Start of #c64friends buffer: Sat May 08 21:01:53 2004 [21:01] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:01] * Topic is 'ALL HAIL TO COMMODORE! We Adore Our C-64!!' [21:01] * Set by ChanServ!chanserv@services.newnet.net on Sat May 08 12:46:10 [21:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Snogpitch [21:01] -ChanServ- Visit our webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/c64friends [21:01] Howdy all [21:01] hallo [21:01] HEY! the main man! [21:01] I'm in Ohio. [21:02] Hey, me too! Maybe you're buying all my Atari carts! [21:02] * Snogpitch lives near Cincinnati Ohio [21:02] what kinds of atari carts? [21:02] Heya Snogpitch. [21:02] I so forget how to use mirc. [21:02] I don't have any. [21:03] not much to know about mirc, really [21:03] I was just commenting on how classic 8-bit stuff seems to be totally disappearing from the local fleas in my area. [21:03] just type in the box and it's all there is to it [21:03] Ha, I remember that part! [21:03] It's a start :) [21:03] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [21:04] Howdy CDKaiser [21:04] Evening, all [21:04] Hey, CDKaiser :) [21:04] How late does this thing usually go on? The chat, that is? [21:04] Hello CDKaiser [21:04] until everyone decides to leave [21:04] Evening, Pna, Jorge ^^ [21:04] and Snog, too [21:04] Hallo Cameron [21:05] official times are 9-midnite [21:05] Hello, Rick. [21:05] Everybody knows me. :-) [21:05] Cool. I must check out for dinner. I hope I can get back on later. Nice meeting everyone... [21:05] so that gives you 3 hours of chat [21:05] Anyone seen Robert or Todd yet? [21:05] Take care, Alan. [21:05] I don't know you. [21:05] i think this is my first time here.... [21:05] Robert said he had a bachelor party of some kind to go to tonight [21:05] Robert was on earlier, had to head out for his tux fitting :) [21:06] those crazy Fresno guys ^^ [21:06] Heh :) [21:06] cameron kaiser....where do i know that name from? *shrug* [21:06] ya, who would want to party on a Saturday? [21:06] * Alan (~yeahright@67.129.209.204) Quit [21:06] Groepaz ... strangest thing [21:06] doesn't sound like a c64hacker at all ;) [21:06] lol [21:06] could be... :) [21:06] i am getting my first working c64 this upcoming week from a dave ross who is in chicago. [21:07] They were on earlier but I was busy at the local middle school today because that was where they were doing the application stuff for "Extras" for the Ring 2 movie. [21:07] are you from Chicago, dracosilv? [21:07] Dave Ross ... good guy, draco. [21:07] Say hi to him from "us". [21:07] CDKaiser: have you dont some C=Hacking stuff by any chance? :) [21:07] done even [21:07] err [21:07] keep meaning to ... never quite get around to it ;) [21:08] i know. i also got a printer interface (bonus), a power supply and a video cable. [21:08] i am planning to give him a gift certificate for his efforts. [21:08] :) [21:08] are you from Chicago, dracosilv? [21:08] (odd, I thought I had a man page for irc somewhere) [21:09] oh oh, I hear an ice cream truck outside :9 [21:09] not chicago, Kenosha Wisconsin. (SE corner) [21:09] ice cream....now thats a great idea :) [21:10] unfortunately, the truck is going away, not coming closer :( [21:10] maybe you'll catch it on a return trip... [21:10] dracosilv, have you heard about SWRAP? a group from Chicago? [21:11] They put on the Fall Commodore Expos [21:11] yep. can't visit the meetings, since my parents won't allow me to chicago, but i think i might persuade them to let me go to the fall expo... [21:11] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [21:12] Howdy LordRonin [21:12] hello, Ronin. [21:12] * Jerz0r (~Jeri@4.14.108.45) has joined #c64friends [21:12] Howdy Jerz0r! [21:12] Howdy [21:12] hello, J [21:13] Yay! Expo soon. Yeah!! [21:13] what made you decide to get a C64 after all these years, dracosilv? [21:13] Bit of a lag, but howdy allo. I made it with the help of TIFCU [21:13] yea LordRonin :) [21:13] -> [LordRonin] PING [21:13] the transpacific link can definitely be a drag. ^^ [21:13] Been a few years since I did IRC. [21:14] only 2 secs from me, LordRonin... [21:14] FWIW just did a report for Scene World on this IRC. [21:14] anything under 10 seconds I consider acceptable lag [21:14] well my dad had a vic, but it bit the dust after an incident with a 120vac signal going into the 10vac port (which is just like the power supply for radios) [21:14] that's from you to videocam, though, Snog -- he's connecting from the USA, so he'll have that plus whatever his connect lag is [21:14] i still have the cassette deck tho. [21:14] Yeah on west coast USA to VCS and back again [21:14] Haha.. bzzzzzz...fry...smoke!! [21:14] right. [21:15] * CDKaiser grins @ Jerz ... what an unpleasant thought. [21:15] ouch, dracosilv :( [21:15] Wow, people :) [21:15] and i recently got a c64 from a rummage sale along with a c128, the c64 didn't work, but the 128... unknown... [21:15] So then who else is here on a real C=?? [21:15] * Jerz0r likes the smell of burnt silicon. [21:15] hey i was young at the time... -_- [21:15] didn't know what i was doing... [21:15] Alas, I have to admit that I'm on my dual G4 right now *sheepish*. [21:15] I wish I would.... [21:15] I'm on here with my Amiga. [21:16] C=128D with Waave for me [21:16] Hey Caricon, what Amgia model? [21:16] i'm on a p2-400 mhz pc... but i have a 1541 drive here in my house with a x1541 cable... [21:16] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Client Quit) [21:16] Houston, we have a problem... [21:16] ooops, we lost the lord :( [21:17] Hello Jei [21:17] Jeri [21:17] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [21:17] Amiga 4000 [21:17] wb LordRonin [21:17] and he's back.... [21:17] lo' LR [21:17] Lost connection for some reason?? [21:18] LordRonin, it said client quit [21:18] Caricon, do you any place for the cables for the internal drive on a 4000? [21:18] I did read your message last week. I had archiving [21:18] activated [21:18] Hoi #8 [21:18] This A4000 is hacked into a Packerd Bell Mini Tower [21:18] * LordRonin reminds #8 about his character for the BBS [21:18] I had your messages archived. [21:19] My son needs the cable and hopefully not a chip to make the interal work on his 4000PT [21:19] cool [21:19] I have contacted the people on the PS/2 mouse adaptor for C= [21:19] Hey #8 I didn't know I was that good of a writer to be archieved [21:19] I also have a C-128D. [21:19] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Client Quit) [21:19] he needs to stop hittin the quit button :) [21:20] lol [21:20] I only have a C64.. no floppy drives, no monitor, only 1 game [21:20] wonder what is causing that? [21:20] Sir_Paul, you use a TV? [21:20] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [21:20] maybe it's timing out... or some wierd glitch in the program. [21:20] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE0004e289e6d6-CM000a73664c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:21] wb, yet again LordRonin [21:21] Howdy MikeC [21:21] i concur. [21:21] Hi Guys... [21:21] Hoi MikeC. [21:21] Hi Mike [21:21] yeah.. but I have to use an RF modulator from my Nintendo, which doesn't give out the best quality [21:21] I have a C-128D that I am looking at picking up for you LR [21:21] Yeah dropped out again. [21:21] VERY fuzzy [21:21] If it happens again I'll try something other than BitchX [21:22] well, if it works for you paul, then good, but try to get a commodore monitor if you can. [21:22] Hallo MikeC [21:22] I'll have to take a look around to see if I have an extra cable for an internal floppy drive for the A4000 [21:22] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE0004e289e6d6-CM000a73664c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:22] That sounds good #8. [21:22] ooops, now it's MikeC.. [21:22] I am looking for one [21:22] i got mine after a neighbor threw it out after a rummage sale, and i rescued it. [21:22] That would be much appreciated Caricon. [21:22] So things are in process. [21:23] I'm at least looking for a halfway decent RF switch [21:23] I'll have it shipped directly to you. [21:23] Lost what you were saying #8 about the protovision part. [21:23] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Client Quit) [21:23] Doesn't radio shack still sell RF switches? [21:23] * C64er (~n8ie@cpe-024-033-151-250.woh.