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May 15 13:05:25 <LackyBoy>	Hello
May 15 13:06:07 <LackyBoy>	Am i too early?
May 15 13:12:49 <Wildstar>	yes. 
May 15 13:13:32 <Wildstar>	Schedule time will start in 4 hours and 45 minutes from now.
May 15 13:14:17 <LackyBoy>	Sorry I'm in Europe so I don't know the time diff.  Thanx  C U in 45
May 15 13:15:28 <LackyBoy>	4 and 45
May 15 13:47:15 <Wildstar>	What ever your time is (add 4 hours and 15 minutes - from now)
May 15 13:48:36 <Wildstar>	Right now in Pacific coast time is 1:48 pm. 
May 15 13:48:46 <Wildstar>	Saturday.
May 15 13:49:28 <Wildstar>	So its 4 hours and 11 minutes (1:49PM Pacific US/in Oregon)
May 15 13:49:42 <Wildstar>	from NOW.
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May 15 14:53:14 <Wildstar>	Hello all
May 15 14:53:21 <Jerz0r>	howdy.
May 15 14:53:33 <Wildstar>	How is it going ?
May 15 14:54:11 <Jerz0r>	Good
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May 15 14:55:28 <Wildstar>	That's good. 
May 15 14:55:34 <Wildstar>	How is Groepaz
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May 15 15:37:23 <Wildstar>	Ok guys, any chatting ???
May 15 15:38:48 <LackyBoy>	Nope, but I can start ;-)
May 15 15:39:18 *	groepaz is fighting with a linux kernel :=P
May 15 15:39:34 <Wildstar>	I'll be archiving the messages but I may be "AFK" for the early part of the official time.
May 15 15:40:00 *	Wildstar must whip lash the kernel
May 15 15:40:23 <LackyBoy>	Well I'll start by saying thanx to everyone who got this going!  It's hard to find english speaking c=64 users in Italy
May 15 15:41:39 <Wildstar>	I would say this would be for Snogpitch and Robert Bernardo.
May 15 15:42:03 <groepaz>	#c-64 on ircnet has been alive since 10 years or so though :=P
May 15 15:43:08 <LackyBoy>	;-)  I had to find out on a news group-Darn.
May 15 15:43:33 <groepaz>	i remember joining irc and there were not more than hundred channels and a couple of hundred users.... :=P
May 15 15:44:31 <LackyBoy>	It's sad I just started using irc...after many years on a computer,
May 15 15:44:45 <Wildstar>	Yep, those were the days
May 15 15:45:39 <Wildstar>	I wonder if Renee (on the C-One list) will show up.
May 15 15:46:47 <Wildstar>	How is going Groepaz ?
May 15 15:47:41 <groepaz>	mmh fine...except for "symbol writel_real undefined" :=)))
May 15 15:48:22 <Wildstar>	Looks like you need to get the electro-zapper for the Kernel
May 15 15:48:36 <groepaz>	lol
May 15 15:48:51 <Wildstar>	Got make it obey.
May 15 15:49:04 <groepaz>	i probably just messed up something stupid :=P
May 15 15:49:28 <Wildstar>	probable cause.
May 15 15:51:49 <Wildstar>	I certainly agree with Cameron on that Jens and Jeri should focus on getting the C-One ready for release and not worry about all the special stuff like ARM CPU and the sort.
May 15 15:52:05 <Wildstar>	That can be done later.
May 15 15:53:13 <Wildstar>	Yes Jeri, I know you're here. No rushing intended.
May 15 16:07:43 <Jerz0r>	I work on the c1 when I get spare time.
May 15 16:10:45 <Wildstar>	yep and no rush was intended.
May 15 16:34:52 <Wildstar>	I'll have to leave about 5-10 minutes and should be back by 7:30pm but my comp should be archiving.
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May 15 17:53:23 <Alan>	Hi all.
May 15 17:58:24 *	Received a CTCP PING 1084669169 from Alan
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May 15 18:09:46 <Mikec>	Hi guys
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May 15 18:13:15 <RobertB>	Hi, ***.
May 15 18:13:16 <Eyeth>	Hello, all.
May 15 18:13:20 <gamemaste>	Hello all
May 15 18:13:32 <RobertB>	Hi, Todd.
May 15 18:13:49 <Mikec>	Hi guys
May 15 18:14:28 *	Jim_Brain (~brain@12-217-179-222.client.mchsi.com) has joined #c64friends
May 15 18:14:48 <RobertB>	Hi, Mikec and Jim.
May 15 18:14:51 <Eyeth>	Hello, Jim_Brain.
May 15 18:15:04 <Jim_Brain>	howdy
May 15 18:15:34 <Eyeth>	Jim_Brain- Coming to the upcoming Louisville EXPO?
May 15 18:15:37 <RobertB>	Our esteemed leader, Snogpitch, has not arrived.
May 15 18:15:44 <Mikec>	Hi RobertB
May 15 18:16:12 <gamemaste>	He won't be in tonight as he is going going to a concert
May 15 18:16:14 <Jim_Brain>	sadly, no.  Wife is expecting, and the conference comes dangerously close to b-day.
May 15 18:16:28 <Jim_Brain>	I will try to be online and available from here it there is a need/wanty
May 15 18:16:31 <Jim_Brain>	=want
May 15 18:16:39 <Eyeth>	Hey- Congrats for your newest addition to your family.
May 15 18:16:54 <RobertB>	Oh, Snog went to a concert.  Do you who is giving the concert?
May 15 18:17:07 <gamemaste>	No I don't beleve he said
May 15 18:17:24 <RobertB>	Congratulations, Jim.  Is the baby going to be a boy or a girl?
May 15 18:17:41 <Jim_Brain>	not telling...:-)
May 15 18:17:51 <gamemaste>	lol
May 15 18:18:18 <RobertB>	Ah, a set of twins... one girl and one boy!  ;-)
May 15 18:18:23 <Eyeth>	Well, will you suitably expose your newfound addition to the love and lore of the Commodore? :)
May 15 18:18:51 <Jim_Brain>	My now 5 year old has found Jumpman and my SX-64.  Loves it.
May 15 18:19:03 <Eyeth>	Here child, you can play on this tank, umm, PET. I'm sure it'll survive little paws. :)
May 15 18:19:04 <gamemaste>	hey that is cool
May 15 18:19:06 <Jim_Brain>	The new addition will no doubt enjoy my arsenal of machines at some point
May 15 18:19:25 <Eyeth>	Cool. Jumpman is one of the underrated games.
May 15 18:19:32 <gamemaste>	The old games are still fun.
May 15 18:20:31 <Jim_Brain>	'Tis funny, but the CBM line, with a full screen editor at boot, is a better option for kids wanting to bang on keys.  I used to have Brent do that on Notepad or edit.com, but he'd always hit some "escape" key and mess things up.
May 15 18:21:04 <Jim_Brain>	In my "CBM room" here in the basement, he can bang on machines all evening long and I don't have to worry about things
May 15 18:21:10 <gamemaste>	Either that or have the interface "locked down" so he can't change anything
May 15 18:21:30 <RobertB>	I would never let a five-year old bang on my SX-64.  On a regular C64... o.k..  :-)
May 15 18:21:31 <gamemaste>	Other than him breaking the keys ;)
May 15 18:22:01 <Jim_Brain>	Well, he bangs on the 64 here.  He plays games on the SX.  The only thing he touches there is a joystick.
May 15 18:22:31 <Jim_Brain>	But, I have 4 SX uuits, so it's not the end of the world if something breaks.
May 15 18:22:34 <RobertB>	On an unbreakable joystick, I hope.
May 15 18:22:49 <gamemaste>	4? units?  Nice
May 15 18:22:54 <Eyeth>	Heh.
May 15 18:23:03 <gamemaste>	The old Tac2 were just about unbreakable
May 15 18:23:06 <Eyeth>	Well, I'm signing off. Should return later...
May 15 18:23:07 <Jim_Brain>	Yep.  I had two units from a while back, and I got another off eBay a few days ago.
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May 15 18:23:13 <gamemaste>	ok later eyeth
May 15 18:23:20 <gamemaste>	rats too slow
May 15 18:23:20 <RobertB>	Todd left quickly.
May 15 18:23:21 <Jim_Brain>	A 4th unit is a parts unit from (Rayzor, I think)
May 15 18:23:51 <Jim_Brain>	So, I have SX parts if people need things.
May 15 18:24:08 <gamemaste>	*makes a note*
May 15 18:24:37 <RobertB>	This summer I'll have to get both of my SX-64's back up to 100%.
May 15 18:24:42 <gamemaste>	I have never had a problem with my SX other than the one time the PLA fried
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May 15 18:25:24 <gamemaste>	Hello Charles
May 15 18:25:30 <Jim_Brain>	Well, let me know if you need parts
May 15 18:25:32 <RobertB>	Hi, Charles.
May 15 18:25:47 <Charles_H>	Hello Robert
May 15 18:25:47 <RobertB>	Thanks, Jim.
May 15 18:25:53 <Charles_H>	Hi to all
May 15 18:25:56 <Jim_Brain>	I would like to recoup some of my costs on this parts unit.
May 15 18:26:15 <Jim_Brain>	I spent a bit more than I shoudl have on the 2 SX's I got in the past few weeks.
May 15 18:26:22 <Jim_Brain>	Funny, the first 2 were free.
May 15 18:26:25 <RobertB>	I may need the SX-64 ROM.
May 15 18:26:29 <gamemaste>	heh know that feeling
May 15 18:26:50 <Jim_Brain>	Got that, and screws and keys and a working monitor, and case parts.
May 15 18:27:39 <gamemaste>	One of these days I should take my SX apart and reinstall the Ramlink jumper.  I had to take it out for some reason and never got it back in.
May 15 18:27:39 <Charles_H>	Thought you would not be here tonight Robert.
May 15 18:28:16 <RobertB>	Very nice!  One SX is screwy, because someone put in a custom ROM and now that has gone bad.
May 15 18:28:32 <RobertB>	I thought so too, Charles, but my friend's wedding was over by 3:00 Pacific time.
May 15 18:29:00 <Charles_H>	Glad you could make it.
May 15 18:29:02 <gamemaste>	hmm that is early to end a reception
May 15 18:29:10 <Jim_Brain>	The cards are also up for grabs, but not sure how much on them works
May 15 18:29:11 <gamemaste>	must have had plans for the rest of the day
May 15 18:29:34 <RobertB>	After 4 hours there, the wedding site would have charged big money per hour.
May 15 18:29:43 <gamemaste>	ahh
May 15 18:29:57 <RobertB>	An entire SX card...nice!
May 15 18:30:50 <Wildstar>	Hallo guys
May 15 18:30:58 <gamemaste>	hello wild
May 15 18:31:36 <gamemaste>	Oh does every SX have a heat sink on one of the chips on the main SX board?  I forget which chip.
May 15 18:31:37 <Jim_Brain>	Yep.  Front bezel, knobs, it's all there.  
May 15 18:31:45 <Jim_Brain>	The VIC, I think
May 15 18:31:52 <gamemaste>	Ok figgured
May 15 18:31:57 <Mikec>	Hi Wild*
May 15 18:32:09 <RobertB>	Hi, Rick.
May 15 18:32:19 <gamemaste>	I have never been inside any SX except my own and I wondered if they all had that or if it was something the previous owner did.
May 15 18:32:27 <Wildstar>	Got back to the keyboard. Had to do something for a little bit and yes my comp was archiving.
May 15 18:32:44 <RobertB>	Rick, Snog is not here tonight so it looks like your archive is the one.
May 15 18:33:08 <Wildstar>	Yep. I guess it be.
May 15 18:34:12 <Wildstar>	Hallo MikeC
May 15 18:35:02 <Mikec>	Seems like not a lot of action this week in CBM land. Anyone have any news?
May 15 18:35:09 *	Wildstar Plastered needs a bigger trout
May 15 18:35:17 <gamemaste>	lol
May 15 18:35:21 <gamemaste>	that is a different one
May 15 18:35:23 <RobertB>	I haven't made the report yet to all C= people, but I got William Shatner's autograph again!  :-)
May 15 18:35:42 <gamemaste>	how many does that make now?
May 15 18:35:47 <gamemaste>	and what did you get signed?
May 15 18:35:55 <RobertB>	3, ***.
May 15 18:36:16 <RobertB>	It was what everyone suggested here.
May 15 18:36:25 <RobertB>	The Commodore telephone!
May 15 18:36:27 <Charles_H>	Speaking of which, I'm watching Star Trek "Search for Spock"
May 15 18:36:46 <gamemaste>	Heh cool, well there was several suggestions as what to use if I remember right.
May 15 18:36:58 <gamemaste>	And what did he say when you brought that forward for him to sign?
May 15 18:37:20 <RobertB>	He said, "A telephone?"
May 15 18:37:52 <RobertB>	Charles, was there any Commodore in the background of ST:SFS?
May 15 18:37:55 <gamemaste>	meaning he didn't know they made one evidently...or just never signed a telephone heh
May 15 18:38:00 <Alan>	He probably doesn't even remember selling the VIC.
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May 15 18:38:10 <Wildstar>	Bet he didn't expect a "Commodore" TELEPHONE/
May 15 18:38:15 <Charles_H>	None I'm aware of
May 15 18:38:23 <gamemaste>	hello hondo welcome
May 15 18:38:27 <RobertB>	Hi, Hodo.
May 15 18:38:33 <hodo>	Hi folks
May 15 18:38:55 <RobertB>	Last year when he signed my VIC-20, he asked whether Commodore was still in business.
May 15 18:38:57 <Wildstar>	Hallo Odo
May 15 18:39:02 <Wildstar>	Oops, Hodo
May 15 18:39:03 <hodo>	I'm from the Toronto area
May 15 18:39:21 <gamemaste>	guess he is way out of the loop heh
May 15 18:39:36 <Mikec>	Hodo: so am I
May 15 18:39:37 <RobertB>	One day I must make it to Toronto.  Hodo, do yo go to the TPUG meetings there?
May 15 18:39:48 <hodo>	Over the last week or so, I've resurrected my C64 stuff
May 15 18:39:51 <gamemaste>	afk
May 15 18:39:53 <Alan>	That's a cool idea, having him sign a VIC.  I bet he hasn't signed many of those.
May 15 18:40:00 <hodo>	Never attended TPUG
May 15 18:40:08 <Wildstar>	Starfleet must not have updated him.
May 15 18:40:35 <Alan>	I noticed in STII that Starfleet is still using PETs
May 15 18:40:38 <hodo>	And I got acquaited with all the cbm usenet groups
May 15 18:40:48 <Charles_H>	Is Commodore Business Machines completely gone now in all respects?
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May 15 18:41:03 <Alan>	Basically.
May 15 18:41:07 <Wildstar>	Actually they are now owned by Tulip Computers
May 15 18:41:40 <Charles_H>	They own CBM or just the name?
May 15 18:41:50 <Alan>	My understanding is that Commodore is kind of like Atari today.  The name and logo are still around, but it doesn't have any relationship to the company we remember
May 15 18:41:59 <Wildstar>	It is its own "business unit" - Commodore International B.V.
May 15 18:42:08 <hodo>	I discovered the magic of the X1541 cable series to transfer stuff from my old floppies to the PC
May 15 18:42:10 <LordRonin>	Hoi Robert: Made it again this week
May 15 18:42:54 <RobertB>	Hi, Dave.
May 15 18:43:04 <Wildstar>	Tulip owns EVERYTHING in terms of Commodore except for the buildings
May 15 18:43:14 <Wildstar>	AND Amiga
May 15 18:43:21 <LordRonin>	Shall see if on BitchX I can be on longer than 2 minutes.
May 15 18:43:24 <Charles_H>	I'm doing just the opposite, using an XE1541 cable to transfer from CD's to floppys
May 15 18:43:30 <Alan>	hodo, I just got one a few months ago.  Great aren't they?
May 15 18:43:39 <RobertB>	Starfleet was advanced with its PETs, Alan.
May 15 18:43:48 <hodo>	I built an X1541 which worked on my old 486 laptop but not in either pentium pc's
May 15 18:44:12 <Mikec>	Anyone live near West Chester? Last I was here (about 5 years ago), it was still name the Commodore Business Park or something like that.
May 15 18:44:18 <Wildstar>	ESCOM originally bought Commodore in WHOLE and later sold the Amiga part to Gateway and the rest of Commodore was sold to Tulip
May 15 18:44:29 <Charles_H>	XE or XM for pentium use
May 15 18:44:37 <hodo>	So I built an XE1541 which worked on the P200MMX but not on the PIII-800 Celeron
May 15 18:44:49 <Wildstar>	1200 Wilson Drive facilities are now owned by QVC
May 15 18:45:20 <Wildstar>	The Business Park may still have its name.
May 15 18:45:23 <hodo>	The conversion of the XE to XM1541 didn't work on the PIII-800 so I bought an XAP1541 from Joe Forster
May 15 18:45:51 <LordRonin>	Hey #8, interested in working on a project for the ACUG?
May 15 18:46:09 <Wildstar>	MikeC, the 1200 Wilson Drive facilities are West Chester facilities.
May 15 18:46:16 <RobertB>	Hodo, that's very good that you are putting Pentiums for use under 64HDD.
May 15 18:46:23 <Wildstar>	LR, ok - what's the project ?
May 15 18:46:45 <Alan>	I use an XE1541 with my 64hdd and a P100
May 15 18:46:53 <LordRonin>	Looks like we are getting a 386 to turn into a Linux slave for the C=
May 15 18:46:57 <hodo>	However, the XAP1541 only works on the PIII-800 from a floppy DOS boot, so I can't use my NTFS HD's 
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May 15 18:47:15 <Sir_Paul>	hello
May 15 18:47:21 <LordRonin>	Hoi Sir Paul
May 15 18:47:21 <RobertB>	Hi, Sir_Paul.
May 15 18:47:39 <Wildstar>	Hmmm.... Ok, 386.
May 15 18:48:17 <LordRonin>	IIRC that is what #4 told me. I have to dig up Ray Allen's info on how to do the job.
May 15 18:48:27 <Mikec>	Wildstar, yeah I know. Big place...several buildings...ever been there?
May 15 18:48:29 <Wildstar>	It will need to have a video card and some RAM and possibly sound.
May 15 18:48:38 <gamemaste>	back
May 15 18:48:42 <LordRonin>	#30 here says he remembers it as a Pentium
May 15 18:48:45 <RobertB>	Hey, Dave, I was thinking of the Grand C= Tour this summer.
May 15 18:48:54 <Wildstar>	Nah, but I seen photos of it.
May 15 18:48:54 <hodo>	I've sent a note to Joe Forster with the system info with confirmation I've tried all his installation and troubleshooting tips
May 15 18:49:01 <Sir_Paul>	and what's that?
May 15 18:49:25 <RobertB>	Are you talking to me, Sir_Paul?
May 15 18:49:32 <LordRonin>	Robert, be welcome to pop by here and see the shop, and my experiments with Computer Eyes.
May 15 18:49:39 <Wildstar>	386 was a predecessor to the Pentium. Pentium roughly equals 586.
May 15 18:49:47 <Wildstar>	486 was inbetween
May 15 18:49:48 <Sir_Paul>	yes
May 15 18:50:02 <Sir_Paul>	sorry for not being specific
May 15 18:50:11 <LordRonin>	Well for me it is alien and heretical. But could be a help with the C= work.
May 15 18:50:15 <gamemaste>	Actually there was a 486 before a Penitum
May 15 18:50:29 <Wildstar>	Yes.
May 15 18:50:36 <LordRonin>	Remember I'm the one that only uses C= related items.
May 15 18:50:45 <Wildstar>	That is what I meant by 486 was inbetween
May 15 18:50:50 <RobertB>	The Grand C= Tour... up to Astoria, Oregon to visit Dave's C= club.  Over to Ethel, Washington...
May 15 18:50:57 <Sir_Paul>	oh
May 15 18:50:58 <gamemaste>	And there is not Pentium 4, so that would be 886 heh
May 15 18:51:04 <RobertB>	to visit Ray Carlsen for C= repairs...
May 15 18:51:13 <gamemaste>	or rather they are now up to Pentium 4
May 15 18:51:14 <Alan>	LordRonin, so you're using a C= right now?
May 15 18:51:24 <RobertB>	Then up to Tacoma to visit UPCHUG.
May 15 18:51:36 <hodo>	Has anyone been able to get XE/XM/XAP1541 cables to work on PIII or better pc's, under XP?
May 15 18:51:51 <gamemaste>	Yes I see you posted that wild, for some reason I got a little lag it appears
May 15 18:51:54 <RobertB>	Up to Victoria or Vancouver, BC, for thrift-shopping for Commodores...
