Session Start: Sat Apr 17 21:04:05 2004 Session Ident: #c64friends [21:01] * Now talking in #c64friends [21:01] Howdy all [21:01] Wow, on here 0.6 seconds and someone's called my BBS already [21:01] Hi, Snog. [21:01] not like ricks idea in comp.sys.cbm? [21:02] hey rbernardo, you will know this... [21:02] schema> im leo [21:02] * Snogpitch changes topic to 'We Adore Our C-64!!' [21:02] is jeri lesbian? Rumour has it... [21:02] lol [21:02] Excuse me (while I change). [21:02] * rbernardo is now known as RobertB [21:02] Kilr: Ah. Did Tom get ahold of you yet? [21:02] yes he did [21:03] Robert are you aka RobertB on Lemon64 as well? [21:03] <<<--- loves his 64! [21:03] and he is sposed to get back to me soon [21:03] thanks alot [21:03] for your help [21:03] robert answer me [21:03] Nope, I'm Robert Bernardo, [21:03] To Plastered: well, I might work that out somewhat but I will simply leave that to my site and email can be sent to me at rickbalkins @ wavestarinteractive.com [21:03] tok [21:04] KilrPilr <<<--- loves his c128 with ide64 [21:04] * Chas (chhouck@216.139.104.168) has joined #c64friends [21:04] i've been playing multiplayer online and keep pressing TTT [21:04] oops [21:04] Howdy Chas [21:04] Hi, Chas. [21:04] Hello Snog! [21:04] Hi Chas [21:04] i do that once in awhile to [21:04] tsee [21:04] doh [21:04] Hello Robert! [21:04] ryup [21:04] Hello ALL!! [21:04] we r jumping! :-D [21:05] It is very busy tonight. [21:05] Hallo all. [21:05] I didn't know anyone would be here yet. [21:05] which is great [21:05] It started early. [21:05] 9.00am here [21:05] How early did things start? [21:05] I just read the post on comp.sys.cbm about 10 mins ago and came over [21:05] wildstar was here first [21:05] i think [21:05] I'm in California... not 9 a.m. here. [21:06] robert> you sure travel alot. What are your plans for this year [21:06] I was watching Andromeda, so I wouldn't have came in early since it wasn't a rerun [21:06] is in Perth WA [21:06] I'm most likely going to the Vintage Computer Festival East (Boston) in July. [21:06] 4:37 pm Pacific coast (US time). [21:06] im in bc canada [21:07] Ah, Beautiful British Columbia. [21:07] * Russell (N_A@159-134-106-130.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) has joined #c64friends [21:07] it sure is [21:07] maybe a few minutes earlier. [21:07] summer is on the way [21:07] Howdy Russell [21:07] Whereabouts in B.C.? [21:07] Hi all! [21:07] prince george [21:07] what do you do 4 a living? [21:07] It's been in the 80s here for the past couple days [21:07] HI, Russell. [21:07] retro huh [21:08] Robert, save some bucks for trips to Toronto, there's some stuff being planned (still vague) [21:08] Yes, Snog, same here, much too warm for this time of year (central north MO) [21:08] Prince George, hmmm... I've been to Victoria, Vancouver, and one more place. [21:08] pg is way north [21:08] like 8 hours from vancouver [21:08] * Plastered (Plastered_@203.46.242.30) Quit [21:08] ooops, we lost Plastered [21:08] Yow! 8 hours north! [21:09] yup [21:09] Toronto... not in the budget. :-) [21:09] not much commodore action nea buy :( [21:09] near [21:09] snogpitch> I remember you from GEnie [21:09] but i got the thrifts to myself haha [21:09] There's TPUG in Toronto. [21:09] Yw [21:09] Yep, that was me [21:10] It was about 10 years ago [21:10] Yes, Nelse... a Genie chatterer you were. [21:10] well i have to go for a bit guys [21:10] the wife is taking me to dinner [21:10] Seems somewhat familiar...same time huh? [21:10] hopefully youll be here when i get back [21:10] same day... [21:10] I'll be here for another 3 hours. [21:12] So who is connecting with a real Commodore? What's your setup? [21:12] take care KilrPilr. Must follow her command. :-) [21:12] I'm on-line with my Commodore. [21:12] You are ALWAYS on line woth your Commodore, Robert! [21:13] with [21:13] Details...? [21:13] hehehe [21:13] Aw, Chas, not