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [21:23] * MikeC (~MikeC@CPE0004e289e6d6-CM000a73664c3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #c64friends [21:23] THERE WE GO AGAIN! [21:23] Hoi all! [21:23] Howdy C64er [21:23] it's like 2 minutes after he logs in, he glitches out! [21:23] yeah, but the nearest one is 10 miles away, and I don't drive [21:23] hello c64er. [21:24] Hi C64er [21:24] 10 miles is a long walk [21:24] welcome to the chat. [21:24] I have contacted them and they had me contact the Modernity Group (Greg Nacu) so that I can pick it up from a more local source. [21:24] So I'll pick it up from them which is the same unit. [21:24] * C64Ronin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) has joined #c64friends [21:24] Ronin, hoi mate! [21:24] welcome back LordRonin er.. c64ronin... [21:25] hehehe [21:25] * Sir_Paul duct tapes C64Ronin to the channel [21:25] Using the stock IRC from my old account. [21:25] Better be the high quality stuff [21:25] * C64Ronin is now known as LordRonin [21:25] Damn it is good to have that TIFCU book [21:25] Yes, it's a wonderful resource [21:26] Hoi C64er [21:26] BTW: It worked the last time [21:26] I've been told that's a good book. [21:26] I used to recommend TIFCU to people all the time [21:26] Hey Jeri, whats up [21:26] C64er, are you from around Dayton? [21:26] Not much. Working on some schematics for work. [21:26] now that it's no longer being distributed, kind of hard to find it [21:27] My TIFCU is well used these days. [21:27] Too bad they don't just make an etext out of it because of that. [21:27] Caricon, yes I am [21:27] sounds cool [21:27] Are u? [21:27] Ok. Hope it works out. I'll talk to you on a few things in private later. [21:28] I mentioned a while ago that I'm part of the Dayton Amitech User group, and someone said you were from that area. [21:28] OK #8, may take me a moment to find out how to reply again to private in IRC. [21:28] its /msg [21:28] Don't worry, just type it [21:28] I am a member (kinda LOL) I joined last fall. [21:28] after /msg then the sentence you want to say [21:28] * _sknight_ (~sknight@200-148-24-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #c64friends [21:28] Only went to one meeting. [21:28] Howdy _sknight_ [21:28] Thanks Snogpitch was hunting in the book just then. ;-? [21:28] oh [21:28] welcome _sknight_ [21:29] Hoi sknight [21:29] <_sknight_> re all [21:29] maybe we met then. [21:29] Might have [21:29] I better get going.. I hope to see you all later [21:29] Name is Dan [21:29] Hoi sknight, did you used to run the TSBBS?? [21:29] * Sir_Paul (~Whatever@adsl-66-122-16-208.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) Quit [21:29] oops /msg nickname then what you need to say... [21:29] <_sknight_> No, I suppose it's another "sknight"... [21:29] forgot that one important part :/ [21:30] Well [21:30] nickname being the person you need to have a private message sent to [21:31] Brb, gotta get the mutts calmed down..... [21:31] maybe the mutts want on the computer? [21:32] Hey been on several minutes and no disconnect!! [21:32] I remember an old chatting buddy used to have a cat that would sit on the monitor and occasionally tap on the keyboard [21:32] so far so good, LordRonin, don't jinx it [21:32] yeah lordronin... you were logging in, and then 2 minutes later, logging out. [21:33] Well Snogpitch I so far have the private worked out and still on [21:33] The BitchX was dropping then trying to connect through an entire list of servers. All banned full of bots. [21:33] what did you do different this time? [21:34] Hang tight #8 have reply shortly. [21:34] all were banned because of bots? [21:34] Well i quite and from my shell just typed IRC. Found that was still active last week. [21:34] that rips. [21:34] Yeh dracosilv that is the coloured msg that appeard on the screen. Followed by servers exhausted. [21:35] me myself i'm using mirc, and no problems. [21:35] Good night everybody. It's been my first time here, see you next week. [21:35] i've actually been on since like 5 pm CST [21:35] what kind of irc program does the Amiga use? [21:35] niters JorgeArg [21:35] AmIRC. [21:35] well welcome jorgearg. enjoy. [21:35] * JorgeArg (~JorgeArg@200.32.115.187) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:35] BCNU JorgeArg [21:36] * Snogpitch slaps forehead [21:36] oops... [21:36] sorry. [21:36] is that one pretty popular with the Amiga community? [21:36] <_sknight_> AmiRC rulez :-) [21:37] yes, actually from what I hear, compared to the "other" computers, such as PC and Mac, it's the best IRC program out there. [21:37] I've never owned an Amiga, so I'm kind of "Amiga challenged" [21:38] Has anyone done anything with the micq in the unix shell? [21:38] I'm using Chatzilla (Mozilla) and it's pretty good. [21:38] * Jerz0r needs to go play pinball tonight. [21:38] Enjoy Jeri [21:38] pinball! [21:38] Yum for pinball. [21:38] Snogpitch I have a 1200 and a CD/TV. But I still use the C= 99% of the time. [21:38] I remember seeing a writeup on Videocam about icq on a unix shell [21:38] Her weekend fun [21:38] I've been addicted to 8ball champ. [21:38] She needs it. [21:39] a luxury item I've promised myself one day is a pinball machine, and not a crap beat-a-silverball version either. [21:39] hehehe, gotta love addictions :) [21:39] Snogpitch, well I set it up from an old mag. Mislaid the mag and my settings :-( [21:39] well i got the best one... COMPUTERS! [21:39] A pinball machine in the house is always a welcome addition :) [21:40] Showing my age, I rember 5 balls for a dime. [21:40] What game would you get CDKaiser? [21:40] *thinks* [21:40] Stern makes some very nice units these days [21:40] you ever play those jumbo size pinball machines? Where the ball was the size of a baseball? [21:40] Getting old LR. :-) [21:40] a few months back I was playing an Elvira pinball game [21:40] The NBA unit I've seen (I think it was an old Midway) is a nice one also [21:40] Yeah Wildstar, but won't grow up!! [21:41] Old but never grow up, that's you. [21:41] I spent a lot of quarters on Haunted house, a three level board [21:41] I wanna an Adams Family. [21:41] I've seen those -- haven't played one personally [21:41] I've got a friend who has the Addams Family machine... :) [21:41] You have to try it someday! [21:41] Hey Jeri, pop by the Arcade in Seaside. They have a ollection for sale. [21:42] It's been like 25 years since I've seen those jumbo size pinball machines. [21:42] PPnacolada. Does he wanna sell it? [21:42] They were a pain to work upon!! [21:42] I doubt it, Jeri :) [21:42] Yep, and our friend Mahtzoid would be there. [21:42] I've never played a jumbo pinball. :( [21:42] What types, Ronin? old Gottliebs and stuff like that? [21:43] Got to show up to Seaside on a Monday. [21:43] * LordRonin dusting off the memory. Yeah I think so, I worked as tech for a few arcades in late 70s [21:43] I remember playing a Gottlieb sometime when I was in Flagstaff [21:43] http://cbm.videocam.net.au/micq.php is the writeup for icq @ homestead [21:44] Jeri, I stop by before my class in Seaside often. [21:44] Haunted house was a good. (Gottlieb I think) [21:44] I don't remember what this one was -- it was yellow and blue and had the old dial score [21:44] Many thanks for that intel Snogpitch [21:44] Well to the end of the school year probably. [21:45] One of my fav pinball machines I played in my college days I remember had curved paddles [21:46] I never was good at Haunted House. Till after about $30 in quarters [21:46] My memory says the name of the game was Time Warp, but I'm not sure if that was right [21:46] In seaside, they have a Lord of the Rings pinball. [21:46] The one I played a lot, can't remember the name. Electronic and was a cop theme. [21:46] switching rc files, back in a flash [21:46] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:46] rc files? [21:47] Was in the bar and I was the tech for it. Changed to the Euro siren. Freaked people with that change. [21:47] switching accounts I guess [21:47] One time on my C64, the 6526 chip went out. Lost most of the keyboard, but the side keys still worked. I sat and played that one pinball game on there for hours untill I got a new 6526 chip in the mail. [21:47] i dunno. [21:47] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6c-223.miamfl.adelphia.net) has joined #c64friends [21:47] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [21:47] Hallo Eyeth [21:47] Hello, all. [21:47] Howdy Eyeth [21:47] Hello, Cameron. [21:47] Blah, didn't work. [21:47] Hoi eyeth [21:47] Todd! [21:47] wb CDKaiser, btw, what's an rc file? [21:47] yeah. [21:47] I've got a bunch of TIFF's to send your way. A couple of MB's. Can you do DCC and do you have a broadband connection? [21:48] I'm trying to tweak ircII so that it's a bit nicer ^^ [21:48] me, Todd? [21:48] Nice turnout. [21:48] Yeah, you, CDKaiser. [21:48] <_sknight_> Hi Eyeth [21:48] Is Robert here tonight? [21:48] yes, it's broadband. I dunno about the dcc -- try connecting and see [21:48] Robert is not here [21:48] he's doing the bachelor party gig [21:49] I'll have to e-mail him later. He was helping me re-learn IRC [21:49] CDKaiser- Ok, I'll send one file for a test. [21:49] Last week he told me he would be at a Bill shatner thing. [21:49] Yep, that was last week [21:49] Anyone know how big this Lucky C= expo is going to be. Like how many tables or things set up? [21:49] Bill Shatner's bachelor party, huh? [21:49] Snogpitch is the other main guy or is the main fellow. [21:49] CDKaiser- Heh. [21:49] 50 has usually been the turnout [21:50] Yeah Rpbert informed me of that one [21:50] BTW Snogpitch, the post office mangled your last