May 15 18:52:16 <Wildstar>	LR currently uses ONLY C=
May 15 18:52:21 <Sir_Paul>	sounds like fun.. I wish I could go there
May 15 18:52:26 <RobertB>	Flying from there to Edmonton, Alberta to visit GEOS Bruce Thomas and his club...
May 15 18:52:46 <Wildstar>	ok, gamemaster
May 15 18:52:49 <RobertB>	including a visit to the world's largest mall, the West Edmonton Mall.
May 15 18:52:51 <Alan>	So what's the best way to get a C= online?  
May 15 18:52:56 <LordRonin>	Any speculation on the GeoPublish 1.1?
May 15 18:53:07 <hodo>	Anybody here in the SX-64 club?
May 15 18:53:11 <LordRonin>	IMNSHO Wheels & Wave
May 15 18:53:25 <LordRonin>	Hodo, got one that needs the 1541 fixed.
May 15 18:53:26 <gamemaste>	with a modem Alan ;)
May 15 18:53:37 <RobertB>	Only Todd would know the real answers to GP 1.1.
May 15 18:53:53 <Mikec>	RobertB, or you could take a train across Canada. Quite a stunning scene.
May 15 18:53:57 <hodo>	I have 3 SX-64's and a complete set of spare parts for a fourth
May 15 18:54:17 <gamemaste>	Seriously, get a Swiftlink and a standard hayes compatiable external modem
May 15 18:54:25 <LordRonin>	Hodo, interested in parting with one of them?
May 15 18:54:25 <RobertB>	Hmmm, a train... that's an idea, Mikec... but is it cheaper?  :-)
May 15 18:54:33 <gamemaste>	then either use Desterm or Novaterm (at least those are my personal favorites)
May 15 18:54:51 <LordRonin>	Yeah the Swiftlink/Turbo 232 is mandatory to brake 2400 baud.
May 15 18:54:57 <RobertB>	Yeah, Desterm 2.01... my favorite.
May 15 18:54:59 <hodo>	The only SX-64 part I don't have is the monitor....its failure is the reason for the other spares
May 15 18:55:19 <LordRonin>	Gamemaster, Dialogue SL for the 128 is also great.
May 15 18:55:21 <Mikec>	RobertB, I believe there are packages available. It's certainly cheaper than flying. Flying in Canada is usually expensive. It's cheaper to fly from Toronto to LA than Toronto to Vancouver.
May 15 18:55:22 <Wildstar>	LR, with only a 386 - I would not recommend running KDE Desktop or GNOME desktop. As they will fill up the RAM really quick.
May 15 18:55:25 <gamemaste>	You can get 9600, but it was a unusual modem and was not as reliable as a swiftlink
May 15 18:55:35 <gamemaste>	(I forget the name of it at the moment)
May 15 18:55:55 <RobertB>	Thanks, Mikec.  I will ask Bruce Thomas for more specifics.
May 15 18:55:57 <Alan>	Swiftlink/Turbo232 are CMD products, right?
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May 15 18:56:21 <LordRonin>	Alan yeah those are CMD units
May 15 18:56:22 <Sir_Paul>	makes me feel kind of pathetic.. all I have is a standard C-64 and a 1541 with a Database program
May 15 18:56:25 <hodo>	LordR, I think I'll hang onto them for a while, until I establish my future needs
May 15 18:56:26 <Mikec>	RobertB, go to http://www.viarail.ca/ for more info.
May 15 18:56:31 <gamemaste>	Lord Ronin, I Never used Dialouge, but I have heard nothing but good thigns about it
May 15 18:56:38 <Jim_Brain>	I have a working SX monitor.
May 15 18:56:40 <Charles_H>	As I recall, the 9600 was only available on a C128 in 80 column mode
May 15 18:56:49 <LordRonin>	Call my BBS. Have the SL and stock version with the Dox
May 15 18:56:52 <Alan>	Which means it's basically impossible to get one.
May 15 18:56:56 <RobertB>	Ooo, thanks, Mikec.
May 15 18:57:21 <Mikec>	RobertB, no prob. Maybe we'll see you in Toronto one day. ;)
May 15 18:57:24 <LordRonin>	Might have one spare in the boxes, Wildstar may have a spare SL
May 15 18:57:36 <RobertB>	Sir_Paul, an appropriate cartridge or JiffyDOS would do wonders for a standard system.
May 15 18:57:37 <gamemaste>	Nope you could use it on the C64, I did it as I got one of those modems at one point, but it did not use standard Hayes instructions so I sent it back
May 15 18:57:55 <Charles_H>	It plugged into the user port (like a 1200/2400 baud)
May 15 18:57:56 <hodo>	LR, I read recently that regular 1541's can easily be converted to SX-64 1541's by transfering wires to the SX configuration
May 15 18:58:01 <gamemaste>	It also had its flaky modments at 9600
May 15 18:58:06 <gamemaste>	moments rather
May 15 18:58:15 <RobertB>	Mikec, does TPUG have any kind of show/expo in Toronto?
May 15 18:58:28 <LordRonin>	I used to log on at 14.4 with Dialogue, DesTerm and NovaTerm to the local Ansi boards and the local shell account.
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May 15 18:58:53 <gamemaste>	Yes forgot to mention that, you will need a shell account
May 15 18:59:00 <gamemaste>	from a ISP
May 15 18:59:04 <LordRonin>	Hoi dracosilv
May 15 18:59:07 <hodo>	The only concern about the SX-64 1541 conversion is that you likely need the latch type as the lever type may interfere with the keyboard
May 15 18:59:15 <Sir_Paul>	yeah, I know
May 15 18:59:21 <RobertB>	Hodo, SX-64 drives are different than regular drives?
May 15 18:59:27 <RobertB>	Hi, dracosilv.
May 15 18:59:29 <Sir_Paul>	I just need to get my hands on one
May 15 18:59:34 <LordRonin>	Then Alan you can connect with the C=
May 15 18:59:49 <dracosilv>	hello.
May 15 18:59:51 <hodo>	Yes, the connectors are different, but the actual wires are identical
May 15 18:59:52 <gamemaste>	Robert, they are a standard 1541 pull down type drive
May 15 19:00:03 <Jim_Brain>	SX drives are just regular ALPs mechs
May 15 19:00:10 <hodo>	Yes
May 15 19:00:17 <Charles_H>	I had a 128D with a Turbo232/33.3K baud modem using the WAVE with WHEELS and could log onto the internet through the local ISP.
May 15 19:00:17 <gamemaste>	Easy to swap them if needed
May 15 19:00:18 <dracosilv>	i have a problem... my 1541 drive hooked up to my pc doesn't work.
May 15 19:00:31 <Jim_Brain>	Looking at the SX sitting here, U could use a newtronics (lever) unit if you made the lever half height
May 15 19:00:38 <dracosilv>	when i go into star commander, it says "drive 8 not found"
May 15 19:00:40 <Mikec>	RobertB, nothing that I know of sure. There is an event called CompuFest (a couple of times a year) that they usually have a booth at. Leif Bloomquist knows a lot more than me.
May 15 19:00:56 <LordRonin>	Charles That is what I am doing now, save I must telnet to VCS first
May 15 19:01:02 <RobertB>	Sir_Paul, a good cart I would recommend is Warpspeed v2 or Super Snapshot v.*.
May 15 19:01:02 <hodo>	Can't swap regular ALPS without changing the connectors
May 15 19:01:10 <Alan>	Anyone know of problems with Novaterm, Desterm, etc, and 64HDD?
May 15 19:01:14 <Charles_H>	I've had the same problem Dracosilv
May 15 19:01:25 <gamemaste>	I prefer Super Snapshot myself
May 15 19:01:31 <Sir_Paul>	and where would I get one of those?
May 15 19:01:38 <RobertB>	Ah-ha, a TPUG booth!
May 15 19:01:52 <gamemaste>	Look on ebay
May 15 19:01:58 <Charles_H>	Try turning the drive off, unhook the cable and try again. Then hook up the cable and turn the drive on and try again
May 15 19:02:02 <Jim_Brain>	* pulls out his SX
May 15 19:02:07 <gamemaste>	or ask in the newsgroup
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May 15 19:02:18 <Sir_Paul>	all right
May 15 19:02:20 <LordRonin>	wb groepaz
May 15 19:02:28 <Wildstar>	LR, there is indeed a learning curve to Linux. I would even suggest over time to get some books on Linux to learn how to better use it and work with it in connection with your Commodore computers.
May 15 19:02:29 <RobertB>	Well, Warpspeed v.2 is sold used (though the ROM is out there for download).
May 15 19:02:46 <LordRonin>	Sir Paul IIRC some one has rights to the SS. Centsible??
May 15 19:02:49 <gamemaste>	Btw with all the SX-64 talk I want to mention to NEVER plug a modem into the user port
May 15 19:02:50 <RobertB>	Super Snapshot v.5 is still sold new.
May 15 19:02:54 <Mikec>	RobertB ... I just reread my message that I sent you and I sound drunk ;) For the record, I'm not.
May 15 19:03:11 <gamemaste>	Unless a trace is cut, you can fry your SX
May 15 19:03:18 <RobertB>	Mikec, I didn't even notice.  :-)
May 15 19:03:26 <RobertB>	Hi, Groepaz.
May 15 19:03:28 <dracosilv>	any other things that may be wrong with the drive? like if it is broken?
May 15 19:03:35 <LordRonin>	Heard about the learning curve from #4 and the local Linux guy
May 15 19:03:37 <gamemaste>	Robert Super Snapshot is still sold new?  I thought it was stoped
May 15 19:04:07 <Charles_H>	I didn't know that about using a modem with an SX64. Guess I never tried using a modem on mine.
May 15 19:04:09 <RobertB>	Why do you say to never plug a modem into the SX user port, ***?
May 15 19:04:17 <gamemaste>	Draco, are you sure your cable is ok?  How about your serial port on your computer, does that work with other devices ok?
May 15 19:04:20 <hodo>	I've put photos of my SX-64 and other stuff at http://members.rogers.com/hodo/c64.htm
May 15 19:04:31 <Charles_H>	Centsible Software still sells Super Snapshot
May 15 19:04:42 <LordRonin>	gamemaste, think there was something about it in c.s.c. a few months ago.
May 15 19:04:52 <RobertB>	Yes, ***, SSv5 is still sold new from Joe Palumbo of Canada.  And Centsible gets it from Joe.
May 15 19:04:52 <gamemaste>	Robert, becuse there is a problem on the board and one of the pins is shorted that should not be.  I forget what pins.
May 15 19:04:58 <Jim_Brain>	looks like the same connectors to me...
May 15 19:05:00 <Mikec>	RobertB, you can also check out TPUG's site at http://tpug.icomm.ca . It hasn't been updated in months but I think you'll find some useful info and contacts.
May 15 19:05:09 <dracosilv>	i dunno.  i checked the cable... and found that the shield (on the drive end) was hooked up to pin 5 on the printer port end.
May 15 19:05:13 <hodo>	I used both a 1650 and a 1670 modem on my SX-64's
May 15 19:05:46 <dracosilv>	actually it says 'drive 8 not present'
May 15 19:05:47 <LordRonin>	I have used the Aproteh 2400 mini on mine.
May 15 19:05:55 <RobertB>	Mikec, I never check the TPUG site, because it doesn't get updated.
May 15 19:06:01 <gamemaste>	Plugging a modem into a SX without that trace cut can fry it.  And the odd thing it is like rolling the dice, somtimes it will and somtimes it won't.
May 15 19:06:25 <hodo>	Is SuperSnapshot still the premier cartridge for the 64? I have 2 of them
May 15 19:06:26 <Wildstar>	Yep and I want to make sure you are aware of that. It will take time to learn the terms as well.
May 15 19:06:31 <RobertB>	Yes, Aprotek Mini-Modem 2400... a favorite of mine.
May 15 19:06:32 <gamemaste>	Ahh Aprotech!  That is the modem I was trying to remember before
May 15 19:06:58 <RobertB>	Hodo, our European friends prefer the Action/Retro Replay.
May 15 19:07:15 <Mikec>	RobertB, true but if you do want to come up to Toronto, I'm sure they can provide you with info as to the various expo's and events.
May 15 19:07:17 <Jim_Brain>	hodo, why do U say conenctors have to be changed?
May 15 19:07:18 <LordRonin>	Wildstar, you know my problem with new terms or terms that are familiar but mean something new.
May 15 19:07:25 <Charles_H>	Try turning the drive off and unhook the cale and hit control-R (to re-read the disk), it will come back as drive 8 not present. Then hook up the cable and turn the drive on and try again. Sometimes it works then.
May 15 19:07:30 <Jim_Brain>	ALPs '41 has 15 and 5, so do SX
May 15 19:07:32 <gamemaste>	Action replay does have some nice features, like GUI interface
May 15 19:07:40 <groepaz>	hu?
May 15 19:07:48 <groepaz>	thats final cartridge
May 15 19:07:50 <RobertB>	O.K., Mikec... but I wouldn't come in the winter!  ;-)
May 15 19:07:59 <gamemaste>	whops sorry you are right
May 15 19:08:00 <groepaz>	AR doesnt have a gui :)
May 15 19:08:10 <gamemaste>	got my carts mixed for a sec
May 15 19:08:14 <groepaz>	(thank god)
May 15 19:08:23 <dracosilv>	nothing... didn't work charles.
May 15 19:08:32 <Wildstar>	yes, but you may want to add the definition to the dictionary. Ok I would suggest taking notes of what the term means in "Linus-speak".
May 15 19:08:46 <Wildstar>	"Linux-speak".
May 15 19:08:53 <Charles_H>	I have the same problem getting Star Commander to recognize my 1581 drive
May 15 19:08:59 <hodo>	Connections have to be changed as the 13 pin connectors don't have the same wires connected
May 15 19:09:06 <LordRonin>	Well I promise not to take the 45 and shoot it right off the bat. ;-?
May 15 19:09:20 <Wildstar>	Ok.
May 15 19:09:27 <Jim_Brain>	But, the SX sitting here open right doesn;t have a 13 pin conn.  It has a 15 pin one, just like the regular 41
May 15 19:09:43 <LordRonin>	Don't know what Linux to use. #4 and the others are using Mandrake
May 15 19:09:48 <RobertB>	Hey, Dave, what is the exact date of your June meeting in Astoria?
May 15 19:10:02 <hodo>	Sorry, it's 15 pins, but the number of wires connected there are different
May 15 19:10:15 <LordRonin>	Robert, AFTKB for a moment to check
May 15 19:10:22 <Wildstar>	I and others (who knows Linux) will help in our spare time. Just ask.
May 15 19:10:22 <RobertB>	O.K.
May 15 19:10:42 <LordRonin>	17/June at 7pm in the new shop.
May 15 19:10:56 <Wildstar>	Yep the 17th of June at 7pm
May 15 19:11:05 <LordRonin>	Great #8 that was part of the project I meant.
May 15 19:11:32 <LordRonin>	#8, Geos disk this month. Newsletter isn't ready yet.
May 15 19:11:41 <Wildstar>	Ok.
May 15 19:12:07 <RobertB>	Ay... June 17... Darn... I might not make it... school activities perhaps.
May 15 19:12:19 <dracosilv>	well do you think a re-install of starcommander would make the computer recognize it charles?
May 15 19:12:27 <Wildstar>	How about July, Robert.
May 15 19:12:33 <RobertB>	I'd like to see all your experiments with ComputerEyes.
May 15 19:12:34 <Charles_H>	Probably not.
May 15 19:12:42 <LordRonin>	That late in the month for school activities?
May 15 19:13:01 <dracosilv>	man... this sucks... my only drive, and it doesn't work.
May 15 19:13:06 <Charles_H>	The help file has the same advice I just gave you and it usually works for me.
May 15 19:13:17 <RobertB>	The district wants me to take more in-service (and they would pay me!).
May 15 19:13:20 <LordRonin>	Not a problem, hope to have some in this issue of The Village Green. Using Scrap it!
May 15 19:13:24 <dracosilv>	if i had a 'real' c64 then i could tell right off the bat.
May 15 19:13:31 <RobertB>	What is the date for July?
May 15 19:13:33 <hodo>	The problem with reconfiguring a regular 1541 to the SX configuration is that the wire colours for the same connections vary amongst 1541's.  So one has to use the wiring schematic to make sure the correct ones are transplanted
May 15 19:13:56 <LordRonin>	AT least you get "paid" ;-?
May 15 19:13:57 <Wildstar>	Probably the 15th of July
May 15 19:14:13 <RobertB>	Hodo, I've never had a SX drive go bad on me.
May 15 19:14:13 <LordRonin>	Confirmed as the 15th
May 15 19:14:22 <Sir_Paul>	should I also get GEOS?
May 15 19:14:37 <LordRonin>	YES!!
May 15 19:14:38 <RobertB>	July 15... a possibility.
May 15 19:14:40 <hodo>	Neither have I, that's why I've never used my spare
May 15 19:14:44 <Wildstar>	Yep, that is it. Every "third" Thursday of the month
May 15 19:14:45 <Charles_H>	Make sure you have SC set up to use a 1541 and it is set up for drive 8
May 15 19:15:03 <RobertB>	Sir_Paul, you would definitely need a second drive in order to use GEOS.
May 15 19:15:08 <Charles_H>	When using a stock 1541
May 15 19:15:09 <Sir_Paul>	ok
May 15 19:15:20 <LordRonin>	Also a REU would be a great help
May 15 19:15:36 <Wildstar>	Hey, that's the voting of officers.
May 15 19:15:37 <LordRonin>	Forget it if you are doing a single drive
May 15 19:15:39 <gamemaste>	Actually you can use it with one drive.  But more hardware you have the better GEOS operates
May 15 19:15:44 <Charles_H>	An REU is a GREAT help for use with GEOS
May 15 19:15:50 <Jim_Brain>	prob with putting a newtronics in the SX is the color of the bezel
May 15 19:15:55 <Charles_H>	The larger the better
May 15 19:16:00 <Wildstar>	If I recall right.
May 15 19:16:05 <Jim_Brain>	Checked, and the SX is charcoal, the Newtronics is dark brown.
May 15 19:16:14 <Jim_Brain>	brb
May 15 19:16:18 <RobertB>	Well, I really like Wheels.  Gets rid of problems with GEOS. (but Wheels requires a REU).
May 15 19:16:31 <Charles_H>	A SuperCPU really make GEOS fly as well.
May 15 19:16:39 <gamemaste>	Not to mention a Ramlink
May 15 19:16:47 <LordRonin>	Yeah Wildstar our 26th anniversary meeting
May 15 19:17:06 <LordRonin>	Running a SCPU at the moment for Wheels-Wave
May 15 19:17:14 <Wildstar>	Maybe, he will have the KB cake.
May 15 19:17:20 <RobertB>	Dave, the July meeting is your anniversary?
May 15 19:17:22 <Charles_H>	With geos installed in a RamLink you can have geos up and running is seconds
May 15 19:17:26 <Sir_Paul>	well, I found a page where I can buy both of those (I think)
May 15 19:17:35 <LordRonin>	Kitty Box cake is mandatory for the meeting!! <BG>
May 15 19:17:48 <RobertB>	Both of which, Sir_Paul?
May 15 19:18:02 <Sir_Paul>	JiffyDOS and RAMLink
May 15 19:18:09 <RobertB>	Ah, the famous Kitty Box cake!  ;-)
May 15 19:18:14 <LordRonin>	Robert, yeah that is our 26th. Not sure what is ahppening for the celebration. Save home made bread and kitty box cake.
May 15 19:18:18 <Charles_H>	Of course you will ned GwosMakeBoot to install in a RamLink (I think)
May 15 19:18:21 <dracosilv>	hey. when i try to access the drive, it doesn't even try to read ( the light stays off)
May 15 19:18:26 <Charles_H>	GeosMakeBoot
May 15 19:18:34 <RobertB>	Sir_Paul, what page are you looking at?
May 15 19:18:48 <Sir_Paul>	http://www.cmdweb.de/
May 15 19:18:58 <Wildstar>	Yep, Robert.
May 15 19:19:09 <RobertB>	Oh, the German site... do they have them in stock, though?
May 15 19:19:29 <Sir_Paul>	not sure.. I'm looking now
May 15 19:19:33 <Charles_H>	(Just a thought) Are you sure the printer port is not tied up in some way?
May 15 19:20:14 <dracosilv>	how would i tell?  i use it in dos.
May 15 19:20:22 <Charles_H>	I'm not an expert with Star Commander, just manage to struggle along with it myself.