always! :-) [21:13] brb......... [21:14] C128DCR, Zoom Model 2949L external modem... [21:14] Until I can connect my C= to my Cablemodem/Ethernet router setup. [21:14] what do you use on the Commodore to connect with? [21:14] Turbo232 cartridge, RAMLink with 16 megs... [21:14] I will not be able to use it for internet. [21:15] -ChanServ- Sorry, no help available for ChanServ greet. [21:15] running Desterm 2.01... [21:15] I can connect to my Linux via The wave [21:15] do you have a shell account? [21:15] connecting to my shell account. [21:15] Here at Iglou.com [21:16] ahhhhhh, ok. [21:16] I have one of the Cabletron hubs which I find may be interesting to connect through but I have to mount this to the ethernet network. [21:16] I usually connect to Linux and then to the cable [21:16] * Eyeth (~eyethian@fl-nked-ubr2-c6c-223.miamfl.adelphia.net) has joined #c64friends [21:16] Howdy Eyeth [21:17] me back (had to put clothes in dryer) [21:17] Hello, all. [21:17] One day, Rick and Nelse, I will go faster with a cablemodem et al set-up, but that costs extra money a month. [21:17] Hi, Todd! [21:17] So far I don't have a cablemodem, but I get tempted each and every day [21:18] Get an RR-Net and an 802.11 wireless adaptor, and use your neighbor's net connection for free :-) [21:18] I used to use AOL, but the cable without an additional phone line is cheaper [21:18] My Cabletron has a special port called the "modem" port. Anyone familiar with Cabletron MRXI-24 hubs. [21:18] Not me, Rick. [21:18] I know Rob. [21:19] O.K., I put it somewhere... where is that comic strip that mentions Commodore? [21:19] I am working with the specs and it tells me something about VT302 or something like that. [21:20] VT102, Rick? [21:20] RobertB> LOL which one? [21:20] some routers also have modems built in as well [21:20] There was a hilarious reference to the C64 in Futurama [21:20] Leif, it was in the Beetle Bailey comic strip. [21:20] 6502 in the brain? [21:20] Yeah, there were a couple in Futurama. I've bought Vol. 1 & 2 of the Futurama DVD's. Is Vol. 3 worth it? [21:21] And I missed that episode of Futurama. [21:21] ya, I saw that Beetle Bailey strip [21:21] lol, yes, plus Bender's "ancestor", Commodore LX1V [21:21] You did, too, Snog?! [21:21] No, the next level up - actually VT320. [21:21] Yep, they were talking about old computers [21:21] Cool. I don't subscribe to a newspaper, except for a Sunday edition. Hate to miss out gems like the Beetle Bailey blurb. [21:22] last frame they looked at the General [21:22] Futurama C64 screenshots: http://www.lemon64.com/?mainurl=http://www.lemon64.com/games/list.php?lineoffset=66&name=I [21:22] I was thinking of announcing the Beetle Bailey/Commodore connection to the world today... and to look out for its posting on the Web. [21:22] Looked at my PDF file. For the most part - one can use VT102 as VT320 is backward compatible. [21:22] oops, can't link to lemon like that :-( [21:23] The comics are archived in 2 weeks. [21:23] VT102 should work for the most part. [21:23] http://212.73.32.211/hosting/claudiosanchez/some/frame01.jpg [21:23] Then everyone would be able to download the Beetle Bailey/Commodore strip. [21:23] http://212.73.32.211/hosting/claudiosanchez/some/frame02.jpg [21:24] http://212.73.32.211/hosting/claudiosanchez/some/frame03.jpg [21:24] http://pohli.homeip.net/forumzeug/sweethome.jpg [21:24] Ok, that's it :-) [21:24] schema> NICE! :D [21:25] Wow, Leif, you are making them available very quickly! [21:25] * Watson_ (Watson@c-67-173-41-43.client.comcast.net) has joined #c64friends [21:25] * Watson_ pokes his head in [21:25] Hi, Dave. [21:25] lol, I'm just finding the references from the original Lemon64 thread [21:25] hey Robert! [21:25] Hello, Dave. [21:25] schema> the 2nd to last is very cool.. but the last take the cake!!!!! :-D [21:25] Howdy Watson_ [21:26] We're talking about Commodore in comics and on t.v.. [21:26] ahh [21:26] So I take it you saw the porno