good enough to snog i think? [22:18] <_Fungus_> Jerkz0r: yup [22:18] lol [22:18] <_Fungus_> TMR: Buhauha [22:19] RajW: Reminds me still interested in that factory Lord of Conquest? [22:19] <_Fungus_> I have that too [22:19] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: factory disks is what I mean by originals, ories, ori, etc [22:19] LordRonin: Nahh.. I have four originals now. :) Thanks for remembering. [22:19] I've got one of those Gortek packages here - button and all [22:20] <_Fungus_> compelte junk, wear the button, stick the sticker on yer monitor :D [22:20] * TMR{C0S} finishes prodding OSG - there, Minigame news added. [22:20] (gotta check my gortek box... whaerever that is...) [22:20] well, I think I'm done for the evening -- have to get back to a proposal I need to finish or I'll be shot by my attending [22:20] have a good evening, folks [22:20] Fungus: got a few of them around as well. Some for sale along with a ahnd full of carts. [22:20] cya Cameron [22:20] Bye, Cameron. [22:20] Bye Cameron! [22:20] Later CDK [22:20] niters CDKaiser [22:20] Byte C. [22:20] *waves* [22:20] * TMR{C0S} waves - bye Cameron. [22:20] RajW: OK I7ll need to rap with you later about some repairs as well [22:20] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: sixpack on some is nice, harder stuff, backups is nice :> [22:21] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Quit: The sky has fallen) [22:21] Fungus: Do a lot of .D64 that i zip. All through the C=. [22:21] LordRonin: Sure. The CBM repairs have been picking UP lately. [22:21] RajW: you do repair? [22:21] Got about 6 1571s that flaked out on me [22:21] And three 81s [22:21] I've had CBM stuff in every week now. [22:22] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: well, most original are protected , and I want them back on the real thing, to crack proper. [22:22] LordRonin: send me an 81 ;) [22:22] RajW do you do PETs, people have been asking me... [22:22] Ok, gotta leave you people, have a lunch to go to... Seeya's ! [22:22] <_Fungus_> cya [22:22] Bye MikeP [22:22] Joe: Sorry but no. :( Only the later stuff. [22:22] Bye Mike [22:22] A lunch... still can't get used to the damned time shift. =-) [22:22] <_Fungus_> Uff, I gotta stack of 41's [22:22] niters MikeP [22:22] 1571 have that nasty tendency...heads are so flaky and prone for break....my guy Ray fixes them yet. [22:22] Night Mike! [22:23] Bye, MIkeP. [22:23] has anyone here got a 2000 windows box connect to the wave with a cable modem [22:23] * Alan (~yeahright@67.129.208.89) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:23] Fungus: Fi they aren't a weird T&S thing. I can .D64 and zip them. Otherwise it is fpack and sometimes 6 pack/ [22:23] LordRonin: Cool... send those sick pieces to me and I'll get them fixed up. [22:23] * Alan (~yeahright@67.129.208.48) has joined #c64friends [22:23] TerryM. Don;'t at present, but seems pretty easy [22:23] There is instrux on the COPS support page TerryM [22:23] Hi, Alan. [22:23] * MikeP (~spamme@180.cust18.vic.dsl.ozemail.com.au) Quit [22:23] Stupid internet [22:23] <_Fungus_> Ronin: oki, got docs? [22:23] Howdy Alan [22:24] OK Raj, I'll have to get the addy from the web site. Then might sell a couple of them. Have a member that is picking up the 128D. Wants a working 81. [22:24] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: oh I got ways to copy vmax and rapidlok alot [22:24] Something I've been doing lately is doing free repairs if people send two identical pieces to be repaired and only want one back. [22:24] Fungus: I got more dox than games with dox. Factory and photocopies. We try to preserve all dox and manuals we find for our library. [22:24] does that include shipping back, RajW? [22:25] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: U rule [22:25] LordRonin: Ok. I can also do the 1772 FDC upgrade on the 1581 if the system has the older 1770 FDC. [22:25] <_Fungus_> Raj: 1773 [22:25] Speaking of repairs, is there anything cool that can go in that empty socket in the 128? [22:25] Snogpitch... nahh.. you have to at least pay for shipping. :) [22:25] Fungus: 1773?? [22:25] TerryM - Check here - http://c128.port5.com/ [22:25] OK, just checking :) [22:25] <_Fungus_> my 81 had a wd1773 in it [22:26] Fungus: Cool... I've read about that chip but never seen one. [22:26] All those ROM images that Raj has. [22:26] <_Fungus_> I think you can still buy them too [22:26] RobertB: What ROMs? [22:26] Raj: I7l start sending them a bit at a time. Lost the HUD rental assistance for two months. Getting it back in July. [22:26] Any nice and easy way to make an interface to hook up a SCSI HD (or a SyQuest EZDrive) to a Commodore [22:26] Now if there was a place to score up 1581 disks [22:26] <_Fungus_> Wildstar: a CMD HD [22:26] LordRonin: Cool. I eagerly awat your drives. :) [22:27] Besides the CMD HD [22:27] <_Fungus_> Not that I know of. [22:27] LordRonin... CDW still sells the 800K 3.5" disks. [22:27] Raj: They are the ones that are coated in dark grey pipe ash [22:27] PC with a SCSI card and 64HDD? [22:27] I ordered 100 several weeks ago. [22:27] CDW??? Who, what and where please [22:27] www.cdw.com [22:28] <_Fungus_> How about 5/14 ? [22:28] <_Fungus_> :D [22:28] LOL! [22:28] <_Fungus_> verbatims please [22:28] <_Fungus_> :D [22:28] no. [22:28] Amiga guys have the same problems...few walkup places to buy DSDD 3.5-ers [22:28] 5 divided by 14?can that even hapopen? [22:28] Fungus: just got 9 binders of dox and some loos ones out of storage today [22:28] Raj: Big thanks. [22:28] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: awesome [22:29] LordRonin: My pleasure man. :) [22:29] I buy 5.25" when I see em have a bag or so of em. [22:29] Fungus: Got 9 boxes steal sealed of Verbatium 5 1/4 disks [22:29] <_Fungus_> 90 disks... ooooh [22:29] <_Fungus_> I could really use those [22:29] <_Fungus_> :D [22:29] You know, Raj... Basic 8, the Servant, uh... what else? [22:29] I was checking if there was a SCSI adapter. I think the CMD HD controller is essentially similar to the 1541 except replace the FDC with an SCSI microcontroller. [22:29] Got 300 losse ones never used and a few sealed boxes of BASF [22:29] It is probably more than that. [22:29] I buy new-sealed 5'25 by the hundreds oneBay. [22:29] and the cpu's 2mhz [22:29] 64k ram [22:29] :) [22:29] the addition of an 8255 for the paraport [22:29] fyi CCCC does have factory sealed 5.25 disks on their sale listing [22:29] CMD HD has 64KB RAM... [22:30] and one of the 6522 bytebangs scsi [22:30] I have a friend in another u.g. in the center USA that scores them up for me. [22:30] <_Fungus_> nice [22:30] RobertB: Oh... yeah... hehe... I Copy *every* ROM I get. :) [22:30] <_Fungus_> RajW: dcc [22:30] <_Fungus_> :D [22:30] * Chet-34 (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has joined #c64friends [22:30] Make me an offer Fungus [22:30] Howdy Chet-34 [22:30] Hoi Chet-34 [22:30] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: $20 [22:30] hehe [22:30] Hi Chet-34 [22:30] anyone want an 8032 ? [22:30] Fungus... hehe... Actually