May 15 19:20:38 <dracosilv>	but do you think i could try using an add-on printer card to see if the printer port on board is bad?
May 15 19:20:48 <RobertB>	Brb.  I'm getting a calendar, Dave.
May 15 19:20:49 <Wildstar>	Hey, Robert - if you can get Jeri and "Jens" ?
May 15 19:21:20 <gamemaste>	Sir Paul, one thing I should mention with Ramlink if you get that you autmatically have JiffyDos installed on the computers end when the Ramlink is enabled.
May 15 19:21:27 <RobertB>	I'm back.
May 15 19:21:31 <gamemaste>	wb
May 15 19:21:38 <Charles_H>	Do you have a printer you can hook up to it and try it with the PC?
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May 15 19:21:39 <RobertB>	What are you saying, Rick?
May 15 19:21:43 <Sir_Paul>	ok
May 15 19:21:48 <RobertB>	Hi, fy001.
May 15 19:21:53 <fy001>	hi
May 15 19:21:55 <LordRonin>	Hoi fy001
May 15 19:22:09 <Mikec>	...I'll be back...need to check out for a few minutes...
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May 15 19:22:35 <Charles_H>	brb (have to water the flowers)
May 15 19:22:37 <Wildstar>	Oh, if you could bring Jeri along....
May 15 19:22:43 <LordRonin>	Hoi Mad Kat
May 15 19:22:44 <RobertB>	July 15... that could be a possibility, Dave.
May 15 19:22:51 <Mad_Kat>	Hello all
May 15 19:22:53 <RobertB>	Hi, Mad_Kat.
May 15 19:23:05 <dracosilv>	i'll try that charles... but i can't do that now, since i will be going to bed soon.
May 15 19:23:06 <gamemaste>	Hi MadKat
May 15 19:23:07 <Mad_Kat>	Fresno Bob!! :)
May 15 19:23:11 <dracosilv>	but thanx for the idea.
May 15 19:23:13 <RobertB>	Along... Where, Rick?
May 15 19:23:21 <Mad_Kat>	hi game
May 15 19:23:22 <Wildstar>	To Astoria.
May 15 19:23:25 <RobertB>	:-)
May 15 19:23:45 <RobertB>	Oh... well, I can try... but she has a mind of her own.
May 15 19:23:46 <dracosilv>	gotta go.
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May 15 19:23:56 <Alan>	I'm off. Take care everyone.
May 15 19:24:03 <RobertB>	dracosilv went fast.
May 15 19:24:03 <Mad_Kat>	l8er alan
May 15 19:24:05 <LordRonin>	BCNU ALan
May 15 19:24:08 <gamemaste>	later Alan
May 15 19:24:10 <RobertB>	Bye, Alan.
May 15 19:24:12 <Wildstar>	yeah, we "almost" have to kidnap her.
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May 15 19:24:32 <Charles_H>	back again
May 15 19:24:39 <RobertB>	Not me, Rick.  Those nails of hers are threatening.
May 15 19:24:41 <gamemaste>	lol wild
May 15 19:25:20 <Wildstar>	Nah, doesn't scare me. (Jeri isn't hiding is she)
May 15 19:25:32 *	Wildstar looking
May 15 19:25:39 <RobertB>	And she's quite strong.
May 15 19:25:48 <LordRonin>	Well She knows how fanatical and militant this U.G. is from her last visit. At least we have meeting space this time.
May 15 19:26:08 <gamemaste>	Well if you lug Commodore equipment around all the time.....you tend to get that way heh
May 15 19:26:18 <RobertB>	Tell me about the shop, Dave.  Is it spacious?
May 15 19:26:49 <gamemaste>	Esepcially if you haul SX's around, those will definitly build musscle
May 15 19:26:56 <LordRonin>	FWIW our group is open to visitors
May 15 19:27:06 <RobertB>	Yes, the SX exercise regimen!
May 15 19:27:15 <Wildstar>	Eh, I have lugged computing equipment from the College to my place. (That's about oh, 7 blocks
May 15 19:27:38 <RobertB>	Is the shop the same one that I visited a few years ago (except rebuilt)?
May 15 19:27:44 <LordRonin>	Not really Robert. About 1/3 the size of the old one. Beter use of space and neater looking!!
May 15 19:27:57 <RobertB>	Oh... smaller!
May 15 19:28:11 <Wildstar>	Yes, it is near where he lives
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May 15 19:28:22 <RobertB>	Neater is good.  Jeri would want to visit a neat shop.
May 15 19:28:50 <LordRonin>	Built the new shop under the strip bar in the laundry. C= & 7 coloured walls and ceiling. <G>
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May 15 19:29:08 <RobertB>	Strip bar?!
May 15 19:29:09 <Wildstar>	It tends to be cleaned up a bit before the annual meeting.
May 15 19:29:15 <LordRonin>	Only about 45 feet from the house.
May 15 19:29:16 <gamemaste>	wb mike
May 15 19:29:20 <MikeC>	I'm back...
May 15 19:29:20 <RobertB>	Hi, Mikec.
May 15 19:29:22 <LordRonin>	wb Mike
May 15 19:29:35 <Wildstar>	Um, yeah but that is above the shop.
May 15 19:29:55 <RobertB>	Strip bar... wow, what an interesting neighbor to have!
May 15 19:29:55 <gamemaste>	afk for a few
May 15 19:30:19 <LordRonin>	Too loud, painted black and after awhile it is boring. Also too expensive. Not as good as what we had in Nam.
May 15 19:31:04 <RobertB>	I see that you have checked it out.  ;-)  Thanks for the review.  :-)
May 15 19:31:27 <Charles_H>	Nam? Now you are telling your age.
May 15 19:31:30 <LordRonin>	The illusions that I sell in AD&D have more substance, than the illusions the girls present.
May 15 19:31:49 <LordRonin>	Used to work there as the repair tech.
May 15 19:31:54 <RobertB>	I went to my friend's bachelors activities last Saturday.  I was looking more for Benny Hill...
May 15 19:32:08 <LordRonin>	Chales, turn 54 next month, well physically at least <BG>
May 15 19:32:18 <RobertB>	naughtiness but got Saturday Night Live/Second City stuff.
May 15 19:32:21 <Charles_H>	same age here............
May 15 19:33:02 <RobertB>	Girl illusions?  I wouldn't know (I say innocently).
May 15 19:33:13 <LordRonin>	How long have you had a C= Charles?
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May 15 19:33:35 <Charles_H>	Got my first C64 in 84 I think it was
May 15 19:34:00 <LordRonin>	Not at $1 a song for me either, and the clothes don't come off till the 3rd song :-(
May 15 19:34:09 <LordRonin>	Got mine for Channukha in 93
May 15 19:34:22 <RobertB>	I beat you by a year, Charles... I got mine in 83.
May 15 19:34:38 <hodo>	Got mine in 82
May 15 19:34:39 <LordRonin>	Yeah but I was the computer phobic before I gained mine
May 15 19:34:47 <Mad_Kat>	84 here.
May 15 19:34:55 <Charles_H>	You must have had one of the early 5 pin C64's then Robert
May 15 19:34:57 <RobertB>	I didn't know that, Dave.
May 15 19:35:28 <RobertB>	Yes, Charles... it wasn't very clear as the later ones.
May 15 19:35:29 <Wildstar>	I seem to get mine back around '84-85. Well, I was playing with the TI-99/4A just before then.
May 15 19:35:56 <LordRonin>	Robert, yeah couldn't handle the idea of a computer. Even when it was in the RPGs. Froze at the idea of a computer
May 15 19:36:07 <Charles_H>	I've had both and the early ones were not as clear nor as good in quality of picture output
May 15 19:36:08 <hodo>	I sold my first 64 when I got my SX-64's in 84
May 15 19:36:15 <MikeC>	I got mine in the mid-80's, upgraded from my Vic-20
May 15 19:36:26 <RobertB>	Wow!  That's interesting, Dave.
May 15 19:37:00 <LordRonin>	Well it was hard to deal with games like Traveller that need a computer to operate the freling starship.
May 15 19:37:15 <LordRonin>	Now I am a "little" bit biased for the C= <BG>
May 15 19:37:23 <Wildstar>	Yes, I have the Black & Silver model and the Beige TIs.
May 15 19:37:29 <RobertB>	Ooo, I don't know anything about Traveler.
May 15 19:37:56 <Wildstar>	Oh, I have the PEB now - after nearly 20 years.
May 15 19:38:05 <Mad_Kat>	Ever play any Star Frontiers, LordRonin?
May 15 19:38:16 <RobertB>	When I go to the Classic Gaming Expo, I'm tempted by the Atari computers there.
May 15 19:38:17 <LordRonin>	Great Sci-Fi RPG. Came out in 77, still in print today, by original author. I have several Traveller generating programmes for the 64 on the BBS
May 15 19:38:37 <RobertB>	Hey, I've been told that Ataris and Commodores are really cousins.
May 15 19:38:39 <LordRonin>	Only a couple of times Mad KAt, game is still in print.
May 15 19:39:01 <LordRonin>	Beats the new D20 AD&D system
May 15 19:39:04 <Mad_Kat>	It's a great SF RPG, detailed and versatile.
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May 15 19:39:33 <Wildstar>	The alien is here.
May 15 19:39:36 <Mad_Kat>	Hm - Atari could've had the Amiga, if you've read the history.
May 15 19:39:43 <LordRonin>	Hoi the a1ien
May 15 19:39:50 <RobertB>	Speaking of RPG, do you still have those Star Trek games waiting for me, Dave?
May 15 19:40:00 <thea1ien>	Hi all
May 15 19:40:03 <RobertB>	Hi, a1ien.
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May 15 19:40:12 <hodo>	My motivation for pulling out the 64's was that my daughter had tons of WP documents she wanted to convert to the PC.  She is now teaching the stuff she was taught in HS and university.
May 15 19:40:13 <LordRonin>	Mad KAt, I'm in error, SF is no longer in print. I was think of antoher game of that time period.
May 15 19:40:20 <RobertB>	Welcome back, Todd.
May 15 19:40:25 <Wildstar>	'lo the ALIEN is here. 
May 15 19:40:28 <LordRonin>	Hoi Eyeth
May 15 19:40:30 <Wildstar>	'lo Todd
May 15 19:40:45 <Mad_Kat>	True, but it's still a great game.
May 15 19:40:57 <Eyeth>	Hello, all.
May 15 19:40:59 <RobertB>	Yes, Mad_Kat, I've read about that Amiga history.
May 15 19:41:08 <Charles_H>	The a1ien? Are we making First Contact?
May 15 19:41:17 <Wildstar>	yep.
May 15 19:41:29 <thea1ien>	When is the 28th going to get here?
May 15 19:41:31 <Wildstar>	Actually we done that.
May 15 19:41:31 <LordRonin>	Robert, got the fonts and some GeoPaint things for you. Haven't found the original patches yet.
May 15 19:41:44 <RobertB>	Hodo, our club regularly gets questions about converting C= to PC.
May 15 19:41:44 <thea1ien>	Ummm I guess
May 15 19:41:51 <hodo>	I had forgotten about PETSCII and ASCII diferences, but thank goodness for Pocket Writer's ability to save documents in ASCII format...before transfering to the PC
May 15 19:42:11 <LordRonin>	Mad Kat, yeah after 15 years of being out of print. I have people still asking for adventures and suppliments for SF.
May 15 19:42:12 <Wildstar>	hello HELLO
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May 15 19:42:27 <RobertB>	Hi, hi, Rick.
May 15 19:42:29 <thea1ien>	Unless you are referring to where my handle comes from....it's specificallly from the Alien series of movies
May 15 19:42:35 <RobertB>	Hey, MatrixMan.
May 15 19:42:42 <LordRonin>	Hoi MatrixMan
May 15 19:42:44 <Wildstar>	Hehe, I was givin' an example
May 15 19:42:48 <MatrixMan>	hey RObert!
May 15 19:43:03 <MatrixMan>	how are u doing Lord Ronin?
May 15 19:43:06 <RobertB>	I like Aliens (number 2).
May 15 19:43:13 <gamemaste>	heh great we have a acid driping alien in our midst
May 15 19:43:22 <LordRonin>	Mad KAt Traveller is more indepth Sci-Fi. However if you have any C= utils for SF. I'd like them for the BBS.
May 15 19:43:27 <thea1ien>	my fav at well...wish James Cameron would make another...
May 15 19:43:37 <gamemaste>	heh JK, I actually like that series.  And I agree robert 2 was the best (aka Aliens)
May 15 19:43:51 <LordRonin>	MatrixMan, doing fine tonight in BitchX. Though out of Beer :-(
May 15 19:43:56 <Mad_Kat>	Yeah the 2nd (Aliens) was by far the best.
May 15 19:44:05 <hodo>	By using Pocket Writer to convert to ASCII, I was able to save all the basic foramtting and didn't have to do much fixing in Word at all
May 15 19:44:10 <RobertB>	I liked Aliens 4, though the critics blasted it.
May 15 19:44:19 <thea1ien>	I have several of the Dark Horse comics and story books, soundtracks...etc...still haven't gotten to get the DVD set yet tho :P
May 15 19:44:29 <MikeC>	Criticis blast Alien 3, too.
May 15 19:44:39 <MikeC>	...blasted
May 15 19:44:40 <RobertB>	True, Mikec.
May 15 19:44:45 <Mad_Kat>	Resurrection was definitely better than Alien 3.
May 15 19:44:46 <LordRonin>	Got the Dark Horse Alien vs Prdeator?
May 15 19:44:49 <Wildstar>	Critics blast alot of movies past 2
May 15 19:44:51 <Eyeth>	I liked the original Alien; There was no thought about a sequel. Kinda keeps the movie honest. :)
May 15 19:44:58 <gamemaste>	Although the frist one had more a "spookyness" about it since you didn't know what was going on the first time.  In the later films one is more prepared for what is going to happen I think.
May 15 19:45:00 <RobertB>	I don't know about the upcoming Alien vs. Predator.
May 15 19:45:16 <MikeC>	Has anyone seen the first Alien 25th Ann. Edition.
May 15 19:45:21 <gamemaste>	Also the charaters were hiding/running through coridors and air vents
May 15 19:45:21 <Mad_Kat>	I've played Aliens vs Predator on the Atari Jaguar.
May 15 19:45:26 <LordRonin>	Got a couple of the comics in the shop of Alien vs Predator
May 15 19:45:30 <RobertB>	No... haven't bought it.
May 15 19:45:34 <thea1ien>	I don't think I have all the comics or books...but I have a couple
May 15 19:46:00 <gamemaste>	I agree Alien 3 was the worst one
May 15 19:46:03 <RobertB>	Ah-ha, we need a C64 conversion of Alien vs. Predator!
May 15 19:46:10 <MikeC>	I picked it up on DVD...excellent! Some scenes cut from Part 1 ended up in Aliens.
May 15 19:46:15 <thea1ien>	I also have AvP and AvP2 and expansion for the pc....memory hog, but very nice (Avp2)
May 15 19:46:33 <Wildstar>	I believe there was an Alien vs. Predator for C64
May 15 19:46:34 <RobertB>	Boing!  I didn't know that, MikeC.
May 15 19:46:40 <LordRonin>	Sorry Robert, we are still just learning Basic v2
May 15 19:46:41 <hodo>	I was most pleased to be able to convert my C= catalog to the PC.  Seems Disk Catalog Manager saved data in ASCII format.
May 15 19:46:43 <Mad_Kat>	Don't have any good C64 SF utils, LordRonin, they're all on the PC. :(
May 15 19:46:45 <gamemaste>	Yes there were severial scenes cut from Alien
May 15 19:46:53 <RobertB>	I don't remember that, Rick.
May 15 19:47:02 <MikeC>	RobertB, to be specific, scenes were "redone" for Aliens.
May 15 19:47:15 <Eyeth>	I remember having this Aliens C64 game. Sold it on eBay for a whopping sum of like $1 or $2. :)
May 15 19:47:23 <LordRonin>	Bummer Mad KAt, I'm always looking for utils for games for my board and group.
May 15 19:47:26 <thea1ien>	I also have for the commodore Alien (original dataset and copy on disk), Aliens (activision, nice), Aliens (not sure who made but another version), and Alien3
May 15 19:47:40 <RobertB>	Oh, I see, MikeC.
May 15 19:47:42 <gamemaste>	For instance there is a scene where all the crewmembers but ripley are cacooned and without that scene one is led to believe all are dead
May 15 19:47:46 <LordRonin>	There are at least 2 Aliens games for the C=64. Have a couple to be tested.
May 15 19:47:47 <thea1ien>	I have the original Activision disk too
May 15 19:47:56 <gamemaste>	And she finds and talks with them in that cut sceene
May 15 19:48:14 <Eyeth>	Nothing beats Project Firestart in this genre for the C64, though. :)
May 15 19:48:18 <RobertB>	That's like using certain scenes planned for one Bond movie in another Bond movie.
May 15 19:48:26 <hodo>	My C= catalogue covers programs on over 900 floppy disk sides.
May 15 19:48:28 <Mad_Kat>	There was also a scene cut from Aliens where Ripley learns that her daughter had died of old age while she was missing.
May 15 19:48:39 <gamemaste>	ooooo Project Firestart one of my fav games if not the best one. :)
May 15 19:49:08 <RobertB>	People want to buy my original Project Firestart.  It must be a collectible.
May 15 19:49:20 <LordRonin>	Got that one gamemaste and a walkthough for it as well. Great game!
May 15 19:49:24 <thea1ien>	yeah, I have not seen the missing scenes from Alien. I have both the normal and SE of Aliens (the original laserdisk release) which has the daughter scene
May 15 19:49:33 <gamemaste>	That is in the orignal actually, burk gives her a pic of her daughter as a old lady now dead
May 15 19:49:34 <Jim_Brain>	back
May 15 19:49:50 <Eyeth>	I still have my Project Firestart game as well. I think I won't be parting with this one via eBay for a long time. :)
May 15 19:49:51 <Charles_H>	What is Firestart? Type of game, game senerio?
May 15 19:49:52 <LordRonin>	Robert the PF game is on the Retro Gold CD for the Amiga from Software Hut.
May 15 19:50:06 <RobertB>	Is it true that the little girl in Aliens has grown up to be a looker?!
May 15 19:50:21 <Mad_Kat>	Dunno, haven't heard...
May 15 19:50:31 <LordRonin>	Charles it is a multi disk Sci-Fi adventure game.
May 15 19:50:46 <gamemaste>	Firestart is you are bacially "clean up crew" on a ship that was doing expermental genetic experments that have gotten out of control and is killing everyone
May 15 19:50:51 <MikeC>	There's a scene with Dallas in a cocoon saying "kill me" that was cut from the original and "redone" in Aliens. It's on the 25th Ann. DVD
May 15 19:50:57 <Eyeth>	Jim_Brain- Any progress regarding a QLink server? Were you trying to set one up or was it something else?
May 15 19:51:00 <LordRonin>	Good gfx for the cut scenes
May 15 19:51:04 <RobertB>	Project Firestart is very Alien-like.  A graphical/animated adventure for the C64.
May 15 19:51:20 <thea1ien>	not that I know of...I know I found a website with Newt (the actor Carrie) but I don't think she has done much of anything since the movie
May 15 19:51:20 <gamemaste>	Yes it really feels like a movie
May 15 19:51:30 <Mad_Kat>	Starflight on the 64 was a great SF game. Also Elite and Space Rogue.
May 15 19:51:40 <gamemaste>	with cut scenes and things happen that you see sequences when you do certain thigns
May 15 19:51:58 <LordRonin>	Got Starflight buried and a copy of copies of Elite with the head set. Haven't tried them yet.
May 15 19:52:02 <Jim_Brain>	Eyeth, I'm still working on it.  SLow going, though, as I'm not great at disassembling code
May 15 19:52:07 <RobertB>	I have all 3, Mad_Kat.
May 15 19:52:10 <gamemaste>	Yes Starflight is also one of my all time favs as well as elite and Space Rouge
May 15 19:52:22 <Mad_Kat>	Rockin, Fresno Bob!
May 15 19:52:27 <thea1ien>	I would love to see a Q server too....want to play Club Caribe again
May 15 19:52:30 <Eyeth>	Cool. It would be great if someone could set up a QLink server on a LINUX box. :)
May 15 19:52:35 <RobertB>	But darn... I can't figure them out!
May 15 19:52:39 <Jim_Brain>	I've parsed out some of the command sequences, but a lot of it is still unknown
May 15 19:52:48 <gamemaste>	the only thing I never liked about Space Rouge I always found it difficult going into those "tubes" and styaing in hyperspace to reach your destination
May 15 19:53:01 <Jim_Brain>	If you know people who are interested in helping, send em my way.