newsletter to us. [21:50] As well as the one from Infinite Loop and MACUG. [21:50] Some sort of conspiracy against C= newsletters? [21:50] OK, I'll let the newsletter guy know to send you another [21:51] They keep mangling the newsletter [21:51] as far as conspiracy....our local postmasters do read them :) [21:51] The Lucky C= EXPO sounds to be a good one, turnout-wise. Already, Jeri reports of Laurence Hiler of Fast Hackem fame going and Seth Sternberger of SID music going as well. [21:51] Just the ones that came in last month. [21:51] hmm [21:51] doesn't seem to be working, Eyeth [21:51] mail 'em ^^ [21:51] Fast Hack'em.... hmmmm [21:51] Hope to meet Lawerence some day. Heard he was an original member of our U.G. [21:51] got that one [21:52] Me and my wife plan on going so thought I would see what to expect. [21:52] I do need to get a proper IRC client anyway -- I'm just using irc2.8.2 on my server at the moment [21:52] Wish I could go, but no transport of funds. Lost the fed housing assist. [21:52] Linux server, CDKaiser? [21:52] CDKaiser- The total TIFF/PNG archive is 24Mb. Can I send that via email? I'll try compressing it first, though. [21:52] heck no. AIX. ^^ [21:53] yes, if you send it direct. don't send it to ckaiser@, because the secretary robot will complain [21:53] actually, I don't run Linux at all here, it's an amalgam of AIX, NetBSD and Mac OS X [21:53] You have a secretary bot to check your email? Heck, I need a secretary in real life. :) [21:54] Ok, just give me an email address and I'll zip it up and send it your way. [21:54] real life? what's that? [21:54] uuuh.... i just got a mail, and roadrunner didn't detect a virus in it, yet it was one of those fake microsoft web update thingies... *worries* [21:54] open question, has anyone here worked with Computer Eyes? [21:55] I've seen Computer Eyes, never owned it [21:55] never played with it either [21:55] * Sentient (tiajrclkxg@ACA0CC6E.ipt.aol.com) has joined #c64friends [21:55] greetings! [21:55] Howdy Sentient [21:56] Traded an IDE64 for one and a camera. Been playing with it. But hunting for the software for PS, Newsroom and PM+ [21:56] dracosilv: Could be a corrupt sample of a virus. Who knows. :) [21:56] Hoi Sentient [21:56] have you heard of the new commodore console that Tulip may be coming out with? [21:56] Yep [21:56] Yes. [21:56] more like a joystick, Sentient [21:56] Unfortunately :P [21:57] any news if it'll be released in north america? [21:57] IS this that direct to tv thing? [21:57] i just deleted it, yet i couldn't open it anyways pnacolada, because my outlook express won't let me look at attachments. [21:57] yup, LR. [21:57] The Tulip site indicates it and they are doing things. [21:57] yes, the direct to tv [21:57] Scanned the info posted about it on c.s.c [21:58] 22 pound cat wants on the keyboard :-( [21:58] Direct to tv looks k3wl. [21:58] It is not "the C64" but is something like the C64GS was marketed to be. A game console and so is it. [21:58] I had to talk myself out of the Atari 2600 joystick, but the C64 joystick will be hard to talk myself out of [21:59] Sounded OK, wish they had the Forgotten Realms series on it [21:59] they should come out with a new c64 with 64 bits rather than 8 bits -- 64 in c64 representing the 64 bits --> i had this idea since the early 90's but alas commodore went under then [21:59] 64megs of ram. [21:59] i.e. Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds and Secret of the Silver Blades. [21:59] well, gotta go, but nice talking with you guys... hope to be here next weekend... cheers! [21:59] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-31-123-163.wi.rr.com) Quit [22:00] Just so long as it is backwards compatible to what I already have [22:00] dracosilv: go to tools > ack. [22:00] LordRonin- Well, it's kinda hard to play with RPG's via a single joystick thingie. :) [22:00] Don't know a thing about the joystick thingie. What is the difference for the games? [22:01] has anyone played iceguys on the c64? [22:01] Sentient, nice idea. 64 MBytes of RAM - sounds nice figures/Jeri. [22:01] Don't think I have heard of that one Sentient [22:01] I have talked some ideas over which I been acknowledge with. [22:02] lord: check out the details of iceguys at www.lemon64.com [22:02] LordRonin- You like the SSI Gold box D&D stuff, eh? I'm more of a Bard's Tale and Might/Magic RPG'er. [22:02] Thanks Sentient shall do [22:03] Actually Eyeth, I'm a 1st Ed AD&D player since 78. Dice and paper type. [22:03] does anyone here have RISK for the 64? [22:03] Currently running a two night campaign [22:03] Sentient - is www.lemon64.com, C64 browser compatible. [22:03] wild: dunno [22:03] Might have Sentient, but it is buried in 2 gigs of files from a copy party. [22:03] If need be, I can get the info if necassary. [22:04] lord: how is it? [22:04] easy enough to test -- *starts HyperLink on the 128* [22:04] Eyeth, yeah I have tried BT and M&M have them on the BBs. [22:04] lord: where r ya? in north america? [22:04] Thanks Cameron, I'll need to pick up a ethernet thinggy for my C128D. [22:04] Not sure Sentient. Barely fired it up. Played the Geos version more and found it to be more like the board game. [22:05] Broadband on the C128 :) [22:05] with the talk of ethernet for the IDE64, I am going to have to get that [22:05] Affirm Sentient on North West coast of Oregon [22:05] looks frame based [22:05] ABSOLUTELY. [22:05] it's not particularly friendly, no, but in HyperLink I can navigate okay -- just slowly [22:05] I' ve been thinking about that Lantronix thing. When I can afford one. [22:06] I even have ADDITIONAL HUBs for it - Cabletron hubs [22:06] I was contemplating the lantronix, also [22:06] so who wants to share their story about their commodore [22:07] Great investment IMHO. [22:07] but the IDE64 setup sounds good too [22:07] WOOHOO! [22:07] If I do the cable adaption right, I can patch through the Console or Modem port. [22:07] :-D [22:07] you couldn't pry mine away from me -- very fast access and works great with most generic LANs [22:07] Had an IDE64. Didn't care for it [22:07] no more grotty serial cables flying across the apartment [22:08] that's what carpeting is for...to bury cables [22:10] * Mad_Kat (nobody@206.157.148.152) has joined #c64friends [22:10] Hoi Mad Kat [22:10] Just got a Super Snapshot V5 on e-Bay! [22:10] Hello all! [22:10] Hello [22:10] howdy, M_K. [22:10] ok, then i'll start off :) [22:10] The first one I had, I didn't have a disk drive for. I had a neighbor who had four but he didn't want to lend one out... so I had to run over to his house, plug in the drive, load whatever off it, then unplug it and run it back over. Never fried anything, amazingly enough. [22:10] Hello CDKAiser - I remember you from all those progs you had in Gazette. [22:10] i bought my first commodore in 1987 -- the C64c [22:10] Last thing I got for my C64 was some EPROM 128 thing, but haven't tried it out yet. [22:10] you do, eh? that was years ago, of course. :) [22:10] i remember i was so excited... [22:10] I got my first C-64 in June 84, because I still have my Compute Gazette that I bought that month. [22:10] i practically used it everyday and night! playing games, bbsing, etc [22:10] I feel so new, got my for Channukha in 93 [22:10] Didn't get a 1541 disk drive till the end of summer. [22:10] Got my first 64 (old brown model) in 86 [22:10] And then my first 300 baud modem. [22:10] in 1st yr university i even wrote my essays on the c64! [22:10] GEOS [22:11] I'm never cared for GEOS [22:11] Speaking of Geos, anyone here grabbed the free DL of it? [22:11] not yet [22:11] Not yet. [22:11] Caricon, I ike Geos but love Wheels [22:12] Grabbed both the 64 and 128 version for members not on the Inet. [22:12] Tested it out and it works just like my factory disks. [22:12] then in 1994 i kinda stopped using it .. i only used novaterm for telnetting [22:12] Sweet [22:12] sometimes [22:12] * Mad_Kat (nobody@206.157.148.152) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:13] and for a few yrs i stopped using it all together [22:13] Used to use NovaTerm 9.4 for connection. No shell accounts in this area :-( [22:13] and then all of a sudden i had an urge to play shinobi on my 64 , i believe in 2002 and i realized i had left my computer on for God knows how long [22:13] I did download the GEOS disk images, but didn't do anything yet. [22:13] it was busted! [22:14] I'm going to play pinball now. Later. [22:14] niters Jerz0r [22:14] Seeya, Jeri :) [22:14] cya [22:14] Eyeth, I grabbed the disk images, but also followed Maurice's step by step. Had a review to write on it. [22:14] * Jerz0r (~Jeri@4.14.108.45) has left #c64friends [22:14] i panicked, and realized how much i missed using my 64 .. that scrambled to find a replacement [22:14] nite Jer [22:14] * Mad_Kat (nobody@206.157.148.202) has joined #c64friends [22:14] wb Mad_Kat [22:14] then i finally found a c64c on ebay and ordered it [22:15] Welcome back M.K. [22:15] Allan Bairstow did a great piece on the GEOS tutorial for