they are all on P2P (Guntella) [22:30] I can use a 65c265 and a microcontroller and 64KB RAM or more RAM if I were to reduplicate the basic hardware based on the 1541. [22:31] I offer rayzor's courier modem [22:31] sdfsld;kfhsdf [22:31] Hi, Chet. [22:31] ANGER [22:31] ist a usr 56k [22:31] Thinking Fungus... Hmm a bit more, but where am I shipping them USA or overseas [22:31] no! [22:31] doesnt work tho [22:31] I was wondering if someone did something similar to Ruud Baltissen did with a IDE drive using a modified 1541 controller. [22:31] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: $30, usa, washington state [22:31] I have every ROM I own on Gnutella... minus JiffyDOS and the SS5 cartridge. [22:32] Rayzor, have enough PETs right now, how did the SK do? [22:32] Anyone know their way around the PET...? [22:32] Fungus $50 for 10 boes and I'll cover shipping. Waht city in Washington? I'm down in Astoria Ore. [22:33] My three dogs are the only PET's I own. :) [22:33] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Everett [22:33] the 8296 sold [22:33] it was all for Jeri [22:33] Larry does, TMR. [22:33] but she couldnt get it on the plane [22:33] So she got my 1551 instead [22:33] <_Fungus_> $50 for 10 boxes... ok sounds good. I get paid wednesday too [22:33] i'm wanting to time stuff to the screen refresh but nobody seems to have any info... [22:33] Fungus: Ah the area of Dr. Midi and the old Omni BBS [22:33] I've use the pet for ... about 24 years... [22:33] You have my e-mail addy Fungus? [22:33] wait. are these 5.25's ro 3.5s :) [22:33] -> [TMR{C0S}] PING [22:34] I Miss the most: Educator 64 and SFD 1001 [22:34] oh and chicklet PET 2001 [22:34] to be honest I miss my T/S1000 [22:34] If anywone wants their stuff repaired or upgraded visit www.c64.us. :) [22:34] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Heh, Better Mouse Trap, Flea Pit, Down By Law, SubZero, The Way, The Home Port, lotsa boards [22:34] jbevren: I'm dealing with 5 1/4" ones [22:34] but I really miss my vic20 :) [22:34] LordRonin: Ok I'll keep that in mind :) [22:34] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: not getting msg ? [22:34] TMR{C0S}, I show you at 3sec ping [22:34] Coffee Shop and Hugy Bears Den as well as Omni World [22:34] Raj? [22:34] I had one of those chicklet ones for awhile in the garage...sold it to a Canadian.. [22:35] <_Fungus_> Called Hugg [22:35] There is a Cursor Program called HIRES that deals with screen refreshes (at least for a portion of the display) from what I've heard it's pretty tight to code. [22:35] Yes JB? [22:35] <_Fungus_> I didnt like Omni boards much [22:35] Snogpitch: cool, i used to hang around on networks where 30 seconds was considered good. =-) [22:35] Here you go. [22:35] Fungus: What msg? [22:35] http://www.jbrain.com/brain/ [22:35] <_Fungus_> I called WOrldnet alot in Oak Harbor, eventually bought it. [22:35] They were the ones I started on. Ran one for 5 years. I know run Centipede [22:35] JB: Got it. Thx. [22:36] I don't have hires on my files archive, but I have it somewhere... [22:36] Woah... little! [22:36] * Snogpitch won't ask [22:36] We should be able to protype that board for almost nothing. [22:36] <_Fungus_> Most boards I called ran color64 (local) or hmm cant rememebr the elite one [22:36] I liked Cnet the best [22:37] It made more sense [22:37] Omni ha a big problem with CG on Desterm, and Novaterm Fair with Dialogue [22:37] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Hmm u using your commodore? [22:37] CNet and Image were the popular BBS software packages in Cincy [22:37] LR: I have had bad luck getting Centipede running... I've tried Image but it just hasn't worked over telnet yet :) [22:37] Fungus: All i own are Commies [22:37] <_Fungus_> called a fe wimage boards [22:37] Cnet was cool around here cause the Commodore guys ran C128 Cnet and the Amiga guys ran Cnet Amiga [22:37] so it was familiar [22:37] Pnacolada: What problems with Centipede? [22:37] <_Fungus_> LordROnin: Ok, when I say something, and its highlighted, its private msg [22:38] LR: You configure it and it boots, crashes, reboots, crashes :) [22:38] PinaC, I have Centipeded working via Telnet here [22:38] Jim, I'd like to see that. :) [22:38] No biggee [22:38] I use it to test tcpser [22:38] Cool. [22:39] It and image [22:39] is it running now, Jim_Brain? [22:39] I run Image [22:39] No, I just run it for tests [22:39] Never could get Centipede to properly unpack into its modules on a partition of my HD. [22:39] Yeah, I'd like to get my Image board up, put hours upon hours of work into the dumb thing :) [22:39] It's easy to set up, though [22:39] Did Omega-Q II allow mass unpacking of LBR files? Anyone know? [22:39] sometimes there just isn't enuff beers [22:40] tcpser makes my PC act like a UDS-10 unit [22:40] Hmm, well I got my Centipede from the web site. used the LBR file to open the files to partiton #1. Had it on FD disks. [22:40] Mmmmm Beeeeeeeerrrrrrr! [22:40] mass unpack? [22:40] <_Fungus_> ugh lbr files! [22:40] I did that as well. [22:40] unpacked the lbr onto a HD partition [22:40] <_Fungus_> Im so glas someone wrote unzip for c64 [22:40] Huh? Beer? Where? [22:40] <_Fungus_> glad [22:41] Bud Ice in front of me! :-) [22:41] Have it on partition 7 or so and keep my HD utilities on partition 1. [22:41] Amstel here... wife just broughtr it to me. :) [22:41] Yes, Unzip64 and 128 are very nice. [22:41] Great wife! [22:41] Just Snapple Iced Tea here. [22:41] Agreed! [22:41] And with GeoZip you can create ZIP files too! [22:42] The bummer with patition 1 is I sometimes accidentially format it (thank goodness for the unformat programs). [22:42] <_Fungus_> no geos for me thanks [22:42] <_Fungus_> :D [22:42] Wll I am hoping to score up the Lantronix and then have my BBS telnet with Jims device. [22:42] I have aspen edge [22:42] Altho I prefer sam adams [22:42] Mass unpack: yeah, unpack all the LBR files in one pass instead of using the regular LBR program, selecting each LBR file, dissolving it, re-running the program ad infinitum :) [22:42] GEOS - some swear by and others swear at it. [22:42] Bruce will have to give me lessons on Geopublish 1.1 when I get to Edmonton. :-) [22:42] * TMR{C0S} is pretty much in the latter camp... =-) [22:42] Yes, have those and try to unpack but it seem to like the presence of a LtKernel HD....the unpacking prog. (which I cannot recall offhand ) does not like to play within CMD partitions. [22:42] No GEOS here either... If I want a slow graphical OS I'll use XP. :) [22:43] in that case, yes, Pnacolada [22:43] OK RB [22:43] Worked fine for me. Only problem was understanding how to put files in the U/D area [22:43] Wish I could find my copy of Omega Q II. :P [22:43] Craig, do you have a Lt. Kernal? [22:43] Nice program. [22:43] Big Geos/Wheels fan here. All my u.g. members are now using it. [22:43] The lack of speed in GEOS is one reason I got a TurboMaster and then a SuperCPU [22:43] Raj, Wheels/GEOS moves like a demon with a SCPU. [22:43] I demo'd Omega Q at our club meeting a few