May 15 19:53:05 <Mad_Kat>	If ya need docs for 'em, Bob, I've got him in text form here.
May 15 19:53:09 <LordRonin>	If you get a Q server going, will my old 2400 baud front end loader work?
May 15 19:53:15 <Mad_Kat>	got them
May 15 19:53:15 <Eyeth>	That way, QLink could be resurrected in some fashion.
May 15 19:53:21 <Jim_Brain>	Yes
May 15 19:53:35 <Jim_Brain>	I am working on 3 projects to make QLink work
May 15 19:53:36 <gamemaste>	Elite actually came with a "novelette"
May 15 19:53:38 <RobertB>	Rockin?  Nah, I haven't gone to my yearly Pat Benatar concert yet!  ;-)
May 15 19:53:43 <LordRonin>	Be great if the People Connection would be fixed
May 15 19:53:47 <gamemaste>	a nice story that set up the game
May 15 19:53:52 <Jim_Brain>	1 is TCPSER, which allows a PC to act like a modem bridge to TCP/IP
May 15 19:54:02 <Eyeth>	Did someone say Pat Benatar? That is so 1980's! Wait a minute, so is the C64! :)
May 15 19:54:10 <Mad_Kat>	The novelette that came with Starglider was good too.
May 15 19:54:13 <Jim_Brain>	SO, you plug your 64 into a Linix or Win32 box, and you cna "dial" an INternet address
May 15 19:54:14 <RobertB>	Thanks for the offer, Mad.  I need walk-throughs for the games.
May 15 19:54:25 <gamemaste>	Hmm starglider...not sure if I played that one
May 15 19:54:29 <Jim_Brain>	That partis pretty much done.
May 15 19:54:33 <RobertB>	Yeah, Pat Benatar!
May 15 19:54:36 <LordRonin>	Jim, But I still only use C= computers
May 15 19:54:41 <gamemaste>	Oh wait I did, just never got the novelette
May 15 19:54:44 <Jim_Brain>	I know, so #2 project
May 15 19:54:52 <Mad_Kat>	3d vector 1st person shooter -great game!
May 15 19:54:57 <RobertB>	Hmm, I wonder if they transcribed her music into SID music.
May 15 19:55:05 <Eyeth>	Jim_Brain- Cool. I haven't tried to hook up my C128T to my Linux box via ttyS0 yet.
May 15 19:55:35 <Jim_Brain>	is a project that puts that code on a board that plugs into the 64/128 and emulates either a 1670 or SL/T232
May 15 19:55:39 <gamemaste>	Darkside is also fun (3d first person shooter with a interesting storyline)
May 15 19:55:51 <gamemaste>	tough game though
May 15 19:56:04 <RobertB>	Hmm, I don't think I have Darkside.
May 15 19:56:09 <LordRonin>	For games I'm more into the Pool of Radiance style.
May 15 19:56:12 <Jim_Brain>	LR, do you access INternet via shell account or PPP?
May 15 19:56:31 <LordRonin>	Jim, only through Wave. Must telnet to VCS
May 15 19:56:36 <Jim_Brain>	Eyeth, I'd give tcpser a try
May 15 19:56:42 <RobertB>	However, I have the Elvira adventure around here someplace.  I just couldn't get past the
May 15 19:56:48 <RobertB>	first guard.
May 15 19:57:11 <Jim_Brain>	LR, OK, so the board would emulate a modem connection for you.
May 15 19:57:13 <Eyeth>	Elvira was surprisingly good!
May 15 19:57:15 <gamemaste>	Yes I have elvira as well, it was great graphics but the combat system really needed a overhaul
May 15 19:57:17 <LordRonin>	Robert, I have both here and IIRc on the BBS a walkthrough for the game. 
May 15 19:57:25 <Jim_Brain>	You'd have the board dial into INternet.
May 15 19:57:40 <Jim_Brain>	Eyeth, nothing like using tcpser to atdtjbrain.com:23
May 15 19:57:44 <Mad_Kat>	LordRonin, you still run a 64 BBS?
May 15 19:57:50 <RobertB>	Dave, do you mean Elvira 1 and 2 or Elvira the Arcade Game?
May 15 19:57:54 <Eyeth>	I would love to see an EOB clone for the C64/SuperCPU. :)
May 15 19:57:55 <LordRonin>	Jim, afraid I'd need some indepth instructions on how to do all of that :-(
May 15 19:58:15 <Jim_Brain>	LR, well, assuming I get all the pieces in place, there'd be instructions.  
May 15 19:58:21 <LordRonin>	Robert, IIRc it is Elvira 1 & 2
May 15 19:58:25 <Eyeth>	Jim_Brain- Yeah- Dialing into a website sounds pretty intuitive.
May 15 19:58:26 <thea1ien>	anyone know if  equipment is sold at the expo? especially a 80col cable for a 1902? (not the din type connector) and if so how much one would cost?
May 15 19:58:41 <Jim_Brain>	Also, I assume folks would patch QLink disk to work with newer connections (it badly needs a 14,400 bps option
May 15 19:58:51 <Wildstar>	128D BBS
May 15 19:59:01 <Wildstar>	that is what LR is running
May 15 19:59:10 <RobertB>	Probably, yes, thea1ien.  The Cincinnati club brings lots of stuff to sell.
May 15 19:59:11 <Mad_Kat>	ah ok
May 15 19:59:20 <Eyeth>	Woo! I can imagine d/l all the executables at girls.c64.org at 300 baud via this QLink connection. :)
May 15 19:59:24 <Jim_Brain>	Another nice thing about tcpser is it can be used the other way around.  telnet to somewhere.net:6400 and tcpser will go "RING" to the 64/128
May 15 19:59:29 <gamemaste>	With Qlink gone, what good is patching it for?
May 15 19:59:44 <Jim_Brain>	Jeff Hall uses tcpser to run Cnetipede 128 off the Internet
May 15 19:59:50 <RobertB>	But to be sure... send a message to Dave Witmer of the Cinncinati Club.
May 15 19:59:58 <Jim_Brain>	gamemaster, my goasl is to recreate the QLink service
May 15 20:00:08 <gamemaste>	ohhh cool
May 15 20:00:09 <Jim_Brain>	=goal
May 15 20:00:12 <Eyeth>	gamemaste- Well, if someone sets up a QLink server, it could be resurrected by a hobbyist administering the server.
May 15 20:00:12 <LordRonin>	Much appreciated Jim. I'm the guy that is 20+ years out of the tech loop. Still messing with 1T4 vacuum tubes <G>
May 15 20:00:30 <gamemaste>	one of my regrets is not getting on Qlink and going to club carbie
May 15 20:00:37 <Jim_Brain>	The server is easy to write.  It's the funky protocol that's giving me fits
May 15 20:00:57 <Wildstar>	Hmmm... Going to get my 128D up on the net as soon as I can get the TCPser on a Centepede 128 BBS.
May 15 20:00:59 <gamemaste>	A friend did send me a ton of screen shots though so at least I have some what of a idea of what it was like
May 15 20:01:06 <Jim_Brain>	LR, no prob. The idea is to support people who have a PC and also those who do not.
May 15 20:01:15 <Eyeth>	LordRonin- Did you contribute to Scene World #11? It's out already.
May 15 20:01:17 <Mad_Kat>	Out of the loop? I'll probably be the last person on Earth using Win98 one day.
May 15 20:01:26 <thea1ien>	CC was fun. I only got on Q for a few months before they dropped the bal
May 15 20:01:43 <gamemaste>	LOL Mad nope becuase I plan to stick with 98 lol
May 15 20:02:20 <gamemaste>	XP means eXtra Problems lol
May 15 20:02:21 <LordRonin>	Jim many thanks for that as I would love to be on Q-Link again. I was the one that saved all the 64 Arcade Dungeon files
May 15 20:02:49 <Jim_Brain>	And, assuming I can get the server up, I'm archiving those images to help recreate the environment.
May 15 20:03:00 <RobertB>	I was never able to log onto Q-Link... at least, not when I tried in its last months.
May 15 20:03:24 <MikeC>	Jim_b, I recreated most of Q-Link and built an HTML version using cg-bins for the message boards.
May 15 20:03:29 <thea1ien>	Kinda like me. I just got a 586 system setup, with SBPro card installed and a Roland MT-32 sound module hooked up....just finished playing some of my fav Space Quest games a sec ago
May 15 20:03:30 <LordRonin>	Eyeth, Merman used the last of my submissions for #1. Haven't looked at the issue yet. He and Nafcom just got a full disk side with an interview as well.
May 15 20:03:33 <Jim_Brain>	But, first, the protocol has to be cracked...  I am making precious little progress on it.
May 15 20:03:43 <Jim_Brain>	MikeC, where?
May 15 20:03:52 <Mad_Kat>	Space Quest? Those games were a hoot!
May 15 20:04:06 <MikeC>	I had it on-line but took it down a few months ago...interested in seeing it?
May 15 20:04:27 <Jim_Brain>	SUre, you have a tarball I can put on the Linux box here?
May 15 20:05:27 <MikeC>	Ok...I'll dig up the files. Nothing really special. Just using HTML and gifs to make up the various screens. Wildstar saw it...any comment Rick?
May 15 20:05:47 <thea1ien>	I can't wait for my commodore tshirt to arrive...will be nice to wear when I go to the expo
May 15 20:05:54 <gamemaste>	One of the games on a C=64 that were something like Space Quest, at least as far as the humor was Zack Macraken and the alien mindbenders
May 15 20:05:57 <Wildstar>	It actually looked cool.
May 15 20:06:04 <Jim_Brain>	Why'd it go down?
May 15 20:06:09 <RobertB>	From where did you get the t-shirt?
May 15 20:06:24 <gamemaste>	I always wished they did a sequil
May 15 20:06:38 <thea1ien>	http://www.t-shirt-town.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=809
May 15 20:06:54 <LackyBoy>	Hello all (fianly awake)
May 15 20:07:04 <Eyeth>	What about Maniac Mansion? That was pretty slick for the C64.
May 15 20:07:05 <RobertB>	I don't know anything about Zack.
May 15 20:07:11 <thea1ien>	I've been told it is already sent, but have not gotten it yet
May 15 20:07:12 <RobertB>	Hi, LackyBoy.
May 15 20:07:19 <gamemaste>	Oh yes Manaic Mansion was also really good
May 15 20:07:22 <MikeC>	Jim_B, I talked about it on the cbm newsgroup but there wasn't a lot of interest. 2nd reason, I use to run my own ISP but I shut it down and the company I moved over to didn't support cgi-bins.
May 15 20:07:25 <Wildstar>	Good, still with an hour - don't worry.
May 15 20:07:27 <MatrixMan>	Pat Benator rocks... but then so does Joan Jett! :)
May 15 20:07:46 <RobertB>	That reminds me of another t-shirt for the Expo.
May 15 20:07:48 <gamemaste>	Robert it is worth Zack, it is a lot of fun
May 15 20:08:04 <Mad_Kat>	Or Pac-Man Fever, even..
May 15 20:08:07 <Wildstar>	MikeC, I have CGI_BIN support at my domain.
May 15 20:08:13 <RobertB>	Oh, no, another Joan Jett person!  :-)
May 15 20:08:31 <Jim_Brain>	Well, I might be able to host it.  I bought commodorelink.* and cbmlink.* (except .org) domains.
May 15 20:08:35 <Wildstar>	At least from what was told to me from my Webhost
May 15 20:08:50 <Eyeth>	That reminds me; There seems to be some silly simulation of sorts where people are trying to recreate Pac Man in the streets of Manhattan. :)
May 15 20:08:56 <MatrixMan>	LordR> I loved all of the Gold Box games!
May 15 20:09:08 <gamemaste>	ol eyeth
May 15 20:09:11 <gamemaste>	lol rather
May 15 20:09:15 <MatrixMan>	RB> most definitely! :-D
May 15 20:09:18 <Jim_Brain>	PacManhattan
May 15 20:09:26 <Mad_Kat>	LOL!!
May 15 20:09:26 <Jim_Brain>	do a google search.
May 15 20:09:26 <RobertB>	Huh, PacMan in Manhattan... is that for the C64?
May 15 20:09:27 <Wildstar>	I plan to establish a phpBB system to my website
May 15 20:09:36 <MikeC>	Hmm...ok well, if there's interesting, I'd be interested in reviving it. It just seems that people want to be able to access it from an actual C-64 using the Q-Link disks.
May 15 20:09:45 <Mad_Kat>	The 64 has a pretty good Pac-Man.
May 15 20:09:49 <Jim_Brain>	Which is my goal.
May 15 20:09:51 <Wildstar>	After I activate the MySQL service.
May 15 20:10:02 <Wildstar>	Plan to do that in February.
May 15 20:10:09 <Jim_Brain>	BUt, some people won't care, so having a web access would be fine.
May 15 20:10:13 <RobertB>	Yes, MikeC and Jim, I would go to a revived Q-Link.
May 15 20:10:25 <Eyeth>	RobertB- Umm.. Basically, it's a live version of pac man. There's people running around in funky outfits and using cell phones to recreate the game on a citywide canvas.
May 15 20:10:45 <Wildstar>	I actually find the idea cool.
May 15 20:10:50 <Eyeth>	I would love to use QLink w/ SL/T232 support.
May 15 20:11:00 <Mad_Kat>	Live Pac-man? hmm..
May 15 20:11:20 <Jim_Brain>	I never got to use QLink when it was up.  This is the best I can do, recreate it.
May 15 20:11:21 <gamemaste>	Now here is the question, who gets to play Pac-man and who plays the ghost
May 15 20:11:26 <Wildstar>	AND TFE and RR-NET and other C64 etherner support TOO. 
May 15 20:11:28 <gamemaste>	(or even power pellet heh)
May 15 20:11:31 <thea1ien>	what are the power pellets in the "game"? :)
May 15 20:11:52 <gamemaste>	hmm hot dogs?
May 15 20:11:53 <MikeC>	Jim_b, send me an e-mail ( mikec_cbm@hotmail.com ) and we can take it from there.
May 15 20:12:14 <LordRonin>	MatrixMan I'm still stuck in Curse of the Azure Bonds. Till I use the editor <SEG>
May 15 20:12:20 <Eyeth>	I'd hate to be the 'dot' in that pacman game. How do I get eaten up? :)
May 15 20:12:26 <RobertB>	Yeah!  A Q-Link partnership!
May 15 20:12:57 <Wildstar>	I'll check the trademarks on the legality issue.
May 15 20:13:10 <gamemaste>	heh gives a whole new meaning to "dot-com" lol
May 15 20:13:10 <Wildstar>	Hmmm....
May 15 20:13:11 <MikeC>	RobertB, a Q-Link partnership / revival would be great. I just hope it doesn't die like it did on the newgroups.
May 15 20:13:18 <Eyeth>	ha.
May 15 20:13:24 <MatrixMan>	LornRonin> Mkae your chars a _little_ stronger ... ;)
May 15 20:13:39 <RobertB>	It died in the newsgroups?  I don't remember that.
May 15 20:13:44 <thea1ien>	Anyone by chance have a copy of the Wizardry character editor? I had it once off of Qlink when it was up, but lost it after they shut down and I no luck finding since
May 15 20:13:52 <MikeC>	Wildstar, YES...legal issues...good question. I thought about changing the name to something different like C=Link ...
May 15 20:13:53 <gamemaste>	hmm "dot.eat"? lol
May 15 20:14:13 <Eyeth>	LordRonin- Heh. I used my Action Replay cartridge to overcome a particularly tough battle sequence in Might & Magic. My characters kept dying in middle of combat and I kept on resurrecting them. :)
May 15 20:14:24 <LordRonin>	Matrix_Man, All demihumans in the party
May 15 20:14:26 <Wildstar>	ABSOLUTELY and the Commodorelink.com domain would fit.
May 15 20:14:28 <MikeC>	RobertB, there seems to be a lot of discussions and then it just faded.
May 15 20:14:28 <gamemaste>	Been there done tat Eyeth
May 15 20:14:52 <Mad_Kat>	Wizardry - that was a good RPG, actually managed to finish it. :)
May 15 20:14:52 <Wildstar>	Hey, partner with Tulip and you got another issue handled.
May 15 20:14:58 <LordRonin>	Eyeth I know I have an AR someplace. Buried in this room of C= stuff.
May 15 20:14:59 <gamemaste>	One of my favorite role players was Wasteland
May 15 20:15:02 <thea1ien>	or any ideas where to look for it?
May 15 20:15:06 <gamemaste>	Might and Magic were also good
May 15 20:15:13 <Eyeth>	thea1ien- Google? :)
May 15 20:15:17 <Jim_Brain>	Yes, C=Link is the name I like the best.  Someone else thought of it.
May 15 20:15:32 <Eyeth>	Yeah, I loved MIght & Magic. I'm thinking about seeing if there's a CMD version available.
May 15 20:15:34 <Jim_Brain>	It's a tough thing to do.  It'll take me months to figure out the protocol.
May 15 20:15:38 <RobertB>	C=Link... great!
May 15 20:15:42 <gamemaste>	Oh another fun game BattleMech
May 15 20:16:01 <thea1ien>	tried....mostly links to postings from people talking about once playing the game....but never been able to find it...
May 15 20:16:02 <LackyBoy>	BattleTech?
May 15 20:16:09 <Wildstar>	I also though Airborne Rangers was fun
May 15 20:16:11 <Jim_Brain>	MikeC, email sent.
May 15 20:16:12 <Mad_Kat>	You mean Battletech Crescent Hawk?
May 15 20:16:15 <gamemaste>	Yes sorry typo
May 15 20:16:23 <LackyBoy>	That is a great game
May 15 20:16:32 <Jim_Brain>	I now own commodorelink.com and cbmlink.com, but nothing there
May 15 20:16:44 <Charles_H>	Yes, I liked Airborne Ranger.
May 15 20:17:10 <Charles_H>	It takes some getting used to, not a run and shoot type of game.
May 15 20:17:22 <LordRonin>	Wasteland is still talked about. wasteland@yahoogroups.com
May 15 20:17:23 <RobertB>	Oh, I died fast in Airborne Ranger (as did many interested passers-by at our VCF table).
May 15 20:17:27 <MikeC>	Jim_B, got your e-mail...I'll send you some stuff tomorrow.
May 15 20:17:29 <gamemaste>	Oh anyone here every play Mean Streets?
May 15 20:17:36 <gamemaste>	That is also a great game
May 15 20:17:47 <RobertB>	No, never had Mean Streets.
May 15 20:17:56 <LackyBoy>	Nope.
May 15 20:18:03 <Mad_Kat>	PLayed the sequel, Martian Memorandum, on the PC.
May 15 20:18:10 <Wildstar>	I will eventually establish a new host to have my phpBB system. Planned replacement for my old Delphi Forum thing which is lacking functionality.
May 15 20:18:21 <gamemaste>	It is by access, great graphics, and story line.  You are a detecive Tex Muphy hired to find a ladies father.  And it really gets interesting
May 15 20:18:24 <MatrixMan>	Battletech was fun...
May 15 20:18:32 <gamemaste>	It also has a flight sim built in
May 15 20:18:39 <gamemaste>	as that ishow you get to various other places in the game
May 15 20:18:45 <gamemaste>	in a "flying car"
May 15 20:19:02 <RobertB>	Ah, a flight sim... I must get it now!
May 15 20:19:03 <LackyBoy>	What about autoduel?  Any one like that game?
May 15 20:19:22 <Wildstar>	BTW: phpBB is the same system that Lemon64 uses
May 15 20:19:23 <MatrixMan>	LackyBoy> I played that to death on the C64... :)
May 15 20:19:31 <gamemaste>	The one nice thing about that game is you can copy the 4 1541 sides to a 1581 or ramlink and not have to swap disks
May 15 20:19:40 <Mad_Kat>	Tried Autoduel, couldn't make much sense of it. Played Car Wars the boardgame a bit.
May 15 20:19:40 <gamemaste>	not to mention a whole lot faster playing
May 15 20:19:50 <RobertB>	No, I don't have that one either.  I am C64-game-deprived.  ;-)
May 15 20:19:53 <MikeC>	Hey everyone, just wondering, who on this chat is running exclusively running on original CBM's?
May 15 20:20:40 <RobertB>	At home I have my C128D.  Work is a different matter.
May 15 20:20:57 <LordRonin>	MikeC, what you imply that there is something else to use besides a C=?? I'm on a 128D with Wheels & Wave.
May 15 20:20:59 <gamemaste>	Oh thought of another great game, Test Drive or The Duel and its expanson packs
May 15 20:21:05 <Jim_Brain>	not me.  I'm rather pragmatic.  