CS 2004. [22:15] Got axed - ya know how it goes on dial-up... [22:15] I never get axed on dialup [22:16] and now me and my buddy (who's also a commodore fan like me) regularly hold Commodore Bash at my place [22:16] Didn't see that issue. not since Allan isn't sending the paper copy in exchange. Asked about a Post Print DL. Didn't get a reply yet. [22:16] ever since I got rid of the 2400 baud modem, that is [22:16] Mad Kat, are you using BitchX? [22:16] Lucky you - who's your ISP? [22:16] one second, switching a *third* time ^^ [22:16] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:16] SBC [22:16] just last month we held C-Bash #11 [22:16] BitchX? SBC? [22:17] * Chas (chhouck@216.139.103.111) has joined #c64friends [22:17] could be part of the reason, Southwestern Bell [22:17] Howdy Chas [22:17] I was using BitchX tonight. Kept getting axed. [22:17] I miss copy parties. :-( [22:17] Hoi Chas [22:17] Ah ok - hello Chas. [22:17] :) [22:17] Hi Snog. Hi all. [22:18] last copy party I went to was back in 91 I think? [22:18] the commodore bash we hold is like a drug! we get so high! [22:18] Man I love getting these disk lots off e-Bay. Find all kinds of treasures in them. [22:18] my buddy was a sysop of a commodore bbs board in quebec back in the mid 80's [22:19] LordRonin- I did try the pen/paper version of D&D. Found it to be an interesting experience. Then Bard's Tale came and I've dropped pen/paper since. :( [22:19] Most interesting thing I've seen this week was a C-64 emulator for the Atari ST. [22:19] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [22:19] Last copy party I was at was Dec of 2002. MHI crew and I had a copy party [22:19] there we go [22:19] he's the only friend of mine who's a commodore fan like me .. the rest of my friends think i'm nuts [22:19] for still playing games on my 64 [22:20] Sen, they are not your friends [22:20] We are. :-) [22:20] hehe :) [22:20] Well, I guess that makes us all nuts..:) [22:20] Eyeth, well I started dice RPGs first. Run about 45 of them these days. Plus 4 PBEMs on the BBS. Runa a game every night [22:20] hey i'm very versatile [22:20] I don't have any C= buddies anymore [22:20] sigh, and once more ... [22:20] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Client Quit) [22:20] I'm not nuts, the VA just pays me to play with my C= [22:21] gee, why can't we be your buddies? [22:21] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) has joined #c64friends [22:21] i have just one C= buddy , and we hold C= parties at my place... [22:21] Well, Caricon, we need to get together and copy disks for old times sake. LOL [22:21] we call it C= Bash! [22:21] ah, much, much better [22:21] we've had 11 so far [22:21] I have lots of disks [22:21] It sounds like we're in a swimming pool and we need a 'buddy system'. I've got all the Commodore buddies I need online. :) [22:22] Heh :) [22:22] Cricon so do I about 3,000 ever make it to Astoria Ore we can copy. [22:22] Of course, it sure is nice to meet a lot of them at the upcoming EXPO! [22:22] I've got more than my wife likes. hahaha [22:22] hehehe [22:23] I rather like using an emulator - no worries about disks or hardware going bad. [22:23] Hey 64er, I'll take your extra off your hands, and because you are a C= user, not charge you a cent [22:23] It is far easier for me to get to Seaside or any place in Astoria for anything. [22:23] yea, one day I'll have to go thru and see what works and what doesn't anymore. [22:23] I like the real hardware. I don't really care for the keyboard remapping... ] to type an asterisk :) [22:23] I'm just trying to get my "stuff" together. It's a mess in my basement now. [22:23] BTW, for those thinking about archiving those 1541 disks onto CD-R's, there may be CD rot to worry about! :( [22:23] Not I Mad Kat, real C= is all I own or use. [22:23] well, I'd best be getting back to "work" as it were [22:24] nice to see everyone on! [22:24] work? [22:24] ack [22:24] L8R [22:24] Pnacolada - yeah, it can be a pain trying to find those keys. [22:24] niters CDKaiser [22:24] BCNU [22:24] Thanks for stopping by, CDKaiser. [22:24] yeah, with my schedule, I can only do my "work" on the weekend ;) [22:24] Commodore Bash is like a ritual for us -- we start off the bash by first going out for dinner to pizza hut where talk about the commodore revolution :) then on the way back home we stop at tim hortons to get some capaccino (need a caffeine rush) then we make it back to my place where my c64c is in the basement (i call it the commodore cave) we play c= games all night [22:24] c you later [22:24] C= you later [22:24] and then we cap off the night by watching rod serling's twilight zone episodes [22:25] ny-tol :) [22:25] And wher e is that? [22:25] later CD [22:25] and i'm a married man with a newly arrived kid! [22:25] Seeya, CDKaiser :) [22:25] * CDKaiser (nobody@netblock-66-159-214-137.dslextreme.com) Quit (Quit: The sky has fallen) [22:25] HEY! My basement is the COMMODORE CAVE !!!!!! [22:25] Sentient for me it is the Beer, the pipe and afterwards. The Prisoner episodes. [22:25] Well, at least the kid's there to supervise the Commodore Cave. :) [22:25] Hey MikeC, how you doing [22:25] Quick, Batman, to the Commodore Cave! [22:25] Sentient: where you from? [22:25] my kid is not even a month old yet :) [22:26] I used to SubOp on a BBS called the Basement [22:26] My disk just cussed me out I think? [22:26] Hey mine are all in their 30s [22:26] Wildstar: Good...reading IRC in one side of the screen and Lemon 64 forums on the other... [22:26] ...and you? [22:26] Trying a Jepordy disk and SWITCH OFF is on the screen. LOL [22:26] currently just readin' [22:26] c=bash for use pure nostalgic heaven! [22:26] the IRC [22:26] c=bash for us is pure nostalgic heaven! [22:26] MikeC- What's your Lemon64 forum name? [22:27] I been busy too much [22:27] Eyeth: Paradime [22:27] today to do too much [22:27] car: canada [22:27] car: u? [22:27] US: Ohio [22:27] Car, you local right? [22:27] I think, someday, the Lemon64 forums will exceed comp.sys.cbm as the Internet forum for CBM discussions. [22:28] I agree. [22:28] I'm 100 miles NW from Dayton. [22:28] is there really that much discussion on Lemon64? [22:28] Eyeth: Yep...looks that way. [22:28] I bet I know who you are now. [22:28] Eyeth, I hadn't heard about the Lemon64 forum before tonight. [22:28] Actually, yes. [22:28] Your wife really into Amiga's? [22:29] me and my wife come to the Amitech Dayton User Group meetings. [22:29] wouldn't 100 miles NW of Dayton be close to Ft Wayne Indiana? [22:29] yes [22:29] Hey, what city is everyone from? Me: Toronto, Canada. [22:29] It has been around for awhile. [22:29] Okay, we met at the meeting I went to. [22:29] yes, I'm close to Ft. Wayne. [22:29] MikeC Astoria Oregon [22:29] SE Ky here. [22:29] mike: i'm in oakville! [22:29] I think I'll wander off here. Night. [22:29] Dayton, Ohio [22:29] * Pnacolada (~trillian@c-67-171-224-14.client.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)) [22:29] * Snogpitch lives near Cincinnati Ohio [22:29] Astoria, Oregon and a movie is being filmed in Astoria again [22:30] Sentient: Really? My wife's sister and her family are in Oakville. We're there all the time. Cool. [22:30] Cincy, eh? Nice town. [22:30] Snogpitch- The Lemon64 forums actually generates more postings than comp.sys.cbm. However, the quality of the postings leave somewhat to be desired. Also, the 'star power' is lacking in Lemon64 forums; [22:30] Car, next time drop her off in Huber Heights and we'll hang for a bit. [22:30] We will be down for the next meeting this month. [22:30] True Wildstar. But they don't need any crazed biker looking extras. Lets me out [22:30] hello [22:30] i.e., no Jim Butterfield, Maurice Randall, Robert Bernardo, Cameron Kaiser, Jeri Ellsworth, Bil Herd, etc. on Lemon 64. [22:30] mikec: so how long have ya been c= user? [22:31] Hehehe, it already is a horror movie. Sequel to "The Ring [22:31] How many postings a day usually on the average? [22:31] Sentient: Since the Vic-20 came out in 81/82. BOught it at K-Mart (actually, parents bought it) [22:31] Yeah heard about that on KMUN. No time for it right now. Too much C= writings [22:31] cool [22:31] mike: and now you have a 64/128? [22:31] I would wager a guess of around 60 postings a day. There are a total of 122373 postings on Lemon64 forums. [22:32] If you were to watch the video and die in 7 days - you be in C= heaven [22:32] Got my 64 in '85. Got a Datasette for it that summer, and a 1541 for Xmas '86. [22:32] Car, my number is 937-254-8775 call when you are in town. [22:32] Sentient: I have a C-64c and about 3 C-64's. Along with a 1541-II and a couple of older 1541's. I sold my original stuff years ago but pick this stuff up cheap from a North York school sale $1/each. [22:33] Sentient: how about you? [22:33] Nice deal [22:33] IMHO, the 'chitchat' section of Lemon64 forums is somewhat detracting from the overall Commodore experience presented in that site. [22:33] wow , when did ya buy it from the