one? [21:26] Huh!!! [21:26] anyone listen to melodicrock.com ? [21:26] watson? not here [21:26] No, Bryan... what is it? [21:27] if u like 80s music.. it is bands who r making *NEW* music like they r in the 80s [21:27] There was some...erm...very low-budget adult film someone posted pics from. Guy holding a magnifying glass up to a monitor with a 64C on the desk. [21:27] slightly OT.. [21:27] MatrixMan: Sounds cool! [21:28] 80s music... well, I'll have to listen to it to believe it. [21:28] http://girls.c64.org [21:28] i am listening 2 it right now.. so nice [21:28] Ah, the girls.c64.org site. [21:28] robert, watson.. > please let me know what u think of it [21:29] The one site an avid Commodore enthusiasts conveniently forgets to mention to his significant other. :) [21:29] Can't see it right now... I'm single-tasking with my Commodore. [21:29] it's so silly - I can't help but laugh. Anyway, they need a screen capture of whatever watson's describing [21:29] ROFLOL! [21:29] Very true, Todd. [21:30] trying to find it [21:30] Eyeth> Nah, my wife and I played Samantha Fox Poker on the c64 once - she found it very amusing :) [21:30] I've heard from everyone here except... [21:30] Heh. [21:30] schema> !!! :) [21:30] Hey, Snog, what/who is ChanServ? [21:30] brb [21:30] can't remember how many hours I spent playing Samantha Fox Poker :) [21:31] here we go: http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12013&start=30 [21:31] Chanserv is our online monitor [21:31] ^^^ Be warned..not work-safe, etc. [21:31] That game is how I mearned about renaming files :-) [21:31] Robert- if you post in comp.sys.cbm about #c64friends chatting about the seamy side of our Commodore hobby, you could triple the amount of visitors here. :) [21:31] Online monitor... what is that? [21:31] it makes sure I get op'd when I pop in the room [21:31] Todd, I would *never* do that! ;-) Would I? [21:32] plus alot of other things I've yet to explore [21:32] Ah, interesting to know, Snog. [21:32] Heh. [21:32] Did you notice I have the ops and so does Wildstar? [21:32] I didn't notice, Snog. [21:32] Watsomn - Ahahahahaha at the camel censorong box [21:32] Hmmm.... [21:32] *censoring [21:33] Wildstar didn't op me, even tho he apparently was first in here [21:33] Watson, are you on schedule for release of your PSX-to-Commodore adaptors? [21:33] I didn't do anything and am not abusing anything. [21:34] I hit a minor setback, but nothing I can't handle. I should be ok. [21:34] I'm curious, becuse I'm ready to buy the SMS 3-D adaptor and glasses for my Vectrex. [21:34] never said you abused anything Wildstar, just mentioned that you had ops before I got here [21:34] Ok, np. [21:34] still have ops, too [21:35] yeah, I noticed that but didn't bother. [21:35] * RajW (~rajw@68.184.83.64) has joined #c64friends [21:35] # Appears as ANNA [21:35] Hey peeps! [21:35] what's up, Raj? [21:35] I have one 3-D program for the Commodore, but even with the funny glasses, I don't see the 3-D. [21:36] Hello, Raj. [21:36] Howdy RajW [21:36] Hi, Raj. [21:36] Not much///”” [21:36] Hallo Raj. [21:36] I1m on my c64. :] [21:36] the 1581 is still going strong... [21:36] Good for you, Raj! [21:36] good to ye””... fudge... del will not work/ [21:37] Raj, Rob - what IRC software are you using on your shell accounts? [21:37] good to hear Nelsie! [21:37] What do you guys think about Maurice's recent postings regarding SuperCPU emulation? [21:37] BitcX [21:37] Clean underneath that key, Raj! [21:37] must have your delete key set for the wrong control code [21:37] no no.. the key works.. just the del function does not work. [21:37] yeah.. i know. :] [21:37] Leif, to find out, I'd have to drop out of the chat. [21:38] I find it to be interesting. [21:38] What about SuperCPU emulation? [21:38] Raj, does ctrl-H work? [21:38] Well, if the VICE team cn code a SuperCPU emulation, more power to them. [21:38] ahh... yes! ty Schema! [21:39] RobertB, what