months back [22:43] My essential utilities disk on portcommodore.com has omegaQ II [22:44] <_Fungus_> the file system is what slows it dowm [22:44] Ok guys... got to go... My Planetside buds are calling.... Time to go kill schtuff. :) [22:44] Bruce, do you have the Master Adapter? [22:44] bye Raj [22:44] Joe: Great, thanks for the tip :) [22:44] Bye RajW [22:44] RobertB: Yeah... that cool SCPU that NO ONE can get any more. :p [22:44] BCNU Raj [22:44] back [22:44] RB- I Did. Sold the combo about a year after betting my SCPU [22:44] <_Fungus_> Hi gamemaster [22:44] * TMR{C0S} has never felt the need to have an SCPU... [22:45] \Begged Robert Schnedler to send me one so I could demo it at one of our club EXPOs. [22:45] <_Fungus_> just code it faster [22:45] Bye, Raj. [22:45] <_Fungus_> :D [22:45] * gamemaste bets that tmr would feel the need after using one ;) [22:45] * RajW (~darkone@68-184-83-64.cpe.ga.charter.com) has left #c64friends [22:45] <_Fungus_> I had one, dumped it [22:45] <_Fungus_> gav eit back to batty [22:45] Have one in peices in the garage Robert B. soounds like a freight train when it runs...someone got it stuffed into an old PC tower....have the bdgebroad for the 128, too. [22:45] brb [22:45] gamemaste: why? All my favourite games do 50FPS as is so what can i gain by making 'em go faster?! =-) [22:45] <_Fungus_> hehehe [22:45] TurboMaster and Master Adapter worked great with GEOS. [22:45] I have yet to see the Master Adapter. [22:46] Hoi gamemaster [22:46] Very nice, Craig. [22:46] I think a Master Adapter was brought to the Louisville Expo a couple years ago [22:46] TMR: Ok games may not see a benifit...but productivty would [22:46] or was it Chicago? [22:46] Hi LR [22:46] * Chet-34 (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has left #c64friends [22:46] True, ***. [22:46] Unless you want to get killed faster lol [22:46] i don't use the C64 for productivity, that's "work" and i'd rather have fun with it. =-) [22:46] Not much left of it...I seem to have become the odd local repository of things C= and Amiga...hehehehe [22:47] Pretty bare couple of boards. Had to add some screws to hold them together. [22:47] Hey gamemaster, a question I have been asking tonight. Have you ever used the Dungeon Creator from Load Star. [22:47] RB - The Master Adapters weren't available for long IIRC. [22:48] <_Fungus_> lodestar... [22:48] Yes, Bruce. I tried to order one at the very end and was told that they were gone. [22:48] loadstar? [22:48] :) [22:48] <_Fungus_> it stille xists? [22:49] LR: nope, heard of it though [22:49] yes [22:49] * jbevren disables titlebars [22:49] Yeah, I am the RPG game writer for them [22:49] That was when I begged for one. [22:49] RobertB writes for LS as well [22:49] Was told they were all gone but ended up getting one just the same. :) [22:49] * TMR{C0S} remembers offering Reaxion to LS... i don't think they got back to me. [22:49] Yes, Loadstar is still very much around. [22:49] <_Fungus_> they still buy stuff? [22:49] any news if this is their last year or not? [22:49] TMR, just remind Dave Moorman again... he may have forgotten. [22:50] Loadstar is always on the look-out for programs and will pay. [22:50] Well, this was several years ago... Reaxion was totally recoded since then and now Cronosoft are putting the latest revision out. [22:50] Well I am going to call it a night and shut down the C=64...thunderstorm coming in and all that....byebye. [22:50] Dave M was at LUCKY EXPO and said he will continue but offer shorter subs (like single issue price for squeamish people) [22:50] niters levay [22:50] bye Craig [22:50] Bye levay [22:50] Nite Levay [22:50] later levay [22:50] Bye, Craig. [22:50] * levay (levay@isis.visi.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:51] RevDave does forget from time to time on things. But he does try to make good as soon as he knows that he spaced things out. [22:51] there. now that I got rid of titlebars I have more desktop space :) [22:51] <_Fungus_> TMR: Fender ran it different [22:51] definitly don't want to get a fried system due to storm [22:51] or lose a modem [22:51] Another advantage to using a PC for "productivity" - if it gets fried... who cares? =-) [22:51] <_Fungus_> He wouldnt even buy tracked tunes [22:51] <_Fungus_> just thjat compute junk [22:51] I got one of Fenders LS CD's off e-Bay [22:51] Eugh. [22:51] true, sometimes just the modem goes....but often more than that gets fried :/ [22:51] Been putting them back to 5.25" [22:52] <_Fungus_> abnd those goddamn Burma Shave things.. fuck were all not 60-70... [22:52] * Alan (~yeahright@67.129.208.48) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [22:52] <_Fungus_> :D [22:52] * TMR{C0S} looks puzzled...? [22:52] C64er: Got my CD from the tower for writing a couple disks of things for RevDave [22:52] I like Fenders LS CD. Lot's of nice stuff. [22:52] Shoot, should resubscribe to LoadStar. Are they in it for the long run? [22:53] <_Fungus_> the stuff before fender is allright [22:53] <_Fungus_> some during [22:53] <_Fungus_> :D [22:53] as long as they can [22:53] Burma shave ads a series of poetic humours verses on signs ending with "burmashave" the ad campaign ended in the 70s(?) [22:53] <_Fungus_> ahh Terry FLynn [22:53] It's neat to read 20 year old help questions. :-) [22:53] Unknown, Ryan. [22:53] <_Fungus_> Tery FLynn = Roy Batty [22:53] Robert: Okay. :) [22:54] Hey folks, next week I won't be around [22:54] Nooooooo [22:54] O.K., Snog. [22:54] I'll be attending the Washboard Festival in Logan Ohio [22:54] :-) [22:54] Cicada Roast? [22:54] Ok Snog [22:54] G'night, all. [22:55] <_Fungus_> JoeCommod: I mean, how many 64 kids are gonna rememebr burma shave... [22:55] JMP $FCE2 [22:55] * JLawless (~jimbo@dialup-4.228.198.209.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) has left #c64friends [22:55] <_Fungus_> heheh [22:55] Night Jim [22:55] Nite JL [22:55] I have a concert to attend on Tuesday, June 22. [22:55] I might pop in, but doubt it very much [22:55] Y'know... i've never really liked what i saw of LS - but that was mostly the games. [22:55] <_Fungus_> oh, it gets worse [22:56] <_Fungus_> :D [22:56] <_Fungus_> there was some usefull prgramming stuff once in awhile [22:56] * TMR{C0S} remembers one that made me laugh, it had a stolen loading screen...! [22:56] <_Fungus_> and some ok tools [22:56] Dave Moorman only works with those programs that he can make compliant with the Loadstar menu system. [22:56] TMR: Realms on the 128 quarterly is a good game. Never did beat it [22:58] Those that didn't program much enjoyed Lodestar more, alot of folks in my former users group subscribed. [22:58] empty cans / along the road / are ugly many say / but at night / reflecting bright / they safely guide the way / burmashave [22:58] <_Fungus_> Heh, I remember accidentally supplying a crack from Loadstar I though was an ori... [22:58] * TMR{C0S} goes looking for the game in question. [22:58] I likwd LS when it had geos programs and files [22:58] TMR IIRC it is issue #3 [22:58] ok off to bed [22:58] nice chat guys :) [22:58] Like the first geobeap? [22:58] <_Fungus_> TMR: Reflect/F4cg, was a hacked up copy of the chromance version... oh man, SNeaper got mad at me... [22:58] Bye. [22:58] Nite! [22:58] * jbevren (~jbevren@69-168-194-254.bflony.adelphia.net) Quit (Quit: BitchX: its not your ordinary stick of gum) [22:58] TerryM = ???? [22:58] What's issue 3? [22:58] Think so, my disks are not at easy reach. Buried in boxes nearby [22:58] My usergroup subscribed till we disbaned (got so I was the only one showing up at meetings). [22:59] who wanted to see Centipeded via telnet [22:59] gamemaster: that happend at mine. I built it up to about 10 members [22:59] And so you talked to yourself, right, ***? * /me: insufficient parameters [22:59] * Snogpitch wanted to see [22:59] * Andrew (~Axell@CPE00e07db9f398-CM014390038010.