May 15 20:21:05 <MatrixMan>	MikeC> not me :( But I don't use Windows either... at work or at home! :)
May 15 20:21:30 <Jim_Brain>	Mac, 64, Old Z-80 machines, PC, everything is useful.
May 15 20:21:44 <gamemaste>	tis true
May 15 20:21:50 <gamemaste>	64 is my fav though
May 15 20:21:54 <Jim_Brain>	I can fire up my 64 via tcpser in a minute if anyone cares.
May 15 20:22:00 <Mad_Kat>	Anything electronic is cool with me.
May 15 20:22:05 <LackyBoy>	How is the catweasle with vice?  Is it pretty accurate?
May 15 20:22:06 <Wildstar>	Sure.
May 15 20:22:16 <MikeC>	RobertB, what do you use to get on the web on a C-128? How good is it?
May 15 20:22:35 <MikeC>	LR, same question as posed to RobertB
May 15 20:22:44 <Charles_H>	I've always said that a PC (windows or otherwise) is a great support machine for Commodores.
May 15 20:22:49 <RobertB>	I use my C128D to connect to my shell account and there I use Lynx.
May 15 20:22:55 <RobertB>	Works fine for me.
May 15 20:23:03 <MikeC>	RobertB, can you view gifs?
May 15 20:23:18 <Jim_Brain>	I use my PC to work and get work done.  I enjoy my CBM machines
May 15 20:23:24 <Jim_Brain>	THere is a difference.
May 15 20:23:24 <RobertB>	I can't get used to the similar browser, Links.
May 15 20:23:26 <thea1ien>	hey, anyone here written any programs that read SEQ files?
May 15 20:23:28 <Eyeth>	For me, I use my Windows machines to access the Internet.
May 15 20:23:39 <LordRonin>	I used to log on at 14.4 with Dialogue, DesTerm and NovaTerm to the local Ansi boards and the local shell acc
May 15 20:23:51 <LordRonin>	Sorry had some control issues with no dox.
May 15 20:23:51 <Jim_Brain>	If my SX breaks, I fret about it.  If my PC breaks, I either fix or buy
May 15 20:23:53 <Eyeth>	However, if I were so inclined, I've used Wheels/Wave and WiNGS to access the Internet.
May 15 20:23:56 <RobertB>	MikeC, I can view the gifs off-line.
May 15 20:24:09 <gamemaste>	Well I am going to call it a night.
May 15 20:24:10 <Eyeth>	I haven't given WiNGS a flyby in over a year or so, unfortunately.
May 15 20:24:19 <Jim_Brain>	cya GM
May 15 20:24:20 <MikeC>	RobertB, how does that work?
May 15 20:24:22 <gamemaste>	Night all, see you next week.
May 15 20:24:27 <Mad_Kat>	l8er gm
May 15 20:24:30 <Wildstar>	cya GM
May 15 20:24:33 <MikeC>	later gm
May 15 20:24:37 <LackyBoy>	c u gm
May 15 20:24:37 <LordRonin>	Well I am using Wave/Wheels with a SCPU. Call locally server and immediately telnet to VCS. There I use BitchX for the IRC
May 15 20:24:39 <RobertB>	Night, ***.
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May 15 20:25:05 <MatrixMan>	cya all.. have a great rest of the night! :)
May 15 20:25:27 <MikeC>	LordRonin, sorry, did you say you can access HTML and view gifs?
May 15 20:25:28 <Eyeth>	Cameron Kaiser's Hyperlink is a strange beast, though. Will have to give that one a try soon.
May 15 20:25:34 <RobertB>	thea1ien, I haven't written any proggy for reading SEQ files, but I use ZED 0.77 all the time.
May 15 20:26:17 <LordRonin>	I acees HTML thinggies with either Wave or Lynx. If I want a gif to view. I DL it and use either the converter for GeoPaint or one of the C= gif viewers
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May 15 20:26:28 <RobertB>	MikeC, I have to reboot the C128D and use a GIF viewer, like the one built into Godot, in 
May 15 20:26:34 <RobertB>	order to see the GIF.
May 15 20:26:40 <Eyeth>	The WAVE can natively view HTML pages. It's not so bad, actually.
May 15 20:26:46 <Mad_Kat>	Cameron Kaiser - I'm still wondering how a character in a Batman cartoon ended up with his name. 
May 15 20:27:03 <RobertB>	My connection is too slow to use HyperLink productively.
May 15 20:27:11 <MikeC>	Ok...so doing a Q-Link site with gifs don't really work for you guys (RobertB & LR)
May 15 20:27:48 <thea1ien>	well, I have someone that is trying to write a program that will read a file (prg/seq) and tell how many bytes the file is....only problem is the test prg he made writes 1 byte of data, but when it reads the file back, it doesn't read correctly. A sector editor shows it is correct. However even Jiffydos's file read option fails
May 15 20:27:48 <Wildstar>	MikeC, you could send code to display the character symbols..
May 15 20:28:07 <Wildstar>	What you need to do is send the code verbatim.
May 15 20:28:09 <Eyeth>	MikeC- That's what the ALT tag is used for. :) Use it!
May 15 20:28:15 <LordRonin>	Not at this time. Be great if there was a way to have C=GF in Wave and see real C= things on screen
May 15 20:28:20 <Wildstar>	Basically as "whole" bytes.
May 15 20:28:26 <RobertB>	Well, Mike, we can download them and still use them in our publications.  However, for
May 15 20:28:37 <RobertB>	navigating a website, it would be useless to us.
May 15 20:29:46 <RobertB>	thea1ien, if I remember correctly ZED reads the number of bytes.
May 15 20:29:55 <RaYzor>	hey all
May 15 20:29:56 <RaYzor>	whats up
May 15 20:30:00 <MikeC>	RobertB, Hmmm...that's what I thought. I do have a few other ideas that might be workable...
May 15 20:30:05 <LordRonin>	Hoi RaYzor
May 15 20:30:07 <MikeC>	Hi RaYzor
May 15 20:30:09 <RobertB>	Hi, RayZor.
May 15 20:30:14 <groepaz>	thea1ien: doesnt sound like something that would be terribly hard to fix ...ie, must be a simple bug :)
May 15 20:30:17 <Wildstar>	Now a typical PETSCII code would need to be sent and the "client" software would need to recognize the codes that set the colors and stuff like that and the C= would naturally display the character codes according to the PETSCII chart.
May 15 20:30:44 <MikeC>	Wildstar, yeah...maybe too much work...too much of a hassle. I do have a few ideas...
May 15 20:30:57 <Wildstar>	There is NO reason why PETSCII couldn't be transmitted over web.
May 15 20:30:59 <RobertB>	brb
May 15 20:31:20 <Jim_Brain>	Sure, tcpser does it all the time
May 15 20:31:32 <Wildstar>	Most of the original images are already in PETSCII & C/G code
May 15 20:31:34 <Jim_Brain>	Call addixion.org with a 64 and select CBM graphics
May 15 20:31:35 <MikeC>	Wildstar, but will the C-64 client software be able to understand these codes?
May 15 20:31:50 <hodo>	What about using Pocket Writer to read seq files.  PW will convert to ASCII seq
May 15 20:32:19 <thea1ien>	well, it seems to be a DOS bug issue. Problem is that he is trying to write a program that supports any standard commodore dos drive (which would include SFD and such drives)
May 15 20:32:27 <Eyeth>	groepaz- A quick question; Can make be used with cc65 in assembling pure assembly files?
May 15 20:32:28 <LordRonin>	Jim, how do I call addixion with my system and have the selection for CBM. Last times I tried in telnet all I got was garbaage
May 15 20:33:02 <Wildstar>	Probably if you have a proper protocol on the server side to NOT tamper the byte stream. Most C= client program (terminal emulators) support C/G PETSCII.
May 15 20:33:02 <RobertB>	I'm back.
May 15 20:33:11 <Eyeth>	groepaz- Also, does emacs have a 6502 syntax highlighting add-on?
May 15 20:33:13 <thea1ien>	and although you could get around the problem with direct access commands, it would mean needing to know where the BAM info is stored....diffenent on other drives than 41/71
May 15 20:33:27 <Wildstar>	C/G is PETSCII with Color/Graphic codes.
May 15 20:33:36 <LordRonin>	AFTK
May 15 20:33:41 <RobertB>	ZED can do the same as Pocket Writer and only boots up in a few seconds.
May 15 20:33:47 <Jim_Brain>	LR.  Yeah, cna;t use telnet
May 15 20:34:16 <Eyeth>	Jim_Brain- Just wondering if you use LINUX for your CBM development?
May 15 20:34:17 <Jim_Brain>	You'd have to dial into VCS
May 15 20:34:17 <Wildstar>	You basically need to send bytes as whole 8 bit bytes.
May 15 20:34:37 <Wildstar>	The content you send would be in C/G format.
May 15 20:34:40 <Eyeth>	I'm trying to switch over to Linux. Problem is, I need a syntax highlighting editor for 6502 assembly files.
May 15 20:34:41 <Jim_Brain>	then, get out and load a term app and then just drop into terminal
May 15 20:34:48 <Jim_Brain>	Wait, that won't work either.  
May 15 20:34:52 <Jim_Brain>	Eyeth, I use Linux
May 15 20:34:55 <LordRonin>	Back again
May 15 20:35:10 <Jim_Brain>	Hmm, LR, I'm stumped.
May 15 20:35:17 <MikeC>	Wildstar, it would be something to test. I'm not sure if it would work.
May 15 20:35:23 <groepaz>	Eyeth: sure you can use make for anything you like....and as for emacs, no idea :) but it shouldnt be hard to create some highlighting tables
May 15 20:35:27 <Jim_Brain>	You need to be able to call the IP address from your 64
May 15 20:35:33 <Jim_Brain>	You need the board I am working on.
May 15 20:35:40 <LordRonin>	Jim, there doesn't seem to be C=GF support in Wave.
May 15 20:35:51 <Wildstar>	Hey, the Centepede BBS with TCPser can pass C/G code over the web.
May 15 20:36:02 <Wildstar>	If I recall right.
May 15 20:36:08 <Jim_Brain>	Yes, there wouldn't, because Wave is trying to make a 64 look like a regular PC, so to speak
May 15 20:36:10 <LordRonin>	I need something to call the local provider that doesn't have a shell acount
May 15 20:36:17 <Jim_Brain>	WS, yes it can.
May 15 20:36:26 <groepaz>	apropos....anyone who is using debian and who could paste me his source.list :)
May 15 20:36:35 <groepaz>	sources.list even
May 15 20:36:39 <LordRonin>	Ah but I have no clue as to what a TCPser is/am
May 15 20:36:55 <Eyeth>	groepaz & Jim_Brain- Do you both know the c1541 syntax?
May 15 20:37:01 <Jim_Brain>	In fact, I've tested here with Centipede running on ttyS0 using tcpser and another tcpser running on ttyS1 with a 64 using Novaterm on it.  WOrks fine in CG or VT100/ANSI
May 15 20:37:11 <Eyeth>	I want to feed a GEOS file to a disk image via the command line. How do I do this?
May 15 20:37:16 <Jim_Brain>	I know c1541 syntax
May 15 20:37:19 <Eyeth>	The instructions weren't cear.
May 15 20:37:21 <Jim_Brain>	what do you need to do?
May 15 20:37:31 <groepaz>	Eyeth: a little....i avoid using that if possible...its got lot of odd little problems :=P
May 15 20:37:36 <Jim_Brain>	Is the GEOS file wrapped?
May 15 20:37:36 <Wildstar>	Ok, so if we follow the same "principle" - YOU (MikeC) can send the PETSCII code over. We may just need to modify client software for that.
May 15 20:38:09 <Eyeth>	Basically, I would use ca65 (under cc65 suite) to create geoPublish. Then I have to manually 'insert' geoPublish into a .d81 using StarCommander. It gets quite tedious.
May 15 20:38:10 <groepaz>	Eyeth: use wraptor....the native geos stuff is broken
May 15 20:38:13 <MikeC>	Is Centipede a Windows or CBM program?
May 15 20:38:16 <Wildstar>	Sending PETSCII code over a TCP packet. Is that right Jim.
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May 15 20:38:20 <Eyeth>	I'd like to automate this by using C1541.
May 15 20:38:25 <Wildstar>	No, its a C= program
May 15 20:38:27 <Jim_Brain>	WS, yes, IP traffic
May 15 20:38:32 <Jim_Brain>	Centipede is a 128 BBS
May 15 20:38:39 <RobertB>	Hi, ZebraDude.
May 15 20:38:41 <Charles_H>	Guess I'm out of here for tonight. See all of you next week.
May 15 20:38:46 <Jim_Brain>	cya CH
May 15 20:38:48 <LordRonin>	MikeC, it is the same BBS Os that I am running on the C=
May 15 20:38:52 <RobertB>	Good night, Charles.
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May 15 20:39:01 <Eyeth>	Well, Maciej claims c1541 support for GEOS is fixed.
May 15 20:39:01 <MikeC>	later charles
May 15 20:39:17 <Jim_Brain>	My NT to CP128 traffic goes RS232 to IP to RS232
May 15 20:39:38 <groepaz>	Eyeth: "fixed" and "c1541" in one sentence.....thats brave :o)
May 15 20:39:46 <Mad_Kat>	lol
May 15 20:39:54 <Wildstar>	MikeC, there is a C/G emulator for Windows. You just need to imitate the TCP/IP process and "emulate" the C/G PETSCII.
May 15 20:39:55 <Jim_Brain>	geosread /home/brain/geosfile geosfile
May 15 20:40:02 <Jim_Brain>	should do the trick
May 15 20:40:14 <MikeC>	Ok...so I guess the question is: what is the ideal platform to re-create Q-Link. Is it worth it to hack up Centipede accordingly?
May 15 20:40:35 <MikeC>	WIldstar, yep, I know...CBM_Term?
May 15 20:40:41 <Jim_Brain>	CP128 would not be a good choice for QLink
May 15 20:40:47 <Eyeth>	Heh.
May 15 20:40:51 <Jim_Brain>	QLink did not originally exist on a 64
May 15 20:40:57 <LordRonin>	MikeC Centipede has the best Ansi to C=GF that I have seen in a C= BBS. Beats Omni hands down
May 15 20:40:59 <ZebraDude>	Who's got the chat log?
May 15 20:40:59 <Jim_Brain>	And, a 64 an;t handle that many incoming conns
May 15 20:41:29 <Wildstar>	I do, Zebra
May 15 20:41:30 <Jim_Brain>	Quite frankly, the basic QLink service I am writing is in C
May 15 20:41:48 <RobertB>	Rick (Wildstar) has the chat log.
May 15 20:41:55 <Jim_Brain>	Although I might slip it over to Java, because it's faster to code in Java
May 15 20:42:03 <Eyeth>	I didn't see geosread in the c1541 docs.
May 15 20:42:11 <Eyeth>	I'll try it later and hopefully it'll work.
May 15 20:42:20 <Jim_Brain>	Either way, C=Link is best implemented in Linux/Win32,
May 15 20:42:24 <Jim_Brain>	in my opinion.
May 15 20:42:30 <Jim_Brain>	Linux will be my implementation
May 15 20:42:50 <MikeC>	Jim_B, what about taking an existing open source BBS program like EleBBS?
May 15 20:42:52 <Jim_Brain>	But, the client will be good old QLink
May 15 20:43:05 <Jim_Brain>	Problem is serial nature of BBS code
May 15 20:43:26 <LordRonin>	MikeC Centipede is open now, you can DL the source code from the web site.
May 15 20:43:27 <Jim_Brain>	And, the very convoluted protocol of QLink
May 15 20:43:38 <Eyeth>	Well, it's been a great chat. I'm signing off... Hope to see you all at the EXPO!
May 15 20:43:48 <Jim_Brain>	cya Eyeth
May 15 20:43:48 <LordRonin>	BCNU Eyeth
May 15 20:43:52 <RobertB>	Good night, Todd.
May 15 20:43:52 <Mad_Kat>	l8er eyeth
May 15 20:43:55 <MikeC>	Lord_R, do you have a URL?
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May 15 20:44:02 <MikeC>	later Eyeth
May 15 20:44:08 <Jim_Brain>	MikeC, is EleBBS telnet capable?
May 15 20:44:14 <Jim_Brain>	If so, then it might work.
May 15 20:45:48 <MikeC>	Jim_B, take a look at www.elebbs.com for more info. It's a great program! Very modular and scalable.
May 15 20:46:03 <Jim_Brain>	Will do.
May 15 20:46:12 <LordRonin>	MikeC  www.snowpig.org/centipede where I scored it up. Haven't put source code on my BBS yet.
May 15 20:46:17 <Jim_Brain>	Still, tho, not much since hacking a BBS app until I get the protocol figured out.
May 15 20:47:09 <MikeC>	Lord_R, will take a look. Too bad I don;'t have a realy C-128...will have to use vice for now.
May 15 20:48:00 <LordRonin>	MikeC, they pop up from time to time on eBay I am told. As well as in comp.sys.cbm. That is where I am getting two for my members.
May 15 20:49:17 <RobertB>	Huh, somebody want C128's?  Our club has them for sale.
May 15 20:49:48 <LordRonin>	Robert any "D" units. Two of my members are going after that model.
May 15 20:50:05 <RobertB>	I'll have to check, Dave.
May 15 20:50:14 <RobertB>	But not right now.
May 15 20:50:15 <thea1ien>	Wish Vice would introduce CMD HD support (especially would be nice to have with emulated so you could link it to say a dir on your host system(
May 15 20:50:28 <LordRonin>	Appreciate the look Robert
May 15 20:50:32 <MikeC>	LordR, I'd rather buy one in person. Funny thing, I use to have one years ago but sold it. I wouldn't mind getting a C-128DCR but I'd have to get rid of a pair of C-64c's and a couple C-64's.
May 15 20:51:15 <thea1ien>	DCR?
May 15 20:51:35 <MikeC>	...C-128D (Cost Reduced) with the 64K video
May 15 20:51:45 <LordRonin>	MikeC understand what you mean. On the in person part. I don't have any for sale in my shop. Just 64s
May 15 20:51:54 <RobertB>	Yes, the metal-boxed C128D.
May 15 20:52:19 <thea1ien>	oh, a US model versus the Euro version (plastic w/handle)
May 15 20:52:37 <MikeC>	Yeah...if I brought home one more Commodore, my wife will freak. ;)
May 15 20:53:21 <LordRonin>	MikeC well my next wife must love me and my C=
May 15 20:53:44 <Jim_Brain>	My wife just accepts it.  In the new house, I took over the utility room (the furnace and such are next to me).
May 15 20:53:47 <RobertB>	I hear tell that some of the metal-boxed versions made it to Europe.
May 15 20:53:56 <Jim_Brain>	I have a 12 foot by 8 foot WALL of COMMODORE
May 15 20:54:13 <Jim_Brain>	I count 8 machines set up
May 15 20:54:18 <RobertB>	Huh?!  The Wall of Commodore?!
May 15 20:54:24 <Jim_Brain>	6 monitors.
May 15 20:54:34 <RobertB>	I must see that some day!
May 15 20:54:41 <Jim_Brain>	2 dozen drives, or so.
May 15 20:54:46 <MikeC>	The problem is that the CBM's are the least of my collection. I also have a pair of Apple IIc's and a variety of Mac's, PC's a pair of Amiga 1000's. It's nuts.
May 15 20:54:50 <Jim_Brain>	Including the HD, the FD, and MSD-2
May 15 20:54:52 <ZebraDude>	Hey JB, you need a KVM for that setup  ;)
May 15 20:55:14 <LordRonin>	Jim, I have an entire 10x15 foot room, shop and storage shed of Commodore
May 15 20:55:18 <Jim_Brain>	I gave up on my other collections.  The N* Horizons went ot other collectors, the TI's went to others, etc.
May 15 20:55:39 <Jim_Brain>	LR, you got me beat.  Although I have more stuff, it's just in boxes...
May 15 20:55:52 <Jim_Brain>	I could probably fill a 10x15 room with my CBM stuff
May 15 20:56:05 <RobertB>	I need a storage shed for my C= stuff.
May 15 20:56:07 <Jim_Brain>	Course, you fix them.  I just use them
May 15 20:56:13 <Mad_Kat>	Plenty of emulators, not much real hardware here.
May 15 20:56:45 <MikeC>	Funny thing, I offer a TPUG guy my Apple IIc's for free which he seemed excited to take off my hands but then he never called. That was 2 years ago. Still got them in a box.