did you type at the shell prompt to get into IRC? [21:39] Chas- Maurice apparently doesn't mind if WinVICE has SuperCPU emulation; However, the VICE team seems to be less interested in putting one in. :( [21:39] Okay. [21:39] I have a more-than sign. [21:39] brb.. the eight char is doing scroll up... lol! [21:39] * RajW (~rajw@68.184.83.64) Quit (Client Quit) [21:40] Maybe, we should all email them - asking for a SuperCPU emulation. [21:40] Aw, VICE people not interested... oh, well. [21:40] Nah; Andreas Boose said that someone has gotta do it. The VICE team simply isn't interested. [21:40] I called Maurice add ordered a SuperCPU64 and he said it would be 8 weeks before it would be ready (around May 1st) [21:41] May is closer than 8 weeks? [21:41] I also ordered a Smart Mouse and was told it would be 2 to 4 weeks on it (been 5 weeks ago) [21:41] Hey, Todd, I told everyone at our C= club meeting today that your Geopublish 1.1 is top secret. They all laughed and smiled. [21:42] Ok, then we will have to come up with an group effort to work on a standard SCPU update then. [21:42] Chas, that makes me wonder where my order is in the pipeline. Time to contact Maurice. [21:42] I mean SCPU update to VICE. [21:42] He also said mine would be the last Smart Mouse he could build for a while as it was the last controller chip he had. [21:42] Heh. Thanks for spreading the goodwill about geoPublish to your users group. [21:42] it would be nice if the SCPU update would work as a simple cartridge plugin [21:43] * RajW (~rajw@68-184-83-64.cpe.ga.charter.com) has joined #c64friends [21:43] I have one wacky SmartMouse... perhaps he can pull the chip from mine to build another one for me. [21:43] Howdy RajW [21:43] What's wrong w/ your SmartMouse? [21:43] Raj, are you connecting through a shell account? What IRC client? [21:43] That would be the only way (assuming the chip is good) [21:43] ahh.. much better.. [21:44] Dick Estel, our club treasurer and GEOS expert, is quite interested in the Geopublish upgrade. [21:44] Schema.. yes. I'm using BitchX as my IRC client. [21:44] Yeah, like RR-NET and other stuff and this would have to function to VICE's VM like the SCPU to the real C= hardware. [21:44] Cool. [21:44] I thought Dick Estel kinda kicked in the GEOS bucket. [21:44] Man, I'm lost! A geoPUBLISH upgrade? Tell me more! [21:44] I'm using Novaterm 9.6c on the C64 running on my RAMLink. [21:45] SmartMouse does not respond to any ball movement, and if it does respond, then it is extremely jittery. [21:45] I'll talk with them and see if it would help to win them over to the idea since it would ultimately lead to something official. [21:45] Robert> you have of course, cleaned the rollers? [21:45] I am archiving this chat session. [21:45] I'm archiving as well [21:45] This C64 is also heavily heatsinked... :] [21:45] Todd, Dick Estel may have his C= set-up stored away, but he still likes to here of GEOS. [21:45] So I have something to work with later. [21:45] Hmmm. Ok. I had some problems w/ my SmartMouse; It would take long mouse movements just to move the mouse onscreen. Turned out the wire going into the mouse got 'bent' or something. Maurice fixed that one, thankfully. [21:45] Probably RobertB is also [21:46] cool [21:46] So.. am I the only C64 on-line? [21:46] Yes, the rollers are clean. [21:46] Robert is on a C64 [21:46] cool. [21:46] No, Raj... I have my C128D on-line. [21:46] still a C= [21:46] I *might* be momentarily, if I can get an irc client onto my Linux box [21:47] * TMR{C0S} (~tmr@spc1-leed5-5-0-cust18.leed.broadband.ntl.com) has joined #c64friends [21:47] Chas- I'm working on a geoPublish upgrade. I will demo it officially at the Louisville Spring Commodore EXPO 2004 in the last weekend of May. [21:47] Ohh.. so I am the only *real* C64 on-line. haha [21:47] * TMR{C0S} wanders in... [21:47] Hallo TMR [21:47] All right, Leif! [21:47] Mornin'. [21:47] Hello, Jason. [21:47] * TMR{C0S} waves at Eyeth. =-) [21:47] Hey, we have a visitor from England... Jason! [21:47] Robert> email me with upgrade features some time, please. [21:47] Good Evening. [21:47] 'Lo Robert. =-) [21:48] Howdy TMR{C0S} [21:48] ch*****@***.