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.52 [Mozilla rv:1.6b/20031208]) [22:59] OK, wanted to make sure you were still on [22:59] * LordRonin also wants to see [22:59] Hold on, finding a RS232 cable [22:59] * TMR{C0S} will have to memorise the name of this damned game... [22:59] At work I talk to myself, I'm the only tech guy who knows what I am saying... :-D [23:00] Jim: I did as well. :) [23:00] TMR: AIR it is "Realms" [23:00] LOL Robert, no I didn't want th libary thinking I was nuts. It would not have been good to see the president of the club talking to himself lol [23:00] Yow, Larry! [23:00] <_Fungus_> realms? [23:00] <_Fungus_> realms of impossibility ? [23:00] LordRonin: i'm not looking for that, i'm looking for the game i mentioned with the ripped loading pic. [23:00] LR: I tried do do that as well, but I did manage to take it over and keep it going for 5 more years than they orginally wanted to shut down [23:00] No not that one [23:00] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6c-223.miamfl.adelphia.net) has joined #c64friends [23:01] Hoi Eyeth [23:01] Hello, all. [23:01] Hi Eyeth [23:01] Why not? You'd say, "***, any C= questions?" You'd respond, "Well..." ;-) [23:01] OK TMR understand [23:01] Hi Eyeth! [23:01] Hi, Todd. [23:01] Howdy Eyeth [23:01] Todd [23:01] hello [23:01] * TMR{C0S} laughs at the name "Frog Fanny" on the way past... it means something a bit different over here. =-) [23:01] hello Eyeth [23:01] gamemaster: Sort of helps that the current u.g. is also fantaic RPGers that I met through my shop. [23:01] got cable [23:01] setting it up [23:01] :) [23:02] LOL Robert, nah they would have pulled our reserved room lol [23:02] and who gets to dial it up first :) [23:02] * C64er (~n8ie@cpe-024-033-151-250.woh.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:02] RL: yes that would help [23:02] Todd, how is work on Geopublish 1.1? [23:02] hi Todd [23:02] Whilst i'm looking... what's with all the bloody card games, an' all?! [23:02] Excellent, Omega-Q will work nicely for what I need. Thanks, JoeCommod :) [23:03] I think the guy made a good card playing engine and was just going through Hoyle... [23:03] Ah, Omega-Q works on USR files? I'll have to remember that. [23:03] LBR :) [23:03] <_Fungus_> USR files, I forgot about those [23:03] * TMR{C0S} has met a few sadists in his time but that's just nasty...! =-) [23:03] Yeah for my tastes there were a bit too many card games [23:04] * _Fungus_ misses playing Cribbage [23:04] I think I'd like to program something that makes use of a mouse for an input device. That'd be fun :) [23:04] I used to like to play Cribbage at college [23:04] Hello, Robert- I gotta sheepishly admit that I didn't do any work on geoPublish v1.1 ever since I got home from the EXPO. In fairness, I was saddled with a nasty spell of the common cold. :( [23:04] Peter Hanson, my British friend, has collected every known card game for his Amiga. [23:04] I got alot started with that game [23:04] * TMR{C0S} was thinking about doing a strip poker game... =-) [23:04] Feeling better, tho! [23:05] TMR: Think they did that already [23:05] Bad! Hey, wait a minute... Jeri came down with something, too! What were you two doing? ;-) [23:05] at one point I had 3 cribbage boards so others wouldn't have to wait to play [23:05] Robert- Saw your travel iterinary! Pretty cool. Too bad you couldn't make a stop two weekends ago in Louisville. :) [23:05] LOL [23:05] Strip pokers' been done a few times, Timeworx and some Samntha Fox One... (not that I'm counting, mind you...) [23:06] Eyeth: Was wondering about the use of imported fonts with the new GeoPublish [23:06] RobertB- Heh. I guess I got it on the airplane or airport. Those things are basically petri dish havens for a wide variety of nasties. :( [23:06] I'm on vacation now, Todd. [23:06] * TMR{C0S} has played most of 'em - just wants to try writing the logic and attempting to beat the graphics quality in a single file. =-) [23:06] Summer vacation? [23:06] * Snogpitch is on vacation [23:06] Eyeth!! Did you give me this creeping crud? [23:06] LordRonin- What do you mean by imported fonts? [23:06] Yes, Todd. [23:07] Jerkz0r- Heehee. :) [23:07] Are you past your illness now, Jeri? [23:07] * gamemaste bets no [23:07] Eyeth. Next show *I* give the sickness. [23:08] lol [23:08] I'm still sick. Over a week now. [23:08] Eyeth: At this point in time. I make the document in GeoPub. Then do the layout in Post Print. Turn that into a file and edit page 10 for the new font. The one that I am using is called Village Plain and replaced Times Bold. Will i still have to do this in [23:08] Darn Midwest viruses! [23:08] Cool. I'll wear a gas mask the next time I go to an EXPO. :) [23:08] Ive wanted to write a solitare where I could code in playing strategies and see which one is statiscally better. [23:08] * gamemaste makes point if he comes to show....wears mask [23:08] Sod it... can't find this stupid Loadstar game. The picture was stolen from Denarius by Firebird, all they did was remove the logo (and left the Firebird logo in place). [23:08] lol Eyeth....same thought [23:08] Maybe it was a good thing that I didn't go to the Expo. I feel fine. [23:09] LordRonin- I think I understand what you mean by 'imported fonts'. Well, PostPrint will pass this font as a bitmapped font and PostScript II will try to scale it as good as it can. But the font will still look 'blocky'. [23:09] <_Fungus_> TMR: lol [23:09] TMR:I have seen several hacked games with that kind of logo [23:09] * TMR{C0S} likes the idea of turning up in a gas mask anyway... =-) [23:09] LR - yes. That still needs to be done. Unless Todd has some more surprises up his sleeve. [23:09] lol [23:09] It wasn't a crack, the picture was nicked off another game and the whole thing sold to LS. [23:09] Eyeth: The font I am talking about is a Post Script font. [23:09] * gamemaste does Darth Vader breathing [23:09] I'll bottle some of this cold up and save it for VCF Robert.... [23:09] <_Fungus_> Nooooo! [23:09] Oh ok. [23:09] <_Fungus_> :D [23:09] Todd, he is talking about substituting a PS font for a standard LW PS font [23:10] BruceT: OK that is fine. Just don't want to lose that font for the u.g. newsletter [23:10] * TMR{C0S} has