May 15 20:56:48 <Jim_Brain>	Well, I have emu's too.  I have run Centipede on VICE using the virtual SL support on Linux via TCPSER to the internet
May 15 20:56:55 <thea1ien>	I have a decent amt of commodore equipment...right now I have a 128D hooked to 1902 monitor, 1541, 2 CMD HD's (1 gig and 4 gig), 1581 and FD-2000
May 15 20:57:14 <Mad_Kat>	Apple? SSSSS! :)
May 15 20:57:18 <Jim_Brain>	Bo's got my C65 at the moment tho.
May 15 20:57:26 <LordRonin>	Hey he could have said speccy
May 15 20:57:32 <Jim_Brain>	NOt that I was using it, but it was hooked up
May 15 20:57:36 <RobertB>	Nice, the a1ien!
May 15 20:57:39 <MikeC>	Jim_B, oh...you answered what I was thinking in my head...can I run Cent. on VICE? Guess you can...
May 15 20:57:40 <thea1ien>	also have a SuperCPU 128 and Ramlink but not hooked up right now
May 15 20:57:44 <Mad_Kat>	LOL true...:)
May 15 20:57:45 <LordRonin>	I'm learning to fix the units.
May 15 20:58:02 <Jim_Brain>	U can, but my Linux box is a bit underpowered for VICE.
May 15 20:58:16 <MikeC>	Mad_Kat, sorry, shouldn't mention the "A" word here. ;)
May 15 20:58:20 <Jim_Brain>	I have 3 linux boxen under the shelved here, which are the servers
May 15 20:58:29 <Jim_Brain>	But, none above 300MHz.
May 15 20:58:40 <LordRonin>	At this time I'm running the 128D with SCPU and 16MB RAM, 4.3GB CMD HD, 1581, FD-2000 and a CD-Rom that needs fixing
May 15 20:59:10 <Jim_Brain>	Egad, forgot the 2 SX's sitting on the project table
May 15 20:59:16 <Jim_Brain>	It's a full wall
May 15 20:59:22 <Jim_Brain>	I need to take a pic and post.
May 15 20:59:34 <RobertB>	Yes, Jim, please do.
May 15 20:59:47 <Jim_Brain>	It impresses most people who see it, even if they don't know a CBM from a ICBM
May 15 21:00:05 <RobertB>	Yes!  Impress the public!
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May 15 21:00:17 <thea1ien>	would be interesting to get a CDrom hooked up, but from what it seems, you need to remove a harddrive and just use the controller with the cdrom
May 15 21:00:25 <Mad_Kat>	Call it Little NORAD...
May 15 21:00:32 <Jim_Brain>	Of course, you haven;t lived till you've seen a 320x200 projected on an 8 foot wall.
May 15 21:00:32 <LordRonin>	Hoi mr_megaby
May 15 21:00:37 <RobertB>	Hi, mr_megaby
May 15 21:00:44 <MikeC>	Anyone have a IDE thingy for their CBM?
May 15 21:00:44 <mr_megaby>	hello
May 15 21:00:46 <Jim_Brain>	Those are BIG characters
May 15 21:00:48 <LordRonin>	I'm working again with the CD Rom Commander
May 15 21:00:57 <RobertB>	Ah, you have a projection system?
May 15 21:01:07 <Jim_Brain>	Yes, an LCD projector.
May 15 21:01:10 <RobertB>	Not I, MikeC.
May 15 21:01:11 <LordRonin>	Traded mine MikeC
May 15 21:01:26 <RobertB>	How much did you pay for the LCD projector, Jim?
May 15 21:01:26 <LordRonin>	Heard that there was a projector for the C=. Like to score one up.
May 15 21:01:32 <Jim_Brain>	$760
May 15 21:01:38 <RobertB>	Ouch!
May 15 21:01:47 <LordRonin>	Ouch more than the VA give me a month
May 15 21:01:49 <Jim_Brain>	Cheaper than a big screen TV...
May 15 21:01:52 <RobertB>	Too rich for my tastes.
May 15 21:02:20 <Jim_Brain>	And I have the BIGGEST TV available....  
May 15 21:02:22 <thea1ien>	actually I am having a serial issue with all the drives tho since I hooked them back up....
May 15 21:02:26 <Mad_Kat>	Fun if you can afford it...
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May 15 21:02:39 <RobertB>	Oh-no, t.v. envy!
May 15 21:02:46 <Mad_Kat>	lol
May 15 21:02:47 <Jim_Brain>	They make cheaper ones.  FOr a CBM only setup, there were units for $300.00 or so.
May 15 21:03:01 <thea1ien>	and not sure where the prob is, but each unit works on it's own...I think it is mostly because there are so many devices setup in the chain
May 15 21:03:10 <Jim_Brain>	Yes, all the guy at work were like, "Hey, I got 61"...
May 15 21:03:26 <Jim_Brain>	They spent $2300 for a big boat anchor.
May 15 21:03:36 <Jim_Brain>	With bad resolution, IMHO
May 15 21:03:50 <Jim_Brain>	So, I'd played with the idea of a projector for years, and we got one in 2002
May 15 21:04:05 <RobertB>	I just read Consumer Reports and go by what it says about t.v.'s.
May 15 21:04:14 <thea1ien>	anyone know anybody in VA besides me still into the C=?
May 15 21:04:20 <Jim_Brain>	Normally, it's set up for 100" diagonal
May 15 21:04:26 <mr_megaby>	I have to make sure I use serial cables with a thicker gauge of wire in them to get all my drives to come up properly.
May 15 21:04:59 <Wildstar>	Ok, Zebradude got the log
May 15 21:05:26 <RobertB>	Hmm, VA.... have you checked the list of C= clubs?  Maybe there's one in your state?
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May 15 21:05:27 <Jim_Brain>	Even, then, though, plugging in a 64 makes for 3" letters or so.
May 15 21:07:13 <thea1ien>	last time I checked, yeah....I am hoping to find someone in my general area.....I'm in a populated area, one of the biggest in VA so you would assume there is someone
May 15 21:08:13 <Wildstar>	Hmm... MikeC left
May 15 21:08:15 <thea1ien>	and we used to have a C= user group for awhile here but I understand no more....not to mention many BBS's
May 15 21:09:12 <mr_megaby>	anyone know where bbs.docsplace.org went to?  That was a decent BBS to telnet into from the C=
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May 15 21:09:41 <Jim_Brain>	try addixion.org
May 15 21:09:48 <mr_megaby>	cool
May 15 21:09:52 <Jim_Brain>	Or, the BBSes on www.petscii.com
May 15 21:10:18 <Jim_Brain>	BBSes come and go, as they always do.
May 15 21:10:36 <LordRonin>	Jim, been running one here for the last 8 years.
May 15 21:10:44 <mr_megaby>	Very true :)
May 15 21:10:50 <Jim_Brain>	True, but you know you're the exception.
May 15 21:10:52 <Jim_Brain>	to the rule.
May 15 21:11:03 <Jim_Brain>	RUnning a BBS is a long term committment...
May 15 21:11:32 <Jim_Brain>	People think it is great at first, but eventually, they want their HW back.
May 15 21:11:39 <Jim_Brain>	Or they get tired of the maintenance.
May 15 21:11:44 <LordRonin>	Yeah I am usually the odd ball one. Have the only BBS in the county now.
May 15 21:11:47 <Jim_Brain>	It's rather like getting a puppy.
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May 15 21:12:20 <RobertB>	And I thought I was not going to have troubles tonight.
May 15 21:12:42 <Jim_Brain>	I'm planning on putting a BBS up, for the long haul, but am waiting until I get all of the HW allocated for it, and 
May 15 21:12:44 <Wildstar>	Amazing, and I am lucky.
May 15 21:12:49 <LordRonin>	On the board in the morning and again at night. Doing all sorts of things. As well as file testing the ul-ing. Yuppers a bit of work, but still a work of art in the end
May 15 21:13:02 <Mad_Kat>	Well, even Commodores can get axed..
May 15 21:13:09 <Jim_Brain>	I need to set mine up for very low maintenance.
May 15 21:13:11 <RobertB>	:-)
May 15 21:13:22 <thea1ien>	would love to run mine too...but dialup is pretty much dead. With the advantage of being able to telnet to a board and do other stuff at the same time online, figure better chance to get users
May 15 21:13:35 <LordRonin>	So far BitchX hasn't dropped me off this time around
May 15 21:13:46 <Jim_Brain>	Yes, thet's why I wrote tcpser.  So, I can offer a BBS on telnet.
May 15 21:14:04 <Jim_Brain>	But, I have a plugin for TCPSER I am writing to allow a regular dialup connection.
May 15 21:14:18 <LordRonin>	Being the exception again. Going Telnet at this time would kill off most of my regular callers.
May 15 21:14:20 <Jim_Brain>	So, tpcser would support both dialup and IP
May 15 21:14:27 <Mad_Kat>	Is Jim_Brain actually Jim Butterfield?
May 15 21:14:32 <LordRonin>	Now that would be great for my needs!
May 15 21:14:34 <Jim_Brain>	uh, no
May 15 21:14:41 <Jim_Brain>	Jim Brain is Jim Brain
May 15 21:14:50 <RobertB>	No, Jim is different than Jim.
May 15 21:14:55 <Jim_Brain>	There's a few of us Jim's in CBM
May 15 21:14:57 <Wildstar>	I plan to have a phpBB (webbased) up in the future. But must increase volume size. Of course after a while, I'll establish my own dedicated hosting.
May 15 21:15:14 <Mad_Kat>	ok. just curious. Be nice if Mr. Butterfield could join us here.
May 15 21:15:15 <Wildstar>	whenever it becomes cost worthy
May 15 21:15:41 <LordRonin>	Jim, then thsi tpcser would allow my direct dial callers and telnet ability on my Centipede BBS?
May 15 21:15:53 <Jim_Brain>	LR, yes, but right now, you'd have to break your CBM only rule, as I don't yet have dedicated HW for my code (It requires a Linux box of some size)
May 15 21:16:06 <RobertB>	Well, it would be 12:15 a.m. for Jim Butterfield.  I don't know if he stays up that late.
May 15 21:16:38 <Wildstar>	LR is getting a 386 so Linux, yes.
May 15 21:16:48 <LordRonin>	Jim, that is IIRC the project the U.G. may be working upon. Making some sort of non C= thing into a Linux slave for the C=
May 15 21:16:52 <Jim_Brain>	jb doesn't prefer chat.  He like email and newsgroups, because they are asynch
May 15 21:17:02 <groepaz>	something that would regular dialup users allow to use the internet would be kinda slick
May 15 21:17:24 <LordRonin>	Be nice if someone also had FIDO ability for Centipede.
May 15 21:17:25 <RobertB>	Yes!  Dial-up!
May 15 21:17:29 <Jim_Brain>	You mean Dale Sidebottom's prj?
May 15 21:17:47 <groepaz>	quite a bunch of c64-only users around here that cant access the net since there are no more oldschool shell providers (ppp only)
May 15 21:18:01 <Jim_Brain>	Yes, tcpser will allow both telnet and dialup
May 15 21:18:18 <LordRonin>	Jim, not Dale's project. I don't know much about that one. Ray Allen gifted me his files on C= to9 Linux before he closed his site.
May 15 21:18:21 <Wildstar>	The ACUG is going to work on making a non-C= Linux box.
May 15 21:18:31 <Jim_Brain>	And, it'll take the modem off hook (to prevent dialup callers when telnet user is on...)
May 15 21:18:37 <Jim_Brain>	It'll also support multiple lines.
May 15 21:18:46 <LordRonin>	Sounds good to me. 
May 15 21:18:53 <Jim_Brain>	LR, can I see the files?  
May 15 21:19:15 <Jim_Brain>	LR, if you get a 386 with Linux, I can set up tcpser on it....
May 15 21:19:22 <Wildstar>	Geez, now there is no reason to hide.
May 15 21:19:26 <groepaz>	Jim_Brain: what i mean is it should be able to function as a gateway for dialup users
May 15 21:19:49 <Jim_Brain>	It could function that way.
May 15 21:20:06 <LordRonin>	Jim, I have to find where I stored the big zip file. Buried for future use in one of the partitons. But when I have it open, I will post it here and send you a copy of the file.
May 15 21:20:15 <mr_megaby>	yes, it is Midnight here in Toledo, OH...  Off to bed!
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May 15 21:20:22 <Jim_Brain>	The way I am writing it, the modem listener part would answer the phone and then connect to an IP address
May 15 21:20:38 <LordRonin>	I was given permission to pass it around and even put it on the BBS
May 15 21:20:56 <Jim_Brain>	Normally, the modem and the BBS would be local, but you could put a modem in VA, and have it send data to a BBS in Europe.
May 15 21:21:10 <Jim_Brain>	cya megaby
May 15 21:21:41 <Jim_Brain>	But, you can run a Linux box with shell accounts hooked to modems now...
May 15 21:21:50 <Jim_Brain>	So, I doubt tcpser would offer much there.
May 15 21:21:51 <LordRonin>	Is DSL a possible hook up as well?
May 15 21:22:10 <LordRonin>	This is all new intellegence for me
May 15 21:22:14 <Jim_Brain>	LR:  How so?  U mean DSL to the 64 direct?
May 15 21:22:32 <Jim_Brain>	Right now, the way I get 64 to DSL (cable here), is via Linux...
May 15 21:22:45 <Jim_Brain>	Linux hooks to DSL (cable), 64 hooks to Linux (via tcpser)
May 15 21:22:48 <groepaz>	dsl would be possible if someone implemented pppoe
May 15 21:22:49 <LordRonin>	Well I understand that with the Lantronix UDS-10 it is possible to use Linux and connect to DSL
May 15 21:23:08 <Jim_Brain>	UDS-10 would do it.
May 15 21:23:10 <LordRonin>	Though with my lack of understanding I could be way off
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May 15 21:23:28 <KilrPilr>	hi all
May 15 21:23:29 <Wildstar>	LR could hook the Linux box directly to the DSL router and the C64 is hooked to the Linux box via RS-232. But wouldn't Turbo232 be necassary ?
May 15 21:23:32 <Jim_Brain>	U could drop a UDS-10 on your SL/T232, and get telnet callers.
May 15 21:23:37 <Jim_Brain>	hi
May 15 21:23:37 <LordRonin>	Hoi KilrPilr
May 15 21:23:38 <RobertB>	Hi, KilrPilr.
May 15 21:23:45 <KilrPilr>	hi guys
May 15 21:23:58 <KilrPilr>	so hows the chattin tonight
May 15 21:24:02 <RobertB>	Cameron Kaiser is the guru on UDS-10.
May 15 21:24:09 <LordRonin>	Way loads of new to me things to understand
May 15 21:24:10 <Jim_Brain>	WS, well, T232/SL is needed for fast speed.  But, I can hook my 64 to Linux via a user port cable if needed?
May 15 21:24:16 <KilrPilr>	lol
May 15 21:24:22 <KilrPilr>	how are you lord ronin
May 15 21:24:25 <RobertB>	Oh, we've been talking about all kinds of C= things.
May 15 21:24:28 <KilrPilr>	havent talked for awhile
May 15 21:24:29 <LordRonin>	Robert, yes he is the one that told me it could be done and with Wave
May 15 21:24:46 <KilrPilr>	cool robert
May 15 21:24:52 <Wildstar>	Certainly and FAST speed is the practicality.
May 15 21:24:53 <KilrPilr>	i forgot all about it tonight
May 15 21:25:08 <KilrPilr>	just went to read csc and seen your post
May 15 21:25:12 <Wildstar>	Hallo KilrPilr
May 15 21:25:16 <LordRonin>	Hanging in there KilrPilr going to have to split soon. My turn to cook and I'm out of beer <G>
May 15 21:25:20 <KilrPilr>	hey wild*
May 15 21:25:21 <Jim_Brain>	UDS-10 is just one option in that space.  Numerous compaies sell modem emulators like the UDS-10
May 15 21:25:27 <KilrPilr>	lol
May 15 21:25:29 <RobertB>	Well, I won't be on much longer.  I must catch up on sleep.  Only had 2 1/2 hours last night.
May 15 21:25:35 <KilrPilr>	ouch
May 15 21:25:49 <KilrPilr>	hows the trading been going LR?
May 15 21:26:00 <RobertB>	A 1 1/2 hour nap this afternoon.
May 15 21:26:02 <KilrPilr>	I still have that cd32!
May 15 21:26:06 <Wildstar>	I'll be on for a little longer.
May 15 21:26:16 <KilrPilr>	why up so late robert?
May 15 21:26:38 <Wildstar>	Well, LR - we can easily continue this discussion next week as well.
May 15 21:26:39 <LordRonin>	Got me on that one KilrPilr trading on what topic?
May 15 21:26:39 <RobertB>	Hey, I'm still planning my Grand C= Tour, which would include Victoria/Vancouver!
May 15 21:26:51 <KilrPilr>	its Leo 
May 15 21:27:01 <KilrPilr>	You prolly dont know me by Kilrpilr
May 15 21:27:15 <RobertB>	KilrPilr... I must be here to be part of the C= scene on-line.
May 15 21:27:16 <KilrPilr>	member we talked and did a trade awhile back
May 15 21:27:30 <KilrPilr>	Sweet Robert
May 15 21:27:33 <LordRonin>	Hoi Leo, hey must send you another copy of the Village Green. Using the ComputerEyes Driver in Geos. Much greater resolution for the images
May 15 21:27:37 <KilrPilr>	I was at the nwcge last weekend!
May 15 21:27:38 <Wildstar>	KilrPilr, I think it is you I have to contact on the VIC-20 MB.
May 15 21:27:40 <KilrPilr>	where were you?
May 15 21:27:48 <KilrPilr>	yes wild*
May 15 21:28:03 <KilrPilr>	You are still up for my challenge are you?
May 15 21:28:07 <RobertB>	Yes, Kilr... I saw that announcement... but too late to send it to anyone else.
May 15 21:28:19 <KilrPilr>	Oh soo great to hear LR
May 15 21:28:21 <RobertB>	NWCGE just has to be advertised better.
May 15 21:28:28 <Wildstar>	Ok, I'll send an email sometime this week. Yes. I am working on getting one of those ComputerEyes
May 15 21:28:37 <KilrPilr>	yeah it was an extremly last minute decision for me to go
May 15 21:28:45 <LordRonin>	Well I know a guy that has a RL that he may want to rid himself off. As he frelled himself with Maurice for the repair.
May 15 21:28:52 <Wildstar>	(It just takes a little time)
May 15 21:29:02 <RobertB>	Was NWCGE good?  How many people were there?
May 15 21:29:02 <KilrPilr>	no scpu yet? :)
May 15 21:29:08 <KilrPilr>	it was great
May 15 21:29:12 <LordRonin>	Sorry WildStar, Traded that IDe to KilrPilr for the C.E.
May 15 21:29:14 <KilrPilr>	I was very happy to be there
May 15 21:29:21 <LordRonin>	Not yet on the SCPU.
May 15 21:29:28 <KilrPilr>	im still waiting
May 15 21:29:35 <KilrPilr>	patiently
May 15 21:29:35 <KilrPilr>	:)
May 15 21:29:44 <KilrPilr>	it was great Robert
May 15 21:29:45 <Wildstar>	I was talking about the other one
May 15 21:29:45 <Mad_Kat>	Well, gents, I reckon I'll call it a night. Take it easy and later..
May 15 21:29:55 <KilrPilr>	not to over crowded which was nice
May 15 21:29:58 <LordRonin>	I'm still hunting, but no ammo in my rifle :-(
May 15 21:30:06 <KilrPilr>	lol
May 15 21:30:07 <LordRonin>	BCNU MAd_Kat
May 15 21:30:16 <RobertB>	Good night, Mad_Kat.
May 15 21:30:20 <KilrPilr>	well things seem to come your way so hopefully eventually
May 15 21:30:25 <KilrPilr>	cya mad kat
May 15 21:30:35 <RobertB>	Tell me more about NWCGE, Kilr.
May 15 21:30:35 <Mad_Kat>	alrighty nite all...
May 15 21:30:37 <LordRonin>	Still have the second one #8
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May 15 21:30:42 <Wildstar>	The one, that we have that deal with a C-128D & PS/2 Mouse adapter
May 15 21:30:43 <KilrPilr>	not much for commodore stuff unfortunately
May 15 21:30:49 <KilrPilr>	although I did manage a nice trade
May 15 21:30:55 <Wildstar>	That is what I am talking about.
May 15 21:30:56 <RobertB>	Yes?
May 15 21:31:01 <LordRonin>	Any word on that 128D part?
