Start of #c64friends buffer: Sun Apr 25 00:05:22 2004 [21:04] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:04] * Topic is 'ALL HAIL TO COMMODORE! We Adore Our C-64!!' [21:04] * Set by RaYzor!The_Edge@syr-24-59-208-35.twcny.rr.com on Sat Apr 24 14:06:42 [21:04] Howdy all [21:04] Snogpitch ! [21:04] Perhaps Jeri has something to tradee. [21:04] Hi, Snog. [21:05] I was on another server, and seemed to be lost in lagland [21:05] Isn't that area in Finland and/or Russia? ;-) [21:05] She should be around soon if I recall right. [21:06] Jeri is dropping by? [21:06] Based on her wanting to know when the show was earlier. [21:06] I was told she was here 5 hours earlier! [21:06] Possibly Snogpitch [21:06] Yes, she harassed me eariler [21:06] Yes she was and may be back on soon. [21:07] harassed? how? [21:07] Jeri has a non-working 116. Maybe she'll want a working one from you, Ray. * Retrieving #c64friends modes... [21:07] She always harasses me [21:07] but its fun :) [21:07] Fun harrassment! [21:07] I was going to say...as an op it's pretty easy to take care of harassers [21:08] is that a word? [21:08] No no no [21:08] she is a friend and we pick on each other [21:08] she calls me a liberal and I call her a communist [21:08] etc etc [21:08] Ah, that teasing kind of relationship. [21:08] sounds like good qualities, what's wrong with that? :) [21:08] Nothing heheh [21:09] Hey, Ray, I have a 4040 that I'm not using right now. [21:09] cool [21:09] I have a 8050 somewhere and maybe a 2040 [21:09] Here is what I am after: [21:09] Of course, who knows... one day I may want to connect it to my Commodore and/or PET. [21:10] i have a question: in star commander, what is the mode/what do i have to set to get all the disk data off of a commodore disk? [21:10] PET 2001 chicklet kb [21:10] Educator 64 [21:10] low ser # 64 [21:10] * _wreg (amiga@port2.ts02.dialup.hannover.mops.net) has joined #c64friends [21:10] Always could use another MAX machine [21:11] A group from Toledo brought a bunch of Educators to a swap meet we had at CCCC many years ago [21:11] Good question, Draco. I don't use Star Commander myself (because I use real Commodores). However, I can point you to a person who uses SC all the time. [21:11] Howdy _wreg [21:11] Hi, Wreg. [21:11] since there were trying to sell them then, hard telling if they still got them [21:11] Nice! An Educator 64! [21:12] Snogpitch : find out for me sir if you could [21:12] thanx [21:12] I don't remember their names [21:12] doh [21:12] if they are still members of the Toledo user's group, you could find them thru there [21:13] the reason why i would want to do that with star commander is because i had a bunch of flippy disks *shudder* that i want to find the d64 image equivilants online, but if i can't i would like to have an actual copy of the disk. [21:13] Toledo .. where is that [21:13] Ohio [21:13] Cursed ohio! [21:13] I've only seen Educator 64's in old C= magazines. Is there anything special about them? What about their casing? [21:13] RobertB : C64 in a pet case. pretty cool [21:13] Rayzor must not have watched M*A*S*H* [21:13] the green screen trails like mad so playing games gets u either high or motion sick [21:14] Hi [21:14] This is a msg to test for trojan spammers, please disregard and do not reply. Not replying will help protect you from a kline. [21:14] Draco, would you like the e-mail address of that SC person? [21:14] sure. [21:14] Yes, I get that everytime I log on to Newnet [21:14] How big was the green screen, Ray? [21:15] just like a PET 4032 [21:15] 12" or whatever [21:15] Hold on, Draco, I'm digging through my papers. [21:15] ya, wasn't a big screen [21:15] ok. i'll wait. [21:16] Aw, a 12-inch screen... that means you can't squeeze a 1701/2 to replace it. [21:16] the same screen / case ec as 8032, 4032, superpet etc [21:16] brb. I'm looking for stuff for Draco. [21:16] anyone ever done a hack to get a 1702 to only use the 'green gun'? [21:17] RobertB: Draco as in Amiga-clone ? [21:17] why would u wanna do that? [21:17] my Magnavox monitor has a setting for green only [21:18] RaYzor: so I don't need to also have a green monochrome monitor [21:18] Snogpitch: cool [21:18] the newer commodore monitors had that too IIRC [21:18] Don't find a need for it tho [21:18] locutus: he's finding stuff for me. [21:19] ow okay [21:21] I'm back. Darn! When you want stuff, you can't find it. [21:21] * N2HQC (~me@h0010dc219411.