a thought and prods more stuff into GB64 to see if i can find this thing... [23:10] LR - you are following Dale's Laser Lover procedure? [23:10] TMR:I oh I realize that, I was just saying I had seen the same type of thing. Probably a cracker sold it to them and they never played the game so never saw it before [23:10] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Man, wish I could go down to one or 2 meetings. [23:10] <_Fungus_> Havent got to copy stuff in years [23:11] LordRonin- Well, you still have to do the editing manually. And the font still has to be loaded into the printer. [23:11] BruceT: A bit, from Dale. Geof Sullivan fixed the problem with the font not being seen all the time in GeoPub [23:11] gamemaste: having Firebird's corporate logo on the pic's a bit of a give away innit...? =-) [23:11] * Mad_Kat (nobody@206.157.148.179) has joined #c64friends [23:11] VCF is on Halloween weekend. The virus will last that long? [23:11] Hi MadKat [23:11] Hoi Mad Kat [23:11] Hi, Bryan. [23:11] Hmmm. What did Geoff tell you? [23:11] However, GhostScript has a couple more of built-in fonts; If you know what they are, you can simply substitute names in the postscript II file. [23:11] Anyone dressing in costume for VCF? [23:11] hi everybody [23:11] <_Fungus_> VCF ? [23:12] * TMR{C0S} laughs his arse off - if i could get to VCF i'd dress up. =-) [23:12] Hey Fungus our 26 anniversary is third thursday in July [23:12] Hmmm, costumes for VCF. [23:12] TMR: yes it is, but they may not have played a firebird game before [23:12] Can I dress up as a KIM? :) [23:12] Vintage Computer Festival http://www.vintage.org [23:12] <_Fungus_> TMR: Mwhahaha, pleather or lycra ? [23:12] <_Fungus_> :D [23:12] Hi Mad Kat [23:12] Todd, when are you going to make it to the West Coast again? [23:12] Robert you could do Kirk! [23:13] BruceT: There is a code line that has to be changed. I've mislaid the file with the information. Supposedly it is on the PP site for COPS. This is done in the actual font file [23:13] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Hmnm, maybe I can make that. [23:13] hi gamemaste [23:13] RB - I think the question should be "When is the Fresno Club going to hold an EXPO?" [23:13] Eyeth: Not up on Ghost Script. I7m the one that runs C= only [23:13] Fungus: nurse's uniform, it's my favourite right now. [23:13] How about dressing up as Bill Gates? (Horror of horrors!) [23:13] Robert: Augh! [23:13] Great I'll load the 50cal rifle [23:13] <_Fungus_> I would have to bring Tiff, and we could Dress like Deckard and Rebecca [23:13] Larry, I'm too tall to be Kirk. [23:14] <_Fungus_> TMR: lol [23:14] LR - thanks. If I don't see it I'll ask you or Geoff. Not that I do font sub a lot. [23:14] However, Jeri and I have spoken about being Nomad. [23:14] Fungus: you as Rebecca...? =-) [23:14] RobertB- I dunno. No longer live on the West Coast, so things are unlikely I'll visit for quite some time. [23:14] <_Fungus_> TMR: Noooo! [23:14] Ok, Spock then, you'd look good in a blue shirt and holding a tricorder [23:14] Robert: that would be a easy costume...just get lots of Monopoly money and wear some geeky glasses and you are set lol [23:14] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Youd shoot me ? [23:14] BruceT: I haven't had the opportunity to test it yet. But it may be needed on that CD of fonts that came out a while back [23:14] Okay... i'll go as Rebecca then. [23:14] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: WHat if I bring some "widow" with me? :D [23:15] Bruce, I'll be speaking to the Las Vegas club about a West Coast event. [23:15] <_Fungus_> TMR: Yiff would look alot better as Rebecca [23:15] Logic clearly dictates: The needs of many outweigh the needs of a few. [23:15] <_Fungus_> er Tiff [23:15] <_Fungus_> (Tiffany) [23:15] <_Fungus_> ;D [23:15] *Got* the bugger! [23:15] Fungus: Only if you looked like Gates, gould or Ali. [23:15] http://www.gamebase64.com/game.php?id=4458&d=18&h=0 [23:15] Second screenshot. [23:15] Good. I've already asked Al Jackson some questions but haven't given him the reason. [23:15] Larry, it's either Nomad or the Planet Killer/Doomsday Machine. [23:15] "widow" Fungus? Hopefully you mean a very attractice girl of Gorean tower nature [23:15] http://www.gamebase64.com/game.php?id=2113&d=18&h=0 <-- Denarius's entry, check the pic. [23:15] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Whew! I look like a rockstar [23:16] * TerryM (~tmaynor@cdm-66-76-201-177.eldr.cox-internet.com) Quit [23:16] * TMR{C0S} says something *very* rude at the mention of Goreans... [23:16] Yes, Bruce, Jeri and I think that Las Vegas would be a central hub. [23:16] Fungus: I look like a crazed biker Nam vet mountain man. AD&D player ;-? [23:16] The doomsday machine was much coller, with the sparkling maw, etc. [23:16] Wow. The firebird logo wasn't even removed. [23:16] <_Fungus_> Lord: Oh, thought u mentioned the "pipe" thing [23:16] Yes, even from way up here Vegas is an affordable trip. [23:16] Eyeth: yeah, that's what i was saying... [23:17] BTW: Fungsu, if you make the party. You get to try the kitty box cake [23:17] Yeah, getting the sparkling maw would be tough to do in the costume. [23:17] <_Fungus_> kitty box cake? [23:17] <_Fungus_> :D [23:17] * TMR{C0S} can understand that nobody'd recognise a fairly generic pic but leaving Firebird's logo on... [23:17] Oh yeah Fugus the pipe is lit up when I awake till i go to bed. About 2oz a day [23:17] Maybe Amiwaest would laike to have CommodoreWest as a co-gathering? [23:17] Ah-ha, a positive vote for Vegas! [23:17] er AmiWest. [23:17] <_Fungus_> TMR: oh, 6r6 pulled the Monkey files, commence buggin him for the ori now. [23:17] Never would have thought Loadstar would stoop to that level of nicking a picture, unless the author of both games had permission, etc. [23:18] AmiWest has high table prices. [23:18] Fungus: gotcha. [23:18] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: 2 oz a day!? [23:18] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: Can I move in? [23:18] <_Fungus_> :D [23:18] Eyeth: my dosh says they didn't know - i'm just surprised they didn't notice... [23:18] * Jim_Brain (bla@12-217-179-222.client.mchsi.