May 15 21:31:31 <KilrPilr>	 a guy there had a sx64 setup and a 1571 drive for sale
May 15 21:31:32 <Wildstar>	I got a bid on it.
May 15 21:31:40 <RobertB>	And?
May 15 21:31:42 <KilrPilr>	thats the first time ive seen an sx64 up  close
May 15 21:31:59 <LordRonin>	Got one that needs repair cheap
May 15 21:32:08 <KilrPilr>	ooooh
May 15 21:32:13 <KilrPilr>	im listneing LR
May 15 21:32:18 <LordRonin>	Shipping is a real pain
May 15 21:32:36 <LordRonin>	Open to offers
May 15 21:32:46 <Jim_Brain>	What needs fixed on it.
May 15 21:32:47 <thea1ien>	seen a few SX's...would love to have one still on day
May 15 21:32:56 <KilrPilr>	there was atari ,intellivision, colecovision ,atari 130xe setup to play
May 15 21:33:09 <RobertB>	Hey, if I go on my Grand C= Tour, I'll be passing pass Astoria and could transport stuff up to B.C.
May 15 21:33:12 <Jim_Brain>	or, what is wrong with it
May 15 21:33:23 <KilrPilr>	and the same guy who had the sx64 had some other atari and a old mac setup for people to look at.He was mainly selling things
May 15 21:33:24 <Jim_Brain>	makes a difference on the offer
May 15 21:33:33 <LordRonin>	Not real certain. Mess with it a bit only. Gets the Cyan screen and does do some disk access. But doesn't give the proper immediate mode screen or read the disks.
May 15 21:33:36 <KilrPilr>	gees that would be good
May 15 21:34:00 <RobertB>	Another SX for Ray Carlsen to work on.
May 15 21:34:05 <LordRonin>	At least the monitor is working
May 15 21:34:17 <LordRonin>	;-?
May 15 21:34:19 <KilrPilr>	when do you think you may be coming for your grand tour Robert?
May 15 21:34:20 <Jim_Brain>	Bummer, I got one in the same boat as that.
May 15 21:34:46 <KilrPilr>	I thought they were bigger than they are
May 15 21:34:49 <thea1ien>	anyone know what type of cable you can use to extend the 128D keyboard? I know it can be done, seen someone along time ago that had one
May 15 21:34:58 <KilrPilr>	I was pleasantly surprised by how narrow they really are
May 15 21:34:59 <RobertB>	Still trying to figure that out, Kilr.  Maybe in July.
May 15 21:35:19 <KilrPilr>	for any particular reason Robert?
May 15 21:35:36 <RobertB>	I just remembered that I still have to get into that Shania Twain concert on June 22 in my area.
May 15 21:35:44 <RobertB>	So that part of June is out.
May 15 21:35:46 <thea1ien>	I believe it's like a parallel/serial RS-232 type cable connector but not sure
May 15 21:35:50 <KilrPilr>	Shania Twain?? Ahaha
May 15 21:35:56 <KilrPilr>	just J/k
May 15 21:35:57 <LordRonin>	What no Kinks or Who fans in here tonight? <G>
May 15 21:36:16 <groepaz>	thealiean: a laplink cable maybe? that has all pins connected straight through
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May 15 21:36:18 <KilrPilr>	so that driver for geos did the trick LR?
May 15 21:36:21 <RobertB>	I like some Led Zeppelin.
May 15 21:36:28 <RobertB>	Hi, Vext.
May 15 21:36:30 <LordRonin>	Hoi Vext
May 15 21:36:40 <thea1ien>	hi vext
May 15 21:36:40 *	Vext is now known as Jim_Lawle
May 15 21:36:49 <LordRonin>	Yeah it makes a better image than converting through GoDot to Geso.
May 15 21:36:50 <KilrPilr>	Hey Jim
May 15 21:36:51 <Jim_Lawle>	Hi, guys.  My nick didn't stick.
May 15 21:37:07 <KilrPilr>	Sweet LR!
May 15 21:37:09 *	Jim_Lawle is now known as JLawless
May 15 21:37:16 <KilrPilr>	Did any of those other files help at all?
May 15 21:37:19 <RobertB>	No problem.  Now we know who you are!  ;-)
May 15 21:37:22 <LordRonin>	The Pixels are tighter and much more Square in appearance
May 15 21:37:35 <KilrPilr>	good
May 15 21:37:51 <LordRonin>	Some, honestly been backlogged with commitments for too much play time :-(
May 15 21:38:31 <LordRonin>	Just did a photo of me today in Geos, Printed it on the Okimate-10. At 3' looks like a B&W photograph
May 15 21:39:05 <Wildstar>	Oh, I contacted Greg Nacu about the PS/2 Mouse Adapter.
May 15 21:39:31 <KilrPilr>	haha id like to see it LR
May 15 21:39:35 <LordRonin>	Saw one of those when MAd Max was here for the copy party
May 15 21:39:40 <RobertB>	I'll have to see that photo some time, Dave.
May 15 21:39:49 <LordRonin>	You have a strong stomach there KilrPilr
May 15 21:39:56 <KilrPilr>	Please send me a copy of the village green if you get time LR
May 15 21:40:04 <KilrPilr>	LMAO
May 15 21:40:13 <KilrPilr>	Oh come on
May 15 21:40:14 <RobertB>	Greg Nacu did a PS/2 adapter, too?  I thought Dave Ross was working on one.
May 15 21:40:21 <LordRonin>	Be warned it may grace the cover of this months issue. Now that I found Scrap it!
May 15 21:40:30 <Wildstar>	He distributes them.
May 15 21:40:39 <Wildstar>	(Modernity Group)
May 15 21:40:40 <KilrPilr>	suits me just fine
May 15 21:40:45 <LordRonin>	You can put the rings and numbers for the dart board on it your self <LOL>
May 15 21:40:52 <KilrPilr>	Its nice to know what these people you talk to look like
May 15 21:40:58 <KilrPilr>	lol
May 15 21:41:04 <KilrPilr>	lawn darts?
May 15 21:41:31 <LordRonin>	Look for the Pipe in the mess of hair and beard. Me am just long haired <C= militant> hippy freak <VBG>
May 15 21:41:41 <LordRonin>	Maybe 301??
May 15 21:41:44 <RobertB>	Yeah, my pic is on-line at several places.
May 15 21:41:50 <KilrPilr>	you dont like haircuts?
May 15 21:42:00 <KilrPilr>	:)
May 15 21:42:10 <LordRonin>	Nah still stuck in the 60s.
May 15 21:42:11 <Wildstar>	It is the Micromys PS/2 Mouse Adaptors
May 15 21:42:17 <LordRonin>	:-?
May 15 21:42:17 <KilrPilr>	sorry guess im goin off topic here
May 15 21:42:25 <Wildstar>	Same as the ones of Protovision
May 15 21:42:32 <KilrPilr>	ah well. we all got our thing
May 15 21:42:33 <LordRonin>	Not at all deals with a C= tool and the end product
May 15 21:42:50 <LordRonin>	Is there a difference in cost for you #8
May 15 21:43:06 <RobertB>	Nah, Kilr, talking about C= people is on-topic.
May 15 21:43:08 <Wildstar>	Yes, shipping & handling
May 15 21:43:25 <KilrPilr>	oh good
May 15 21:43:34 <LordRonin>	Then go for the cheaper S/H
May 15 21:43:38 <Wildstar>	$39
May 15 21:43:40 <LordRonin>	AFTK
May 15 21:43:47 <KilrPilr>	So are you planning on getting all your commodore files back online Jim Brain or are they already?
May 15 21:44:04 <RobertB>	Oh, PS/2... not Playstation 2.  Dave Ross is working on Playstation controller adapters.
May 15 21:44:09 <Wildstar>	(a free PS/2 mouse can be included)
May 15 21:44:33 <KilrPilr>	I remember when i first found the inet and when I discovered Jims presence and his huge website I was utterly amazed
May 15 21:44:47 <KilrPilr>	Happy to see a Guru of the past was still around helping people
May 15 21:44:55 <Wildstar>	Oh, yeah. 8-Bit Designs had a Playstation style joystick that plugs into the Commodore
May 15 21:45:01 <LordRonin>	What about the Sega controller? Think I saw an article in Commodore World on how to make one for the C=
May 15 21:45:24 <KilrPilr>	i use a sega master system controller
May 15 21:45:27 <Wildstar>	I mean gamepad
May 15 21:45:28 <KilrPilr>	a real easy hack
May 15 21:45:40 <LordRonin>	I can be talked into that #8
May 15 21:45:52 <KilrPilr>	im considering adapting one to have 2 port plugs on it so i can play spy hunter properly
May 15 21:45:59 <LordRonin>	Had a system come into the shop that had the Master controller for the joystick
May 15 21:46:11 <RobertB>	Would a CDTV controller work on a Commodore?
May 15 21:46:26 <KilrPilr>	is it 9 pin db?
May 15 21:46:38 <LordRonin>	Too small for my crippled hands
May 15 21:46:49 <LordRonin>	Isn't that the remote control one Robert
May 15 21:46:58 <thea1ien>	I remember that you can use the Sega Genesis controller with the 64 but it has issues
May 15 21:47:13 <KilrPilr>	yeah thealien it needs moding
May 15 21:47:29 <LordRonin>	Yeah there was some internal wiring to make it safe. IIRC the article correctly
May 15 21:47:47 <RobertB>	I forget how it connects.
May 15 21:48:15 <RobertB>	But I already have remote control joysticks/adapters for Commodore.
May 15 21:48:18 <LordRonin>	Robert, the one I am thinking of is the hand held wireless controller for the CD/TV. Is that the one you mean?
May 15 21:48:47 <LordRonin>	My CD/TV is in the cupboard in the shop
May 15 21:49:00 <RobertB>	I think so, Dave.
May 15 21:49:03 <Wildstar>	LR, I have the wireless "ATARI" style which can be used on a C=\
May 15 21:49:17 <thea1ien>	I still love my Epyx joystick :)
May 15 21:49:23 <LordRonin>	Didn't know that there were wireless controllers for the C=
May 15 21:49:28 <RobertB>	Yeah, those wireless Atari joysticks are still out there.
May 15 21:49:36 <LordRonin>	I love the Quickshot 10
May 15 21:49:37 <Wildstar>	YIPPIE
May 15 21:49:43 <thea1ien>	500 XJ
May 15 21:49:47 <Wildstar>	I'm EVIL
May 15 21:50:08 <KilrPilr>	the 500 xj is a good jstick
May 15 21:50:11 <LordRonin>	Useless for me thea1ien. I'm left handed, might have a couple left in the shop tho
May 15 21:50:14 <RobertB>	I prefer the Wico joysticks for their durability.
May 15 21:50:20 <KilrPilr>	mine died for some reason and i couldnt seem to resuresctit
May 15 21:50:39 <Wildstar>	My next MEGA-CHALLENGE, wireless "Playstation" style gamepad for C=\
May 15 21:50:40 <KilrPilr>	game pads are much nicer though
May 15 21:50:48 <RobertB>	And the little Kraft joysticks for controllability (though they are not very durable).
May 15 21:50:54 <LordRonin>	That is the stock hard plasitc one not the foam one?
May 15 21:51:15 <RobertB>	Yes, hard plastic.
May 15 21:51:30 <LordRonin>	OK think I have one of those left and two of the foan ones
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May 15 21:51:57 <RobertB>	Hi, Alan.
May 15 21:52:13 <Alan>	Hello
May 15 21:52:16 <LordRonin>	MikeC, it is the same BBS Os that I am running on the C=<G>
May 15 21:52:18 <KilrPilr>	Hi
May 15 21:52:20 <LordRonin>	Hoi Alan
May 15 21:52:46 <LordRonin>	Hmm another strange old msg just sent???
May 15 21:52:57 <Wildstar>	MikeC fell offline
May 15 21:52:59 <LordRonin>	Not the one I typed
May 15 21:53:14 <LordRonin>	Yeah #8 I don't know why the old msg was sent.
May 15 21:53:33 <KilrPilr>	whos #1 on your BBS LR?
May 15 21:53:39 <RobertB>	Now I wonder if a Vectrex controller would work with a Commodore?
May 15 21:53:40 <LordRonin>	Wasn't the one I typed about using the C.E. for a catalouge of the shop C= inventory
May 15 21:53:43 <Wildstar>	LR
May 15 21:54:06 <LordRonin>	Lord Ronin from Q-Link
May 15 21:54:08 <Wildstar>	#1 = Lord Ronin from Q-Link
May 15 21:54:11 <KilrPilr>	ah yes, should have known
May 15 21:54:17 <KilrPilr>	:)
May 15 21:54:22 <LordRonin>	#2 = Imperial Warlord
May 15 21:54:36 <Wildstar>	#3 ?
May 15 21:54:39 <LordRonin>	#4 = Lord Alberonn our Amiga guy
May 15 21:54:48 <LordRonin>	#8 = Wildstar
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May 15 21:54:57 <Wildstar>	DON'T forget #3
May 15 21:54:57 <RobertB>	But who is #6?
May 15 21:55:03 <RobertB>	Hi, Snog!
May 15 21:55:03 <Snogpitch>	Howdy all
May 15 21:55:06 <LordRonin>	#30 is the deputy librarian and watching this chat tonight
May 15 21:55:11 <KilrPilr>	hey snog
May 15 21:55:25 <Snogpitch>	Just got home from Blondie
May 15 21:55:27 <Wildstar>	'lo Snog
May 15 21:55:34 <RobertB>	Ah, Blondie.
May 15 21:55:43 <RobertB>	Was it a good concert?
May 15 21:55:54 <LordRonin>	Ah Robert on the old Vacuum Tube it was my NPC account. The Prisoner. On The Village it is the Guest Account
May 15 21:56:00 <Snogpitch>	it's always good when you're front row  :)
May 15 21:56:09 <LordRonin>	Hoi Snogpitch, no problems tonight with BitchX
May 15 21:56:33 <Snogpitch>	Yeah, LordRonin
May 15 21:56:35 <Wildstar>	LR, you forgot #3
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May 15 21:56:47 <RobertB>	Very good, Dave M.. It's good that you are saving that number for Patrick McGoohan!  ;-)
May 15 21:56:54 <LordRonin>	#3 =Vixen
May 15 21:56:56 <RobertB>	Hi, Proteus.
May 15 21:56:57 <Snogpitch>	Howdy Proteus!! 
May 15 21:57:00 <Proteus>	Hello.  How goes?
May 15 21:57:09 <LordRonin>	Well you know I've been a fan since 67
May 15 21:57:13 <Wildstar>	Good, Vixen might get upset.
May 15 21:57:24 <RobertB>	Wow, was it that long ago?
May 15 21:57:37 <LordRonin>	Beside Patrick is in Santa Barabar last I heard.
May 15 21:57:39 <Snogpitch>	what happened in 67
May 15 21:58:03 <RobertB>	He was a fan of the Prisoner since '67.
May 15 21:58:03 <LordRonin>	Cult TV show The Prisoner was first aired
May 15 21:58:10 <Snogpitch>	ah
May 15 21:58:29 <LordRonin>	Was a member of the "Six of One" fan club for a while.
May 15 21:58:44 <LordRonin>	And yes Robert, the font in The Villag eGreen is from the show <BG>
May 15 21:58:46 <Jim_Brain>	OK, midnight here, and I gotta get some work done (or sleep, or both)
May 15 21:58:53 <RobertB>	Bye, Jim.
May 15 21:58:59 <LordRonin>	Night Jim, thanks for the information
May 15 21:59:00 <Snogpitch>	niters Jim
May 15 21:59:12 <KilrPilr>	bye Jim
May 15 21:59:13 <Jim_Brain>	no prob.  email me if you need more information on stuff.
May 15 21:59:14 <Wildstar>	later Jim
May 15 21:59:19 <Snogpitch>	I'll be heading to sleep land soon, as soon as I wind down a bit
May 15 21:59:24 <LordRonin>	Shall do and thanks again
May 15 21:59:38 <Wildstar>	email ?
May 15 21:59:39 <LordRonin>	Yeah I must cook dinner, no one has eaten yet
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May 15 21:59:54 <RobertB>	I'm almost out of here, too, Snog.  Too much time spent last night writing my best man's speech.
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May 15 22:00:01 <Jim_Brain>	brain@jbrain.com
May 15 22:00:04 <Alan>	I'm surprised people are still here.  I was in for a while earlier.
May 15 22:00:05 <Jim_Brain>	As always
May 15 22:00:10 <Wildstar>	ok
May 15 22:00:18 <KilrPilr>	hey jim
May 15 22:00:20 <Snogpitch>	when does the speach get presented?
May 15 22:00:21 <Proteus>	'night, Jim.
May 15 22:00:27 <Jim_Brain>	yes?
May 15 22:00:28 <KilrPilr>	did you see my question to you earlier
May 15 22:00:34 <RobertB>	The informal time is wider ranging than the formal time of the chat, Alan.
May 15 22:00:35 <Jim_Brain>	no.  Scanning...
May 15 22:00:35 <Wildstar>	later
May 15 22:00:57 <KilrPilr>	where you from alan?
May 15 22:00:59 <Jim_Brain>	Aha.  Yes, I am planning to
May 15 22:01:05 <Snogpitch>	yes, you can chat in this room anytime you want...
May 15 22:01:08 <Alan>	I'm in Ohio
May 15 22:01:12 <KilrPilr>	oh ok
May 15 22:01:14 <Jim_Brain>	But, they are spread over a boatload of backups.
May 15 22:01:14 <RobertB>	Earlier today at the wedding, Snog.
May 15 22:01:30 <KilrPilr>	thanks Jim
May 15 22:01:30 *	Snogpitch lives near Cincinnati OH 
May 15 22:01:31 <RobertB>	I only had 2 1/2 hours of sleep last night.
May 15 22:01:36 <Jim_Brain>	Besides, I figured the site's been down a while, a few more months wouldn;t hurt.  
May 15 22:01:41 <Alan>	Saturday is usually a pretty lousy evening for me.  I'm a musician on weekends and nearly always have a gig.
May 15 22:01:44 <LordRonin>	Gotta split <if I can remember the command> See all of you next week.
May 15 22:01:45 <KilrPilr>	lol no i spose not
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May 15 22:01:51 <Jim_Brain>	But, I do hope to have them all up by August or so.
May 15 22:01:53 <KilrPilr>	cya LR
May 15 22:02:00 <Jim_Brain>	cya and me too.
May 15 22:02:00 <Snogpitch>	lol, guess he remembered
May 15 22:02:01 <KilrPilr>	cool
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May 15 22:02:09 <RobertB>	What do you play, Alan?
May 15 22:02:26 <Alan>	I'm  a bass player and singer
May 15 22:02:35 <JLawless>	Not to detract from the current discussion, but how often do you all meet here?
May 15 22:02:45 <Snogpitch>	every Saturday
May 15 22:02:50 <RobertB>	O.K..  Solo or in a group?
May 15 22:02:58 <Wildstar>	Officially every Saturday
May 15 22:03:03 <RobertB>	Jim, we are here every Saturday.
May 15 22:03:14 <JLawless>	Cool.  Thanks.
May 15 22:03:20 <Wildstar>	Solo, whenever you want
May 15 22:03:23 <Alan>	Group.  I'm currently in a classic-rock type band called The Detours.
May 15 22:03:29 <KilrPilr>	Jim, where you a part of an magazine produced back in the day or am I smoking to many illegal items?
May 15 22:03:38 <Snogpitch>	I don't know if solo chat would be much fun
May 15 22:03:38 <RobertB>	Next week I might be late... I have a graduation to attend.
May 15 22:04:12 <Wildstar>	well, not generally but useful for gathering info.
May 15 22:04:14 <JLawless>	I didn't write any Commodore stuff, but my work has been in a number of tech mags. ( Dr. Dobbs, Windows Developers Journal, C/C++ Users Journal, ...)
May 15 22:04:26 <KilrPilr>	oh ok
May 15 22:04:37 <JLawless>	I did a few interviews for C=Hacking. ( Jim Butterfield, Brad Templeton...)
May 15 22:04:53 <RobertB>	Ah, that's where I've seen your name before, Jim.
May 15 22:05:06 <KilrPilr>	nice!
May 15 22:05:15 <Alan>	I'm looking forward to meeting Jim Butterfield at the expo coming up.
May 15 22:05:28 <RobertB>	Jim, do you get to the VCF every year?
May 15 22:05:29 <KilrPilr>	yeah wish I could alan
May 15 22:05:29 <Snogpitch>	should I ask who Brad Templeton is?
May 15 22:05:35 <Wildstar>	Jim Butterfield, THE GURU
May 15 22:05:39 <JLawless>	Alas, no.