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #c64friends [21:21] it's ok. [21:21] Howdy N2HQC [21:21] Snog, perhaps you can help me remember the name. Who is the co-editor of Commodore Digest? [21:21] Hi, all [21:22] My Sears monitor has a green-only button, too. [21:22] * N2HQC is now known as Jack [21:22] Hi, Jack. [21:22] Co editor? [21:22] Hallo Jack [21:22] Yes, the other person along with Dale Sidebottom. [21:22] * RogerWilc (~root@chtrmb-100-114.the-beach.net) has joined #c64friends [21:23] Hi, Roger. [21:23] Is it Ralf? [21:23] hiya [21:23] Howdy RogerWilc [21:23] nope, not much of a "ralph" just a cutt-off roger wilco..... [21:23] That's it! Rolf Miller! [21:24] OK, a typo, but I was close :) [21:24] Hi Roger. Areyou Root ? [21:24] Draco, send a message to Rolf Miller at rolfmiller(at)aol.com . He knows Star Commander very well. [21:24] on this pc in a natted way raYzor... [21:24] k [21:24] thanks. [21:25] just wondering cause someone told me to IRC from root was bad once [21:25] I just saw the post in usenet, and *just* built bitchx... [21:25] yeah, if I wasnt natted, it would be bad.. [21:25] ritey [21:25] I am Windows XP myself as I hate linux [21:25] It is bad if you don't have proper passwording on your system [21:25] Telengard, I don't know how to turn off the other guns of a color monitor in order just to show green, but if RajW shows up, he can give his technical expertise. [21:25] Im on OpenBSD / Windows XP64bit.. [21:26] XP on an Athlon 64 FX or something else? [21:26] I been wanting to try that [21:26] couldn't you just change the color settings? [21:26] althlon 64... it has its moments... [21:26] Once games start coming in 64 bit I will buy [21:26] RobertB: great, I had read a usenet posting about someone doing it but they didn't describe *how* [21:26] where di u land a copy of x86 in 64 bit? u MS partner? [21:26] games in 64bit *laughs* [21:26] yeah, I got MSDN pro [21:26] there is a download for XP in 64 bit [21:26] nice [21:27] it made me all c64 nostalgic... :P [21:27] well once I ditch the ol tbird 1400, I will try it [21:27] I wonder if it runs any faster [21:27] gtg. [21:27] Was talking with a Microsoft rep at work about it [21:27] * dracosilv (~dracosilv@CPE-65-31-122-95.wi.rr.com) has left #c64friends [21:27] it's fast, but drivers are a pain.... [21:27] I went to the TS2 seminar and got free full office, and also free fulll Office SB [21:27] so that was pretty cool and my boss got the action pack [21:27] they are waiting for Intel to get to the party... I guess since Itanium died, they want to give them a chance to catch up.... [21:27] until the apps you use go to 64bit, it is kind of not needed [21:28] cool, the action pack has a bunch of stuff. [21:28] if you have the compiler though, you can roll your own [21:28] it is missing a C64 emulator tho [21:28] :( [21:28] I know.. I'll have to port vice [21:28] get to it :) [21:28] I was actually looking at the people that hookup the BBS's to the sreial port/IP thingy... [21:29] I wanted to add that functionality to VICE.. [21:29] * Teknical (me@CPE0010a7266978-CM000a73a96792.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit [21:29] I like XP SP2 so far .. its RC1 tho [21:29] that would be cool [21:29] it struck me as a cool thing in a really bad/evil retro thing. [21:29] Snogpitch: well, i dont really see what nice things a 64Bit version of Emacs or Office would bring, but okay [21:29] They said the same thing 10 years ago about the 32bit version too.. [21:29] well, with 32Bit i can understand the advantage [21:30] how about 16 from 8? [21:30] how about from 4 to 8 [21:30] but 32->64, in that case only a 64Bit aware kernel is enough in most cases [21:30] lol now tht was big! [21:30] like, if your Office suite has to have 64Bit wide adressing, then you are surely smoking something weird [21:30] very true, but then that is like windows95 days... [21:30] or win32s type thing. [21:30] okay, a Relational database which needs 64Bit wide adressing, well that sounds like a good thing [21:30] its more valuable for databases & email servers now. [21:30] It will allow sloppier code to get sloppier [21:31] Snogpitch: great [21:31] gaming in 64 bit on the new GeForce 6800 would destroy all [21:31] yep..! [21:31] RaYzor: why ? [21:31] btw, ATI is dead. Nvidia has wrecked