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:18] Was there an Amiwest? [23:18] Yeah kitybox cake. A tradition. Looks like a very well used kitty box. [23:18] * JimBrain (bla@12-217-179-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends [23:18] I think having something out west would be very good for the C=ommunity. [23:18] Every year it is the same people in pictures at EXPOs. [23:18] Last year, of course. This year... it's in the planning, Todd. [23:18] Sacramentio, Calif. Late July [23:19] Jeri, Hope you get better soon. [23:19] <_Fungus_> If I smoked 2 oz of White Widow I would keel over dead [23:19] Well Fungus have to be a dedicated RPGer, smoker and Fanatical C= and or Amiga only user. And yeah pro guns, cat lover have a few girls for the rest of us and helps to be jewish [23:19] Hey, who are you calling the same?! ;-) [23:19] Ok, it is up [23:19] If others could attend it would provide some much needed enthusiasm. [23:19] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: mwhahaha, sounds very familiar [23:19] What's up JimBrain [23:19] Plus a reason for LUCKY or SWRAP members to travel a bit further and see other parts of the country. [23:19] centipede [23:19] via telnet [23:19] Well I go through about 2oz of Soft Vanilla a day. [23:20] Ok - whats the address [23:20] Working on it [23:20] Very true, Bruce. [23:20] 12.217.179.222 [23:20] port 6400 [23:20] When I'm in Vegas on the first August weekend, I will scout out meeting sites. [23:20] Let snog go first [23:20] He wanted it up [23:20] Fungus: Me familiar? Just a left over from the 60s [23:21] * thea1ien has returned [23:21] ok, trying it now [23:21] Snog???? [23:21] Hoi a1ien [23:21] * gamemaste dives for cover [23:21] 'ello [23:21] Welcome back, the a1ien. [23:21] * gamemaste loads up his pulse rifle [23:21] * thea1ien loads his M41-A [23:21] :) [23:22] * gamemaste loads his gernade launcher [23:22] * LordRonin loads the Fusion Gun Man portable model 15 [23:22] waiting.... [23:22] Pulse rifle? Ick. Phaser rifle... better! [23:22] flamethrower ready... [23:22] * TMR{C0S} mutters and wanders off to find a Manta. =-) [23:22] Cool. Vegas sounds nice. I've been there a couple of times and I shall remain quiet about my adventures there. What happens there stays there... *whistling* [23:22] FAE on board [23:22] Although I prefer dual Redeemers [23:22] the pluse rifle is what they called some of the guns used in the movie ALIENS [23:22] Ok, pulled out my VIC-20, who wants some!? [23:22] there he is [23:22] M41-A is the tech name of the pulse rifle [23:22] FGMP 15 comes from Traveller RPG [23:22] <_Fungus_> LordRonin: I see ;)) [23:23] can't seem to connect :( [23:23] Todd, you are surprising me with such talk. [23:23] If they had a phaser rifle, they would have been better off. ;-) [23:23] yep [23:23] ah, wildstar is on [23:23] Larry, please don't threaten me with your VIC-20! [23:23] doh [23:23] lots of folks in here still, good :) [23:23] not if the power supply got low when you had a hord of aliens after you lol [23:23] Nah the dice rolls for the Phaser rifle in 1st ed Star Trek are not as damaging as the FGMP in Traveller [23:24] It's alot easier to swing then a PET. [23:24] * TMR{C0S} shrugs - i tell any bugger who'll listen what *i* get up to regardless of how dodgy. =-) [23:24] What error did you get Snog? [23:24] TMR, you're muttering. :-) [23:24] it timed out [23:24] JimBrain- What is this '1541 server' project you're talking about in cbm-hackers? [23:25] Muttering? Ask Fungus, most of the time they have to gag me to shut me up. =-) [23:25] let me try again [23:25] hmmm [23:25] :-) [23:25] No, you'll get an error, WS is on [23:25] typing as we speak [23:25] Eyeth, it's an interface from CBM IEC to PC [23:25] BruceT- Have you been on IRC before? [23:25] That works on XP and Linux [23:25] no timing issues [23:25] Oh happy day :) [23:25] ok, that time it said busy [23:26] Eyeth - 1st time. :) [23:26] I think this is Bruce's first time here. [23:26] I'll tell you when WS is off [23:26] Isn't it obvious? [23:26] Ooh, IRC virgin - look out for the weirdos like... erm, me! =-) [23:26] Not at all, Bruce. [23:26] Cool. I hope you're successful! The 64hdd and xe1541 solution relies on outdated computers and OS systems. Like I have the desk space to set up a 486 system just to serve my cbm... [23:26] Kinda tough to keep up with some of the threads I want to. [23:26] Well, it is working as we speak [23:26] * antigen (na@216-203-250-65-phx-01.cvx.algx.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:26] Basically just trying to make it as compatible as posible [23:27] with CBM peripherals and CMD equipment [23:27] BruceT- Cool. I like IRC, but kinda keep myself to chats like this. I used to go to #c-64 chat regularly a few years ago, but stopped. IRC just takes up a lot of time. :) [23:27] I want one Jim as soon as I can afford things. [23:27] Eyeth: careful.....this whole group is dedacated to "oudated computers and OS systems" heh [23:27] I'll relog onto the BBS via HyperTerminal - Windows Telnet has that annoying echo. [23:27] BruceT is doing good for a first timer tho [23:27] It'll be free [23:27] Well, you cna build your own [23:28] WS, let Snog come in [23:28] * MikeC_ (~Mikec@CPE0004e289e6d6-CM000a73664c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [23:28] * TMR{C0S} hangs around on about [counts fingers] seven IRC channels on a regular basis... [23:28] * MikeC (~chatzilla@CPE0004e289e6d6-CM000a73664c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:28] MikeC - check out telnet://12.217.179.222:6400 [23:28] This chat has been interesting. But you're right about the time. Can't believe 2.5 hours have gone by so fast! [23:28] gamemaste- Heh. The only outdated computer on my desk is my c128d. :) I don't want to add an another 486 in the mix with a modern PC. [23:28] Thanks, Snog. Just have to work on my typing speed. [23:28] Free old old disabled vets is a good thing. But I remember that i need some more hardware to connect. All I have is the SCPU 128D and CMD HD for the BBS right now, and the 28.8 modem [23:29] And learn more commands. [23:29] Has it been that long already, Bruce? [23:29] yup [23:29] OK, WS is off [23:29] Eyeth: I figgured as much. And I can understand that. Those old 486's are BIG [23:29] Gaelyne Gasson's TIFCU book is good in figuring out commands. [23:30] 486 laptop... should be dirt cheap and small. =-) [23:30] Yeah! I have a laptop and there's no 3.5" disk! How am I supposed to boot to MS DOS onto a FAT16 partition in my HD just to run 64HDD? So, I just use my regular Athlon for this kind of thing. [23:30] TIFCU out of print. HELP or Internet still available [23:30] hmm the 486 laptops I remember were more like "lugable" than notebook [23:30] Snog is on [23:31] gamemaste: i had one with me when i met RobertB - it was used for crunching data files for a demo... [23:31] Nah, the SX64 is a luggable. [23:31] JimBrain- Keep us posted on this 1541 server thing. It'll be nice to hook up my CMD HD to my Athlon and not have to use the cryptic disk dumper command under Linux. :) [23:31] Will do [23:31] Snog, you like? [23:32] SW, you like? [23:32] Is that a new laptop with no floppy Todd? You could try making a bootable DOS CD. [23:32] =WS? [23:32] True about the SX64....but somehow I never saw it is as a "lugable"....guess I just love the thing too much to care lol [23:32] * TMR{C0S} notes that it's 4:30 here so decides to bugger off to bed before the sun gets up too far... =-) [23:32] Later TMR [23:32] BCNU TMR [23:32] Night TMR [23:32] Yeah, it's a new laptop. Yours had a 'swappable' 3.5 disk drive. I guess I could try FreeDOS and burn it on a CD and create a FAT16 partition... Might work. [23:33] er morning, TMR. [23:33] You know, my SX is getting to be less of a luggable every eyar. It hasn't been used in about 3! [23:33] * TMR{C0S} waves, snogs Fungus and trundles