*** [21:48] Schema: I posted some quick instructions on how to connect the c64 to a Linux box a few weeks ago. [21:48] As soon as Todd releases the specs, Chas. [21:48] * TMR{C0S} points out in advance that if i say anthing that doesn't make sense it's 2:47am here... =-) [21:48] Thanks for the warning :) [21:48] hehehe [21:48] Raj: Oh, I can do that easily enough. It's the IRC client part. [21:48] np, TMR [21:48] so in an hour from now you will make more sense? [21:48] 9:48 here in Philly [21:48] Poor (and crazy) Jason! ;-) [21:48] Aha, I have centericq - apparently is has IRC support as well. [21:49] Schema: Just d/l BitchX and compile it. It's easy. [21:49] Nelse- Where in Philly? [21:49] I know never to bother my English friends at this hour. :-) [21:49] Oh, and any comments about gay sex were meant for #c-64 on IRCNet - i'm co-servering here... [21:49] Conshohocken [21:49] so we have a go-between :) [21:49] Cool. I used to live in Roxborough for one year... In 1970. :) I was wearing diapers then. [21:50] TMR{C0S}- Thankfully, you've missed our recent chat about girls.c64.org. And no, it will not be brought up again. :) [21:50] I work with a few people from Roxborough [21:50] Yes, Raj sent thos C64 to Linux instruction to the Homestead mailing list... right? [21:50] it'll be in the transcripts for later viewing tho :) [21:50] yes. [21:51] Where are the transcripts, Snog? [21:51] Eyeth: i think four of the images on that site are pulled from my demos...? =-) [21:51] I recently added Hayes Emulation to my BBS Server program - soI can "telnet" to my Linux box from my C64 [21:51] http://www.geocities.com/c64friends/ [21:51] Thanks, Snog. [21:51] But I didn't cover the IRC stuff. [21:51] C64 -> Batteries Included RS-232 Interface -> 486 running Win98 and BBS Server -> Linux [21:51] sheesh! :-) [21:52] However, the transcripts only cover the time when you arrive until the time you leave, right, Snog? [21:52] * Russell (N_A@159-134-106-130.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) Quit [21:52] C64 -> Turbo232 -> RedHat9 server [21:52] so, you have 3 computers in that link? [21:52] did I read that right? [21:53] C64, 486, and a Linux machine? [21:53] we lost Russell :( [21:53] Jason- Any CS Doom 64 news through any demo grapevine? [21:54] Yes - it's a bit extreme [21:54] Yes... without so much as good-bye (sniff)! ;-) [21:54] Oh well :/ [21:54] But the C64 and 486 are in my workshop in the basement, Linux box is in my server closet. [21:54] Robert- Did you get your CS 2004 edition yet? [21:54] This C64 repair hobby of mine is starting to help my collection... I have an 82 year old lady sending me three C64's as payment for repairing two of her other systems. [21:54] Eyeth: nope, but that's hardly unexpected - when the posts appeared on comp.sys.cbm i did a quick and dirty "survey" of the people with the appropriate skills and none of them have the kit required. [21:54] I'm actually on my Win2K machine now. Yes, too many computers here. [21:55] Well, I've studied the raycasting tutorial at http://www.permadi.com/tutorial/raycast/ and it does look doable on a SuperCPU. [21:55] What's the kit ? [21:55] Todd, I think the best way to telephone Allan Bairstow or Shaun Bebbington directly and find out the latest info. [21:55] Doom isn't a ray caster if memory serves? [21:55] But, just not Doom. But, a Wolf3D clone is possible. [21:55] * Schema64 (~Leif@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:56] Howdy Schema64 [21:56] Todd, do you mean the last CS magazine of a month or two ago? [21:56] Robert- Nah. Just wondering if you've got it or not. Still waiting. I'm patient. :) [21:56] lol that's just me trying to get on