them with this new one [21:31] <- on 64Bit platform for years btw :-) [21:31] Sun had their Ultrasparcs.. [21:31] Dec had their alphas too [21:31] even SGI has a 64bit cpu... [21:31] i'm IRC'ing from a Alpha atm [21:31] the Itanium is a turkey though. [21:31] SGI has MIPS R4400 and up as 64Bit CPU's [21:32] sigh, I miss my alpha... [21:32] * locutus pats his Alpha and burns his fingers [21:32] It fried the day they removed NT support.... [21:32] it was sooo... weird.. [21:32] lol no kidding! my multia would run @ 150+F! [21:33] Multia's are joke's [21:33] try a real Alpha machine dude ;-) [21:33] I have one @ work now.. [21:33] the CPU in the Multia is a single-scalar scaled down EV4 [21:33] with a onboard PCI bus iirc [21:33] but I use it more for 64bit verification [21:33] dissapates something like 60 Watt's iirc [21:34] full blown Alpha's are more in the 115Watt range [21:34] my 1400 disappates 73 watts. You should hear this thing, the fan is 9000 RPM [21:34] definaing roar? [21:34] like a jet spining up [21:34] horrible cooling sollution [21:34] all I got [21:34] DEC machines often have great cooling sollutions [21:34] I ain't about to go o2 [21:34] err [21:34] h2o [21:35] just stick a badassed heatsink ON the CPU core (screwed down onto the heatspreader itself) [21:35] lol [21:35] yes liquid oxygen [21:35] and stick a large 220VAC fan in front of it in a LOW RPM setting [21:35] owyeah, and take a package type like a LGA which can take some heat [21:35] there is no heat spreader on Athlon 1400 [21:35] sounds like too much work... [21:35] Its a very fragile ceramic [21:36] or maybe its me in my older dayze... Id probably be doing something crazy a few years ago... [21:36] tthis summer, when prices are sane, its upgrade to Athlon FX + Nvidia 6800 [21:36] http://locutus.is.een.kinderlokker.nl/Plaatjes/Troep/Malebolge_binnen.jpg [21:36] I just want more ram... Im not a big fan of paging [21:36] inside the beige plastic covering is a 220VAC fan [21:37] with the duct blowing air straight over the CPU board [21:37] (and yes, that HDD on the ground has been removed) [21:38] I hope that HD is old... [21:38] that HD is ancient [21:38] its label was turning brown, and I hope not from the heat! [21:38] it's a 141MB 4200RPM IBM disk [21:38] I have told certain clients of mine that I will make them use Commodore 64's for their word processing if they don't stop using spyware ridden programs [21:38] lol, that'll teach them :) [21:38] yeah no kidding! [21:38] RogerWilc: it only contains my /boot/ partition and bootloader tough [21:39] nothing wrong with that locutus! [21:39] slow DASD beats a netboot anyday! [21:39] Interesting conversation. Athlon. [21:39] well, after that it mounted it's root disk from a PIO0 IDE controller [21:39] the horror [21:39] lol [21:40] sounds like a top of the line A1200 [21:40] bwaahaha [21:40] maybe a gig NFS mount..... [21:40] got it running from a full SCSI setup now :-) [21:40] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [21:40] /dev/sdb1 19G 17G 393M 98% / [21:40] tmpfs 62M 0 62M 0% /dev/shm [21:40] /dev/sdb2 37G 35G 377M 99% /mnt [21:40] //hecate/usenet 9.8G 9.0G 825M 92% /smb/usenet [21:40] //hecate/c 64G 57G 6.5G 90% /smb/c [21:41] although the last 'neat' box I got was an 8 way Pentium Pro box... [21:41] slow, but it paralles like crazy [21:41] i'm still pondering about buying Hoild\ENC's 486MP box [21:41] iirc a 16Way 486 machine [21:41] * antares51 (~rick@ip68-13-148-49.om.om.cox.net) has joined #c64friends [21:41] hi antares51 [21:41] Id almost say go for it.. but check the voltage requiments 1st.... [21:42] Howdy antares51 [21:42] Hi, Rick E. [21:42] aye [21:42] 3 Fase power would be a bit hard to get :-) [21:42] I was a little miffed to find mine being a 220V type computer... [21:42] wow :-) [21:42] the old DEC people used to do something to retrofit those to single phase.... [21:43] Lets hear some C128D mod stories [21:43] a lot of the mid/high end DEC machines can simply run of Singlefase [21:43] or better yet .. what happened to Nate / Vanessa 128 Tower ? [21:43] Thanks for the greeting. [21:43] like AS4100's 2100a's, VAX4000's etc. [21:44] I once mounted my c64 in a pc case for some odd reason...... [21:44] I got the info on joining your conference from usenet. [21:44] My most modded C128D has front switches to turn off the internal drive, to turn off JiffyDOS, and