north york school? [22:34] Eyeth: How does one find/enter the Lemon64 forums [22:34] Last summer. Some guy posted in tor.forsale.computers [22:34] mike: i bought the c64c in 1987 from cdn tire .. then i found out it stopped working in 2002 and bought another c64c from ebay then [22:34] Sentient: If you need parts, let me know. I have a ton. [22:35] LordRonin- Basically, the lemon64 forums, ironically enough, are inaccessible to native Commodore 64/128's. [22:35] cool [22:35] thanks! [22:35] You would need to have a shell account or use a modern PC system. [22:35] That is a Bummer :-( [22:35] Feel free to e-mail me at m**********@*******.com [22:35] Well I do contact through Wave to VCS where I use the Linux shell. Does that work? [22:35] This is one drawback of the Lemon64 forums; The comp.sys.cbm newsgroup is easily accessible on native CBM systems. :) [22:36] Actually, if I got rid of some of the Commodore stuff, it would make my wife happy. ;) [22:36] Yes, using a shell account would work. [22:36] C64er: think you can make it to the next Amitech meeting? [22:36] When is it? [22:36] That is how I am here tonight. Telnet to VCS and then at the shell prompt went to IRC. [22:37] LordRonin- Use http://www.lemon64.com/forum via your text browser on VCS. [22:37] 3rd Saturday. [22:37] Eyeth: Many thanks, just wrote that down and will give it a try later on. [22:38] should be next Saturday [22:38] If that is this next weekend, no I can't. That's Hamvention! [22:38] Next Saturday I'm going to be in downtown Cincy rocking to Blondie [22:39] Nice Snog [22:39] * nomead (~slaur@sekunda.yok.utu.fi) has joined #c64friends [22:39] needless to say, I won't be here [22:39] oh, at where they set up Daytonfest [22:39] Howdy nomead [22:39] Hoi nomead [22:39] Blondie is back together and on tour, Snog? [22:39] Hello Nomead [22:39] good morning from finland :) [22:39] Hello nomead. [22:39] Yes, Blondie is on tour [22:39] Yes Car, Hara Arena [22:40] I just saw Blondie in convert on tv today. [22:40] They have been back together for a few years now [22:40] nomead: Gretz from west coast US [22:40] Hey, I want to go to that. I hear good things about there hamfests. [22:40] Far out! So how's Debbie looking these days? [22:40] i always hear about elabroate commodore parties in europe but never in the U.S or Canada [22:40] I'll let ya know, Mad_Kat :) [22:40] Hamvention is a gas [22:40] I spen 4 days being an Uber-Geek. LOL [22:41] Sentient: There was one on 30/Dec/03 in Portland [22:41] I want to go. Know how much it cost to get in? [22:41] not sure how close to the stage I will get, but I'll try my best [22:41] LOL thanx! You do know she was in Playboy a LONG time ago, Snog? [22:41] Yep, don't have that issue tho [22:41] $22 bucks [22:41] 3 day pass [22:41] LOL Rats! :) [22:41] o me [22:41] C64 parties tend to be bunched up with general "oldskool"/alternative parties nowadays, haven't been in a c64-only party in ages. [22:42] Die Hard 2 : Die Harder is on [22:42] Pretty good flick, almost good as the first DH. [22:42] I just want to go Saturday. $22 would be kinda high, since it's for me and my wife. [22:42] RaYzor: Edited or not? [22:42] edited :( [22:43] Bummer [22:43] Butchered for TV? Yuck! [22:43] I bet the next Die Hard movie will be Die Hard 4: Die Hard with Viagra [22:43] LOL!! [22:43] Pan&scan or widescreen? [22:43] Yeah, it's a bit high. But I'm a Ham and that is just like going to LUCKY or Chicago. :-D [22:43] Three hated words on TV "Edited for Television" [22:43] I have nothing else to do aside of play xbox [22:43] and I dont wanna lose anymore games of Crimson Skies to 11 year olds [22:43] I thought it was "after this message" [22:44] Nah, Die Hard 4: Die Hardest has started filming already... [22:44] If I am to attend a Euro C64 party, I'll definitely attend Floppy! [22:44] DIE HARD WITH VIAGRA is being filmed now ? [22:44] snogpitch: Nope that is after "To Be Continued" ;-? [22:44] Rayzor - that's why I don't care for online games. [22:44] Xbox you cant really cheat online, but damn these guys are good [22:44] Okay, let's have a C64 only party! [22:44] No vendors [22:45] I find myself on the losing end to 4 year old guys with overdeveloped fingers/thumbs and teeny joysticks. :( [22:45] I'll volunteer my shop for the party [22:45] Just geeks, their C64's, and lots of disks! [22:45] Too many people that play 'em for a living on those games. [22:45] Die Hard 4: Finally Dead :) (rumors say that McClane will finally actually die in this one) [22:45] Xbox shoulda kept those monster gorilla game pads that way the little bastards couldnt play, physically [22:45] Heh. [22:45] I wonder if they have a day price for hamfest [22:45] Hehehe [22:45] Cool, I got a working original Gary Kitchen's Gamemaker disk. [22:46] C64er: Do you have the dox? [22:46] Me too on Gamemaker - got the SF disk too. [22:46] Got mine from Fender [22:46] Man, go for SEUCK! [22:46] Yeah, but where can you find a copy of SEUCK? [22:46] Ronin: Nope, just the disk. [22:46] Got it a bundle from e-Bay [22:47] Hmm, I should still have my original (tape) SEUCK somewhere... [22:47] For .99 :-) [22:47] One disappointing dud was Adventure Construction Set by EA. :( [22:47] If ya need Gamemaker dox, I've got 'em. [22:47] what is SEUCK? [22:47] I do, I do [22:47] Sold that game on eBay. [22:47] shoot em up construction kit [22:47] Eyeth - yeah, ACS wasn't much. [22:47] oh ok [22:48] ACS was fair, but too complicated for most people. The dox for it at project64 only covers the first half of the manual. [22:48] Can't remember what construction kit I 've got...let me look [22:48] What about Wargame construction set by SSI? Is it good? [22:49] Yes that's what I have Wargame [22:49] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-31-123-163.wi.rr.com) has joined #c64friends [22:49] Eyeth: I played with it a bit and then sold it to Wildstar's father. [22:49] hello dracosilv [22:49] Hoi dracosilv [22:49] Hello Dracosilv [22:49] Can anyone recommend any really good wargame simulations on the C64? I've got Shiloh, but wondering if there are others. [22:49] so lets chat about stuff such as Commodore [22:49] IIRC it made games on the lines of the SSI engine. [22:50] For the most part - I have that equipment now. [22:50] I should switch on the ol SX sitting here [22:50] Wargames was purchased in a lot of 128 stuff I got years ago [22:50] I pretty much acquired the C= stuff in the family. [22:50] Then you have a spare Turbo Wildstar? [22:50] Reach for the Stars is a good strategy game. [22:50] i'm back with a question... on the commodore 64's joystick ports are ports called 'pot ax' and 'pot ay'. are those lines analog or digital? [22:50] I have a Turbo and a SwiftLink [22:50] If so Jeff at the Centipede telnet board would be interested. [22:50] dracosilv: analog [22:50] The SID has a A/D convertor for those lines. [22:50] but very slow [22:51] So, I would guess, analog. [22:51] thanks nomad. [22:51] hey does anyone here need a cart port expansion... EX3 I think ?? [22:51] so you really can't (for example) make a sound sampler from the pot lines. [22:51] RaYzor: I could use one [22:52] Ok, I might be able to sell the SwiftLink. [22:52] and u are in Aussieland [22:52] :) [22:52] i have an idea for a weather monitoring station... and i am wondering if i could use those ports for data... [22:52] I have a the EX2+1. [22:52] Wildstar: He was going to buy my spare. But I sold it to #16. [22:52] RayZor: Nope wet rainy Astoria Oregon USA [22:53] Hmmm.... Ok. Not to rainy here [22:53] LordRonin is ~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au [22:53] Wait a bit, it is due back again [22:53] .au ? [22:53] His connection. He links through Videocam [22:53] the land down under [22:54] RaYzor: I telent to videocam for my e-mail and just about everything else, as I am on a 128D [22:54] nice [22:54] He is actually in Astoria, Oregon. [22:54] I should really rig the SX back up [22:54] Reminds me I have to fix the internal 41 and install Jiffy Dos in my SX [22:54] LR uses a local ISP then links through VideoCam [22:55] bye. [22:55] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-31-123-163.wi.rr.com) has left #c64friends [22:55] Anyone here have the Compression Kit '94? [22:55] Could be worse Wildstar, could be running through my Germany connections. [22:55] I've never used Compression Kit [22:55] Eyeth: Never scored it up [22:55] Now,now LR [22:56] Do have someplace the decompressor [22:56] Well I do have those accounts there for Scene World Wildstar. [22:56] yes, the decompressor was freeware [22:56] I can bypass the dongle protection for CKit '94, but wondering if it was 'worth it'. [22:56] The dongle actually 'crippled' the software as it rendered it unusable in 20MHz mode of the SuperCPU. :( [22:57] Has anyone found a file that was compressed with that compression system? All I found was Color64 in that form. [22:57] Is it freeware/PD at this time? [22:57] * MatrixMan (~bryan@h000f9f1860e2.