off.. =-) [23:33] Bye, TMR. [23:33] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@spc2-leed5-5-0-cust79.seac.broadband.ntl.com) Quit (Quit: www.cosine.org.uk / www.oldschool-gaming.com) [23:33] Trundle - hee :) [23:33] Funny word. [23:33] * _Fungus_ listens to new remixof Black Friday/Megadeath [23:33] <_Fungus_> oops, -a [23:33] <_Fungus_> :D [23:33] I must have my SX64 repaired. [23:33] Or maybe see about buying a USB floppy for it Todd. [23:33] * c64guy (~c64guy@tdl.com) has joined #c64friends [23:33] Snog off [23:34] OK, I registered :) [23:34] Well? [23:34] Hoi c64guy [23:34] I watched [23:34] worked fine on this end [23:34] Hi C64guy! [23:34] hello c64 users [23:34] Jim, I'm gonna try :) [23:34] OK [23:34] Hi, c64guy. [23:34] Just note there is nothing on the board at present [23:34] Wildstar was right about the local echo tho [23:34] That's win telnet [23:34] UNIX doesn;t see that [23:34] Nor does hyoperterminal [23:34] or a good term [23:34] I'll have to try that with the Mac later [23:35] if it'll be on later [23:35] I'll leave it up tonight [23:35] But, normally, it's not up [23:35] There are some that are up all the time [23:35] www.petscii.com [23:35] PinC on [23:35] Hi Guys...I'm outta here...kind of distracted with some other stuff. L8R. [23:35] I remember looking over that list [23:35] JimBrain- Any news on the Qlink server? Or is it put aside? [23:35] yea, use HyperTerminal - I believe. This is normal with Windows Telnet but HyperTerminal seems to be nicer. [23:36] I got the domains up [23:36] and running [23:36] Bye, MikeC. [23:36] Hey, Snog, I went to your site that lsited old Genie programs, but don't have a site to download form. [23:36] Bummer with the C= BBSs is only one caller at a time, for multi-line you would need multi C=s/... [23:36] BUt, still need to get the data up there [23:36] * MikeC_ (~Mikec@CPE0004e289e6d6-CM000a73664c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040608]) [23:36] right c64guy, that's just an index [23:36] I liked what I saw [23:36] Bye MikeC [23:36] I am hoping to check out HyperTerminal [23:36] c64guy, Maurice Randall has the Genie programs on-line. [23:36] Though, you are right, time is short [23:36] thanks, robert [23:36] It's still on my list [23:37] BUt, I need help debugging the QLink disk [23:37] Ok. [23:37] Too many irons in the fire [23:37] http://usa.cmdrkey.com/cbm/genie/genie.html [23:37] And I still owe you that 2400 baud disk [23:37] know all about that JB [23:37] c64guy - Gaelyne sells a CD with all of the files on it as well. And you can get her Super MEGA C= CD with Compuserve, GEnie, VideoCam FTP and 221B Baker St. BBS files all on one CD. [23:37] that's the main index of GEnie files [23:38] hehe, I have logging turned all on the app. The screen is going wile [23:38] =wild [23:38] Not to mention a geoSpecific CD from a certain guy in Edmonton, who is chatting here, BTW. :) [23:38] GEOS isn't all that popular here tonight [23:38] thanks for the addrees, Snog. [23:38] What's the latest version of the CD? [23:38] Hi, Pina... [23:38] press return now [23:38] V1.6 - the LUCKY EXPO Edition [23:38] When I'm up in Edmonton, I'm picking up the geoSpec CD. [23:38] BruceT- Tough crowd. :) [23:39] Bruce- Thanks. [23:39] * gamemaste likes GEOS...but it is true some love it others hate it [23:39] Eyeth: you wouldn't mean the V1.2 CD that is sitting next to me? [23:39] I'll have one ready for you Robert. [23:39] Nah, Bruce... talk about GEOS all that you want. [23:39] Jim - I have logging active. [23:39] No, I meant logging on tcpser [23:39] LordRonin- Yeah, I have the v1.2 CD myself. I guess I'll be needing an update in the future. But I've got other things to finish first, like geoPublish. :) [23:39] It logs all the data traffic coming in via IP for the bbs [23:40] GameMaste - GEOS is the best way to get the absolute best print output possible from a Commodore when using PS printers. [23:40] Darn clorine seems to have caused my vision to blur alittle from all the swimming today :P [23:40] Oh, ok. [23:40] LR, you gonna try? [23:40] maybe it was the beer, thea1ien? [23:40] I have about 10 old Commodore printers, and don't know what to do with them. [23:40] Eyeth: I have some old Q-Link Geos files to send you [23:40] beer? I must've drank alot, because I don't remember any of that :) [23:40] Bruce, what is the difference between Postscript 2 and Postscript 3 in printers nowadays? [23:40] Bruce: you bet, and I find it is just the best in producivity...but that is just my opion of course [23:41] Jim: I'll have to quit IRC and log in from the shell promtp [23:41] JimB. you plan to have multi-user support sometime in the future ? [23:41] V1.6 has all of Dick Estel's Font Resource Directory in PDF files. Plus D64 images of the fonts and graphics he put out. [23:41] Bruce- Thanks for sending me the picture of the book to geoPaint/geoWrite. Looks good. I assume the book refers to an outdated versions of geoWrite/geoPaint? [23:41] BRB after I give it a try throug Linus [23:41] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-223-144.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:41] tcpser supports multi-user [23:41] Need to find a board setup that does [23:41] Centipede 128 purports to [23:41] but, someone needs to tell me how to setup [23:41] Image has multi operation [23:41] RB - I'm not sure what all PS3 adds to PS2. [23:42] well I am going to scoot before my nose hits they keyboard. Night all. [23:42] I think they called it multiplexing [23:42] You're welcome Todd. Yes the book is with V1.2 of GEOS. [23:42] RobertB- AFAIK, PostScript3 adds PDF printing if equipped with a HD. Probably some other stuff, but not that I know of. [23:42] night, gamemaste [23:42] night gamemaste [23:42] Besides, beer tends to make me abit sleepy, probably more like Vodka or other stronger alcohol....) [23:42] * gamemaste waves to all [23:42] later, gamemaste [23:42] niters gamemaste [23:42] * gamemaste (~xy3951@plns-216-222-225-13-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:42] night gm [23:42] Bye, ***. [23:43] Sorry, PinaC, there's nothing on the board right now [23:43] us east coasters are starting to fade.... [23:43] I've yet to set it up [23:43] Snog: really? I have a reg'ed copy of Image and I never heard of that. I know of the Lt Kernal's Multiplexer unit tho [23:43] I have one PS Level 1 Laser (QMS 810) and 2 - PS2 printers (both Lexmarks) [23:43] Heh, using CGterm *smirks good-naturedly* :) Nice, Jim :) [23:43] JimBrain - someday you will want a domain name that is linked to your computer. [23:43] Yes, Snog. [23:43] That's probably what torpedoed the book; The geoWrite/geoPaint book came out probably at the same time GEOS v2.0 came out. [23:43] Yes, there was a board in Daytona Beach that had 4 phone lines [23:43] WS, I have one [23:44] you have to mod image, and use a LTK with muxers, only BBS I saw doing it was DayTona On-Line [23:44] I just didn;t want to give it out here :-) [23:44] regardless if the IP address [23:44] right, JoeCommod [23:44] No, the book is C 1986. V2 didn't arrive until 1988. [23:44] Hmmm. I