to change the internal drive from 8 to 11. [21:44] I modded my 128D with a fan [21:44] I modified an Apple II into a pile of scrap [21:44] same with many TRS 80 coco machines [21:44] i still would like a AppleIIgs [21:45] Ray, I haven't heard much of Nate/Vanessa in years. [21:45] I have one of those [21:45] I always wanted a TRS80 mod III for some reason.... [21:45] The I II III were cool [21:45] the coco machines were ungood [21:45] pretty hard to get around here tough :-( [21:45] something about 8' floppies & Xenix... :D [21:45] I don't remember seeing Vanessa last fall, but I did see Vanessa the year before that in the Fall Expo of 2002 [21:45] Well, welcome, Rick E.. If you need questions answered, fire away. [21:45] I have both a Model I trigged out and a Model 4. [21:46] o someone un the netherlands has one on sale, for 195 Euro's [21:46] Anyone want a ZX81 ? [21:46] really? [21:46] Id kill for a x68000 though... [21:46] Really, how easy is it to fit a C=64 into an AT case? [21:46] I had a convertable case, and it was pretty easy actually [21:46] I have an old Tandy 1100FD, but the hard drive doesn't work. [21:46] RogerWilc: oohhhh :-) [21:47] locutus.. Ive tried pleading with some Japanese, but they wont let go.. sigh. [21:47] think I'll have to fly over & do some kind of challenge... :) [21:48] I have multiple 64's and spare cases. I figured the keyboard would be the worst problem. [21:48] I made an extender for it... [21:48] RogerWilc: 'challenge' as in kill the bastard who owns it ? [21:48] not exactly the best mod, but it wokred.. [21:48] locutus, yep! [21:48] RogerWilc: better watch out he doesn't bring along his wakazichi [21:49] they are so attached to those things... [21:49] How 'bout fitting the 1541 drives inside? [21:49] Hey, no violence! How about a competition with the Japanese a la "Extreme Elimination" on the Spike Channel. [21:49] antares, that was hard... although some huge standoffs let me put the board above the c64 mother board... [21:49] the old AT flip cases were huge though.. youcould fit your brother in one.. ;) [21:50] Robert, as long as it doesnt involve Marvel vs Capcom I'll be good...! [21:50] I had an old Kaypro 286 case. [21:50] There was the tricked-out A1200 which was put in a SX-64 case. [21:51] didnt they used to sell riser cards for the 1200, to give it zorro III slots? [21:51] I just fried my A1200HD. Tried reinserting the keyboard cable. SOB! [21:51] I think so, Roger. [21:51] sigh... I just use UAE & my cdtv now... [21:52] I freaked out a bunch of Amiga users showing the Amiga bounce demo on my SX64 :) [21:52] Ick! Was that a plain A1200HD or did it have lots of goodies? [21:52] lol [21:52] Just plain. [21:52] snog, that woul dhave gotten them 4 sure! [21:52] It also had problems with bad chip ram. [21:53] Oh, the pain is easier to take since it was a plain A1200HD. :-) [21:53] a1200's *ugh* [21:53] Im almost surprised nobody hasnt made the commodore chipsets on their own yet.... [21:53] Bad chip ram? In the A1200? [21:53] demo actually looked good, too :) [21:53] Yep! [21:53] Glitched the screen badly with expansion ram. [21:54] RogerWilc: like implementing AGA in a FPGA ? [21:54] Did you replace the A1200 (or the motherboard, at least)? [21:54] Removed the expansion and half the chip ram went with it. [21:54] locutus yeah... or even the old chips... angus et al.. [21:54] dfsl;khsdf [21:54] although from what I hear the SID would be hard.. but Im not much of a hardware guy. [21:54] Yow, Rick E.! Sounds as bad as when my A4000 got fried! [21:55] Rayzor cat got your board? [21:55] I had an A3000 that would turn itself off a lot [21:55] Cats around here are evil [21:55] lol [21:55] Still have the big foot power supply, external floppy drives and HDD. [21:55] glad mine is sleeping.... [21:55] Roger, Jeri has said that she has a spot-on SID emulation running from FPGA. [21:55] I always wanted a 3000t, but I heard they are finikey... [21:56] REally robbert!!? [21:56] Yes, Roger. [21:56] I had a 3000T ... ser # 0000007 ... it weighed more than a person [21:56] spacious but terrible drive layout [21:56] custom rails, adding to the insanity [21:56] We had a member in the Amiga Group Enthusiasts of Fresno who had a 3000T. What a tank! [21:57] robert, guess it was bound to happen sooner or later.. plus those chips are like super hard to find [21:57] although my 