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #c64friends [22:58] Hoi MatixMan [22:58] hello all! :-) [22:58] No. The author more or less, seemed to have disappeared. A geniune loss, as he was nearing completion of a RPG game called "Messiah". Would have loved to see the game. [22:58] Hey LordRonin! Good to see u here... [22:58] Didn't hear about that game. Peaks my interest [22:58] Howdy MatrixMan [22:59] hello snog! [22:59] Yeah; Gene Barker touted the Messiah as being one of the biggest C= RPG games for the C64 platform. [22:59] Yuppers, made it here last week as well. First time in a few years for IRC. [22:59] * Juan (~icechat@24-159-234-169.jvl.wi.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [22:59] Wonder if there is anyway to track him and his work today? [22:59] Howdy Juan [22:59] Hoi Juan [22:59] <<-- My real name is Bryan Pope... [23:00] hell Juan [23:00] Now, Newcomer seems to have taken the mantle as the largest C64 3-D style RPG game. [23:00] Never could get their game to work. Using real C= equipoment, and they asked Allan for me to review it for CS. [23:02] what would it run on? [23:02] Well, Newcomer requires a PAL setup. Hopefully that can change as the authors seem interested in hashing out an IDE64 version. [23:02] oh, PAL... [23:02] Gotta run my C= brotherz and sistaz , but i might be back [23:02] Niters Sentient [23:02] BCNU Sentient [23:03] l8er Sentient [23:03] later Sentient [23:03] Later, Sentient [23:03] LONG LIVE THE 64! [23:03] PeaCE! [23:03] C= forever [23:03] cya sentient [23:03] * Sentient (tiajrclkxg@ACA0CC6E.ipt.aol.com) Quit [23:03] Eyeth: That wasn't the problem I had on the first release. Freller wouldn't revert from the .D64 files. [23:03] PeaC= [23:03] nite [23:03] * Bitman (~icechat@24-159-234-169.jvl.wi.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [23:03] so, when was Messiah originally written? [23:04] Maybe Newcomer came on extended .d64 files, occupying 40 tracks. [23:04] hey Bitman! [23:04] lo' Bitman [23:04] Snogpitch- I would say 1994 or so. [23:04] Helolo Bitman [23:04] Hello Bitman [23:04] Hello [23:04] There was a mention or two in Commodore World. [23:04] Hoi Bitman [23:04] * Juan (~icechat@24-159-234-169.jvl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:04] Howdy Bitman [23:05] Talked with them a bit in E-Mail. Learned that they did a lot of the work on the Amiga. But my Sons A4000 Power Tower couldn't open the files either. [23:05] I'll have to look at my CW issues and see what it was... [23:05] Hey, so what's the news on C-One, C-64 DTV, etc.? [23:06] Well, Jeri says she'll demo the C-One at the upcoming EXPO. [23:06] Eyeth: is it finished yet? [23:07] I'll find out at the EXPO. So far, I can only be optimistic. [23:07] I'll find out too :) [23:07] Any other expo releases or news? [23:08] No MikeC [23:08] * Bitman (~icechat@24-159-234-169.jvl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:08] info on the cost of Geopublish 1.1 was in email today [23:08] Well, Jeri also reported that Laurence Hiler & Seth Sternberger are attending the EXPO. [23:08] I will be demoing DriveGhost at the EXPO. [23:08] * JavaUser (~Javauser@24-159-234-169.jvl.wi.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [23:08] hello JavaUser [23:09] It may be by the expo but I doubt that as of yet. [23:09] Howdy JavaUser, should we call you that? [23:09] Yo [23:09] <<-- can't wait to go to his first expo!! :-D [23:09] you can change your name by typing /nick newnick [23:09] Nah! Just installed the client...haven't had time to change name [23:09] Cool! Glad to see you stopping by at the EXPO! [23:09] * JavaUser is now known as Juan_Vald [23:10] More names are appearing at the EXPO and already, hotel rooms are filling out. Sounds like to be one of the better EXPO's in recent years. [23:10] Eyeth: What's DriveGhost [23:10] Que pasa? [23:10] is this the same Juan from a little while ago? [23:10] Si [23:10] Wildstar: Are you going to the Expo? [23:10] Got kicked off [23:10] MikeC- Basically, its a utility to ghost (clone) CMD partitions on the HD, FD and RAMLink. [23:10] cool, are you using the link from our webpage? [23:11] Yes [23:11] Eyeth: Oh...cool. [23:11] excellent [23:11] What are we talking about right now? [23:11] first person to use it I think [23:11] No, I have stuff that I must be dealt with and I have had a variety of stuff that is going on. [23:11] MikeC- http://www.64hdd.com/driveghost/index.html# [23:11] Anyone have a IDE64? [23:11] I might have IDE64 when I can buy it at the expo [23:12] I have alot of stuff that is going on. [23:12] I will be at the Expo [23:12] Wildstar: like what? Anything C-64 related? [23:12] MikeC: Had one traded it for Computer Eyes and a Camera [23:12] Another EXPO-goer... I'll be there as well and will demo a couple of things. [23:12] Cool! [23:13] Some C= related and some not related. [23:13] * MacbthPSW (~macbeth@nwc53-191.nwconx.net) has joined #c64friends [23:13] LordRonin: What's your experince with it? Why trade it? [23:13] I'll be the one either behind the CCCC sale table OR behind the table with the clearcased C1 [23:13] I wouldn't mind getting an IDE64, however, I already have a CMD HD. Kinda seems pointless. :) [23:13] * MacbthPSW is now known as RobinH [23:13] Hoi Macbthpsw [23:13] hello RobinH [23:13] Hey folks. [23:13] Howdy RobinH [23:13] Snogpitch- Is there a picture of your clearcased C1? [23:13] Mainly it was all PAL stuff that was horrid to use. Not as friendly as the CMD and for the64 only. My work is primarily on the 128 in 80c [23:14] http://pages.prodigy.net/snogpitch/c-one/ [23:14] Snogpitch: Were you at the Chicago Expo too this year? [23:14] Is it still possible to get a CMD hard drive? [23:14] Yes, I was at the Chicago Expo [23:14] * Schema (~zzzzzzz@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [23:14] Between that - there is also limitation on funds MikeC. [23:14] Hoi Schema [23:14] bottom pic of me and the C1 was from the SWRAP expo [23:14] Hi all [23:14] hello Scema [23:14] I saw you case then...very cool. Neon lights right? [23:14] Wow- The C1 is small; I see a lot of blue in that case. :) [23:14] MikeC are you in Toronto? [23:15] Yeah if you order one from Maurice. Or I knew of a guy in the MUTTm that had two for sale. [23:15] Schema: Yep. Are you? [23:15] Yes indeed (I'm aka Leif) [23:15] Oh yeah...forgot... [23:15] Sorry about the Leafs, guys. I am, anyway. [23:15] Thought you might be the same mikec [23:15] Wonder if there are any Lt. Kernel drives still out there [23:15] Yeah, my namesakes lost again [23:15] Schema: Yep, that's me. [23:16] The Toronto Maple Leifs. [23:16] * Chas (chhouck@216.139.103.111) has left #c64friends [23:16] lol [23:16] Anyway, The CMD HD has a lot going for it in comparison to the IDE64. The only real advantage of the IDE64 is speed and cost. [23:16] The Leaf lose every year by the 2nd round. [23:16] MikeC, you got my response - right ? [23:16] Ouch! [23:16] Naw, they made it to 3rd 2 years ago. [23:16] A bad pun... [23:16] Eyeth: What ar they going for? [23:17] Mike, any interest in going to the LUCKI Expo? I'm still looking for carpoolers from TO. [23:17] The first pic on that collection is the best pic of the board inside the case [23:17] I think I'm going to the Midwest Gaming Classic instead of the LUCKI expo. [23:17] Schema: Really, what are the details (again)? [23:17] Well, the CMD HD would cost around $250 dollars. But, better check with Maurice Randall of CMDRKEY. However, eBay would be a better bet on getting a hands on a used CMD HD unit. [23:17] * EaTmYShRT (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has joined #c64friends [23:17] click on the pic for a bigger image [23:17] < Robin- Dang. Surely you can change your mind? :) [23:18] Wildstar: yep...so you're not going... [23:18] MatrixMan: kewl! [23:18] Todd: It's a lot closer to home - only 10 hours drive instead of ~17 [23:18] MikeC: Details.... http://www.luckyclub.net/expo.html [23:18] MikeC- Also, Maurice will demo his latest CMD HD DOS+ upgrade at the EXPO. So, there's continued work and development. [23:18] TPUG has 1 carful going, I'm trying to get enough for a 2nd [23:19] Eyeth: Hmm...I dunno...seems a little pricey. [23:19] Schema: how long's the drive? How many days? [23:19] Not yet because of stuff. I am also having to save up for the C-One in upcoming months. [23:19] <_sknight_> gotta go! bbl bye! [23:19] Mapquest claims it's 9 hours - probably 10-11 with rest stops, meals and border crossing [23:19] niters _sknight_ [23:19] schema> cool.. cause I sent them a cheque for membership months ago but havent had a response.. :( [23:19] l8er sknight [23:19] * _sknight_ (~sknight@200-148-24-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) Quit (Quit: [x]chat) [23:20] Matrix: Was the cheque cashed?? [23:20] From Toronto, it seems to be almost the same distance to either expo. [23:20] schema> not yet [23:20] It's about 12 hours for me to Chicago, then another 5 to LUCKI. [23:20] Does anyone know if there are any audio samples of the MonsterSID in action? [23:20] Robin- You