May 15 22:05:45 <KilrPilr>	you dont know who Brad Temp[leton is?
May 15 22:05:54 <KilrPilr>	whoaaa
May 15 22:05:56 *	Snogpitch bows his head
May 15 22:05:59 <KilrPilr>	kidding
May 15 22:06:12 <RobertB>	Ah, just wondering.  Dr. Dobbs is a sponsor of VCF.
May 15 22:06:19 <JLawless>	He wrote the PAL assembler ( was the third in the Pro-line triad with Jim Butterfield and Steve Punter ) and went on to own his own net-based message system.
May 15 22:06:45 <JLawless>	I haven't written for DDJ since '97.
May 15 22:06:47 <KilrPilr>	dont you remember the adds in some mags of the trio snog?
May 15 22:07:03 <Snogpitch>	not really, but I did hear of Punter
May 15 22:07:04 <JLawless>	Heh.  In football gear.
May 15 22:07:12 <Alan>	They're dressed up like baseball players aren't they?
May 15 22:07:13 <KilrPilr>	yeah thats it!
May 15 22:07:15 <KilrPilr>	haah
May 15 22:07:16 <Wildstar>	Even Butterfield
May 15 22:07:35 <KilrPilr>	yup with the dark underlin under their eyes
May 15 22:07:36 <Wildstar>	Jim Butterfield is a legend
May 15 22:07:37 <JLawless>	I had an interview with Punter lined up too, but C=Hacking's publishing frequency diminished. I lost the files before I could post the interview on my site.
May 15 22:08:07 <JLawless>	...and it hasn't gone to his head.
May 15 22:08:08 <Snogpitch>	thats a shame :(
May 15 22:08:35 <Wildstar>	That's the amazing thing.
May 15 22:08:48 <Alan>	I was a VIC user for several years, I thought Butterfield was some kind of super-genius.
May 15 22:08:53 <JLawless>	Y'know if you see Butterfield's posts in comp.sys.cbm, they're well-thought-out, friendly, and instructive ... just like his old articles.
May 15 22:08:59 <Wildstar>	Humble as usual but he wrote the book on C= programming.
May 15 22:09:15 <JLawless>	...and KIM-1 programming ;-)
May 15 22:09:22 <Wildstar>	That too.
May 15 22:09:24 <Alan>	I looked up to him like normal kids looked up to Michael Jordan
May 15 22:09:43 <thea1ien>	I need to get going guys....need to eat still...hope to see you guys next weekend as well as everyone at the EXPO :)
May 15 22:09:48 <Wildstar>	Me too when I was learning C= programming.
May 15 22:09:59 <RobertB>	Bye, thea1ien.
May 15 22:10:16 <Wildstar>	later, thealien
May 15 22:10:30 <KilrPilr>	cya thealien
May 15 22:10:39 <Alan>	I had some kind of machine language book by him that I used to learn ml on my VIC.
May 15 22:10:44 <Alan>	I forget the title
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May 15 22:11:24 <Alan>	Or maybe it was one of the Compute! books and Butterfield authored several of the articles.
May 15 22:11:27 <Snogpitch>	well folks, I'm calling it a nite
May 15 22:11:41 <Alan>	Bye
May 15 22:11:44 <Wildstar>	Ok, you'll get a copy of my archive
May 15 22:11:47 <Snogpitch>	probably will be dreaming of Blondie  :)
May 15 22:12:00 <Snogpitch>	niters all
May 15 22:12:13 <RobertB>	Bye, Snog.
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May 15 22:12:24 <JLawless>	I gotta go too.  I'll be back at the *beginning* of the chat next week.
May 15 22:12:30 <RobertB>	Bye, Jim.
May 15 22:12:32 <JLawless>	SYS 64738
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May 15 22:12:34 <KilrPilr>	cya snog, Ji,m
May 15 22:12:40 <Alan>	The room clears.
May 15 22:12:48 <hodo>	byeee
May 15 22:13:05 <KilrPilr>	Both jims are gurus wouldnt you say?
May 15 22:13:11 <RobertB>	Yes, I should go, too.  The effects of little sleep are now affecting.
May 15 22:13:12 <Wildstar>	Screen turns blue with the text on top
May 15 22:13:18 <Wildstar>	yep
May 15 22:13:25 <RobertB>	Yes, Kilr, both gurus.
May 15 22:13:32 <Wildstar>	ANOTHER SYS64738
May 15 22:13:32 <KilrPilr>	thats what I thought
May 15 22:13:40 <KilrPilr>	cya wild*
May 15 22:13:49 <Wildstar>	Not gone yet
May 15 22:13:53 <RobertB>	Bye, everybody.  Until next Saturday.
May 15 22:14:00 <Alan>	Bye Robert
May 15 22:14:00 <KilrPilr>	cya Robert
May 15 22:14:03 <Wildstar>	resetting for RobertB
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May 15 22:14:36 <Alan>	It's an exodus
May 15 22:14:46 <Wildstar>	yeah.
May 15 22:14:56 <KilrPilr>	What was the most amount of people in here tonight wild*
May 15 22:15:41 <Wildstar>	I haven't exactly counted but I would say there was 15-18 at one time
May 15 22:15:44 <Alan>	I've got the tv on, watching a Beavis and Butthead marathon.  I can't make myself turn it off and go to bed.
May 15 22:16:06 <KilrPilr>	lol
May 15 22:16:17 <Alan>	I miss that show.
May 15 22:16:25 <KilrPilr>	well i got to go say goodnight to the kids
May 15 22:16:27 <KilrPilr>	brb
May 15 22:16:43 <Wildstar>	Get the kids to sleep.
May 15 22:16:55 <Proteus>	I should head out, been up too long as it is.
May 15 22:16:57 <Proteus>	'night, folks.
May 15 22:17:09 <Alan>	Mine are gone for the weekend.
May 15 22:17:09 <Wildstar>	night Proteus
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May 15 22:17:45 <Alan>	No kids, no gig, my wife is asleep on the couch.
May 15 22:17:48 <Wildstar>	Yah
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May 15 22:18:17 <Alan>	Beavis and Butthead in the background.  Perfect Saturday night,
May 15 22:18:39 <Wildstar>	I got SPEED in the background
May 15 22:18:51 <Alan>	The movie or the drug?
May 15 22:19:12 <Wildstar>	the movie. If it was the drug - it be in me
May 15 22:19:22 <Wildstar>	Just kiddin'
May 15 22:19:33 <Wildstar>	Yes, its the movie
May 15 22:19:38 <Alan>	Ha
May 15 22:20:18 <Alan>	So, are you able to go to the Louisville expo in a couple weeks?
May 15 22:21:01 <Wildstar>	Nope
May 15 22:21:19 <Alan>	Where are you located?
May 15 22:21:22 <Wildstar>	I have several things going on
May 15 22:21:28 <Wildstar>	In Astoria, Oregon
May 15 22:21:47 <Alan>	Bit of a trip.  I just live a few hours away.
May 15 22:22:08 <Wildstar>	Due to the tight schedule, I would have to have an Aurora
May 15 22:22:33 <Caricon>	I'm going.
May 15 22:22:53 <Wildstar>	I basically would need a craft like that and get back.
May 15 22:22:59 <Alan>	Cool.  How long a trip is it for you, Caricon
May 15 22:23:04 <Caricon>	Found out today another person from our user group is going to the expo too.
May 15 22:23:10 <Wildstar>	Mach 7
May 15 22:23:13 <Caricon>	About 5 hours drive is all.
May 15 22:23:36 <Alan>	That's about the same as me.  I'm in Portsmouth Ohio.
May 15 22:23:51 <Caricon>	I'm in Convoy OH.
May 15 22:24:08 <Caricon>	just got back from out Amiga User Group meeting.
May 15 22:24:12 <Alan>	Convoy, not familiar with that.
May 15 22:24:16 <Caricon>	out=our
May 15 22:24:29 <Caricon>	30 miles west of Lima OH
May 15 22:24:32 <Alan>	What part of the state is Convoy in?
May 15 22:24:43 <Alan>	I know where Lima is
May 15 22:25:04 <Alan>	I wish there was a user group around here.
May 15 22:25:47 <Caricon>	I goto Dayton OH for our user group.
May 15 22:26:43 <Wildstar>	It's amazing that there is so many C= groups in the midwest
May 15 22:27:24 <Alan>	That's because the midwest is awesome
May 15 22:27:46 <Wildstar>	Well, the Northwest is cool.
May 15 22:27:51 <Caricon>	We had a couple of nice demos today.  One Pegasus II board running Morph OS, and a demo of AROS
May 15 22:28:18 <Wildstar>	Funny thing, we have a user's group in Astoria, Oregon
May 15 22:28:28 <Wildstar>	Lord Ronin is the head of the ACUG
May 15 22:28:35 <Wildstar>	in Astoria
May 15 22:29:27 <Alan>	OHIO: Where the men are men, and the sheep are nervous
May 15 22:29:33 <Caricon>	We have Eric Schwartz in our user group.
May 15 22:30:05 <Wildstar>	Well, Oregon - the land of the ducks
May 15 22:30:28 <Wildstar>	You must live like a duck to get the duck.
May 15 22:30:40 <Alan>	We have ducks too.  Damn fine ones.
May 15 22:30:42 <Wildstar>	Rain all the time
May 15 22:31:03 <Wildstar>	We got them and the goose and the deers
May 15 22:31:19 <Alan>	Sounds just like Ohio.
May 15 22:31:23 <Wildstar>	Basically, get out of Astoria and your in the woods.
May 15 22:31:36 <Wildstar>	That's Astoria. Ok - we got TREEs.
May 15 22:32:02 <Wildstar>	BIG trees
May 15 22:32:26 <Alan>	I'm in a fairly rural part of Ohio.
May 15 22:32:32 <Caricon>	Not many trees here, mostly all farm land.
May 15 22:32:55 <Alan>	Lots of woods, not many jobs.
May 15 22:33:18 <Alan>	Lots of pot, though.
May 15 22:33:38 <Wildstar>	Lots of woods, not many jobs - ASTORIA
May 15 22:34:29 <Alan>	What's the population of Astoria?
May 15 22:35:15 <Wildstar>	Roughly between 9,500-10,000
May 15 22:36:04 <Wildstar>	County about 35,000
May 15 22:36:20 <Alan>	That's smaller than Portsmouth,  the nearest "town."  It's in the 12-15,000 range.  And getting smaller, poorer and louisier every day.
May 15 22:36:32 <Wildstar>	About 1.5 hours from Portland
May 15 22:37:02 <Alan>	County about 80k here.
May 15 22:37:04 <Wildstar>	Astoria getting smaller
May 15 22:37:25 <Wildstar>	Astoria getting poorer.
May 15 22:37:40 <Alan>	Sounds like we could be sister-cities
May 15 22:37:54 <Wildstar>	Ok, we might have a break finally with the "Ring 2" movie being filmed in Astoria
May 15 22:38:19 <Wildstar>	Well, true. We have 100+ year old buildings throughout.
May 15 22:38:33 <Wildstar>	Believe it or not - Goonies was filmed in Astoria
May 15 22:38:55 <Wildstar>	Many of the footage of the town in Goonies was Astoria
May 15 22:39:16 <Wildstar>	That is the benefit - we got from time to time.
May 15 22:39:26 <Alan>	The '80s movie "Mischief" was filmed about an hour from here
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May 15 22:40:17 <Wildstar>	Hehehe - oh Kindergarten Cop was filmed in Astoria. The elementry school was Astor Elementry School on the east end of town
May 15 22:40:31 <Alan>	That's pretty neat.
May 15 22:40:54 <Alan>	What do you do for a living in Astoria?
May 15 22:41:15 <Wildstar>	We have plenty of neat things. What Astoria has is the Columbia River.
May 15 22:41:49 <Wildstar>	Well, currently mixture of things. Mainly taking some college classes at the local community college.
May 15 22:42:08 <Alan>	We're right on the Ohio River.  About 5 miles from my house.
May 15 22:42:35 <Wildstar>	Funny, we are all - right there even with our own Rivers
May 15 22:43:00 <Wildstar>	You got the Ohio and I got the Columbia.
May 15 22:43:40 <Alan>	We have a lot of nice state parks nearby.  I imagine you do too.
May 15 22:43:45 <Wildstar>	What is cute is 1.5 hours to the east on the road and I'll be in Jeri's town
May 15 22:44:08 <Wildstar>	We have around such.
May 15 22:44:45 <Wildstar>	We have alot of protected woods and throughout the state such.
May 15 22:45:19 <Wildstar>	In Oregon, there is even "Crater Lake" I believe.
May 15 22:45:34 <Alan>	I live in a neighborhood called Tanglewood.  
May 15 22:45:57 <Wildstar>	Hmmm... 
May 15 22:46:23 <Wildstar>	interesting name.
May 15 22:46:34 <Wildstar>	We got "tangle brush"
May 15 22:46:44 <Alan>	I like it here.  Very pretty.  And low cost of living.
May 15 22:47:04 <Wildstar>	For the most part, the same is here.
May 15 22:47:28 <Wildstar>	Well, the buildings can be costly from time to time.
May 15 22:47:36 <Wildstar>	(upkeep)
May 15 22:47:50 <Wildstar>	But it's nothing like New York
May 15 22:48:06 <Alan>	I've visited New York.  Not impressed.
May 15 22:48:20 <Alan>	Well, I was impressed, of course.
May 15 22:48:28 <Alan>	But I couldn't imagine living there.
May 15 22:48:29 <Wildstar>	I onced lived in Los Angeles
May 15 22:48:59 <Wildstar>	area
May 15 22:49:05 <Alan>	I've been to LA a few times too.  It's beautiful, I understand people wanting to live there.
May 15 22:49:18 <Alan>	But New York is dirty, smelly and crowded
May 15 22:49:32 <Alan>	New York City, that is
May 15 22:49:42 <Wildstar>	Beutiful in ways but LA can be dangerous
May 15 22:50:02 <Wildstar>	Nice weather conditions
May 15 22:50:20 <Alan>	My brother was living in Malibu during the big quake about 10 years ago
May 15 22:50:24 <Wildstar>	Smog is a condition considerably higher than Astoria
May 15 22:50:48 <Wildstar>	I was still living there when Northridge quake happened
May 15 22:51:12 <Alan>	Is that the one I'm talking about?  About 10 years ago when the freeways collapsed, etc?
May 15 22:51:56 <Wildstar>	Yep. Landers was a couple years earlier and was out in the desert. Northridge was in norther Los Angeles area.
May 15 22:52:12 <Wildstar>	Landers was bigger but way out in the desert.
May 15 22:52:33 <Wildstar>	Northridge was around 6.x where Landers was 7.2
May 15 22:52:35 <Alan>	It's funny.  In Ohio,  we had a huge blizzard the same day.  I remember my brother calling me.
May 15 22:52:50 <Wildstar>	Hehehe.
May 15 22:53:44 <Alan>	We had an ice storm here last winter that was unbelievable.  Killed a bunch of people, destroyed homes, radio towers, etc.
May 15 22:54:22 <Wildstar>	Yeah... lucky we haven't had too much in my area
May 15 22:54:38 <Alan>	We were without power for over a week
May 15 22:54:52 <Wildstar>	Been there.
May 15 22:55:15 <Wildstar>	What a pain
May 15 22:55:26 <Alan>	Fortunately, we had a kerosene heater.  A lot of our friends didn't so our house became a shelter for a week.
May 15 22:56:08 <Wildstar>	Well, we have forced air heating and a chimeny. Got paper and wood ??? Hehehe
May 15 22:57:05 <Alan>	We put in a propane fireplace this year.
May 15 22:57:17 <Alan>	Never going through that again.
May 15 22:58:36 <Wildstar>	Believe it or not, when I first moved up here before we had all the stuff, I was having to sleep in sub-zero temperature with zero heating and just a small towel for a blanket
May 15 22:58:53 <Wildstar>	What a joke that was.
May 15 22:59:06 <Alan>	haha.  What part of you did you cover with the towel?
May 15 22:59:44 <Wildstar>	I wonder it it was worth the effort to use. Keep clothes on.
May 15 23:00:15 <Alan>	Well, it's 2AM in glorious Ohio.  Time to go to bed..  Take care.
May 15 23:00:23 <Wildstar>	take care
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May 15 23:04:12 <Wildstar>	Eh, KilrPilr - still there ?
May 15 23:10:30 <KilrPilr>	hey wild*
May 15 23:10:37 <KilrPilr>	just got back
May 15 23:10:42 <KilrPilr>	had something to eat
May 15 23:10:49 <Wildstar>	ok
May 15 23:11:13 <Wildstar>	So how is things where you live
May 15 23:14:44 <KilrPilr>	good
May 15 23:14:53 <KilrPilr>	sorry I was just reading previous stuff
May 15 23:15:27 <Wildstar>	fine, ok - you might have a little laugh here and there
May 15 23:15:51 <KilrPilr>	yeah its good
May 15 23:16:04 <KilrPilr>	well i gues its time to play some games
May 15 23:16:21 <Wildstar>	ok take care
May 15 23:16:23 <KilrPilr>	online games that is
May 15 23:16:39 <KilrPilr>	cya next week Rick
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May 15 23:17:31 <Wildstar>	ok
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May 15 23:53:11 <madmax>	hi everyone
May 15 23:55:19 <Wildstar>	'lo madmax
May 15 23:55:33 <madmax>	wow, someone is still awake! 
May 15 23:55:48 <Wildstar>	yeah for a little bit
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May 15 23:56:08 <madmax>	i was hoping to see the chat tonight but got my timezones mixed up, oh well
May 15 23:56:19 <Wildstar>	Even the bots go to sleep.
May 15 23:56:35 <madmax>	yeah guess he's had a busy night
May 15 23:56:58 <madmax>	was the chat good earlier?
May 15 23:57:02 <Wildstar>	Well, the official chat starts about 6 hours earlier. As it is about 11:56PM in my time
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May 15 23:57:38 <Wildstar>	Well it was fairly well. Quite a bit of topics
May 15 23:57:39 <madmax>	it's 5:00pm Sunday here in Australia
May 15 23:58:06 <madmax>	which means it starts around 10am Australian time
May 15 23:58:10 <Wildstar>	Say, 11:00am your time each Sunday
May 15 23:58:34 <madmax>	i'll have to check the web site out for the transcripts
May 15 23:59:06 <Wildstar>	It starts at 6:00pm Pacific coast US time (6pm in California)
May 15 23:59:50 <Wildstar>	It is reaching 12:00 AM Sunday.
May 16 00:00:00 <Wildstar>	Where I am at
May 16 00:00:14 <madmax>	ahhh, nearly bed time huh
May 16 00:00:20 <Wildstar>	It started 6 hours ago.
May 16 00:00:29 <Wildstar>	Yeah
May 16 00:00:47 <madmax>	yeah i figured that out with the help of the www.time.gov website :)
May 16 00:01:15 <Wildstar>	Which would be 11:00 AM Sundays in your area
May 16 00:01:34 <Wildstar>	when the chat starts
May 16 00:01:35 <madmax>	yeap, next time i'll know, now i just have to remember, heh
May 16 00:01:42 <Wildstar>	Ok.
May 16 00:02:25 <Wildstar>	Officially it goes for 3 hours. But often 4 to 5 hours
May 16 00:02:41 <madmax>	any news on the C1 ?
May 16 00:03:09 <Wildstar>	Well, all I can say it is still under development. Jeri was on earlier.
May 16 00:03:40 <Wildstar>	She is planning on attending the LUCKI C= show in Lousisvill/New Albany
May 16 00:03:51 <madmax>	*sigh*, i hate the waiting, but i know it'll be worth it
May 16 00:04:51 <Wildstar>	For the most part, she has to work part of her time and only has a few hours here and there. She spends her spare time working on it.
May 16 00:06:10 <Wildstar>	Note: The development of the C-One is not paying the bills.
May 16 00:06:14 <madmax>	yeah, thats fair enough, can't wait for it when its ready. 
May 16 00:06:20 <Wildstar>	Ok.
May 16 00:07:08 <Wildstar>	Next week - Sunday 11:00 AM for you.
May 16 00:07:16 <madmax>	yeap :)
May 16 00:08:04 <Wildstar>	I'll be going off the keyboard in a bit but will leave the computer to continue archiving the message over the night.
May 16 00:08:25 <madmax>	i'm going too, other things to do
May 16 00:08:28 <madmax>	nice chatting
May 16 00:08:29 <madmax>	see ya
May 16 00:08:39 <Wildstar>	you too
May 16 00:08:42 <madmax>	bye
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May 16 00:57:01 <JavaUser>	yo!
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