2000 is flake o ramma.... I think its the Miami power... its prior owner didnt belive in UPS's.... [21:57] Nah, Roger. Just go dumpster-diving for C64s, like Jeri does. :-) [21:57] At least my eight bit Commodores all work great! [21:57] How many you want Roger? [21:58] I've seen more dead 264 series commodore machines than I've drank beers [21:58] 64s? I'll take 3.... [21:58] Roger, do you live in Miami? [21:58] 3000t's? one would be fab. [21:58] check out http://www.geocities.com/c64-128-amiga/ [21:58] rob, yep! [21:58] look at the for sale listings, lots of 64s there to purchase [21:59] Oh-oh, Jeri hates Miami. :-) [21:59] I don't think I heard the "hate Miami" story... [21:59] it has its moments.. or do you mean that psycho stack for the amiga? [22:00] Nah, I mean the city. [22:00] hi guys im back [22:00] 'cause despise would be more appropiate... [22:00] wb [22:00] Oh, despise! :-) [22:00] Hi, KilrPilr. [22:00] I live on SouthBeach.. its nicer hear.. the rest of the city can fall in the swamp for all I care... :P [22:00] ihave an 8250 dual drive in the original box with manual for trade? [22:01] hi robert [22:01] did jeri make it? [22:01] Oh, now that you explain your area, maybe that's acceptable. Jeri lived in N. Miami for a year... year and a half... and despised it. [22:02] Hear that, Ray? KilrPilr has a 8250. [22:02] eeewww.. I *hate* north Miami.. [22:02] everyone is like 5 zillion years old, and the traffic... [22:02] hmm [22:02] 8250 is neat [22:02] in box with inst [22:02] wow rob, what a list! [22:02] :) [22:03] Since I have never been to Miami, what else is wrong? [22:03] OMG they even have Okimate 10's! the S*L*O*W*E*S*T printer int he universe! [22:03] Is it possible to take two 1541 drives and create a double drive? [22:03] Nah, I have an Okimate 20 that can give it a run for the money. [22:03] rob, the hummidity, the corruption & the bad drivers... thats Miam in a nutshell [22:04] I dono.. I can remmeber waiting 12 hours for a report to print on one of those... it was so freaking unbearable... like the 1660! [22:04] You mean put two 1541 drives in one case, Rick E.? [22:04] Not exactly. More like a 1572 unit. [22:05] * KilrPilr (KilrPilr@h24-70-66-74.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:05] apparently RogerWilc hasn't used a 1525? [22:05] I've never seen a 1572, though I have an MSD SD-2 with drives 0 and 1. [22:05] I dont think so.. [22:05] * KilrPilr (KilrPilr@h24-70-66-74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [22:05] wb [22:05] Hi, Kilr. [22:06] I can vaugly remember PET's in elementry school ... with the chicklet keypads.. & tape.. [22:06] 1525 is slower than the Okimate, and does not have decenders [22:06] * KilrPilr (KilrPilr@h24-70-66-74.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:06] * KilrPilr (KilrPilr@h24-70-66-74.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #c64friends [22:06] slower? at that point, I'll break out a selectric... [22:06] I have an Okimate 20. It's really S L O W! [22:06] although the 10's were semi portable... [22:07] (Into the trash!) [22:07] right, I think I could out type a 1525, I can do 90 wpm when I get fingers in gear [22:07] i love okimate 10 [22:07] anyone own a Commodore CDTV interface? [22:07] KilrPilr: yeah, awesome printer [22:07] which interface? [22:07] I have a CDTV.. but an interface? [22:07] that's what this catalog says [22:07] * Darchon (~darchon@adsl-64-219-61-34.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) Quit (Quit: BitchX FTP Site -- ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/network/chat/irc) [22:07] Nah, the Okimate 20 can print out color graphics... and it's faster with a SuperCPU. [22:07] I just got a bunch of CBM catalogs in the mail that I won on eBay [22:08] * gamemaste (~xy3951@plns-216-222-254-73-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) has joined #c64friends [22:08] oops, it says interactive not interface [22:08] like a sidecar type thing? [22:08] * darchon (~darchon@adsl-64-219-61-34.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) has joined #c64friends [22:08] Hi, ***. [22:08] I have an issue of Popular Mechanics with PET 2001 on cover [22:08] hi all [22:08] Hi, Darchon. [22:08] wow now that is old [22:08] tg> yes an so quiet! [22:08] Howdy gamemaste [22:08] Sorry, Telengard, no CDTV interface here. [22:09] hi [22:09] hi snog [22:09]