could drive down to Toronto and hook up with Leif and he can drive all the way down and you'll be plugging away on your SX-64 hooked up to the cigarette lighter. :) [23:20] Schema: almost as far as driving to NYC.. it's possible but I didn't really plan on going...decisions...decisions... [23:20] You'd think Louisville would be farther away, it's farther south [23:21] MikeC, some stuff is VIC-20 related. I am also working on getting a hold of a "Computer Eyes". [23:21] Snogpitch: But not as far west [23:21] Vic20? [23:21] Todd: Well, Toronto is 1000 miles away :) [23:21] Wildstar: what's Computer Eyes" [23:21] I'm about 2 1/2 hrs from Louisville. [23:21] Robin- Ouch. [23:21] LR can explain it better. [23:21] MikeC: The more people we get to go, the cheaper it is for everyone [23:21] Texas has *nothing* on Ontario, size wise. [23:21] Wildstar: Pop by the shop and see what it looks like with the GEOS drivers [23:22] Robin: You're in Thunder Bay, right? [23:22] Schema: What kind of car? Mini Van? Rental? [23:22] Leif: yup [23:22] Well, the EXPO is roughly 1000+ miles away from me, so I'm flying in. [23:22] Yes, I seen it but I think you have more experience to explain it. [23:22] I drove from Waterloo to Winnipeg once...26 hours [23:22] Yeah, Winnipeg is only 7 hours from here. [23:22] MikeC: Undecided. Probably rental, as none of our cars would make it :-) [23:23] In short it is a video digitizer device. [23:23] Schema: actually, in 1997, I drove from Toronto to Vancouver and then Vancouver to LA. [23:23] Good heavens [23:23] bet that was some trip [23:23] Wildstar. Not the GEOs ones, they were started yesterday. You saw the stock Computer Eyes driver output. Like in the newsleter [23:23] 4000 miles, I'd guess. [23:24] Schema: I drove back over a year later and ended up flipping the car in Winslow, AZ. Tie rod snapped... [23:24] ouch [23:24] yikes [23:24] D'oh! [23:24] Bye bye 1993 Mazda 626 [23:24] This allows for me to digitize video and then save the image file. It hooks into the USER Port. [23:25] Wildstar, will try to explain in a moment. In private at this time. [23:25] I'm interested in just about all classic computers/video games, so the MGC will be a lot of fun. Should be a bit of C64 there, but it's especially the Atari 2600 stuff I'm interested in. [23:25] Eyeth: reading back, the comment about the C64... I've wondered what the requirements would be for running a C64 in a car [23:25] http://www.midwestgamingclassic.com/ [23:25] *SX64 in the car [23:25] Schema: send me an e-mail (mikec_cbm@*******.com) and let's see if we can work it out. [23:26] I dunno. The car better be running if the SX64 is hooked up to it! Otherwise the battery will go kaput. :) [23:26] Wildstar, OK the Computer Eyes is a Video Capture System from 1984ce. [23:26] I've run a PET from my truck. [23:26] Schema : a voltage inverter [23:26] Use groups.google.com to check for running off a C64 from a car. [23:26] I have done it b4 [23:26] Yeah, I was thinking that, but in terms of a monitor [23:26] errr converter [23:26] or someting [23:26] 12vdc to 110 VAC [23:26] I remember seeing the ads for Computer Eyes, but never got to see one. [23:26] Wildstar: is Computer Eyes that thing that attaches to your printer? [23:26] Does B&W in either a one or 4 or 8 pass. The majority of passes gives more grey scale difinittion. [23:26] RaYzor: Yeah, it's easy that way. [23:27] You can also run the C64 directly off the car battery, but monitor-wise, you'd need a DC TV or something. [23:27] CRTs are real power hogs though, I wonder if I get get my flat LCD to work [23:27] No, directly to the User Port. The same port that the ol' C= modems hooked into. [23:27] The stock driver though makes the 4x8 pixels While GEOs driver is much more square for the "dots" [23:27] with a video->VGA adapter [23:27] Wildstar: is it a hand scanner? [23:27] I will be bringing my LCD to the Expo that work with C-64 [23:27] Cool. [23:28] Todd: I'm still planning on being in Chicago though. Guess you won't be able to make both shows though, eh? [23:28] No, a video digitizer/capture cartridge. Plug a camera to it and voila - digitized video. [23:28] MikeC: No it is a device that will plug into a Vid Camera, VCR DVD or Video Disk [23:28] Juan: Can you give us some details ? [23:29] I was considering getting one of those LCD's that I could use with the C64, but they were a bit expensive when I was looking at them [23:29] Comes with stock drivers, with help menu. [23:29] RobinH- Yeah, i've only budgeted for one EXPO. :( [23:29] Oh...ok I get it... [23:29] It had RCA and SVHS connectors [23:29] Sure...Samsung 15" LCD Monitor...has TV, S-Video, Composite, VGA inputs with speakers [23:29] I seem to remember something with a similar name that attached to a printer but I thought it was for the Apple II. [23:29] * fy001 (~fyarra@140.186.53.70) has joined #c64friends [23:30] Howdy fy001 [23:30] * EaTmYShRT is now known as Gunther1 [23:30] HI [23:30] Howdy Gunther1 [23:30] Hoi fy001 [23:30] Hi there [23:30] It is available for the C64 and is said to be workable on the Vic-20 [23:31] computereyes on a Vic20? [23:31] RobinH- Anything new on your end? Commodore programming? [23:31] Cool [23:31] would have to be an expanded Vic [23:31] Schema: I can e-mail you some pictures of it in action [23:31] Demos? [23:31] By the way, everyone, there's a new-ish VIC-20 forum: www.sleepingelephant.com/denial [23:32] I suspect that but part of my challenge is to break barriers, Hehehe. [23:32] * Gunther1 (notme@newnet.spam.detector) has left #c64friends [23:32] Juan: That's fine. I didn't realize it had composite in, that's pretty handy [23:32] newish? like it's been around a while? [23:32] Use the drive's own RAM may be a sly trick. [23:32] Very.... [23:33] It has been around. [23:33] Snog: I don't know how long it's been going, but it's only recently started to show some activity. [23:34] Is there an ultimate Vic-20 site? [23:34] Oh, the forum ok- gotta see. [23:34] Leif: Cool about Denial - he mailed me the first (only?) issue of his newsletter called Denial years ago. [23:34] I guess I'll need to check that out sometime [23:34] I know there's an impressive Plus/4 site at emucamp.com. [23:34] Hmmm.... don't know but I think it be cool. [23:34] Question...What is the best way to do PC<>C64 xfers? [23:34] The ultimate VIC20 site *was* Arma's TAP archive, according to many [23:34] What defines "ultimate". [23:35] I loved a couple of the VIC-20 games minigames last year, I played them like crazy. [23:35] Juan_Vald- XE1541 cable. :) Alternatively, you can try the 1581 disk drive and 1581copy. [23:35] I emailed Arma about resurrecxting it, but he didn't seem too interested, and now I can't reach him [23:35] Does 1581copy work with XP? [23:35] No. :( [23:36] The Vic-20 is a fun thing. It has been a LONG LONG time. [23:36] My favorite Vic-20 games that I had back in the day: Shamus, AE, Choplifter. Sold everything to buy my C-64. [23:36] 1581copy and a DOS Boot disk then? [23:36] Yeah, I guess. [23:37] I'll give that a try...thanks! [23:37] Robin- What did you think, generally, of my C64 demo oriented articles I've been publishing? [23:37] Yep... it is an ol' friend that may get a CF upgrade someday. [23:37] Speaking of VIC-20 games, I recently took a pic of my cart collectionm for insurance [23:37] http://home.ica.net/~leifb/commodore/vic-collection.jpg [23:37] (and bragging rights :) [23:38] Ooh. Time to burn it down and collect the proceeds. :) [23:38] nice collection schema!! [23:38] Pretty impressive. [23:38] Wow! [23:38] ..yes, very nice! [23:38] instead of burning it, have it kidnapped [23:39] ^^lol [23:39] and held for ransom. :) [23:39] I am looking forward to a 65c816 accelerator for it. [23:39] I feel like insuring my CBM stuff via homeowners insurance, but how do I document the value of these items? Ah well. [23:39] Leif: Cool, I've only got about half of that... [23:39] Todd: Like, in UCUGA? [23:39] Yeah, in UCUGA Digest. [23:39] Well, I bought 90% of them from of eBay, so I can track the "value" that way (it's a scary number :) [23:39] Eyeth: Contact a dealer that sells such things. Like my shop [23:39] I only have one more article left; The 2003 C64 Demo of the Year. [23:40] Wildstar: you're getting a C-One and a SuperCPU? [23:40] Talk to your agent first. [23:40] value could be price paid, current replacement, or collector value [23:40] Get replacement value [23:40] not what you paid [23:40] I think they're good - I'm all for opening people's eyes to the other parts of Commodore-land that they're unaware of [23:40] yeah and a 65c816 on a PCB board for the VIC-20 someday. [23:40] Collector price always [23:40] Yeah, I know. It's a starting point at least. [23:40] One item at a time. [23:40] We had our Amiga blow up because of a bad storm. Filed a cliam, and we found actual prices online and just turned that in for a replacement cost. [23:41] RobinH- Yeah, but I've received a chilly reception (not surprising, though.) from C64 demo personalities. :) [23:41] Wildstar: is a 65c816 for the Vic-20 a little overkill? [23:41] What are they complaining about? [23:41] Is it for a C64. Both are 1 MHz. [23:41] That I don't know a lot about the stuff I'm writing about. :) [23:41] * Derision (Uzzy@AC80AB1D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #c64friends [23:42] Hoi Derision [23:42] I also consider overkill my FD4000 hooked up to my VIC20 [23:42] Hello Derision [23:42] Howdy. [23:42] Howdy Derision [23:42] Snogpitch- Heh. [23:42] Eyeth: I like your DEMOS articles! [23:42] It be fun - though [23:42] Cool. [23:42] Wildstar: what do you plan to do with a 65c816 on a Vic-20? What kind of softwar? [23:42] Todd: Well, you're not writing it for people who know a lot :) [23:42] RobinH- Yep. A good point! [23:43] eyeth> There are writers and the people who make the stuff.. usually the two are not the same people.. [23:43] Juan_Vald- Thanks for liking the articles. [23:43] Those guys are every bit as ignorant as the people on the other side. [23:43] Culture clash. [23:43] Snogpitch: Storage is one thing, 65c816 CPU is another. ;) [23:43] yeah, I liked this article you did for the UCUGA Digest. Cuts right to the heart of the matter! [23:43] Stuff that can benefit with 16 bit 20 MHz processing power like video work. [23:43] have you ever tried to load a directory on a Vic20, MikeC? [23:44] And I'm pretty sick of their incessant complaining, the demo scene guys. [23:44] I try to boost performance and RAM accessibility and stuff. [23:44] Snogpitch: not since the early 80's. [23:44] MatrixMan- Very true; This is why engineering makes the products and marketing tries to write them up and they never agree. :) [23:44] Wildstar: vide work on a Vic-20? [23:44] Don't forget the listing is two lines of info [23:44] Extremely predictible. [23:44] vide ? [23:45] Wildstar: video work on a Vic-20? [23:45] Good night kind folk. See you all next Saturday night [23:45] Well, not professional but stuff like newsletter work and stuff. [23:45] niters C64er [23:45] cya C64er [23:45] Bye [23:46] later C64er [23:46] bye c64er [23:46] * C64er (~n8ie@cpe-024-033-151-250.woh.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Hey, the Internet just bite my finger!) [23:46] Video games and others. I really haven't thought about every possible software. [23:46] Wildstar: well, ok, have fun. [23:46] Jeff-20 of Denial lives in Chicago? Has he ever shown at the expo? [23:46] I hope I am not the only one that dreams up the ideas. [23:47] Wildstar: no comment... [23:47] * Schema shrugs [23:47] Well, anyway. Once the 2003 C64 Demo of the Year article is completed, I'll put all C64 demo articles into a special issue of Commodore Currents and land that bomb into the Internet. The C64 demoscene community will have plenty of ammo to draw from in their responses to the giant sized issue. :) [23:47] eyeth> I do software development for my day job.. I hate doing documentation though!! :( :( arrgh.. [23:48] but we aren't a big co, so.. [23:48] Heh. [23:48] Has anyone taken up the challege of DOOM64? [23:48] Jaun_Vald: Good question! [23:48] a better question, who would play it? [23:48] I don't know or am worried about the commercial viability of a 65c816 card for a VIC-20. [23:48] Is this something different from MOOD? [23:49] Not me. :) I think a raycaster like Wolf-3D is very possible on a SuperCPU, though. [23:49] Doom is just on an another different level as far as raycasting is concerned. [23:49] Hey, remember DOOM for SNES [23:49] What was the best version of Doom ever released? [23:50] eyeth> the source is available, but how much would easily port to the C64, even with cc65.. [23:50] What was the website that had the challenge? [23:50] BTW, Wolf3D was available on the Apple IIgs [23:51] DOOM was majorly a PC game and was graphically originated on PC color graphics. It is like asking what was the best PacMan. I found the original is the best. But I found C= was quite a good version. [23:51] I liked the Atari Jaguar version of Doom. [23:52] doom on snes needed a special chip for fast drawing though [23:52] Juan_Vald- http://www.btinternet.com/~commodorescene/csdoom64.html [23:52] and i pretty much doubt it can be done in any decent quality and speed even on a scpu...wolfenstein might be possible though [23:53] The FX chip on the SNES? [23:53] Yeah, a GPU. Ok. We have options, though. I wouldn't say for sure how well on the C-One it would be. [23:53] FX is merely a co-processor GPU. So what, hook one up to a C=. [23:53] Eyeth....Ah yes...thanks. [23:53] MatrixMan- The cc65 suite, AFAIK, can't do floating point. A raycaster requires floating point or fixed tables for math in figuring out the 3d world. [23:53] Ok it has special features so why not play with the FX. [23:53] I sure miss Starfox on the SNES! [23:54] You got an SNES ???? [23:54] eyeth> can the 64 really do floating point fast? even on a 65816? [23:54] Eyeth: err no, you can do that with fixed point very well [23:54] I did...left it behind in LA with my old roommates. [23:54] Via tables, the 65816 or 64 can do floating point really fast. :) [23:54] Some on Ebay! [23:54] (and no, there isnt floating point stuff in cc65) [23:54] groepaz- Well, from what I know, cc65 can't do floating point yet. [23:55] some roommates on ebay? [23:55] and u have 16MBs, so you should have a little space for tables! [23:55] Wildstar: I guess I could fire up an SNES emulator ;) [23:55] Snogpitch- Heh. [23:55] Well, I guess I'll call it a night, see ya all next week. [23:55] niters Mad_Kat [23:55] Eyeth: but floating piont isnt required...actually the original doom doesnt use floating point either :) [23:55] Yeah but it would be fun to have the real thing. [23:55] l8er on y'all [23:55] * Mad_Kat (nobody@206.157.148.202) has left #c64friends [23:56] groepaz- How was Doom programmed? You need some basic trigonometry in at least contstructing a raycaster. Did Doom also use fixed tables? [23:56] Gang it has been great in and out of private. But must split and get some food and beer. See you next week. [23:56] * LordRonin (~lordronin@CPE-144-137-219-34.sa.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:56] Eyeth: it uses fixed point math [23:56] cya LordROnin! [23:56] Not bad price if you look. Some with plastic yellowing but if you don't mind - it be cool to play the real thing with the actual game cartridge which helps makes things more ethically legal. [23:57] Eyeth: the quake engine was the first that used floating point (if i remember correctly) [23:57] groepaz- Ok. But, I don't think the 65816 can handle a task like Doom, anyway. I still believe it can do Wolf-3D on some level. [23:57] Wildstar: I guess...but if I was going to cough up the cash, I'd probably go for N64 and its very of Starfox. [23:57] With 16MB of tables, all sorts of things are possible. [23:57] Wildstar: ops..I mean version... [23:58] Ok, but I have an SNES coming so I can play and look over things inside. [23:58] Yep. [23:58] RobinH> Umm.. well u do need to leave some space for graphics and code..! [23:58] Heh. [23:58] still, even with integer maths, doom had the advantage of the PC processors' built in divide/multiply instructions, which aren't that slow [23:58] Eyeth: yeah agreed....wolfenstein should be possible in decent speed and quality.... doom is just a little bit to much [23:59] and the ifli screenshot on the csdoom page is a little bit far fetched too :) [23:59] But remember guys, SCPU is 20 MHz where as SNES is 2 or 4 MHz. [23:59] nomead- The 6502/65816 can cheat a little; Use base powers of 2 for quick lsr/asl instructions. :) [23:59] Our problem with C64 is in the VIC-II limitations. [00:00] Would it be hard to build a small math coprocessor that the 64 could use to do multiply/divide ops? [00:00] It would have been cool if the SuperCPU had a math coprocessor. Ah well, can't have everything. :) [00:00] Well, a Pentium 100 costs $10, you could use that and attach it (tongue in cheek) [00:00] bwhaha [00:01] The whole CSDoom64 was pretty much bashed around in the newsgroups...I don't think it's doing to happen in any meaningful way. [00:01] It would be easy but we then would have to follow the cartridge idea like SNES. [00:01] schema> i was hoping for something more cartridge-like.. ;) [00:01] or invest $10 more and get a crap pc that runs doom well enough :=P [00:01] Schema- Erm, I have a P100 taped to the side of my c128d. :) I wanted it to say, 'Intel Outside'. :) [00:02] well folks, it's time for me to call it a nite [00:02] Later, Snogpitch. [00:02] g'nite snog [00:02] cya later Snogpitch [00:02] night [00:02] later [00:02] catch y'all in a couple weeks, next week maybe if I'm still wired after the Blondie show [00:02] AlienBreed3d on Amiga 1200 - 14Mhz did okay... [00:02] Will Robert be here this time [00:02] no idea [00:03] niters all [00:03] i wonder why the hell ppl want doom anyways....why not create something original and c64ish instead? [00:03] Got to talk to him [00:03] * Disconnected End of #c64friends buffer Sun May 09 00:04:16 2004