with the 64 [21:56] Wolf3D could be done in theory, although not as an IFLI... [21:56] looks like ya did [21:56] looks like it worked. [21:56] Yes, Leif! [21:56] CS 2004... I've already got all 6 issues of CS 2003. [21:56] * TMR{C0S} isn't entirely sure where Allan got that idea from?! [21:56] test [21:56] Schema> I know what you mean. I have two PCs and the 128 connected together. The PC downstairs has a removable HD. [21:57] One has Linux, the other XP [21:57] TMR, what kit do they need ? [21:57] Did Allan give you a new binder, Todd? [21:57] Wildstar- TMR is referring the Kit as 'SuperCPU unit'. [21:57] Wildstar: a SuperCPU, most demo coders work on stock machines and down own them. [21:57] For 2004, not yet. [21:57] Plus, I have another C64 in the server closet for running my BBS (plug: 209.151.141.59, call now!!) and a VIC20 in the recroom for games [21:58] Some are quite vocal about not working with the SCPU, in fact. [21:58] * Schema64 (~Leif@209.151.141.59) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:58] I'm going to be replacing all of my servers in the basement with Mini ATX systems... they draw much less power. ;] [21:58] Not yet, Todd. I will have to ask Allan about my 2004 issues. [21:58] brb, running downstairs [21:58] Oh, Ok. I plan to get one someday - as soon as the pipeline get smaller. [21:58] Anyway, from what I reckon, a SuperCPU can handle a raycaster in FLI mode and rely on tables and double buffering for smooth execution. [21:58] www.c64.us is currently running on a Compaq Proliant ML 370. [21:58] brb [21:58] Actually, when I get the money. [21:59] How do you double buffer...? Can the SCPU get at the RAM under the video chip without banking it out...? [21:59] * Schema64 (~Leif@209.151.141.59) has joined #c64friends [21:59] Robert- Ok. I'll be patient. I'm sure the 2004 binders and 2004 CS issues will arrive in due time. [21:59] test [21:59] I'm back. [22:00] Raj> I'll have to add your site to the start file of The Wave [22:00] * TMR{C0S} scratches his head - well, i s'pose DFLI is possible but it's going to leave a lot of redundant cycles... [22:00] OK, I'm on from the C64. @ 2400 baud. screen not updating quite right though [22:00] TMR- Erm, I mean, the raycaster will compute rays onto a virtual screen in SuperRAM. Then at the right time (border area, for instance), a dedicated screen copy routine fetches the virtual screen to the VIC screen. [22:00] Yes, 2400 baud... what I use with the C128 at the parents' house! [22:01] Nelsie... heh.. that'd be cool... but a word of caution.. my ISP has been troublesome lately. [22:01] LOL, getting error: transmit buffer full [22:01] That would work well with my 128, which has been acting up lately... [22:01] Is that error from the Commodore? [22:01] Schema: I'm using my RAMLink as a buffer. [22:02] Anyway, I may look into this; Creating a simple raycaster certainly seems to be an interesting challenge for me. I hope to undertake it in 2005. :) [22:02] Oh, so only one display buffer and hammering the CPU to shunt the next frame in during the borders... [22:02] Another project for Todd! [22:02] I am on a totally vanilla C64. [22:02] * TMR{C0S} looks at his work files over assorted formats and doesn't say anything about ongoing projects... =-) [22:02] oh. Do yo have a REU you can use? [22:03] TMR- I understand ya; However, rendering a virtual screen in SuperRAM is helluva lot faster than putting the same thing to CBM's host memory for 'double buffering'. [22:04] Ok guys... I'm off back to Game Land... Planetside calls! [22:04] Well, i was assuming that the two buffers would be swapped over, $4000 - $7f3f and $c000 to $ff3f and the data copy could happen during the screen... assuming it's possible to write under VIC-II when transferring from the SuperRAM. [22:04] hehehe [22:04] Later, RajW. [22:04] * TMR{C0S} only has a little experience of REU code and none of the SCPU... [22:04] niters RajW [22:04]