remember giving out a LTK board to Cameron Kaiser. That probably was the multiplexer unit. [23:44] Wish I could have a talk with that person and see how they did it...maybe with the Lt K's multi and 4 64's, I could see re-writing the board for it [23:44] BruceT- Oh ok. [23:44] Image multiplexed huh? *boggles* [23:45] for example if I typed telnet://bbs.jimbrain.com (port:6400) - I would get to the BBS [23:45] I used to be a member on that bbs, since I had friends living in Daytona Beach at that time [23:45] Not sure if Wooly is still around anymore :( [23:45] I haven't tried calling it in years, tho [23:45] Jim, did you just dump all the files in one partition or did you set up subdirectories, or? [23:45] Pina, Huh? [23:45] What files [23:45] I'm sure it's still in my phone list tho [23:45] The Centipede setup files :) [23:46] WS, you figured it out [23:46] jimbrain.com is the home machine [23:46] Oh, for now, they're all in 1 partition [23:47] Hmm... odd. I just have bad luck setting up software I guess :) [23:47] Image multiplexed was good for online chats, and I think there was even games available if I remember correctly [23:47] Snogpitch: That would be awesome :) [23:47] The idea with tcpser is to put a bank of 64s online at the same time [23:47] 8 or so [23:48] or 128's [23:48] I know on the multi-image, he had to give each 'board' thier own identity and master directory. Tehn set up some system to prevent the C=s from accsing the same file at the same time (a nono I hear) [23:48] I assume the home machine would have some sort of "script" that acts as a "real-time" gateway between the web and the C= and when the sub-domain is addressed the "server" would then link you up to the telnet. [23:48] That's why I need to finish my IEC interface [23:48] Something on the line. [23:49] WS, the "link" is called tcpser [23:49] The chat was doen by saving the messages as SEQ files and the other end had to press return now and again to check for new messages (not automatic). [23:49] It's a service [23:49] Joe: That sounds reasonable... kinda cool too :) [23:50] hmm, well I could understand the problems of different users doing stuff that would make changes to the same file at the same time, such as the user file [23:50] Hmm, LR seemed to have some trouble with the BBS [23:50] <_Fungus_> someone refreah my memory on USR files [23:50] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-223-144.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [23:50] <_Fungus_> re Lord [23:50] Welcome back, LordRonin. [23:50] what happened? [23:50] I saw you get in, do some stuff, and then ... [23:51] Yep. Just when someone connect via the bbs.sub-domain level of the domain of the home computer via Telnet they can be pass directly to the BBS [23:51] Howdy LordRonin [23:51] Hiya LR :) [23:51] Jim: did the same thing that id soes on Dr. Videos board. Starts off with the Connecting to Centipede BBs. Then ANSI characters. Nothing readable [23:51] re-hi Ronin [23:51] Had to press reset on the 128D to escape [23:51] Ah. [23:51] Hoi all again. [23:52] LR, which term are you using? [23:52] Your term must be switching char sets on you because of the ANSI escape sequence [23:52] I get that on Linux [23:52] I haven't tried it directly from Wave. Though the prompt at VCS [23:52] As I recall, there is a command you cna enter that will prevent that [23:52] As a sysop I would like to see a C= telnet BBS be written on a modern platform/language (but still serve C= CG) then you could have multi-users without all the problems/wires needed for a multi C= hardware setup. [23:52] JC, they have that. [23:52] www.pescii.com has a link [23:52] Pnacolada: Use Wave to telnet to VCS [23:53] LR: Gotcha. [23:53] What system is runnign such a beast, probably C-Net Amiga right? [23:53] LR, simply use Wave to telnet to the board. [23:53] NOt sure [23:53] There is a BBS called Rats Den that is doing just that with Cnet Amiga [23:53] I think I read about that somewhere. PC, I think. [23:53] Wave should be able to telnet directly to the BBS [23:54] Jim: I'll try that after I log out from VCS tonight. If you will kep it up for a few more hours [23:54] Sure, I'll leave it up tonight [23:54] Thanks, Will elt you know what happens [23:54] LR, I can tell you what is going on [23:54] Jim, you meant www.petscii.com, right [23:54] Centipede sends some ANSI escape sequences right after you "Hit REturn" [23:55] yes, I did [23:55] Ohhh Petscii Playground... [23:55] On some ANSI systems, the sequence switches the charset to gibberish [23:55] DOes it on my Linux box [23:55] Anyway to avoid this? [23:55] Well I am using VCS they are RedHatLinux [23:56] Like I said., I think there is a way to lock the charset in terminal [23:56] But, if you telnet direct to the board from WAVE, you should be OK [23:56] Let me know [23:56] HyperTerminal works just fine [23:56] Figured [23:56] so does CGTerm [23:56] Will do, but on my last log in at VCS right now [23:57] I sent a test email to you Jim [23:57] Fine. [23:57] I saw you write it [23:57] BBS is sitting two monitors away [23:57] Hehehe, - even the paging ping [23:57] Didn't hear that, got the sound turned down [23:57] I think the code is cool [23:57] ya, I wasn't going to page the sysop, figured he was busy here instead :) [23:57] Hehehe - I could bug LR this way. (ESG) [23:57] tcpser will support outbound connections as well [23:57] More of a Gong Wildstar. Unles the SysOP installa a wav or is it raw file [23:58] atdtjimbrain.com:6400 [23:58] And, it is 8-bit clean [23:58] You can do filetransfers with it [23:58] Yeah Wildstar, but i know the commands to make it gong on your end at different speeds. And change the background colour [23:59] Folks, I must leave for a bit so that the phone can be used. [23:59] I shall return. [23:59] OK, niters RobertB [23:59] bye Robert [23:59] BCNU Robert [23:59] here comes someone [23:59] I'm getting ready to leave myself [23:59] Later, RobertB [23:59] cya rob [23:59] I'll probably hop on my Mac and try the BBS from that [23:59] See ya, Robert. Session Time: Sun Jun 13 00:00:00 2004 [00:00] No prob [00:00] bye robert [00:00] Jim if no one is on right now. I'll end for the night and try it with Wave [00:00] My Wave setup is kind of torn down at the moment while I'm playing with the IDE64 setup [00:00] Updated the HyperTerminal with your domain name. [00:00] Time for me to go also. G'Nite to all. [00:00] BCNU c64guy [00:00] cya [00:00] Bye C64Guy [00:00] about time for me to pull the plug too. Has been interesting. Shall have to return. [00:01] nighterz c64guy [00:01] LR, WS is hogging at present [00:01] No, he got off. [00:01] * c64guy (~c64guy@tdl.com) Quit (Quit: [BX] Connection reset by panasync?) [00:01] No one is on [00:01] Catch y'all in a couple weeks if I don't get back on for a bit tonight [00:01] This should be considered unsuall [00:01] niters all [00:01] hehe [00:01] ;-? [00:01] Later, Snog :) [00:01] Bye snog [00:01] cya snog [00:01] Just done all the tests I need to do. [00:01] * Disconnected Session Close: Sun Jun 13 00:01:47 2004